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Cargo plane crashes are common. <a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17"></span> </p> <ul><li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Events" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events">list of Events-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-1"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Aviation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Aviation">list of Aviation-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-1"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-2"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Transportation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Transportation">list of Transportation-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-2"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-3"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Texas" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Texas">list of Texas-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:WilliamJE" title="User:WilliamJE">...William</a>, is the complaint department really on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:WilliamJE" title="User talk:WilliamJE">the roof?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-3"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z-3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snood1205-2021-12-11T14:28:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_comment.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Comment:</b> While this is a pretty run-of-the-mill plane crash, a result of it being the FAA issuing regulations for cargo door warning alarms possibly meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LASTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LASTING">WP:LASTING</a>, but it's not a particularly huge change. Having said that, I don't really know if that was a significant enough avionics improvement to be that notable, and also for a lot of plane crashes the FAA will issue some sort of new regulations to prevent that from happening again, so it's a bit of a toss-up. I don't really have a leaning either way here. I feel like keeping or deleting both are valid arguments. <span style="background: #e5a5a5"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snood1205&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snood1205 (page does not exist)">snood1205</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snood1205" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Snood1205">Say Hi! (talk)</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-Snood1205-2021-12-11T14:28:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snood1205-2021-12-11T14:28:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snood1205-2021-12-11T14:28:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MilborneOne-2021-12-14T08:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> Not particularly significant as a cargo aircraft a mention in the accidents and incidents section of <a href="/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9" title="McDonnell Douglas DC-9">McDonnell Douglas DC-9</a> would be better. <a href="/wiki/User:MilborneOne" title="User:MilborneOne">MilborneOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MilborneOne" title="User talk:MilborneOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-MilborneOne-2021-12-14T08:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MilborneOne-2021-12-14T08:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MilborneOne-2021-12-14T08:30:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Username006-2021-12-17T11:13:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> This was a total hull loss and was a fatal accident too. Also, cargo door regulation changes for Evergreen and for McDonnell Douglas were significantly revised. Appears to pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIRCRASH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIRCRASH">WP:AIRCRASH</a>. We also already do have <a href="/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96" title="American Airlines Flight 96">American Airlines Flight 96</a>, which was even less of an incident but just because it is a cargo aircraft, doesn't mean it is non-notable every time. Seems like this one checks out. <a href="/wiki/User:Username006" title="User:Username006">Username006</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Username006" title="User talk:Username006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-Username006-2021-12-17T11:13:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Username006-2021-12-17T11:13:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Username006-2021-12-17T11:13:00.000Z-WilliamJE-2021-12-11T12:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z-Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TH1980-2021-12-19T03:39:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> Accident was a hull loss with fatalities, and the tragedy led to cargo door regulation changes.<a href="/wiki/User:TH1980" title="User:TH1980">TH1980</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TH1980" title="User talk:TH1980">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-TH1980-2021-12-19T03:39:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TH1980-2021-12-19T03:39:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TH1980-2021-12-19T03:39:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atomicdragon136-2021-12-19T17:00:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> Hull loss with fatalities, meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIRCRASH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIRCRASH">WP:AIRCRASH</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Atomicdragon136" title="User:Atomicdragon136"><span style="color: green">𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atomicdragon136" title="User talk:Atomicdragon136">🗨️</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Atomicdragon136" title="Special:Contributions/Atomicdragon136">🖊️</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Evergreen_International_Airlines_Flight_17#c-Atomicdragon136-2021-12-19T17:00:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atomicdragon136-2021-12-19T17:00:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atomicdragon136-2021-12-19T17:00:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snood1205-2021-12-19T18:33:00.000Z-Extraordinary_Writ-2021-12-18T18:44:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> After reading other votes and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIRCRASH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIRCRASH">WP:AIRCRASH</a>, I have been sway from my initial comment that this does pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LASTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LASTING">WP:LASTING</a> due to the regulations. <span style="background: #e5a5a5"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Snood1205&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Snood1205 (page does not exist)">snood1205</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snood1205" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Snood1205">Say Hi! 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