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decades to expunge Christian prayers, and allusions, from public life, and from the various agencies of state, most particularly schools. A clear message has been delivered by prominent parliamentarians, that Christianity should be a private and not a public matter. Christians can share their beliefs within, but not beyond, those of similar mind. Even the Speaker of the House was successful in having all references to Jesus removed from the official parliamentary prayer. The Prime Minister was happy to have the Muslim call to prayer broadcast nationally after the Mosque attacks, while her antipathy to Christianity remains palpable. And yet all of these voices have appeared conspicuously silent when it comes to karakia. How might we explain these paradoxes? What is really going on? Should we be concerned?</p> <p>… The founders of the United States were explicit. The first amendment reads as follows “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …”. Many of those migrating to the new world were escaping religious persecution in their homelands …</p> <p>… I believe that we should be very concerned about the creep of pantheistic religion into public life. Increasingly, references to things spiritual have been used to silence debate, or to fill the gaps when logic, reason, and facts are lacking. <b>Not infrequent assertions that the Treaty is a spiritual taonga, vested with mystical power, in and of itself, is a clear effort to make the arguments of its most animated adherents uncontestable</b>. When you move into the realm of the mystical, reason no longer applies, and familiar democratic safeguards can be progressively dismantled. </i></p></blockquote> <p><a href="https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-the-emergence-of-a-state-religion-and-the-deification-of-the-treaty" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-the-emergence-of-a-state-religion-and-the-deification-of-the-treaty</a></p> <p>ACT’s Bill<br /> Non-existent Article 4 –</p> <p><b>The New Zealand Government and all its services should be secular</b> (religiously neutral)</p> <p><i>“When you move into the realm of the mystical, reason no longer applies, and familiar democratic safeguards can be progressively dismantled”</i> which should now apply to <i>te Ao o Maori</i> – the Maori religious word-view, that now needs to be put back into it individually or group practiced pre 2017 Bottle, instead of invading so much as it does – the Maori Advisory Council (two new members appointed recently), tikanga and the law, real-estate, the Waitangi Tribunal, maramataka (“the turning of the moon”) and mental health, and Competence standards for pharmacists 1.1.1 Explains the relevance of te Tiriti o Waitangi to the provision of health care and how its implementation may help pharmacists contribute to equitable health outcomes for Māori </p> <p><b>The New Zealand Government and all its services should be secular</b></p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648844" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648844-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">56</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648844" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648844-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648844"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648844', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648844');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648844">November 25, 2024 8:01am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648898" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-maxritchie odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="https://Google" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">Cassandra</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>“Our senior justices have taken up a particular Left cause: Māori underperformance. Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture), they are attempting to level the field by elevating Māori to a position of legal privilege.” From a commentary in n how judges have elevated themselves to a philosopher-king (and queen) status.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648898" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648898-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">48</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648898" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648898-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648898"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648898', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648898');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648898">November 25, 2024 9:06am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648925" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-yvette even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Yvette</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Cassandra, a problem of mental dissonance dogs this agenda, since, as while some elevate Maori as having much vaunted supremacy, we can all observe Maori as also having the lowest status in so many social statistics, for the whole idea of unity in that is a “bucket full of holes” – a doctor-heal- yourself syndrome, a wholely befert badly-practiced religious world view, that doesn’t hold water – that’s wai.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Rather than address the reason for this (dysfunctional aspects of Māori culture)</p> <p>Is nothing to do with Maori culture in itself but in the promotion of victimhood, but sloshy wet liberal whites. Yep those who gave us minimum wages & welfare and the “”you poor thing”” mantra.</p> <p>Exactly the same thing is seen in the US OF A, where blacks feature in the same statistics as Maori.</p> <p>For evidence of this cause & effect I recommend Black Scholar Thomas Sowell,<br /> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell</a></p> <p>Whose work has been quoted in a US Supreme Court Judgement.</p> <p>On the subject of Poor you (my quote) he says</p> <p>Sowell challenges the notion that black progress is due to progressive government programs or policies. He claims that many problems identified with black people in modern society are not unique, neither in terms of American ethnic groups, nor in terms of a rural proletariat struggling with disruption as it became urbanized, as discussed in his Black Rednecks and White Liberals (2005).[65] He is critical of affirmative action and race-based quotas.[66][67]</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649172" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649172-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649172" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649172-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649172"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649172', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649172');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649172">November 25, 2024 4:57pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649568" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Bullshit as expected.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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How many countries in the world have a Central Bank that essentially worships a Pagan God.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649023" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649023-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649023" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649023-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649023"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649023', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649023');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649023">November 25, 2024 11:55am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648845" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-scott even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Scott</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Yesterday I posted about Winston Peters post on X about new restrictions on the use of puberty blockers on young people.<br /> <a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_24_november_2024.html#comment-3648555" rel="ugc">https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_24_november_2024.html#comment-3648555</a></p> <p>Act has also weighed in on the issue and the new Ministry of Health guidelines advocating for a much more cautious approach to the use of puberty blockers. </p> <p><a href="https://www.health.govt.nz/news/additional-safeguards-for-puberty-blockers" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.health.govt.nz/news/additional-safeguards-for-puberty-blockers</a></p> <p>Both Act and NZ First noted that the govt has opened the door for consultation so the people have the chance to weigh in and have their say. </p> <p><a href="https://consult.health.govt.nz/strategy-and-policy/safety-measures-for-the-use-of-puberty-blockers-in/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://consult.health.govt.nz/strategy-and-policy/safety-measures-for-the-use-of-puberty-blockers-in/</a></p> <p>These are welcome developments. Many of us would need a lot of convincing that Betty can just decide to be Bob and Barry can just decide he is really Brenda. 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I would put all there people on trial for Treason</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648886" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648886-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">23</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648886" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648886-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648886"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648886', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648886');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648886">November 25, 2024 8:49am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648887" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-imalwaysright odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://None" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">imalwaysright</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>S.O<br /> The theatrics of the walkout were well planned by all participants.<br /> The purpose was to demand an astronomical amount of $1 Trillion initially, and then “reluctantly” settle for a paltry $300 Billion.<br /> ($300,000,000,000.)<br /> All of that will be divided up between the climate scam organisers and the already rich third world representatives.</p> <p>Luxon will be applauding the performance…</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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I have been a member of the New Zealand COP delegation. More than once. However the last occasion was just before John Key became Prime Minister, so a while back. I have also attended COPs in the late 1990s, representing the private sector in other countries.</p> <p>In the New Zealand delegations, IIRC there were about 12 of us. That included one person from an environment NGO and one person from an industry NGO. There were certainly no Opposition MPs or folk from the Green Party.</p> <p>So what did we do? It was mostly technical and boring. We would negotiate arcane rules about counting emissions to try to get the best deal for New Zealand. Sometimes successfully. You might find yourself in a room at 3am negotiating some arcane accounting rule about forest sinks. It was not a junket and I have no desire to ever do it again. 😩</p> <p>All countries at the COP are members of a bloc. New Zealand is a member of the “Umbrella Group”.</p> <p>The Group is made up of Australia, Canada, Iceland, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Kazakhstan, Norway, Ukraine and the United States. The United Kingdom formally joined the group in 2023.</p> <p>The Umbrella Group traditionally tried to get the best outcomes for high income non EU countries.</p> <p>Anyway, if New Zealand did have more than 90 folk there it was insane. And what did Chloe do?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648957" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648957-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">33</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648957" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648957-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648957"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648957', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648957');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648957">November 25, 2024 10:08am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648964" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-thirteenstars odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="https://thirteenstarsemail@gmail.com" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">thirteenstars</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>It’s nothing compared with the cost we will have to pay for the sins of being a wealthy, industrialised country.</p> <p>We are still a wealthy, industrialised country, right?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Used up heaps of carbon on a plane trip. I wonder if she took her Palestinian scarf thing. I do note that the ponderous David Lomas thinks the celestial orb shines out of her rear end. Another tosser living in la-la land.