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id="main-a"> <article class="post firstpost"> <header class="post-header"> <div class="postmeta">November 25, 2024 7:00am by David Farrar</div> <h1 class="title">Guest Post: Peter Ellis Case Blows Up New Zealand – Twice</h1> </header> <div class="content clearfix notop nobot"> <p>A guest post by Peter Lynn:</p> <blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow"> <p>In the 1980’s and 1990’s there were sporadic hysterias about paedophile rings and satanic abuse in various western countries.</p> <p>In 1993, 35-year-old homosexual Peter Ellis, who had been working at the Christchurch Civic Childcare Centre was tried for offenses against children and found guilty.  Four female workers were discharged.</p> <p>The problem with the trial was that the children’s evidence had been contaminated by questioning that directed them towards what the prosecution wanted.  But even worse, when their testimony strayed into absurd fantasies, this was kept from the jury.  If these fantasies had been exposed, there’s zero chance the children’s other evidence would have been taken as credible.</p> <p>Straight away, this case was widely regarded as a failure of our justice system.  Even officers of the court who were polled anonymously in the aftermath of the trial overwhelmingly considered it a miscarriage.</p> <p>Appeals were made, petitions lodged, and a best-selling book written on the travesty, but still the justice industry could not bring itself to admit to error.  Not doing so brought our justice system into disrepute.  Their reasons for being so obdurate can only have been institutional ego and protecting their own.</p> <p>Eventually when the policemen, prosecutors and various judges involved had either died or retired, and one of the child witnesses had re-canted, in 2022, Ellis was exonerated.</p> <p>One immediate effect of the Ellis saga was a clear message to males that working in childcare and teaching was unsafe.  Consequently, from this and other such signals, the male share of childcare and teaching professions fell off the cliff.   At primary school, I had male teachers in every standards class.  Now they are exceeding rare with 85% of primary school teachers being female (2022). </p> <p>This matters because boys need male role models- even more so because approaching 20% of NZ boys now live in female only households.  Consequences are societal dysfunction and rising crime.</p> <p>It matters even more because female teachers are interested in art, music and other soft subjects, while males tend to be more interested in science, technology, engineering and math.  This difference is inherent and observable in all cultures, as evidenced by the proportion of women who qualify in STEM subjects being higher in countries where women are repressed (Pakistan and Iran for example), and lowest in countries where women have the greatest equality (like Norway and Denmark).  Where women are shackled to domesticity, STEM careers provide an escape.  Where women have more equality, they’re less likely to choose STEM subjects because this is not where their interests lie.</p> <p> Female domination of the teaching profession is not only contributing to the widening educational gap between girls and boys (because boys are not being taught what they are interested in) but is damaging our economy by constraining the supply of STEM educated boys. </p> <p>Fewer engineers and scientists- and rising crime- are not the only consequences of the Ellis case, nor necessarily the worst.  It has also changed our legal system.</p> <p>Sitting on top of the legal system are Judges.  They are protected, privileged and highly paid- but have a difficult job: fenced in by laws, rules and precedent- and intensely scrutinised. </p> <p>Only in the higher courts is there some freedom of action, a chance to make law, not just apply it, and these rare opportunities are where reputations are made.  I recall the rock star status that UK High Court judge Lord Denning acquired by establishing a small change in the law with his “High Trees” judgement.</p> <p>Zealand has no written constitution, but it has various unwritten constitutional conventions.  These provide a fertile field for judges to make their mark.  This is useful when it keeps law relevant in a changing society but requires that judge’s views are representative of broader society.  Unfortunately, in NZ over the last 20 or so years they have diverged sharply.  Our judicature, especially its upper echelons, have become agents of the Wellington centred progressive urban elite with views far to the Left of the wider population.  Wellingtonians live in a bubble, either unaware of how much their values differ from those of wider NZ, or fully aware but on a crusade.</p> <p>Our senior justices have taken up a particular Left cause: Māori underperformance.  Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture), they are attempting to level the field by elevating Māori to a position of legal privilege, </p> <p>Justice Cooke’s novel 1987 description of the Māori Crown relationship as “something akin to a partnership” was a significant step in this direction.  It has since been lifted to a full partnership and become established usage in government departments (also in the Wellington bubble).</p> <p>But where does Peter Ellis come into this?</p> <p>Peter died in 2019 while NZ’s Supreme Court was considering a final appeal.  When deciding whether to allow the appeal to continue, the justices turned to Tikanga (Māori custom), creatively declaring it to be “<em>—the first law of New Zealand and not secondary to the colonial common law—”</em>    This became a factor in enabling the appeal to proceed, even though Peter Ellis was not a Māori.  </p> <p>In their 2022 decision Peter was finally cleared, his convictions quashed.</p> <p>But this strengthening of Tikanga is ominous for New Zealand.  Although the Justices were careful to contextualise their decision, it is increasingly quoted as established law and is being used to advance Māori supremacy. </p> <p>Which will further fuel an inevitable destructive backlash from the non-Māori majority whose citizenship is being downgraded as Māori are elevated.</p> <p>Not a hopeful future for any of us unless parliament can soon find the courage to rein in this activist judiciary.</p> </blockquote> <div class="sharedaddy sd-sharing-enabled"><div class="robots-nocontent sd-block sd-social sd-social-icon-text sd-sharing"><h3 class="sd-title">Share this:</h3><div class="sd-content"><ul><li class="share-facebook"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-shared="sharing-facebook-142440" class="share-facebook sd-button share-icon" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html?share=facebook" target="_blank" title="Click to share on Facebook" ><span>Facebook</span></a></li><li class="share-twitter"><a rel="nofollow 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comment-author-nick_kearney even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="https://www.nominister.blogspot.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">NK</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>The very worst aspect of tikanga arguments being Incorporated into Ellis was how it was done. The How here is far more important than the Why.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648835" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648835-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">21</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648835" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648835-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648835"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648835', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648835');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648835">November 25, 2024 7:08am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648836" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nevermindthebollocks odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NeverMindTheBollocks</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Well said, Peter</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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This is very dangerous because in primitive societies it opens the door to vendetta or never ending intergenerational conflict. Go back to land confiscations and if you have acquired a block of land in good faith you may find yourself facing a civil action for recovery from the descendants of some long dead Maori tribal owners you knew nothing about.