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innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WPanthroponymy.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/26px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png" decoding="async" width="26" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/40px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/52px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="53" data-file-height="51"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy">Anthroponymy</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WPanthroponymy.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/80px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="77" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/120px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/WPanthroponymy.svg/160px-WPanthroponymy.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="53" data-file-height="51"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This template is within the scope of <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy">WikiProject Anthroponymy</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of <a href="/wiki/Anthroponymy" title="Anthroponymy">the study of people's names</a> on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Anthroponymy</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Anthroponymy</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Anthroponymy articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Automatically_add_a_comment?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Automatically_add_a_comment?-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"><span id="Automatically_add_a_comment.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Automatically_add_a_comment?-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"></span>Automatically add a comment?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Automatically_add_a_comment?-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Automatically add a comment?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z-Automatically_add_a_comment?"></span>Is it possible for this template to automatically add a comment to the page stating something to the effect of "This page is for listing NOTABLE people with the name XXX. In general, the person in question should already have a Wikipedia article about them or relating to them. Please do not add your own name to this list. Thank you." </p><p>Okay, that text is not perfect, because despite grave COI concerns, I know Wikipedia would theoretically allow a famous celebrity to add their own name to a disambig page. But I'd like to see <i>some</i> kind of automated warning, because the problem of people typing in their own name, seeing a list and saying, "Oooo, it is perfectly fine for me to add myself!" is quite widespread... --<a href="/wiki/User:Jaysweet" title="User:Jaysweet">Jaysweet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jaysweet" title="User talk:Jaysweet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z-Automatically_add_a_comment?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z-Automatically_add_a_comment?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z-Automatically_add_a_comment?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2008-03-22T13:51:00.000Z-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"></span>It is technically possible for the template to include a comment. My suggestion would be to add a comment like <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced"></span>f --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ceyockey-2008-03-22T13:51:00.000Z-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2008-03-22T13:51:00.000Z-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2008-03-22T13:51:00.000Z-Jaysweet-2008-03-21T11:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mostly_given_names?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mostly_given_names?-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z"><span id="Mostly_given_names.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mostly_given_names?-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z"></span>Mostly given names?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mostly_given_names?-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Mostly given names?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zenohockey-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z-Mostly_given_names?"></span>Is this template appropriate on a page that <i>mostly</i>, but not exclusively, lists given names? I'm working on <a href="/wiki/Laetitia" class="mw-disambig" title="Laetitia">Laetitia</a>, which currently has <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Disambig" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Template:Disambig">Disambig</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zenohockey" title="User:Zenohockey">zenohockey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zenohockey" title="User talk:Zenohockey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Zenohockey-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z-Mostly_given_names?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zenohockey-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z-Mostly_given_names?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zenohockey-2008-05-21T16:30:00.000Z-Mostly_given_names?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Parameter_order_matters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parameter_order_matters-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Parameter_order_matters-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z"></span>Parameter order matters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Parameter_order_matters-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Parameter order matters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z-Parameter_order_matters"></span>It appears that the 'nocat' parameter needs to be the last parameter presented. Compare the two versions of <a href="/wiki/Yusuke" class="mw-redirect" title="Yusuke">Yusuke</a>; <a class="external text" href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Yusuke&oldid=215231339">'nocat' not last</a> vs. <a class="external text" href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Yusuke&oldid=215659144">'nocat' last</a>. --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ceyockey-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z-Parameter_order_matters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z-Parameter_order_matters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2008-05-29T03:53:00.000Z-Parameter_order_matters"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Placement of templates on disambiguation pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Placement of templates on disambiguation pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages"></span>I'm trying to initiate some discussion regarding placement of this template on disambiguation pages at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages)#surname_and_given_name_templates_on_dab_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)">Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#surname and given name templates on dab pages</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Bkonrad-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2009-01-25T13:06:00.000Z-Placement_of_templates_on_disambiguation_pages"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broken?