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Civility encompasses other related ideas (<a href="/wiki/Tolerance" title="Tolerance">tolerance</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor" title="Hanlon's razor">assuming good faith</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Golden_Rule" title="Golden Rule">Golden Rule</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/Social_contract" title="Social contract">social contract</a>), and different people and institutions have given detailed explanations with some variations. </p><p>A 2019 poll by the Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service at Georgetown University found that 87% of <a href="/wiki/American" class="mw-redirect" title="American">American</a> voters thought that "compromise and common ground should be the goal for <a href="/wiki/Political" class="mw-redirect" title="Political">political</a> leaders" and that 88% were concerned about "uncivil and rude behavior of many politicians".<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup> </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Definitions"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Definitions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#In_politics"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">In politics</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#In_discourse"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">In discourse</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Ad_hominem"><span class="tocnumber">3.1</span> <span class="toctext"><i>Ad hominem</i></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-5"><a href="#Insincerity"><span class="tocnumber">3.2</span> <span class="toctext">Insincerity</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#On_RationalWiki"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">On RationalWiki</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#On_Wikipedia"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">On Wikipedia</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Against_civility"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Against civility</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Deconstruction"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Deconstruction</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Domains"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Domains</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#See_also"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">See also</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#References"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">References</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Definitions">Definitions</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Definitions">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>The Institute for Civility in Government has defined the term as:<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3">[3]</a></sup> </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Civility is about more than just politeness, although politeness is a necessary first step. It is about disagreeing without disrespect, seeking common ground as a starting point for dialogue about differences, listening past one's preconceptions, and teaching others to do the same. Civility is the hard work of staying present even with those with whom we have deep-rooted and fierce disagreements. It is political in the sense that it is a necessary prerequisite for civic action. But it is political, too, in the sense that it is about negotiating interpersonal power such that everyone's voice is heard, and nobody's is ignored.</div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>Civil Politics has defined the term as:<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4">[4]</a></sup> </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Civility as we pursue it is the ability to disagree productively with others, respecting their sincerity and decency. By civility we do NOT mean agreement. We think citizens are well served when political parties represent different viewpoints and then compete vigorously to recruit voters to their side.</div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>Civility, then, can be viewed as one means for a group of people with different viewpoints to work towards a common goal. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="In_politics">In politics</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: In politics">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>The <a href="/wiki/Political_philosopher" class="mw-redirect" title="Political philosopher">political philosopher</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" class="extiw" title="wp:John Rawls" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: John Rawls">John Rawls</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (1921–2002) wrote extensively on the theory of justice as fairness.<sup id="cite_ref-wenar_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-wenar-5">[5]</a></sup> He described the concept of the "duty of civility" as referring "to the set of moral requirements that are associated with [the] idea of public reason and its corresponding view of liberal-democratic political legitimacy."