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ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Meta-Wiki_Welcome-2012-07-12T04:23:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!">12 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="lang-en" lang="en" style="color:black"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meta-Wiki_Welcome-2012-07-12T04:23:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!"></span>Hello, George Ho. Welcome to the <b>Wikimedia <a href="/wiki/Meta:About_Meta" class="mw-redirect" title="Meta:About Meta">Meta-Wiki</a></b>! This website is for coordinating and discussing all <a href="/wiki/Complete_list_of_Wikimedia_projects" title="Complete list of Wikimedia projects">Wikimedia projects</a>. You may find it useful to read our <a href="/wiki/Meta:Policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Meta:Policy">policy page</a>. If you are interested in doing translations, visit <a href="/wiki/Meta:Babylon" title="Meta:Babylon">Meta:Babylon</a>. You can also leave a note on <a href="/wiki/Meta:Babel" title="Meta:Babel">Meta:Babel</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum" title="Wikimedia Forum">Wikimedia Forum</a> (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing! </p> </div> </div> <p>-- <a href="/wiki/User:Meta-Wiki_Welcome" title="User:Meta-Wiki Welcome">Meta-Wiki Welcome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meta-Wiki_Welcome" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Meta-Wiki Welcome">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Meta-Wiki_Welcome-2012-07-12T04:23:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meta-Wiki_Welcome-2012-07-12T04:23:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meta-Wiki_Welcome-2012-07-12T04:23:00.000Z-Welcome_to_Meta!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notification" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notification-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notification-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Notification<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notification-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Notification"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z-Notification"></span>Hello, if I will make any statement <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extreme_abuses_at_the_Romanian_Wikipedia">here</a>, everything what I will say will be twisted by <a href="/wiki/User:Ark25" title="User:Ark25">Ark25</a>. We have had debates regarding his behaviour for over three years, and I incline to stay away from any additional discussions with this user. He was banned from ro.wp for flooding the project's pages with external links from newspapers, magazines, tabloids, etc, without carrying if an external link is appropriate or not for a particular subject. <a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reclama%C8%9Bii/Arhiv%C4%83/2016#Ark25" class="extiw" title="ro:Wikipedia:Reclamații/Arhivă/2016">This is the real reason</a>, and even on this Request for Comments, it is clear, that he refuses to get the point. </p><p>Please do not move this comment on that page, as I do not want to get involved again in a non-sense discussion. I wrote to you out of courtesy. Take care,––<a href="/wiki/User:Silenzio76" title="User:Silenzio76">Silenzio76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silenzio76" title="User talk:Silenzio76">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z-Notification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z-Notification"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z-Notification"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"></span>Beeblebrox</a>, what to do about the above comment? May I copy and paste this? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T20:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z"></span>No. You may not. I made it very clear that I do not want to be part of that discussion. I would really appreciate if you would respect this request.--<a href="/wiki/User:Silenzio76" title="User:Silenzio76">Silenzio76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silenzio76" title="User talk:Silenzio76">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silenzio76-2017-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-03-23T21:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z"></span><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3eYV41D4SlhmTTn">Inspire Campaign survey on outreach to outside knowledge networks</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Inspire Campaign survey on outreach to outside knowledge networks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3eYV41D4SlhmTTn" rel="nofollow"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png/100px-Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="155" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png/150px-Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png/200px-Inspire_Campaign_Knowledge_Networks_Logo.png 2x" data-file-width="1572" data-file-height="2444"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Thanks for your participation during the <a href="/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire" title="Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire">Inspire Campaign focused on outreach to outside knowledge networks</a> from February 2017. I'm interested in hearing your experience during the campaign, so if you're able, <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3eYV41D4SlhmTTn">I invite you to complete this brief survey</a></b> to describe how you contributed to the campaign and how you felt about participating. I want to improve how campaigns are run, so let me know if there's something that could be done better for next time. </p><p>Please feel free to let me know on my talk page if you have any questions about the campaign or the survey. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)" title="User:I JethroBT (WMF)">I JethroBT (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_JethroBT_(WMF)" title="User talk:I JethroBT (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T18:34:00.000Z-Inspire_Campaign_survey_on_outreach_to_outside_knowledge_networks"></span> </p><p><small><i>(<a href="/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Users/Addressing_harassment" title="Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Users/Addressing harassment">Opt-out instructions</a>)</i></small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Survey_link_error_fixed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey_link_error_fixed-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey_link_error_fixed-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z"></span>Survey link error fixed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey_link_error_fixed-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Survey link error fixed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z-Survey_link_error_fixed">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z-Survey_link_error_fixed"></span>Hi there, there was a error with the Inspire survey link that caused the survey to be shown as expired, but has now been fixed. The link in the above message should now bring you to the survey. Apologies, <a href="/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)" title="User:I JethroBT (WMF)">I JethroBT (WMF)</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z-Survey_link_error_fixed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z-Survey_link_error_fixed"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_JethroBT_(WMF)-2017-03-31T19:20:00.000Z-Survey_link_error_fixed"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z"></span>Notifying Albanian Wikipedia community<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Notifying Albanian Wikipedia community"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ktrimi991-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktrimi991-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community"></span>Hi George Ho, I read your concern here [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta_talk:Babylon&diff=16595023&oldid=16585837">[1]</a>]. You can easily notify or talk with other users in Shqip Wikipedia in English. You can contact certain editors if you find it easier. You can also contact me, on my talk here, on Shqip or English Wikipedia. Emailing me is an option too. Best. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ktrimi991&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ktrimi991 (page does not exist)">Ktrimi991</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktrimi991" title="User talk:Ktrimi991">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Ktrimi991-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 17 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktrimi991-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktrimi991-2017-04-17T13:33:00.000Z-Notifying_Albanian_Wikipedia_community"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z"></span>Please close Iloko Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Please close Iloko Wikipedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia"></span>The Ilocano Wikipedia has more about languages than the others. Please close this wiki because this is only used by about languages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga" title="User:Cyrus noto3at bulaga">Cyrus noto3at bulaga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga" title="User talk:Cyrus noto3at bulaga">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 7 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cyrus_noto3at_bulaga-2017-05-07T02:31:00.000Z-Please_close_Iloko_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Wikimedia_Forum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z"></span>Re: <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum" title="Wikimedia Forum">Wikimedia Forum</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Re: Wikimedia Forum"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum"></span>IMHO not. There isn't a significant disruption, while inability to have discussions with everyone would be terrible. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-05T06:03:00.000Z-Re:_Wikimedia_Forum"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_entry" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_entry-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_entry-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"></span>The entry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_entry-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: The entry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-12T21:33:00.000Z-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z-The_entry"></span>Thank you George. You're perfectly free to correct it. <a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z-The_entry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z-The_entry"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z-The_entry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-12T21:33:00.000Z-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I don't know the enwiki Project namespace (those policies, guidelines, essays, other stuff). That's why I made that mistake. I fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-12T21:33:00.000Z-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-12T21:33:00.000Z-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-12T21:33:00.000Z-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-06-07T21:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"><span id="Talk:Strategy.2FWikimedia_movement.2F2017.2FCycle_3.23Encyclopedic_model"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model" title="Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017/Cycle 3">Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T22:01:00.000Z-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model"></span>Do you think your comment is useful? For whom? And why? Of course there might be any number of additional or alternative projects. But I happen to like Wikipedia and enjoy contributing. And I'd like to remind WMF that the happy readers of our Wikipedia are paying their salaries, so they should not cut the branch they are sitting on. If they want to start something new, they should expect to look for new contributors, because we - the community - are self selected encyclopedia nerds. And many if not most of us will not suddenly convert to video tutorial creators or build and fill a database for the semantic web that does not use full sentences, paragraphs and articles. --<a href="/wiki/User:H-stt" title="User:H-stt">h-stt</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:H-stt" title="User talk:H-stt"><small>!?</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z-Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Cycle_3#Encyclopedic_model"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"></span>I sent you a reply there. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z-H-stt-2017-07-05T14:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z"></span>From me also: Thanks for Your care and mail, but comments like "Umm... we know that Wikimedia ≠ Wikipedia, Magiers, right?" are not necessary and will drive me out of further conversations. --<a href="/wiki/User:Magiers" title="User:Magiers">Magiers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magiers" title="User talk:Magiers">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-05T18:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T22:01:00.000Z-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span>I struck out opening sentence, <a href="/wiki/User:Magiers" title="User:Magiers">Magiers</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T22:01:00.000Z-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T22:01:00.000Z-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-05T22:01:00.000Z-Magiers-2017-07-05T21:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z"></span>re: RFC discussions about Arabic Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: re: RFC discussions about Arabic Wikipedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-عباد_ديرانية-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-عباد_ديرانية-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia"></span>Hello George. I am sorry for being late on this (I am not really using my volunteer account much lately, and it is also a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Fitr" class="extiw" title="w:Eid al-Fitr">busy time</a> of the year for us). Anyway, thank you for notifying me on this. It seems one of the two requests is already closed, I will check on the other, which seems to be a little long, and see if I have something useful to contribute. As for the elections thing: it is totally alright, I did not really expect to win, but I liked the experience :) I am probably not going to explore other opportunities, though. Hopefully, someone else will --<a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9" title="User:عباد ديرانية">Abbad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9" title="User talk:عباد ديرانية">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-عباد_ديرانية-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-عباد_ديرانية-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-عباد_ديرانية-2017-07-07T12:38:00.000Z-re:_RFC_discussions_about_Arabic_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Re: Need update on Cycle 3 in local wikis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Re: Need update on Cycle 3 in local wikis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis"></span>It's up to local coordinators when they decide to update respective pages and inform communities. For example, I needed to take a day off, that's why I'm updating today. The question about dewiki should be directed to Gereon. </p><p>Btw, on enwiki and other sites I deal with, I don't hide the Cycle 1 insights and references, so both of the existing challenges can be discussed. Similarly, in the third week of July, Challenge 2 will be visible by default, so two days earlier or later should make no difference. Additionally, AFAIK, challenge 3 and 4 materials should show up earlier (on Wednesdays or Thursdays), and the coordinators will have more time to prepare. <a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 11 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-07-11T12:49:00.000Z-Re:_Need_update_on_Cycle_3_in_local_wikis"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"></span>Abuse at Romanian Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Abuse at Romanian Wikipedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-George_Ho-2017-07-25T00:38:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>14 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed collapse-mobile"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-25T00:38:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r22504001">.mw-parser-output .collapse-mobile>.mw-collapsible-toggle{background:#efefef;float:none;text-align:left;font-size:1.2em;color:#000;border:2px solid #fff;user-select:unset}html.client-js .mw-parser-output div.collapse-mobile::before{content:none}.mw-parser-output .collapse-mobile-toggletext{float:right;font-size:smaller}.mw-parser-output .collapse-mobile>.mw-collapsible-content>div{background:#f7f7f7;border:4px solid #fff;font-size:1.2em;color:#000;padding:10px;margin-top:-3px;border-top:inset;clear:right}</style><div class="mw-collapsible-toggle toccolours" style=""> Please continue at <a href="/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extreme_abuses_at_the_Romanian_Wikipedia" title="Requests for comment/Extreme abuses at the Romanian Wikipedia">Requests for comment/Extreme abuses at the Romanian Wikipedia</a> if you may. Thanks. BTW, Ark25, no worries. But as said, continue there. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-25T00:38:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)</a> <span class="collapse-mobile-toggletext">(click to expand or collapse)<span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-25T00:38:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-25T00:38:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span></div> <div class="mw-collapsible-content"> <div style=""><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span>Hey George Ho, I find that this <a href="/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extreme_abuses_at_the_Romanian_Wikipedia" title="Requests for comment/Extreme abuses at the Romanian Wikipedia">Requests for comment/Extreme abuses at the Romanian Wikipedia</a> is extremely political, I can't help but to think you are about to find yourself mired with trouble, are you fine?--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;"><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">AldNonymous</a></font><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aldnonymous" title="User talk:Aldnonymous">Bicara?</a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"></span>AldNonymous</a>... may you please explain how I'm in "trouble"? Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span>I have experience dealing with case like this at id.wp (about Minang people, etc), what you got is actually Silenzio76 personal hatred for Moldovan-Romanian related cases, secondly despite his bias he hate (serious hate) about hoax medicine like herbalism and stuff (The stuff that Ark25 writes), combine the two and put it in Ark25, voila!, I now can understand all this personal hatred from Silenzio76 for Ark25, I suspect Silenzio76 knows Ark25 IRL, this causes the hate. Not to mention Ark25 is wikidragon (again, similar to Indonesian Wikipedia problem with our own wikidragon Erik Fastman-we hate this guy so we vote this guy to become an admin, and now id.wp got extra 100K articles out of nowhere, problem solved lol), this was old school case about high content, low patrol, politically fueled content. Now about you on this case, the problem is about you being in the center of this, when you support one side and condemn the others you will be hated by the other side, you are in for a long-long arduous wikihounding. Though on other note, want some help?--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;"><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">AldNonymous</a></font><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aldnonymous" title="User talk:Aldnonymous">Bicara?</a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Silenzio76-2017-07-20T09:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"></span>AldNonymous</a>, <b>hate</b> is a strong word, I could assure you that I don't hate, so far, anything in life. :). All the best, --<a href="/wiki/User:Silenzio76" title="User:Silenzio76">Silenzio76</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silenzio76" title="User talk:Silenzio76">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Silenzio76-2017-07-20T09:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Silenzio76-2017-07-20T09:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Silenzio76-2017-07-20T09:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"></span>All right... Please help yourself there. Meanwhile, what to do with newly created <a href="/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/2017_issues_on_Romanian_Wikipedia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia (page does not exist)">Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">AldNonymous</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T22:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Ahem, I was actually saying (implicitly) to help you pull out from those cases and leave it alone, but well, since you are thinking about actually wanting to help, I can give some opinion, about <a href="/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/2017_issues_on_Romanian_Wikipedia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia (page does not exist)">Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia</a>. First what you must do is to never compare en.wp with any small Wikipedia if you never have experience dealing with legacy wikipedia (Wikipedia that exist by Jimmy wales approval and exist long before meta wikimedia even exist). In the old times 'crat and admins enjoy big privileges and can do almost anything on their wiki, and this has become a local custom, not even people from meta can change this. Second, since you can't resolve this, ask steward for opinion at <a href="/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard" title="Stewards' noticeboard">Stewards' noticeboard</a>.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;"><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">AldNonymous</a></font><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aldnonymous" title="User talk:Aldnonymous">Bicara?</a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:16:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span>No, no.... If I can't compare, then... I'll withdraw that "2017" page. Is that fine, <a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">Aldnonymous</a>? Also, I thought I could facilitate well because I didn't understand much. However, I guess you want me out of the RFCs, right? If that's it, well... How can you get me out of the cases and let them flow? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:16:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:16:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:16:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:19:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span>Also, you're saying that I should not mention "PROD", right? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:19:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:19:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-19T23:19:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T00:31:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span>On second thought, I've been thinking, <a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">Aldnonymous</a>. If you know so much about those two, why do you think I would be getting myself into trouble? Why not go into the ongoing RFC and make a statement there? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T00:31:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T00:31:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T00:31:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-20T00:36:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span>First, just never bring en.wp rules to other smaller Wikipedia, those local communities will taking it wrongly. Second, it's because I know so much about stuff like these I avoid it like avoiding a plague, it's never end until one of the sides is blocked permanently and globally.--<font style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #FF0000; color: #ffffff;"><a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">AldNonymous</a></font><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aldnonymous" title="User talk:Aldnonymous">Bicara?</a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-20T00:36:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-20T00:36:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aldnonymous-2017-07-20T00:36:00.000Z-Aldnonymous-2017-07-19T23:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T01:12:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span>I requested deletion on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/2017_issues_on_Romanian_Wikipedia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia (page does not exist)">Requests for comment/2017 issues on Romanian Wikipedia</a> as comparison between en.wp and ro.wp, <a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">Aldnonymous</a>. Is that fine? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T01:12:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T01:12:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-20T01:12:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span> </p><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aldnonymous" title="User:Aldnonymous">Aldnonymous</a>:</span> it is not my job to interfere in the decision-making process, but let me tell you that this is not a personal hatred of Silenzio76 against Ark25. The fact that he explained the reasons for a decision taken at ro.wiki does not mean he hates someone, but only that he explained the reasons for that decision - including on behalf of others. On the contrary, it was one of us who tried most to talk with Ark25 before it was blocked. --<a href="/wiki/User:Accipiter_Q._Gentilis" title="User:Accipiter Q. Gentilis">Accipiter Q. Gentilis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accipiter_Q._Gentilis" title="User talk:Accipiter Q. Gentilis">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)</a> P.S. There is a story about a soldier and an emperor. The soldier told the king bad news, and the king cut off his head because the news was not good news. So Silenzio76 is like that soldier, why should we cut his head because we don't like the news he brought ?<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z-Abuse_at_Romanian_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ark25-2017-07-25T00:28:00.000Z-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z"></span>Sorry to interfere. I don't know <a href="/wiki/User:Silenzio76" title="User:Silenzio76">Silenzio76</a> in real life and he doesn't know me either. There is no hate involved here. There is some huge despise involved though, and that all comes from <a href="/wiki/User:Pafsanias" title="User:Pafsanias">Pafsanias</a> towards me - he is probably still a bit too young, I guess. But there is also some serious disliking against me as the recent storm against me clearly showed a wave of uncontrolled fury. Silenzio76 is totally convinced that I'm disruptive and a troll and that I'm clearly defective beyond repair but he tries to stay calm and without emotions - you don't have to hate the bug, just to squash it. He just doesn't understand that the people have the right to answer the accusations against themselves. He really doesn't understand that nobody is above the law. He is an admin, and he is convinced that he is always right simply because he has the power. The rules do not apply for him. He can bend the rules and as he pleases in order to serve his purposes. How can you obey something that it's your creation and that is below your level? It's a mindset where it's all about level and status, probably coming from a highly patriarchal/parochial/hierarchical attitude. And this attitude generates all the rest of the errors he is making: you have no right to answer the accusations, you must only say positive things about the accusations, you are not allowed to believe in this or that, you are not allowed to disagree, insulting-cursing-screaming towards you are the right way to deal with you (since you are so disruptive because he dislikes you), blocking you for edits made with years or decades before is absolutely fine and so on.</dd> <dd>As for me, I don't believe that I have an inflexible position. I just want to have a restricted user - one edit per month. If that's too much, then one edit per year. I really can't see how can I be more flexible than that. Shall I apply for one edit per decade maybe? Then how about an edit every 30 years? What else should I do in order to prove that I am willing to compromise? They have to remove their inflexible position in order to make any communication possible, because they keep claiming that they did absolutely nothing wrong. In case they will allow me to have a restricted user, then they will block me whenever they want, for whatever reason they want. So they must adjust their attitude quite a little bit.</dd> <dd>Indeed, I created articles about pseudoscience, and I quoted various fancy claims. I haven't promoted those claims, I just quoted them. Quoting fancy claims provides a good reference, showing to the reader to see that all kind of fancy claims were made since years and years ago. Many times the charlatans are simply repeating fancy claims made before, speculating the fact that the public is not even aware that the same claims were made 5,10,50 or 100 years ago. So I really believe that my work is actually doing a good job against pseudoscience. But strangely, these admins believe that I somehow desire to promote pseudoscience. They claim that I should dismantle those fancy claims, by proving them wrong. Well, I would like to be able to do that, but many times nobody in the scientific community bothers to prove that those fancy claims are wrong, so I have no references to use in order to dismantle such fancy claims. At the English Wikipedia there is no such request to dismantle fancy claims and you can simply quote what the "extraordinary people" declare.</dd> <dd>I really don't belive that, if George Ho or anyone else takes sides, they will be haunted by anyone. I was strictly naming those people were part of the storm against me and launched a lot of strange and comical accusations against me. There are others who are on their side, who dislike me simply as an effect of the waves made by this conflict. In short, as long as you take sides but you don't come with strange accusations against me, I'm not going to react. The other side will probably react very similar.</dd> <dd>But in any case, <b>I think this Romanian Wikipedia underlines a bigger Wikipedia issue</b>: The small Wikipedias have small communities, incapable to solve such issues. Therefore, the rule that says that small Wikipedias should handle themselves is completely broken. It's like asking an infant to handle himself - an impossibility. Such a rule sounds nice, it looks clear, quintessential and wonderful - but it simply doesn't make sense for the small communities. The admins there tend to become abusive because the Wikipedia project keeps in place a broken rule, pure in form but devoid of meaning.</dd> <dd>And I really don't believe in the solution proposed by AldNonymous, to block one side permanently and globally. This issue doesn't spill on mine activity nor on their activity on French or Spanish or German Wkikipedia. If there will be no solution for me, then at very least this complaint will make the abusive admins think again before doing such things again to someone else. The people who will experience the things that I experienced will be encouraged to come forward and to defend themselves. It can also build towards a better understanding of the inner workings of small Wikipedias. Many positive outcomes.</dd> <dd>Sorry for the long answer. — <a href="/wiki/User:Ark25" title="User:Ark25"><b><span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff"> Ark25 </span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ark25" title="User talk:Ark25">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Ark25-2017-07-25T00:28:00.000Z-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ark25-2017-07-25T00:28:00.000Z-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ark25-2017-07-25T00:28:00.000Z-Accipiter_Q._Gentilis-2017-07-20T09:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Short_explanation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Short_explanation-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Short_explanation-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"></span>Short explanation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Short_explanation-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Short explanation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Srdjan_m-2017-07-26T11:07:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z-Short_explanation"></span>Before You engage in something <a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Hard_line_nationalism_on_the_Croatian_Wikipedia&diff=16845357&oldid=16143359">[2]</a>, ask the people concerned. <br/> A vandal has sexually harassed our female user with this message <a class="external autonumber" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Razgovor_sa_suradnicom%3ARoberta_F.%2FArhiv_23&diff=prev&oldid=1827714">[3]</a> ("invitation" for fellatio), and that bully still shamelessly dares to complain, hiding his dirty behaviour under alleged "blocking because of his nationality". <a href="/wiki/User:Kubura" title="User:Kubura">Kubura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kubura" title="User talk:Kubura">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z-Short_explanation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z-Short_explanation"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z-Short_explanation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"></span>All right, <a href="/wiki/User:Kubura" title="User:Kubura">Kubura</a>. I'll ask people first before doing something. But why before making an edit there? As for that edit, that happened in 2009, eight years ago. How would that hold up well? --<a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T07:06:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"></span>We must protect women against such verbal violence. Saying such things ("come and suck ...") is not just NSFW, but a prompt firing. Am I wrong? Ask the women for the opinion. Ask the women from the Board of Trustees <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees">[4]</a>: how would they react to a such message?