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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks!_plus_Andrew" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks!_plus_Andrew"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Thanks! plus Andrew</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thanks!_plus_Andrew-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Autopatrolled" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Autopatrolled"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Autopatrolled</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Autopatrolled-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Earl of Moray's date of death</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thank_you" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thank_you"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Thank you</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Thank_you-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Linguist" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Linguist"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Linguist</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Linguist-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Congratulations!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Congratulations!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Congratulations!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Congratulations!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Beat_me_to_it!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Beat_me_to_it!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Beat me to it!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Beat_me_to_it!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Siege of St Andrews Castle</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Bastian Pagez - DYK?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Slighting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Slighting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Slighting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Slighting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Treaty of Fotheringhay and Capture of Berwick (1482), merge?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fotheringhay_Castle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fotheringhay_Castle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Fotheringhay Castle</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fotheringhay_Castle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Scottish battle order at Halidon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>James VI and I, called King of Scots</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_for_Moubray_House" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_for_Moubray_House"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>DYK for Moubray House</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-DYK_for_Moubray_House-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-improvements_to_a_related_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#improvements_to_a_related_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>improvements to a related article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-improvements_to_a_related_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Siege_of_Leith" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Siege_of_Leith"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Siege of Leith</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Siege_of_Leith-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Not or 1/2 Treasurer of Scotland - help!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">23 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Drumwassell's son leaves Morton's army, Erskine connection</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>DYK for Cunningham of Drumquhassle</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Marian_civil_war" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Marian_civil_war"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Marian civil war</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Marian_civil_war-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Moubray_House" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Moubray_House"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Moubray House</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Moubray_House-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Battle_of_Corriche" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Battle_of_Corriche"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Battle of Corriche</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Battle_of_Corriche-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#John_Chisholm/King's_Wark"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>John Chisholm/King's Wark</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-March_Wardens" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#March_Wardens"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>March Wardens</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-March_Wardens-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Renaissance_painting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Renaissance_painting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Renaissance painting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Renaissance_painting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Regent_Morton's_bairns" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Regent_Morton's_bairns"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Regent Morton's bairns</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Regent_Morton's_bairns-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Ulrik of Denmark (1578–1624)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Raid_of_Ruthven" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Raid_of_Ruthven"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Raid of Ruthven</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Raid_of_Ruthven-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pedro_de_Ayala" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pedro_de_Ayala"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Pedro de Ayala</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pedro_de_Ayala-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-EUP" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#EUP"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>EUP</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-EUP-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Rough Wooing: older spelling of Traprain Law</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Medieval_English_currency" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Medieval_English_currency"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Medieval English currency</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Medieval_English_currency-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Sources needed for Days of the Year pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-invalid_redirect" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#invalid_redirect"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>invalid redirect</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-invalid_redirect-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Henry Jetto and the Masque at the baptism of Prince Henry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-For_your_untiring_work:" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#For_your_untiring_work:"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>For your untiring work:</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-For_your_untiring_work:-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-James_Maxwell" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#James_Maxwell"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>James Maxwell</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-James_Maxwell-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>A bowl of strawberries for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Earls_of_Sutherland" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Earls_of_Sutherland"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Earls of Sutherland</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Earls_of_Sutherland-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Christian Friis</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Claud Hamilton of Shawfield</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>John Black (martyr) Ninian Winzet</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>John Black (martyr) Lynch on causes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Ladyland and Spanish blanks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Claud Hamilton of Shawfield (again)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate:_Revision_history" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" 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Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User:Jonathan Oldenbuck">Jonathan Oldenbuck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User talk:Jonathan Oldenbuck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-04-15T16:24:00.000Z-Ceilings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-04-15T16:24:00.000Z-Ceilings"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-04-15T16:24:00.000Z-Ceilings"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kinneil" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kinneil-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kinneil-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Kinneil<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kinneil-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Kinneil"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brendandh-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z-Kinneil"></span>Very glad to see this article. It's been on my 'to-do' list for a long time, but never got round to it. Well done! <a href="/wiki/User:Brendandh" title="User:Brendandh">Brendandh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brendandh" title="User talk:Brendandh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Brendandh-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z-Kinneil" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brendandh-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z-Kinneil"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brendandh-2010-05-12T10:03:00.000Z-Kinneil"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z"><span id="Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d.27Arces"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z"></span>Sieur de la Bastie <a href="/wiki/Antoine_d%27Arces" title="Antoine d'Arces">Antoine d'Arces</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Sieur de la Bastie Antoine d'Arces"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brendandh-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span>Any way that we may start an article on this much maligned March warden? A creature of Arran's and Mary's I think. I'm presently rural without ready access to hard copy, yet chatting to an old local chap here who was told by his grannie etc, how Bastie's head was shown on the mercat cross of Duns following his assassination by the Homes has got me quite interested. <a href="/wiki/User:Brendandh" title="User:Brendandh">Brendandh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brendandh" title="User talk:Brendandh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Brendandh-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brendandh-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brendandh-2010-10-22T01:25:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-22T16:33:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span>Antoine d'Arcy, sieur de la Bastie, started.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2010-10-22T16:33:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-22T16:33:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2010-10-22T16:33:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span>"Antoine d'Arces" might be the best name, as used in France, could be moved, though I don't know how.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-10-25T11:50:00.000Z-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Unoquha, another great addition. I have seen his name as "Antoine d'Arces", and also anglicised as "Anthony D'Arcy" (in <a href="/wiki/George_MacDonald_Fraser" title="George MacDonald Fraser">George MacDonald Fraser</a>'s <i>The Steel Bonnets</i>). The former might be the most appropriate as you say. I can move the article if you want me to, or you can do it yourself via the "move" link, it is under the arrow next to the star, at the top of the page. Full details at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOVE">WP:MOVE</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User:Jonathan Oldenbuck">Jonathan Oldenbuck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User talk:Jonathan Oldenbuck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-10-25T11:50:00.000Z-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-10-25T11:50:00.000Z-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2010-10-25T11:50:00.000Z-Unoquha-2010-10-23T08:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-25T13:30:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span>Moved, thanks for edit too, (he is D'arses in English letters!).<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2010-10-25T13:30:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2010-10-25T13:30:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2010-10-25T13:30:00.000Z-Sieur_de_la_Bastie_Antoine_d'Arces"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Naming_conventions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Naming_conventions-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Naming_conventions-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z"></span>Naming conventions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Naming_conventions-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Naming conventions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PatGallacher-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z-Naming_conventions"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to <a href="/wiki/Agnes_Dunbar_(mistress)" title="Agnes Dunbar (mistress)">Agnes Dunbar (mistress)</a>, without good reason. They need to have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. We have some <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions">guidelines</a> in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. Take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcome" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Welcome">welcome page</a> to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. This move was badly misconceived, there could be some serious reasons why the naming conventions in relation to people are not the same as ships, if you disagree raise it at the appropriate places. This smacks of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">WP:POINT</a>) and maybe even harassment (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HA">WP:HA</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:PatGallacher" title="User:PatGallacher">PatGallacher</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PatGallacher" title="User talk:PatGallacher">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-PatGallacher-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z-Naming_conventions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PatGallacher-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z-Naming_conventions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PatGallacher-2010-11-12T01:19:00.000Z-Naming_conventions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks!_plus_Andrew" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks!_plus_Andrew-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"><span id="Thanks.21_plus_Andrew"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks!_plus_Andrew-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! plus Andrew<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks!_plus_Andrew-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Thanks! plus Andrew"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z-Thanks!_plus_Andrew"></span>Thank you very much for the Leicester links! I'd say <a href="/wiki/Andrew_Dudley" title="Andrew Dudley">Andrew Dudley</a> is a really nice article now and could be a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">Good Article</a> with some sources formatting etc. I'd hope that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a> is not an issue with such a little-known figure. If you are o.k. with this, I'd would do the work necessary as I can (without removing/changing content, of course); but for the moment I am too lazy anyway ... just asking ... <a href="/wiki/User:Buchraeumer" title="User:Buchraeumer">Buchraeumer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buchraeumer" title="User talk:Buchraeumer">talk</a>) 22:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC) Cheers, carry on.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z-Thanks!_plus_Andrew" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z-Thanks!_plus_Andrew"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z-Thanks!_plus_Andrew"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T23:12:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Will do. Thanks again for your interesting stuff around here! <a href="/wiki/User:Buchraeumer" title="User:Buchraeumer">Buchraeumer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buchraeumer" title="User talk:Buchraeumer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T23:12:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T23:12:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T23:12:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2010-11-20T22:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autopatrolled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autopatrolled-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autopatrolled-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Autopatrolled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autopatrolled-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Autopatrolled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bender235-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z-Autopatrolled"></span>I nominated you for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autopatrolled" title="Wikipedia:Autopatrolled">autopatrolled user right</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Bender235" title="User:Bender235">bender235</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bender235" title="User talk:Bender235">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Bender235-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z-Autopatrolled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bender235-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z-Autopatrolled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bender235-2010-12-25T12:20:00.000Z-Autopatrolled"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death" data-mw-thread-id="h-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"><span id="Earl_of_Moray.27s_date_of_death"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"></span>Earl of Moray's date of death<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Earl of Moray's date of death"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death"></span>It appears that you are correct about Moray having been killed on 23 January 1570 rather than Fraser's 11 January. Might I suggest, however, that you include as a hatnote Fraser's alternative date as well as the Calendar State Papers noting his letter written the 20th January. They can go after the Spottiswoode reference for his death date in the lead. This way, readers can see that there are different dates given, and hopefully will prevent the date from being constantly changed.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User:Jeanne boleyn">Jeanne Boleyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User talk:Jeanne boleyn">talk</a>) 16:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC) Thank you for this, I'll have a go, though Saturday that week appears to have been the 21st!<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-Earl_of_Moray's_date_of_death"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-25T08:01:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"></span>Your hatnotes look good. If Saturday was the 21st perhaps we should just remove the day and leave 23 January to avoid confusion. It's possible Spottiswoode miscalculated and added Saturday in error. If Moray wrote a letter from Stirling on the 20th, given the state of the Scottish terrain at the height of winter, it's unlikely he could have been at Linlithgow the following day. I say we leave the 23 January date, but omit the word Saturday.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User:Jeanne boleyn">Jeanne Boleyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User talk:Jeanne boleyn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-25T08:01:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-25T08:01:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-25T08:01:00.000Z-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z"></span>Thank you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Thank you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span>Thanks for the excellent additions to the <a href="/wiki/Agnes_Keith,_Countess_of_Moray" title="Agnes Keith, Countess of Moray">Agnes Keith, Countess of Moray</a> article. The affair of the jewels is interesting, and I'm pleased that you have expanded it.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User:Jeanne boleyn">Jeanne Boleyn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeanne_boleyn" title="User talk:Jeanne boleyn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z-Thank_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z-Thank_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeanne_boleyn-2011-02-12T21:53:00.000Z-Thank_you"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Linguist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Linguist-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Linguist-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"></span>Linguist<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Linguist-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Linguist"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z-Linguist"></span>In response to your query about the use of "polyglot" instead of "linguist" in the article on James IV of Scotland: if you consult a dictionary, "linguist" usually has two main definitions, someone fluent in or skilled at languages, and someone who studies linguistics. "Polyglot" is the preferred term for someone fluent in many languages, since it is unambiguous, and since there's no other word for someone who studies linguistics. (Not all linguists are polyglots) Note that on Wikipedia, "linguist" forwards to "linguistics", not a disambiguation page. </p><p>In the context of James IV, he was clearly a polyglot, and not a practitioner of linguistics, so "polyglot" is a better term. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.28.163.61" title="Special:Contributions/108.28.163.61">108.28.163.61</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:108.28.163.61" title="User talk:108.28.163.61">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z-Linguist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z-Linguist"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z-Linguist"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"></span>Excepting his experiment in linguistics reported by <a href="/wiki/Robert_Lindsay_of_Pitscottie" title="Robert Lindsay of Pitscottie">Robert Lindsay of Pitscottie</a>, mentioned in the article and some linguistics primers. You won't find a dictionary older than I am that makes your distinction, O tempera, O mores! many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) 00:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC) I fixed the refs for the 'experiment', in <a href="/wiki/Language_deprivation_experiments" title="Language deprivation experiments">Language deprivation experiments</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-01T22:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z"></span>I'll take that as a friendly challenge! I don't know how old you are, but the <a href="/wiki/Century_Dictionary" title="Century Dictionary">Century Dictionary</a> is certainly older, at about 120 years (that, or you should be much much more famous). Wordnik.com has made the whole thing searchable online, and the second def for "linguist" is "A student of language; a philologist,"<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.wordnik.com/words/linguist">[1]</a> with "<a href="/wiki/Philologist" class="mw-redirect" title="Philologist">philologist</a>" being what linguists were called before "linguist" and "linguistics" became the norm. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.28.163.61" title="Special:Contributions/108.28.163.61">108.28.163.61</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:108.28.163.61" title="User talk:108.28.163.61">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z-Unoquha-2011-03-02T00:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:18:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z"></span>I would have said that philology in 1890 was more to do with <a href="/wiki/Etymology" title="Etymology">Etymology</a> than modern linguistics, but again wikipedia doesn't agree with me.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:18:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:18:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:18:00.000Z-108.28.163.61-2011-03-02T14:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Congratulations!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Congratulations!-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"><span id="Congratulations.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Congratulations!-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Congratulations!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Congratulations!-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Congratulations!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Andrew_Dudley" title="Andrew Dudley"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z-Congratulations!"></span>Andrew Dudley</a><span class="noviewer" typeof="mw:File"><span title="Good article"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/31px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> has made it! Thank you so much for the article! And for finding those nice little details (dogs, tapestries ...) <a href="/wiki/User:Buchraeumer" title="User:Buchraeumer">Buchraeumer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buchraeumer" title="User talk:Buchraeumer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z-Congratulations!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z-Congratulations!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z-Congratulations!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:20:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"></span>Congratulations! you've devoted much time to this.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:20:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:20:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2011-03-02T16:20:00.000Z-Buchraeumer-2011-03-02T15:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Beat_me_to_it!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Beat_me_to_it!-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="Beat_me_to_it.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Beat_me_to_it!-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Beat me to it!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Beat_me_to_it!-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Beat me to it!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z-Beat_me_to_it!"></span>Hi, Robert Logan is one of those that has been sitting on my 'to-do' list for ages. Will dip in where I can. Good stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:Brendandh" title="User:Brendandh">Brendandh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brendandh" title="User talk:Brendandh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z-Beat_me_to_it!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z-Beat_me_to_it!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z-Beat_me_to_it!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2011-04-09T22:33:00.000Z-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Quick response! don't mention it etc. I think his namesake dad & grandad were interesting folk. Maybe they would be best dealt with on the same page.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2011-04-09T22:33:00.000Z-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2011-04-09T22:33:00.000Z-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2011-04-09T22:33:00.000Z-Brendandh-2011-04-09T21:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z"></span>Siege of St Andrews Castle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Siege of St Andrews Castle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adamdaley-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle"></span>Unoquha</a>, </p><p>Article: <a href="/wiki/Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle" title="Siege of St Andrews Castle">Siege of St Andrews Castle</a>. </p><p>You have done a good job of the above so far. "We" (the WikiProject Military History Coordinators) encourage you to to improve the article to something around a "B class". At the moment it really needs an Infobox and an image, even a map. I personally encourage you to keep working on this one article, because it could become a good article and a worthwhile read to readers. <a href="/wiki/User:Adamdaley" title="User:Adamdaley">Adamdaley</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adamdaley" title="User talk:Adamdaley">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Adamdaley-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 10 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adamdaley-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adamdaley-2011-11-10T22:31:00.000Z-Siege_of_St_Andrews_Castle"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z"><span id="Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z"></span>Bastian Pagez - DYK?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Bastian Pagez - DYK?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mais_oui!-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?"></span>Nice work on the new <a href="/wiki/Bastian_Pagez" title="Bastian Pagez">Bastian Pagez</a> article. It looks like a good candidate for a <a href="/wiki/T:TDYK" class="mw-redirect" title="T:TDYK">T:TDYK</a> nomination. Are you aware of any suitable free images? Cheers. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mais_oui!" title="User:Mais oui!">Mais oui!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mais_oui!" title="User talk:Mais oui!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Mais_oui!-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mais_oui!-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mais_oui!-2011-11-20T17:46:00.000Z-Bastian_Pagez_-_DYK?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Slighting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Slighting-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Slighting-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z"></span>Slighting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Slighting-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Slighting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z-Slighting"></span>While I do not disagree with your edit to <a href="/wiki/Slighting" title="Slighting">Slighting</a>, I am not sure that the source does support the extension that you have added. Would you be so kind as to point out on which page of the various sources provided that say that Dunbar was slighted? I have got half way to added the text of the Treaty of Edinburgh to Wikisource -- which talks about demolition and razing them to the ground -- but got sidetracked with the text for the Treaty of Berwick, and ran out of steam for the moment (see <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Philip_Baird_Shearer/Sand_Box#Treaty_of_Leith,_and_sometimes_that_of_Treaty_of_Edinburgh" class="extiw" title="s:User:Philip Baird Shearer/Sand Box">my Sand Box on wikisource</a> ). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Philip_Baird_Shearer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Philip Baird Shearer">PBS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Philip_Baird_Shearer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Philip Baird Shearer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z-Slighting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z-Slighting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Philip_Baird_Shearer-2012-01-09T01:04:00.000Z-Slighting"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-01-09T01:18:00.000Z-Slighting"></span>Nice that you are checking. An inspection for the 1560 Dunbar slighting and an allocation of the work and a note of (slow) progress is in the <i>Calendar of State Papers Scotland</i> vol.1 (1898), so I've put that ref on the page, and is already summarised in <a href="/wiki/Dunbar_Castle" title="Dunbar Castle">Dunbar Castle</a>. The final 1567 slightings happened after the defeat of Mary, queen of Scots. Samuel Haynes, <i>Collection of State Papers</i>, (1740) gives other info and treaty detail, <i>Foedera</i> is harder to find on googlebooks but the treaty texts are complete.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-01-09T01:18:00.000Z-Slighting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-01-09T01:18:00.000Z-Slighting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-01-09T01:18:00.000Z-Slighting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z"><span id="Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_.281482.29.2C_merge.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Treaty_of_Fotheringhay" class="mw-redirect" title="Treaty of Fotheringhay">Treaty of Fotheringhay</a> and <a href="/wiki/Capture_of_Berwick_(1482)" class="mw-redirect" title="Capture of Berwick (1482)">Capture of Berwick (1482)</a>, merge?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Treaty of Fotheringhay and Capture of Berwick (1482), merge?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"></span>For anyone curious on this; I've put a lot of what I think is interesting about these events on "Treaty of Fotheringhay", but it seems to me that it would be better moving that content to "Capture of Berwick (1482)", and leaving "Treaty of Fotheringhay" as its redirect. This is beyond me, yet I know that cut'n'paste moves are not quite right. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-02-11T23:50:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-02-12T01:15:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"></span>I went ahead as cut'N'paste, as the destination was pre-existing so it seemed reasonable.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-02-12T01:15:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-02-12T01:15:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-02-12T01:15:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Fotheringhay_and_Capture_of_Berwick_(1482),_merge?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fotheringhay_Castle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fotheringhay_Castle-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fotheringhay_Castle-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Fotheringhay_Castle" title="Fotheringhay Castle">Fotheringhay Castle</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fotheringhay_Castle-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Fotheringhay Castle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z-Fotheringhay_Castle"></span>Hi Unoquha, I noticed <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fotheringhay_Castle&diff=prev&oldid=476163759">this edit</a> to the above article and was wandering if you could provide more detailed bibliographic information in line with the way the rest of the article is formatted? Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Nev1" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nev1">Nev1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nev1" title="User talk:Nev1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z-Fotheringhay_Castle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z-Fotheringhay_Castle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z-Fotheringhay_Castle"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nev1-2012-03-26T16:41:00.000Z-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for sorting that out, I was a little lost trying to find the details of that particular volume. <a href="/wiki/User:Nev1" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nev1">Nev1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nev1" title="User talk:Nev1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Nev1-2012-03-26T16:41:00.000Z-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nev1-2012-03-26T16:41:00.000Z-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nev1-2012-03-26T16:41:00.000Z-Nev1-2012-03-22T01:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z"></span>Scottish battle order at Halidon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Scottish battle order at Halidon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brendandh-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"></span>Hi, added a few links to characters in your list. One thing perplexes me however, there are names in there of some of the 'disinherited', who would surely have been in Balliol's array? <a href="/wiki/User:Brendandh" title="User:Brendandh">Brendandh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brendandh" title="User talk:Brendandh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Brendandh-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brendandh-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brendandh-2012-08-01T08:12:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-08-01T10:14:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"></span>Thank you for checking this. It would be good to have a line referenced from a secondary source, saying that this ancient genuine list might be inaccurate, both in some personnel and numbers. (Not something I know much about: it would be good story if some people had changed sides: or that the list "slipped in" deliberately some other names for their posterity's sake.) <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-08-01T10:14:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-08-01T10:14:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-08-01T10:14:00.000Z-Scottish_battle_order_at_Halidon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots" data-mw-thread-id="h-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z"><span id="James_VI_and_I.2C_called_King_of_Scots"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/James_VI_and_I" title="James VI and I">James VI and I</a>, called King of Scots<span data-mw-comment-end="h-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: James VI and I, called King of Scots"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mugginsx-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"></span>I don't want to play Wiki games with you. Cannot prove a negative. I am too busy anyway. Will let a very qualified administrator decide who is familiar with the article. It is not personal - just don't think it should be there. <a href="/wiki/User:Mugginsx" title="User:Mugginsx">Mugginsx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mugginsx" title="User talk:Mugginsx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Mugginsx-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mugginsx-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mugginsx-2012-09-10T22:46:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-09-10T22:59:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"></span>No worries. It's an interesting point often remarked on in the UK, with the sentiment that the "monarch of Scots", the Kings and Queen of Scots ruled over their people, not a territory. The sentiment may be later than the 16th century.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-09-10T22:59:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-09-10T22:59:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-09-10T22:59:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-23T09:50:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots"></span>The special sentiment that the monarch of Scotland was King of the people, and not the land, so King of Scots, is an old one founded legends on the election of Fergus I. It turns up in discussions about the monarchy in the 1570s, see <a href="/wiki/Marian_civil_war" title="Marian civil war">Marian civil war</a>, e,g., Both George Buchanan and David Chambers were patriotic writers, and shared a view of the nature of Scottish kingship drawn from part of a myth, that the Scots had been a migrant people from <a href="/wiki/Scythia" title="Scythia">Scythia</a> who had elected their first King, <a href="/wiki/Fergus_M%C3%B3r" title="Fergus Mór">Fergus I</a>, in response to a crisis, 251 years after their arrival in the land of Scotland.(Williamson, Arthur H., (1979), 119-20, citing Chambers, <i>Histoire</i> (1579)'Singularitez', f.13a). <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-23T09:50:00.000Z-James_VI_and_I,_called_King_of_Scots" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 23 December 2012 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.tmbox-speedy{background-color:#310402}}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output table.tmbox img{max-width:none!important}</style><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#14_September_2012" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">14 September 2012</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know?</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Moubray_House" title="Moubray House">Moubray House</a></b></i>, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was <i>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Moubray_House" title="Moubray House">Moubray House</a></b>, one of the oldest buildings on Edinburgh's <a href="/wiki/Royal_Mile" title="Royal Mile">Royal Mile</a>, was once the premises of <a href="/wiki/Archibald_Constable" title="Archibald Constable">Archibald Constable</a>, the owner of the </i><a href="/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica" title="Encyclopædia Britannica">Encyclopædia Britannica</a><i>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Moubray_House" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Moubray House">Template:Did you know nominations/Moubray House</a>. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201209/Moubray_House">quick check</a>)</small> and it will be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKSTATS">DYKSTATS</a> if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know? talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Panyd" title="User:Panyd">Panyd</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Panyd" title="User talk:Panyd">The muffin is not subtle</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Panyd-2012-09-14T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Moubray_House" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 14 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Panyd-2012-09-14T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Moubray_House"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Panyd-2012-09-14T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Moubray_House"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="improvements_to_a_related_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-improvements_to_a_related_article-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-improvements_to_a_related_article-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z"></span>improvements to a related article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-improvements_to_a_related_article-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: improvements to a related article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ealingbroadwayresident-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z-improvements_to_a_related_article"></span>Unoquha i see you have made improvements to the article on <a href="/wiki/William_Eure,_1st_Baron_Eure" title="William Eure, 1st Baron Eure">William Eure, 1st Baron Eure</a>. Could you possibly do the same for this family <a href="/wiki/Palmes_family" title="Palmes family">Palmes</a> which was connected with the Eure family? The article needs quite a bit of clearing up. Thank you (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ealingbroadwayresident&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ealingbroadwayresident (page does not exist)">Ealingbroadwayresident</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ealingbroadwayresident&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Ealingbroadwayresident (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ealingbroadwayresident-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z-improvements_to_a_related_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ealingbroadwayresident-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z-improvements_to_a_related_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ealingbroadwayresident-2012-10-02T18:45:00.000Z-improvements_to_a_related_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Siege_of_Leith" data-mw-thread-id="h-Siege_of_Leith-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Siege_of_Leith-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z"></span>Siege of Leith<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Siege_of_Leith-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Siege of Leith"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"></span>Hi there. I've enjoyed our collaboration in tweaking the above article. I suspect you're the originator, so I just wanted to say that I find it very well written and full of fascinating detail which, I imagine, would normally be hard to come by. <a href="/wiki/User:Kim_Traynor" title="User:Kim Traynor">Kim Traynor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kim_Traynor" title="User talk:Kim Traynor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T00:42:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"></span>Well, I just expanded it (last Christmas). There is a huge quantity of published sources, mostly on-line, and links to most of these in the article. These sources do compare well and agree on most points, the difficult point being the number of casualties on 7 May 1560, where I've tried to indicate the problem. I guess that some exaggeration of the number may have suited both sides, the English commanders being keen to get more resources or a resolution. As Knox mentions the fallen on that day, and has Mary of Guise make the 'tapestry' remark, it seems useful to emphasise this here, as an incident that had key significance at the time.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z-Siege_of_Leith"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z"></span>I was indeed wondering whether the words "fair tapestry" should be in quotation marks? <a href="/wiki/User:Kim_Traynor" title="User:Kim Traynor">Kim Traynor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kim_Traynor" title="User talk:Kim Traynor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T09:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z"></span>I've indented the whole Knox quote beneath, with his alleged quote of Mary of Guise. Seems a good way of doing this, handling primary-source quotes, to report the key point and then quote the text.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T13:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T15:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Of course. That was a bit stupid of me not to notice the phrase's occurrence in the longer extract. <a href="/wiki/User:Kim_Traynor" title="User:Kim Traynor">Kim Traynor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kim_Traynor" title="User talk:Kim Traynor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T15:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T15:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-28T15:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"></span>Not at all, I put the quote in full on the page only after you mentioned it at 13:18.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-29T13:39:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z"></span>Phew! Good to know I'm not losing my marbles after all! <a href="/wiki/User:Kim_Traynor" title="User:Kim Traynor">Kim Traynor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kim_Traynor" title="User talk:Kim Traynor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-29T13:39:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-29T13:39:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kim_Traynor-2012-11-29T13:39:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-11-28T22:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"><span id="Not_or_1.2F2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Not or 1/2 Treasurer of Scotland - help!