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id="toc-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>Can we update incubator to include features + tools beta.wv currently has?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.2</span> <span>What is slowed down by having many small incubators</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li 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class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">From Meta, a Wikimedia project coordination wiki</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"><div class="subpages">< <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects" title="Proposals for closing projects">Proposals for closing projects</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-thread-id="h--2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h--2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"></span></span><dl><dd><dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"></span>This is a new, cleaner version of <a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator" title="Proposals for closing projects/Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator"><b>the previous proposal</b></a> (closed on procedural grounds), per comments by <a href="/wiki/User:SPQRobin" title="User:SPQRobin">SPQRobin</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Lsanabria" title="User:Lsanabria">Lsanabria</a>, and others.</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="border:1px solid silver; margin:.3em; padding:.5em .8em; background-color:#FFE4E1;"> <p><span style="font-size:110%;">This is a <a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects" title="Proposals for closing projects">proposal for closing and/or deleting</a> a wiki hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is subject to the current <a href="/wiki/Closing_projects_policy" title="Closing projects policy">closing projects policy</a>.</span> </p> <hr/> <p><span style="font-size:110%;">The proposal is <b>rejected</b> and the project will be kept open.</span> </p> <ul><li>A Language Committee member provided the following comment: <div style="margin-left:2em; font-style:italic;"><br/></div></li></ul> <p>LangCom discussed this on its private mailing list. This request is rejected for two reasons: </p> <ul><li><b>The discussion below does not seem to show a clear consensus recommendation one way or the other.</b> In particular, members of the Beta Wikiversity community seem (on the whole) to oppose the proposal, while the consensus of those not directly involved in Beta seems to support the proposal. While LangCom probably <i>could</i> decide to merge the projects even in the face of opposition from the Beta community, it is not something LangCom really wants to do if it does not have to.</li> <li>There is a proposal now to modify the whole WMF incubation process. The main proposal is on <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165585" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T165585">phabricator</a>. It has been discussed, among other places, on LangCom's public mailing list (threads <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2018-July/002156.html">here</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2018-August/002191.html">here</a>), and <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Community_Portal#bigreform" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Community Portal">on Incubator</a>, which discussion was also announced <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Babel#Proposal_to_modify_incubation_processes_within_the_WMF_world" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity:Babel">on Beta</a>. Right now, this is just a proposal; it's not close to ready to implement. Still, LangCom in general–and <a href="/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" title="User:MF-Warburg">MF-Warburg</a> and I in particular (since we'll have the work burden)—do not see any point merging Beta into Incubator when Incubator itself may be drastically reimagined in the mid-term future.</li></ul> <p>For the record, should there ever be a "version 3" of this proposal, I want to emphasize that with respect to <u>consensus</u>, this is closed as <u>no consensus</u>, not as "consensus to reject". That said, LangCom is establishing the following criteria, one of which must be fulfilled before a "version 3" will be entertained: </p> <ul><li>The Beta community itself makes the request, stating that it wants the merger; <i>and/or</i></li> <li>One year has passed from today, <u>and</u> the new incubation process is settled and running properly (or has been rejected definitively). (If, one year from today, the new incubation process is underway but not really settled yet, we'd still want to wait until that is complete.)</li></ul> A "version 3" not meeting either of these criteria will be speedy-deleted as invalid. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-08-16T20:19:00.000Z"></span></div> <hr/> <ul><li><i>Type:</i> 2 (non-routine proposal)</li> <li><i>Proposed outcome:</i> Merge into Incubator</li> <li><i>Proposed action regarding the content:</i> Merge Beta Wikiversity into the <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Incubator" title="Wikimedia Incubator">Wikimedia Incubator</a> and Meta for general discussion, expand the Incubator to include beta.wv features.</li> <li><i>Notice on the project:</i> <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Babel#Updated_discussion_about_merging_with_Incubator" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity:Babel">Updated discussion about merging with Incubator</a>, <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/en:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Newer_proposal_to_merge_Beta_Wikiversity_into_Incubator" class="extiw" title="v:en:Wikiversity:Colloquium">notified English Wikiversity</a>, <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Two_proposals_under_discussion_at_Meta-wiki_(need_translation)" class="extiw" title="v:de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">German Wikiversity</a>, <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/it:Wikiversit%C3%A0:Bar#m:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2" class="extiw" title="v:it:Wikiversità:Bar">Italian Wikiversity</a>, <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Community_Portal#Re-proposal_to_merge_Beta_Wikiversity_into_Incubator" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Community Portal">Wikimedia Incubator</a></li> <li><i>Informed Group(s):</i> <i>(Which <a href="/wiki/Chapters_per_Wikimedia_language" title="Chapters per Wikimedia language">chapters</a>, wiki projects, and other community groups have been informed, if any.)</i></li></ul> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived" style="background-color: #f5f3ef; overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa"> <dl><dd><i>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:#FF0000"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i></dd></dl> <div style="border:1px solid #ddd; padding:1px 2px 1px 8px; margin-left:4px;background:white;"> <p><b>Proposal</b>: Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator, incorporating good ideas + discussion spaces from beta.wv into Incubator. Specifically: </p> <ul><li>Create a landing page for Wikiversity on Incubator: with non-incubation discussions from beta.wv as subpages. <small>(Each sister project would benefit from this.)</small></li> <li>Migrate the ~500 local <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Images_by_copyright_status">images</a> from beta.wv to Commons. <small>There are no fair use claims, no recent media uploads.</small></li> <li>Improve RC and search on incubator so people can view/search only WV projects. Similar to the current restriction by project, but for wv:all. <small>(Each sister project would benefit from this.)</small></li> <li>Migrate each language Wikiversity from beta.wv to Incubator.</li></ul> </div> <p><i>Process</i>: I pinged the most active past participants and b.wv editors. Feedback from current bureaucrats Samuele2002 and Crochet.david should be especially attended to: if they are sure the Incubator can not support what they need, we & the incubator maintainers should understand why & what that means for other sister projects. 18:04, 3 July 2017 (UTC) </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Summary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"></span>Summary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Summary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dt>Past proposal</dt> <dd><a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator" title="Proposals for closing projects/Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator">Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator 1</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator#Arguments_in_favor" title="Proposals for closing projects/Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator">2013 discussion</a></i>)</dd></dl> <p>The 2013 proposal changed focus while discussion was underway, and was closed after a meandering history. <a href="/wiki/User:SPQRobin" title="User:SPQRobin">SPQRobin</a> wrote in closing "<i>the proposal needs to be clearly defined or have a clearly defined decision-making process.</i>" <a href="/wiki/User:Lsanabria" title="User:Lsanabria">Lsanabria</a> wrote "<i>open a new one to discuss the idea, providing a summary of topics discussed</i>". </p><p>This proposal is for a clean merge of the two wikis, preserving current tools and wiki functionality. In the process of discussing it, we will hopefully sort out confusions about the differences b/t the wikis, identify what Incubator can learn from beta.wv, and decide whether or not Incubator is a good place to incubate new Wikiversities. </p><p>If there is support for a well-defined merge, we can then define details of what that could look like, including improvements to Incubator, and then have a fixed-duration discussion (a month?) for people to review and approve the final proposal. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arguments_for_the_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arguments_for_the_proposal-Summary"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arguments_for_the_proposal-Summary"></span>Arguments for the proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arguments_for_the_proposal-Summary"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Arguments for the proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>This is why Incubator exists.</li> <li>Translations and activity-tracking are clean and easier there; approval should in theory be faster.</li> <li>Separation and duplication is wasted work: spam, SWMT, tech changes would be slightly easier for a single incubator site. [but see arguments against re: utility of separation]</li> <li>The main: and file: namespaces on beta.WV are messy (everything in once place), hard to migrate from, and not well maintained. (<a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_is_Magic" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic">example</a>)</li> <li>A developing wiki benefits from support from other sister projects, other groups working in the same language, and the tech+translator network. All are engaged w/incubator. beta.WV divides out only those interested in Wikiversity.</li> <li>Discussions about global topics, and general activity, benefit from a critical mass of active users.</li> <li>Custom features [like sister-project-only search, RC, coordination pages] should be added to incubator, as an option for all sister projects. In the medium term, this is easier to maintain than separate beta-wikis for each project.</li> <li>Provides <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_systems#LanguageConverter" class="extiw" title="mw:Writing systems">LanguageConverter</a> support for e.g. <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/mul:%E9%A6%96%E9%A0%81" class="extiw" title="v:mul:首頁">Chinese</a> and <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/mul:%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0" class="extiw" title="v:mul:Главна страна">Serbian</a>, which is actually supported on Incubator (try Wy/sr in both <a class="external text" href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wy/sr/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0&variant=sr-ec">sr-ec</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wy/sr/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0&variant=sr-el">sr-el</a>)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arguments_against_the_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arguments_against_the_proposal-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arguments_against_the_proposal-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"></span>Arguments against the proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arguments_against_the_proposal-Summary-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Arguments against the proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z-Arguments_against_the_proposal"></span>Migration is work. Who wants to waste time on it? Current setup: <i>notbroken</i>.</li> <li>The active communities should decide. (Starting with beta.WV, including localizers, small-language groups, <a href="/wiki/SWMT" class="mw-redirect" title="SWMT">SWMT</a>, and devs of incubation-tools) <dl><dd>beta.wv has activity -- Recently hi.wv has activity, and is being approved. Jayprakash worked on that. zh.wv and he.wv have also been active. (See <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/mul:%E8%A6%8F%E5%BE%8B%E6%95%B8%E5%88%97" class="extiw" title="v:mul:規律數列">this curious page</a> of number theory.) A couple short policy discussions happened on their Babel forum <a href="/wiki/User:Crochet.david" title="User:Crochet.david">Crochet.david</a> has been handling high-level requests and could weigh in here.