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New to <a href="/wiki/Commons:Internet_Relay_Chat" title="Commons:Internet Relay Chat">IRC</a>? <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#wikimedia-commons">Click here to be connected instantly!</a></li> <li>Go to the <a href="/wiki/Commons:Help_desk" title="Commons:Help desk">Commons Help Desk</a>.</li></ul> </div> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;template riddled with &lt;translate&gt;&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;template riddled with &lt;translate&gt;&quot;}--><h2 id="template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;" data-mw-thread-id="h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"><span id="template_riddled_with_.3Ctranslate.3E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"></span>template riddled with &lt;translate><span data-mw-comment-end="h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: template riddled with &lt;translate&gt;"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;template riddled with &lt;translate&gt;&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;template riddled with &lt;translate&gt;&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>"></span>If you look at this template on various pages, it's full of translate garbage! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Palosirkka&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Palosirkka (page does not exist)">Palosirkka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Palosirkka" title="User talk:Palosirkka"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z","author":"Palosirkka","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate&gt;","replies":["c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z-template_riddled_with_&lt;translate>"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"></span>Thats normal. Please use it on pages that have or can have translations via <a href="/wiki/Template:TNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:TNT"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{TNT}}</span></a> (just change {{ to {{TNT|) and just add /en on pages where its not necessary to have translations e.g. on user pages. I doing it but its quite long to do. --<a href="/wiki/User:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BaseSat">BaseSat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BaseSat"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z","author":"BaseSat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z-Palosirkka-2013-05-24T04:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps you should ask a bot to do so, when you convert a template; or you could use autotranslate maybe? --<a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","author":"Nemo bis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemo"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-BaseSat-2013-05-24T04:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ата-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span>Looks like done -- <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0" title="User:Ата"><span style="color:SteelBlue">Ата</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0" title="User talk:Ата"><span style="color:#80A0FF">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Ата-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ата-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z","author":"\u0410\u0442\u0430","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ата-2013-05-24T22:30:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span>i think autotranslate for navbox is bad idea. On pages that have defined language like translation pages should be placed a template in the same language as the page is in. Autotranslate is good to be used in templates on multilingual pages like forums, noticeboards, talk pages, request pages etc. where it should be like addition to the interface so should have the same language as the interface has rather than page content language. --<a href="/wiki/User:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BaseSat">BaseSat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BaseSat"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:50:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Links_localisation-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Links_localisation-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span>Links localisation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Links_localisation-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Links localisation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Links_localisation-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z","timestamp":"2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Links_localisation-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Links localisation&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Links localisation&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation"></span>This doesn't quite seem the right way to do it: {{Localized link|Commons:General disclaimer|&lt;translate>General disclaimer&lt;/translate>}} would make more sense than &lt;translate>{{Localized link|Commons:General disclaimer|General disclaimer}}&lt;/translate> IMHO. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","author":"Nemo bis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation","replies":["c-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemo"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z-Links_localisation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span>It's rather useful for a translator to see that this part of text goes with a link on a page, isn't it? -- <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0" title="User:Ата"><span style="color:SteelBlue">Ата</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0" title="User talk:Ата"><span style="color:#80A0FF">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z","author":"\u0410\u0442\u0430","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T07:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z"></span>I don't see why. If that's your purpose, by the way, using Special:MyLanguage/... directly would make more sense. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Nemo bis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-\u0410\u0442\u0430-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nemo"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z-Ата-2013-05-24T09:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z"></span>sense is in using redirect ll that is shorter but this name is holded here by another template. If we capture it then long "localized link" will be changed to short "ll". :) til that a template should be used to find then where to do change. Also it's common to use ll from meta, wd and other projects with the extension. Experienced translators know what it is, unexperienced ones should read template's doc when they see template that they dont know inside a unit. --<a href="/wiki/User:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BaseSat">BaseSat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BaseSat" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BaseSat"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z","author":"BaseSat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BaseSat-2013-05-24T22:42:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2013-05-24T22:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Replace {{Localized link}} with {{Pg}}&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Replace {{Localized link}} with {{Pg}}&quot;}--><h2 id="Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"><span id="Replace_.7B.7BLocalized_link.7D.7D_with_.7B.7BPg.