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Young</a></span> &emsp; &emsp; <span>Nov 19, 2024</span> </h4></div></div><figure class="m0 mt0_5"><img srcset="https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=100&amp;h=40&amp;fit=crop 100w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=320&amp;h=129&amp;fit=crop 320w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=480&amp;h=194&amp;fit=crop 480w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=640&amp;h=259&amp;fit=crop 640w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=750&amp;h=303&amp;fit=crop 750w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=850&amp;h=344&amp;fit=crop 850w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=1080&amp;h=437&amp;fit=crop 1080w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=1200&amp;h=486&amp;fit=crop 1200w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=1400&amp;h=567&amp;fit=crop 1400w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=1600&amp;h=648&amp;fit=crop 1600w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=1800&amp;h=729&amp;fit=crop 1800w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=2000&amp;h=810&amp;fit=crop 2000w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=2200&amp;h=891&amp;fit=crop 2200w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=2400&amp;h=972&amp;fit=crop 2400w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=2600&amp;h=1053&amp;fit=crop 2600w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=2800&amp;h=1134&amp;fit=crop 2800w, https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/post/image/16090/U_of_Hawaii_transfer_student-1732049633.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;w=3000&amp;h=1215&amp;fit=crop 3000w" alt="Want to Find Highly Engaged Students at 4-Year Colleges? 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And this year, at the age of 36, he's one of <a href="https://www.studentclearinghouse.org/news/college-transfer-enrollment-grew-by-5-3-in-the-fall-of-2023/#:~:text=Transfer%20enrollment%20represents%2013.2%20percent,lateral%20transfers%20grew%204.3%20percent." target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">13 percent of the nation's college students</a> who transferred institutions in fall of 2023.</p><figure class="figure-image no-caption third-left"><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hIFhwWIWyWhznJzFkpgJH" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow"><img src="https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/8737/spotify-1623260168.png?w=216&amp;h=72&amp;auto=compress,format&amp;fit=crop&amp;blur=10&amp;px=4" srcset="" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 90vw, 216px" alt="" title="" data-aspect-ratio="landscape3x1" data-image-fit="crop" data-image-pad="0" data-image-bg="fff" class="lazyload" 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1620w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/8736/apple-1623260071.png?w=1944&amp;h=648&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=crop 1944w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/8736/apple-1623260071.png?w=2160&amp;h=720&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=crop 2160w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/8736/apple-1623260071.png?w=3240&amp;h=1080&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=crop 3240w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/8736/apple-1623260071.png?w=4320&amp;h=1440&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=crop 4320w"></a></figure><p>He describes the shift from a two-year college to the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, which has about 20,000 students, as one of culture shock. </p><p>“It feels like Disneyland, in a sense — large buildings, lots of people, crowds, lines,” he says. And in the classroom, especially since much of his community college had been online during the pandemic, he worried about whether he would be prepared for the coursework: “It was feeling like I'm not smart enough — like that slight feeling of inadequacy.”</p><p>Lum arrived on campus excited to be there, and eager to dive into class assignments, join student clubs and get involved. To his surprise, though, many other students appear more disengaged.</p><figure class="figure-image third-left"><img src="https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=216&amp;h=162&amp;auto=compress,format&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0&amp;blur=10&amp;px=4" srcset="" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 90vw, 216px" alt="" title="" data-aspect-ratio="landscape4x3" data-image-fit="fill" data-image-pad="0" data-image-bg="fff" class="lazyload" data-srcset="https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=72&amp;h=54&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 72w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=81&amp;h=60&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 81w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=108&amp;h=81&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 108w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=162&amp;h=121&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 162w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=216&amp;h=162&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 216w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=288&amp;h=216&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 288w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=324&amp;h=243&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 324w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=360&amp;h=270&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 360w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=432&amp;h=324&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 432w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=486&amp;h=364&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 486w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=504&amp;h=378&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 504w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=540&amp;h=405&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 540w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=567&amp;h=425&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 567w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=648&amp;h=486&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 648w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=972&amp;h=729&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 972w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=1296&amp;h=972&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 1296w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=1620&amp;h=1215&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 1620w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=1944&amp;h=1458&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 1944w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=2160&amp;h=1620&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 2160w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=3240&amp;h=2430&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 3240w,https://edsurge.imgix.net/uploads/photo/image/9614/Tim_Lum_resized-1659537146.jpg?w=4320&amp;h=3240&amp;auto=compress%2Cformat&amp;fit=fill&amp;bg=fff&amp;pad=0 4320w"><figcaption>Tim Lum</figcaption></figure><p>“I've talked to a lot of other students who went the traditional or conventional path — that came to the university right after high school — and 99 percent of them, I feel like they don’t appreciate it, or they don't realize how many resources are available to them,” he says. </p><p>Research shows that he’s not alone — that often transfer students tend to be <a href="https://www.edsurge.com/news/2021-06-02-want-to-hire-an-innovative-college-graduate-choose-a-transfer-student" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">more motivated and engaged </a>than students who come to college straight from high school. And that might be more pronounced coming out of the pandemic, when professors around the country say students are <a href="https://www.edsurge.com/research/guides/attention-please-professors-battle-student-disengagement" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">more likely to skip classes or be watching TikTok or be preoccupied by other distractions during class</a>.</p><p>We first talked to Lum two years ago, back when he was in community college and adjusting to college life after years of working restaurant jobs and feeling directionless, as part of our <a href="https://www.edsurge.com/research/guides/second-acts-podcast-series" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Second Acts podcast series</a> about returning adult college students.</p><hr><p><em>Get EdSurge journalism delivered free to your inbox. <a href="https://www.edsurge.com/newsletters" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Sign up for our newsletters</a>.</em></p><hr><p>For this week’s EdSurge Podcast, we tell the story of Lum’s adjustment to university life, and also hear from a professor who has studied transfer students, Benjamin Selznick, an associate professor in the College of Business at James Madison University.</p><p>Listen to the episode on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hIFhwWIWyWhznJzFkpgJH" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/want-to-find-engaged-students-at-4-year-colleges-look/id972239500?i=1000677523966" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Apple Podcasts</a> or on the player below.</p><figure class="figure-iframe iframe iframe-landscape no-caption"><iframe src="https://embed.podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/want-to-find-engaged-students-at-4-year-colleges-look/id972239500?i=1000677523966" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe></figure></div></div><div class="row mb0 mt1_5 article-river-width"><div class="column small-12 section-break"></div></div><div class="row article-river-width"><div class="column p0 small-12"><div class="italic grey-5 medium sponsor-bottom-text"><p>Jeffrey R. 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