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<span>Toggle Vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Input" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Input"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>Input</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Input-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ridged_band" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ridged_band"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Ridged band</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Ridged_band-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_articles_up_for_review" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_articles_up_for_review"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>New articles up for review</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-New_articles_up_for_review-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Jayjg or Walabio check e-mail</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Jayjg, I don't understand your change!</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Genocide against Israelis in the form of Suicide Bombers</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-number_of_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#number_of_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>number of edits</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-number_of_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Autoreverts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Autoreverts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Autoreverts</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Autoreverts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rogue_admin?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rogue_admin?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Rogue admin?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Rogue_admin?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>"Who else speaks Ladino?"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Unfortunately Adam is not editing any historical-political articles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Apologies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Apologies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Apologies</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Apologies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_cleansing_Palestinian_Arab_population._Palestine's_five_neighbour_states_then.."" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_cleansing_Palestinian_Arab_population._Palestine's_five_neighbour_states_then..""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>"(Israel) in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then.."</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_cleansing_Palestinian_Arab_population._Palestine's_five_neighbour_states_then.."-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>You may be interested at this - Category:Terrorists</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Systemic_bias" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Systemic_bias"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Systemic bias</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Systemic_bias-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thank_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thank_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Thank you!</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Thank_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hasbara" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hasbara"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Hasbara</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Hasbara-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Questioning_Consensus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Questioning_Consensus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Questioning Consensus</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Questioning_Consensus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Getting_back_to_you" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Getting_back_to_you"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Getting back to you</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Getting_back_to_you-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Civility" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Civility"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Civility</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Civility-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>User:GeneralPatton suggests that HistoryBuffer be taken to Arbitration</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reverts_by_Alberuni" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reverts_by_Alberuni"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Reverts by Alberuni</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Reverts_by_Alberuni-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Aramaic language in Jerusalem Talmud</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-John_Zorn" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#John_Zorn"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>John Zorn</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-John_Zorn-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Terrorists" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Terrorists"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Terrorists</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Terrorists-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_assistance" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_assistance"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Request for assistance</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_for_assistance-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Messiah_"in_Christianity"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Messiah_"in_Christianity""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Messiah "in Christianity"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Messiah_"in_Christianity"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Protected"_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Protected"_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>"Protected" template</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Protected"_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Hey, thanks for voting for me</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Paragraph_on_your_User_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Paragraph_on_your_User_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Paragraph on your User page</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Paragraph_on_your_User_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>OK, now it's your turn to explain your reverts</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle OK, now it's your turn to explain your reverts subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Nasty_comments" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nasty_comments"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34.1</span> <span>Nasty comments</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Nasty_comments-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ten_Commandments_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ten_Commandments_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Ten Commandments article</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Ten_Commandments_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-State_terrorism_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#State_terrorism_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>State terrorism edits</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-State_terrorism_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Popular_Resistance_Movements" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Popular_Resistance_Movements"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Popular Resistance Movements</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Popular_Resistance_Movements-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Email" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Email"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Email</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Email-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_project?