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648838" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648838-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">17</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648838" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648838-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648838"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648838', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648838');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648838">November 25, 2024 7:27am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648949" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I think that was already in place long before Ellis and has only grown.</p> <p>There is a whole grievance industry based on flogging the white man for reparations for something that happened 200+ years ago to someone who is long since dead (as are their children etc).</p> <p>We’ve been paying out full and final settlements to Maori, then topping up, then tilting the playing field, then… for over 30 years now and it is only amplifying.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648949" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648949-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">16</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648949" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648949-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648949"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648949', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648949');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648949">November 25, 2024 9:58am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648839" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mobile_michael odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="https://www.facebook.com/michaelisthecoolestpersonintheworld" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Mobile Michael</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>The Tikanga aspects of the Ellis case is exacting what was warned in the early 2000s when the then Labour Government established the Supreme Court and removed the right of appeal to the Privy Council.</p> <p>Our Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that preventing 16 and 17 year olds from voting was inconsistent with the NZ Bill of Rights Act. I despair at the Judges reading comprehension – the Act explicitly says only those over 18 are voters.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648839" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648839-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">21</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648839" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648839-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648839"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648839', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648839');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648839">November 25, 2024 7:47am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648931" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g152 even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G152</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>For a while there claiming sexual abuse was a growth industry and many were charged.<br /> Peter was a victim of lies untruths and those who were the accusers.<br /> Yet none have been charged none went to prison and they claim we are a country of laws………</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648931" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648931-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648931" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648931-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648931"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648931', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648931');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648931">November 25, 2024 9:40am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648986" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-sacha odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Sacha</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>One might also argue that 18yo’s are less mature these days. I don’t think they’ll be getting any real ‘learnings’ about making wise decisions as to who governs us.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648986" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648986-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648986" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648986-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648986"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648986', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648986');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648986">November 25, 2024 11:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648840" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-in_vino_veritas even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>In Vino Veritas</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Winkelmann has led the Supreme Court to become a laughing stock. And just as a reference, the DEI hires, Winkelmann, Glazebrook and Williams were the authors of the “Tikanga” bullshit.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648840" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648840-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">19</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648840" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648840-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648840"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648840', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648840');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648840">November 25, 2024 7:48am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648934" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-burtland odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Burtland</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>DEI is a socialist leveling device – merit is crushed.</p> <p>Superficially it appears to be fair – but its undelying purpose is to change the power structure. 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Wellesley School, Days Bay, Wellington profiles all its teachers on its web site and for Years 5 to 9, seven out of nine teachers are male. I also checked King’s School (aka Little Kings) Auckland and while its web site does not profile individual teachers, it does state “We also have a high number of male teachers at King’s who provide strong mentoring for the boys.” So there is demand among parents who can afford it for male teachers for boys and fortunately no one seems yet to have demanded that independent boys’ schools hire 50% of female teachers.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648842" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648842-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">29</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648842" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648842-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648842"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648842', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648842');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648842">November 25, 2024 7:50am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648878" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Sadly too late now as the whole Education Department is female dominated, and they will not relinquish any part of what they consider to be their greatb achievement.