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data-mw-thread-id="h-Discuss_this_story-20241106083500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discuss_this_story-20241106083500"></span>Discuss this story<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discuss_this_story-20241106083500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suntooooth-20241106083500-Discuss_this_story"></span>Another aspect to consider when taking pictures of notable figures is that even if they're not notable <i>yet</i> (for example, a band that is just starting out), taking a picture now may be useful for the future if they <i>do</i> become notable - I took <a href="/wiki/File:Wigwam_at_Barry_Island_2018-06-16_(cropped).png" title="File:Wigwam at Barry Island 2018-06-16 (cropped).png">a photo</a> of <a href="/wiki/Wigwam_(Welsh_band)" title="Wigwam (Welsh band)">Wigwam</a> in 2018, when they hadn't released any music and before I'd even <i>thought</i> about editing Wikipedia, and now six years later they're notable and that's the only freely-licensed picture of them! <a href="/wiki/User:Suntooooth" title="User:Suntooooth">Suntooooth</a>, it/he (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suntooooth" title="User talk:Suntooooth">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Suntooooth" title="Special:Contributions/Suntooooth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Suntooooth-20241106083500-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suntooooth-20241106083500-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suntooooth-20241106083500-Discuss_this_story"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maplestrip-20241106141600-Discuss_this_story"></span>You hooked me in with beautiful pictures of nature (The Nada Lake picture genuinely reminds me of Ansel Adams' works; gorgeous!), and then you gut-punched me with the glaciers. Thank you so much for putting this together. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Maplestrip" title="User:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maplestrip" title="User talk:Maplestrip"><span style="color:#700090">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Maplestrip-20241106141600-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maplestrip-20241106141600-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maplestrip-20241106141600-Discuss_this_story"></span></li></ul> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ymblanter-20241106202000-Discuss_this_story"></span><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg/200px-Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg/300px-Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg/400px-Cuenca_Calle_Sim%C3%B3n_Bol%C3%ADvar_5-03_seen_from_the_west.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4000" data-file-height="6000"/></a><figcaption>The very last picture I uploaded (ten minutes ago), I did not add it to any Wikimedia project, but I am sure it is good for something, and someone will use it at some point.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>Thanks. A couple of comments. First, unfortunately many pictures on Commons are crap, so even decent quality pictures are in high demand. At some point, about five-six years ago, I discovered that I just do not have any useful images available to illustrate the Russian Wikivoyage article on <a href="/wiki/Roskilde" title="Roskilde">Roskilde</a>, a reasonably popular tourist destination, and I had to upload mine. Second, whereas the English Wikipedia articles often do not need new pictures, there are also other Wikimedia projects (including Wikivoyage, where tons of images are needed), and external reusers. I often see that users find my files on Commons, which I uploaded but did not add to any articles on any projects, and add themselves to the projects. I also find a lot of usage of my pictures at the external sites, including Forbes, USA Today, and Britannica.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Ymblanter-20241106202000-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ymblanter-20241106202000-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ymblanter-20241106202000-Discuss_this_story"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span>When I took photos of Chichibugahama, considered by some to be the best sunset spot in Japan, I assumed there would already be sunset photos of it, but there weren't any. It's surprising how many things have no photos. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Photos_of_Japan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Photos of Japan (page does not exist)">Photos of Japan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Photos_of_Japan" title="User talk:Photos of Japan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000-Ymblanter-20241106202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000-Ymblanter-20241106202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Photos_of_Japan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Photos of Japan (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Buidhe-20241109023400-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000"></span>Photos of Japan</a> It may be that non English speaking countries are underrepresented on Commons, but as far as I can tell we have no photos of <a href="/wiki/Sunrise,_Washington" class="mw-redirect" title="Sunrise, Washington">Sunrise, Washington</a> at sunrise either. (And it's closed until next summer, grr!) Thanks for your contributions. (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Buidhe" title="User talk:Buidhe">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Buidhe" title="Special:Contributions/Buidhe">c</a>) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Buidhe" title="User:Buidhe"><span style="color: black">buidhe</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Buidhe-20241109023400-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Buidhe-20241109023400-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Buidhe-20241109023400-Photos_of_Japan-20241107185000"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MKFI-20241108124200-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span>Besides places there are often surprisingly few pictures of mundane objects. Even many mobile phone models lack pictures. The problem is often worse for 1980s-early 2000s period. Museum imports can include older images and camera phones started to really become more commonplace later, but the period just before Wikipedia existed is often quite bare. Even if there are some pictures there could