</dd> <dd>Personally, I am now even more concerned that I did the wright thing. That harasser not only insulted the woman, but also he showed no feeling of guilt for his behaviour, and even more, he finds the targeted/victim population as the aggressor! He pushes aside his act, "it's never problem with him, it's always the others".</dd> <dd>Man, even the congresmens' and senators' careers are endangered if they say something like that ("come and suck my ...."). <a href="/wiki/User:Kubura" title="User:Kubura">Kubura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kubura" title="User talk:Kubura">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Kubura-2017-07-26T07:06:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T07:06:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T07:06:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Srdjan_m-2017-07-26T11:07:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"></span>I hope you were being sarcastic when you said "I'll ask people first before doing something". You don't need anyone's permission to engage in any discussion. – <a href="/wiki/User:Srdjan_m" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Srdjan m">Srdjan m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srdjan_m" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Srdjan m">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Srdjan_m-2017-07-26T11:07:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Srdjan_m-2017-07-26T11:07:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Srdjan_m-2017-07-26T11:07:00.000Z-George_Ho-2017-07-26T06:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Few_advices" data-mw-thread-id="h-Few_advices-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Few_advices-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z"></span>Few advices<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Few_advices-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Few advices"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z-Few_advices">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z-Few_advices"></span>Hello, George. When talking about something, please, ask the users concerned. This page <a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Administrator_abuse_on_the_Croatian_Wikipedia&diff=next&oldid=17033250">[5]</a> or similar topics always activate approximately few weeks before the anniversary of Croatian liberatory military operation Oluja. These days every year in Croatian media there is a ongoing fight among politicians, journalists, publicists and others about that topic. Accusations and stuff.<br/> Especially recent years: last year about this time a cardinal (<a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alojzije_Stepinac" class="extiw" title="hr:Alojzije Stepinac">hr:Alojzije Stepinac</a>) has been fully rehabilitated on the court, this year the chairman of Croatian national cultural society <a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Lukas" class="extiw" title="hr:Filip Lukas">hr:Filip Lukas</a>. Both were condemned on the Yugoslav Communist court. Last year about this time also a monument to a Croatian revolutionary was revealed (<a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miro_Bare%C5%A1i%C4%87" class="extiw" title="hr:Miro Barešić">hr:Miro Barešić</a>), with the presence of the representatives of Croatian Government. <br/> The "left" and "Yugoslavia-restaration" activists are very active these days. These days started the discussion about the oath of the Croatian President: should the "so help me God" be in that oath or not. The activists pushed thing so far that Constitutional court had to say that that part is not opposing to the Constitution.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://vijesti.hrt.hr/398072/tako-mi-bog-pomogao-nije-suprotno-ustavu">[6]</a> ('Tako mi Bog pomogao' nije suprotno Ustavu), July 25, 2017<br/> When the activists attack, they choose no means, behaving :"The heavier the accusation, the better". I so this message. That "white washed fascist movement symbol"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Hard_line_nationalism_on_the_Croatian_Wikipedia&diff=14741342&oldid=14741335">[7]</a> (as VS6507 wrote on 04:45, 21 November 2015; BTW VS6507 is permanently blocked for harassing female colleague with "come and suck my ....") is a regular symbol Croatian national TV. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hrt.hr/static/v2/img/logo2.png">[8]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hrt.hr/">[9]</a> (in the corner up left) Have a look. <br/> Please, don't allow yourself that vandals pull You by the nose. They are wasting Your precious time. Please, don't allow that discontents misguide and misinform You. <a href="/wiki/User:Kubura" title="User:Kubura">Kubura</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kubura" title="User talk:Kubura">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z-Few_advices" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z-Few_advices"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kubura-2017-07-26T06:56:00.000Z-Few_advices"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction-2017-08-08T08:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction-2017-08-08T08:06:00.000Z"></span>Re: Informing all communities onwiki about the draft of the Direction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction-2017-08-08T08:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Re: Informing all communities onwiki about the draft of the Direction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-08-08T08:06:00.000Z-Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-2017-08-08T08:06:00.000Z-Re:_Informing_all_communities_onwiki_about_the_draft_of_the_Direction"></span>Yes, they should and they will. I waited for an official info about the launch, and after Katherine's post on mailing lists, today (imho) can count as day 1. I'll send messages to village pumps on many mid-sized wikis. 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I just wanted to let you know that this year’s survey is now open for proposals. You can suggest technical changes until 11 November: <a href="/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019" title="Community Wishlist Survey 2019">Community Wishlist Survey 2019</a>. </p><p>You can vote from November 16 to November 30. To keep the number of messages at a reasonable level, I won’t send out a separate reminder to you about that. /<a href="/wiki/User:Johan_(WMF)" title="User:Johan (WMF)">Johan (WMF)</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Johan_(WMF)-2018-10-30T11:24:00.000Z-The_Community_Wishlist_Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 30 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johan_(WMF)-2018-10-30T11:24:00.000Z-The_Community_Wishlist_Survey"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johan_(WMF)-2018-10-30T11:24:00.000Z-The_Community_Wishlist_Survey"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Potential copyright infringement at Bosnian Wikipedia!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Potential copyright infringement at Bosnian Wikipedia!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-George_Ho-2019-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!"></span>Hi George Ho! If I can ask you to investigate a potential copyright infringement on bs. wikipedia. This is the article "<a href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Golubi%C4%87" class="extiw" title="bs:Mustafa Golubić">bs:Mustafa Golubić</a>". We have a match of <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=bs&project=wikipedia&title=Mustafa+Golubi%C4%87&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1">75.7%</a>! Administrators do not respond to my requests and I ask you to warn them. Thanks in advance. -<a href="/wiki/User:Golden_Bosnian_Lily" title="User:Golden Bosnian Lily">Golden Bosnian Lily</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Golden_Bosnian_Lily" title="User talk:Golden Bosnian Lily">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z-Potential_copyright_infringement_at_Bosnian_Wikipedia!