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"></span>Replace <a href="/wiki/Template:Localized_link" title="Template:Localized link"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Localized link}}</span></a> with <a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section: Replace {{Localized link}} with {{Pg}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z","timestamp":"2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Replace {{Localized link}} with {{Pg}}&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Replace {{Localized link}} with {{Pg}}&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}"></span>If nobody objects, I propose to replace <a href="/wiki/Template:Localized_link" title="Template:Localized link"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Localized link}}</span></a> with <a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a> throughout. The difference is: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:Localized_link" title="Template:Localized link"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Localized link}}</span></a> links to a target language version in the user's preferred language, if available, or else falls back on English</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a> links to a target language version in the current page language, then falls back in turn to the user's preferred language or finally to English.</li></ul> <p>With a lot of languages there are translated versions of many Commons pages, but only the section headings have actually been translated. In effect, most of the content is in English. A Ukrainian-speaking user may understand Russian but not English. If they are reading a Russian version of a page and click on a link in this template, </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Template:Localized_link" title="Template:Localized link"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Localized link}}</span></a> would take them to a (mostly English) Ukrainian translation if present, or failing that to the English version</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a> would take them to a Russian version if present, then to the (mostly English) Ukrainian translation if present, and as a last resort to the English version.</li></ul> <p>Bottom line is that with <a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a> users will tend to keep seeing pages in the language they have chosen to read, even if that is not their preferred language, until they choose to change languages. They will not keep being dragged back to English. Comments? <a href="/wiki/User:Aymatth2" title="User:Aymatth2">Aymatth2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aymatth2" title="User talk:Aymatth2"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z","author":"Aymatth2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}","replies":["c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z-Replace_{{Localized_link}}_with_{{Pg}}"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"></span>Since there were no objections, I have implemented the change. If you select a well-support language, but not your preferred language, you can now click around between versions of the different pages in that language using the template. The current page will be bolded in the template. <a href="/wiki/User:Aymatth2" title="User:Aymatth2">Aymatth2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aymatth2" title="User talk:Aymatth2"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Aymatth2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aymatth2-2019-05-17T18:11:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2019-05-08T17:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-W-20240122072800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Commons:Picasa Web Albums files&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Commons:Picasa Web Albums files&quot;}--><h2 id="Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800"></span><a href="/wiki/Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files" title="Commons:Picasa Web Albums files">Commons:Picasa Web Albums files</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Commons:Picasa Web Albums files"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-W-20240122072800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800","replies":["c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800","timestamp":"20241011114900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-W-20240122072800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files-20240122072800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Commons:Picasa Web Albums files&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Commons:Picasa Web Albums files&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files"></span>Hi, dear Wikimedians! How are you? I started translating this page into Belaruisan in Classical orthography (<a href="/wiki/Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files/be-tarask" title="Commons:Picasa Web Albums files/be-tarask">Commons:Picasa Web Albums files/be-tarask</a>). But that image sharing web service had been discontinued in 2016. Is there a need for that licencing help page in this template then, almost 8 years later? Best wishes,--<a href="/wiki/User:W" title="User:W">W</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:W" title="User talk:W"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:28, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240122072800","author":"W","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files","replies":["c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-W-20240122072800-Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:W" title="User:W">W</a>: </span>, <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b><bdi>Done</bdi></b> I removed the link to <a href="/wiki/Commons:Picasa_Web_Albums_files" title="Commons:Picasa Web Albums files">Commons:Picasa Web Albums files</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jarekt" title="User:Jarekt">Jarekt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarekt" title="User talk:Jarekt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines#c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011114900","author":"Jarekt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarekt-20241011114900-W-20240122072800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jarekt-20241006202700&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jarekt-20241006202700-147_expensive_parser_functions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;147 expensive parser functions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;147 expensive parser functions&quot;}--><h2 id="147_expensive_parser_functions" data-mw-thread-id="h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700"></span>147 expensive parser functions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Commons_policies_and_guidelines&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: 147 expensive parser functions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jarekt-20241006202700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700","replies":["c-Jarekt-20241006202700-147_expensive_parser_functions"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jarekt-20241011114900-Jarekt-20241006202700","timestamp":"20241011114900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jarekt-20241006202700&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-147_expensive_parser_functions-20241006202700&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jarekt-20241006202700-147_expensive_parser_functions&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;147 expensive parser functions&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;147 expensive parser functions&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarekt-20241006202700-147_expensive_parser_functions"></span>This template in the current format adds between 71 and 147 expensive parser functions calls to any page that uses it and causing lua errors for the pages like <a href="/wiki/Commons:Threshold_of_originality/be-tarask" title="Commons:Threshold of originality/be-tarask">Commons:Threshold of originality/be-tarask</a> and <a href="/wiki/Commons:Threshold_of_originality/pt-br" title="Commons:Threshold of originality/pt-br">Commons:Threshold of originality/pt-br</a>. I n order to fix tis issue I am planning on replacing calls to <a href="/wiki/Template:Pg" title="Template:Pg"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;">{{Pg}}</span></a> template with <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage" title="Special:MyLanguage">Special:MyLanguage</a> calls. 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