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649066" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649066-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">10</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649066" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649066-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649066"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649066', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649066');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649066">November 25, 2024 1:32pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649101" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>But but but, the plane was going anyway. She just hitched a ride at our expense.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649101" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649101-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649101" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649101-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649101"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649101', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649101');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649101">November 25, 2024 3:07pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649068" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-niz odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Chris Nisbet</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>High income, you say?<br /> We’re in the wrong group.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649068" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649068-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649068" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649068-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649068"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649068', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649068');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649068">November 25, 2024 1:32pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648850" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-swifty even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Swifty</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>“Campbell said the Polynesian Panthers popularised the beret as a freedom symbol in New Zealand in the mid-1970s, spurred by protests against the Dawn Raids. While hats are a Western symbol, they have been widely adopted and reimagined as a symbol for Māori.</p> <p>On Tuesday, he saw numerous variations of the beret at the hīkoi in Wellington, including slanted berets and beret-style caps.</p> <p>“The look has been re-adopted and recontextualised to support the kind of movement that we have going on now.”</p> <p><a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534644/hikoi-hats-why-are-so-many-people-wearing-red-berets" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534644/hikoi-hats-why-are-so-many-people-wearing-red-berets</a></p> <p>Isn’t this classic cultural appropriation?</p> <p>More stinking hypocrisy from the Left.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648850" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648850-up" style="font-size:12px; 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Even if it does, it’s not a bad thing, and if it does, it doesn’t affect anyone so it’s not worth going on about.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649074" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649074-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649074" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649074-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649074"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649074', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649074');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649074">November 25, 2024 1:41pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648954" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-swifty even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Swifty</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Am I free to ‘adopt and reimagine’ or ‘re-contextualise’ Maori symbols or art or items of dress etc? </p> <p>Like hell I am. </p> <p>Why won’t the Left (and elements of Maoridom I must say) just come out and say it. Be honest, this is just about power and control. </p> <p>Exactly the same drive for power and control which infects TMP.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648954" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648954-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">16</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648954" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648954-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648954"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648954', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648954');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648954">November 25, 2024 10:05am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648960" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Che Guevara look alike idiots.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648960" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648960-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">16</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648960" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648960-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648960"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648960', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648960');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648960">November 25, 2024 10:12am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648996" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-jack5 even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Jack5</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Che Guevera at least loved and played rugby as a half-back in Argentina, despite suffering from asthma.</p> <p>If he had been a top player a few decades later he might have been puzzled by a pre-match haka.</p> <p>Few of the hikoi-sta look like rugby players.</p> <p>Guevera founded a rugby magazine. The Peronist police closed it down after four issues, and Guevera set off on a motorbike tour of Latin America.</p> <p><a href="https://www.espn.com/rugby/story/_/id/20977355/che-guevara-role-rugby-played-argentine-revolutionary-life" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.espn.com/rugby/story/_/id/20977355/che-guevara-role-rugby-played-argentine-revolutionary-life</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648996" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648996-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648996" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648996-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648996"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648996', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648996');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648996">November 25, 2024 11:26am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649105" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>He was a doctor I think, so he knew his limits with asthma.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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If these Maori activist loons are also using it that is good, so the average complacent NZ bozo can see the Maori movement for what it is – far left Marxism.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649253" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649253-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649253" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649253-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649253"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649253', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649253');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649253">November 26, 2024 12:34am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648851" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kiwikidsnz odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kiwikidsnz</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>The Standard have published their “paint by numbers” guide for their acolytes submissions to the Treaty Principles Bill </p> <p><a href="https://thestandard.org.nz/a-guide-to-making-a-submission-on-the-treaty-principles-bill/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thestandard.org.nz/a-guide-to-making-a-submission-on-the-treaty-principles-bill/</a></p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648851" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648851-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">21</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648851" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648851-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648851"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648851', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648851');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648851">November 25, 2024 8:09am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648961" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Well thanks for that. I can only drop by that blog about once yearly. It quite literally makes me feel ill. I tried commenting there a few years ago in my usual polite and moderate fashion 😀. Someone named Lynn or Lyne? banned me. That was after someone else called me a Nazi. 😕</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648961" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648961-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">27</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648961" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648961-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648961"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648961', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648961');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648961">November 25, 2024 10:12am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648966" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Lynn. Man with a girl’s name according to Whaleoil.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648966" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648966-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">9</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648966" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648966-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648966"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648966', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648966');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648966">November 25, 2024 10:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649008" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-jack5 even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Jack5</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>In the <i>Standard</i> advice on submissions, a quote from former Prime Minister and penalised company director Jenny Shipley:</p> <blockquote><p> The voice of Maori, that reminds us that this was an agreement, a contract – and you do not rip up a contract and then just say, ‘Well, I’m happy to rewrite it on my terms, but you don’t count’. </p></blockquote> <p>Shipley $6 million liability in Mainzeal case:</p> <p><a href="https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/08/former-pm-dame-jenny-shipley-among-mainzeal-directors-ordered-to-pay-nearly-40-million-in-penalties-plus-interest.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/08/former-pm-dame-jenny-shipley-among-mainzeal-directors-ordered-to-pay-nearly-40-million-in-penalties-plus-interest.html</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649008" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649008-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649008" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649008-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649008"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649008', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649008');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649008">November 25, 2024 11:35am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648993" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-bobba_fret odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Bobba Fret</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I too have been banned from commenting on the Standard by a person called Incognito. They do not like comments that do not agree with their very left agenda especially if you provide facts they do not like.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648993" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648993-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648993" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648993-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648993"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648993', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648993');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648993">November 25, 2024 11:22am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649015" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-graham even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>graham</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Probably Lynn Prentice, the System Operator/Moderator. It’s been a long time since I visited the blog, but he used to have some unusual attitudes, and would take great offence at anybody who commented in a manner that he felt was unacceptable. Among things he considered to be “unacceptable” was referring to “The Standard” in ANY way that implied it was sentient, because “it’s just a computer, it cannot reason …” and so on. That alone was enough to get you banned.