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_project?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>New project?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-New_project?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Refactoring_personal_remarks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Refactoring_personal_remarks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Refactoring personal remarks</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Refactoring_personal_remarks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"Jihadist"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"Jihadist""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>"Jihadist"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"Jihadist"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Nation of Islam anti-semitism</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-are_you_a_jew_or_what" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#are_you_a_jew_or_what"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>are you a jew or what</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-are_you_a_jew_or_what-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-just_wondering" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#just_wondering"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>just wondering</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-just_wondering-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rachel_Corrie" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rachel_Corrie"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Rachel Corrie</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-Rachel_Corrie-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Rachel Corrie subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Rachel_Corrie-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Circumcision_and_HIV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Circumcision_and_HIV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45.1</span> <span>Circumcision and HIV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Circumcision_and_HIV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Thanks</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Thanks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can't_get_involved_now" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can't_get_involved_now"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Can't get involved now</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Can't_get_involved_now-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict, Zionist Revisionism and Israeli-Palestinian history denial</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You're_welcome..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You're_welcome..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>You're welcome...</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-You're_welcome...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_comment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_comment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Request for comment</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Request_for_comment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Proteus_RFC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Proteus_RFC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Proteus RFC</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Proteus_RFC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Demographic_history_of_Kosovo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Demographic_history_of_Kosovo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Demographic history of Kosovo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Demographic_history_of_Kosovo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rant" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rant"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Rant</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Rant-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Put_messages_on_Talk_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Put_messages_on_Talk_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Put messages on Talk pages</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Put_messages_on_Talk_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Lots of tiny, overlapping articles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Numbers_and_references" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Numbers_and_references"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Numbers and references</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Numbers_and_references-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>Lots of editing on the various Jesus articles</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Obstetrics" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Obstetrics"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Obstetrics</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Obstetrics-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_VfD" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_VfD"> <div 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property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Interestingly"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Interestingly""><span id=".22Interestingly.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Interestingly""></span>"Interestingly"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Interestingly""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: "Interestingly""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I see that word all the time on Wikipedia -_- </p><p>I don't like the word in Wikipedia either. <a href="/wiki/User:WhisperToMe" title="User:WhisperToMe">WhisperToMe</a> 02:14, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="David_Irving_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-David_Irving_article"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-David_Irving_article"></span>David Irving article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-David_Irving_article"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: David Irving article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi, first I want to thank you for all the help copyediting that article, and yes, and right now I’ve already taken a look at talk.