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The result of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_May_28#Template:Pedophilia" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 May 28">discussion</a></b> was "<b>no consensus</b>".</td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries","c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"],"text":"Removed entries","linkableTitle":"Removed entries"}--><h2 id="Removed_entries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z"></span>Removed entries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Removed entries"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries","c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries","timestamp":"2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removed_entries-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries","c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"],"text":"Removed entries","linkableTitle":"Removed entries"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries"></span>Although I believe the template cannot be kept stable and away from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> violations, I've removed a number of entries which are <i>not</i> associated with pedophilia in any credible way. Some of the scandals had evidence of child sexual abuse or accusations of pedophilia, but none of the accusations were credible. — <a href="/wiki/User:Arthur_Rubin" title="User:Arthur Rubin">Arthur Rubin</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arthur_Rubin" title="User talk:Arthur Rubin">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z","author":"Arthur Rubin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arthur_Rubin-2012-05-18T05:31:00.000Z-Removed_entries"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Hebephilia" title="Hebephilia"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"></span>Hebephilia</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ephebophilia" title="Ephebophilia">ephebophilia</a> should also be removed or categorized under a different name, as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_May_18&diff=prev&oldid=493358038">made clear in the deletion debate.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Removed_entries"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"],"text":"Articles listing the template","linkableTitle":"Articles listing the template"}--><h2 id="Articles_listing_the_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z"></span>Articles listing the template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Articles listing the template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template","timestamp":"2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Articles_listing_the_template-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"],"text":"Articles listing the template","linkableTitle":"Articles listing the template"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"></span>It would be best to ensure that the articles removed from the template also have the template removed from those articles; I took care of my removals, but.... 05:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Done my part. <a href="/wiki/User:Oct13" title="User:Oct13">Oct13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oct13" title="User talk:Oct13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z","author":"Oct13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T05:44:00.000Z-Articles_listing_the_template"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"],"text":"Nepiophilia link","linkableTitle":"Nepiophilia link"}--><h2 id="Nepiophilia_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Nepiophilia link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Nepiophilia link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z","timestamp":"2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nepiophilia_link-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"],"text":"Nepiophilia link","linkableTitle":"Nepiophilia link"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"></span>The template's link to <a href="/wiki/Nepiophilia" class="mw-redirect" title="Nepiophilia">Nepiophilia</a> has as it's target <a href="/wiki/Pedophilia#Etymology_and_definitions" title="Pedophilia">Pedophilia#Etymology and definitions</a>. Since we don't have more than a definition on this term, I'm wondering if having this linked item is the right thing. __<a href="/wiki/User:Meco" title="User:Meco">meco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meco" title="User talk:Meco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","author":"Meco","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link","replies":["c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z-Nepiophilia_link"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"></span>I was gonna make an article on nepiophilia but it redirects to pedophilia. <a href="/wiki/User:Oct13" title="User:Oct13">Oct13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oct13" title="User talk:Oct13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Oct13","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T08:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z"></span>Just made an article for <a href="/wiki/Nepiophilia_(Infantophilia)" class="mw-redirect" title="Nepiophilia (Infantophilia)">Nepiophilia (Infantophilia)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Oct13" title="User:Oct13">Oct13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oct13" title="User talk:Oct13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Oct13","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T14:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Just wondering, what's the name for attraction towards children under three? __<a href="/wiki/User:Meco" title="User:Meco">meco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meco" title="User talk:Meco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z","author":"Meco","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z-Oct13-2012-05-18T16:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z"></span>There is no need for a Nepiophilia article. It is a form of pedophilia, and there is not much to state about it on its own. That's why it redirected to the Pedophilia article and should be redirected back there. Further, nepiophilia is a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (meaning ages 0–3). If we're going to say it also refers to "children over the age of three," then where does the age bracket stop? We might as well say nepiophilia covers all of pedophilia. This is why we don't use sources like rightdiagnosis.com to define psychological topics such as this. We use high-quality, scholarly sources, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2012-05-19T16:20:00.000Z-Meco-2012-05-18T19:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups","c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"],"text":"Groups","linkableTitle":"Groups"}--><h2 id="Groups" data-mw-thread-id="h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z"></span>Groups<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Groups"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups","c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups","timestamp":"2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Groups-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups","c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"],"text":"Groups","linkableTitle":"Groups"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups"></span>I don't exactly disagree with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APedophilia&diff=514306351&oldid=514306147">this</a>, but