</p> <p>He was a bit of an elitist, and scorned anyone he felt was not intellectual enough to debate intelligently or meet his high standards in all sorts of areas. The archetypal grumpy old man 😉 He may have changed since I last visited, but I doubt it.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649015" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649015-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649015" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649015-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649015"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649015', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649015');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649015">November 25, 2024 11:44am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649110" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Scorned anyone who sounded like they were cleverer than her. And that’s not hard.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649110" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649110-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649110" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649110-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649110"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649110', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649110');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649110">November 25, 2024 3:16pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649179" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-theoldbloke even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Ra Henare</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Here we go again by so-called proponents and supporters of freedom of speech.<br /> Hypocrisy anyone.????</p> <p>It’s his Blog (The Standard) he can say what he wants and block what he doesn’t like.</p> <p>So, if you don’t like it. Don’t read it.</p> <p>Dont get your knickers in a twist if your comment gets you banned.</p> <p>Sheesh, Kiwiblog mods ban members regularly for some of their comments.</p> <p>It’s called life<br /> Get over yourselves.</p> <p>Prats will of course exercise their freedom of expression, and down tick me.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649179" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649179-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649179" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649179-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649179"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649179', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649179');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649179">November 25, 2024 5:21pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648852" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-swifty odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Swifty</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>I wonder if overnight our news media talked about ‘costs to New Zealand families’ rather than ‘costs to government’ people might be not quite so blasé about government spending:</p> <p><a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/534700/climate-finance-nz-could-face-hefty-bill-as-new-funding-target-agreed-at-cop29" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/534700/climate-finance-nz-could-face-hefty-bill-as-new-funding-target-agreed-at-cop29</a></p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Not China. So it will be Canada 🇨🇦, Australia 🇦🇺 Japan 🇯🇵 the European Union 🇪🇺 New Zealand 🇳🇿, the rich non EU European countries, and who else? Not Argentina 🇦🇷.</p> <p>That is not many countries to raise 300 billion annually.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648944" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648944-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">36</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648944" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648944-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648944"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648944', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648944');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648944">November 25, 2024 9:52am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648952" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>A couple of our ‘treaty’ settlements include perpetual top ups, so why not.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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I have worked with many excellent folk. However I have also been exposed to many useless folk.</p> <p>There were about 65,000 core public servants when the government came to office. That does not include Crown entities. IIRC, the government has cut about 8,000.</p> <p>I think that the Government could cut another 20,000.</p> <p>Take my favourite topic. The Ministry of Education. It has 4000 staff. It should be broken up into three small agencies with a total of about 600.</p> <p>I am much less familiar with the Ministry of Social Development. It has 9,000 employees. Has it ever had an efficiency audit?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648969" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648969-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">27</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648969" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648969-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648969"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648969', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648969');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648969">November 25, 2024 10:23am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649115" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Another 20,000 would be on the light side Benedict. 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It is not surprising that the code attracts so many East Polynesians.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649069" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649069-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649069" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649069-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">3</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649069"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649069', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649069');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649069">November 25, 2024 1:35pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648856" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-pdm odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>pdm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>No wonder the All Blacks are playing such crap rugby (no matter how well Italy played) when the team and apparently management allow Political views to override the preparation and importance of a Test match.</p> <p>My view is here:<br /> <a href="https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/11/24/hey-razor-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-the-all-blacks/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/11/24/hey-razor-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-the-all-blacks/</a></p> <p>ps. at the time of writing I was not aware the Haka was apparently endorsed by the team Coach’s and Management.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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But when he does it in work uniform and from his place of work and with his employer’s approval then he’s a spokesperson for the NZRU. The NZRU should stay the f… out of politics.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649208" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649208-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649208" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649208-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649208"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649208', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649208');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649208">November 25, 2024 7:04pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648864" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-terry_dalee odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Terry Dalee</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Never mind the fundamental constitutional crisis that NZ faces over questions regarding equality of citizenship and the sovereignty of the government….</p> <p>The sky starts to fall in NZ when the All Blacks start losing…..<br /> It’s a pretty sad indictment on NZ and the apathy of the majority of the NZ population that that’s what it took to get people to take notice…<br /> You get what you deserve …</p> <p>Go Italy</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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No thanks to the colonisers I suspect.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649209" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649209-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649209" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649209-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649209"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649209', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649209');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649209">November 25, 2024 7:06pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648866" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Yep , they should stick to their principal purpose .</p> <p>Selling over priced sweat shop produced merchandise to low IQ “sports” fanatics.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Razor is has made a huge misstep.</p> <p>I have no doubt Perenara has no idea wants in the Bill – as most of the protestors didn’t.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648956" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648956-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">16</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648956" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648956-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648956"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648956', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648956');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648956">November 25, 2024 10:08am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648871" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-prince odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Prince</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Are we to believe that all members of th e touring party agree with TPM/Greens/Labour.<br /> Or has anyone with opposing views been bullied to acquiesce ?<br /> As is likely, this may explain why the team is playing as though they have just met. There is no cohesion, no agreed game plan, no ’14 men finding space for the 15th.’<br /> Time to clear the air, get personal grievances and politics out of the way, and concentrate on the basics of the game. Pace, Position, Possession.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648871" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648871-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">35</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648871" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648871-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648871"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648871', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648871');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648871">November 25, 2024 8:32am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648916" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>“Or has anyone with opposing views been bullied to acquiesce ?”</p> <p>As are:<br /> * Anyone working for government.<br /> * Anyone working for a large private organisation.<br /> * Anyone seeking public office of any kind.<br /> *…</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Heaven forbid we had a NZ European Team, just imagine the outcry.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648879" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648879-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">45</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648879" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648879-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648879"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648879', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648879');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648879">November 25, 2024 8:40am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648924" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mcos odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix ckrating_hotly_debated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>MCōs</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>We sent NZ European teams to South Africa on several occasions<br /> In 1970 Māori players were included for the first time as honorary whites<br /> Weren’t they lucky</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648924" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648924-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648924" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648924-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">24</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648924"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648924', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648924');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648924">November 25, 2024 9:34am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648983" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>IIRC it was from about then onwards that black people from overseas fell outside the apartheid laws and were expected to stay in top end hotels etc.