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broken?-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z"><span id="Broken.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broken?-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z"></span>Broken?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broken?-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Broken?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paul_012-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z-Broken?"></span>The template doesn't currently seem to be inserting categories as described in the documentation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paul_012" title="User:Paul 012">Paul_012</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paul_012" title="User talk:Paul 012">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Paul_012-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z-Broken?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paul_012-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z-Broken?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paul_012-2009-02-18T09:53:00.000Z-Broken?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Category:All_disambiguation_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:All_disambiguation_page-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Category:All_disambiguation_page-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z"></span>Category:All disambiguation page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Category:All_disambiguation_page-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Category:All disambiguation page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davidgothberg-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z-Category:All_disambiguation_page"></span>There is now a discussion about how the disambig, set index and name boxes should categorise pages. See the discussion over at <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Dmbox#Category:All_disambiguation_pages" title="Template talk:Dmbox">Template talk:Dmbox#Category:All disambiguation pages</a>. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Davidgothberg" title="User:Davidgothberg">David Göthberg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davidgothberg" title="User talk:Davidgothberg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Davidgothberg-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z-Category:All_disambiguation_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davidgothberg-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z-Category:All_disambiguation_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davidgothberg-2009-03-02T09:39:00.000Z-Category:All_disambiguation_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_just_an_index?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_just_an_index?-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z"><span id="Not_just_an_index.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_just_an_index?-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Not just an index?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_just_an_index?-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Not just an index?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fayenatic_london-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z-Not_just_an_index?"></span>Was there any discussion before changing "This page or section lists people with the given name" to "This page is an index of articles on people that share..." ? I think they are different. Good articles about names include information about the origin and meaning of a name; even if the biggest part of the page is one or more lists of names, the page is more than an index. I propose to revert the text. - <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Fayenatic_london-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z-Not_just_an_index?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fayenatic_london-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z-Not_just_an_index?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fayenatic_london-2009-05-05T19:07:00.000Z-Not_just_an_index?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Too_much_disambiguation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Too_much_disambiguation?-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"><span id="Too_much_disambiguation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Too_much_disambiguation?-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"></span>Too much disambiguation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Too_much_disambiguation?-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Too much disambiguation?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z-Too_much_disambiguation?"></span>I understand the reason for family name disambiguations, but first (given) name disambigs? Do we want a page listing tens of thousands notable Johns? I think all articles tagged with this template should be deleted. Thoughts? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk to me</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z-Too_much_disambiguation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z-Too_much_disambiguation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z-Too_much_disambiguation?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"></span>They aren't disambiguations (surnames nor given names), but anthroponymy articles or list articles. They cannot simply be deleted en masse. Also, I do not believe we have a page listing tens of thousands of notable Johns. See also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anthroponymy/Home_backup#Background_reading" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Home backup">Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Home backup#Background reading</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:JHunterJ" title="User:JHunterJ">JHunterJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JHunterJ" title="User talk:JHunterJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z-Piotrus-2011-11-22T00:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dondegroovily-2011-12-19T15:55:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Generally, disambig pages for a given name should only list people where that is their only name. For John, for example, you would list the various King John, and the Bible Johns, but you would not list John Smith. <a href="/wiki/User:Dondegroovily" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dondegroovily"><span style="color:red"><b>D O N D E</b></span> <small>groovily</small></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dondegroovily" title="User talk:Dondegroovily"><span