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Not or 1/2 Treasurer of Scotland - help!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>Can you help? I'm researching for an article on Cunningham of Drumquhassle, a supporter of the Earl of Lennox and apparently Treasurer of Scotland during his regency from July 1570 to June 1571 (according to two sources he was Collector-General <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFBrown" class="citation web cs1">Brown, KM. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.rps.ac.uk/trans/A1570/10/1">"Records of the Parliaments of Scotland"</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=unknown&rft.btitle=Records+of+the+Parliaments+of+Scotland&rft.aulast=Brown&rft.aufirst=KM&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rps.ac.uk%2Ftrans%2FA1570%2F10%2F1&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AUnoquha" class="Z3988"></span> and Treasurer <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFThomson1833" class="citation book cs1">Thomson, Thomas (1833). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://archive.org/stream/diurnalofremarka00thom#page/180/mode/2up"><i>A diurnal of ... Scotland</i></a>. Bannatyne Club. p. 180.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=A+diurnal+of+...+Scotland&rft.pages=180&rft.pub=Bannatyne+Club&rft.date=1833&rft.aulast=Thomson&rft.aufirst=Thomas&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fstream%2Fdiurnalofremarka00thom%23page%2F180%2Fmode%2F2up&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AUnoquha" class="Z3988"></span>). However, a third source (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFE._B._Pryde,_D._E._Greenway,_S._Porter,_I._Roy2003" class="citation book cs1">E. B. Pryde, D. E. Greenway, S. Porter, I. Roy (2003). <i>Handbook of British Chronology</i> (3rd ed.). Royal Historical Society. p. 188. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/052156350X" title="Special:BookSources/052156350X"><bdi>052156350X</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=Handbook+of+British+Chronology&rft.pages=188&rft.edition=3rd&rft.pub=Royal+Historical+Society&rft.date=2003&rft.isbn=052156350X&rft.au=E.+B.+Pryde%2C+D.+E.+Greenway%2C+S.+Porter%2C+I.+Roy&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AUnoquha" class="Z3988"></span><span class="cs1-maint citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_book" title="Template:Cite book">cite book</a>}}</code>: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (<a href="/wiki/Category:CS1_maint:_multiple_names:_authors_list" title="Category:CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list">link</a>)</span>) omits Drumquhassle (and William Stewart, listed in the WP article) completely, jumping direct from Richardson to Ruthven. </p><p>This is where you could come in - you added "Accounts of the Treasurer of Scotland Volume 12" to the <a href="/wiki/Treasurer_of_Scotland" title="Treasurer of Scotland">Treasurer of Scotland</a> article. Do you have access to it? Can you confirm whether Drumquhassle was indeed Treasurer? Of course, given the political turmoil in Scotland at that time, the absence of records may not prove he wasn't Treasurer, and I'd value your opinion on that too. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:15:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span>John Cunningham of Drumquhassle was not the Treasurer. He was Captain of Dumbarton Castle, and <b>Master of the Royal Household</b> for Mary, Queen of Scots and James VI. He may have been a 'Collector of Thirds', certainly as Master Household he was in charge of spending that royal income stream. In <i>Accounts of the Treasurer</i>, vol.12 (1970), p.365, 3 November 1573, he was paid £54-6s, as, "Capitaine of Dumbertane and maister houshald to oure soverane lord the Kingis majestie", for the work of a silversmith re-making some silver plate. This is about the only time he turns up in <i>TA</i>, vol.12. However, he may feature in Donaldson, Gordon, ed., <i>Accounts of the Thirds of Benefices</i>, SHS, which I haven't got. He features in quite a lot of narratives though. Good luck with the article.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:15:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:15:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:15:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Also, the parliament record linked above means that Drumquhassle was appointed in October 1570 to be the Collector of a special one-off tax raised to send ambassadors to England. So he was in charge of issuing receipts and making sure the money was paid. (May have been an earner for him too: but would have been a gamble if he was liable for shortfalls.) Hope that helps.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T16:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z"></span>But, you can say that, "the anonymous author of the <i>Diurnal of Occurrents</i> stated that Drumquhassle was made half (joint) treasurer with Robert Richardson in 1570", which is certainly true of that author, but not supported by the extant exchequer records. (The <i>Diurnalist</i> may have been thinking of the Collector job.)<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Thanks very much. I'm finding it quite a challenge to unpick the work of old historians and the situation is made worse by a character who seems to drift in and out of the narrative. I was aware of his captaincy of Dumbarton Castle - probably why he was picked to assist in the assault to recover it from Mary's sympathisers in 1571 (oops, actually the result of this). I suspected that there were a number of people involved in the treasury (not least because Drumquhassle doesn't seem to have had high enough status), but your insight clarifies things. I'll let you know when my article is ready and let you look it over before taking it out of my sandbox. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-18T12:40:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z"></span>If you'd like to read my final draft, you'll find it in my <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman/sandbox" title="User:Wikiwayman/sandbox">sandbox</a>. You'll see that I've avoided the issue of treasurer altogether as the text is already confusing enough to the lay reader. You'll also see that I've had to weave in a summary of the politics of the time thoughout the article to make sense of the Drumquhassle story.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>No rush - I'll post it in January 2013, as I'm still thinking of a DYK - something like "... did you know that <b>John Cunningham</b> escaped one charge of treason, only to be hanged for another?". Any input or comment would be appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-18T12:40:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-18T12:40:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-18T12:40:00.000Z-Wikiwayman-2012-12-07T19:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T13:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Looking very good, with coverage of some complicated areas of Scottish history. There is a primary source quote (verifiable on line) for John Cunningham of Drumquhassle. He was mentioned at least 6 times in the letters of the English diplomat Robert Bowes who observed the Gowrie regime. After the Gowrie regime crumbled, JCoD was interrogated in August 1583 and it looked like he was going to be made to carry the can, and Bowes also mentions who his friends were;<blockquote><p>"But the first draught thereof, which I have seen, is thought to be so sharp, especially to Gowrye, as labour is made to qualify it; and thereon it is either to be mitigated or otherwise wholly stayed. Drumwhassell hath been straitly examined for many matters, touching the delivery of Dunbarton to her Majesty, conference with the laird of Clysh and Mr. John Colville, severally, and for the bringing in of the Hamiltons to the extreme danger of the King, with many other like effects; wherein he hath in some things confessed that he had conference with others; chiefly for the home-coming of the Hamiltons, which is made a great matter here; as at meeting I shall show you. Argyle and his wife, with Glencarne, have been suitors for him; nevertheless he remaineth in ward with the guard, but he is in comfort to be shortly delivered."</p></blockquote> This is, <i>Correspondence of Robert Bowes of Aske</i>, Surtees Society (1842), p.564, Bowes to Walsingham, he is mentioned on pp.195, 197, 502 also, probably others. Here with link *Stevenson, Joseph (1842). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wksJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q&f=false"><i>Correspondence of Robert Bowes, of Aske, Esquire</i></a>. London: J. B. Nichols and Son. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T13:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T13:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T13:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-07T18:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T17:42:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> And also, the early 17th writer <a href="/wiki/David_Hume_of_Godscroft" title="David Hume of Godscroft">David Hume of Godscroft</a> gives Cunningham, Master of Drumquhassle a kind of epitaph, in the <i>History of the House of Douglas</i>. Godscroft describes that he and Malcolm Douglas of the Mains were executed at the direction of James Stewart, earl of Arran.</p><blockquote><p>"This Cunninghame was an ancient Gentleman, and of an old house, who (himself in person had beene a follower of the <a href="/wiki/Matthew_Stewart,_4th_Earl_of_Lennox" title="Matthew Stewart, 4th Earl of Lennox">Earle of Lennox</a> (the Kings Grandfather) and had done him good service when he took in the Castle of Dumbartan, ... yet both were hanged at the Market Crosse of Edinburgh. The pretext was a forged conspiracie to have take the King on a certain day at hunting, and to have carried him to England. Their accuser was Robert Hamilton of Inschemachon (Inchmachan) ... with a tale which was so unhandsome, toyish and ridiculous, that no man did beleeve it."</p></blockquote><p> From, Reid, David, ed., <i>Godscroft's History of the House of Angus</i>, vol.2, STS (2005), pp.329-330. The unbelievable tale from 1585 still survives in its original form, involving horses with cut-tails, and can be read in an HMC report, which I'll find. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T17:42:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T17:42:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T17:42:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:01:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>This toyish unbelievable accusation, including the horses with cut-tails to carry off the King which mentions <b>Robert</b> Cunningham, (?Master of Drumquhassle), was made by James Edmonstone of Duntreath at Edinburgh Castle on 16 February 1585. Edmonstone's informant was "Blak Johnne Hume of the the Law." It is printed in Historical Manuscripts Commission: <i>Report on the Laing Manuscripts at Edinburgh University</i>, vol.1 (1914), pp.38-9. </p><p>(From these two references alone, it's not to clear to me if there was a Robert Cunningham, Master of Drumquhassle, and a concurrent John Cunningham, Laird of Drumquhassle. If so, the Master might have been John the Laird's uncle.You might know already) <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:01:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:01:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:01:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:13:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>Just one more thing; I see in your draft you have the execution dittays subsequent to Black Johnny Hume of the Law's accusation from Pitcairn's <i>Ancient Trials</i>. This was in <i>February 1585</i> or February 1584/5, Scotland and England then officially reckoned the year number changed in April, as the tax/financial year still does. (Old-style and new-style dates. Every 16th century date in January, February, March is at risk of this confusion) <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:13:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:13:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:13:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>And, see <i>Register of the Privy Council of Scotland</i>, vol.3 (1880), pp.722-3 & footnote, 724-5, 729. The footnote, p.723 explains that Malcolm Douglas of Mains, the co-accused was Drumquhasle's son-law, and says that Angus and the banished Scottish lords in England claimed the accusation was frivolous. (The point about the horses in the accusation was that the accused had disguised and dishevelled their best horses to make them look like old ones that wouldn't be suitable for an adventure, and dressed themselves like beggars.) Another identical copy of Edmonstone's version of Black Johnny's story is printed in <i>Calendar State Papers Scotland</i>, vol.7 (1913), pp.563-4. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-19T15:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z"></span>I can see this subject has caught your imagination too! I'll work through your comments (thanks for including references) and add them in where I can. If you want to edit my sandbox directly, I'm not precious about it, or about sharing the DYK.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks for your point about the dates, it had occurred to me that there was something strange going on with dates in different sources. I'll add that to the article as a note in case somebody goes back to a source and repeats my mistake in good faith.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>As for more detail on the treason trial of 1585, I think it is merited. I didn't put the detail into the Douglas of Mains article as I wasn't confident of the sources (except perhaps Pitcairn, note the comment at DoM about romanticised history).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Master Robert CoD - I think this is a mis-titling of JCoD's third son, see <a href="/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United_Kingdom#Heirs-apparent_and_heirs-presumptive_of_Scottish_peers" title="Forms of address in the United Kingdom">this article</a>. However, it was his second son (William) who eventually got fingered for conspiracy to this treason, while his heir apparent (John) was fingered for conspiracy in the 1579 treason charge. If one considers that this was more of a witch-hunt than serious pursuit of justice, it wouldn't have really mattered who was to hang, so long as they were perceived to be against Arran's party. I don't think it would have been JCoD's uncle as he would have needed to have outlived Andrew CoD by some 30 years, JCoD already had grown-up children and I cannot see any political benefit to Arran's party in hanging an old man of at least 60 years. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-19T15:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-19T15:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-19T15:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-18T18:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-19T18:58:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>All good thinking. This may not be an important strand for you: Looking at David Hume of Godscroft, the later chronicler, his thinking is that the Robert Cunningham Master of Drumquhassle is the uncle, the old laird's younger brother, so he is "ancient" (perhaps even 70), and so Godscroft would be saying that this Robert, MoD, like the earl of Glencairn of the time, had supported Matthew earl of Lennox in his rebellion against Regent Arran and Mary of Guise in 1543-4, (see <a href="/wiki/Dalkeith_Palace" title="Dalkeith Palace">Dalkeith Palace</a>, <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Glasgow_(1544)" title="Battle of Glasgow (1544)">Battle of Glasgow (1544)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cumbernauld_Castle" title="Cumbernauld Castle">Cumbernauld Castle</a>, etc.) This is quite possible, making him a close contemporary e.g., of the masters of work [[William Macdowall], <a href="/wiki/Robert_Drummond_of_Carnock" title="Robert Drummond of Carnock">Robert Drummond of Carnock</a>, and of <a href="/wiki/Regent_Morton" class="mw-redirect" title="Regent Morton">Regent Morton</a>, and young Morton certainly was involved in the 1543-4 rebellion.</dd></dl> <p>And in the context of the "disguising your best horses as knackered" story, employing an old man in the conspiracy fits nicely. In political terms too, hanging this old venerable fellow, an ornament to the family, fount of totemic knowledge etc., not the head but the eldest man, would be deliberately shocking and demonstrative, and an affront to the earl of Glencairn too. (The passage in Godscroft is among list of the shortcomings and political angles of James Stewart, earl of Arran). So this is how I read Godscroft's quote above, though it is the opposite of your line, apologies! </p><p>Still, Godscroft may be mistaken, and this Robert Master could have been a young man, as you suggest. So, in order to show that Godscroft was probably correct, all that may be needed is any reference to an adult Robert Cunningham, Master of Drumquhassle, in the years 1540-1580, to show there was such an individual, with no note found of his death before 1585. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-19T18:58:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-19T18:58:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-19T18:58:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>I'm not 100% correct above; Godscroft was thinking of 'Lennox's servant, Robert Cunningham", who appeared at the trial of the earl of Bothwell, 12 April 1567, to speak for Lennox and accuse Mary's servants. (<i>CSP. Scotland</i>, vol.2, (1900), 319-320) This man may have been the Master of Drumquhassle, the man hung, and the laird's uncle, or some of those three other identities.</dd></dl> <p>Presumably a lawyer, possibly then a younger son (but of the older generation), this Robert Cunningham turns up in another legal incident in October 1570, when, as Regent Lennox's "servitour", he interrogated a messenger called John Moon under torture at <a href="/wiki/Doune_Castle" title="Doune Castle">Doune Castle</a>, (<i>CSP Scotland</i>, vol.3, (1903), 384). The John Moon incident is mentioned on the Doune Castle wikipage.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T14:10:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z"></span>I've got a possible date for JCoD's birth (not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>) of 1511. If so, that would make JCoD 73 years old at his execution, and it would be unrealistic that he had an extant uncle. I think the "servitour" is different from JCoD's son, (part of another Cunningham family?). Will see if I can track down the original source for the DoB, as I think knowing JCoD's age helps the article overall.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>According to the Bowes letters, JCoD is working for the Queen of England in August 1580!<blockquote><p><i>Drumwhessel appeareth not only to remayne at her Majesties devotion, but also to be disposed as her Majestie shall thinck, pressing me very earnestly to give him advise and resolute direction, with all possible spede.</i></p></blockquote> So he was guilty, but not of the treason he was hanged for. This just gets better and better. I'm minded to leave out the whole uncle issue for now, we've proved notability and can add in extra details later as they turn up. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T14:10:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T14:10:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T14:10:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T10:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>Yes, I haven't really looked at the family tree, and of course, not all of this will fit a Drumquhassle article anyway.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>On the "at her majesties devotion" issue, it is bit more nuanced. That is, at the time James Stewart, earl of Arran, was in the driving seat. Elizabeth's advisors didn't like his foreign policy position, his attitude to Mary, Queen of Scots, and possible relations with European Catholic powers. Neither did the Kirk of Scotland, and clearly neither did Cunningham. So he would think of himself as a patriot, a political activist, siding for the time with Robert Bowes, the English rep in Scotland, having a chat, mulling over the possibilities, taking advice and perhaps the odd sub of £10 Scots, in a situation of temporary mutual interest, up to a point. Cunningham is in the political opposition in the Arran years, and Bowes is there to be their friend. The English aim is to subvert the "Scotland under Arran" that threatens them, so Cunningham's entanglement with Bowes is anti-Arran ascendency, rather that anti-Scotland. So it's not black & white hat cowboys here! though in the sense of polarity, there are broadly two main parties in Scotland. </p><p>The Gowrie regime had declared themselves legitimate, and the successors of the Scottish Reformation, at one point calling their capture of James VI the "late act of the Reformation." It happens that the Gowrie regime wasn't completely Walsingham's puppet, though England did prefer them, and they had their independent agenda, and they also didn't get enough support in money or resource from England to be sustainable. And before that England was happily in bed with Regent Morton's Scotland.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:01:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"></span>Odd sub of £10 Scots? How about a pension from the English crown of £100? [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.archive.org/stream/marystuarthergui00mneeuoft#page/262/mode/2up">Source here</a>], it relates to the time of the Morton Recency, but it's a hefty amount of cash, and shows that JCoD was important to the English. Morton himself gets £500, so for JCoD to get £100 (the same as some of the Earls) he must have had to work quite hard. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:01:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:01:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:01:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:45:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"></span>(of JCoD) "<i>The man hath more wit than honestye.</i>" <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://archive.org/stream/correspondenceof00bowerich#page/112/mode/2up">Bowes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:45:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:45:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-20T17:45:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T15:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:06:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>That's great and fits nicely with above. When Regent Morton was in power, playing with the English is OK. When Arran's in power in 1585, and your party is in the wilderness, they'll hang your brother (or other), Robert, the Master of Drumquhassle.</dd></dl> <p>The English pension list for June 1574 gives him £150, he has a citation for it; "Drumwhessle; able to persuade by credit and counsel, especially about the King and Argyll, and apt to do good by the commodity of his office of Dumbarton, which he commands." from <i>Calendar State Papers Scotland</i>, vol.5 (1907), p.1-2. </p><p>I find the Laird of Drumquhassle is also the "Receiver of Rents for the Earldom of Lennox", mentioned in 1578, ibid. p.305., and here's the twist, he was personally a Catholic, despite his Anglo-phile political leanings, according to a list of Scottish Catholic lords and lairds made in 1578, which appears to be a list made by a Roman Catholic, as it calls Calvinists heretics, ibid. p.329 (Latin). <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:06:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:06:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:06:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:18:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>And, so, if you ever go to Dumbarton Castle, you will find a wall cupboard in the room in the gatehouse halfway up the steps with a stone with a carved consecration cross brought from a chapel re-set there. Perhaps it came from the Lennox chapel in Dumbarton town, which Lord Fleming demolished. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:18:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:18:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T18:18:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>I'm reminded of a very good, quite slim book, <a href="/wiki/Gordon_Donaldson" title="Gordon Donaldson">Gordon Donaldson</a>, <i>All the Queen's Men</i>, (1983). He goes through from Carberry to the Ruthven Raid, and identifies and lists people by region on the king or queen's side. (The King's side being likely to accept English rewards) The lists include all manner of lairds that wouldn't get into general history. It should be cheapish on ebay/amazon/abebooks. In Donaldson's time some writers saw the king's men and the successor groups as the "left", and the Marians as the "right," which is food for thought, particularly where the issue of interest is their relation with England. Wikipedia has a bit of hole here, and needs <a href="/wiki/Marian_civil_war" title="Marian civil war">Marian civil war</a>, to cover the six years of war 1567-1573, Carberry to the lang siege and Regent Morton, that set the scene for next 15 years of conflict in James's reign. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T15:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z"></span>Not sure about JCoD being a catholic - Bowes certainly didn't think so, saying JCoD hated catholicism. Maybe he was a bit free and easy with it, changing what he told people as he saw expedient. I've been to Dumbarton Castle a couple of times, but I can't persude the kids to go there in the wind and rain. The HS membership is renewed for next year, so there'll be more opportunities. You'll see I've been working on the last few years of JCoD's life in the sandbox article, and Bowes is a very interesting source. However, I'll be taking a wikibreak for a couple of weeks, so don't expect much change. All the best! <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T15:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T15:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T15:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-20T21:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-28T21:25:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span>Article <a href="/wiki/Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" title="Cunningham of Drumquhassle">Cunningham of Drumquhassle</a> uploaded. I added your name to the DYK as a co-author, as I've found your advice and research (above) of great value, and the article wouldn't be what it is without your input. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-28T21:25:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-28T21:25:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-28T21:25:00.000Z-Not_or_1/2_Treasurer_of_Scotland_-_help!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"><span id="Drumwassell.27s_son_leaves_Morton.27s_army.2C_Erskine_connection"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"></span>Drumwassell's son leaves Morton's army, Erskine connection<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Drumwassell's son leaves Morton's army, Erskine connection"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection"></span>No first name, a son of the present laird of Drumwhassell in September 1571, according to <a href="/wiki/William_Drury" title="William Drury">William Drury</a>, had served the late Regent Lennox. Then, he had just resigned as a leader of 25 horsemen in the Earl of Morton's army in Leith. "Dumwassell (sic: ?the laird) being this Regent's (<a href="/wiki/Regent_Mar" class="mw-redirect" title="Regent Mar">Regent Mar</a>, John Erskine's) sister's son, ..." <i>CSP Scotland</i>, vol.3 (1903), p.708. So this 'deserter' is a nephew of John, earl of Mar, the laird was married to Mar's sister? For Drury, the desertion of a relation of Regent Mar is news for Lord Burghley in London, thinking "it may be unkindly taken" in Scotland, i.e., upsetting the King's party. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z-Drumwassell's_son_leaves_Morton's_army,_Erskine_connection"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T16:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"></span>Fits with the Guthrie Smith source; JCoD's mother was daughter of the 4th Lord Erskine, who was also grandfather of the 18th Earl of Mar. So the deserter is a generation below. Going back to the "servitor" of Lennox, this could well be Robert. Check the Lineage section in the sandbox. <a href="/wiki/User:Wikiwayman" title="User:Wikiwayman">Wikiwayman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wikiwayman" title="User talk:Wikiwayman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T16:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T16:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wikiwayman-2012-12-21T16:02:00.000Z-Unoquha-2012-12-21T10:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle"></span>DYK for Cunningham of Drumquhassle<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: DYK for Cunningham of Drumquhassle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#3_January_2013" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">3 January 2013</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know?</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" title="Cunningham of Drumquhassle">Cunningham of Drumquhassle</a></b></i>, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was <i>... that <b><a href="/wiki/Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" title="Cunningham of Drumquhassle">John Cunningham of Drumquhassle</a></b> escaped one charge of treason, only to be hanged for another?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Cunningham of Drumquhassle">Template:Did you know nominations/Cunningham of Drumquhassle</a>. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201301/Cunningham_of_Drumquhassle">quick check</a>)</small> and it will be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKSTATS">DYKSTATS</a> if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know? talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">The DYK project</a> (<a href="/wiki/T:TDYK" class="mw-redirect" title="T:TDYK">nominate</a>) 12:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC) </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Marian_civil_war" data-mw-thread-id="h-Marian_civil_war-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Marian_civil_war-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span>Marian civil war<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Marian_civil_war-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Marian civil war"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z-Marian_civil_war"></span>Hi there. I realise that the Marian civil war started in 1568. I added the <a href="/wiki/Siege_of_Inverness_(1562)" title="Siege of Inverness (1562)">Siege of Inverness (1562)</a> to the box because it was part of the conflicts involving Mary, Queen of Scots and kind of a <i>prelude</i> to the Marian civil war. However I think the Siege of Inverness (1562) and also the <a href="/wiki/Chaseabout_Raid" title="Chaseabout Raid">Chaseabout Raid</a> could be added to a separate box, which I will do right away, if only you could give me a name for the campaign box. Thanks,<a href="/wiki/User:QuintusPetillius" title="User:QuintusPetillius">QuintusPetillius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuintusPetillius" title="User talk:QuintusPetillius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z-Marian_civil_war" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z-Marian_civil_war"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z-Marian_civil_war"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span>Update: Hi, I have just put the Siege of Inverness (1562) and the Chaseabout raid into a separate box: "Mary, Queen of Scots feuds". So they are not in the Marian civil war box. Let me know if you find anymore battles to add to it. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:QuintusPetillius" title="User:QuintusPetillius">QuintusPetillius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuintusPetillius" title="User talk:QuintusPetillius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T15:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-13T17:20:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span>That looks good, thank you. If a better name for the box occurs to me, not too long, or biased pro-Mary or her opposition, I'll let you know. The 'Siege of Inverness (1562)' was followed by the capture of <a href="/wiki/Huntly_Castle" title="Huntly Castle">Huntly Castle</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Corrichie" title="Battle of Corrichie">battle of Corrichie</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-01-13T17:20:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-13T17:20:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-01-13T17:20:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Moubray_House" data-mw-thread-id="h-Moubray_House-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Moubray_House-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Moubray House<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Moubray_House-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Moubray House"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gareth_E_Kegg-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z-Moubray_House"></span>Great work on Moubray House, it was a pleasure to read. <a href="/wiki/User:Gareth_E_Kegg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Gareth E Kegg">Gareth E Kegg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gareth_E_Kegg" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Gareth E Kegg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Gareth_E_Kegg-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z-Moubray_House" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gareth_E_Kegg-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z-Moubray_House"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gareth_E_Kegg-2013-01-24T23:46:00.000Z-Moubray_House"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Battle_of_Corriche" data-mw-thread-id="h-Battle_of_Corriche-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Battle_of_Corriche-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Battle of Corriche<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Battle_of_Corriche-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Battle of Corriche"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z-Battle_of_Corriche"></span>Hi Unoquha, I noticed your recent work on the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Corrichie" title="Battle of Corrichie">Battle of Corrichie</a>. Am I right in thinking that this is not part of the <a href="/wiki/Marian_civil_war" title="Marian civil war">Marian civil war</a> ? and that it belongs in the box with the <a href="/wiki/Siege_of_Inverness_(1562)" title="Siege of Inverness (1562)">Siege of Inverness (1562)</a> ?. <a href="/wiki/User:QuintusPetillius" title="User:QuintusPetillius">QuintusPetillius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuintusPetillius" title="User talk:QuintusPetillius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z-Battle_of_Corriche" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z-Battle_of_Corriche"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z-Battle_of_Corriche"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that works nicely. I'll see if there is more on Inverness (1562) in Randolph's letters and the royal treasurer's accounts.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T10:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Also for the feud box, <a href="/wiki/Kirk_o%27Field" class="mw-redirect" title="Kirk o'Field">Kirk o'Field</a> and <a href="/wiki/David_Rizzio" title="David Rizzio">David Rizzio</a>. Both of these were carefully planned armed interventions against members of Mary's court.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T11:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, just one more thing. Should the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Carberry_Hill" title="Battle of Carberry Hill">Battle of Carberry Hill</a> be removed from the Marian civil war box as it took place in 1567 a year before the Marian civil war started in 1568 ? <a href="/wiki/User:QuintusPetillius" title="User:QuintusPetillius">QuintusPetillius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuintusPetillius" title="User talk:QuintusPetillius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-01-27T12:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T13:53:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I think that would be best, the 'Marian civil war' page could be introduced in the 'Carberry' aftermath section. This seems quite a good solution, as the Mary 'feuds' box now traces a good part of the history of her reign (through a military lens), a history of governance and opposition which is lacking on her page.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T13:53:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T13:53:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-01-27T13:53:00.000Z-QuintusPetillius-2013-01-27T13:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="John_Chisholm/King's_Wark" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z"><span id="John_Chisholm.2FKing.27s_Wark"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z"></span>John Chisholm/King's Wark<span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: John Chisholm/King's Wark"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark"></span>Looks good to me. I updated the coords to point to the pub, if thats more or less where it was? Not actually sure about having an infobox halfway down the article but seems to work (wark?) well enough. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User:Jonathan Oldenbuck">Jonathan Oldenbuck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User talk:Jonathan Oldenbuck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2013-03-07T12:41:00.000Z-John_Chisholm/King's_Wark"></span> </p> <dl><dd>Many thanks for help & reassurance here.18:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="March_Wardens" data-mw-thread-id="h-March_Wardens-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-March_Wardens-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"></span>March Wardens<span data-mw-comment-end="h-March_Wardens-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: March Wardens"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z-March_Wardens"></span>Hi, I've been trying to get my head round certain of the datings on the <a href="/wiki/Lord_Warden_of_the_Marches" title="Lord Warden of the Marches">Lord Warden of the Marches</a> article. The prime source for which is here <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://archive.org/stream/lordwardensofmar00peasuoft#page/196/mode/2up">[2]</a>. If Kerr of Caverton's murder and Bastard Heron's liberty following was, as I understand it, the premise for the 1513 invasion, then he certainly couldn't have been warden in 1514! Also, from what I remember Andrew Barton's death had a deal to do with the deterioration in Anglo-Scots relations then too. I wonder whether some mention should be made of that in the Flodden article? Best <a href="/wiki/User:Brendandh" title="User:Brendandh">Brendandh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brendandh" title="User talk:Brendandh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z-March_Wardens" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z-March_Wardens"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z-March_Wardens"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-05-01T09:15:00.000Z-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, I've not seen that book. I think the Heron / Kerr murder of 1508-ish was a real thing, or a very old story, so I could look for a earlier source to better identify the two men. Probably many Robert Kers then. The table in this book might be updated by more recent works, Thomas Rae, Maureen Meikle. On Flodden; would be good to have a few sentences on other identified particular causes for declining relations resulting in the invasion (since James IV didn't have to oblige his treaties, though he did so); lack of reparation for Andrew Barton, some argument about cash legacies expected by Margaret Tudor through 1512/3 (fn. 10 at present), James IV might been have threatened by Henry, other motives to be found in MacDougall & Mackie etc. (My thoughts; the Barton issue makes sense as a cause, and the English mentioned it at Flodden (and in chronicles after), but James IV might rather have preferred to think and claim he was fighting for the auld alliance only. That is, to an international audience, to go to war over a "shipping incident" might have been discreditable.) <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-05-01T09:15:00.000Z-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-05-01T09:15:00.000Z-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-05-01T09:15:00.000Z-Brendandh-2013-05-01T08:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Some refs (Buchanan, Holinshed) and extra circumstances for the murder of Robert Ker, warden of the <i>Middle March</i> by John Heron, half brother of Heron of Ford, in Ridpath, George, <i>Border History</i>, Mercat Press (1848 reprint 1979), p. 331-2. Ridpath mentions the Andrew Barton issue and the legacy for Margaret Tudor in the same long paragraph, which shows these three incidents are usually considered among events antecedent and contributory to the Flodden campaign.11:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Renaissance_painting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Renaissance_painting-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Renaissance_painting-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Renaissance painting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Renaissance_painting-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Renaissance painting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z-Renaissance_painting"></span>Hi. This is one of those, "I am clearly missing something here" things, but I cannot work out what you did with this edit <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Renaissance_in_Scotland&diff=557820747&oldid=557806659">[3]</a>. Was this text copied from <a href="/wiki/Art_in_early_modern_Scotland" title="Art in early modern Scotland">Art in early modern Scotland</a> and was there a correction of attribution? I am not arguing with the edit, but it I am working on something on Portrait painting in Scotland, so I am trying to make sure I haven't cut and pasted an error and I just cannot see what happened in the diff. Thanks.--<span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z-Renaissance_painting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z-Renaissance_painting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z-Renaissance_painting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:15:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Oh wait I see it in the correction in the <a href="/wiki/Art_in_early_modern_Scotland" title="Art in early modern Scotland">Art in early modern Scotland</a> article. Apologies, it is clear now.--<span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabrebd" title="User talk:Sabrebd">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:15:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:15:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:15:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span>Looking at 'Renaissance in Scotland' though, I have moved the sentence about disruption & minorities out of the range its footnote. My motive was to establish a tradition with "Mynours"; to be disrupted in the regencies; then the royal portrait painter established by James VI in his adult rule. (In their articles you'll see they were appointed as such by privy seal letters.) You're very busy with these articles! <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T12:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T15:41:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z"></span>I think I have managed to reconnect the footnote. Its a very helpful edit. Yep I suppose I have been busy, its mainly a case of one thing leading to another (If I just had a section on A that would create an article on B) and having brought the books for one article that can be used for another article. Thanks again for this. Much appreciated.--<span style="font-family:Black Chancery;text:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sabrebd" title="User:Sabrebd"><span style="color:blue;">SabreBD</span></a></b> ([[User talk:Sabrebd|talk])</span>] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T15:41:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T15:41:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabrebd-2013-06-01T15:41:00.000Z-Unoquha-2013-06-01T12:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regent_Morton's_bairns" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regent_Morton's_bairns-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z"><span id="Regent_Morton.27s_bairns"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regent_Morton's_bairns-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z"></span>Regent Morton's bairns<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regent_Morton's_bairns-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Regent Morton's bairns"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z-Regent_Morton's_bairns"></span>Hi Unoquha, if you are around could you comment on a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:James_Douglas,_4th_Earl_of_Morton#Morton's_widow?" title="Talk:James Douglas, 4th Earl of Morton">Talk:James_Douglas,_4th_Earl_of_Morton#Morton's widow?</a>, relating to his family? Many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User:Jonathan Oldenbuck">Jonathan Oldenbuck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Oldenbuck" title="User talk:Jonathan Oldenbuck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z-Regent_Morton's_bairns" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z-Regent_Morton's_bairns"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Oldenbuck-2014-03-12T16:35:00.000Z-Regent_Morton's_bairns"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z"><span id="Ulrik_of_Denmark_.281578.E2.80.931624.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z"></span>Ulrik of Denmark (1578–1624)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Ulrik of Denmark (1578–1624)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ulf_Heinsohn-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)"></span>Hi Unoquha, <br/> I liked your additions to the article. Even when I only found them so late, thank you, I appreciate your work a lot.<br/>Beste wishes<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Ulf_Heinsohn" title="User:Ulf Heinsohn">Ulf Heinsohn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ulf_Heinsohn" title="User talk:Ulf Heinsohn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ulf_Heinsohn-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 3 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ulf_Heinsohn-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ulf_Heinsohn-2014-04-03T07:30:00.000Z-Ulrik_of_Denmark_(1578–1624)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Raid_of_Ruthven" data-mw-thread-id="h-Raid_of_Ruthven-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Raid_of_Ruthven-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Raid of Ruthven<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Raid_of_Ruthven-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Raid of Ruthven"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yaris678-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z-Raid_of_Ruthven"></span>Hi Unoquha, </p><p>Do you have access to Boyd, William K. ed., <i>Calendar of State Papers Scotland</i>, vol. 6 (1910)? We can find other volumes available online, but not volume 6. </p><p>Do you know how if Lennox's extravagance or the raid are mentioned in the introduction to that volume? You may be able to help the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Raid_of_Ruthven#Primary_source_or_secondary?" title="Talk:Raid of Ruthven">Talk:Raid of Ruthven#Primary source or secondary?</a>. </p><p>I am asking because you <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raid_of_Ruthven&diff=prev&oldid=370807164">added the source</a> in 2010. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Yaris678" title="User:Yaris678">Yaris678</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yaris678" title="User talk:Yaris678">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Yaris678-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z-Raid_of_Ruthven" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yaris678-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z-Raid_of_Ruthven"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yaris678-2015-01-02T09:47:00.000Z-Raid_of_Ruthven"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pedro_de_Ayala" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pedro_de_Ayala-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pedro_de_Ayala-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Pedro de Ayala<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pedro_de_Ayala-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Pedro de Ayala"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-141.227.1.40-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"></span>Hi </p><p>I have seen that you are the main editor of the excellent article on Pedro de Ayala. That made me think that you might find the following article interesting: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.academia.edu/12319069/Revised_transcription_of_Pedro_de_Ayala_s_1498_report_about_English_voyages_of_exploration">Revised transcription of Pedro de Ayala’s 1498 report about English voyages of exploration</a> </p><p>Best, L.A.R.M. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/141.227.1.40" title="Special:Contributions/141.227.1.40">141.227.1.40</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:141.227.1.40" title="User talk:141.227.1.40">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-141.227.1.40-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-141.227.1.40-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-141.227.1.40-2015-06-04T08:57:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2015-06-06T11:18:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"></span>Thank you so much for putting up and providing this academia paper, which will improve the article. 09:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/5.153.93.58" title="Special:Contributions/5.153.93.58">5.153.93.58</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:5.153.93.58&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:5.153.93.58 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) </small> meant to sign, sorry <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2015-06-06T11:18:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2015-06-06T11:18:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2015-06-06T11:18:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Ayala"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="EUP" data-mw-thread-id="h-EUP-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-EUP-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>EUP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-EUP-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: EUP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nikkimaria-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z-EUP"></span>You should have received an email about Edinburgh access - if you're still interested, could you please complete the linked form? <a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria">Nikkimaria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikkimaria" title="User talk:Nikkimaria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Nikkimaria-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z-EUP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nikkimaria-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z-EUP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nikkimaria-2016-09-24T19:55:00.000Z-EUP"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z"></span>Rough Wooing: older spelling of Traprain Law<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Rough Wooing: older spelling of Traprain Law"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ornicus-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"></span>Hi Unoquha, </p><p>I noticed you reverted my change to the <b>Rough Wooing</b> article for the place name <i>Traprain Law</i> from "Dunpendyrlaw" back to "Dounprenderlaw". </p><p>I assumed that the "Dounprenderlaw" was vandalism making reference to the law firm Prenda Law, given that the linked page from <a href="/wiki/Traprain_Law" title="Traprain Law">Traprain Law</a> includes the following under <i>Name History</i>: </p><p>"Before that, it is found on old maps as Dunpendyrlaw." (Unfortunately, the domain given as the reference is no longer current.) </p><p>That was the only cross-reference I checked; somewhat lackadaisical. </p><p>There seems to be an inconsistency between the Rough Wooing article and that on the linked article on Traprain Law. As this inconsistency is present in what I assume are the original articles from the World Heritage Encyclopedia <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/Rough_Wooing">here</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/Traprain_Law">here</a>, I'm uncertain your reversion won't cause readers confusion (as it did for me) with the inconsistency. </p><p>There is an extant spelling of the one given in the Rough Wooing article given in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.archive.org/stream/maitlandoflethin02skeluoft/maitlandoflethin02skeluoft_djvu.txt">Maitland of Lethington, and the Scotland of Mary Stuart : a history</a>: "...the fifth bail to be made and kepit upon Dounprenderlaw." </p><p>There seems to be more references to Dunpendyrlaw as an older name for the hill, such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.weekendnotes.co.uk/traprain-law/">here</a>. </p><p>I won't change anything further but I think at least the Traprain Law article should be amended to include both older spellings to avoid confusion and maintain consistency. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ornicus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ornicus (page does not exist)">Ornicus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ornicus" title="User talk:Ornicus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ornicus-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a>Ornicus<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ornicus-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ornicus-2017-09-08T09:06:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"></span>Hi, the mention in the Rough Wooing article is quoting an original spelling of the time as represented in the printed cited source, the <i>Register of the Privy Council</i>.</dd></dl> <p>As you note, the same source is quoted in <i>Maitland of Lethington</i>. So yes, it would have been tidy to add the <i>Register of the Privy Council</i> spelling and reference on the Trapain Law page also. I'll do that. You probably know the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://maps.nls.uk%7CNational">Library of Scotland digitised old maps website</a> I guess 'Dunprendyrlaw might be found there, so I'll have a look. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z-Rough_Wooing:_older_spelling_of_Traprain_Law"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T10:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z"></span>Done: I found an NLS image of a map with 'Dunprendyrlaw' and added a ref to the other spelling. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T10:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 8 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T10:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2017-09-08T10:12:00.000Z-Unoquha-2017-09-08T09:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z"><span id="Edward_Sutton.2C_5th_Baron_Dudley"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z"></span>Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sjwells53-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley"></span>Thanks for the info on the Hobart connection. I did write on Dudley some years ago and will try to return to him some time, perhaps soon. I didn't do him justice, particularly in terms of sources and citations. He was certainly a rogue, possibly mentally unstable, but enormously interesting. The Hobarts had a seat in Buckinghamshire, but, as is often the case with peers, they also had a major property outside the eponymous county. <a href="/wiki/Blickling_Hall" title="Blickling Hall">Blickling Hall</a> in Norfolk is a place I have visited a few times and was long their home, but is now a National Trust property. It's well worth seeing. It is the most likely birthplace for Anne Boleyn, although her family sold it very early in the 16th century. The Hobarts bought it in the early 17th century and became earls of Buckinghamshire in the 18th. The family have occupied all sorts of fairly important, but never quite leading, positions in church and state. Thanks again. You've rekindled my interest in Dudley, whose own seat is just a few miles from where I live. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sjwells53&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sjwells53 (page does not exist)">Sjwells53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjwells53" title="User talk:Sjwells53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sjwells53-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sjwells53-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sjwells53-2017-10-15T17:31:00.000Z-Edward_Sutton,_5th_Baron_Dudley"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Medieval_English_currency" data-mw-thread-id="h-Medieval_English_currency-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Medieval_English_currency-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Medieval English currency<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Medieval_English_currency-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Medieval English currency"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z-Medieval_English_currency"></span>I am using Arthur Jeferries Collins's <i>Inventory of Elizabeth I of England</i> as a source at <a href="/wiki/Crown_Jewels_of_the_United_Kingdom" title="Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom">Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom</a> and wonder if you, the main author of <a href="/wiki/Inventory_of_Elizabeth_I_of_England" class="mw-redirect" title="Inventory of Elizabeth I of England">Inventory of Elizabeth I of England</a>, can give me some advice on medieval English units of currency. On page 75, Collins writes: "the Royal (or Great) Crown itself passed into the keeping of the Mayor and Commonalty of London in 1386 as security for a loan of 4000". The amount is followed by what looks to be an italicized lowercase L. I assumed this was an old version of the £ sign, but now I'm not sure. Could it be shillings or something else entirely. <a href="/wiki/User:Firebrace" title="User:Firebrace">Firebrace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firebrace" title="User talk:Firebrace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z-Medieval_English_currency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z-Medieval_English_currency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z-Medieval_English_currency"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2018-01-23T14:39:00.000Z-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Yes, this lower case means pounds of money, as in "l-s-d" = pounds, shillings, and pence. Best wishes, <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2018-01-23T14:39:00.000Z-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2018-01-23T14:39:00.000Z-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2018-01-23T14:39:00.000Z-Firebrace-2018-01-23T14:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z"></span>Sources needed for Days of the Year pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Sources needed for Days of the Year pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toddst1-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages"></span>You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a> and direct sources are required for additions. For details see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Days_of_the_year#Direct_citations" title="Wikipedia:Days of the year">the content guideline</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Days_of_the_year#Style" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year">the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide</a> or the edit notice on any DOY page. Please do not add new additions to these pages without direct sources as the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">burden to provide them</a> is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Toddst1" title="User:Toddst1">Toddst1</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toddst1" title="User talk:Toddst1">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Toddst1-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toddst1-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toddst1-2019-07-19T14:41:00.000Z-Sources_needed_for_Days_of_the_Year_pages"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Thank you for <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Unoquha" title="Special:Contributions/Unoquha">your contributions</a> to Wikipedia. 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If you are the sole author of the prose that was copied, attribution is not required. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Diannaa-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-2019-07-26T14:56:00.000Z-Copying_within_Wikipedia_requires_attribution"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="invalid_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-invalid_redirect-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-invalid_redirect-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"></span>invalid redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-invalid_redirect-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: invalid redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z-invalid_redirect"></span>Hello, Unoquha. You recently created <a href="/wiki/George_Home,_Earl_of_Dunbar" class="mw-redirect" title="George Home, Earl of Dunbar">George Home, Earl of Dunbar</a> as a "useful redirect," but it actually redirects to itself. I don't know what target you intended. I've tagged the page for speedy deletion, but you are welcome to edit (or recreate) it if you know a valid target. --<a href="/wiki/User:R%27n%27B" title="User:R'n'B">R'n'B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:R%27n%27B" title="User talk:R'n'B">call me</a> Russ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z-invalid_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 7 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z-invalid_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z-invalid_redirect"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2019-11-07T15:22:00.000Z-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"></span>Hi, I changed the link to a valid target (my mistake), and took away the tag, and now it seems a "useful redirect" I'd hoped for. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2019-11-07T15:22:00.000Z-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2019-11-07T15:22:00.000Z-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2019-11-07T15:22:00.000Z-R'n'B-2019-11-07T15:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Henry_Jetto" title="Henry Jetto">Henry Jetto</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" title="Masque at the baptism of Prince Henry">Masque at the baptism of Prince Henry</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Henry Jetto and the Masque at the baptism of Prince Henry"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span>In your edits to both these articles you seem to have implied Henry Jetto was a possible actor at the Masque, as several African actors are recorded as present. Is this identification supported by the secondary literature on the event, or is it just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Or" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Or">original research</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Tenpop421" title="User:Tenpop421">Tenpop421</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenpop421" title="User talk:Tenpop421">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Tenpop421-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-26T19:12:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:27:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span>Agree. I mean to say that Sir Henry Bromley was connected to both the masque at Stirling and the biography of Henry Jetto, which seems a sure fact, and a fact about Bromley that may have been important to both men. That is worth mentioning and not pushing the sources at all. Bromley's story is part of Jetto's story. Having stated the case, I'll try and amend Jetto to explain the link without making the inference (beyond the sources) as you mention. Best. <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:27:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:27:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:27:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span>OK, I put the Stirling "connection" as an afterthought. Also, I am from Holt, Worcester, and know the Holt Castle garden well, so I have an interest, but a kindly one. Anyone with access to the published calendars of state would see the possible connection. Happy 26th December.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z-Henry_Jetto_and_the_Masque_at_the_baptism_of_Prince_Henry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Sorry if I'm being unclear, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a>:</span>! What I meant to ask is if there is any secondary literature which mentions Jetto in relation to the masque. I don't doubt that there were black actors at the Masque, but it seems that including it in Jetto's biography would <i>imply</i> an identification which might not be academically supported. Either way, have a happy new year! Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Tenpop421" title="User:Tenpop421">Tenpop421</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenpop421" title="User talk:Tenpop421">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z-Unoquha-2019-12-26T19:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-31T19:13:00.000Z-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z"></span>I agree, I do not know of no secondary published source as yet making a connection, so the the detail of Henry Bromley's life, the trip to Stirling, seems to make a connection in the article, as you point out. The solution is not necessarily to delete permanently the mention of Bromley's role in the embassy to Stirling, but add more context around it about Bromley's standing, and the garden at Holt castle, not yet described on wikipedia but available in published secondary sources. Again, I have an interest, and was on the phone only yesterday to a granddaughter of a recent owner of the castle, and we shared memories of its beauty and its garden. So the points to add, could be Bromley's importance as a gent and knight and the value he invested in his estate, home and garden at Holt. (I used to live in Holt parish, and am even more deeply involved, as I suppose I may have Jetto ancestry too!). The church at Holt where Jetto is buried is adjacent to Holt Castle, and certainly, as far as I know, parish events are still held in the garden which Jetto knew. I have had some informal communication with the historian Miranda Kaufmann about this, and also about the article <a href="/wiki/Ellen_More" title="Ellen More">Ellen More</a>, an African servant in the Scottish royal household, in an earlier period than Jetto's. So, finally: I will delete the Stirling link from "Jetto" for now, but hope to add a contextual paragraph for Bromley and Holt Castle to "Jetto", and the Holt and Holt Heath, Worcestershire articles when I find good secondary sources for these. There are other historic places at Holt, in Domesday and later, and to this day, as you can imagine. Happy New Year! Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2019-12-31T19:13:00.000Z-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 31 December 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2019-12-31T19:13:00.000Z-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2019-12-31T19:13:00.000Z-Tenpop421-2019-12-31T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley" data-mw-thread-id="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"><span id="Claud_Hamilton.2C_1st_Lord_Paisley"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"></span>Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley"></span>Dear Unoquha. I have made another edit on the article "Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley" of which you area major contributor. The aim of my edit was to provide a URL for the citation of CSP Vol. 5 on which you recently improved. You seem to be such a good historian, eminent Wikipedian, and seem to know the history and the sources of the Scottish 17th century so well. I hope my contribution is correct and welcome. I am a novice on Wikipedia and a foreigner living in the UK. Please tell me if I should have done things differently. I am for example unsure about the use of the Volume parameter in the list of sources. As I did it, the "5" does not appear in bold because I added the volume title ("A. D. 1574–1581"). How could I have done it better? With many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"></span>Great that you put in these links to archive org. I put the years covered in the title, which looks OK, and simpler to check. Most of the papers copied in these books from "state papers" at The National Archives at Kew are digitised now, and can be seen via State Papers Online, log in available via some libraries. Best.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T07:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T11:42:00.000Z-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha. I am glad to hear that there are no major problems and that my interventions are generally appreciated. Thanks for your kind remarks and advice but please do not hesitate to correct me where needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T11:42:00.000Z-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T11:42:00.000Z-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-03-22T11:42:00.000Z-Unoquha-2020-03-22T10:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="For_your_untiring_work:" data-mw-thread-id="h-For_your_untiring_work:-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-For_your_untiring_work:-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z"></span>For your untiring work:<span data-mw-comment-end="h-For_your_untiring_work:-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: For your untiring work:"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenpop421-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scholarly_Barnstar.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Scholarly_Barnstar.png/100px-Scholarly_Barnstar.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Scholarly_Barnstar.png/150px-Scholarly_Barnstar.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Scholarly_Barnstar.png/200px-Scholarly_Barnstar.png 2x" data-file-width="1261" data-file-height="1198"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;"><b>Scholarly Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;">A barnstar for your untiring and scholarly work on various obscure topics in British history! Your articles are consistently interesting, if also unconventional. <a href="/wiki/User:Tenpop421" title="User:Tenpop421">Tenpop421</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenpop421" title="User talk:Tenpop421">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Tenpop421-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenpop421-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenpop421-2020-03-25T22:36:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"></span>That's really nice, many thanks !<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-For_your_untiring_work:"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"><span id="Claud_Hamilton.2C_1st_Lord_Paisley_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2"></span>Dear Unoquha. Thank you for your recent contribution to the article "Claud Hamilton, 1st Lord Paisley", which expands and improves the content. I maintain a watchlist of about 100 articles, most of them Irish biographies that I am trying to improve. I find that edits like this, your one, are, unluckily, very rare, about 1 out of 100. Most edits are about the form, most of them admittedly useful as well, but quite a few are counterproductive, pushing some kind of an agenda, e.g. politically motivated (Irish nationalism), and even destructive (vandalism). <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton,_1st_Lord_Paisley_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-07T09:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Well, thank you! I too am surprised that people don't more frequently bring new material to improve articles.