</p> <p>While they, and the West Indian cricketers etc, were often labelled as “uncle Toms” etc, I really think they helped move the needle in terms of people thinking about race in South Africa.</p> <p>Think of a white boy from a racist family going to the cricket and standing with other kids to get a West Indian (or Maori) autograph, then putting up a poster of the All Blacks or the West Indian cricket team on his bedroom wall. Having a dark skinned hero can really move how people think.</p> <p>By the mid 1980s apartheid was well on the way out though many probably didn’t realise things were moving as fast as they were.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648983" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648983-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648983" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648983-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648983"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648983', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648983');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648983">November 25, 2024 11:06am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648984" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-yabster odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Yabster</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>– that wasn’t justifiable then and so that makes the Maori team now even worse, but then again you lefty luvies can justify anything as long as it fits the narrative.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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My complaint was lodged just now.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649030" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649030-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649030" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649030-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649030"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649030', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649030');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649030">November 25, 2024 12:01pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648967" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-niggly even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>nathie</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>When they respond maybe reply back to them asking what would be their stance then if the AB’s wanted to show support of Seymour’s TPB waving a large banner whilst still on the pitch?</p> <p>Goose, gander and all that.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648967" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648967-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">18</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648967" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648967-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648967"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648967', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648967');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648967">November 25, 2024 10:19am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648970" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-marleybob odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>marleybob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Yep they knew and approved.<br /> Like you the abs are dead to me and from now on I will only be cheering on their opposition. 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Herald today (paywalled):</p> <p><b>Has Tory Whanau changed her mind about running again for Wellington’s mayoralty?- A Capital Letter</b> by Georgina Campbell.</p> <p><i>Whanau has always maintained she wants to spend three terms as the Mayor of Wellington.</i></p> <p>And then – </p> <p><i>(Nick) Mills wanted to know if she was still keen on a second term … “Nothing has changed,” Whanau replied.But then she said: “I’ll be having those conversations with family and friends at the right time.”</i></p> <p>Anyone want to take a guess? Bearing in mind good chance she would be elected as mayor again.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648858" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648858-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648858" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648858-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648858"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648858', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648858');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648858">November 25, 2024 8:16am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648865" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-magsta even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Maggy Wassilieff</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>What else could she do?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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She will no doubt discuss with friends and associates (especially The Post editor) the chances of success. She would most probably have polls (not Curia) done.<br /> Years ago in Auckland long time Mayor Robbie did not bother to read the tea leaves in his last Mayoral election and crashed out badly. If he realised his days were numbered he could have retired honourably from the Mayoralty.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648881" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648881-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">23</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648881" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648881-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648881"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648881', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648881');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648881">November 25, 2024 8:42am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648882" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-gussy_fink-nottle even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Gussy Fink-Nottle</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Whanau completely underestimated the role (“I thought, as Mayor, you could fly under the radar”).</p> <p>She won’t be running again.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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A problem Labour and Greens have is they are too ready to select candidates from their back office staff whereas National (via local electorate groups) expects their staffers to get out and get a REAL job before having a crack at candidacy (eg Nicola Willis and Tom Rutherford).</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649026" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649026-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649026" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649026-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649026"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649026', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649026');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649026">November 25, 2024 12:00pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648883" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>My guess is she will stay. Right now she is just keeping her name in the leftist media.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648883" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648883-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">15</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648883" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648883-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648883"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648883', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648883');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648883">November 25, 2024 8:43am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648894" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g_the_giant_from_dunedin even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G the giant from Dunedin</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>She will read the room and run like Ardern</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648894" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648894-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">23</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648894" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648894-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648894"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648894', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648894');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648894">November 25, 2024 8:59am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648972" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Where she going to run to? 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Residents only.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649124" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649124-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649124" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649124-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649124"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649124', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649124');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649124">November 25, 2024 3:37pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648899" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-bobba_fret odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Bobba Fret</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Surely the people of Wellington would not be stupid enough to vote her in again?<br /> I don’t think she will stand again as to likely to lose. She will be trying to get herself a position in the Green Party.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648899" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648899-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648899" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648899-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648899"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648899', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648899');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648899">November 25, 2024 9:07am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649028" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-zulumonster even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>zulumonster</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Don’t bet on it … I do my best to warn my fellow Wellingtonian’s of the dangers of complacency – but there are hoards of Green and Red sympathisers who may never see the error of their ways.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Just musing.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649213" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649213-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649213" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649213-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649213"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649213', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649213');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649213">November 25, 2024 7:14pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648932" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-eastlander even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Eastlander</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The thing about her is that she is a continuous catastrophe – every day she says or does something as idiotic or more so than any of her known scandals. She is a completely obedient puppet of the CEO and has no thoughts of her own regarding the job. If you hear her speaking about anything other than personal complaints it is McKerrow’s voice you are hearing. Finding someone similarly vacuous to replace her would not be difficult, but getting the replacement into office would be more so now.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648932" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648932-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">10</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648932" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648932-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648932"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648932', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648932');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648932">November 25, 2024 9:41am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649059" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nevermindthebollocks odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NeverMindTheBollocks</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Mackerrow is leaving.