</dd></dl></li> <li>Separation and duplication can be good. <dl><dd>WV-only RecentChanges. [incubator supports this for a single language-project. Doing that for a whole set of sister projects (e.g., wikt/*), isn't currently working.]</dd> <dd>WV-only search results. [incubator lets you set a project-preference that affects searches for a single language-project. No way yet? to search across wikt/* or */de.]</dd> <dd>NB: global announcements go to beta.WV's Babel (which everyone uses to chat), but go to a '<a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikimedia_news" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Wikimedia news">WM News</a>' page on Incubator w/ no sidebar link. Is community space on beta.WV more effective? <dl><dd><small>These announcements are made to <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikimedia_news" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Wikimedia news">Incubator:Wikimedia news</a>. However, that's not obvious, so I do need to put a notice to that effect on <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Community_Portal" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Community Portal">Incubator:Community Portal</a>. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z-Arguments_against_the_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z-Arguments_against_the_proposal"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-06T13:53:00.000Z-Arguments_against_the_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-Summary-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"><span id="Arguments_refuted.2C_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-Summary-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span>Arguments refuted, or neither for nor against<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-Summary-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Arguments refuted, or neither for nor against"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>All the Wikipedias and all the Wikiversities are free to use fair use images, including Beta Wikiversity and any potential new ones developing in BetaWV --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:31:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span>Not all Wikipedias and Wikiversities are allowed to use fair use. Only couple of Wikimedia projects are.— <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:31:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:31:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:31:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span>This is not a current concern. Beta.WV has deleted new fair use images (since 2014) and migrated most images to Commons. No current projects are asking to upload such images.</dd> <dd>Neither beta.WV nor Incubator seems to have an <a href="/wiki/Exemption_doctrine_policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Exemption doctrine policy">EDP</a>. (Not <i>too</i> surprising, as young projects rarely have much media.) If any new project wants fair use images, Incubator could allow it. As soon as a project gets its own wiki they can implement their own EDP. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>The ability to <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#Good_and_bad_news_about_cross-wiki_search_results_in_English_Wikipedia" class="extiw" title="v:Wikiversity:Colloquium">search</a> all WMF projects is coming to Wikiversity. While this argument may not seem for or against the proposal, the freedom to research other WMF projects is especially beneficial to any Wikiversity and its contributors. Putting BetaWV in an incubator could and probably would stymie research. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T06:09:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"></span>The <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liuxinyu970226&oldid=16973537">discussion at user talk page</a> can dispel misunderstandings and put some matter to rest. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T06:09:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T06:09:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T06:09:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"></span>BetaWV is already an incubator. The question is whether to share an incubator or keep it split up.</dd> <dd>Cross-wiki search is coming to all projects. The question is how to implement it will likely be similar on Incubator and on beta.WV. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:47:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T14:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:45:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>Original research can only be conducted and performed on Wikiversities not on incubators --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:45:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:45:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-07T02:45:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:07:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>Incubator has no policy against OR, and Wikinews projects (defined by original research) have had no trouble on that account.</dd></dl></li></ul> <blockquote style="font-size:80%"> <ul><li>We could modify our Incubator policy to allow original research if you re-consider to support us. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) 09:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC) <ul><li>I appreciate your interest in original research! Unfortunately, others who "run" incubators are more likely inclined toward a Wikipedia view of synthesis or OR than allowing it to be encouraged. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) 14:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC) <ul><li>Besides "citation needed" for your previous statement, there is absolutely no issue to set the Incubator policy regarding the original research to something like "Original research is not permitted with the exception on pages with Wv/ prefix" to match the fact that Wikiversity allow original research.<br/>— <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a> 17:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC) <ul><li>What about <a href="/wiki/WikiJournal" class="mw-redirect" title="WikiJournal">WikiJournal</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a>? If it becomes a full-fledged project, how will the Incubator handle WikiJournal's original content? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 17:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC) <dl><dd>Incubator has no opinion on such things: it exists to host projects that are just getting started, whatever their policies. To my knowledge Incubator has never yet incubated a new <i>kind</i> of sister project [like WikiJournal] -- but I don't see why that couldn't happen. (Meta has also hosted such demo-sites in the past.) <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> 04:02, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> </blockquote> <ul><li>I think it is advantageous to keep beta.Wikiversity for a variety of reasons: to help create new Wikiversity and to have a special project could stimulate the creation of new Wikiversity (also note that Wikiversity is The project with less language versions). Plus having beta.Wikiversity is easier to monitor the creation of new pages in the various wikiversity hosts on beta.Wikiversity also the beta function is to be a reference point for the communities of various Wikiversity in any language (eg a few months ago there We are coordinated and decided there to edit the Wikiversity logo) both for proposals that relate to the project and to help individual wikiversities in introducing into original searches. In addition, beta.Wikiversity would be the place to test experimentation on the project or to try extensions (eg Education_Program, Quiz Mooc...) all this if beta.Wikiversity was moved to an incubator would not be possible. --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:07:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 9 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:07:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:07:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>(Sorry if I could repeat arguments that have already been said but it is to divide by points)Beta.wkkiversity performs an incubating function of the new Wikiversity by paying attention to the needs and needs of the individual --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-1"></span>Beta.wikiversity allows new wvs to learn and test the Wikiversity's own functionality (Education_Program Mooc quiz extensions...). --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-1"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-2"></span>beta.wikiversity is the place where it is possible for the new wv to develop original researches and among the objectives of beta.wikiversity there is also the one to encourage them. In addition, beta.wikiversity promotes the possibility of allowing the development of RO in the various wikiversity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:15:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against-3"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:14:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span>In addition wikiversity is the project with fewer language versions and maintaining beta.wikiversity encourages the creation of new Wikiversity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:14:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 10 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:14:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-10T22:14:00.000Z-Arguments_refuted,_or_neither_for_nor_against"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Interested_recent_participants" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interested_recent_participants-Summary-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interested_recent_participants-Summary-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z"></span>Interested recent participants<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interested_recent_participants-Summary-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Interested recent participants"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z-Interested_recent_participants"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Crochet.david" title="User:Crochet.david">Crochet.david</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Jayprakash12345" title="User:Jayprakash12345">Jayprakash12345</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002">Samuele2002</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Green_Zero" title="User:Green Zero">Green Zero</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Lsanabria" title="User:Lsanabria">Lsanabria</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Millosh" title="User:Millosh">Millosh</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:SPQRobin" title="User:SPQRobin">SPQRobin</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">Sj</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>:</span> </p><p>Please ping other active editors on beta.wv, and people interested in cross-project collaboration & features on the incubator. </p><p>I am here requesting some user. Who maked Hindi Wikiversity agenda for their purpose. The of langcom commented are " Langcom has reviewed the concerns and found them unfounded. So please continue with the creation of the wiki." So please don't make Hindi wikiversity as agenda. All the things have negative and positive views. But only described negative point is not right. Thanks for being here.-<a href="/wiki/User:Jayprakash12345" title="User:Jayprakash12345">Jayprakash12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayprakash12345" title="User talk:Jayprakash12345">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z-Interested_recent_participants" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z-Interested_recent_participants"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-25T06:52:00.000Z-Interested_recent_participants"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Short comments only, please. To respond or elaborate in detail, please use <a href="#Questions">other</a> <a href="#Further_discussion">sections</a> below.</i></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Support</b> I support this proposal On the condition that quiz ext should be installed and Bot should be retain. bur and sysop flag can convert in 6 month sysop flag For active user. Thanks-<a href="/wiki/User:Jayprakash12345" title="User:Jayprakash12345">Jayprakash12345</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayprakash12345" title="User talk:Jayprakash12345">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayprakash12345-2017-07-03T13:27:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-03T16:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Comment</b> Based on discussion so far: I think doing this properly will help speed up new WV development, make maintenance + language support easier, and improve Incubator. It's important to carry over useful features of beta.wv (also useful for other non-wv projects!) And as Jayprakash says, user flags should be converted. But I want to better understand the issues Samuele and David raised in the past, to see if the Incubator could include a community space that works for them. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-03T16:02:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-03T16:02:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-03T16:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b> There is no reason why Wikiversity should have some separate Incubator. For general collaboration about the project, that's <i>why</i> Meta exists. In addition to some bad pages and low level of activity, they have actually tried to graduate the Hindi Wikiversity which <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166" class="extiw" title="phab:T168765">contains about 500 pages, 100 of which are just Linux code with no commentary</a>. This is after five and half years. A project like this would never be released from Incubator, nor should it be. Please close Beta, fold appropriate content into Incubator and Meta, and lock the domain--it is serving no purpose <i>and</i> it is graduating projects which are not appropriate. Up until now, you could claim that there was some benign neglect happening where it doesn't cause any harm to have it, so why bother but I think there is demonstrable and tangible harm in promoting projects which are unsustainable. It is actively working against the purposes that it is supposed to serve. Has the community been properly notified? I don't want this knocked out on a technicality (again). —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko<b>a</b>vf</span>)</a><span style="color:red">❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z-Comments"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-04T16:10:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z"></span>Yes, notice was placed. One nice thing about Incubator is, once you've set your project preference, you can focus on that wiki. So there's no need to become an independent wiki before there is an active community. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-04T16:10:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 4 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-04T16:10:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-04T16:10:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-03T18:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-07T23:13:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Comment</b> - Feel free to comment here, <a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshall</a>. Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-07T23:13:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-07T23:13:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-07T23:13:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Oppose</b> Before these proposals to close BetaWV and distribute it to Meta and Incubator, some 14 Wikiversities became open. Since these closure proposals began only 2 became open or have approval ongoing! There are 21 more Wikiversities eligible for approval. The biggest effect of these repeated closure proposals has been to discourage additional eligible Wikiversities from reaching for approval before opening. Apparently, it hasn't occurred to the closure proposers that like the additional language Wikipedias, Wiktionaries, and the many others, most participants also contribute money to the WMF for the pleasure of enjoying each project in their beloved languages and translating among them. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z-Comments"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z"></span>Or, one could say that it was because of Beta Wikiversity itself that no projects were promoted. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rs</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">chen</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">7754</a></b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T00:50:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z"></span>I took a look at when the two proposals occurred. <a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Beta_Wikiversity" title="Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Beta Wikiversity">Closure of Beta Wikiversity</a> began 27 May 2008, during that month three Wikiversities opened, that proposal was closed on 4 December 2013 before the 15th Wikiversity was open in February. So the first closure proposal may have been discouraging but did not stop the openings. The second one <a href="/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator" title="Proposals for closing projects/Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator">Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator 1</a> began 25 June 2013 after the Korean Wikiversity opened and lasted to 3 July 2017, but the Hindi Wikiversity was approved in June 2017. Both periods disprove "it was because of Beta Wikiversity itself that no projects were promoted." With 21 more eligible for approval yet only one approved, the 22nd, it should be clear that this repeated effort here to close Beta Wikiversity is the sole negative force of consequence. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z"></span>Hi Marshall, longer comments might fit better in the <a href="#Questions">questions</a> section below. I've responded there. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T02:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-08T20:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b> There's no reason to have a separate site for just Wikiversity, and in fact there are legitimate concerns that this sets up an unhealthy isolation from the rest of Wikimedia. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rs</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">chen</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">7754</a></b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T00:58:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Neutral - I'm close to "opposing" the proposal.</s> The <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:Wikis">list of incubating wikis</a> is humongous, and I'm not convinced that the Incubator is well equipped to graduate a Wikiversity site. However, I'm convinced that creating another Wikiversity would take years. Time span between creating Korean and Hindi Wikiversity was four years. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayprakash12345" title="User:Jayprakash12345">Jayprakash12345</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">Sj</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a>, what will we do with the load of incubating wikis, especially when Beta Wikiversity will be merged into the Incubator? Also, Jay, how will the Incubator community accomplish your suggestions? <p>Moreover, since 2014, <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:News" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:News">no more than five wikis</a> have been created <u>annually</u>, i.e. graduated from the Incubator by the <a href="/wiki/Language_committee" title="Language committee">language committee</a> and the Phabricator developers. I'll soon notify some more projects for their opinions on this re-proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a>; amended, 21:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z"></span>"Moreover, since 2014, <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:News" class="extiw" title="incubator:Incubator:News">no more than five wikis</a> have been created," ... what? I'm counting 12. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rs</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">chen</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">7754</a></b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:37:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Oops. I amended my comment, <a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a>. Thanks for pointing out my err. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2017-07-08T21:39:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T02:03:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span>Switched to <s>weak</s> <b>Oppose</b> after finding out that the <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities">list of incubating Wikiversities</a> is also huge. I don't see a real benefit of overwhelming Incubator community with a load of incubating Wikiversities. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 02:03, 9 July 2017 (UTC); <small>Switched to "oppose". --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T02:03:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T02:03:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T02:03:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:18:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span>Moreover, the last <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary" title="Wiktionary">Wiktionary</a> created was 2013 and Venetian. The first <a href="/wiki/Wikinews" title="Wikinews">Wikinews</a> graduated from the Incubator as of this year and is Dutch. The last <a href="/wiki/Wikiquote" title="Wikiquote">Wikiquote</a> created was 2013 and Sanskrit. <a href="/wiki/Wikivoyage" title="Wikivoyage">Wikivoyage</a> was last created last year and is Finnish. Outside the Incubator, Wikisource was last created in 2013 and Assamese. Seems that most of graduated wikis are Wikipedias in non-English languages, especially this year. I wonder whether those at Incubator can spend energy on creating more sister projects. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:18:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:18:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:18:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span>Also, as of now, not one Wikibooks site graduated from the Incubator.</s> --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 04:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC); <small>struck out my misassumption. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-08T21:58:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z"></span>That is an incorrect statement. In 2010 the Limburgish Wikibooks got created from the Incubator. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User:Ooswesthoesbes">OosWesThoesBes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User talk:Ooswesthoesbes">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T04:21:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Oh... I didn't see "wb/li" frankly, <a href="/wiki/User:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User:Ooswesthoesbes">OosWesThoesBes</a>. My bad. Still, not one Wikibooks site for seven years after Limburgish? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T12:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T17:00:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z"></span>It seems to be the case indeed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User:Ooswesthoesbes">OosWesThoesBes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User talk:Ooswesthoesbes">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T17:00:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T17:00:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2017-07-10T17:00:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-10T16:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z-Comments"></span><sigh>Again?</sigh></small> <b>Strong support.</b> Incubator is a site to put pages of wannabe-wikis to, Meta is the communication hub. No need for extra site which duplicates existing functions/wikis. Not even speaking about naming issues when names are similar in different languages and other problems which the beta Wikiversity has regarding starting new wikis. Incubator can actually help it to evolve better and faster.<br/>— <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z-Comments"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T17:56:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"></span>I don't know, <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a>. I was told that the LangCom handles approvals and closures of local wikis. As a result, since 2014, several of them passed annually, most of them Wikipedias. Meanwhile, most of the incubator wikis sit there almost dusting. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T17:56:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T17:56:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-10T17:56:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:24:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Comment"><img alt="Comment" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_comment_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_comment_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Comment</b> I am quite upset that the same mistake happens here like in previous discussions on this topic - the discussion becomes messy and arguments for both views are quite hard to track instead of being clearly summarized and structured. No wonder why previous discussions took ages and went nowhere... :-/<br/>— <a href="/wiki/User:Danny_B." title="User:Danny B.">Danny B.</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:24:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:24:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T17:24:00.000Z-Danny_B.-2017-07-10T16:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T19:44:00.000Z-Comments"></span>{{sofixit]} ;) Seriously: I'm trying to keep the intro clean; if you can help refactor it, please do.</dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>I placed my comments below, under an appropriate question, because I think there are a lot of misconceptions here. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T19:44:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T19:44:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T19:44:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z-Comments"></span>continue supporting</b> I said reasons time and time again, I don't wanna repeat them. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z-Comments"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:21:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"></span>Yes, <a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu</a>, we know your position on Wikiversity. By the way, may you please bold your vote, so it can be clearer to readers? Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:21:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:21:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:21:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><s><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"></span>To others:</i> Please see the user's further comments at "<a href="#Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?">#Is something keeping good small WVs from being approved and founded?