<br /> Not unusual in all other parts of New Zealand life and it may take tens of years of further deterioration for any sort of balance to occur if possible but I am not sure of that.<br /> Just look at the product of the today’s announcement of the failure of our education system in the 25% of young people leaving school with virtually no qualification – and do they care ?<br /> Well done Helen Clark, Margaret Wilson and Judith Tizard, the starters of this unique phenomenal effectively destroying the New Zealand family.<br /> Well done.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648878" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648878-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">17</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648878" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648878-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648878"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648878', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648878');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648878">November 25, 2024 8:39am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648979" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-burtland odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Burtland</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Clarks KNOWLEDGE economy destroyed many of the STEM occupations – traditional male labour strongholds were sacrificed in the destruction of the patriarchy. </p> <p>Clarks socialist vision is essentially complete – schools, universities, public service and judiciary are marxist hives – social spending has been massively increased – now we have to pay for it but without the tools of a STEM economy. More tax she says.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648979" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648979-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648979" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648979-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648979"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648979', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648979');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648979">November 25, 2024 10:54am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649070" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-philview even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Philview</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I remember about 6 years ago the media were screaming that boys’ schools are culturally right wing and needed to be shut down. Jacinda Ardern did a least say she wouldn’t shut down existing schools but promised there would no new boys’ schools on her watch.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649070" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649070-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649070" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649070-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649070"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649070', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649070');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649070">November 25, 2024 1:35pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649212" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-wrightingright odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>wrightingright</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Has National done a single thing to help open up a new boys only school??? Nope</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649212" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649212-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649212" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649212-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649212"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649212', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649212');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649212">November 25, 2024 7:11pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649211" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-wrightingright even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>wrightingright</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>100%, if I had kids *and* money, then I too would give bonus points to any school with much higher ratio of male teachers when it comes to selecting a school vs a school dominated with nearly only female teachers.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649211" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649211-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649211" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649211-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649211"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649211', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649211');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649211">November 25, 2024 7:11pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648843" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-anthony_melchett odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Anthony Melchett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>“Māori underperformance. Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture), they are attempting to level the field by elevating Māori to a position of legal privilege, ”</p> <p>Don’t stop them from bashing their family, just let them off when they do because they are Maori.</p> <p>Put that on the front page of every paper.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648843" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648843-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">20</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648843" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648843-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648843"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648843', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648843');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648843">November 25, 2024 8:00am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648848" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-david_garrett even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>David Garrett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>This is an excellent piece – and commendably short. His description of activist judges with views far to the left of the rest of us living in a Wellington bubble is spot on IMO.</p> <p>I have often imagined myself a fly on the wall at Thordon or Wadestown dinner parties where they congratulate each other on completely re-writing the meaning of “Manifestly unjust” in 3S cases. The worst case of judicial activism in my 30 years as a lawyer.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648848" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648848-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">32</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648848" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648848-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648848"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648848', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648848');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648848">November 25, 2024 8:07am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648861" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I must check your grammar David. 