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2019-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Golden_Bosnian_Lily" title="User:Golden Bosnian Lily">Lily</a>. I see the attempt made at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bs:Razgovor:Mustafa_Golubi%C4%87" class="extiw" title="w:bs:Razgovor:Mustafa Golubić">w:bs:Razgovor:Mustafa Golubić</a>. You may want to contact <a class="external text" href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posebno:ListaKorisnika?username=&group=sysop&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50">one of admins</a>, like either C3r4 or AnToni (especially by looking at <a class="external text" href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustafa_Golubi%C4%87&action=history">history log</a>), for intervention by <a href="/wiki/Stewards" title="Stewards">stewards</a>. BTW, I compared <u><a class="external text" href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustafa_Golubi%C4%87&oldid=2977997">this revision</a> (different from <a class="external text" href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustafa_Golubi%C4%87&oldid=2279345">the previous</a></u>) with the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://blog.b92.net/text/27917/Prin%C4%8Devi%20i%20golje%20%28O%20gradona%C4%8Delniku%20Kosti%20Kumanudiju%29/?page=3">original source</a>. Since the original source went first, someone should be done about the content. Nevertheless, let's not get too rash to make a decision. Because Bosnian Wikipedia have active admins, here's what the passage from <a href="/wiki/Steward_requests/Miscellaneous" title="Steward requests/Miscellaneous">Steward requests/Miscellaneous</a> says: "<span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa); color:var(--color-success,#14866d);">If the wiki does have active administrators, file the request with one of them.</span>" <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2019-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 22 January 2019 (UTC)</a>; edited, 04:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2019-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2019-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-Golden_Bosnian_Lily-2019-01-21T21:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span>About my edit to the branding headline<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: About my edit to the branding headline"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T22:28:00.000Z-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a>, thanks for helping spread the word about the branding community consultation by posting to the Meta-Wiki Main Page. It was a great idea to put the announcement there. </p><p>I have edited the headline to make it consistent with the <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-February/091887.html">project announcement</a>. Just for your reference, the proposal actually does not recommend name changes for the projects, except for Wikimedia Commons, which it recommends shortening to WikiCommons to match other project naming conventions. The idea of the "a Wikipedia project" tagline is a minor note and not the core of the proposal. This is explained in <a href="/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/project_summary" class="mw-redirect" title="Communications/Wikimedia brands/2030 research and planning/project summary">the project summary</a>. </p><p>Thanks again for helping to foster a productive discussion around these ideas. Feel free to ping me to talk further. <a href="/wiki/User:ELappen_(WMF)" title="User:ELappen (WMF)">ELappen (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ELappen_(WMF)" title="User talk:ELappen (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z-About_my_edit_to_the_branding_headline"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:56:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span>One question, <a href="/wiki/User:ELappen_(WMF)" title="User:ELappen (WMF)">Ms. Lappen</a>. The mobile view doesn't show much of the Meta's main page content, so the mobile viewers won't see the announcements there. What can be done about the issue? <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:56:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:56:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:56:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span>Another question: What about posting the central banner about the rebranding on most, if not all, wiki sites? <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T20:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T22:28:00.000Z-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z"></span>Yes, viewing the content on mobile is definitely an issue. There are multiple projects that want to update the main page design for this and other reasons. <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal">French Wikipedia did an interesting overhaul recently</a>, that looks pretty good on mobile and may be of interest. I'd suggest writing on the main page's talk page to see if you can spark some discussions around this!</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>And that's a great question re: a central banner. We've discussed it and see some pros and some cons. Feel free to add that as a section on the talk page and we can see what others think! I'd be curious about people's thoughts. --<a href="/wiki/User:ELappen_(WMF)" title="User:ELappen (WMF)">ELappen (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ELappen_(WMF)" title="User talk:ELappen (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T22:28:00.000Z-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T22:28:00.000Z-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ELappen_(WMF)-2019-03-15T22:28:00.000Z-George_Ho-2019-03-15T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_script_to_access_other_watchlists" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_script_to_access_other_watchlists"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_script_to_access_other_watchlists"></span>User script to access other watchlists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_script_to_access_other_watchlists"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: User script to access other watchlists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi George Ho, </p><p>If you remember, you participated in the 2019 Community Wishlist Survey, including the discussion for reviving "Crosswatch" to allow for cross-wiki watchlists (<a href="/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Watchlists/Revive_Crosswatch_tool" title="Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Watchlists/Revive Crosswatch tool">Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Watchlists/Revive Crosswatch tool</a>). </p><p>I sent you this <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MassMessage" class="extiw" title="m:MassMessage">MassMessage</a> because I wanted to let you know that I have made a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Wikipedia:User_Script" class="extiw" title="w:en:Wikipedia:User Script">user script</a> to make accessing your watchlists on different wikis easier, since for now that wishlist item has not been actioned. </p><p>The way it works is that, on any wiki, when you look at your watchlist, there is a button labeled "CA" that takes you to the <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/George_Ho" title="Special:CentralAuth/George Ho">CentralAuth</a> page for you. There, when looking at your own information, each link to a wiki ("meta.wikimedia.org", "www.wikidata.org", "de.wikipedia.org", etc.) is changed so that it links to your watchlist <i>on that wiki</i>. </p><p>If you are interested in using it, just add <code>mw.loader.load('//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:DannyS712/Watchlist.