</a>" --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 13:46, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</s> <small>Struck per suggestion below. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:43:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z"></span>Would you please undo your this comment, this can make me nervous, note that you spammed my talk page for times and I hadn't warn you on your talk page anytimes before, isn't it enough? <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:43:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:43:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:43:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:12:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b>. I support this proposal because, as it was mentioned in the summary section, that is why the incubator exists, it will be a better use of shared resources and the Incubator has better namespace management to support multiple language codes. Any inter-language coordination can be done in Meta, which is also one of the reasons why Meta exists. Also, I think it will be easier to monitor projects to identify when they get the level of activity required to be promoted to independent projects. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Lsanabria" title="User:Lsanabria">Lsanabria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lsanabria" title="User talk:Lsanabria">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:12:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:12:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:12:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:11:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Oppose</b> <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&diff=17208174&oldid=17098101">see this my edit for my oppose</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Samuele2002" title="User:Samuele2002"><span style="color:#0080C0;"><b>Samuele</b>2002</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samuele2002" title="User talk:Samuele2002"><b><font face="Cursive"><font color="#F50">(Talk!)</font></font></b></a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:11:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 9 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:11:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samuele2002-2017-09-09T22:11:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-09-12T15:20:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Oppose</b> as per Samuele2002. --<a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pegasovagante" class="extiw" title="it:Utente:Pegasovagante"><span style="color:red">pegasovagante</span></a> <small>(<a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/v:Discussioni_utente:Pegasovagante" class="extiw" title="it:v:Discussioni utente:Pegasovagante">tell me</a>)</small> 14:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)</li> <li>I'm personally remaining <b>neutral</b> on this. However, it is abundantly clear to me that there is no consensus to support this proposal. So I strongly suggest that this proposal be closed as <i>not successful</i>, and that there be a two-year moratorium on reintroducing it. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-09-12T15:20:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-09-12T15:20:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-09-12T15:20:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b>. Also kill OldWikisource. I would support splitting WP and maybe WIKT from Incubator, however. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KATMAKROFAN" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:KATMAKROFAN">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a>:</span> Wikisource is the one project unlike every other where a given piece of content should be multilingual, so we can't kill of mul.ws or else there would be no place for those texts. Additionally, unlike every other WMF sister project, Wikisource doesn't have <i>new</i> works (well, translations and some new content but for the most part, it's all old works), so there can be dead languages with a more-or-less fixed corpus that mul.ws can host but which wouldn't be appropriate anywhere else. —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko<b>a</b>vf</span>)</a><span style="color:red">❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 14 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-10-14T18:23:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z"></span>Well, dead language wikisource can be created. <a href="/wiki/User:C933103" title="User:C933103">C933103</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C933103" title="User talk:C933103">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 3 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-10-14T22:05:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koavf-2017-12-03T21:22:00.000Z-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z"></span>If</i> there is sufficient content and a userbase, sure. But virtually by definition, a dead language <i>won't</i> have that, minus <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/la:" class="extiw" title="s:la:">s:la:</a> or <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sa:" class="extiw" title="s:sa:">s:sa:</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko<b>a</b>vf</span>)</a><span style="color:red">❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Koavf-2017-12-03T21:22:00.000Z-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 3 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koavf-2017-12-03T21:22:00.000Z-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koavf-2017-12-03T21:22:00.000Z-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlvaroMolina-2017-11-02T19:15:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b> I see no reason to have Wikiversity separate from Incubator. —<a href="/wiki/User:AlvaroMolina" title="User:AlvaroMolina"><font color="#1406D0"><b>Alvaro Molina</b></font></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlvaroMolina" title="User talk:AlvaroMolina"><font color="#137500"><b>✉</b></font></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AlvaroMolina" title="Special:Contributions/AlvaroMolina"><font color="#137500">✔</font></a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-AlvaroMolina-2017-11-02T19:15:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlvaroMolina-2017-11-02T19:15:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlvaroMolina-2017-11-02T19:15:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b>: in 2017 community tech survey, someone mentioned that the current wikiversity setup make it hard to separate works that are for different languages. If the project is merged into incubator, then it would be possible for users of the site to use facilities implemented for wikiversity. <a href="/wiki/User:C933103" title="User:C933103">C933103</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C933103" title="User talk:C933103">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 3 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C933103-2017-12-03T20:33:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Support</b>: beta实在太早了。 --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Assoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Assoc (page does not exist)">Assoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Assoc" title="User talk:Assoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z-Comments"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><div style="color:gray; text-decoration:line-through;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T08:08:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Strong support"><img alt="Strong support" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Strong support</b>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Assoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Assoc (page does not exist)">Assoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Assoc" title="User talk:Assoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Assoc-2018-01-21T08:08:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T08:08:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Assoc-2018-01-21T08:08:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span></div></li> <li><div style="color:gray; text-decoration:line-through;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Strong support"><img alt="Strong support" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Strong support</b>: --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Assoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Assoc (page does not exist)">Assoc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Assoc" title="User talk:Assoc">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span></div> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-01-22T04:42:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Assoc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Assoc (page does not exist)">Assoc</a>:</span> Although I'm the most supporter of this PCP, please do not make multiple votes here, thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-01-22T04:42:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-01-22T04:42:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2018-01-22T04:42:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-22T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><div style="color:gray; text-decoration:line-through;"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-101.86.89.233-2018-01-24T06:39:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span>Strongest Support</b> --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/101.86.89.233" title="Special:Contributions/101.86.89.233">101.86.89.233</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-101.86.89.233-2018-01-24T06:39:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-101.86.89.233-2018-01-24T06:39:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-101.86.89.233-2018-01-24T06:39:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span></div></li> <li><div style="color:gray; text-decoration:line-through;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-180.159.145.125-2018-02-07T07:31:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Strong support"><img alt="Strong support" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>Strong support</b> --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/180.159.145.125" title="Special:Contributions/180.159.145.125">180.159.145.125</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-180.159.145.125-2018-02-07T07:31:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 7 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-180.159.145.125-2018-02-07T07:31:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-180.159.145.125-2018-02-07T07:31:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span></div></li></ul> <dl><dd><i><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span>Note to LangCom:</b></i> Those two latest above votes by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/101.86.89.233">two</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/180.159.145.125">different</a> IPs come from the same location, according to whatismyipaddress.com. Infosniper may say the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=180.159.145.125">same thing</a> about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=101.86.89.233">these two</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z-Assoc-2018-01-21T03:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-12T17:33:00.000Z-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Struck sockpuppet votes. —<a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" title="User:MarcoAurelio">MarcoAurelio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarcoAurelio" title="User talk:MarcoAurelio">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-12T17:33:00.000Z-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-12T17:33:00.000Z-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarcoAurelio-2018-02-12T17:33:00.000Z-George_Ho-2018-02-07T07:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshmallych-2018-06-09T19:14:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Oppose</b>, per Samuele2002. <a href="/wiki/User:Marshmallych" title="User:Marshmallych"><span style="color:blue;"><i>Marshmallych</i></span></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshmallych-2018-06-09T19:14:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshmallych-2018-06-09T19:14:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"><span id="Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_.2B_tools_beta.wv_currently_has.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span>Can we update incubator to include features + tools beta.wv currently has?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Can we update incubator to include features + tools beta.wv currently has?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?"></span>For most technical aspects, it looks like the answer is yes: options could be the same. The primary difference is a social one: having a separate community provides a different sense of what is going on; why people come to the site; what local norms and standards are for welcoming and supporting one another. Sometimes a less-efficient system has benefits because keeping the system running is a useful shared project. I don't know if those things are happening today on either site however: both have fairly small communities. </p><p>Then the question: is it worth the effort to make the Incubator work as well as beta.WV for its editors? It seems Incubator devs and maintainers would like to see that happen: that's what Incubator was designed for. And at least some recently active editors on beta.wv would be fine with a move. But some of the longer-standing editors there would not: they like it as it is; they helped build it; they don't see any benefits to moving. I think for a merger to make sense we'd need interest from those people to make the move and make Incubator match their workflow. Basically, a few focused people just trying to get a wiki up and running, can do it (technically) anywhere and be happy. But the people who are actively trying to encourage and facilitate new language-development on beta.WV, and the equivalent people on Incubator, should probably talk to one another. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</a>, + 02:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-Can_we_update_incubator_to_include_features_+_tools_beta.wv_currently_has?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span>In short, yes. There's no technical limits that (even in theory) holds up this migration, someone asked <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Quiz" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:Quiz">mw:Extension:Quiz</a>, so we can also install it on Incubator. If they don't want to merge, then let's split Wikiversities out from WMF, because they're violating <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Founding_principles" title="Special:MyLanguage/Founding principles">Founding principles</a><span style="display:none"><a href="/wiki/Founding_principles" title="Founding principles"> </a></span> and simply the <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/vision" title="Special:MyLanguage/vision">Vision</a><span style="display:none"><a href="/wiki/Vision" title="Vision"> </a></span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:16:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z"></span>Are you talking about the Wikiversity projects currently incubating or about the sister project as a whole? I would think the later would be out of scope of this proposal. If you are talking about the former, could you elaborate in your concerns? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Lsanabria" title="User:Lsanabria">Lsanabria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lsanabria" title="User talk:Lsanabria">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:16:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:16:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lsanabria-2017-07-24T15:16:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span>What is slowed down by having many small incubators<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-Questions-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: What is slowed down by having many small incubators"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators"></span>Are separate sites actually better & easier for some communities? Should we consider splitting out beta sites for each sister project? From the discussion so far, it seems that many aspects of supporting small communities: from the technical and maintenance notes above, to providing statistics and metadata about project development, are easier on a single site. But it would be good to have examples of maintenance, translation, outreach, communication that work better on a united incubator. And we should definitely improve the quality of community discussion and coordination on the Incubator: people working on new projects have a lot in common -- from dealing with translation, MW details and upgrades, and LangCom to searching for language enthusiasts in small language communities. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-02T17:25:00.000Z-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Unity_vs._splittism?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unity_vs._splittism?-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"><span id="Unity_vs._splittism.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unity_vs._splittism?-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Unity vs. splittism?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unity_vs._splittism?-What_is_slowed_down_by_having_many_small_incubators-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Unity vs. splittism?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z-Unity_vs._splittism?"></span>This is the reason that I oppose "<a href="/wiki/Structured_Wikiquote" title="Structured Wikiquote">Structured Wikiquote</a>", because that is also a splittism proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z-Unity_vs._splittism?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z-Unity_vs._splittism?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z-Unity_vs._splittism?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"></span>No, to the contrary, it is a unification proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vogone" title="User:Vogone">Vogone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vogone" title="User talk:Vogone">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 3 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-03T02:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Vogone. Structured WQ, and Unified Wiktionary, are proposals at a lower level: sharing the raw data of [quotes in original language] or [terms, meaninges, and definitions in original language]. On top of that, language communities could still choose to have separate wikis for discussions and front-end presentations in their language; or to share a single multilingual wiki. WikiData is gradually solving the data-layer issue. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-Vogone-2017-07-03T18:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-Questions-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"><span id="Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-Questions-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span>Why give the Incubator community a load of incubating Wikiversities?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-Questions-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Why give the Incubator community a load of incubating Wikiversities?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?"></span>As said in <a href="#Comments">#Comments</a>, the Incubator is filled with a lot of incubating Wiki sites. The amount of them is very large, including the Wikipedia ones. From zero to two sister projects have been annually graduated from the Incubator since 2014, including one Wikinews this year. Do those at the Incubator have the energy and time improving any Wikivoyage, Wiktionary, or any other incubating non-Wikipedia site? Can those at Incubator invest time and energy on improving one incubating Wikiversty? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MF-Warburg-2017-07-09T13:59:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span>The users of Incubator are the users of the test-projects obviously. --<small><a href="/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" title="User:MF-Warburg">MF-W</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-MF-Warburg-2017-07-09T13:59:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MF-Warburg-2017-07-09T13:59:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MF-Warburg-2017-07-09T13:59:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span>This seems like a non-issue to me--what would be the burden exactly? Someone who is working on a Ladino dictionary is probably not interested in learning resources in Dutch (altho it's not impossible). —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko<b>a</b>vf</span>)</a><span style="color:red">❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T08:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z"></span>I changed from "burdening" to "giving" in the header, <a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin</a>. I hope it sounds better. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z-Koavf-2017-07-09T16:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span> -- I see that <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> has given a thorough and lovely response below. Incubator was designed to be a place to help all sister projects through this earliest phase of development. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T01:56:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-09T16:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"></span>Clearing up some misunderstandings and misinformation here<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-Why_give_the_Incubator_community_a_load_of_incubating_Wikiversities?-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Clearing up some misunderstandings and misinformation here"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>As the administrator arguably most active on Incubator right now—and therefore the individual most likely to be "burdened"—I feel a need to clarify some misinformation that I see in this discussion. For the record, my own opinion on this proposal is <b>neutral</b>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Can_those_on_the_Incubator_invest_time_and_energy_on_improving_one_incubating_Wikiversity?"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Can_those_on_the_Incubator_invest_time_and_energy_on_improving_one_incubating_W-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"><span id=".22Can_those_on_the_Incubator_invest_time_and_energy_on_improving_one_incubating_Wikiversity.3F.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Can_those_on_the_Incubator_invest_time_and_energy_on_improving_one_incubating_W-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"></span>"Can those on the Incubator invest time and energy on improving one incubating Wikiversity?"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Can_those_on_the_Incubator_invest_time_and_energy_on_improving_one_incubating_W-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: "Can those on the Incubator invest time and energy on improving one incubating Wikiversity?""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I truly do not know how things work on Beta Wikiversity. If what happens there is that people working on all Wikiversities in incubation help each other out, then it will be up to all of you to recreate that culture within the Wikiversity tests on Incubator. </p> <ul><li>The way things normally work on Incubator is that each test project—or at least each set of test projects in a single language—has a community of users, and for the most part those different communities of users are independent of each other and focus on their individual tests. Communities can have "test administrators", who have access to most of the tools a regular administrator does, and a community with a test administrator might need very little support outside the community itself.</li> <li>There are two main situations in which tests tend to call on help outside their own communities (before getting very close to approval). (1) They don't have a test administrator, so ask Incubator administrators to perform certain managerial functions (page deletions mostly, and blocks rarely). (2) They need technical help on certain things (like template creation). I did a lot of (1) for Dutch Wikinews, and a lot of (2) from time to time for other test projects, and it really isn't much of a burden.</li> <li>When a project is really getting near being ready for approval, I can and do help more. How I do so, and what I need to do, I will describe in the next section.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Not_many_[name_the_project_type]s_have_been_approved_recently" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_many_[name_the_project_type]s_have_been_approved_recently-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"><span id="Not_many_.5Bname_the_project_type.5Ds_have_been_approved_recently"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_many_[name_the_project_type]s_have_been_approved_recently-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"></span>Not many [name the project type]s have been approved recently<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_many_[name_the_project_type]s_have_been_approved_recently-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Not many [name the project type]s have been approved recently"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I don't really want this to be a finger-pointing exercise, but for the most part the responsibility for this lies with the Language Committee itself. LangCom has gone quiet from time to time, and projects don't get approved when LangCom is not approving them. It is possible that the rest of us could have done more to push them along—I have been doing so recently, in fact. But it's not (mostly) because people at Incubator, or Beta Wikiversity, or Multilingual Wikisource, aren't doing what they're supposed to. </p> <ul><li><dl><dd>If there are really 21 Wikiversity tests ready for approval, you can rest assured that I would start pushing LangCom to deal with them.</dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation" data-mw-thread-id="h-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"></span>There are enormous numbers of projects in incubation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: There are enormous numbers of projects in incubation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>True. But there are projects in incubation, and then there are projects in incubation. At Incubator, we have about 1,000 test projects that are nominally open, having at least one page of valid content in their test language. I'm working on getting a better fix on this right now, in fact, but I doubt more than about 50–100 are extremely active at any given time (and not all of them are ready for approval). And that is because people working on the test projects don't stay around. Remember that your average contributor to Incubator doesn't speak most of the other languages for projects in incubation, so can't really help much with content outside his/her community. Administrators try to encourage test projects, but there is only so much we can do to keep people around. (Look at the problems English Wikipedia has with this.) And if you want to say that the rules for project approval are too burdensome, and that <u>that</u> is why people leave, then take that up with LangCom, which makes the rules. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading6"><h6 id="Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"></span>Only one Wikibooks project has graduated from Incubator<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator-There_are_enormous_numbers_of_projects_in_incubation-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z"></span></h6><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Only one Wikibooks project has graduated from Incubator"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span> I am working on getting a better handle on these 1,000 test projects. But let me give you just a first taste of the problem here: </p><p>I have run through all the Wikibooks projects: </p> <ul><li>There are <b>67</b> such test projects in Incubator with at least one page of valid content. Of those,</li> <li>... <b>27</b> meet one or both of the following criteria: (a) At least 25 mainspace pages, and/or (b) <i>any</i> material content addition since the beginning of 2016. And of <i>those,</i></li> <li>... <b>one (1)</b> currently meets the activity level required for approval: three editors, with ten edits each, for at least three consecutive months. That is <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ba" class="extiw" title="incubator:Wb/ba">Bashkir Wikibooks</a>. It is the only one of the 27 that has met that requirement <u>at any time</u> in the history of Incubator. And it is big enough that LangCom really should be evaluating it for final approval. So I will go to LangCom shortly and push for that.</li></ul> <p>Additionally, if you consider the true scope of Wikibooks, it should be no surprise that language communities that just barely manage to get a Wikipedia approved are not also doing a lot of writing of original books and manuals—certainly not at a pace to justify a whole Wb project. </p><p>If there is something you think Incubator <i>should have been</i> doing to stop projects from gathering dust, please let me know. Creation of approvable wikis first requires a contributing community, and it's not Incubator's job to find that community. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-10T18:21:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"></span>@only one wikibooks project has graduated; That is not true, <a href="/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Limburgish" title="Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Limburgish">Limburgish Wikibooks</a> has started on Incubator and succesfully get its own domain, meeting the requirements at the time. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User:Ooswesthoesbes">OosWesThoesBes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User talk:Ooswesthoesbes">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z-Only_one_Wikibooks_project_has_graduated_from_Incubator"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-28T17:58:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ooswesthoesbes" title="User:Ooswesthoesbes">Ooswesthoesbes</a>:</span> Sorry if I was just a little sloppy: At the time of the analysis (last summer), there were 27 Wikibooks projects <u>then on Incubator</u> that had either (a) 25 mainspace pages, and/or (b) <i>any</i> content addition since 2016. And Bashkir was the only one <u>of those 27</u> that had met that requirement at any time since Incubator started. But that analysis excluded Limburgish Wikibooks, since that project was long-since exported from Incubator. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2018-02-28T17:58:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-28T17:58:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2018-02-28T17:58:00.000Z-Ooswesthoesbes-2018-02-27T22:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id=""Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators"-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"><span id=".22Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities.2C_not_in_Incubators.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators"-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"></span>"Original research is allowed in Wikiversities, not in Incubators"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators"-Clearing_up_some_misunderstandings_and_misinformation_here-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z"></span></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: "Original research is allowed in Wikiversities, not in Incubators""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators""></span>The rules for projects in incubation is that the general rules that apply to project types in their own subdomains apply on Incubator, too. Therefore, if there is no original research allowed in Wikipedias, then there is no original research allowed in Wikipedia tests in Incubator (Wp test code). If there is original research allowed in Wikiversities, then there would be original research allowed in Wikiversity tests (presumed Wv test code). If I make a few mistakes on such things at first, I trust people AGF and give me a chance to learn how to do things correctly.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li>The assumption is that Wikiversity-specific extensions like Quiz will be available to you on Incubator.</li> <li>The question of user flags is something that will have to be worked out in a certain amount of detail. We have only nine sysops and six 'crats on Incubator. But we have over 30 "test administrators"–people who have pretty nearly all of the regular administrator toolkit, and who use those tools within their test communities. I suspect that many Beta WV sysops will end up with that flag, which will allow them to do everything they can do now. I do hope that one or two of you, at least, would be willing to take on the full sysop and 'crat role and help us learn how to take care of Wikiversities, if this comes to past.</li></ul> <p>To conclude, I think you can make a case either way for this. I personally think that there would be more support for WV tests that are ready for approval if they were part of Incubator than there is now, but I can't say merging would come with no downsides. But for those of you currently in Beta WV, don't assume the worst. I think for the most part we are ready and willing to help you. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-09T22:55:00.000Z-"Original_research_is_allowed_in_Wikiversities,_not_in_Incubators""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-Questions-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"><span id="Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-Questions-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span>Is something keeping good small WVs from being approved and founded?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-Questions-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Is something keeping good small WVs from being approved and founded?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:31:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>Marshallsumter</a> wrote above: "<i>Before these proposals to close BetaWV and distribute it to Meta and Incubator, some 14 Wikiversities became open. Since these closure proposals began only 2 became open or have approval ongoing! There are 21 more Wikiversities eligible for approval. The biggest effect of these repeated closure proposals has been to discourage additional eligible Wikiversities from reaching for approval before opening."</i> </p> <dl><dd>This is a conversation worth having. I'm not sure whether it supports or opposes a merge, however. The rate of new wiki creation has dropped across the board, with or without Incubator. But perhaps something - the approval process, the discussions about a move? - have slowed things down. <ul><li>The 21 WV's "eligible for approval" -- this seems to mean projects with interface translation and minimal content, but not the necessary activity. Most don't have recent active editors. Input from people working on those projects would be compelling.</li> <li>Why do you think discussion about a merge has been discouraging? Other than the domain change, none of the proposals has ever suggested this might impact the ability or speed of approvals.</li> <li>Have you seen changes in the approval process slowing things down? As Steven noted above, LangCom makes the rules on approval (and may be open to feedback). And in theory standardizing how things work on Incubator should make it faster to start a project and faster to review + approve it. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:31:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:31:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:31:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>Another quote: "<i>Apparently, it hasn't occurred to the closure proposers that like the additional language Wikipedias, Wiktionaries, and the many others, most participants also contribute money to the WMF for the pleasure of enjoying each project in their beloved languages and translating among them.</i>" </p> <dl><dd>Marshall, please assume good faith :) This proposal is for a merge into Incubator, specifically in the hopes of improving translation, avoiding namespace collision across languages, and the like. The supporters of the proposal believe this would make things easier for new projects to get off the ground. You may be right that beta.WV is superior, and I hope you'll elaborate how. But please don't sneer at the intent of those trying to make Incubator work for everyone. <span style="background-color:white;color:#bbb;">–<a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">SJ</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj"><font style="color:#f90;">talk</font></a> </small></span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span>No "sneer" intended! AGF is there, but the chronological evidence strongly suggests that these closure/transfer efforts begun in 2008 have seriously discouraged and distracted participants from bringing more Wikiversities online. I'll take a closer look at the pre-May 2008 effort to see if the enthusiasm supports this exactly. It may not, but if it does perhaps we should consider bringing this to a halt. The first 5-year discussion ended in no consensus! The second 4-year one in rejection! The message seems clear about interfering with or perhaps trying to stop the Wikiversities. Maybe it would be better to consider how to bring the "hopes of improving translation, avoiding namespace collision across languages, and the like." to BetaWV. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-11T14:18:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"></span>The second was rejected on technical grounds, but if you insist, it would be more accurate to say that it also ended in no consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-11T14:18:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-11T14:18:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-11T14:18:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T04:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"></span>Okay, here's the chronology before and during the first 5-year discussion: 2006 - 3 wikiversities opened, 2007 - 2, 2008 - before 27 May - 2 (although I'm not sure if the ja.WV was before 27 May), after 27 May - 2 more opened, 2009 - 2, 2010 - 1, 2011 - 1, 2012 - 1, and 2013 - 1, no more until after second proposal rejected, then hi. approved. The statistics are weak but the peak is in 2008 both before and after the start of the first proposal, then downhill during it and zero during the second. I'd say the enthusiasm was severely dampened by the first and all but wiped by the second. Sorry - but however well-intended these efforts here may have been it appears that they severely hurt those contributors who wanted their own WV. 21 eligibles may have been lost, but I hope not. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T04:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T04:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T04:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-11T03:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:41:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span>And in 2017, one Wikiversity is approved, but Koavf said that that project should not created as that's containing email address and machine translated works (cf. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2017-June/001508.html">[1]</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:41:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:41:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-11T07:41:00.000Z-Sj-2017-07-11T03:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-11T07:44:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>And... the task is <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3419162">currently stalled</a> for now. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 07:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</s>; <small>struck due to update. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-11T07:44:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-11T07:44:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-11T07:44:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>Here's a suggestion: pick 3-5 of the 21 wikiversities not yet approved and let them exist in both betaWV and incubator. Let's see which brings them to approval and open soonest! --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a>:</span> Interesting idea, and I've often thought the same thing. But here's the problem. Ultimately, projects are not approved unless there is a community of speakers that works on creating content. And it's just not reasonable to assume that we can duplicate that effort in two places in order to create this competition. <i>(I have to say: if you think Beta WV can help get projects over the finish line without that, then Beta needs to stay separate, because that's not how things work on Incubator.)