<a href="/wiki/User:GeneralPatton" title="User:GeneralPatton">GeneralPatton</a> 22:00, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OOP" data-mw-thread-id="h-OOP"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OOP"></span>OOP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OOP"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: OOP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please have a look at <a href="/wiki/Occupation_of_Palestine" class="mw-redirect" title="Occupation of Palestine">Occupation_of_Palestine</a> when you have a chance. I have had to revert changes made by HistoryBuffEr twice now. He has inserted massive POV into Ed Poor's revision, and he insists that doing so is "neutral". --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 04:58, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"><span id="Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion.2FViolence_against_Israelis"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"></span>Vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis">Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 09:31, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Input" data-mw-thread-id="h-Input-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Input-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"></span>Input<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Input-Vote:_Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Violence_against_Israelis"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Input"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Thanks for bringing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/IZAK" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK</a> to my attention. It seems that "HistoryBuffer etc" will stop at nothing to further his aims, including manipulation of well-meaning admins. Pity. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 03:07, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ridged_band" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ridged_band"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ridged_band"></span>Ridged band<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ridged_band"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Ridged band"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi, you stated: "(Actually, placing it there was poisoning the well, particularly in light of the wording. Either prove he committed medical fraud, or leave it where it belongs)"<br/>I suggest that you have it back to front. Is it not on the person who makes the original assertion where the burden of proof lies? How can someone look through a microscope at foreskin remnants from cadavers and decide <b>eureka</b> that he has discovered/confirmed/whatever a sexual function for a specific part of the item? If you do not understand the difference between Meissner's corpuscles and Vater-Pacini corpuscles then should you really be making comment re the crux of the argument in this case? I hereby therefore respectfully request that either you inform yourself of the issues around the circumcision debate (and therefore be able to make an informed contribution) or step back from involvement lest you inadvertently find yourself supporting POV from one side or the other in the mistaken belief that you are accurately promoting NPOV. - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 01:37, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>The issue here is not whether or not the ridged band has the characteristics claimed for it, but rather your implication that the research was fraudulent because the researcher is anti-circumcision. If this implication is, in fact, true, then state it outright, and bring evidence. If it is not true, then stop <a href="/wiki/Poisoning_the_well" title="Poisoning the well">poisoning the well</a> and move on. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> <ul><li>I note with sadness that you have taken a blade to a few of the articles. I am not sure that this sort of action serves any positive purpose at all as it invites others to make unannounced deletions as the spirit moves them. Again here you seem to have acted before you informed yourself. The issue with the CIRP web site is not in itself that it is obviously anti-circumcision but rather that it carefully selects material, places it on its web site often with inserted notes and text highlights to guide the reader to the "correct" understanding of the material. This is what makes those particular (altered) articles propaganda as opposed to pure "take it or leave it" information. What alternative is there to this? For someone to set up an alternative web site containing the same or other articles with yet more highlights and inserted notes to sell a different POV? What I am suggesting is that either all the material from CIRP that has been so "edited" will not be allowed on Wikipedia or a suitable disclaimer/warning is posted at every CIRP reference or cite. I would like you to give this some serious thought. Thanks - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 03:44, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>We've already discussed this, Robert, and I <i>have</i> given it some thought. Please re-read our discussion here: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Circumcision#Less_questionable_link_and_stats" title="Talk:Circumcision">Talk:Circumcision#Less_questionable_link_and_stats</a> . <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 03:48, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>With respect, no we did not discuss anything. You stated your case and I stated mine then you continued to ignore the fact that CIRP has articles there they have inserted notes and highlighted certain sections. I put it to you that this manipulation of other peoples articles coverts it to propaganda and therefore should not be allowed on Wikipedia. So let us please concentrate for a moment on this unacceptable practice of CIRP if you will. Do you find the use of such propagandised texts acceptable? A short answer will do. - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 17:18, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>While less than ideal, highlighting does not convert a scientific paper into propaganda. And if the notes are clearly editorial, and well distinguished from the original paper, then they do not automatically disqualify the paper from inclusion as well. Of course, this would have to be examined on a case by case basis. A better solution would be to find un-highlighted and un-noted version of the paper. That said, an even better solution would be for you to continue presenting the opposing position, using recognized and up-to-date medical studies, and to challenge unsupported anti-cicumcision claims; this is the most valuable contribution you have made so far. Unfortunately your combative and often insulting Talk: rhetoric, and your insistence on absurd disclaimers, has almost un-done your other good work. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 20:22, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>I will ignore the comment of a personal nature. I do however challenge you to produce a disclaimer that is not absurd. Are you game? - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 03:23, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In general no disclaimer is required for link in the article; if the article is factual, it is simply referenced, if not, it shouldn't be linked in the first place. In the External links section on the bottom classifying the websites as pro or anti circumcision is all that is necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 03:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>What wording would you suggest and how would you categorise the various sites? - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 15:57, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In the External links section Anti-circumcision sites should be noted as "Anti-Circumcision", and pro-circumcision sites should be noted as "Pro-circumcision". What more would one need? <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 16:40, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>So far so good, but you are avoiding the crucial question. What does one do about links which have inserted comment and hightlights from a third party so as to turn the piece into propaganda? - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 02:16, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Nothing. You call the site anticirc and let the readers decide for themselves. Otherwise you are trying to force wikipedia readers to think what <i>you</i> want them to about the site which is <i>exactly</i> what you are accusing cirp of doing.