style="color:green">Talk to me</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Dondegroovily-2011-12-19T15:55:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dondegroovily-2011-12-19T15:55:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dondegroovily-2011-12-19T15:55:00.000Z-JHunterJ-2011-11-29T00:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Text_revision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Text_revision-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Text_revision-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"></span>Text revision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Text_revision-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Text revision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z-Text_revision"></span>The template text says, "This page or section lists people that share the same given name.", but the documentation says, "Do not use this template on disambiguation pages that contain a list of people by given names." So which is correct? Should the first sentence be updated to say something like, "This page is about a given name."? <a href="/wiki/User:Ibadibam" title="User:Ibadibam">Ibadibam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ibadibam" title="User talk:Ibadibam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z-Text_revision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z-Text_revision"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z-Text_revision"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bever-2014-12-31T00:43:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"></span>Some disambiguation pages list both people with a certain name and other entities (places, brands, other things) with the same name. These pages have already the 'disambiguation page' template, and apparently a double template is not desirable. When the disambiguation page lists <i>only</i> people with the name, and no other entities, the disambiguation page template should be replaced with a given/surname template. For example, I just did this on <a href="/wiki/Anouk" title="Anouk">Anouk</a>.</dd> <dd>I think the template text is correct: a list of persons is what the template is intended for. This is information for readers (end users). Editors should look at the template description before adding a template, so the text need not be changed for them. <a href="/wiki/User:Bever" title="User:Bever">Bever</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bever" title="User talk:Bever">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Bever-2014-12-31T00:43:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bever-2014-12-31T00:43:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bever-2014-12-31T00:43:00.000Z-Ibadibam-2014-10-20T22:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?" data-mw-thread-id="h-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"><span id="masculine.2C_feminine_or_unisex.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"></span>masculine, feminine or unisex?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: masculine, feminine or unisex?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?"></span>I modified the category of <a href="/wiki/Ossip" title="Ossip">Ossip</a> to indicate that it is a Masculine given name because that was the information I was looking for but it was not immediately obvious from the page without looking at all the individuals. Would it be a good idea to move all given names into the relevant masculine/feminine/unisex subcategory? </p><p>Is unisex really necessary/useful? A name can have multiple categories and it seems to me it would be more useful for unisex names to be listed under both masculine and feminine. <a href="/wiki/User:DenisHowe" title="User:DenisHowe">DenisHowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DenisHowe" title="User talk:DenisHowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 24 May 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z-masculine,_feminine_or_unisex?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ibadibam-2015-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"></span>No opinion about the first point, but there are surely names in some cultures that are neither masculine nor feminine and belong only in the unisex category. <a href="/wiki/User:Ibadibam" title="User:Ibadibam">Ibadibam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ibadibam" title="User talk:Ibadibam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ibadibam-2015-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ibadibam-2015-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ibadibam-2015-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-DenisHowe-2015-05-24T21:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="It's_time_to_face_facts" data-mw-thread-id="h-It's_time_to_face_facts-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"><span id="It.27s_time_to_face_facts"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-It's_time_to_face_facts-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"></span>It's time to face facts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-It's_time_to_face_facts-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: It's time to face facts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z-It's_time_to_face_facts"></span>We need a another parameter, for first names that are not given names. </p><p>"Judy" or "Doug" or "Bob" are not <i>usually</i> given names (sometimes they are) but rather -- choose the term you prefer -- <a href="/wiki/Hypocorism" title="Hypocorism">hypocorisms</a>, pet names, affectionate diminutives, diminutives, or nicknames. There's quite a bit of difference: see the article <a href="/wiki/Given_name" title="Given name">Given name</a>, it is the formal personal name (first name in English-speaking cultures) given to one at birth or christening, and written on one's birth certificate. It's not at all one's nickname, they're entirely different things, usually related (Judith --> Judy) but sometimes not (Roland --> <a href="/wiki/Bunny_Berigan" title="Bunny Berigan">Bunny</a>). </p><p>Yet we have, and will have more, articles about these shortened forms. Currently the template allows us to say: </p> <blockquote class="example example-block" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);"><p>This page lists people that share... </p><ul><li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Personal_name" title="Personal name">personal name</a></li> <li>...the same given name or the same family name</li> <li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Family_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Family name">family name</a></li> <li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Given_name" title="Given name">given name</a></li></ul></blockquote> <p>But there's no place to add "nickname" (or whatever term we want to use). It's not true and and not a service to the reader to place this template at the bottom of "Judy", "Judi", or "Judie", or "Zack (given name)" or "Doug" or what have you and state that these people were all given there name, formally, at birth. (N.B.: "personal name" means full name, e.g. "James Smith".) </p><p>It's complicated by the fact that sometimes people <i>will</i> formally name their kids "Bo Anb" or "Judi" or what have you, so we have to include that in nicknames. Anyway, I propose to add the parameter "nickname" giving an additional phrase: </p> <blockquote class="example example-block" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);"><p>This page lists people that share... </p><ul><li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Personal_name" title="Personal name">personal name</a></li> <li>...the same given name or the same family name</li> <li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Family_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Family name">family name</a></li> <li>...the same <a href="/wiki/Given_name" title="Given name">given name</a></li> <li><b>...the same <a href="/wiki/Given_name" title="Given name">given name</a> or <a href="/wiki/Nickname" title="Nickname">nickname</a></b></li></ul></blockquote> <p>So OK, my only question is <b>what term to use?