if a list is to be included (at all) it should be reasonably complete in its coverage of the most notable associations that we have articles on, instead of a haphazard selection. Like I said in an edit summary, a single link to an overview article or perhaps a category link may be better. <a href="/wiki/User:Tijfo098" title="User:Tijfo098">Tijfo098</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tijfo098" title="User talk:Tijfo098">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:40:00.000Z-Groups"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"></span>Also, calling them "pedophile associations" was a bit of <a href="/wiki/Whitewashing" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Whitewashing">whitewashing</a>, but I suppose whoever added the line in the first place found a more descriptive name too long. <a href="/wiki/User:Tijfo098" title="User:Tijfo098">Tijfo098</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tijfo098" title="User talk:Tijfo098">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tijfo098-2012-09-24T12:51:00.000Z-Groups"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"],"text":"Chronophilias vs. paraphilias","linkableTitle":"Chronophilias vs. paraphilias"}--><h2 id="Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Chronophilia" title="Chronophilia">Chronophilias</a> vs. <a href="/wiki/Paraphilia" title="Paraphilia">paraphilias</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Chronophilias vs. paraphilias"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z","timestamp":"2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"],"text":"Chronophilias vs. paraphilias","linkableTitle":"Chronophilias vs. paraphilias"}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:James_Cantor" title="User:James Cantor"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"></span>James Cantor</a>, if I had seen you make <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pedophilia&diff=619319860&oldid=603867592">this edit</a> in July, I would have reverted back then; I reverted <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pedophilia&diff=624316546&oldid=624316202">today</a> (followup note <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pedophilia&diff=624328765&oldid=624316546">here</a>). </p><p>Like I stated in that edit summary, we've discussed this times before at different articles, including at the <a href="/wiki/Hebephilia" title="Hebephilia">Hebephilia</a> talk page: I consider the hebephilia age range (generally pubescents 11 to 14 years old) to be an atypical sexual preference, and that hebephiles need counseling regarding that sexual preference. In some countries or jurisdictions, however, age 14 is the <a href="/wiki/Age_of_consent" title="Age of consent">age of consent</a> and it's normal in some of those areas to find 14-year-olds sexually attractive (though the adult who takes a sexual interest in a 14-year-old might not be a hebephile, since hebephilia is more accurately about the primary or exclusive sexual attraction to that age group). You and some researchers you work with classify hebephilia as a paraphilia; like the Hebephilia article notes, many other researchers either disagree or are conflicted on the matter of classifying it as such. Therefore, the <a href="/wiki/DSM-5" title="DSM-5">DSM-5</a> rejected listing hebephilia as a paraphilia and mental disorder. </p><p>And <a href="/wiki/Ephebophilia" title="Ephebophilia">ephebophilia</a>? It has an age range that includes 15 to 19-year-olds (meaning legal adults as well); it is barely considered a paraphilia at all. As you know, I noted at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Karen_Franklin" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Franklin">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Franklin</a> that you at one point provided me with a source showing that to be the case. So why should we label ephebophilia a paraphilia, when it includes sexual attraction to post-pubescents and when mid-to-late teenagers, especially females, are often physically indistinguishable from early 20-somethings? A paraphilia, while not automatically a mental disorder, means (like the Paraphilia article notes) "intense <a href="/wiki/Sexual_arousal" title="Sexual arousal">sexual arousal</a> to atypical objects, situations, or individuals." How is it atypical sexual arousal if a man prefers sexual partners who are, for example, 18 to 19 years old? In the aforementioned edit you made, you stated, "The most common term (by far)." while trading out the word <i>chronophilia</i> for <i>paraphilia.</i> These terms are not automatically synonyms, and there is much stigma attached to the term <i>paraphilia</i>; you know that. While <a href="/wiki/John_Money" title="John Money">John Money</a> used the term <i>chronophilia</i> to refer paraphilias, many sexologists are more loose with the term; teleiophilia (erotic or sexual interest in adults), for example, is clearly not a paraphilia (well, unless it's a young person with a <a href="/wiki/Gerontophilia" title="Gerontophilia">primary or exclusive sexual attraction to elderly people</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias","replies":["c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z-Chronophilias_vs._paraphilias"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span>I am indifferent regarding what does/does-not constitute a paraphilia, as there is no objective way to decide (thus far). I made the change because the term "chronophilia" is virtually unheard of outside of Money's own writings. Perhaps the phrase 'associated sexual interests' would serve both purposes.<a href="/wiki/User:James_Cantor" title="User:James Cantor">— James Cantor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Cantor" title="User talk:James Cantor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z","author":"James Cantor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z","c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014 James Cantor"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z-Flyer22-2014-09-05T18:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't state that "<i>chronophilia</i> is virtually unheard outside of Money's own writings"; a search on <a href="/wiki/Google_Books" title="Google Books">Google Books</a> for the term, for example, shows that other researchers use the term. That's why I stated above that "many sexologists are more loose with the term." I perhaps should not have stated "many," however. I am fine with you changing the text to "associated sexual interests." <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:49:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"></span>We've also discussed what does/does not constitute a paraphilia, and I see it as quite easy to objectively label some things as a paraphilia (an atypical sexual interest). <a href="/wiki/Pedophilia" title="Pedophilia">Pedophilia</a> is one of those things, in my opinion, as I'm sure is not surprising to you. But, yeah, this is not the talk page to go into deep discussion about what does/does not constitute a paraphilia. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2014-09-06T00:59:00.000Z-James_Cantor-2014-09-06T00:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions","c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"],"text":"Recent additions","linkableTitle":"Recent additions"}--><h2 id="Recent_additions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z"></span>Recent additions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Pedophilia&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Recent additions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions","c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z","timestamp":"2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recent_additions-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions","c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"],"text":"Recent additions","linkableTitle":"Recent additions"}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Crzer07&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Crzer07 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions"></span>Crzer07</a>, regarding <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pedophilia&diff=811202476&oldid=811098818">this</a>, we are not including all of that. "Behavior and legal aspects" should actually be related to pedophilia. Keep in mind that, despite common usage of the term <i>pedophilia</i>, pedophilia is about adult sexual attraction to <b>prepubescent</b> children. <a href="/wiki/Jailbait_images" title="Jailbait images">Jailbait images</a>, for example, is not about actual pedophilia or pedophiles. <a href="/wiki/Child_marriage" title="Child marriage">Child marriage</a> is not much about pedophilia either; it commonly includes marriage between adults and teenagers. <a href="/wiki/Sexualization_in_child_beauty_pageants" title="Sexualization in child beauty pageants">Sexualization in child beauty pageants</a> is not really about pedophiles or pedophilia, although some adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children are drawn to child beauty pageants. <a href="/wiki/Child-on-child_sexual_abuse" title="Child-on-child sexual abuse">Child-on-child sexual abuse</a> is not really about pedophilia or pedophiles either (although child-on-child sexual abuse is commonly the result of a child having been sexually abused by an adult first). Yes, we include <a href="/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse" title="Child sexual abuse">child sexual abuse</a> on the template, but that's because some child sexual abusers are pedophiles and term <i>child sexual abuse</i> is often equated with pedophilia. Also, you were reverted at the <a href="/wiki/Lolicon" title="Lolicon">Lolicon</a> and <a href="/wiki/Shotacon" title="Shotacon">Shotacon</a> articles by <a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">TheFarix</a> and by <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a>. Being reverted at those articles does not mean that you should then come here to add those articles to the pedophilia template. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22 Reborn">Flyer22 Reborn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22 Reborn">talk</a>) 04:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22 Reborn">Flyer22 Reborn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22 Reborn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22 Reborn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:03:00.000Z-Recent_additions"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"></span>I did re-add <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pedophilia&diff=811202724&oldid=811202476">these additions</a>, but I haven't gotten around to considering your other additions. Since the Jailbait images article does mention debate about pedophilia terminology, it might be worth it to list that article on this template. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22 Reborn">Flyer22 Reborn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22 Reborn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 20 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22 Reborn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions","replies":["c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z-Recent_additions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z"></span>This definitely appears to be a case of casting the broadest net possible with the template on any article that might possibly be related to the topic, but no nessissarily8 about the topic. I've gone ahead and removed it from <a href="/wiki/Online_predator" title="Online predator">Online predator</a>, <a href="/wiki/Child-on-child_sexual_abuse" title="Child-on-child sexual abuse">Child-on-child sexual abuse</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_accommodation_syndrome" title="Child sexual abuse accommodation syndrome">Child sexual abuse accommodation syndrome</a> because these articles are not directly related to pedophilia. <a href="/wiki/COPINE_scale" title="COPINE scale">COPINE scale</a> is a bit more of a edge case because it is related to child pornography, but the article is not linked to on the template. Remember that <i>navigation templates are a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles in Wikipedia.</i> And as such, <i>every article that transcludes a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox so that the navigation is bidirectional.</i> —<b><a href="/wiki/User:TheFarix" title="User:TheFarix">Farix</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFarix" title="User talk:TheFarix">t</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheFarix" title="Special:Contributions/TheFarix">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z","author":"TheFarix","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Farix"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T04:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z"></span>I'm okay with the removal here per Farix. - <a href="/wiki/User:Knowledgekid87" title="User:Knowledgekid87">Knowledgekid87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Knowledgekid87" title="User talk:Knowledgekid87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z","author":"Knowledgekid87","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z-TheFarix-2017-11-20T12:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z"></span>Before TheFarix reverted some additions, I also reverted Crzer07 on a few additions of the template, such as at the Child marriage article. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22 Reborn">Flyer22 Reborn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22_Reborn" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22 Reborn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Pedophilia#c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Flyer22 Reborn","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22_Reborn-2017-11-20T20:35:00.000Z-Knowledgekid87-2017-11-20T14:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐f69cdc8f6‐5pr2z Cached time: 20241125020541 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.029 seconds CPU time usage: 0.254 seconds Real time usage: 0.348 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 701/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 32931/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 255/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 16/100 Expensive parser function count: 19/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 31425/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.141/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2475259/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 240.490 1 -total 90.51% 217.661 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 47.22% 113.556 1 Template:WikiProject_Psychology 9.43% 22.675 1 Template:Tfd_end 6.36% 15.284 1 Template:Tmbox 5.85% 14.079 1 Template:WikiProject_Sexology_and_sexuality 5.44% 13.073 1 Template:WikiProject_Sociology 4.95% 11.905 1 Template:WikiProject_Crime_and_Criminal_Biography 2.48% 5.954 2 Template:Date --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:35858168-0!dateformat=default and timestamp 20241125020541 and revision id 1234785920. 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