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2020-04-07T09:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-07T09:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2020-04-07T09:58:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2020-04-07T06:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="James_Maxwell" data-mw-thread-id="h-James_Maxwell-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-James_Maxwell-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z"></span>James Maxwell<span data-mw-comment-end="h-James_Maxwell-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: James Maxwell"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrew_Gray-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"></span>I noticed <a href="/wiki/James_Maxwell,_1st_Earl_of_Dirletoun" title="James Maxwell, 1st Earl of Dirletoun">James Maxwell, 1st Earl of Dirletoun</a> was newly created when I was tidying up <a href="/wiki/Black_Rod" title="Black Rod">Black Rod</a> - you might be interested to know there's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1750-0206.12366">a short biographical piece</a> in <i>Parliamentary History</i> which seems to shed quite a bit of light on his career & what happened to him during the 1640s. Let me know if you don't have access but would find it useful! <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Gray" title="User:Andrew Gray">Andrew Gray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_Gray" title="User talk:Andrew Gray">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Andrew_Gray-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z-James_Maxwell" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrew_Gray-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrew_Gray-2020-04-12T10:36:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"></span>Many thanks!<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-James_Maxwell" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2020-04-17T20:22:00.000Z-James_Maxwell"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"><span id="A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"></span>A bowl of strawberries for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: A bowl of strawberries for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Erdbeerteller01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/120px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/180px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Erdbeerteller01.jpg/240px-Erdbeerteller01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3648" data-file-height="2736"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">I do appreciate your many references in Scottish history articles to the Danish ambassador Steen Bille. My interests are mainly Danish naval history, but I live not ten miles from Falkland Palace. A bowl of Tayside strawberries seems appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Viking1808" title="User:Viking1808">Viking1808</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Viking1808" title="User talk:Viking1808">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z-A_bowl_of_strawberries_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2020-09-01T11:37:00.000Z-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Most kind - thank you ! <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2020-09-01T11:37:00.000Z-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 1 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2020-09-01T11:37:00.000Z-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2020-09-01T11:37:00.000Z-Viking1808-2020-08-31T16:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Earls_of_Sutherland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Earls_of_Sutherland-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Earls_of_Sutherland-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z"></span>Earls of Sutherland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Earls_of_Sutherland-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Earls of Sutherland"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuintusPetillius-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z-Earls_of_Sutherland"></span>Hi, I have noticed that you have done quite a lot of work on the various <a href="/wiki/Earl_of_Sutherland" title="Earl of Sutherland">Earls of Sutherland</a> and was hoping you could comment on a discussion I have started on the correct numerical designation of the 10th and 11th Earls. The discussion is here: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Earl_of_Sutherland" title="Talk:Earl of Sutherland">Talk:Earl of Sutherland</a>. Thanks.<a href="/wiki/User:QuintusPetillius" title="User:QuintusPetillius">QuintusPetillius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuintusPetillius" title="User talk:QuintusPetillius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-QuintusPetillius-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z-Earls_of_Sutherland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 31 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuintusPetillius-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z-Earls_of_Sutherland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuintusPetillius-2021-01-31T15:26:00.000Z-Earls_of_Sutherland"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis-2021-04-06T01:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis-2021-04-06T01:51:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Christian_Friis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Christian Friis (page does not exist)">Draft:Christian Friis</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis-2021-04-06T01:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Christian Friis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JackReynoldsADogOwner-2021-04-06T01:51:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:Christian_Friis"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Christian_Friis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Christian Friis (page does not exist)">Draft:Christian Friis</a> requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. 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We have met before and you probably know that I have always appreciated your contributions. I wonder whether you would welcome some contributions from me to your new article <a href="/wiki/Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield" title="Claud Hamilton of Shawfield">Claud Hamilton of Shawfield</a>. I could add a family tree and some short additions to the text. I do not want to be intrusive or disruptive. I noted your remark "I always write references so they are useful to other researchers. I am always saddened to see them converted to eccentric formats." I hope I have not been among those who have saddened you. I prefer to use templates (Sfn and Cite book) in my citations. I find the citations as they are now in the article difficult to understand and to look up. What does HMC stand for? One finds a wide variety of citation styles in Wkipedia. According to WP:CITEVAR we are supposed to respect this. With many thanks, best regards and greetings, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-09T06:49:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-09T06:49:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-09T06:49:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"></span>Thank you, of course you can add as much to Claud Hamilton of Shawfield as you can! With regard to converting references, the guidance WP:CITEVAR does mention not changing an article's existing style, and further 'If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it'.<br/>I've added a link to <i>HMC Laing</i> in the CHofS article. HMC is <a href="/wiki/Royal_Commission_on_Historical_Manuscripts" title="Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts">Historical Manuscripts Commission</a>, they published summaries and quotations of archival material in various collections, and many of their reports are on archive.org or hathi.trust. This one, you'll likely know <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/manuscriptsofduk00greauoft"><i>HMC, 11th Report Appendix Part VI: Manuscripts of the Duke of Hamilton</i> (London, 1887)</a> The odd volume numbering is because the HMC "reports" were notionally letters addressed by the commissioners to Queen Victoria, stating that Lord XYZ had some interesting papers, and the appendices were the useful detailed summaries.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha, Thanks for your kind reply. I felt I was targeted by your remark "I am always saddened to see them converted to eccentric formats", which you added on 27 May 2021. I am ready to revert any change of citation style that you object to. Please point it out to me. I must admit that I have sometimes changed the citation style of an article without consulting the authors concerned. I would also be interested to see which citation style you consider "eccentric". Thanks and best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-09T10:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha. Still going with Shawfield. He has often been confused Sir Claud Hamilton, constable of Fort Toome. I might have to create an article for that "other" Claud Hamilton to sort this out. But I will take a day off tomorrow. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-14T20:40:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha: I finally created the article <a href="/wiki/Claud_Hamilton_of_the_Fort_of_Toome" title="Claud Hamilton of the Fort of Toome">Claud Hamilton of the Fort of Toome</a>. Best regards, Johannes <dl><dd>Claud Hamilton of Shawfield's inventory mentions his things in his house at Elieston, West Lothian, so I suppose he left the place to his nephew.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-13T07:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z"></span>I should think Claud Hamilton of Toome was Claud Hamilton of Shawfield's <i>grandson</i>, in which case you have made him marry his grandmother. See Claud son of Robert, son of Claud Hamilton of Shawfield, Pasul (1904), p.41.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T21:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-20T20:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha. I would very much like to discuss "Shawfield"and "Toome" with you, but for now I have difficulties to follow. I think you know far more about the subject than I do. Concerning your first comment above I do not find an inventory of his house in Elieston, West Lothian. Is that somewhere in Paton, 1914 (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.org/details/reportonlaingman01greauoft/">https://archive.org/details/reportonlaingman01greauoft/</a>)? I have looked around and made a search for Elieston but found nothing. It seems this house was near Edinburgh after what is said in the Diurnal. I have not yet understood to whom it belonged. My guess is Robert Hamilton, Toome's father-in-law. —I think Shawfield and Toome were some distant cousins but for our practical purposes here quasi-unrelated. They knew each other and were friends as is clear in the letter about Shawfield's death in Paton (p 132–135)". I think the grandson you think of is Claude Hamilton of Montalony (d. 1695). I think he was too young in 1618 when Toome was made Constable of Fort Toome. Do do not know the ref. With many thanks and best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-20T20:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 20 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-20T20:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-20T20:36:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-18T22:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z"><span id="John_Black_.28martyr.29_Ninian_Winzet"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z"></span>John Black (martyr) Ninian Winzet<span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: John Black (martyr) Ninian Winzet"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet"></span>Firstly, this frames the previous notoriety of John Black in disputation context. Secondly, the value of the similar outcomes is in understanding plainly the overlap in violence in the same place at the same time. Please reflect on how we can reach consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:NoelveNoelve" title="User:NoelveNoelve">NoelveNoelve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoelveNoelve" title="User talk:NoelveNoelve">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:13:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Ninian_Winzet"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"><span id="John_Black_.28martyr.29_Lynch_on_causes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span>John Black (martyr) Lynch on causes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: John Black (martyr) Lynch on causes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes"></span>This was a removal of expert analysis by an award winning historian and book directly on the topic. There isn't anything else like it. It defines the social and political context of the murderers actions. It's near enough wikipedia content at it's best. Again, this'll need returning to for consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:NoelveNoelve" title="User:NoelveNoelve">NoelveNoelve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoelveNoelve" title="User talk:NoelveNoelve">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z-John_Black_(martyr)_Lynch_on_causes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-21T22:45:00.000Z-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span>I'm a fan of Michael Lynch myself.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-21T22:45:00.000Z-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-21T22:45:00.000Z-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-21T22:45:00.000Z-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z"></span>Ladyland and Spanish blanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Ladyland and Spanish blanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks"></span>l can provide annotation as per wikipedia guidelines, i.e. debatedly (or some other word?) killed without trial, killed on the basis of evidence extracted under torture. We can flesh out some ways of reaching consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:NoelveNoelve" title="User:NoelveNoelve">NoelveNoelve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoelveNoelve" title="User talk:NoelveNoelve">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoelveNoelve-2021-06-23T09:43:00.000Z-Ladyland_and_Spanish_blanks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"><span id="Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_.28again.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"></span>Claud Hamilton of Shawfield (again)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Claud Hamilton of Shawfield (again)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)"></span>Dear Unoquha (is this pronounced ['unowa]?). You created the article <a href="/wiki/Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield" title="Claud Hamilton of Shawfield">Claud Hamilton of Shawfield</a> using a <ref>free-text citation style if I may call it so. I changed it to "Sfn-cit book". I am used to this system and found it easier to edit in it. I always thought I would change it back later. However, my edits took much longer than what I foresaw. I feel I should change it back to your original citation style. However, this is quite a bit of work and I am not so sure that I understand your citation style well enough. Before starting I wanted therefore ask you whether I should do this. Please tell me frankly. I should learn to better respect and understand other people's citation styles. With apologies and best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z-Claud_Hamilton_of_Shawfield_(again)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"></span>The references I write are mostly using a formula commonly used by authors: Author Name, <i>Book Title</i>, vol. number (Publisher, Location, year), p. number: Joan Thirsk, <i>Food in Early Modern England</i> (Hambledon Continuum, London, 2007), p. 23.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-28T05:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha. Thank you very much for the instructions above. I interpret this as meaning that I should go ahead and change all the Sfns in the article to the indicated format. I agree that you have the perfect right to demand this. I have started, but I must admit that it takes me more time than what I expected. Also I feel that a lot of information is lost in the process. Most notably your format seems to have no place for a URL. I feel that this makes it unnecessarily difficult for a reader or a reviewer (e.g. when you submit it for GA or FA) to look up what the source actually says. With many thanks and best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-28T10:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Here is an example of reference with two links included, to the author wikipedia page, and to a page image digitised by the internet archive. It is easy to place a url within square brackets: <a href="/wiki/William_Fraser_(historian)" title="William Fraser (historian)">William Fraser</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/melvillesearlsm01frasgoog/page/n50"><i>The Melvilles, Earls of Melville, and the Leslies, Earls of Leven</i>, vol. 2 (Edinburgh, 1890), p. 7</a>.17:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC) <dl><dd>I should add, this is not "my format" or "my citation style", but simply the manner in which footnotes and endnotes appear in most books that I read.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-29T16:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z"></span>One finds a wide variety of citation styles in Wikipedia. According to WP:CITEVAR we are supposed to respect this.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-30T16:29:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Dear Unoquha. Thank you very much for your additional instructions. I did not mean that you arbitrarily invented that style, I understand it is based on your wide reading and experience. I just did not know what to call it. I have converted all the Sfns to REF. I wonder whether I should regroup citations of the same page by naming the REF as you did on you article <a href="/wiki/Moubray_House" title="Moubray House">Moubray House</a>? With many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Johannes_Schade" title="User:Johannes Schade">Johannes Schade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannes_Schade" title="User talk:Johannes Schade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-30T16:29:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-30T16:29:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannes_Schade-2021-06-30T16:29:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-06-29T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate:_Revision_history" data-mw-thread-id="h-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"></span>FANTASTIC article on the wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate: Revision history<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: FANTASTIC article on the wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate: Revision history"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa"></span>Just wanted to congratulate you on an absolutely fantastic <a href="/wiki/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">read</a>! Never thought a wedding article would be so interesting. I've nominated it to a <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">DYK</a> and hope it gets to the main page because this article deserves many eyes on it. <span style="background-color:#20B2AA; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px"><a href="/wiki/User:A._C._Santacruz" class="mw-redirect" title="User:A. C. Santacruz"><span style="color:#fff">A. C. Santacruz </span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ⁂ </span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:A._C._Santacruz" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:A. C. Santacruz"><span style="color:#fff">Talk</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z-FANTASTIC_article_on_the_wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Pa"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-08-27T22:49:00.000Z-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"></span>Many thanks, glad you like it! Probably a few things to be fixed as yet, thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-08-27T22:49:00.000Z-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 27 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-08-27T22:49:00.000Z-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-08-27T22:49:00.000Z-A._C._Santacruz-2021-08-27T22:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominated_for_Did_You_Know" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate has been nominated for Did You Know<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate has been nominated for Did You Know"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello, Unoquha. <a href="/wiki/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate</a>, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed, has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a> as part of <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" title="Wikipedia:DYK"><img alt="DYK comment symbol" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/DYK_questionmark_icon.svg/10px-DYK_questionmark_icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="10" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/DYK_questionmark_icon.svg/16px-DYK_questionmark_icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/DYK_questionmark_icon.svg/21px-DYK_questionmark_icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="144" data-file-height="166"/></a></span></b>. You can see the hook and the discussion <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">here</a></b>. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:EnterpriseyBot" title="User:EnterpriseyBot">EnterpriseyBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EnterpriseyBot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:EnterpriseyBot">talk!</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z-Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate_has_been_nominat"></span> </p> </div> </div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-2021-10-07T02:40:00.000Z-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"></span>I just wanted to thank you; not only did you write this article, expanding it from nothing to an article that should probably be considered for a good article review, you also expanded <a href="/wiki/Naumachia" title="Naumachia">Naumachia</a>, an article sadly bereft of significant post-Roman content, with details about the River Thames battle! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-BilledMammal-2021-10-07T02:40:00.000Z-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-2021-10-07T02:40:00.000Z-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-2021-10-07T02:40:00.000Z-EnterpriseyBot-2021-08-28T12:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pedro_de_Negro" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pedro_de_Negro-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pedro_de_Negro-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"></span>Pedro de Negro<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pedro_de_Negro-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Pedro de Negro"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Negro"></span>Hi Unoquha, Why have you deleted the edits I made to the page on Pedro de Negro? <a href="/wiki/User:RLamb" title="User:RLamb">RLamb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RLamb" title="User talk:RLamb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Negro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 29 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Negro"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z-Pedro_de_Negro"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"></span>You deleted your own edit.