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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ramsès_Deux-20240525143800-Petite_erreur,_grande_fortune"></span>08 juin 2024 à 16:16:22 : <b>il est maintenant possible de clore la proposition.</b> En analysant 3 avis modélisés, le bot a estimé une décision <span style="color:green">d'acceptation</span>, sous réserve d'un sourçage certifié (100%). Pour notifier les participants : <code>{{Notif|Ramsès Deux|Loxyger|Bertrouf}}</code> <span id="ID_23293"></span> </p> <i><div style="margin: 1em;" class="resolved"><span style="border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #f9fcf9; margin-right: .5em; padding: 6px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Validée" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Proposition validée. </span>L’anecdote qui suit, proposée par <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Rams%C3%A8s_Deux" title="Utilisateur:Ramsès Deux">Ramsès Deux</a> le 2024-05-25 16:38:00, a été certifiée par <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Bertrouf" title="Utilisateur:Bertrouf">Bertrouf</a> au niveau d'une source directe et validée par <a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Loxyger" title="Utilisateur:Loxyger">Loxyger</a>. Elle va être déplacée sur la <a href="/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:LSVAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:LSVAP">page de préparation des publications</a>, pour être ensuite insérée automatiquement sur la page d’accueil :</div></i><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/Fichier:Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG/170px-Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG" decoding="async" width="170" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG/255px-Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG/340px-Pigment_Berliner_Blau.JPG 2x" data-file-width="4830" data-file-height="2553"/></a><figcaption>Bleu de Prusse.</figcaption></figure><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/Fichier:Carmine.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Carmine.JPG/170px-Carmine.JPG" decoding="async" width="170" height="170" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Carmine.JPG/255px-Carmine.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Carmine.JPG/340px-Carmine.JPG 2x" data-file-width="1172" data-file-height="1172"/></a><figcaption>Carmin de cochenille.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>Selon <a href="/wiki/Georg_Ernst_Stahl" title="Georg Ernst Stahl">Georg Ernst Stahl</a>, l'inventeur du <b><a href="/wiki/Bleu_de_Prusse" title="Bleu de Prusse">bleu de Prusse</a></b> <i>(photo du haut)</i> voulait <a href="/wiki/S%C3%A9rendipit%C3%A9" title="Sérendipité">en réalité</a> préparer un colorant rouge, le <a href="/wiki/Carmin" title="Carmin">carmin de cochenille</a> <i>(photo du bas)</i>.</li></ul> <div class="clear" style="clear:both;"></div><p><br/> </p><p>Proposant : <a 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/16px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/24px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Symbol_confirmed.svg/32px-Symbol_confirmed.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> La sérendipité dans la couleur, c'est assez rare. Le seul point qui m'embête c'est que cette anecdote est attribuée à <a href="/wiki/Georg_Ernst_Stahl" title="Georg Ernst Stahl">Georg Ernst Stahl</a>, est-ce qu'on peut vérifier s'il est le seul à considérer cette histoire comme véridique ? (au pire, il faudra l'ajouter dans la formulation.) <sub><a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Bertrouf" title="Utilisateur:Bertrouf">B<font color="black">ertr</font>ouf</a></sub> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Bleu_de_Prusse/LSV_23293#c-Bertrouf-20240530115500-Ramsès_Deux-20240525145900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">30 mai 2024 à 13:55 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bertrouf-20240530115500-Ramsès_Deux-20240525145900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bertrouf-20240530115500-Ramsès_Deux-20240525145900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ramsès_Deux-20240531085900-Bertrouf-20240530115500"></span>Il y a un point complet sur cette question dans cet article : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://acshist.scs.illinois.edu/bulletin_open_access/v33-2/v33-2%20p61-67.pdf">https://acshist.scs.illinois.edu/bulletin_open_access/v33-2/v33-2%20p61-67.pdf</a> Et je n'aurai aucun problème, si nécessaire, à ajouter la mention de Stahl dans le LSV.--<a href="/wiki/Utilisateur:Rams%C3%A8s_Deux" title="Utilisateur:Ramsès Deux">Ramsès Deux</a> (<a href="/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Rams%C3%A8s_Deux" title="Discussion utilisateur:Ramsès Deux">discuter</a>) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Bleu_de_Prusse/LSV_23293#c-Ramsès_Deux-20240531085900-Bertrouf-20240530115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">31 mai 2024 à 10:59 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ramsès_Deux-20240531085900-Bertrouf-20240530115500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">répondre</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ramsès_Deux-20240531085900-Bertrouf-20240530115500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bertrouf-20240603093600-Ramsès_Deux-20240531085900"></span>Merci pour ce lien, on y comprend bien que c'est une anecdote relatée dans un livre publiée 25 ans après la découverte. Et puis c'est aussi une bonne idée de mettre en avant M Stahl par la même occasion. 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