</b> where I have <a href="/w/index.php?title=Nichname&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Nichname (page does not exist)">nichname</a>? </p> <ul><li>Nickname?</li> <li>Diminutive?</li> <li>Affectionate diminutive?</li> <li>Hypocorism?</li> <li>Pet name?</li> <li>???</li></ul> <p>Or, instead of "<a href="/wiki/Given_name" title="Given name">given name</a> or <a href="/wiki/Nickname" title="Nickname">nickname</a>", just use "first name" -- that covers both. However, this leaves out Hungarians, East Asians, some Africans, and Turanga Leela, so... don't think that'd do? </p><p>My feeling is to go with "nickname" but there are problems with each. Before proceeding I request counsel from my colleagues. <a href="/wiki/User:Herostratus" title="User:Herostratus">Herostratus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Herostratus" title="User talk:Herostratus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z-It's_time_to_face_facts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z-It's_time_to_face_facts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z-It's_time_to_face_facts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gracefool-2016-03-17T01:07:00.000Z-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"></span>How about both? Change "given name" to "first name" <b>and</b> add "nickname"? ··<a href="/wiki/User:Gracefool" title="User:Gracefool">gracefool</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gracefool" title="User talk:Gracefool">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Gracefool-2016-03-17T01:07:00.000Z-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 17 March 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gracefool-2016-03-17T01:07:00.000Z-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gracefool-2016-03-17T01:07:00.000Z-Herostratus-2016-03-06T02:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 3 June 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 3 June 2018"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table><p> Please change the coding where it says:</p><blockquote><p>{{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|page or section}}</p></blockquote><p>replacing it with:</p><blockquote><p>{{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|{{#if:{{{page|}}}|page|page or section}}}}</p></blockquote><p>Having a conditional parser for designating when the text should be "section specific" implies we could use a parameter for "page specific" text as well, especially when the default says "this page or section". The requested change introduces the parameter <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|page=</code> without affecting the existing transclusions unless or until the new parameter is ever used. I'll update the template's documentation if the change is accepted, unless the editor effecting the change chooses to update the /doc their self. Thank you.--<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Cline#Top" title="User talk:John Cline">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 3 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_June_2018"></span> </p><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-04T12:45:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a>:</span> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ahecht-2018-06-04T12:45:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-04T12:45:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-2018-06-04T12:45:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-03T14:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 5 June 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 5 June 2018"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table><p> Please edit markup to establish this template's tranclusion on disambiguation pages as a "<strong class="error"></strong>". Where the templates coding begins as:</p><pre>{{dmbox | type = setindex | image = [[File:WPanthroponymy.svg|30px|link=]] | text = ...</pre> <p>Change it to begin as: </p> <pre>{{#ifeq:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAMEBASE}} (disambiguation) |<strong class="error";>[[Category:Wikipedia page transclusions with strong class errors]]</strong> |{{dmbox | type = setindex | image = [[File:WPanthroponymy.svg|30px|link=]] | text = ...</pre> <p>And add closing brackets at the bottom where it now says: </p> <pre> {{#if:{{{cat9|}}}|[[Category:{{{cat9|}}}]]}} }} |  }}<noinclude></pre> <p>Making it say: </p> <pre> {{#if:{{{cat9|}}}|[[Category:{{{cat9|}}}]]}} }} |  }} }}<noinclude> </pre> <p>Currently it is possible to transclude <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> on disambiguation pages which would potentially break template <span class="nowrap"><code>{{disambiguation}}</code></span>'s internal code, changing it from a disambiguation page into a set index article. </p><p>Effecting the requested change (tested as well) will establish such transcluions as a <strong class="error">, reduce template's output to null, and sort the disambiguation page with the improper transclusion into <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_page_transclusions_with_strong_class_errors" title="Category:Wikipedia page transclusions with strong class errors">Category:Wikipedia page transclusions with strong class errors</a>. </p><p>This change will not affect transclusions on pages that are not disambiguation pages. I think this is a needed improvement. I have already updated the template documentation anticipating acceptance of this request.--<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Cline#Top" title="User talk:John Cline">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_June_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a>:</span> Do you have a sense of how many pages this will affect? Would it make more sense to first implement a tracking category (e.g. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Disambiguation_pages_with_Given_name_templates&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Disambiguation pages with Given name templates (page does not exist)">Category:Disambiguation pages with Given name templates</a>), giving the servers a week or so to catch up, fixing the affected pages, and then implementing the error message? --<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T12:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for considering this request <a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a>, I appreciate you very much. I manually scanned the list of transclusions and found the following 27 disambiguation pages that have <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> transcluded upon them:<blockquote><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1129693374">.mw-parser-output .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul{margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt,.mw-parser-output .hlist li{margin:0;display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ul{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist .mw-empty-li{display:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dt::after{content:": "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li::after{content:" · ";font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li:last-child::after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:first-child::before{content:" (";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:last-child::after{content:")";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol{counter-reset:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li{counter-increment:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li::before{content:" "counter(listitem)"\a0 "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li ol>li:first-child::before{content:" ("counter(listitem)"\a0 "}</style><div class="hlist"><ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Valerii_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Valerii (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Valerii (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/%C3%86thelfrith_(disambiguation)" title="Æthelfrith (disambiguation)">Æthelfrith (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Myles_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Myles (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Myles (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/%C3%86thelstan_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Æthelstan (disambiguation)">Æthelstan (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Callixenus_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Callixenus (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Callixenus (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Othniel_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Othniel (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Othniel (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Manucho_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Manucho (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Manucho (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Cyrus_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Cyrus (disambiguation)">Cyrus (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Zayed_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Zayed (disambiguation)">Zayed (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Josephus_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Josephus (disambiguation)">Josephus (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Mandar_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Mandar (disambiguation)">Mandar (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Boudewijn_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Boudewijn (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Boudewijn (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Tendai_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Tendai (disambiguation)">Tendai (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Hoda_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Hoda (disambiguation)">Hoda (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Thrasamund_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Thrasamund (disambiguation)">Thrasamund (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Kwaku_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Kwaku (disambiguation)">Kwaku (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Shayla_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Shayla (disambiguation)">Shayla (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Sumayyah_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Sumayyah (disambiguation)">Sumayyah (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Abu_Nasr_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Abu Nasr (disambiguation)">Abu Nasr (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Aristagoras_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Aristagoras (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Aristagoras (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Mesfin_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Mesfin (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Mesfin (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Emlyn_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Emlyn (disambiguation)">Emlyn (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Ramya_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Ramya (disambiguation)">Ramya (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Hans_Christian_(disambiguation)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Hans Christian (disambiguation)">Hans Christian (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Sheikh_Zayed_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Sheikh Zayed (disambiguation)">Sheikh Zayed (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Waldrada_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Waldrada (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Waldrada (disambiguation)</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Sheikh_Muhammad_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Sheikh Muhammad (disambiguation)">Sheikh Muhammad (disambiguation)</a></li></ul></div></blockquote>While correcting these <strong class="error"> transclusions would be easy enough by working through the list given above, I'd like to see them sorted through <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_page_transclusions_with_strong_class_errors" title="Category:Wikipedia page transclusions with strong class errors">Category:Wikipedia page transclusions with strong class errors</a> to ensure such sorting triggers off the <strong class="error"> condition. And while correcting these 27 is important enough, perhaps even trivial to some, it is not the primary reason for my having requested this change.<p class="mw-empty-elt"></p><p>The main benefit, according to my system of beliefs, is the preemptive measure it will serve in preventing any future transclusion errors of this kind from occurring, and the immeasurable harvest we are certain to reap by correcting the flawed reasoning giving birth to these tranclusions in the moment when they are first being tried.