</i> <ul><li>As a parallel exercise to this, and originally for reasons totally internal to Incubator, I've been working on evaluating the tests we have right now at Incubator. So far, I've gone through the Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikinews and Wikivoyage projects, which together constitute about 30% of the tests on Incubator. See the analysis <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:StevenJ81#Project_analysis_(Summer_2017)" class="extiw" title="incubator:User:StevenJ81">here</a>. Exactly two tests in these groups (out of over 300) have enough activity under current policy to be approvable: <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ba" class="extiw" title="incubator:Wb/ba">Bashkir Wikibooks</a> and <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wy/hi" class="extiw" title="incubator:Wy/hi">Hindi Wikivoyage</a>. Perhaps four or five other tests (out of over 300) either have a current level of activity just a little short of policy requirements, or met policy requirements at some time in the past. No other tests were even close.</li></ul></dd> <dd>So I see the "failure to approve" projects like this to be more a function of a lack of sustained work on the tests rather than a "failure of Incubator". And if the issue is that the activity requirements are too strict, then take that up with LangCom. But LangCom's concern, rightly, is to do as much as possible to make sure these projects will remain active once approved.</dd> <dd>Why don't you tell me three Wikiversities that you think are most ready for approval (aside from Hindi) and let me look through them? I'll see what I can do to help you get them over the finish line. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T04:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure how much duplication beyond Main Pages, to be merged later, is needed. If the one on BetaWV is say five resources short or five contributors short and three contributions occur on incubator, and approval follows then incubator wins! Same thing with whatever requirements remain. I'll pick five randomly. Hope you can try them! --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T12:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"></span>How about Bulgarian (bg.), Haitian (ht.), Mazanderani (mzn.), Polish (pl.), and Tajik (tg.)! I've got two from Europe, maybe Chinese (zh.) as an alternate for one of them. I did not see any from Africa, but if I missed one that might make a good second alternate. Alternates are also in case of a drop out or if you'd rather replace one from Europe. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"></span>We're not doing that, and we're not going to run any parallel incubations. I'd like to know what WV tests you think are close to approval and look at them myself. I'd be very happy to get them approved right out of Beta, or to give you my own advice on what needs to happen to get them out. As I said, I don't much care what happens here. But if you think that Wikiversities are stuck for some reason, I'd like to get at the reason why that might be. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:55:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z"></span>In terms of high page counts Lithuanian (li.) has 327 and Persian (fa.) has 376, if these would be better than Haitian (ht.) or Tajik (tg.), which have low or zero page counts. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:55:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:55:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T14:55:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:28:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="hidden-archive mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width: 100%; clear: both; font-size: 88%; padding: 1px; margin-top: 0.2em;"> <tbody><tr> <th style="padding: 0.25em 1em; line-height: 1.5em; background-color:#f2dfce;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>Unnecessary sarcastic sidebar </th></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;">The following discussion has been closed. <strong style="color:red;">Please do not modify it.</strong> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white;"> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a>:</span> And there's my suggestion: Split Incubator to 6 different Multilingual (ISO 639-3:mul) projects, and ask <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_(WMDE)" title="User:Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)">Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)</a>:</span> (or any other WMDE staffs), so Wikidata support can be easily added? Please note that adding more than one same usage pages are not technical and not logical possible, and insist on adding IWLinks (via <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P31" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> = <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21286738" class="extiw" title="d:Q21286738">Wikimedia permanent duplicated page (Q21286738)</a>) will only make HDD/SSD bad sectors in codfw+eqiad+esams... --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z"></span>First you said that you favor merging Beta WV into Incubator, but then you said split Incubator into six different projects, like Incubating Wikipedia and Incubating Wikivoyage. Am I seeing it right, <a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Xinyu</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:37:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span> Simply to say, If Marshall can use our dream as laughingstock, then why can't I use opposers' (like his) comments as laughingstock too? This can make my comments as under diplomacy equality. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:37:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:37:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:37:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"></span>Anyway, I suggest you to point what's wrong in my recently comments, rather than discuss my life. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-13T13:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>:</span> Is this serious or sarcastic? Should I hat this? Come on—this is complicated enough as it is without adding sarcasm to the mix. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:35:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a>:</span> Yes --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:35:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:35:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-13T14:35:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T14:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>Convenience link: <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:States of Wikiversities">States of Wikiversities</a> <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:00:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><br/> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>:</span> </p> <ul><li>We've got to go with reasonably high page counts for the time being. There are really two issues on the table here, and we need to be careful to keep each in mind, even though they overlap a bit: <ul><li>Could the fact that there is a Haitian Creole community already in place at Incubator help build an HT Wikiversity from essentially zero?</li> <li>Why are fairly developed Wikiversities in Beta not approved?</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd>Personally, I'm far more interested in the second issue. After we start getting a handle on that, we can decide if Beta or Incubator is a better place to try to solve the first issue. <dl><dd><ul><li>Actually, the Chinese Wikiversity (zh.) has the highest page count at 710! --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z"></span>I need to point out a couple of technical issues here, which I also mentioned at <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:States_of_Wikiversities" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Talk:States of Wikiversities">Talk:States of Wikiversities</a>: <ul><li>Your {{Catanalysis}} template wasn't working right. It was providing edit data <i>only</i> for <i>Category-space</i> pages within the root category of a test, not for <i>mainspace</i> pages. So someone outside your community trying to take a quick look at statistics by clicking a link at <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:States of Wikiversities">States of Wikiversities</a> isn't going to see enough activity to suggest approvability. I fixed that.</li> <li>I noticed that <a href="/wiki/User:Jayprakash12345" title="User:Jayprakash12345">User:Jayprakash12345</a> has mostly been using <b>वैकल्पिक HI</b> rather than <b>HI</b> to categorize his Wikiversity project. It may be approved anyway, but that kind of thing is a good way for people outside your community looking for numbers not to get an accurate picture. I strongly suggest renaming your root categories back to their basic language codes, so that people looking for approvability numbers won't have a problem finding the information they need. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T15:28:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T15:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z"></span>... ... ... I will stick to my position for now, <s>but I might change my mind later then if creating Hindi Wikiversity is delayed for too long.</s> --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) 15:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC); <small>partially struck due to update. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T15:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T15:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-13T15:17:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="First_cut" data-mw-thread-id="h-First_cut-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-First_cut-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>First cut<span data-mw-comment-end="h-First_cut-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: First cut"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-First_cut"></span>I looked at six test projects at Beta (excluding Hindi) having page counts (on States) of at least 200 pages. (I'm not saying 100 isn't enough. I'm just starting with these six.) Understand that I do not speak any of these languages, so I cannot evaluate the actual content, which appears to be part of the issue with Hindi. But here's what I see right off the bat: </p> <ul><li>None of the tests (other than Hindi) currently meets the activity standard (at least three non-bot editors, with at least ten edits per month, going back at least three continuous months)</li> <li><b>ZH</b> (711 pages) and <b>LT</b> (327 pages): These had stretches—even long stretches—of meeting the standard until fairly recently. If you want to argue that LangCom should have addressed these at the time (2014–2016), and that people left because of a lack of progress, that could be a fair point to make. Still, because of the lack of <u>current</u> community involvement, LangCom will be concerned about whether the wiki will be maintained after approval. But if you can get the people who worked on these wikis before to commit to resuming their work, I'm willing to try to help you make a case to LangCom to evaluate these two projects for approval without waiting for a new three-month window. <i>LangCom will still evaluate these for actual content, and I make no promises on that.</i></li> <li><b>ET</b> (261 pages) also had stretches of meeting the standard, but the last month in which that was true was January 2012, over five years ago. So I think LangCom would wonder about current community support.</li> <li><b>BG</b> (319 pages), <b>FA</b> (376 pages) and <b>UK</b> (296 pages) have never met that standard, even for one month. (OK, I lied: One did, for one month only.) So while the content has been built over time, LangCom would have no assurance whatsoever that these projects could be maintained if approved separately.</li></ul> <p>It's a different question whether Incubator can provide additional community support for these projects. </p> <ul><li>Since the six projects hosted in Incubator (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wikiquote and Wikivoyage) all already exist as approved projects in Chinese, Persian and Ukranian, I cannot say off the top of my head that there will be a lot of support for native speakers at Incubator. <i>(That having been said, there are many projects in various Chinese dialects, a few in languages close to Persian, and a few in other Slavic languages, so maybe there is more there than I am aware of.)</i></li> <li>There are projects in Bulgarian, Lithuanian and Estonian. Only one has been extremely active lately, but perhaps the presence of Wikiversity projects also would help. (The one exception is Lithuanian Wikinews, which has had a single, very active IP editor recently.)</li></ul> <p>Naturally, we can provide administrative support on Incubator, as well as advice and experience getting projects over the top, should the tests move there. <br/>Ultimately, though, nothing is going to get any of these six projects approved without some more sustained community involvement. And while either Beta or Incubator might be somewhat helpful on that front, ultimately a community itself would have to come forward to make that happen. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-First_cut" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-First_cut"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z-First_cut"></span> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps some form of crossWiki advertising would help! I found the incubator LT Main Page but not yet the betaWV LT Main Page. If these advertised the other, this may help both. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span>On Beta, I'd use this page: <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Kavin%C4%97_diskusijoms" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity:Kavinė diskusijoms">Wikiversity:Kavinė diskusijoms</a>.