🙂</p> <p>“His description of activist judges with views far to the left of the rest of us living in a Wellington bubble is spot on IMO.”</p> <p>Should be..</p> <p>“His description of activist judges living in a Wellington bubble, with views far to the left of the rest of us, is spot on IMO.”</p> <p>… Otherwise it would be everyone but the judges who live in the Wellington bubble. 🙂</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648861" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648861-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">14</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648861" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648861-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648861"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648861', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648861');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648861">November 25, 2024 8:21am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648873" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-david_garrett even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>David Garrett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Bene: You got me…i never was a morning person. Incorrect syntax (not grammar) notwithstanding, my meaning is clear I think.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648873" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648873-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">14</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648873" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648873-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648873"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648873', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648873');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648873">November 25, 2024 8:33am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648937" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-debsta odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Debsta</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>All that was missing was a couple of commas, then syntax is fine…<br /> “His description of activist judges, with views far to the left of the rest of us, living in a Wellington bubble is spot on IMO.”</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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To the best of my recollection, I said absolutely nothing about the manifestly unjust proviso – I didn’t need to, because everyone, right across the political spectrum, assumed that the proviso would be interpreted and applied exactly as it had been in s.102 of the Sentencing Act, viz. only very rarely and extreme cases.</p> <p>The Court of Appeal cynically rewrote the test so that every single one of the third strike murderers escaped the LWOP which they ought to have been given.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648950" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648950-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">12</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648950" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648950-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648950"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648950', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648950');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648950">November 25, 2024 9:58am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648971" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-david_garrett even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>David Garrett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I have taken the trouble of finding my third reading speech, and my recall is correct: it contains absolutely nothing about the manifestly unjust proviso. I did however say this:</p> <p><i>I re-emphasise what the Minister of Corrections said: the only people who will be locked up for life under this bill will be persons who have committed murder as a “third strike”, or the worst of our murderers—people like Graeme Burton, William Bell, Liam Reed, and, sadly, a number of others whose names are less well known.</i></p> <p>How that – or anything else in my speech – aided the judges in rewriting the manifestly unjust proviso is beyond me. It certainly didn’t aid the judges in deciding that all of the third strike murderers should escape LWOP, the maximum penalty for murder.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648971" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648971-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648971" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648971-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648971"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648971', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648971');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648971">November 25, 2024 10:29am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648849" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-lara odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Lara</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Who is Peter Lyn?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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I am going with your early morning excuse from earlier! Before midday counts for me…</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649055" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649055-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649055" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649055-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649055"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649055', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649055');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649055">November 25, 2024 1:08pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648880" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The AB’s played by Tikanga last night.<br /> Looks like it .</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648880" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648880-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648880" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648880-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648880"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648880', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648880');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648880">November 25, 2024 8:41am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648903" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-bythesea even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>bythesea</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The book reference is “A City Possessed” by Lynley Hood. <a href="https://www.otago.ac.nz/press/books/a-city-possessed" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.otago.ac.nz/press/books/a-city-possessed</a><br /> A massive door stop of a book, but well worth the effort. I bought a copy back in the day. Having emigrated from the UK a few years previously it was obviously a day care predator hysteria just like the Cleveland Child Abuse Scandal (1987) and others.</p> <p>There is another interesting parallel with the “protect the brand” of the judiciary over this time. “Protect the brand” ends up allowing all these egregious failings to last and last and not get lanced.</p> <p>The UK Post Office scandal is where the PO put large numbers of postmasters through prosecution for deficiencies in poorly designed IT systems. Every time they had opportunity to pull back they just doubled down and then doubled down again. It is so depressing, and seems very similar to the Peter Ellis case.</p> <p>The tikanga part is just a cherry on top of the rest of the shit sandwich. 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Such people will get hired ahead of white males even if they are not quite at the same level of performance.