be more about different styles etc. Do you have a box of old junk in storage? Consider taking photos of it. Similarly while the really famous places may have a glut of images, a small stream near you or a bridge, park or similar you often go past may have none. Even if there is no article about the specific subject a photo might be welcome for larger "nature of ...", "economy of ..." or similar article. <a href="/wiki/User:MKFI" title="User:MKFI">MKFI</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MKFI" title="User talk:MKFI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-MKFI-20241108124200-Ymblanter-20241106202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MKFI-20241108124200-Ymblanter-20241106202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MKFI-20241108124200-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20241108221100-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span>Some thoughts from my experience in Paris working with a Wiki-photographer: <ul><li>Photographers like taking beautiful pictures, but most of our images will be displayed at 300px max, so "decent quality" (as <a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) notes) is often all I require as an article writer. The effort to get beautiful images often prevents getting any at all.</li> <li>Like <a href="/wiki/User:MKFI" title="User:MKFI">MKFI</a>, I am often looking for mundane objects like buses, bus stops, railways stations etc. At one point I mentioned to my photographer that I had met a blind photographer in Rio. She encountered him in Paris and took a photo of him, which I used in the article on <a href="/wiki/Blind_photography" title="Blind photography">blind photography</a>.</li> <li>I often deliberately use a different image to one that has already been used elsewhere so the readers don't keep seeing the same images if the follow the links. So multiple images of the same thing are welcome.</li> <li>Once the images are up on Commons, other editors will use them. In some cases they cropped group images to produce new ones of specific individuals.</li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Hawkeye7-20241108221100-Ymblanter-20241106202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20241108221100-Ymblanter-20241106202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20241108221100-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20241108223500-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span>Thank you for this article: it spurred me to upload some pictures of <a href="/wiki/Mungo_National_Park" title="Mungo National Park">Mungo National Park</a>. Although that already has some quite good pictures, I figured some more freely available, such the one to the right, couldn't hurt. <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Mungo_National_Park_(2024)_-_11.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg/220px-Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="293" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg/330px-Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg/440px-Mungo_National_Park_%282024%29_-_11.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3864" data-file-height="5152"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra"><i>Cremastra</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">u</a> — <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cremastra" title="Special:Contributions/Cremastra">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Cremastra-20241108223500-Ymblanter-20241106202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20241108223500-Ymblanter-20241106202000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20241108223500-Ymblanter-20241106202000"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jengod-20241109191500-Discuss_this_story"></span>Terrific article! I would also urge everyone to take pictures of the absolutely most mundane infrastructure and dull-normal stuff in your town. Like a functioning bridge would be too fancy. Stuff like: <ul><li>the post office</li> <li>the school(s)</li> <li>the city hall</li> <li>the records office</li> <li>the hospital</li> <li>the library</li> <li>the store</li> <li>the utility company</li> <li>the bus station</li> <li>the boarded-up derelict building</li> <li>the bike path</li> <li>the park</li> <li>the produce market</li> <li>the fish market</li> <li>the community center</li> <li>the public pool</li> <li>the historic-site plaque that stands in front of an empty field</li> <li>the cemetery</li></ul></li></ul> <p>To you it's very very boring, but we have uses for all these kinds of images and your photo may be clutch. Thank you in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Jengod" title="User:Jengod">jengod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jengod" title="User talk:Jengod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Jengod-20241109191500-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jengod-20241109191500-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jengod-20241109191500-Discuss_this_story"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241110115300-Discuss_this_story"></span>I used to think like that too. Except copyright paranoia on Commons made me loose interest; this days more of my (old) photos are deleted (due to no FoP) than what I am uploading, net-wise :( --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Piotrus-20241110115300-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241110115300-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241110115300-Discuss_this_story"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-20241111014300-Piotrus-20241110115300"></span>Do other big websites follow freedom of panorama? Is this something we should ignore aswell? We at nccommons.org would be happy to host this material. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Doc_James-20241111014300-Piotrus-20241110115300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-20241111014300-Piotrus-20241110115300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-20241111014300-Piotrus-20241110115300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotrus-20241111030500-Doc_James-20241111014300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> AFAIK only Wikimedia sites care about FOP. But as you likely know, we do (see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Precautionary_principle" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle">c:Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle</a>). I have talked to many people who find this very annoying and who stopped or limited contributing images to Commons because of that (myself included). Thank you for telling me about nccommons org; it would be nice if there was a system to automatically copy images from Commons there (although even that it could only work as a niche archive, as images hosted there could not be used on Wikimedia projects). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Piotrus" title="User:Piotrus">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Piotrus" title="User talk:Piotrus"><span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Piotrus-20241111030500-Doc_James-20241111014300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotrus-20241111030500-Doc_James-20241111014300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotrus-20241111030500-Doc_James-20241111014300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-20241111142000-Piotrus-20241111030500"></span>Plan to get a tool built to move images from Commons to NC Commons. AF WP has consensus to use NC Commons and we have a statement supported by legal regarding this for NC images.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CC_BY-NC_template_EDP_and_documentation">[1]</a></dd> <dd>Will look into openly licensed images that infringe upon FOP eventually. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Doc_James-20241111142000-Piotrus-20241111030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-20241111142000-Piotrus-20241111030500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-20241111142000-Piotrus-20241111030500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bri-20241111161400-Doc_James-20241111142000"></span>I learned this the hard way. At one point, I illustrated all the public art in a U.S. city by taking photographs over a period of time, then adding them to a new WP article in a carefully annotated table. It was only after doing all that, that I learned that Freedom of Panorama over public art is not a thing in the U.S., and I had to delete almost all of the images (one water fountain designed by a notable sculptor apparently was not copyrightable for arcane reasons). Kind of a painful lesson in IP law. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Bri-20241111161400-Doc_James-20241111142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bri-20241111161400-Doc_James-20241111142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bri-20241111161400-Doc_James-20241111142000"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hawkeye7-20241112002200-Doc_James-20241111142000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a>:</span> I did not know about nccommons.org. I may make use of it in future. <a href="/wiki/User:Hawkeye7" title="User:Hawkeye7"><span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7" title="User talk:Hawkeye7"><span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Hawkeye7-20241112002200-Doc_James-20241111142000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hawkeye7-20241112002200-Doc_James-20241111142000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hawkeye7-20241112002200-Doc_James-20241111142000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-20241112015700-Hawkeye7-20241112002200"></span>Yes certainly. Use your WP account to log in over there via OAuth and I will grant you privileges. The current 8.6 million media files are mostly medical but we are open to all NC and ND licensed content and would also be happy to host open material regardless of freedom of panorama.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://nccommons.org/wiki/Main_Page">[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Doc_James-20241112015700-Hawkeye7-20241112002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-20241112015700-Hawkeye7-20241112002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-20241112015700-Hawkeye7-20241112002200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400-Doc_James-20241112015700"></span>I know copyright reform tends to get pushed down the agenda, but it would be great to campaign for freedom of panorama in more places. It's surprisingly inconsistent between countries—even within Europe, the UK and Poland (for example) are fairly permissive but France and Italy very much are not. Which limits opportunities for photos from Wikimania 2026, though interestingly <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Com:FOP_Kenya" class="extiw" title="c:Com:FOP Kenya">Kenya seems to have very broad FoP</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400-Doc_James-20241112015700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400-Doc_James-20241112015700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400-Doc_James-20241112015700"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-20241113013500-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400"></span>Who is forcing us to comply with FOP? Does facebook or twitter? I doubt the requirement is coming from the WMF.<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-Doc_James-20241113013500-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-20241113013500-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-20241113013500-HJ_Mitchell-20241112153400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112154400-Piotrus-20241110115300"></span>I just wanted to say that this brings me joy and I wish more people would upload photos like these. You don't need to be a great photographer to upload useful photos—a smartphone is perfectly adequate, and "useful" doesn't necessarily mean that it will be immediately used in a Wikipedia article. It can be surprising where photos end up, or how a photo of something from today becomes useful in a few years' time when that thing looks completely different. <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ Mitchell</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery#c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112154400-Piotrus-20241110115300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112154400-Piotrus-20241110115300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-20241112154400-Piotrus-20241110115300"></span></li></ul>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery&oldid=1257063053">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery&oldid=1257063053</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 13 November 2024, at 01:35<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright"><span class="nowraplinks">This version of the page has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">revised</a>. 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