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');</code> to your <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/global.js" title="Special:MyPage/global.js">global javascript page</a>. This imports the code at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:DannyS712/Watchlist.js" class="extiw" title="m:User:DannyS712/Watchlist.js">m:User:DannyS712/Watchlist.js</a>. </p><p>If you want to learn more, there is documentation for the script available at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:User:DannyS712/Watchlist" class="extiw" title="w:en:User:DannyS712/Watchlist">w:en:User:DannyS712/Watchlist</a>. If you would like to discuss the script, talk to me at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DannyS712" class="extiw" title="m:User talk:DannyS712">m:User talk:DannyS712</a>. </p><p>Thanks, --05:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Opinion request about a disagreement in the Bulgarian Wikinews<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Opinion request about a disagreement in the Bulgarian Wikinews"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-George_Ho-2019-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews"></span>Moved discussion from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:User_talk:George_Ho#Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews" class="extiw" title="w:en:User talk:George Ho">w:en:User talk:George Ho#Opinion request about a disagreement in the Bulgarian Wikinews</a></small></dd></dl> <p>I see that <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Voting_in_bg.wikinews_by_non-contributors" class="extiw" title="m:Requests for comment/Voting in bg.wikinews by non-contributors">you are aware of the disagreement</a>. There is also a verbose discussion at <a href="https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/bg:%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8:%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5#Премахване_на_новините_от_speshno.info" class="extiw" title="n:bg:Уикиновини:Гласуване">the voting page in the Bulgarian Wikinews</a>. </p><p>We in the Bulgarian Wikinews cannot achieve agreement on two topics about this voting. I see that you have suggested filing a request at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SRM" class="extiw" title="m:SRM">m:SRM</a>. Is that your suggestion, or you would prefer some other? Also, I will value highly your opinion on that, should you decide to give it. </p><p>Thank you in advance, and please accept my apologies for wasting your time with this request. -- <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2" title="User:Григор Гачев">Григор Гачев</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2" title="User talk:Григор Гачев">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z-Opinion_request_about_a_disagreement_in_the_Bulgarian_Wikinews"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2" title="User:Григор Гачев"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-2019-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"></span>Grigor</a>: Either the <a href="/wiki/SRM" class="mw-redirect" title="SRM">SRM</a> or <a href="/wiki/Stewards_noticeboard" class="mw-redirect" title="Stewards noticeboard">Stewards noticeboard</a> (suggested by <a href="/wiki/User:Cohaf" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cohaf">Cohaf</a> earlier) can do. Either you or <a href="/wiki/User:Iliev" title="User:Iliev">Iliev</a> should post a request if you are running out of ways to convince each other or could not agree any further, or I think I may just in case. BTW, since the matter doesn't involve enwiki, I decided to copy-and-paste the message to here instead. You can reply at either Meta-wiki or <a href="https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/bg:User_talk:George_Ho" class="extiw" title="n:bg:User talk:George Ho">n:bg:User talk:George Ho</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-George_Ho-2019-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-2019-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-2019-07-29T19:30:00.000Z-Григор_Гачев-2019-07-29T18:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Intellectual_properties" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Intellectual_properties-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Intellectual_properties-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z"></span>Re: Intellectual properties<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Intellectual_properties-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Re: Intellectual properties"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nemo_bis-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z-Re:_Intellectual_properties">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nemo_bis-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z-Re:_Intellectual_properties"></span>Please don't use this term. </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.en.html">https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.en.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190910/17343842967/intellectual-property-is-neither-intellectual-property-discuss.shtml">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190910/17343842967/intellectual-property-is-neither-intellectual-property-discuss.shtml</a></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Nemo_bis-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z-Re:_Intellectual_properties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 19 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nemo_bis-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z-Re:_Intellectual_properties"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nemo_bis-2019-09-19T07:24:00.000Z-Re:_Intellectual_properties"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Key UCOC information from Clinic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Key UCOC information from Clinic"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T20:10:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic"></span>Hi George, </p><p>Thanks for your participation in today's Clinic - as usual, being able to pin Asaf down gave a few things that the rest of the WMF staff (including the T&S policy team) seemed unwilling to provide (although if I was failing at this level i'd be facing resignation requests by now). I've recorded the below as the principal points, and will attempt to add them to the Draft discussion later. </p><p><br/> </p> <ol><li>The WMF & Board has definitely decided there WILL be a UCOC</li> <li>The WMF & Board had decided that there would be a UCOC before the strategic recommendation "consultations" even began</li> <li>Yes, it should have been stated right back at the start, before the three consultations phases were wasted by going from an incorrect set of premises</li> <li>Yes, it should be stated at the top of the current UCOC document</li> <li>The WMF is "unable to halt its momentum", so they're unwilling to fix their own mistakes by restarting the four consultation steps so that people are properly informed, despite agreeing that "clock running out" is an issue.</li> <li>Unknown if T&S/Board has specific evidence to back up their assumptions/observations</li> <li>En-wiki conduct is apparently the primary issue hub (not a T&S member, so unsure if based off general WMF views, the actual T&S views, or Asaf's personal knowledge).</li></ol> <p>Do these seem reasonable summaries? Is there anything key I missed? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosebagbear" title="User talk:Nosebagbear">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z-Key_UCOC_information_from_Clinic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a>. I am a bit disappointed to see myself <b>misquoted</b> on such sensitive issues without even the courtesy of a tagging. My views <i>are not</i> accurately represented in that summary. I don't appreciate your weaving of your own interpretation or wishful thinking with things I actually said. I would like to set the record straight: <ul><li>In point of fact, I said a code of conduct was <b>discussed</b> (not decided) even before the strategic recommendation was made (not began); I certainly did not assert the UCoC <b>decision</b> was made any sooner than <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces" title="Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard/May 2020 - Board of Trustees on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe Spaces">the board statement announcing it</a>.</li> <li>I also did not say WMF "is unable to halt its momentum" or "unwilling to fix their own mistakes"; I said projects have momentum, and to George's explicit question on whether the UCoC process can be stopped, I honestly said that in my view it is unlikely, because the Board has already decided there <i>will be</i> some UCoC, even though its contents are yet TBD, and that, to stop it, one would have to gather and present to the Board overwhelming evidence that conduct and enforcement are not a serious problem on the wikis.</li> <li>To your question about whether there exists a document proving the existence of such conduct problems, I said I don't know, as I am not part of the team.</li> <li>I mentioned English Wikipedia as a wiki where conduct is <i>unsatisfactorily policed</i> (this is my own phrasing, not the board's), i.e. where too much behavior that is considered unacceptable (harassment, stalking, doxxing) is <i>de facto</i> tolerated, as <i>a</i> (not <i>the</i>) motivator for a Board intervention in the first place. This is my best impression, but I do not speak for the Board, and you may not quote this as an assertion of fact.