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z-RLamb-2021-09-29T09:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RLamb-2021-09-30T07:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z"></span>So I did. <a href="/wiki/User:RLamb" title="User:RLamb">RLamb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RLamb" title="User talk:RLamb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-RLamb-2021-09-30T07:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RLamb-2021-09-30T07:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RLamb-2021-09-30T07:14:00.000Z-Unoquha-2021-09-29T09:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z"></span>DYK for Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: DYK for Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maile66-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2021/October#8_October_2021" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/October">8 October 2021</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate</a></b></i>, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was <i>... that the <b><a href="/wiki/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate</a></b> included a <a href="/wiki/Naumachia" title="Naumachia">staged sea-battle</a> between Christian and Turkish ships in the <a href="/wiki/River_Thames" title="River Thames">River Thames</a>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate">Template:Did you know nominations/Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="//pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2021-09-28&end=2021-10-18&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate">Wedding of Princess Elizabeth and Frederick V of the Palatinate</a>)</small>, and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics">the statistics page</a>. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Maile66-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maile66-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maile66-2021-10-08T00:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Wedding_of_Princess_Elizabeth_and_Frederick_V_of_the_Palatinate"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Eleanor_Verney" data-mw-thread-id="h-Eleanor_Verney-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Eleanor_Verney-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Eleanor Verney<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Eleanor_Verney-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Eleanor Verney"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z-Eleanor_Verney"></span>I visited <a href="/wiki/Eleanor_Verney" title="Eleanor Verney">Eleanor and Ralph Verney</a>'s tomb in King's Langley today, and uploaded some photographs to Commons. The tomb is an incredible survivor. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z-Eleanor_Verney" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 16 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z-Eleanor_Verney"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z-Eleanor_Verney"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-2022-04-17T10:26:00.000Z-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Thank you very much, this is a great addition to the article! <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-2022-04-17T10:26:00.000Z-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-2022-04-17T10:26:00.000Z-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-2022-04-17T10:26:00.000Z-No_Swan_So_Fine-2022-04-16T21:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="August_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-August_2022-20220812201200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-August_2022-20220812201200"></span>August 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-August_2022-20220812201200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: August 2022"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20220812201200-August_2022"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hi Unoquha! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at <a href="/wiki/Coronation_of_James_I_and_Anne" title="Coronation of James I and Anne">Coronation of James I and Anne</a> that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as <a href="/wiki/Typographical_error" title="Typographical error">typo corrections</a> or reverting obvious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">vandalism</a>. Any edit that changes the <i>meaning</i> of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see <a href="/wiki/Help:Minor_edit" title="Help:Minor edit">Help:Minor edit</a> for more information. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kj_cheetham-20220812201200-August_2022" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20220812201200-August_2022"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20220812201200-August_2022"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Scottish_Castles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Scottish_Castles-20220828174800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Scottish_Castles-20220828174800"></span>Scottish Castles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Scottish_Castles-20220828174800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Scottish Castles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kj_cheetham-20220828174800-Scottish_Castles"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a>, thank you for your recent edits to <a href="/wiki/Sundrum_Castle" title="Sundrum Castle">Sundrum Castle</a>. I wanted to let you know I've also recently been working on <a href="/wiki/Maybole_Castle" title="Maybole Castle">Maybole Castle</a>, which may be of interest to you. Thanks. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kj_cheetham" title="User:Kj cheetham">Kj cheetham</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kj_cheetham" title="User talk:Kj cheetham">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Kj_cheetham-20220828174800-Scottish_Castles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 28 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kj_cheetham-20220828174800-Scottish_Castles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kj_cheetham-20220828174800-Scottish_Castles"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tullibardine_Chapel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tullibardine_Chapel-20221002192600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tullibardine_Chapel-20221002192600"></span><a href="/wiki/Tullibardine_Chapel" title="Tullibardine Chapel">Tullibardine Chapel</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tullibardine_Chapel-20221002192600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Tullibardine Chapel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seasider53-20221002192600-Tullibardine_Chapel"></span>Was wondering, if you had time, to look over the article to see if the people mentioned therein are correct. I feel you might have access to more information than I do. I created several of the Murray articles a while ago but had to ask for them to be deleted, such was the tangled web of mess I created for myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Seasider53" title="User:Seasider53">Seasider53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seasider53" title="User talk:Seasider53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Seasider53-20221002192600-Tullibardine_Chapel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seasider53-20221002192600-Tullibardine_Chapel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seasider53-20221002192600-Tullibardine_Chapel"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20221002195900-Tullibardine_Chapel"></span>Looks about right to me. There aren't articles for these lairds of Tullibardine yet, the oldest is this William, <a href="/wiki/William_Murray_(died_1562)" title="William Murray (died 1562)">William Murray (died 1562)</a>. I haven't been to the chapel myself. It is mentioned in books by Richard Fawcett. All best wishes.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20221002195900-Tullibardine_Chapel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20221002195900-Tullibardine_Chapel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20221002195900-Tullibardine_Chapel"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught-20221010172100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught-20221010172100"></span>Copy-editing <a href="/wiki/James_Crichton_of_Frendraught" title="James Crichton of Frendraught">James Crichton of Frendraught</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught-20221010172100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Copy-editing James Crichton of Frendraught"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orcanami-20221010172100-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught"></span>Greetings! I am making minor prose edits to this article you started. As I am a new MILTHIST member and a relatively new Wikipedian, I am trying to stick to simple editing tasks. Please let me know if you have any issues with my contributions. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Orcanami" title="User:Orcanami">Orcanami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orcanami#top" title="User talk:Orcanami">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orcanami" title="Special:Contributions/Orcanami">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Orcanami-20221010172100-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orcanami-20221010172100-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orcanami-20221010172100-Copy-editing_James_Crichton_of_Frendraught"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)-20230104204700"><span id="Thomas_Anderson_.28landowner.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)-20230104204700"></span><a href="/wiki/Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)" title="Thomas Anderson (landowner)">Thomas Anderson (landowner)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)-20230104204700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Thomas Anderson (landowner)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seasider53-20230104204700-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)"></span>Wondering if you have any more info on this gentleman. There are a few decent resources, but their previews on Google are limited and the titles don't seem to be available for purchase. <a href="/wiki/User:Seasider53" title="User:Seasider53">Seasider53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seasider53" title="User talk:Seasider53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Seasider53-20230104204700-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seasider53-20230104204700-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seasider53-20230104204700-Thomas_Anderson_(landowner)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20230104213100-Seasider53-20230104204700"></span>Named in a Perth bridge project in 1765, added this to the article. Seems a bit young at 25, and so could have been his father, if so, still worth noting in this current article.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20230104213100-Seasider53-20230104204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20230104213100-Seasider53-20230104204700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20230104213100-Seasider53-20230104204700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill" data-mw-thread-id="h-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill-20230208193800"><span id="Donell_Dubh_.C3.93_Cathail_.2F_Daniel_Duff_O.27Cahill"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill-20230208193800"></span>Donell Dubh Ó Cathail / Daniel Duff O'Cahill<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill-20230208193800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Donell Dubh Ó Cathail / Daniel Duff O'Cahill"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aklein62-20230208193800-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill"></span>Thank you for edit on this article. But what is your source for the idea that the harper at Anne of Denmark's court was his father rather than the man himself? In the main source (Donnelly's article) I can't find any such possibility. If you can't substantiate it, I would revert to the previous version. <a href="/wiki/User:Aklein62" title="User:Aklein62">Aklein62</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aklein62" title="User talk:Aklein62">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Aklein62-20230208193800-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aklein62-20230208193800-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aklein62-20230208193800-Donell_Dubh_Ó_Cathail_/_Daniel_Duff_O'Cahill"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion-20230212093700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion-20230212093700"></span>Nomination of <a href="/wiki/Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell" title="Robert Mure of Caldwell">Robert Mure of Caldwell</a> for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion-20230212093700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Nomination of Robert Mure of Caldwell for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="afd-notice"> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clarityfiend-20230212093700-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article <b><a href="/wiki/Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell" title="Robert Mure of Caldwell">Robert Mure of Caldwell</a></b> is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a> or whether it should be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deleted</a>. <p>The article will be discussed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Mure of Caldwell">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Mure of Caldwell</a> until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. </p><p>Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. </p> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Clarityfiend" title="User:Clarityfiend">Clarityfiend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clarityfiend" title="User talk:Clarityfiend">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Clarityfiend-20230212093700-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 12 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clarityfiend-20230212093700-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clarityfiend-20230212093700-Nomination_of_Robert_Mure_of_Caldwell_for_deletion"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI-20230506000200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI-20230506000200"></span>DYK for Coronation of Edward VI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI-20230506000200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: DYK for Coronation of Edward VI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20230506000200-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256334245"><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2023/May#6_May_2023" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/May">6 May 2023</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Coronation_of_Edward_VI" title="Coronation of Edward VI">Coronation of Edward VI</a></b></i>, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was <i>... that <a href="/wiki/Edward_VI" title="Edward VI">Edward VI</a> was only nine years old on the day of <b><a href="/wiki/Coronation_of_Edward_VI" title="Coronation of Edward VI">his coronation</a></b>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Coronation_of_Edward_VI" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Coronation of Edward VI">Template:Did you know nominations/Coronation of Edward VI</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="//pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2023-04-26&end=2023-05-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Coronation_of_Edward_VI">Coronation of Edward VI</a>)</small>, and the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics/Monthly_DYK_pageview_leaders" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders">the statistics page</a> after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div><p> — <a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Amakuru-20230506000200-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amakuru-20230506000200-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amakuru-20230506000200-DYK_for_Coronation_of_Edward_VI"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500-Amakuru-20230506000200"></span>I've just been reading some of your wonderful coronation articles. Such great research and prose, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500-Amakuru-20230506000200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 16 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500-Amakuru-20230506000200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500-Amakuru-20230506000200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20231216150600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500"></span>Thank you, I'm glad that you like them.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20231216150600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20231216150600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20231216150600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20231216095500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge-20230712220200"><span id="Wikipedia:The_10.2C000_Challenge"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge-20230712220200"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge">Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge-20230712220200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seasider53-20230712220200-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge"></span>I feel like I might have mentioned this to you before, but take a peek to see if it might be of interest. Hoping to get over the line this year, if not early next. <a href="/wiki/User:Seasider53" title="User:Seasider53">Seasider53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seasider53" title="User talk:Seasider53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Seasider53-20230712220200-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seasider53-20230712220200-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seasider53-20230712220200-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation-20230721075100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation-20230721075100"></span>Invitation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation-20230721075100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: Invitation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border:2px solid #90C0FF; background:#F0F0FF; width:99%; padding:4px"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/175px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="175" height="175" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/263px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/350px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello Unoquha! </p> <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">New Pages Patrol</a> is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help.</li> <li>We think that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Guidelines_for_granting" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers">guidelines for granting</a>.</li> <li>Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines.</li> <li>Kindly read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">the tutorial</a> before making your decision, and feel free to post on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NPPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NPPR">project talk page</a> with questions.</li> <li>If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/NPP"><b>applying here</b></a>.</li></ul> <p>Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! </p> </div> <p>Sent by <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zippybonzo">Zippybonzo</a></span> using <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20230721075100-Invitation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Articles_about_women" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_about_women-20230804111900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_about_women-20230804111900"></span>Articles about women<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_about_women-20230804111900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Articles about women"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ipigott-20230804111900-Articles_about_women"></span>Hi there, Unoquha, and thank you for writing so many articles about British royals, nobles, aristocrats and courtiers, especially those about women who are generally so poorly represented. I see from your user page that you are not particularly interested in wikiprojects but if you were to become a member of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Women_in_Red" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Women in Red">Women in Red</a>, I'm pretty sure you would inspire many more contributors. Happy editing!--<a href="/wiki/User:Ipigott" title="User:Ipigott">Ipigott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott" title="User talk:Ipigott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ipigott-20230804111900-Articles_about_women" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ipigott-20230804111900-Articles_about_women"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ipigott-20230804111900-Articles_about_women"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20230805084400-Ipigott-20230804111900"></span>Thank you for getting touch with this kind affirmation, and I will have a closer look at the project, all best wishes!<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20230805084400-Ipigott-20230804111900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20230805084400-Ipigott-20230804111900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20230805084400-Ipigott-20230804111900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rose_Anderson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rose_Anderson-20230904173200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rose_Anderson-20230904173200"></span>Rose Anderson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rose_Anderson-20230904173200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Rose Anderson"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seasider53-20230904173200-Rose_Anderson"></span>Do you have any information on the above, roaming wife of <a href="/wiki/Thomas_Hay_Marshall" title="Thomas Hay Marshall">Thomas Hay Marshall</a>? I was thinking of creating an article on here, with the basis being the naming of <a href="/wiki/Rose_Terrace_(Perth,_Scotland)" title="Rose Terrace (Perth, Scotland)">Rose Terrace</a> being part of her notability. I fear there isn’t much about her online. <a href="/wiki/User:Seasider53" title="User:Seasider53">Seasider53</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seasider53" title="User talk:Seasider53">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Seasider53-20230904173200-Rose_Anderson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seasider53-20230904173200-Rose_Anderson"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seasider53-20230904173200-Rose_Anderson"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20230904201900-Seasider53-20230904173200"></span>Well, no. But the divorce is clearly of interest to historians. I see an open-access article about the ballad and her story, so I put that as an external link.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20230904201900-Seasider53-20230904173200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20230904201900-Seasider53-20230904173200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20230904201900-Seasider53-20230904173200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-20230906044100"><span id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_.28September_6.