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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He wore a traditional pākē harakeke (Māori rain cape), used for both protection and shelter.<br /> Alongside him walked Te Pāti Māori co-leader, Rawiri Waititi, and Waititi’s wife, Kiri Tamihere-Waititi</i> [1]<i>, who was one of the organisers of the march.<br /> She felt bittersweet at the sights of Auckland appearing through the drizzle.<br /> “<b<I want to cry. You can hear all of our whānau behind us. We've got all of our babies here, and it's for them.<br /> "We've been so traumatised as a people, and it's really hard to see, it's really hard to feel, and it's really hard to endure.”</p> <p><a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/534594/behind-the-banner-inside-the-hikoi-mo-te-tiriti" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/534594/behind-the-banner-inside-the-hikoi-mo-te-tiriti</a></p> <p><b>Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke told the crowd this hīkoi was never about the bill</b>she tore up in the House, instead it was about unity. …<br /> Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi referred to the haka in Parliament last week against the Act Party’s Treaty Principles Bill that was shared around the world. “Thanks to Hana, the whole world is watching.”<br /> He then used his moment at the microphone to rally the troops.<br /> “Where to from here? Yes tino rangatiratanga is ours but we have to have a kāwanatanga strategy. Get on the Māori roll. Each and everyone has a responsibility to our mokopuna to turn up and ensure we don’t have a fascist government like we do today.”<br /> <a href="https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/20/the-people-were-speaking-seymour-couldnt-hear-them/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/11/20/the-people-were-speaking-seymour-couldnt-hear-them/</a>? </i></p> <p>_______________<br /> [1]<i> It is possible that security agencies will be closely monitoring Kiri Tamihere-Waititi, the wife of Māori Party Co-Leader Rawiri Waititi. and daughter of John Tamihere, who became president of the Māori Party in June 2022</p> <p>She declared, “They’re (The Government) doing everything and they’ve got the f***** power to get rid of us. And while you’re thinking about that, you might as well also start thinking about how we’re going to take our country back too. We’re continuing to subscribe to a model that was designed to assimilate, to continue to colonise, and to keep us as second-class citizens in our own country. By design, we are not unified. Right? Just imagine, just take one f***** minute of your day to imagine if we were all on the same page. Can you imagine the might and the power that we would have? We could overthrow any government. We could do whatever the f*** we wanted.”</p> <p>Her expletive-laden social media rant, urging Māori to overthrow the government, wasn’t just a step too far—it was potentially illegal.<br /> <a href="https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/opinion-is-kiri-tamihere-waititis-expletive-laden-video-a-national-security-threat/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/opinion-is-kiri-tamihere-waititis-expletive-laden-video-a-national-security-threat/</a>. </i></p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648859" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648859-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">29</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648859" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648859-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648859"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648859', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648859');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648859">November 25, 2024 8:16am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648947" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-flossie even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Flossie</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>I would really like them to explain exactly how Maori are disadvantaged. In this country Maori have the same rights as anybody else, plus extras. For example yesterday I saw a billboard advertising the Maori Sports Awards. Maori are not excluded from any of the other sports awards.<br /> Those constantly shouting about how they are oppressed should have a look at successful Maori in other countries, like Australia, and ask how is it possible when they are not afforded any additional rights there.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648947" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648947-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648947" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648947-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648947"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648947', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648947');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648947">November 25, 2024 9:55am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649199" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nzer_in_exile odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NZer In Exile</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Flossie you know the answer. YOU are racist/bigoted/a decrepit boomer stuck in the 1950’s etc etc! /</p> <p>Abuse and treats is all they have.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649199" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649199-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649199" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649199-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649199"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649199', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649199');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649199">November 25, 2024 6:36pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648975" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-batteryhen even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Benedict Yu</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>This drives me nuts. Can the woman who is in despair explain how the Bill would adversely affect her family? I don’t mean word salad explain. I mean actual explain.</p> <p>If someone is so distraught at a government bill, I genuinely and sincerely want to understand why that is so. 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We’ve got all of our babies here, and it’s for them.”.</p> <p>Just not for the ones beaten, tortured and brutally murdered, aye?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649217" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649217-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649217" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649217-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649217"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649217', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649217');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649217">November 25, 2024 7:17pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648860" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Border Czar Homan sends his first message.<br /> The last border czar laughed, this one means business. No amnesty, no excuses.<br /> When you are ordered removed, you are going to leave.<br /> MAGA.</p> <p><a href="https://pjnewsletter.com/trumps-border-czar-sends/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjnewsletter.com/trumps-border-czar-sends/</a>?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648860" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648860-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648860" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648860-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">4</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648860"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648860', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648860');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648860">November 25, 2024 8:16am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648863" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-yvette odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Yvette</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p><b>Guest Post: Peter Ellis Case Blows Up New Zealand – Twice</b></p> <p>Summary<br /> Male primary school teachers are rare, with 85% of teachers being female (2022). This is concerning as boys, especially the 20% living in female-only households, need male role models. Societal dysfunction and rising crime are linked to this absence. Meanwhile, senior justices focus on Māori underperformance, attributing it to systemic privilege rather than cultural issues. Justice Cooke’s 1987 description of the Māori-Crown relationship as a “partnership” has evolved into legal precedence, now influencing government policy. </p> <p><b>In 2022, the Supreme Court’s invocation of <i>tikanga</i> to quash Peter Ellis’s convictions further strengthens Māori custom in law, raising concerns about Māori supremacy</b>.</p> <p>• A crucial point here is that judiciary took a break of several weeks to consider the matter of tikanga. Peter Ellis’s memory suffered not only from the taint of previous legal error, but the present involvement in a studied agenda.</p> <p><b> Simple Western respect and dignity of reputation, even after death (legacy), has been turned into legal cultural misappropriation and a premeditated agenda</b>?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648863" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648863-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">14</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648863" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648863-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648863"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648863', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648863');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648863">November 25, 2024 8:21am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648919" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-imalwaysright even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://None" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">imalwaysright</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Judicial necrophilia.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648919" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648919-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648919" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648919-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648919"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648919', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648919');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648919">November 25, 2024 9:27am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648870" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nevermindthebollocks odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NeverMindTheBollocks</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:</p> <p>At 8.20am, zero bikes.</p> <p>A calm, warm morning in the Capital, glorious for cycling. If you don’t cycle now, you never will.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648870" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648870-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">49</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648870" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648870-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648870"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648870', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648870');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648870">November 25, 2024 8:32am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648920" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-imalwaysright even depth-2 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3><a href="http://None" class="url" rel="ugc external nofollow">imalwaysright</a></h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>“At 8.20am, zero bikes.”</p> <p>Maybe that’s what the mean by “the road to zero”.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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But, if their office buildings are anything like mine, they have a basement or carpark section with bike parking plus adjacent showers. There are also steel beams secured to buildings at street level, presumably for any stray visitors.</p> <p>This part of The Terrace is absolutely Mon-Fri 8am-6pm office commuter belt. There are virtually no flats locally, no nightlife, no weekend attractions etc. You could fire the proverbial shotgun down the street with little danger to life or limb.</p> <p>There’s nothing secret about any of this; it is obvious to blind Freddy.</p> <p>It’s clear that the WCC commissioning manager did no market research about the potential user base for this cycle rack. Most likely s/he had a “build it & they will come” mentality; or it’s a case of monumental incompetence. Either way, the utter waste of $587,000 of ratepayer’s money should be a disciplinary offence.