</li></ul></dd> <dd>As you suggested on my talk page, it may be beneficial to clarify what is and is not being asked of the communities, and what has and has not been decided already, by talking directly with <a href="/wiki/User:PEarley_(WMF)" title="User:PEarley (WMF)">Patrick</a> from the team. I leave it to the two of you to discuss and coordinate if such a call can take place. <a href="/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)" title="User:Asaf (WMF)">Asaf (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asaf_(WMF)" title="User talk:Asaf (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)" title="User:Asaf (WMF)">Asaf (WMF)</a>:</span> - i asked George as a 3rd party to see if he could confirm my views before taking them elsewhere, mainly out of a concern to see whether my irritation was affecting my interpretation of your statements. I hadn't planned on dropping them onto the most central discussion location until I had communicated with you (providing whatever amended set came from a less heated reviewed set) and, from your comment, whatever is learnt/confirmed from Patrick. Normally I wouldn't do any non-individual posting until I'd talked to each part of that route, but in this case I'm more restraining from the lead UCOC locations (that is, the behavioural discussion page, the main UCOC discussion page, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VPW" class="extiw" title="en:WP:VPW">VPW</a> and the like), due to the limitations on time. Thank you for providing Patrick's details, I shall email him. <a href="/wiki/User:Nosebagbear" title="User:Nosebagbear">Nosebagbear</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nosebagbear" title="User talk:Nosebagbear">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T18:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T20:10:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. I am glad to learn you <i>did</i> intend to run it by me as well before putting it in front of a larger group. <a href="/wiki/User:Asaf_(WMF)" title="User:Asaf (WMF)">Asaf (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asaf_(WMF)" title="User talk:Asaf (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho#c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T20:10:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T20:10:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asaf_(WMF)-2020-09-15T20:10:00.000Z-Nosebagbear-2020-09-15T19:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021:_Invitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021:_Invitation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021:_Invitation"></span><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Invitation" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Invitation">Community Wishlist Survey 2021: Invitation</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021:_Invitation"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Community Wishlist Survey 2021: Invitation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/48px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/72px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/96px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="528"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The <b><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2021">2021 Community Wishlist Survey</a></b> is now open! This survey is the process where communities decide what the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Community Tech">Community Tech</a> team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to submit proposals until the deadline on <b>30 November</b>, or comment on other proposals to help make them better. The communities will vote on the proposals between 8 December and 21 December. </p><p>The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate them for you. Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals! </p> </div> <p><span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" class="extiw" title="m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a></span> </p><p>18:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021"></span><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021/Invitation_2" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Invitation 2">Community Wishlist Survey 2021</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Community Wishlist Survey 2021"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/48px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/72px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg/96px-Magic_Wand_Icon_229981_Color_Flipped.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="528"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><b>We invite all registered users to vote on the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2021">2021 Community Wishlist Survey</a>. You can vote from now until 21 December for as many different wishes as you want.</b> </p><p>In the Survey, wishes for new and improved tools for experienced editors are collected. After the voting, we will do our best to grant your wishes. We will start with the most popular ones. </p><p>We, the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Tech" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Tech">Community Tech</a>, are one of the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation">Wikimedia Foundation</a> teams. We create and improve editing and wiki moderation tools. What we work on is decided based on results of the Community Wishlist Survey. Once a year, you can submit wishes. After two weeks, you can vote on the ones that you're most interested in. Next, we choose wishes from the survey to work on. Some of the wishes may be granted by volunteer developers or other teams. </p><p>We are waiting for your votes. Thank you! </p> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:SGrabarczuk_(WMF)" title="User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)">SGrabarczuk (WMF)</a> </p><p>16:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference-20230509225600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference-20230509225600"></span>Queering Wikipedia 2023 conference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference-20230509225600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:George_Ho&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Queering Wikipedia 2023 conference"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230509225600-Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230509225600-Queering_Wikipedia_2023_conference"></span><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg/134px-Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="134" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg/201px-Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg/268px-Wikimedia_LGBT%2B_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="383"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg/138px-Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="138" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg/207px-Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg/275px-Queering_Wikipedia_logo_wordmark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="372"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B/Portal" title="Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia LGBT+/Portal">Wikimedia LGBT+</a> User Group and the organizing team of <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Queering_Wikipedia" title="Special:MyLanguage/Queering Wikipedia">Queering Wikipedia</a> is delivering the Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference for LGBT+ Wikimedians and allies, as a hybrid, bilingual and trans-local event. 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Second keynote is at Sunday’s closure by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esra%27a_Al_Shafei" class="extiw" title="en:Esra'a Al Shafei">Esra’a Al Shafei</a>, Wikimedia Foundation’s Board of Trustees vice chair, entitled: <i>Digital Public Spaces for Queer Communities</i>. </p><p>If you have been an active Wikimedian or enthusiast, supporting LGBT+ activities or if you identify as part of the larger LGBT+ community and allies in Wikimedia, please join us in advancing this thematic work. We encourage you to join online or in person with fellow Wikimedians if it is easy and safe to do so. Our working languages are English and Spanish, with possible local language support at sites of Nodes. </p><p>Registration for the online event is free and is open until Wednesday May 10th at 18:00 UTC, for safety protocol. 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After giving the matter some thought, I've come to the conclusion that Stack Exchange (now CC BY-SA 4.0) and Fandom.com (CC BY-SA 3.0) seem to be doing the job just fine, and there's no need to silo everything in the commons under the WMF. If, on the other hand, one or other of these went closed-source like WikiTravel, the WMF would absolutely be the right organization to help, as it would be the only organization with anywhere like the resources to take over such large projects from the ruins. 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