</p><p>In my opinion, server lag is not a reason to delay implementation of the edit I am requesting. I am, however, happy to consider reasoned rebuttals to the contrary. Thank you again.--<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Cline#Top" title="User talk:John Cline">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T16:53:00.000Z"></span></p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a>:</span> I've made the requested changes to the sandbox, so you can transclude <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Given_name/sandbox" title="Template:Given name/sandbox">Given name/sandbox</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to test it. I was hesitant to implement it in the main template beacuse it would leave those 27 pages without any context. I assume that fixing those pages would involve swapping <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Given_name" title="Template:Given name">Given name</a>}}</code> for <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Human_name_disambiguation" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Human name disambiguation">Human name disambiguation</a>}}</code> or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Disambiguation" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Disambiguation">Disambiguation</a>|human name}}</code>, so one way to avoid the missing context issue is for the template to automatically add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Disambiguation" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Disambiguation">Disambiguation</a>|human name}}</code> if it's on a disambiguation page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z-John_Cline-2018-06-05T21:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T23:40:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a>, I understand your concern.<p class="mw-empty-elt"></p><p>After sampling the list from above, I noticed that some pages have both <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Disambiguation}}</code></span> and <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> transcluded and yet some have only <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> transcluded while they are titled in the "Page name (disambiguation)" form. Of the latter, some will require replacing <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> with <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Disambiguation|human name}}</code></span> while others will retain <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name}}</code></span> and be moved from their current title in the form of "Page name (disambiguation)" to a title in the form of "Page name (given name)" or "Page name (name)" with <span class="nowrap"><code>{{Given name<code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|section=</code>yes}}</code></span> being used in the appropriate "given name" section.</p><p>No matter how it gets sliced, the automated repair of one article's <strong class="error"> will create a symphony of corresponding errors on another page with regard to its <strong class="error">. Having said that, the only practical solution that I can see is to repair all 27 pages before implementing the request which I will begin to now do.</p><p>I will return and post to this thread when that has occurred, so you can know your prudent concern has been allayed. If you would like to deactivate the edit request, or place it on hold (if that's even possible) I will not holler foul. Thank you again.--<a href="/wiki/User:John_Cline" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Cline">John Cline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Cline#Top" title="User talk:John Cline">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T23:40:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T23:40:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Cline-2018-06-05T23:40:00.000Z-Ahecht-2018-06-05T21:58:00.000Z"></span></p></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Additional_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Additional_categories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Additional_categories"></span>Additional categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Additional_categories"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Additional categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Shouldn't <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Given_name" title="Template:Given name">given name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> place the page somewhere in the <a href="/wiki/Category:Set_indices" title="Category:Set indices">Category:Set indices</a> tree? </p><p>Ideally there would also be an additional category for the case where {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Given_name" title="Template:Given name">given name</a>|type=both}} is used. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Short_description" data-mw-thread-id="h-Short_description-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Short_description-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"></span>Short description<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Short_description-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Short description"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z-Short_description"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please add <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">noreplace</code> to the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Short_description" title="Template:Short description">short description</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template — <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr">{{short description|Name list|noreplace}}</code> — <a href="/wiki/User:GhostInTheMachine" title="User:GhostInTheMachine">GhostInTheMachine</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GhostInTheMachine" title="User talk:GhostInTheMachine">talk to me</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z-Short_description" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z-Short_description"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z-Short_description"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-31T17:02:00.000Z-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Given_name#c-Jonesey95-2022-05-31T17:02:00.000Z-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-31T17:02:00.000Z-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-31T17:02:00.000Z-GhostInTheMachine-2022-05-31T14:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&oldid=1231308509">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Given_name&oldid=1231308509</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Anthroponymy_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Anthroponymy articles">Template-Class Anthroponymy articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Anthroponymy_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Anthroponymy articles">NA-importance Anthroponymy articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 27 June 2024, at 16:57<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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