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648955" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648955-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">20</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648955" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648955-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648955"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648955', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648955');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648955">November 25, 2024 10:06am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649131" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Discipline? 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The other 360 mornings it blew a gale.<br /> Climate change has its advantages.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648987" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648987-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648987" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648987-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648987"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648987', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648987');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648987">November 25, 2024 11:19am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648874" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-kowtow even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>kowtow</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>NZME Herald use a photo of a prank on the front page to again whip up hysteria and attack the coaltion.</p> <p>The accompanying story quotes someone called Dr Catherine Leonard of Ihi Research saying the gang patch ban risks undermining trust between the police and gangs.</p> <p>WTF?</p> <p>ps that Copper better worry about leakers within the ranks.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648874" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648874-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">37</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648874" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648874-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648874"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648874', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648874');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648874">November 25, 2024 8:33am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648922" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-g152 odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>G152</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The gangs are criminals<br /> The cops are law enforcement. Trust?????????????</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648922" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648922-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">15</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648922" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648922-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648922"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648922', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648922');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648922">November 25, 2024 9:29am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648923" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Unfortunately Leonard is probably correct.</p> <p>I expect there is collaboration between the Mongrel Mob and the police.</p> <p>For the most part the “tough on gangs” work from the police has been directed at smaller gangs who are the MMob’s enemies.</p> <p>Sure, once in a while there’s also some activity agaist MMob, but that’s probably the Mob feeding the cops someone they want to get rid of anyway.</p> <p>Like professional wrestling, I suspect the story we are being told is vastly different to what is really happening under the hood.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648923" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648923-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">19</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648923" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648923-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648923"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648923', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648923');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648923">November 25, 2024 9:31am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648875" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-greenfinger odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>greenfinger</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>How many businesses and their employees have lost their livelihoods in Wellington since Tory came into power. There you go, there is your answer as to who you should not vote for in the 2025 local body election! Bottle this up and make your vote count on 11 October 2025.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648875" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648875-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">25</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648875" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648875-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648875"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648875', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648875');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648875">November 25, 2024 8:34am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648921" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mcos even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>MCōs</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Is that Tory or the Torys?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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They are infected with the progressive left, Maori and virtue signaling non Maori. Their ‘news’ is produced with a slant that always assumes Maori are hard done by and that their views are always the right ones. When the head of news and head political reporter and on the Maori parties hikoi, you can gaurantee the news you get will be one sided.</p> <p>Any stories negative towards Maori (or gangs / 501s) are played down or ignored. We get puff pieces that 501s are just unlucky NZers chosen to be deported, they are good people and should have been welcomed. Gangs are positive members of society that are part of Maori culture and should be welcomed by all, any legislation against them is racist and wont work.</p> <p>When gang members are involved in violent crime their gang associations are hidden. When non gang members with right wing affiliations that is always highlighted and these people are ‘far right wing extremists’. There are no left wing extremists, thats not possible.</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648905" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648905-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">21</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648905" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648905-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648905"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648905', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648905');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648905">November 25, 2024 9:15am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649085" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-paulus odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Paulus</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>To be a 501 there is the need that that person is not an Australian Citizen, but a New Zealand one, and that many have well over 100 serious Convictions.<br /> I do not blame the Aussies, but would be happier without them back here.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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How can you have a strong Military with that nonsense?</p> <p>I hope Trump goes back to supporting Veterans. Democrats treat Vets like shit.</p> <p><a href="https://patriotpulse.net/woke-pentagon-officials-are-panicking-over-this-showdown-with-donald-trump/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://patriotpulse.net/woke-pentagon-officials-are-panicking-over-this-showdown-with-donald-trump/</a>?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648888" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648888-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">18</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648888" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648888-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648888"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648888', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648888');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648888">November 25, 2024 8:54am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648909" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Dan Bongino says ‘When the agencies fight against your nomination, you know you have picked the right person’. Pretty sound logic in these circumstances.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648909" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648909-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">13</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648909" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648909-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648909"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648909', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648909');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648909">November 25, 2024 9:20am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648890" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-scooter odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Scooter</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>Not a surprise after seeing the 2 female cops helping paint the hikoi protest banners. Who else in the public service is hiding in plain sight, actively undermining the government?</p> <p><a href="https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/photos-of-police-officer-wearing-gang-patch-spark-controversy-days-after-ban/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/photos-of-police-officer-wearing-gang-patch-spark-controversy-days-after-ban/</a></p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648890" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648890-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">39</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648890" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648890-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648890"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648890', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648890');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648890">November 25, 2024 8:56am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648911" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-roborob even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>RoboRob</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Almost all of the top journalists & managment at TNVZ and RNZ.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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How can we forget when Leftie trolls keep bringing it up?</p> <p>Strangely, none of these Lefties can name the three post-1972 Labour PMs who cheated on their wives while they were in office.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649078" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649078-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649078" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649078-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649078"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649078', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649078');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649078">November 25, 2024 1:54pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648900" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>More on Homan.<br /> He will deport with or without co-operation from sanctuary cities.<br /> How long before the Democrats realise that Trump is going to do what he says he will?</p> <p><a href="https://conservativeadvocacy.com/trump-appoints-homan-as-border-czar-to-lead-largest-deportation-effort-in-us-history/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://conservativeadvocacy.com/trump-appoints-homan-as-border-czar-to-lead-largest-deportation-effort-in-us-history/</a>?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648900" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648900-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648900" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648900-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648900"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648900', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648900');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648900">November 25, 2024 9:10am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648901" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-swifty even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Swifty</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I’d be interested in knowing whether Debbie Ngarewa-Packer thinks there are any roles or positions in New Zealand society where one should or must subjugate one’s personal views and prioritise the interests of any organisation one represents? </p> <p>Or does she think that irrespective of what position a person holds, or organisation they represent, people should be encouraged and praised when they use their platform to put across their private and political views? </p> <p><a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534724/tj-perenara-s-tiriti-haka-addition-welcomed-by-both-te-pati-maori-and-david-seymour" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/534724/tj-perenara-s-tiriti-haka-addition-welcomed-by-both-te-pati-maori-and-david-seymour</a></p> <p>How would she feel about a NZ governor-general who tells people to vote ACT as they pin a medal on someone at an investiture? Midwives railing against TPM as they advise expectant mothers about breast-feeding? Police bad-mouthing lefty governments as they go into schools and speak to school children? </p> <p>She’d be fine with this would she? She’d praise these people for speaking their minds? 