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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Narcisse_Snake_Dens_10.jpg/2px-Narcisse_Snake_Dens_10.jpg 1.5x" data-file-width="5184" data-file-height="3456"/></a></span></div><div class="signpost-article" style="padding: 0 2vw; max-width:80em; margin: 0 auto;"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248129851">.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2{line-height:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2-full{font-size:1em;font-family:sans-serif,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial}.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2-narrow{max-width:46em}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .wp-signpost-block-2{padding-left:2vw}}</style><div class="wp-signpost-block-2 wp-signpost-block-2-full"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arbitration_declined_in_case_with_much_private_evidence" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitration_declined_in_case_with_much_private_evidence-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitration_declined_in_case_with_much_private_evidence-signpost-article-title"></span>Arbitration declined in case with much private evidence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitration_declined_in_case_with_much_private_evidence-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>The opening statement in a new arbitration case request, titled <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1255690942#Covert_canvassing_and_proxying_in_the_Israel-Arab_conflict_topic_area" title="Special:PermanentLink/1255690942">"Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area"</a> read: </p> <dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">There is ongoing coordination of off-wiki editors for the purpose of promoting a pro-Palestinian POV, utilizing a discord group, as well as an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EEML" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EEML">EEML</a>-style mailing list <i>(Private Evidence A)</i>.</q></dd></dl> <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">A significant participant in the discord group, as well as the founder of the mailing list <i>(Private Evidence B)</i>, is a community banned editor <i>(Private Evidence C)</i>, who since being banned has engaged in the harassment and outing of Wikipedia editors <i>(Private Evidence D)</i>. This individual has substantial reach <i>(Private Evidence E)</i>, and their list appears to have been joined by a substantial number of editors, although I am only confident of the identify of three.</q></dd></dl> <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The Discord group was previously public, but has now transitioned to a private form in order to better hide their activities <i>(Private Evidence F)</i>. It is not compliant with policy, being used to organize non-ECP editors to make edits within the topic area, some of whom have now become extended-confirmed through these violations. In addition, it is used by the community-banned editor to make edit requests, edit requests that are acted upon <i>(Private Evidence G)</i>.</q></dd></dl> <p>There was much discussion by community members voicing concern of a public posting of wide-reaching allegations. Some of the discussion mitigated or accepted the alleged off-wiki coordination, and some did not. Comments included: </p> <dl><dd>Editor 1: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">another illustration that there are ugly undercurrents about conflicts involving the editing of articles on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.</q></dd> <dd>Editor 2: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">goalpost-moving ARBECR [<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Extended_confirmed_restriction" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">extended confirmed restriction</a>] enforcement creep... expanding ... into literally doxxing editors</q></dd> <dd>Editor 3: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">public aspersions based on secret denunciations</q></dd> <dd>Arb 1: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Decline this publicity stunt</q></dd> <dd>Arb 2: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">[The filer] shouldn't have just dumped a pile of private evidence in public. But I also don't see how we get out of dealing with the merits of this issue</q></dd></dl> <p>At our deadline, five out of 10 active arbitrators had voted to decline the public case, which effectively kills the request according to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Opening_arbitration_cases" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures">current procedures</a>. However, at approximately the same time as the consensus to decline this case emerged, arbs opened <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1257495560#Arbitration_motions_regarding_Palestine-Israel_articles" title="Special:PermanentLink/1257495560">new motions regarding Palestine-Israel articles</a>, "a case to examine the interaction of specific editors in the WP:PIA topic area ... Evidence from the related private matter, as alluded to in the Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area case request, will be examined prior to the start of the case, and resolved separately." </p><p>– <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Reactions_to_Foundation_legal_matter:_Open_letter_and_blackout_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reactions_to_Foundation_legal_matter:_Open_letter_and_blackout_proposal-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reactions_to_Foundation_legal_matter:_Open_letter_and_blackout_proposal-signpost-article-title"></span><span class="anchor" id="Open_letter"></span>Reactions to Foundation legal matter: Open letter and blackout proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reactions_to_Foundation_legal_matter:_Open_letter_and_blackout_proposal-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>A petition in the form of an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:2024_open_letter_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Wikipedia:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation">open letter</a> addressed to the Wikimedia Foundation has been created regarding the ongoing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-06/News and notes">lawsuit in India</a> (see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/In the media"><i>In the media</i> in this issue</a>). Its signatories are <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">profoundly concerned at the suggestion that the Foundation is considering disclosing identifying private information about volunteer editors to the Delhi High Court</q>. </p><p>The most signed petition in Wikimedia history before this was the 2020 <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming" class="extiw" title="meta:Community open letter on renaming">Community open letter on renaming</a>, which successfully asked the Wikimedia Foundation to refrain from renaming itself to "Wikipedia". That one reached 1015 signatures after running for months. This petition has crossed 1015 signatures in 10 days, making it the strongest community consensus statement yet. </p><p>Separately, a site blackout was proposed, then closed with 2:1 opposition: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout</a>. Some of the voters may have been persuaded by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout#Note_from_Jimbo" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2024 Wikipedia blackout">personal comments</a> from Wikipedia's co-founder <a href="/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales" title="User:Jimbo Wales">Jimbo Wales</a> who is privy to board discussions on the case, and said <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I am personally not worried and think that a protest is unwarranted.</q> – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">Br</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">Q</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="U4C_is_accepting_cases" data-mw-thread-id="h-U4C_is_accepting_cases-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-U4C_is_accepting_cases-signpost-article-title"></span>U4C is accepting cases<span data-mw-comment-end="h-U4C_is_accepting_cases-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>The U4C is now accepting cases. See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Cases" class="extiw" title="meta:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases">the relevant meta page</a> for more information. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CheckUser_and_COI_VRT_appointments" data-mw-thread-id="h-CheckUser_and_COI_VRT_appointments-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CheckUser_and_COI_VRT_appointments-signpost-article-title"></span>CheckUser and COI VRT appointments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CheckUser_and_COI_VRT_appointments-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p>Appointments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Conflict_of_interest_reports" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Conflict of interest reports">Conflict-of-interest volunteer response team</a> (COI VRT) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser" title="Wikipedia:CheckUser">CheckUser</a> privilege changes were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#CheckUser_and_conflict_of_interest_VRT_appointments,_November_2024" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard">announced</a> by the Arbitration Committee. <a href="/wiki/User:Spicy" title="User:Spicy">Spicy</a> was added as a CheckUser. The COI VRT includes, in addition to CheckUsers and Oversighters, the following administrators: <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">Robertsky</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Two_administrator_recalls,_one_RRFA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Two_administrator_recalls,_one_RRFA-signpost-article-title"><span id="Two_administrator_recalls.2C_one_RRFA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Two_administrator_recalls,_one_RRFA-signpost-article-title"></span>Two administrator recalls, one RRFA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Two_administrator_recalls,_one_RRFA-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall/Graham87" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Graham87">Wikipedia:Administrator_recall/Graham87</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall/Fastily" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Fastily">Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Fastily</a> were closed as successful. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RRFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RRFA">Re-request for adminship</a> (RRFA) remains an option for all recalled administrators, with lower thresholds than a regular RfA. As of our deadline, Graham87's RRFA is active. – <span style="font-size:85%;"><a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">B</a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Brief_notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Brief_notes-signpost-article-title"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Brief_notes-signpost-article-title"></span>Brief notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Brief_notes-signpost-article-title"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>Reminder to apply for Affcom and Ombuds Comm / Case Review committee. Applications for the Affiliations Committee close on November 18, and applications for the Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on December 2. See <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Legal/Committee_appointments" class="extiw" title="meta:Wikimedia Foundation/Legal/Committee appointments">meta:Wikimedia Foundation/Legal/Committee appointments</a> for details.</li> <li><b>New administrators</b>: <i>The Signpost</i> welcomes the English Wikipedia's newest administrators, <a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">Voorts</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Worm_That_Turned" title="User:Worm That Turned">Worm That Turned</a>. Voorts said he <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">had been planning an RfA before the election dates were announced</q>, running the first traditional RfA after the October AELECT trial.</li> <li><b>Arbitration committee election</b>: Questions may be asked of the candidates at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Questions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024/Questions">Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024/Questions</a>. Voting will open for eligible community members at 00:00 19 November. Up to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024#Vacant_seats" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024">nine vacancies</a> will be filled according to the election results.</li> <li><b>Articles for Improvement</b>: The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFI">Article for Improvement</a> is <a href="/wiki/Diurnality" title="Diurnality">Diurnality</a> (beginning 25 November). Please be bold in helping improve this article!<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Footnotes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Footnotes-Brief_notes"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Footnotes-Brief_notes"></span>Footnotes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Footnotes-Brief_notes"></span></h4></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns 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data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><span>In this issue</span></div><div class="signpost-inthisissue-toc"><span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/2024-11-18" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/2024-11-18">18 November 2024</a></span> <span class="signpost-comments-disclaimer">(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-11-18" title="Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2024-11-18">all comments</a>)<br/></span><li><b style="color: var(--color-base--hover, #404244)">News and notes</b> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/In the media">In the media</a> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent research">Recent research</a> </li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_from_the_WMF" 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To follow comments, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes&action=watch">add the page to your watchlist</a>.</span> If your comment has not appeared here, you can try <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page">purging the cache</span></a></span>.</div><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1240928998"><div class="nomobile"></div> <ul><li>I'm surprised that you announce that "CheckUser and COI VRT appointments" have been made but direct readers to go to a different page to find out what they were. This is not a huge amount of content, is there a reason you aren't just mentioning them here in this paragraph? Just curious. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes#c-Liz-20241118235100-Discuss_this_story" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241118235100-Discuss_this_story"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241118235100-Discuss_this_story"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bri-20241119002600-Liz-20241118235100"></span>Short answer: deadline. Longer answer: we need more <i>Signpost</i> writers and this was a hanging bullet linked to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC/N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC/N">AC/N</a> page until about an hour before publication. I figured something was better than nothing. Note that another section that nobody got to still contains a naked-and-afraid bare link to a meta page. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus"></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bri" title="User talk:Bri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes#c-Bri-20241119002600-Liz-20241118235100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bri-20241119002600-Liz-20241118235100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bri-20241119002600-Liz-20241118235100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241119005800-Bri-20241119002600"></span>Well, thanks for your quick response, <a href="/wiki/User:Bri" title="User:Bri">Bri</a>. To be honest, it looked to me that the page was published before the story was finished which is what happened. Just this week, I read on a user talk page that a newer editor was interested in writing for the Signpost, I should have stopped and provided a link to your suggestion page. 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