</p> <p>But the IT industry has become more and more controlled by HR people who are almost always female.</p> <p>I have nothing against working with females. I have worked with some excellent female software engineers. 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It wasn’t the ‘justice industry’ that couldn’t bring itself to admit the error, it was the Crown, that being Crown Law, the MOJ, and the Police. The Defence Bar saw the injustice and was relatively unified in their belief in Ellis’ innocence. The Crown, for the most part, is more interested in defending itself than in actually seeing justice done. We have seen that over and over again in this country, yet we still allow the Crown to assume the moral high ground, rather than acknowledging that the prosecution services make mistakes, too, and it is in all of our interests to see those mistakes rectified. The Crown, on the other hand, does not believe it ever makes mistakes.</p> <p>2. I completely agree with the points about the need for men in schools. It is vital and we are paying the price of the flight of men from the teaching vocation. </p> <p>3. That said, I believe that any man who becomes a teacher in this day and age is both a saint and an idiot. A saint because they are doing much needed work, and an idiot because they are doing so at risk to their liberty. That risk is one that will be with them for the rest of their life, well after they have stopped teaching.</p> <p>4. The Supreme Court was wrong to take the case up after Ellis died. He was dead and the case was moot. The legal fiction engaged in to get the case before the Court was twisted and wrong, and will only harm us in the future.</p> <p>5. Instead of this going to the Supreme Court, the Minister of Justice should have stepped in and done the right thing. Their should either have been a posthumous pardon from from the Governor-General, explicitly acknowleding Ellis’ innocence, or alternatively a bill brought before Parliament to do the same thing.</p> <p>6. Doing either of the suggestions in point 5 would have made heads at the MOJ and Crown Law explode, but that wouldn’t have been a bad thing.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648946" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648946-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648946" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648946-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648946"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648946', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3648946');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3648946">November 25, 2024 9:53am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649000" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-david_garrett odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>David Garrett</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>FES: I agree with all the points you have made – but from what I have heard of Mr Goldsmith, he would just dismiss this guest post as being much ado about nothing. He is certainly totally uninterested in making three strikes 2.0 actually work in reducing violent crime.</p> <p>I cannot understand why he and not Judith Collins was appointed Justice Minister. Judith “gets it”.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649000" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649000-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649000" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649000-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649000"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649000', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649000');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649000">November 25, 2024 11:29am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649035" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Now why would they want someone that “gets it” in that position?</p> <p>You might want that, I might want that, but I doubt “they” do.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649035" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649035-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649035" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649035-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649035"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649035', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649035');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649035">November 25, 2024 12:08pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649038" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-f_e_smith odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>F E Smith</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>DG: I remain unconvinced about Judith as Minister of Justice. Her last stint in the job resulted in some fairly bad Family Court changes, plus no real effect in the criminal justice realm. </p> <p>I thought that Chris Penk might have a chance, or maybe Joseph Mooney, but instead it was given to a non-lawyer who has multiple ministries. I have no issue with that, per se, but giving it to a non-lawyer means the chance for capture by the MOJ is so much greater.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649038" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649038-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649038" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649038-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649038"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649038', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649038');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649038">November 25, 2024 12:17pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649050" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cg_2k even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>CG_2K</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The case wasn’t moot. It was open to the NZSC to not order a retrial or even uphold the conviction. Only a retrial would have been “moot” in the strictest definition of the word. Secondly, the case did involve a major question of law regarding judicial interpretation of the Evidence Act re: children interviews. There is no logical reason why the NZSC acting in its proper jurisdiction should wait to release a decision until another case comes up to answer a question of law. In civil cases, the NZSC has released judgments even where a settlement was reached prior to a decision where it involved a major question of law.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649050" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649050-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649050" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649050-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649050"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649050', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649050');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649050">November 25, 2024 12:45pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649138" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-f_e_smith odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>F E Smith</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>It was moot; Ellis was dead. There was no property interest in the case for his estate to pursue, it was simply about safety of the convictions. Otherwise we could be taking appeals for dead people years after they die if new evidence comes to light.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649138" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649138-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649138" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649138-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649138"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649138', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649138');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649138">November 25, 2024 3:57pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649091" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I wonder what the ratio of men to women is in the MOJ and Crown Law, both of course headed by women.