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As Cruz replied to questions about immigration, his tone suggested he sees this issue not just as a talking point but as a calling. The electorate appears motivated by real concerns, and according to Cruz, they expect action.”</p> <p><a href="https://politicalactionalerts.com/cruz-promises-fully-secured-border-by-next-february/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://politicalactionalerts.com/cruz-promises-fully-secured-border-by-next-february/</a>?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648908" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648908-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648908" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648908-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648908"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648908', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648908');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648908">November 25, 2024 9:19am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648926" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-krazykiwi odd alt thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>krazykiwi</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I see the <a href="https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143" rel="nofollow ugc">petition to call a new General Election</a> in the UK has passed 1.5m entries.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Surprise, surprise… same results!</p> <p>Roads are not pristine environments. Expect your car to get a few chips and dings. If you get upset by that then buy a $10k car.</p> <p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzta-under-fire-as-northland-mans-car-suffers-32000-damage-from-roadworks/IVWUEHPWOFEO3FQXR4XOGSWJMU/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzta-under-fire-as-northland-mans-car-suffers-32000-damage-from-roadworks/IVWUEHPWOFEO3FQXR4XOGSWJMU/</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648929" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648929-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">12</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648929" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648929-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648929"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648929', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648929');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648929">November 25, 2024 9:38am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648939" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mcos odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>MCōs</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Likewise don’t buy new carpet if there are toddlers in the house<br /> Stick with the old one and enjoy the kids</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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What the hikoi supported was special rights for maori to be acknowledged.</p> <p>Are there any media people left in NZ who will question things ?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649019" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649019-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">26</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649019" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649019-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649019"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649019', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649019');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649019">November 25, 2024 11:50am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649071" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-fender even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Fender</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Hes just not that bright I’m afraid, Its not 76 Montreal level disruption, remember Josh Kronfiled playing with a stop testing headband and a peace sign in France.<br /> I am more interested that none of his team mates are brave enough to call him out or stand away, Lewis Hamilton trying to get all the F1 drivers to take a knee springs to mind,funniest thing watch half of them stand and ignore him</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649071" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649071-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649071" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649071-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649071"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649071', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649071');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649071">November 25, 2024 1:35pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649087" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cunningham odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>SmokerGuy</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>I haven’t seen anyone explain how 17% of the country having a bigger say over the rest of us will somehow benefit everyone and that it is somehow for all of us not just Maori. I mean are they suggesting that the 87% of people in NZ don’t have this countries best interests at heart? So Maori need to have a bigger say so the country can be safeguarded? How does that make any sense at all? It’s all about money, power and politics imo.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649087" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649087-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">14</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649087" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649087-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649087"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649087', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649087');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649087">November 25, 2024 2:21pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3648936" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-bridgenag even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Bridgenag</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>DOGE this<br /> an aristocracy fails in the matrix</p> <p>meet brian. brian is a self-styled “media personality” from MSN and other venues.<br /> brian is frightened.<br /> i chose him because he seems an apt and representative example of a viewpoint emerging in response to the increasingly apparent roadmap of elon and vivek’s “DOGE” as others start to see what certain internet felines were discussing the other day about what’s coming to DC.<br /> what’s interesting is how much we agree on what’s in store for the swamp.<br /> obviously, there is some divergence on how we feel about it.</p> <p><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/doge-this?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email" rel="nofollow ugc">https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/doge-this?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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One might have been in the Navy and another in the Army, one might have been a driver and the other a parabat (aka meat bomb), one an officer and the other a private, one might have been to university and the other left school early. It does not really matter – they will have a common reference point.</p> <p>Apart from the racial divisions in South African society that everyone knows about, there was also a language division between English and Afrikaners. Even in the 1980s (and to a lesser extent today) there is animosity – particularly about the Boer war which ended in 1902.</p> <p>With their rise to power in 1948, the Afrikaners rebuilt the government system to serve the interests of Afrikaners above the interest of others (including English speaking whites). In theory English and Afrikaans speakers were equal. In practice they weren’t.</p> <p>In many ways, the split between Afrikaners and English speakers was very much like the current split between Whites and Maori in NZ.</p> <p>One place we saw this much less was in the Army. Sure, the Army was dominated by Afrikaners, and there were some Corporals etc that gleefully abused English speakers, but amongst recruits there was a mutual respect. You’re all the same – going through the same hell of basic training etc. English or Afrikaner – the other guys in your platoon became your brothers. That also extended out to others in your unit, your service and – ultimately – to all young men who did service as conscripts.</p> <p>That feeling last forever. 40 years on, I will meet people and there’s that instant bond and basis for understanding.</p> <p>I wonder. would conscription help in a positive way like that in NZ – to break down the wall that is growing in society?</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3648999" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3648999-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">10</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3648999" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3648999-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3648999"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3648999', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3648999');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3648999">November 25, 2024 11:28am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649006" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-taieri odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Taieri</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>There are many more benefits of conscription. Such as instilling sense of purpose, responsibility, self-discipline, social structure and so on.<br /> I’ve seen it in an organized activity, which while not military, provided changing point in many young people’s lives.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649006" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649006-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649006" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649006-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649006"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649006', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649006');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649006">November 25, 2024 11:34am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649042" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-burtland even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Burtland</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>If you reintroduce conscription theyll use it for brainwashing the country with DEI.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649042" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649042-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649042" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649042-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649042"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649042', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649042');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649042">November 25, 2024 12:21pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649064" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-nevermindthebollocks odd alt depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>NeverMindTheBollocks</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>That’s rugby here. Let’s hope TJ hasn’t put the kibosh on that.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649064" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649064-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">7</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649064" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649064-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649064"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649064', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649064');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649064">November 25, 2024 1:24pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649084" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-mcos even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>MCōs</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>NZ doesn’t need a standing army of that size and nor could we afford one.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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Kirk abolished Selective National Service, which is another thing altogether.