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-20230906044100"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:George_Wandesford&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:George Wandesford (page does not exist)">George Wandesford</a> (September 6)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-20230906044100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Your submission at Articles for creation: George Wandesford (September 6)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/50px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/75px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/100px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Your recent article submission to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for Creation</a> has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ingratis was: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r890676480">.mw-parser-output .divbox{padding:1em;margin:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox .divbox-heading{width:auto;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;font-weight:bold;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .divbox-amber{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-berk{background-color:#b78727;border:1px solid #0f4d92}.mw-parser-output .divbox-black{background-color:black;border:1px solid white;color:white;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-bloodred{background-color:#ff3333;border:1px solid #cc0000;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-blue{background-color:#dee;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-brown{background-color:#f2deb8;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-darkgreen{background-color:#006a4d;color:#ffffff;border:4px solid #ffffff;border-radius:5em;box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75)}.mw-parser-output .divbox-docgreen{background-color:#ecfcf4;border:1px solid #aaaaaa}.mw-parser-output .divbox-double{background-color:inherit;border:1px double #000000;letter-spacing:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email{font-weight:bold;margin-left:2em;border:black solid 1px;border-style:dotted solid dotted solid;background:palegreen}.mw-parser-output .divbox-fawn{border:1px solid #cd853f;background-color:#fff8dc;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-forest{background-color:#b5dbaf;border:1px solid #006633}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gold{background-color:#cc0;border:1px solid #f00}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey{background-color:#eeeeee;border:1px solid #999999}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray99,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey99{background-color:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #dddddd}.mw-parser-output .divbox-grayh,.mw-parser-output .divbox-greyh{background:transparent;border:solid 4px lightgray;border-left:none;border-right:none;color:gray}.mw-parser-output .divbox-green{background-color:#ccffcc;border:1px solid #009900}.mw-parser-output .divbox-greenv{background:transparent;border:solid 8px lightgreen;border-top:none;border-bottom:none}.mw-parser-output .divbox-ivory{border:1px solid #0000ff;background-color:#fffff0;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lavender{background-color:#e6e6fa;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lightblue{background-color:#f0f8ff;border:1px solid #7cb9e8}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lilac{background-color:#c8a2c8;border:1px solid silver}.mw-parser-output .divbox-n{border:7px solid #0ff0ff;background-color:#f0fff0;border-radius:25px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-navy{background-color:#aadbe0;border:1px solid #00477b}.mw-parser-output .divbox-none{border:1px hidden}.mw-parser-output .divbox-nyanza{background-color:#e9ffdb;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-orange{background-color:#ffdeb5;border:1px solid #ff6600}.mw-parser-output .divbox-plain{background-color:inherit;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-purple{background-color:#ffdaff;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-red{background-color:#ffcccc;border:1px solid #cc0000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-sia{background-color:#cccccc;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-siaaa{background-color:#d5dceb;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-simar{background-color:#f2deb8;border:4px solid #810541;border-radius:5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-teal{background-color:#008080;border:1px solid #40e0d0}.mw-parser-output .divbox-thistle{background-color:#d8bfd8;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt{background-color:transparent;color:darkblue;border:1px solid grey}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wdl{background-color:#cee3f6;border:1px solid #cee3f6}.mw-parser-output .divbox-white{background-color:#ffffff;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{background-color:blue;color:white;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email,.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt,.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{font-family:monospace,monospace}.mw-parser-output .divbox-yellow{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #ffcc00}</style><div class="metadata divbox divbox-gray">This submission's references do not show that the subject <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">qualifies for a Wikipedia article</a>—that is, they do not show <i>significant</i> coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in <i>published</i>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources"><i>reliable</i></a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary" title="Wikipedia:No original research"><i>secondary</i></a> sources that are <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent_sources" title="Wikipedia:Independent sources">independent</a></i> of the subject (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (people)">guidelines on the notability of people</a>). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners#Inserting_a_reference" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">technical help</a> and learn about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Common_sourcing_mistakes_(notability)" title="Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)">mistakes to avoid</a> when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.</div> The comment the reviewer left was: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r890676480"><div class="metadata divbox divbox-blue">Owning land and being knighted don't in themselves amount to notability in the Wikipedia sense. This presently consists mostly of genealogy and information about family connections - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTGENEALOGY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTGENEALOGY">WP:NOTGENEALOGY</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED">WP:NOTINHERITED</a> - plus information on land ownership.</div> Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit <i>after they have been resolved</i>. <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <ul><li>If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:George_Wandesford&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:George Wandesford (page does not exist)">Draft:George Wandesford</a> and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.</li> <li>If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G13._Abandoned_Drafts_and_Articles_for_creation_submissions" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">may be deleted</a>.</li> <li>If you need any assistance, or have experienced any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Scam_warning" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning">untoward behavior</a> associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/New_question&withJS=MediaWiki:AFCHD-wizard.js&page=Draft:George_Wandesford"><b>Articles for creation help desk</b></a></span>, on the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ingratis&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:George_Wandesford"><b>reviewer's talk page</b></a></span> or use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer" title="Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer">Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors</a>.</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)"></span></div> <table style="margin: 0.4em 2em;"> <tbody><tr style="vertical-align: top;"> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-1"></span><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Teahouse logo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" decoding="async" width="101" height="101" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="101" data-file-height="101"/></a></span> </td> <td><div style="background-color:#e1e6db; color: #393D38; padding: 1em; font-size: 1.1em; border-radius:10px;box-shadow:-2px -2px 1px #8e8a78;">Hello, <b>Unoquha</b>! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk">Articles for creation help desk</a></b>. If you have any <i>other</i> questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a></b>, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! <a href="/wiki/User:Ingratis" title="User:Ingratis">Ingratis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingratis" title="User talk:Ingratis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ingratis-20230906044100-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_George_Wandesford_(September_6)-1"></span></div> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Akane_Yamaguchi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Akane_Yamaguchi-20230917102600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Akane_Yamaguchi-20230917102600"></span>Akane Yamaguchi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Akane_Yamaguchi-20230917102600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Akane Yamaguchi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.120.176.238-20230917102600-Akane_Yamaguchi"></span>Hello. Help removed template. Thanks you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.120.176.238" title="Special:Contributions/103.120.176.238">103.120.176.238</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:103.120.176.238&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:103.120.176.238 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-103.120.176.238-20230917102600-Akane_Yamaguchi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.120.176.238-20230917102600-Akane_Yamaguchi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.120.176.238-20230917102600-Akane_Yamaguchi"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks-20231117194500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks-20231117194500"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks-20231117194500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Thanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500-Thanks"></span>Hi Unoquha, </p><p>Thanks for creating an article for the wedding of François II and Mary Stuart. I understand you came to make the article via your work on Mary Stuart (whereas if I ever produced such an article it would be coming from other work on François) but its great to see active content creation on this period. I've had a look through your catalogue of creations, very impressive! :) </p><p>If we keep working on our respective sides of the channel I'm sure we can make this period of Anglo-French politics very fleshed out on Wikipedia! <a href="/wiki/User:Sovietblobfish" title="User:Sovietblobfish">sovietblobfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sovietblobfish" title="User talk:Sovietblobfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500-Thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500-Thanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500-Thanks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20231117200200-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500"></span>Thank you for these kind words, and also the article could indeed look well with a bit more François II.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20231117200200-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20231117200200-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20231117200200-Sovietblobfish-20231117194500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117205000-Unoquha-20231117200200"></span>After you've finished what you have for it (and I've finished the project I'm working on at the moment, so maybe not until next year haha) I can help with integrating some French sources I have at my disposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Sovietblobfish" title="User:Sovietblobfish">sovietblobfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sovietblobfish" title="User talk:Sovietblobfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Sovietblobfish-20231117205000-Unoquha-20231117200200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117205000-Unoquha-20231117200200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sovietblobfish-20231117205000-Unoquha-20231117200200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington_has_been_accepted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington_has_b-20231118203400"><span id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary.2C_Haddington_has_been_accepted"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington_has_b-20231118203400"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Abbey of St Mary, Haddington (page does not exist)">The Abbey of St Mary, Haddington</a> has been accepted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington_has_b-20231118203400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Your submission at Articles for creation: The Abbey of St Mary, Haddington has been accepted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-20231118203400-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington_has_b"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/50px-AFC-Logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/75px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/AFC-Logo.svg/100px-AFC-Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b><a href="/w/index.php?title=The_Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The Abbey of St Mary, Haddington (page does not exist)">The Abbey of St Mary, Haddington</a>, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.</b><br/> <p>Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! 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I have changed the article title to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Abbey_of_St_Mary,_Haddington&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Abbey of St Mary, Haddington (page does not exist)">Abbey of St Mary, Haddington</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20231118214300-Theroadislong-20231118203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20231118214300-Theroadislong-20231118203400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20231118214300-Theroadislong-20231118203400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2023-20231125175400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2023-20231125175400"></span>November 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2023-20231125175400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: November 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20231125175400-November_2023"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Before adding a category to an article, as you did to <a href="/wiki/Category:16th-century_tailors" title="Category:16th-century tailors">Category:16th-century tailors</a>, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">categorization guidelines</a>. The category being added must already exist, and must be supported by the article's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiable</a> content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. <i>Can you please add categories to any category you make? Otherwise people can't find it.</i> <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Smasongarrison-20231125175400-November_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smasongarrison-20231125175400-November_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smasongarrison-20231125175400-November_2023"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court_has_been_nominated_for_conversion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court_has_been_nominated_for_con-20231125180900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court_has_been_nominated_for_con-20231125180900"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:African presence at the Scottish royal court (page does not exist)">Category:African presence at the Scottish royal court</a> has been nominated for conversion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court_has_been_nominated_for_con-20231125180900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Category:African presence at the Scottish royal court has been nominated for conversion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smasongarrison-20231125180900-Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court_has_been_nominated_for_con"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Ambox_warning_orange.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326"/></span></span></div><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:African_presence_at_the_Scottish_royal_court&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:African presence at the Scottish royal court (page does not exist)">Category:African presence at the Scottish royal court</a> has been nominated for conversion. 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Can you kindly provide your source? Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:ZoneAlarm5" title="User:ZoneAlarm5">ZoneAlarm5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZoneAlarm5" title="User talk:ZoneAlarm5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400-Philippa_Coningsby" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400-Philippa_Coningsby"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400-Philippa_Coningsby"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240102203400-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400"></span>Thank you for alerting me to this. I can't remember where I saw the 1620 date, and will try a find a source. In the meantime I will take out the unsourced information. Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240102203400-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240102203400-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240102203400-ZoneAlarm5-20240102192400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lupold_von_Wedel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lupold_von_Wedel-20240112193000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lupold_von_Wedel-20240112193000"></span><a href="/wiki/Lupold_von_Wedel" title="Lupold von Wedel">Lupold von Wedel</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lupold_von_Wedel-20240112193000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: Lupold von Wedel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DarmaniLink-20240112193000-Lupold_von_Wedel"></span>Is it unclear whether he went to Seton Palace or Pinkie House? The new wording seems ambiguous <a href="/wiki/User:DarmaniLink" title="User:DarmaniLink">DarmaniLink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DarmaniLink" title="User talk:DarmaniLink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-DarmaniLink-20240112193000-Lupold_von_Wedel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DarmaniLink-20240112193000-Lupold_von_Wedel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DarmaniLink-20240112193000-Lupold_von_Wedel"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240112195700-Lupold_von_Wedel"></span>It seems unclear in the translated source, I think. Both houses belonged to the Seton family. I could check this page, and rephrase here as required.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240112195700-Lupold_von_Wedel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240112195700-Lupold_von_Wedel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240112195700-Lupold_von_Wedel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240112200100-Unoquha-20240112195700"></span>In the source the house is called "Zidon", so I will use that.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240112200100-Unoquha-20240112195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240112200100-Unoquha-20240112195700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240112200100-Unoquha-20240112195700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240112200600-Unoquha-20240112200100"></span>This seems better: "Wedel went to Musselburgh and visited a house which he called "Zidon" (possibly Seton Palace or Pinkie House), and enjoyed the garden but could not get in." 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It is known as the Scultpured Cross, not the Canna sculpured cross. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Scope_creep-20240617105100-Canna_Sculpured_Cross" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20240617105100-Canna_Sculpured_Cross"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20240617105100-Canna_Sculpured_Cross"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240617121100-Scope_creep-20240617105100"></span>As per the edit summary "article describes a particular sculptured cross rather than sculptured crosses in general". There are other sculptured crosses in Scotland and elsewhere. The HES CANMORE database has entries for "Strathmartine, Sculptured Cross" and "Moniaive, Sculptured Cross" and so on.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240617121100-Scope_creep-20240617105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240617121100-Scope_creep-20240617105100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240617121100-Scope_creep-20240617105100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20240617142400-Unoquha-20240617121100"></span>That is what canmore defines them as, not what are actually called in sources. Did you look at sources. No you didnt. The starthmartine celtic cross is called the Strathmartine Cross, not the Strathmartine Sculptured Cross. What a total waste of time. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Scope_creep-20240617142400-Unoquha-20240617121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20240617142400-Unoquha-20240617121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20240617142400-Unoquha-20240617121100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240617142800-Unoquha-20240617121100"></span>Many thanks for your contributions to wikipedia.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240617142800-Unoquha-20240617121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240617142800-Unoquha-20240617121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240617142800-Unoquha-20240617121100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature-20240808225900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature-20240808225900"></span>Lady Anne Clifford Miniature<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature-20240808225900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Lady Anne Clifford Miniature"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CountCavendish-20240808225900-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature"></span>I believe you added the paragraph on the miniature Anne Clifford sent to her mother in June 1615 and I would love to know how you came across that wonderful letter, as it has taken me a lot of digging this evening to find out where it is! It has been bugging me incessantly, so I had to ask, though I apologise if this isn't the 'done' thing. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CountCavendish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CountCavendish (page does not exist)">CountCavendish</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CountCavendish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:CountCavendish (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-CountCavendish-20240808225900-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 8 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CountCavendish-20240808225900-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CountCavendish-20240808225900-Lady_Anne_Clifford_Miniature"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unoquha-20240809000100-CountCavendish-20240808225900"></span>These Historical Manuscripts Commission volumes are (mostly) online, but are not easy to find, here is a link <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000010417685&seq=93"><i>HMC 11th Report Appendix Part VII: Lord Hothfield</i> (London, 1888), p. 83</a> I will put this the page.<a href="/wiki/User:Unoquha" title="User:Unoquha">Unoquha</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unoquha#c-Unoquha-20240809000100-CountCavendish-20240808225900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unoquha-20240809000100-CountCavendish-20240808225900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unoquha-20240809000100-CountCavendish-20240808225900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2024-20241027140300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2024-20241027140300"></span>October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2024-20241027140300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Unoquha&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DrKay-20241027140300-October_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hi Unoquha! 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