<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6">[6]</a></sup> The concept of "public reason", in turn, is "the shared form of reasoning that the citizens of a pluralist democratic society should use when deciding constitutional essentials and questions of basic justice."<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7">[7]</a></sup> Or, somewhat less obtusely:<sup id="cite_ref-wenar_5-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-wenar-5">[5]</a></sup> </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Citizens engaged in certain political activities have a duty of civility to be able to justify their decisions on fundamental political issues by reference only to public values and public standards.</div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>In other words, citizens — as well as <a href="/wiki/Government" title="Government">government</a> officials, for they are also citizens — should not make core public decisions unless they are justified by broadly held values. To do otherwise reduces the legitimacy of the <a href="/wiki/Democracy" title="Democracy">democracy</a>. For example, in a democracy where there is no <a href="/wiki/State_religion" title="State religion">state religion</a> (or better yet, where there is <a href="/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state" title="Separation of church and state">separation of church and state</a>), government officials should not make decisions that are based upon their own personal religion. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="In_discourse">In discourse</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: In discourse">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Ad_hominem"><i>Ad hominem</i></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Ad hominem">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <div role="note" class="hatnote">See the main article on this topic: <a href="/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem" title="Argumentum ad hominem">Argumentum ad hominem</a></div> <p><i>Ad hominem</i> <a href="/wiki/Argument" title="Argument">arguments</a> are types of <a href="/wiki/Informal_fallacy" title="Informal fallacy">informal logical fallacies</a> in which the opponent is attacked rather than the opponent's argument. <i>Ad hominem</i> arguments are often hurtful, or at least intended to be hurtful. Because these arguments do not address the opponent's argument, they are never intended to advance discussion. </p><p><i>Ad hominem</i> arguments are generally considered to include name calling or slurs (abusive <i>ad hominem</i>),<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8">[8]</a></sup> <a href="/wiki/Appeal_to_motive" class="mw-redirect" title="Appeal to motive">appeal to motive</a> (circumstantial <i>ad hominem</i>),<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9">[9]</a></sup> the <a href="/wiki/Association_fallacy" title="Association fallacy">association fallacy</a> (guilt by association <i>ad hominem</i>),<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10">[10]</a></sup> <i><a href="/wiki/Tu_quoque" title="Tu quoque">tu quoque</a></i> (personal inconsistency or perceived <a href="/wiki/Hypocrisy" title="Hypocrisy">hypocrisy</a>),<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11">[11]</a></sup> and <a href="/wiki/Poisoning_the_well" title="Poisoning the well">poisoning the well</a> (smear tactics).<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12">[12]</a></sup> </p><p>Two types of abusive <i>ad hominem</i> apply specifically to <a href="/wiki/Transgender" title="Transgender">transgender</a> people: <a href="/wiki/Transphobia#Misgendering_and_deadnaming" title="Transphobia">misgendering and deadnaming</a>. Misgendering is intentionally referring to someone by a pronoun or gendered given name that is not their choice. Deadnaming is referring to someone by their pre-transition name, when they have not explicitly given permission to do so. </p><p>Tone arguments are another type of <i>ad hominem</i>, relying on <a href="/wiki/Style_over_substance" title="Style over substance">style over substance</a>. Tone arguments can have an implicit personal attack within them, for example if they refer to '<a href="/wiki/Hysteria" title="Hysteria">hysteria</a>' or 'shrillness'. Tone arguments include the subtypes <a href="/wiki/Tone_argument#Appeal_to_MLK" title="Tone argument">appeal to MLK</a> and <a href="/wiki/Kafkatrapping" class="mw-redirect" title="Kafkatrapping">Kafkatrapping</a>. </p><p>Related types of arguments include <i><a href="/wiki/Ad_iram" title="Ad iram">ad iram</a></i> (appeal to anger), <i><a href="/wiki/Appeal_to_hate" title="Appeal to hate">appeal to hate</a></i>, and <a href="/wiki/Inflammatory_language" title="Inflammatory language">inflammatory language</a> (which can be illegal if it can be proven that it incited a crime). </p> <h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Insincerity">Insincerity</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Insincerity">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h3> <p>Insincerity is uncivil because it is intentionally lying about or hiding one's true motives. Insincere tactics can span several levels of argumentation, including non-fallacious arguments. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Intellectual_honesty" title="Intellectual honesty">Intellectual honesty</a> vs. <a href="/wiki/Intellectual_dishonesty" class="mw-redirect" title="Intellectual dishonesty">intellectual dishonesty</a> does not fall neatly in the <a href="/wiki/Hierarchy_of_disagreement" title="Hierarchy of disagreement">hierarchy of disagreement</a>'s divisions. Intellectual honesty in and of itself is civil, while intellectual dishonesty is uncivil because it is insincere. One may be wrong while maintaining intellectual honesty, but intellectual honesty requires that one accepts when one is demonstrably wrong, that one does not intentionally make misrepresentations, and that one does not intentionally use logical fallacies. </p><p>Specific types of insincere behavior include the following: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Denialism" title="Denialism">Denialism</a>, which involves refusal to accept historic or scientific <a href="/wiki/Evidence" title="Evidence">evidence</a>. When <a href="/wiki/Conflict_of_interest" title="Conflict of interest">financial gain is involved</a>, it can involve <a href="/wiki/Coverup" title="Coverup">coverups</a> of the fact that the denialist party actually knew of the evidence from the beginning (e.g., <a href="/wiki/Tobacco_smoking" title="Tobacco smoking">tobacco smoking</a> and <a href="/wiki/Global_warming" class="mw-redirect" title="Global warming">global warming</a>).</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Just_asking_questions" title="Just asking questions">Just asking questions</a> — making wild accusation in the form of questions, sometimes <a href="/wiki/Loaded_question" title="Loaded question">loaded questions</a>, while attempting to shift the burden of proof to the other party and calling to question the responses received from the questions. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Sealioning" class="mw-redirect" title="Sealioning">Sealioning</a> — asking endless polite questions (again, often loaded questions) in an attempt to stifle discussion, especially when questions are responded to with hostility.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Gish_Gallop" title="Gish Gallop">Gish Gallop</a> — making a flood of weak and fallacious debating arguments in an attempt to make it impossible for the opponent to answer them all within the allotted time</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Troll" class="mw-redirect" title="Troll">Trolling</a> — disruptive behavior that includes combinations of deliberately angering people, trying to lure people into saying things that might appear stupid, name calling, pretending to be ignorant, claiming to have won <a href="/wiki/Debate" title="Debate">debates</a> despite poor performance, and attention grabbing <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Concern_troll" title="Concern troll">Concern trolling</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Strawman" class="mw-redirect" title="Strawman">Strawman</a> — misrepresenting arguments that tests patience for people, making them repeatedly reiterate their points.</li></ul> <p>These actions can overlap. Sealioning and just asking questions do overlap with general concern trolling, as those two tactics usually involve the troll disguising <a href="/wiki/Bad_faith" title="Bad faith">bad faith</a> questions and arguments under the pretense of civility and then trying to derail the discussion into accusations of being uncivil. </p><p>One should not feel obliged to engage with people who are acting in a demonstrably insincere manner beyond the point of pointing out their insincerity. This is because people who are insincere will be <a href="/wiki/Willful_ignorance" title="Willful ignorance">oblivious</a> to counter-argument and are likely to dismiss out of hand any evidence or logical arguments put before them. One must be careful about accusing those who disagree as being intellectually dishonest, however, as it can unnecessarily obfuscate points being made while also clouding one's judgement when they start assuming all points are invalid. Clear communication, observation including knowing prior behavior, and patience is still key to determining if the disagreeing party is making an argument in good faith or not. For instance, a <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Trump</a> supporter asking what Trump has done wrong may come off as dishonest "just asking questions" due to the apparently inexplicable display of obtuseness, but one must consider that <a href="/wiki/Useful_idiot" title="Useful idiot">some</a> <a href="/wiki/Fun:Sucker" title="Fun:Sucker">people</a> are <a href="/wiki/Credulity" title="Credulity">genuinely thoroughly misled</a> by certain media (such as <a href="/wiki/Fox_News" title="Fox News">Fox News</a>) and do not follow political affairs. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="On_RationalWiki">On RationalWiki</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: On RationalWiki">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div role="note" class="hatnote">This section is intended to be descriptive, not prescriptive.