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649091" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649091-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649091" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649091-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649091"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649091', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649091');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649091">November 25, 2024 2:29pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649135" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-f_e_smith odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>F E Smith</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I remember being at a seminar in Auckland some 20 years ago and sitting behind the Crown Law contingent (prosecutors always stick together). All of them were young women and most of them were blonde! Apart from greater diversity in hair colour, I doubt it has got any better in the intervening years.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649135" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649135-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649135" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649135-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649135"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649135', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649135');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649135">November 25, 2024 3:52pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649079" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mike_h_s even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Michael Sommerville</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The most relevant part of this piece is the final comment. Parliament can solve the problems, but no one has the courage to do so.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649079" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649079-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649079" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649079-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649079"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649079', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649079');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649079">November 25, 2024 1:59pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649226" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nick_kearney odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="https://www.nominister.blogspot.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">NK</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Michael, I was at an event about 18 months ago where Mr Luxon was speaking. I asked him during open question time if he was prepared to legislate to overturn Ellis as it relates to tikanga, as Helen Clark did with the Foreshore & Seabed Act. </p> <p>He said he would get Paul Goldsmith to look into it.</p> <p>And that’s all they will do: Look into it.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649226" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649226-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649226" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649226-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649226"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649226', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649226');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649226">November 25, 2024 7:58pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649156" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-gjm even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>GJM</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Regarding the fall out of the Ellis stitchup.<br /> My son is a unicorn – a male in preschool childcare.<br /> He is like a young Santa Claus, being abig guy with a big bushy beard and is very popular with the kids.<br /> One of very few, as many bailed after Ellis as a matter of self preservation. I worry about him if he gets on the wrong side of some activist fanatic.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649156" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649156-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649156" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649156-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649156"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649156', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649156');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649156">November 25, 2024 4:33pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649195" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nzer_in_exile odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NZer In Exile</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Not just activist fanatics. I have witnessed “Christian” women casually and shamefully suggesting a male teacher was most likely a pedo on no further evidence than an observation of the male teacher being in a room with a child without some kind of observer there, once. These people do not seem to realise that spreading such evil and baseless slurs is a death sentence to the target. It’s almost like there is a culture of “Ho hum another male bites the dust. Oh dear, how sad. We’ve been oppressed for millennia and it’s our turn now”. I did pull up the women who suggested this and asked for actual evidence, or please be careful making such serious slurs as they can cause enormous harm, but was surprise surprise, fobbed off.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649195" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649195-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649195" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649195-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fguest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649195"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649195', 'bb8e21ee9b', 'safe-comments-result-3649195');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/guest_post_peter_ellis_case_blows_up_new_zealand_twice.html#comment-3649195">November 25, 2024 6:12pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649165" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-theoldbloke even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Ra Henare</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The Geniee is out of the bottle.<br /> Seperatisim is in NZs future.</p> <p>The unity chanted by many Maori is NOT about NZ Unity but pursuit of their supremacy in all matters.</p> <p>The wet left(and Luxon) do not see the writing on the walls.</p> <p>We are doomed I tell you, doomed (In remembrance of Dads army)</p> <p>In my humble opinion, the only way the country will unify is if a large long term existential threat to NZ arrives (and I don’t mean a pandemic) </p> <p>Where everyone realises sticking together means survival. 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Consequently, from this and other such signals, the male share of childcare and teaching professions fell off the cliff. At primary school, I had male teachers in every standards class. Now they are exceeding rare with 85% of primary school teachers being female (2022). ”</p> <p>So true, the impact this (& all the other insanity, especially the #MeToo era) has had upon the teaching profession is absolutely huge. </p> <p>I LOVE teaching, but no way in hell am I going to become a Secondary School Teacher under the current system in NZ. </p> <p>As for Kindy or Primary School Teachers? 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