</li> <li>On Incubator, we would never use the LT Main Page for this, because we couldn't be sure if people would have LT set as their interface language (even if working on LT projects). We'd use the talk page of the info pages <i>(i.e.,</i> <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wn/lt" class="extiw" title="incubator:Talk:Wn/lt">Talk:Wn/lt</a> or <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wy/lt" class="extiw" title="incubator:Talk:Wy/lt">Talk:Wy/lt</a>, the talk page of the main pages (<a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wn/lt/Pagrindinis_puslapis" class="extiw" title="incubator:Talk:Wn/lt/Pagrindinis puslapis">Talk:Wn/lt/Pagrindinis puslapis</a> or <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wy/lt/Pagrindinis_puslapis" class="extiw" title="incubator:Talk:Wy/lt/Pagrindinis puslapis">Talk:Wy/lt/Pagrindinis puslapis</a>), or the local Café/Village Pump, if one is active.</li> <li>Finally, though, you'd have to go to the main communities of Lithuanian speakers: <a href="https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedija:Forumas" class="extiw" title="lt:Vikipedija:Forumas">lt:Vikipedija:Forumas</a> on Wikipedia and <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lt:Viki%C5%BEodynas:Bendruomen%C4%97s_portalas" class="extiw" title="wikt:lt:Vikižodynas:Bendruomenės portalas">wikt:lt:Vikižodynas:Bendruomenės portalas</a> on Wiktionary, as well as communities at <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/lt:" class="extiw" title="b:lt:">Wikibooks</a> and <a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/lt:" class="extiw" title="q:lt:">Wikiquote</a>.</li></ul> <dl><dd>I'll put notices out on Incubator. I suggest you make the approach on Wikipedia and Wiktionary first, because you understand the needs of Wikiversity better than I do. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b style="white-space:nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:30:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Done</b> on Incubator. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:30:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:30:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T18:30:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span>As a first test, I left the following message on <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Vogone#Testing_Main_Page.2FSisterprojects">Vogone's talk page</a>: "I have put a sisterprojects display in Lithuanian in my <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Marshallsumter/Sandbox">beta:User:Marshallsumter/Sandbox</a> as a way to perhaps stimulate some crosswiki activity! It has the latest addresses I can find and could go on the Lithuanian Main Page if there's interest. What do you think?" --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-13T17:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z"></span>If you're going to work on projects like this, best to learn how to do Wikilinks, rather than URL links. I fixed those.</dd> <dd>It's a starting point. But I'd like to see more of a direct call to action on incomplete projects (Wv, Wn, Wy). People need to be told that the projects need active support to be approved. <a href="/wiki/User:StevenJ81" title="User:StevenJ81">StevenJ81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StevenJ81" title="User talk:StevenJ81">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 14 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T01:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z"></span>Getting the hang of the Wikilinks! Thanks again for your help! Our Main Page gets almost three orders of magnitude more hits than most of our Discuss pages put together. Hopefully, the sisterlinks I created can be the LT version while the other can be EN. That may pull many LTs into those projects including BetaWv and incubator. I liked your calls to action! Usually, I try one-on-one with principal or long-time contributors. Incubator discussion pages such as the ones you chose are good! Our Wv Colloquium page would reach almost everyone that contributes fairly regularly. I'll do some checking around. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-14T02:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-26T20:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"></span>A one week-long advertising test of our sister projects in Lithuanian has begun! I have recorded 30 d page views for all 15 for the prior 30 d, to see if there's any difference, with local approval and further requests for comments. At the end of the test, I'll record the 30 d numbers again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-26T20:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-26T20:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-26T20:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-27T01:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"></span>Are you sure that lt pages you mentioned are not machine translation? I would ask <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Hugo.arg" title="User:Hugo.arg">Hugo.arg</a>:</span> (the only lt user which I somewhat familiar) to verify. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-27T01:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 27 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-27T01:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2017-07-27T01:44:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-14T23:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Hm... What should I verify exactly? I did not completely understand this discussion anyway. Why you want to create/revive lt.wikiversity which never was anything serious (the only user who tried to promote it was <a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kusurija" class="extiw" title="cs:User:Kusurija">cs:User:Kusurija</a> himself being native Czech-speaker)? Currently, lt.wikipedia itself struggles to get new contributors and it is being kept active by small group of long-time users, lt.wiktionary, lt.wikibooks and lt.wikisources are dead, lt.wikiquotes is being kept active by only one user. I think, in this case, we should concentrate creating powers mostly to lt.wikipedia, which is main wiki source for internet users, rather to obscurious side projects which will never be anything impacting. <a href="/wiki/User:Hugo.arg" title="User:Hugo.arg">Hugo.arg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hugo.arg" title="User talk:Hugo.arg">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z"></span>The week-long test was stopped by one of our bureaucrats who disagreed after the test was started but not before and instituted his own solution. Regarding the lt, I used words and phrases as they appear on other lt sites such as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lt:Pagrindinis_puslapis" class="extiw" title="w:lt:Pagrindinis puslapis">Vikipedija</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z-Hugo.arg-2017-07-27T09:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z"></span>The apparent effects are only dramatic for the smaller lt projects. Nine of the 14 showed sharp spikes upward on the 26th, the first test day. Each was much more than my one visit to go to the Page information. The larger ones: lt.wikipedia, lt.wiktionary, lt.wikiquotes, lt.wikibooks, and lt.wikisource, showed only slight upward trends. The most dramatic gain was to the lt.Incubator (9.3 %) upwards from 2.3 %, second highest was Betawikiversity (3.9 %) off a previous -0.8 % trend. Although the statistics are far short of what was needed, it does appear that advertising on en.Wikiversity was beneficial! --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 29 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-28T23:15:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z"></span>The test for the 27th was cut off at 14:55 UTC. The lt.wikiversity jumped upward by 29 %! The lt.incubator was up by 13 %! Betawikiversity was up 3.6 %! The five major lt projects continued as before or were flat to slightly downward. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T01:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"></span>The results for the 28th are mixed. The major lt projects: lt.wikipedia, lt.wiktionary, lt.wikiquotes, lt.wikibooks, and lt.wikisource, showed no real change for individual days on the 30 day graphs. The lt.wikiversity showed a sharp spike downward in contrast to the 26th and 27th. Lt.wikivoyage continued its sharp upward spike as did lt.wikispecies and lt.incubator main page. Lt.Mediawiki showed a sharp downward spike as did Betawikiversity and lt.wikinews. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T01:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T01:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T01:20:00.000Z-Marshallsumter-2017-07-29T00:59:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T02:14:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps the more significant effects of the test are</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ol><li>the presence of the Betawikiversity logo on en. wikiversity Main Page correlated with the test suggesting that adding the project logo to our Sister projects section helps and will help the fledgling wikiversities,</li> <li>adding the Incubator logo may have little effect generally for the project but may encourage individual projects, and</li> <li>the current list where lt.wikiversity is included in Other does not benefit those wikiversities in this category. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marshallsumter" title="User:Marshallsumter">Marshallsumter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marshallsumter" title="User talk:Marshallsumter">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T02:14:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T02:14:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marshallsumter-2017-07-30T02:14:00.000Z-StevenJ81-2017-07-13T15:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Hindi_Wikiversity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hindi_Wikiversity-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hindi_Wikiversity-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z"></span>Hindi Wikiversity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hindi_Wikiversity-Is_something_keeping_good_small_WVs_from_being_approved_and_founded?-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z"></span></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Hindi Wikiversity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765" class="extiw" title="phab:T168765"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"></span>The Phabricator task</a> on Hindi Wikiversity is <s>closed as "resolved", but we are still <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/hi:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%AF:%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A0" class="extiw" title="v:hi:विकिविद्यालय:मुखपृष्ठ">awaiting transwiki process</a> of <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A0">the test site</a> to be completed. Nearly two months after task was created, we have a newer Wikiversity... yet incomplete. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T01:37:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"></span> Never mind. The task is reopened. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z-Hindi_Wikiversity"></span></p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Gosh. The wiki exists and is being edited by the community. Technicalities always need to be sorted out when a new wiki is created; there is no need to spam this page, which is not related to it, continuously with updates about that. --<small><a href="/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" title="User:MF-Warburg">MF-W</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-08-10T04:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T18:34:00.000Z-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z"></span>Don't worry. I wasn't spamming, but I'll post just one more update about hi.wv. I struck out most of the pre-update post. I saw the pages transwiki-ed into the official hi.wv. This reaffirms my "oppose" vote. Two months isn't that long enough to change my position about this proposal. I still believe in (the powers of) Beta Wikiversity, despite what others think about it (unless the majority becomes overwhelming to handle). I heard that there were issues with Beta versions before transwiki-ing the pages, especially hi.wv, but I hope that's sorted out without merging Beta WV into Incubator. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2#c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T18:34:00.000Z-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T18:34:00.000Z-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-08-10T18:34:00.000Z-MF-Warburg-2017-08-10T15:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Footnotes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Footnotes"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Footnotes"></span>Footnotes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Footnotes"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator_2&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Footnotes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <small><div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Concerning fair-use images: Regardless of whether Wikipedias and Wikiversities "may" have fair-use images, it is unquestionably true that per WMF rules a project must have an <a href="/wiki/Exemption_Doctrine_Policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Exemption Doctrine Policy">Exemption Doctrine Policy</a> in place for that to happen. The only Wikiversity that has one right now is <a href="/wiki/Non-free_content#Wikiversity" title="Non-free content">English Wikiversity</a>. Consequently, the image files currently on Beta WV are technically outside policy. Incubator also does not have an EDP. Therefore, we would not allow Beta WV's current images to be imported. 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