</div> <p>Although <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki" title="RationalWiki">RationalWiki</a> has at times seemed uncivil, there are long-standing aspects of civility within RationalWiki: </p> <ul><li>Democratic election of moderators, who are tasked with, among other things, trying to keep discourse civil</li> <li>The description of what constitutes <a href="/wiki/Help:Etiquette" title="Help:Etiquette">editing etiquette in the help section</a></li> <li>Some of the reasons for blocking people that are used to control uncivil behavior: <ul><li>Short term ("mindless generic vandalism", "blanking page content", "edit warring")</li> <li>Medium term ("excessively offensive comments", "excessively trolling talk pages")</li> <li>Long term ("unacceptable username", "serious harassment", "<a href="/wiki/Doxxing" class="mw-redirect" title="Doxxing">doxxing</a>", (in practice) accounts made in bad faith (including ban evasion))</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Community_Standards" title="RationalWiki:Community Standards">Community Standards</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="On_Wikipedia">On Wikipedia</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: On Wikipedia">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:167px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png/165px-Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="165" height="157" class="thumbimage" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png/248px-Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png/330px-Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900" /></a> <div class="thumbcaption"><div class="magnify"><a href="/wiki/File:Civility_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="internal" title="Enlarge"></a></div>Wikipedia civility barnstar</div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a> has a detailed code of behavior on civility,<sup id="cite_ref-wikipedia_13-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-wikipedia-13">[13]</a></sup> and well as one on harassment.<sup id="cite_ref-14" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-14">[14]</a></sup> Some of the key points in the Wikipedia code of civility are outlined:<sup id="cite_ref-wikipedia_13-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-wikipedia-13">[13]</a></sup> </p> <div class="div-col columns column-count column-count-2" style="-moz-column-count: 2; -webkit-column-count: 2; column-count: 2;"> <ul><li>Expectation of cooperation</li> <li>Explain edits that might be perceived as uncivil</li> <li>Avoid name calling</li> <li>Avoid condescension</li> <li>Use <a href="/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view" title="Neutral point of view">neutral language</a> and avoid snide remarks (<a href="/wiki/Snark" class="mw-redirect" title="Snark">Snark</a>)</li> <li>No personal attacks or harassment</li> <li>Lying is uncivil behavior</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Quote_mining" title="Quote mining">Quote mining</a> other editors is uncivil behavior</li> <li>Assume good faith (<a href="/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor" title="Hanlon's razor">Hanlon's razor</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Threat" title="Threat">Threats</a> of violence, suicide threats, legal threats, and <a href="/wiki/Hate_speech" title="Hate speech">hate speech</a> should immediately be reported to administrators</li></ul></div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Against_civility">Against civility</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Against civility">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>Some groups of people or organizations, by their repeated tactics such as trolling, are inherently opposed to civility (e.g., <a href="/wiki/4chan" title="4chan">4chan</a>, <a href="/wiki/8chan" title="8chan">8chan</a>, <i><a href="/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer" title="The Daily Stormer">The Daily Stormer</a></i>, <a href="/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica" title="Encyclopædia Dramatica">Encyclopædia Dramatica</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kiwi_Farms" title="Kiwi Farms">Kiwi Farms</a>). </p><p>It is unusual for an organization to actually explicitly oppose civility, but <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapo_Trap_House" class="extiw" title="wp:Chapo Trap House" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: Chapo Trap House">Chapo Trap House</span></a><sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> (CTH), a popular political podcast representative of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dirtbag_left" class="extiw" title="wp:dirtbag left" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#477979 !important;" title="Wikipedia: dirtbag left">dirtbag left</span></a>,<sup><img alt="" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/18px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/24px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></sup> is one such organization.