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649095" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649095-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">11</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649095" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649095-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649095"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649095', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649095');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649095">November 25, 2024 2:46pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649222" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm odd alt depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Conscription is exactly the opposite of a standing army. The idea is to have everyone trained, but productive in the economy and therefor ready to deploy if needed.</p> <p>Conscriptiion is one of the cheapest ways to have an effective defence strategy. Switzerland spends less on defence than we do. Sweden and Norway just a shade more.</p> <p>I think we could have a far better defence capability by:<br /> a) focusing purely on non-expeditionary (ie. local defensive) capability.<br /> b) using constription rather than a large standing army.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649222" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649222-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649222" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649222-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649222"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649222', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649222');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649222">November 25, 2024 7:40pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649036" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-jack5 even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Jack5</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The national health crisis is here.</p> <p>Patients needing urgent treatment not making it on to waiting lists, says this GP.</p> <p>Keep up the high immigration rates and things will get worse.</p> <p>Watch NZ’s comparative level of health – real Gross Domestic Product per capita. “Real” for inflation adjusted.</p> <p>We’re down to 44th in GDP per capita. While India is still 150th, China 97th, and the Philippines 148th, there are millions more we can pull into the boat.</p> <p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/patients-referred-for-orthopaedic-surgery-not-even-making-waiting-lists/V4ZZJ23I2BFK5FQRNUR7Z532FE/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/patients-referred-for-orthopaedic-surgery-not-even-making-waiting-lists/V4ZZJ23I2BFK5FQRNUR7Z532FE/</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649036" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649036-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">8</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649036" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649036-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649036"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649036', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649036');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649036">November 25, 2024 12:09pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649082" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-in_vino_veritas odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 comdiv clearfix ckrating_highly_rated"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>In Vino Veritas</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <div style=""><p>So, the Government are making a settlement with Moriori. Because they were attacked by two Maori tribes, who killed 1 sixth of them, enslaved the rest and took control of the Chathams. And the Land Court didn’t recognise Moriori. FFS. How about the two tribes who killed and enslaved them make a settlement?</p> </div> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649082" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649082-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">21</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649082" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649082-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649082"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649082', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649082');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649082">November 25, 2024 2:07pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649097" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-blog-aholic even depth-2 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Blog-aholic</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>You mean Willie jackson ancestors…..the ones he proudly states he personally is not responsible for the wrongs done by said ancestors …..and yet here we are a settlement here, a settlement there, everywhere a settlement…..</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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IDGAF how but they are his words not mine.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649116" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649116-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649116" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649116-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">1</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649116"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649116', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649116');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649116">November 25, 2024 3:25pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649174" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-swifty odd alt depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Swifty</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Yep, at his speech in Parliament when he fronted the Labour government’s Chatmans (Moriori) treaty settlement he clearly stated he was descended from Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga.</p> <p>I watched it again only a few days ago.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649174" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649174-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649174" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649174-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649174"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649174', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649174');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649174">November 25, 2024 5:09pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649203" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-magsta even depth-5 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Maggy Wassilieff</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>You are correct…..</p> <p>Here is Willie Jackson’s speech in Parliament at the 3rd reading of the Moriori Claims Settlement Bill:</p> <p><i>It’s an honour and a privilege to speak in this third reading. For myself, as a descendant of Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga, it is without doubt a privilege and an honour. Some people might think it’s not right for someone like me to speak, given the mahi and what happened with my ancestors, but I’ve always said to a number of Moriori who I grew up with—some of the Solomon whānau in Māngere—that I couldn’t be held responsible for the acts of some of our tīpuna and some of our ancestors, as a lot of people would argue today, perhaps, with regards to what their ancestors did to Māori.</i></p> <p><a href="https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211123_051780000/jackson-willie" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211123_051780000/jackson-willie</a></p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649203" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649203-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">6</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649203" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649203-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649203"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649203', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649203');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649203">November 25, 2024 6:47pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649128" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-flossie odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Flossie</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Amongst other things. In fact mostly other things.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649128" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649128-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">4</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649128" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649128-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649128"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649128', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649128');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649128">November 25, 2024 3:42pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649147" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-steve even depth-3 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Steve Otto(North Shore)</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The google machine gives me this:<br /> Willie Jackson DNA Test Results<br /> 18% English<br /> 34% Chinese<br /> 25% Ashkenazi Jew<br /> 0.4% African<br /> 20% Polynesian<br /> 2% Spanish<br /> Multi millionaire<br /> Identifies as an oppressed Maori</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; 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The language is so out there that I do wonder if some of these people are funded by a certain large totalitarian regime as part of a divide and conquer project.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649202" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649202-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">5</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649202" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649202-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649202"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649202', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649202');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649202">November 25, 2024 6:43pm</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649250" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-jack5 odd alt depth-4 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>Jack5</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>Wily-Willie Jackson’s DNA analysis as listed by poster Steve Otto stops 0.6 per cent short of the “full quid” – 100 per cent.😃</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649250" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649250-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649250" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649250-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649250"><a class="hide-if-no-js" href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="safe_report_comments_flag_comment( '3649250', '260308da79', 'safe-comments-result-3649250');">Report</a></span></li><li class="comdate"><a href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/11/general_debate_25_november_2024.html#comment-3649250">November 26, 2024 12:07am</a></li> </ul> </footer> </div> </div> </article> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment-li"> <article id="comment-3649117" class="jumplink"> <div class="comment byuser comment-author-cmm even thread-even depth-1 comdiv clearfix"> <div class="comdiv-a"> <header class="comment-author"> <h3>cmm</h3> </header> <div class="comment-content nobot"> <p>The story surrounding Olivia Podmore’s suicide is extremely sad and is a warning to people attaching too much of their self-worth and identity to being high performers in any field.</p> <p>They’re trying to peg this on a toxic culture in cycling NZ, but I think there is at least a degree of this built in to anyone compelled to succeed.</p> <p>I had some similar issues when I was at school. I would certainly have topped myself if I had ever scored below 90% in a maths test.</p> <p>I think too that this can be hyped by parents attaching too much of their pride to their children’s sporting etc success. Children can easily develop the feeling that providing status for their families is their role and they are letting down the family or they will be unloved if they fail to perform.</p> <p>Anyway, it’s a sad business. Parents – be careful about how you handle your children’s success and how you push them.</p> </div> <footer class="comment-meta"> <ul> <li class="voting"> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="up-3649117" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_up.png" alt="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-3649117-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">12</span> <img style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: none;" id="down-3649117" src="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating-pro/images/1_14_gray_down.png" alt="Thumb down" /> <span id="karma-3649117-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">3</span> </li><li class="reply"><a rel="nofollow" class="comment-reply-login" href="https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?redirect_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiwiblog.co.nz%2F2024%2F11%2Fgeneral_debate_25_november_2024.html">Log in to Reply</a></li><li> <span id="safe-comments-result-3649117"><a class="hide-if-no-js" 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