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vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Utseende</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">flytta till sidofältet</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">dölj</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">Från Wikipedia</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="sv" dir="ltr"><span data-mw-thread-id="h--2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h--2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span></span><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eldberg-2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span>Har noterat att artiklarna om Jizya och Dhimmi konsekvent använder förfluten tid om dessa företeelser. Man kan då få intrycket att de hör historien till, vilket inte är riktigt. De länder som i någon mening tillämpar sharia-lagar har också i allt större utsträckning återinfört dhimmi-systemet inklusive jizya-skatten. Det är alltså i högsta grad ett nutida fenomen. Se vidare Bat-Yeor "Islam and dhimmitude. Where civilizations collide" sid 223ff. <a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Eldberg" title="Användare:Eldberg">Eldberg</a> <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Jizya#c-Eldberg-2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19 april 2009 kl. 00.40 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eldberg-2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">svara</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eldberg-2009-04-18T22:40:00.000Z"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Taqqiyya_om_jizya?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?-20230522210400"><span id="Taqqiyya_om_jizya.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?-20230522210400"></span>Taqqiyya om jizya?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?-20230522210400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Jizya&action=edit&section=1" title="Redigera avsnitts källkod: Taqqiyya om jizya?"><span>redigera wikitext</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.234.107.116-20230522210400-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?"></span>Jag är lite fundersam över ordalydelsen. Artikeln anger att </p><p>”Vissa härskare kanske har använt det [Jizya] som påtryckning för att p konvertering till islam, eftersom Koranen uppmanar att inte med våld tvinga kristna och judar att konvertera (Koranen 9:5)” </p><p>Vid källgranskning av muslimernas egen svenska översättning läser man dock på http://heliga-koranen.se/koranen/surat/9/at-tawbah/: </p><p>[9:5] När de helgade månaderna gått till ända skall ni döda avgudadyrkarna, var ni än träffar på dem; tag dem till fånga och omringa dem och lägg er i försåt för dem. Men om de visar ånger och [villighet att] förrätta bönen och betala allmoseskatten, lämna dem då i fred - Gud är ständigt förlåtande, barmhärtig.” </p><p><br /> Är det verkligen helt friviligt att ge jizya om alternativet är att man annars mördas? Många avgudadyrkare/icke-muslimer kanske inte håller med. </p><p>Nu till frågan: kan det uppfattas som ett hatbrott och som rasism om man inte till 100% köper texten om jizya här på svenska Wikipedia? Man skulle nämligen kunna misstänka att den svenska wikipediaartikeln om jizya faktiskt är en form av taqqiyya. </p><p>(Se även de engelskspråkiga översättningarna här: https://quran.com/9/5?translations=18,85,84,21,20,19,101,22,17,95.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Bidrag/94.234.107.116" title="Special:Bidrag/94.234.107.116">94.234.107.116</a> <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Jizya#c-94.234.107.116-20230522210400-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22 maj 2023 kl. 23.04 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.234.107.116-20230522210400-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">svara</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.234.107.116-20230522210400-Taqqiyya_om_jizya?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tomastvivlaren-20230523124600-94.234.107.116-20230522210400"></span>Blev <a class="external text" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jizya&diff=52901776&oldid=50788108">denna redigering</a> till det bättre? Om några dagar kan vi ta bort texten som jag markerade "Källa behövs" om ingen bidragit med källor - löser det problemet? Se även <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya" class="extiw" title="en:Jizya">motsvarande enwiki-artikel</a> som har fler källor men också några "citation needed"-markerade formuleringar som vi inte bör översätta hit.<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Tomastvivlaren" title="Användare:Tomastvivlaren">Tomastvivlaren</a> (<a href="/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Tomastvivlaren" title="Användardiskussion:Tomastvivlaren">diskussion</a>) <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Jizya#c-Tomastvivlaren-20230523124600-94.234.107.116-20230522210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23 maj 2023 kl. 14.46 (CEST)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tomastvivlaren-20230523124600-94.234.107.116-20230522210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">svara</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tomastvivlaren-20230523124600-94.234.107.116-20230522210400"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Hämtad från ”<a dir="ltr" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Jizya&oldid=52905220">https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Jizya&oldid=52905220</a>”</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> Sidan redigerades senast den 23 maj 2023 kl. 13.50.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Wikipedias text är tillgänglig under licensen <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.sv">Creative Commons Erkännande-dela-lika 4.0 Unported</a>. 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