<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-15">[15]</a></sup> CTH co-host Amber A'Lee Frost (who coined the term "dirtbag left" in 2016) wrote:<sup id="cite_ref-frost_16-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-frost-16">[16]</a></sup> </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Vulgarity is the rejection of the norms of civilized discourse; to be vulgar is to flout the set of implicit conventions that create our social decorum. The vulgar person uses swears and shouts where reasoned discourse is called for.</div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>and:<sup id="cite_ref-frost_16-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-frost-16">[16]</a></sup> </p> <table style="margin: auto; border-collapse:collapse; border-style:none; background-color:transparent;" class="cquote"> <tbody><tr> <td><div style="padding:4px 50px;position:relative;"><span style="position:absolute;left:10px;top:-6px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">“</span><span style="position:absolute;right:10px;bottom:-20px;z-index:1;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;font-weight:bold;color:#B2B7F2;font-size:36px">”</span>Civility is destructive because it perpetuates falsehoods, while vulgarity can keep us honest.</div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>There seems to be however a misunderstanding about vulgarity among CTH, as it is not inherently uncivil. Directing vulgarity at one's compatriot or the person with whom one is debating in good faith could be uncivil, but directing vulgarity against a mutual enemy is not uncivil. For example, <a href="/wiki/Pseudoscience" title="Pseudoscience">pseudoscience</a> is contrary to <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Mission" title="RationalWiki:Mission">RationalWiki's mission</a>, so calling someone who is clearly a pseudoscientist a 'dangerous dunderhead' is not uncivil within the context of the wiki. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Deconstruction">Deconstruction</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Deconstruction">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>Here are some examples that will hopefully elucidate the differences between <i>ad hominem</i> attacks, vulgarity, civility, and when a statement might further discussion. </p> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Statement</th> <th><i>Ad hominem</i>?</th> <th>Vulgar?</th> <th>Civil?</th> <th>Conducive to discussion? </th></tr> <tr> <td>"You're a fuckhead."</td> <td>Yes: name-calling</td> <td>Yes: swear word</td> <td>No</td> <td>No </td></tr> <tr> <td>"You're a fuckhead because you've repeatedly used fallacious arguments despite being called out on it."</td> <td>Yes, in part</td> <td>Yes: swear word</td> <td>Mainly in RationalWiki (but otherwise, one needs not be traditionally civil to the intellectually dishonest)</td> <td>Yes: it attempts to close the argument by pointing out <a href="/wiki/Willful_ignorance" title="Willful ignorance">willful ignorance</a> by the opponent. </td></tr> <tr> <td>"You're a dimwit."</td> <td>Yes: name-calling</td> <td>No</td> <td>No</td> <td>No </td></tr> <tr> <td>"Your idea is shitty."</td> <td>No</td> <td>Yes</td> <td>Mainly in RationalWiki</td> <td>No: there's no explanation </td></tr> <tr> <td>"Your idea is shitty because…"</td> <td>No</td> <td>Yes</td> <td>Mainly in RationalWiki</td> <td>Yes, if the explanation is valid or plausible </td></tr> <tr> <td>"Your idea is terrible."</td> <td>No</td> <td>No</td> <td>Yes</td> <td>No: there's no explanation </td></tr> <tr> <td>"Your idea is terrible because…"</td> <td>No</td> <td>No</td> <td>Yes</td> <td>Yes, if the explanation is valid or plausible </td></tr> <tr> <td>"<a href="/wiki/Mike_Adams" class="mw-redirect" title="Mike Adams">Mike Adams</a> is a dangerous, greedy scumbucket because he profits from promoting pseudoscience."</td> <td>Yes, in part ('scumbucket')</td> <td>Yes: 'scumbucket'</td> <td>Mainly in RationalWiki</td> <td>Yes </td></tr></tbody></table> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Domains">Domains</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Domains">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <p>As the various examples above illustrate, civility is not an absolute. In particular, it is relative to the domain in which one resides or in which one is having discourse. </p> <ul><li>Constitutional democracies: should uphold the <a href="/wiki/Constitution" title="Constitution">constitution</a> and obey laws that are constitutional</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Theocracies" class="mw-redirect" title="Theocracies">Theocracies</a>: must not commit <a href="/wiki/Blasphemy" title="Blasphemy">blasphemy</a> and should not antagonize the <a href="/wiki/State_religion" title="State religion">state religion</a></li> <li>RationalWiki: should support <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Mission" title="RationalWiki:Mission">RationalWiki's mission</a></li></ul> <p>That being said, there is at times a place for incivility in the form of non-violent <a href="/wiki/Civil_disobedience" title="Civil disobedience">civil disobedience</a>, which can be a useful strategy for fighting governmental injustice that is nonetheless legal. </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: See also">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Argument" title="Argument">Argument</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Debate" title="Debate">Debate</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Tone_argument" title="Tone argument">Tone argument</a></li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Civility&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: References">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; font-size:80%;"> <div class="mw-references-wrap mw-references-columns"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://politics.georgetown.edu/press-releases/civility-press-release-oct-2019/">New Poll: Voters Find Political Divisions So Bad, Believe U.S. Is Two-Thirds Of The Way To "Edge Of A Civil War"</a> (October 23, 2019) <i>Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://politics.georgetown.edu/october-2019-civility-poll-2/">October 2019 Civility Poll: A national poll of registered voters gauging opinion on the state of civility in our national political conversation.</a> <i>Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.instituteforcivility.org/who-we-are/what-is-civility/">What is Civility?</a> <i>The Institute for Civility in Government</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.civilpolitics.org/home/">What is Civility?</a> <i>Civil Politics</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-wenar-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">↑ <sup><a href="#cite_ref-wenar_5-0">5.0</a></sup> <sup><a href="#cite_ref-wenar_5-1">5.1</a></sup></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/">John Rawls</a> by Leif Wenar (First published Tue Mar 25, 2008; substantive revision Mon Jan 9, 2017) <i>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-rawls-lexicon/duty-of-civility/0965C181A4081195D9A990CF94416FB9">63 — Duty of civility</a> by James Boettcher (2014) In <i>The Cambridge Rawls Lexicon</i>, edited by Jon Mandle & David A. Reidy. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521192943. pp. 229-233.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-7">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-rawls-lexicon/public-reason/483B6E1822805D890360AEAE0B8F35ED">172 — Public reason</a> by Blain Neufeld (2014) In <i>The Cambridge Rawls Lexicon</i>, edited by Jon Mandle & David A. Reidy. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521192943. pp. 666-672.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-8">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Abusive">Ad Hominem (Abusive)</a> <i>Logically Fallacious</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-9">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Circumstantial">Ad Hominem (Circumstantial)</a> <i>Logically Fallacious</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-10">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association">Ad Hominem (Guilt by Association)</a> <i>Logically Fallacious</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-11"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-11">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Tu-quoque">Ad Hominem (Tu quoque)</a> <i>Logically Fallacious</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-12"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-12">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Poisoning-the-Well">Poisoning the Well</a> <i>Logically Fallacious</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-wikipedia-13"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">↑ <sup><a href="#cite_ref-wikipedia_13-0">13.0</a></sup> <sup><a href="#cite_ref-wikipedia_13-1">13.1</a></sup></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility">Civility</a> <i>Wikipedia</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-14"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-14">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding">Harassment</a> <i>Wikipedia</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-15"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-15">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/what-will-become-of-the-dirtbag-left">What Will Become of the Dirtbag Left? The gleeful vulgarians of "Chapo Trap House" fight for irony in the age of Trump.</a> by Jia Tolentino (November 18, 2016) <i>The New Yorker</i>.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-frost-16"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">↑ <sup><a href="#cite_ref-frost_16-0">16.0</a></sup> <sup><a href="#cite_ref-frost_16-1">16.1</a></sup></span> <span class="reference-text"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/05/the-necessity-of-political-vulgarity">The Necessity of Political Vulgarity: To deny the importance of vulgarity is to reject the revolutionary tradition…</a> by Amber A'Lee Frost (August 25, 2016) <i>Current Affairs</i>.</span> </li> </ol></div></div>    </div></div><div class="printfooter">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Civility&oldid=2705569">https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Civility&oldid=2705569</a>"</div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" 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