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ext-discussiontools-sourcemodetoolbar-enabled skin-vector-legacy mediawiki ltr sitedir-ltr mw-hide-empty-elt ns-15 ns-talk mw-editable page-Category_talk_NGC_objects rootpage-Category_talk_NGC_objects skin-vector action-view"><div id="mw-page-base" class="noprint"></div> <div id="mw-head-base" class="noprint"></div> <div id="content" class="mw-body" role="main"> <a id="top"></a> <div id="siteNotice"><!-- CentralNotice --></div> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">Category talk</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">NGC objects</span></h1> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body"> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">From Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository</div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="contentSub2"></div> <div id="jump-to-nav"></div> <a class="mw-jump-link" href="#mw-head">Jump to 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-2010_reorganization-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;2010 reorganization&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;2010 reorganization&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization"></span>At the moment, this category looks like just a bunch of subcats named <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_1023" title="Category:NGC 1023">Category:NGC 1023</a>, etc., that contain no information about the objects themselves. I've started trying to fix this by using the brief descriptions at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(1%E2%80%93999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (1–999)">wikipedia:List of NGC objects (1–999)</a> to put descriptions on the individual cat pages (see, for example, <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_1" title="Category:NGC 1">Category:NGC 1</a>), and categorize them into the correct <a href="/wiki/Category:Constellations" title="Category:Constellations">constellation categories</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:NGC_objects&amp;from=A">subcats</a> based on object type. </p><p>I've done <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_objects_1%E2%80%93999" title="Category:NGC objects 1–999">the first hundred objects</a> "by hand" (with the aid of a spreadsheet to semi-automate the process) to get a feel for the issues involved. I think I have it pretty much down at this point, and have prepared descriptions for objects 101–999 already. I just need to plunk them down in the respective category pages, preferably with the help of a bot. </p><p>But before I do that, I wanted to get other people's opinions of what's been done so far. Note that <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_Galaxies" title="Category:NGC Galaxies">Category:NGC Galaxies</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_objects_from_1_to_1000" title="Category:NGC objects from 1 to 1000">Category:NGC objects from 1 to 1000</a> are old cats that I'm replacing by <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_galaxies" title="Category:NGC galaxies">Category:NGC galaxies</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_objects_1%E2%80%93999" title="Category:NGC objects 1–999">Category:NGC objects 1–999</a>, respectively. (See also <a href="/wiki/Category:NGC_objects_by_number" title="Category:NGC objects by number">Category:NGC objects by number</a>.) </p><p>In particular, do you agree with pointing to the corresponding Wikipedia article even if it doesn't exist? Or should I point to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(1%E2%80%93999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (1–999)">lists at WP</a> for all of them? I think it should be one or the other, since we're not going to keep track of which ones do and don't have articles over at WP to keep this in sync. </p><p>Eventually, I'll be looking into a bot to do the rest of the work. I just wanted some feedback first. - <a href="/wiki/User:Dcljr" title="User:Dcljr">dcljr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dcljr" title="User talk:Dcljr"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:NGC_objects#c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z","author":"Dcljr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization","replies":["c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z-2010_reorganization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z"></span>Sounds like a good idea. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.66.200.95" title="Special:Contributions/76.66.200.95">76.66.200.95</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:NGC_objects#c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z","author":"76.66.200.95","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.66.200.95-2010-09-20T04:52:00.000Z-Dcljr-2010-09-19T23:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Which one? Pointing to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_10" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:NGC 10">individual</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_20" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:NGC 20">WP</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_30" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:NGC 30">articles</a> or the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(1%E2%80%93999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (1–999)">lists</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(1000%E2%80%931999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (1000–1999)">of</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(2000%E2%80%932999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (2000–2999)">NGC</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NGC_objects_(3000%E2%80%933999)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of NGC objects (3000–3999)">objects</a>?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐web.codfw.main‐78f4c97c5d‐5gg5l Cached time: 20241129012925 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.005 seconds CPU time usage: 0.015 seconds Real time usage: 0.024 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 3/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 0/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 0/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 2/100 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 0/5000000 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 0.000 1 -total --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key commonswiki:pcache:11539525:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241129012925 and revision id 44167110. 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