<a href="/wiki/User:Theresa_knott" title="User:Theresa knott">Theresa Knott</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theresa_knott" title="User talk:Theresa knott"> (The torn steak)</a> 05:43, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_articles_up_for_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_articles_up_for_review"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_articles_up_for_review"></span>New articles up for review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_articles_up_for_review"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: New articles up for review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please see the latest three articles in <i>pages up for review</i>, in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Judaism" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism">Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RK" title="User:RK">RK</a> 01:55, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail"></span>Jayjg or Walabio check e-mail<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jayjg_or_Walabio_check_e-mail"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Jayjg or Walabio check e-mail"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Walabio. I'm sorry I've been serving as an adhoc adviser and mediator for him. I wrote curretly and I apologize for the misundertanding. You may wan to consider archiving some of your talk its 66 kb long. You can do so by moving some or all of the page here <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/archive1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jayjg/archive1 (page does not exist)">User talk:Jayjg/archive1</a> or at another location of your choosing and adding a link on one of your user/talk pages. :) -<a href="/wiki/User:JCarriker" title="User:JCarriker">JCarriker</a> 14:29, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!"><span id="Jayjg.2C_I_don.27t_understand_your_change.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!"></span>Jayjg, I don't understand your change!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jayjg,_I_don't_understand_your_change!"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Jayjg, I don't understand your change!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>You changed the sentence to read, "*Many wear a <a href="/wiki/Kippah" title="Kippah">kippah</a> (Jewish head covering), prayer shawls and <a href="/wiki/Tzitzit" title="Tzitzit">tzitzit</a>." Many cannot wear a single kippah; many must wear many kipot. "Tzitzit" is already plural as is, of course, "prayer shawls." The sentence was correct as it was originally written. <a href="/wiki/User:Raina" title="User:Raina">Raina</a> 05:31, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Fixed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 05:34, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers"></span>Genocide against Israelis in the form of Suicide Bombers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Genocide_against_Israelis_in_the_form_of_Suicide_Bombers"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Genocide against Israelis in the form of Suicide Bombers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Looking for your support against User:Bsktcase on page <a href="/wiki/Genocides_in_history" title="Genocides in history">Genocides in history</a> regarding breach of genocide convention against Israelis. Please support the NPOV article posted and help keep it there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Evolver_of_Borg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Evolver of Borg (page does not exist)">User:Evolver of Borg</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="number_of_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_edits"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-number_of_edits"></span>number of edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-number_of_edits"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: number of edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg, --Here's how I check the number. You need a text editor with a line number feature (or you could use Excel). Click on your contributions: now click on one of the numbers of contributions above other than the default (e.g. "100"); your URL will now show <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=Jayjg&limit=100&offset=0">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=Jayjg&limit=100&offset=0</a> or something very similar. Now change the number from 100 to a number which you are sure is larger than your number of contributions. When the page finishes loading, copy and paste the entire thing into a text editor (or bring it into Excel). Turn on line numbers, and there you have it! I count 3054 for you. I'm yet to find an easier way. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:Antandrus" title="User:Antandrus">Antandrus</a> 15:03, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autoreverts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autoreverts"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autoreverts"></span>Autoreverts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autoreverts"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Autoreverts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>When you're using the magic sysop button to revert <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Holocaust&diff=6390858&oldid=6390461">something that isn't obvious vandalism</a>, you should probably leave an explanation on the talk page; the automatic summary (<i>Reverted edits by X to last version by Y</i>) can seem rude and dismissive otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:Mirv" title="User:Mirv">—No-One</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mirv" title="User talk:Mirv"> <i>Jones</i></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Mirv" title="Special:EmailUser/Mirv"><sup>(m)</sup></a> 22:36, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>You're right; I just get a little tired of Holocaust deniers trying to disguise their agendas. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 01:52, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rogue_admin?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rogue_admin?"><span id="Rogue_admin.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rogue_admin?"></span>Rogue admin?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rogue_admin?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Rogue admin?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Are you aware <a href="/wiki/User:Blankfaze" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Blankfaze">Blankfaze</a> has a put an "Alert" on his user page calling you a "rogue admin"? I don't know what happened between you two, but I can say I don't take Blankfaze too seriously myself. <a href="/wiki/User:VeryVerily" title="User:VeryVerily">Very</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:VeryVerily" title="User talk:VeryVerily"><span style="color:green;">Verily</span></a> 11:48, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Thanks VeryVerily. I wasn't aware of that. I'm not particularly concerned. Blankfaze was the strongest opponent of my becoming an admin in the first place, and he appears to be turning this into a vendetta against me now. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 01:51, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <ul><li>Nothing "happened" between the two of us; I just notice his POV-pushing and his misuses of admin powers and I want people to consider checking up on him from time to time. <a href="/wiki/User:Blankfaze" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Blankfaze">blankfaze</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blankfaze" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Blankfaze"><small>(беседа!)</small></a> 05:01, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Actually, blankfaze, something did "happen" between us; you very strongly opposed my adminship in the first place, and now appear to be trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. In any event, how and when have I misued my admin powers? In fact, exactly how many times since becoming admin have I used admin powers? <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 01:51, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Was reading the rather vibrant discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Neutrality" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Neutrality">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Neutrality</a> and one person said he was voting no because of his concern Neutrality would become a "rogue administrator" like yourself, whatever that means. Thought you should know in case you wanted to reply. Ave! <a href="/wiki/User:PedanticallySpeaking" title="User:PedanticallySpeaking">PedanticallySpeaking</a> 17:07, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Thanks for the update! Xed and Blankfaze have had a vendetta against me since my nomination for adminship (actually, Xed's preceded the nomination). However, it's an axiom that anything that Xed opposes, by definition, is good. :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 17:30, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd>Is that official policy yet? I guess systemic bias is good as well. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 14:39, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>It's not official policy, but it is certainly true. And you don't oppose systemic bias, you're just looking for a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism. Now why don't you go vandalize the <a href="/wiki/John_Kerry" title="John Kerry">John Kerry</a> article again? <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 17:16, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>"socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism." - I'm going to have that framed as proof of everything I have said about you. ---<a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 17:37, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Along that line, Jayjg, I thought you might want to know that <a href="/wiki/User:Alberuni" title="User:Alberuni">User:Alberuni</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quadell#Problems_with_an_administrator" title="User talk:Quadell">requested my assisstance</a> in dealing with you. I <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alberuni#Your_trouble_with_an_admin" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Alberuni">responded</a> as helpfully as I could. Salam. <a href="/wiki/User:Quadell" title="User:Quadell"></a> – <a href="/wiki/User:Quadell" title="User:Quadell"><b>Q</b>uadell</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quadell" title="User talk:Quadell">talk</a>) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Quadell/Request_for_assistance&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Quadell/Request for assistance (page does not exist)">help</a>)</sup>[[]] 20:30, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Who_else_speaks_Ladino?"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?""><span id=".22Who_else_speaks_Ladino.3F.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?""></span>"Who else speaks Ladino?"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Who_else_speaks_Ladino?""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: "Who else speaks Ladino?""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Probably this user had visited my userpage, without knowing I'm the exception to the rule. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Etz_Haim" title="User:Etz Haim">Etz Haim</a> 02:21, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Olve's right. I had completely forgoten about the small, now extinct, Ashkenazi community of Thessaloniki. <a href="/wiki/User:Etz_Haim" title="User:Etz Haim">Etz Haim</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles"></span>Unfortunately Adam is not editing any historical-political articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unfortunately_Adam_is_not_editing_any_historical-political_articles"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Unfortunately Adam is not editing any historical-political articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Thanks for your message. No, I will not be editing on any historical-political articles for now, for the reasons I have stated. The text is there for you or others to use if you want. <a href="/wiki/User:Adam_Carr" title="User:Adam Carr">Adam</a> 02:33, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apologies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apologies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apologies"></span>Apologies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apologies"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Apologies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>After already crossing your steps in the VfD of<a href="/wiki/Occupation_of_Palestine" class="mw-redirect" title="Occupation of Palestine">Occupation of Palestine</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:West_Bank" title="Talk:West Bank">Talk:West Bank</a>, now I was awakened by my watchlist at your edit of <a href="/wiki/Druze" title="Druze">Druze</a>, please see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Druze" title="Talk:Druze">Talk:Druze</a>. Please be assured that I'm genuinely interested in advancement of the articles in a friendly and NPOV spirit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pjacobi" title="User:Pjacobi">Pjacobi</a> 17:39, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I have no doubt whatsoever of that; I have responded at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Druze" title="Talk:Druze">Talk:Druze</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:42, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_cleansing_Palestinian_Arab_population._Palestine's_five_neighbour_states_then.."" data-mw-thread-id="h-"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_c"><span id=".22.28Israel.29_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan.2C_began_killing_and_ethnically_cleansing_Palestinian_Arab_population._Palestine.27s_five_neighbour_states_then...22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_c"></span>"(Israel) in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then.."<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"(Israel)_in_contravention_of_the_Partition_plan,_began_killing_and_ethnically_c"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: "(Israel) in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then..""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please see <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#The_war_for_Palestine" class="mw-redirect" title="History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict">History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict#The war for Palestine</a> where User:HistoryBuffer insists on inserting: that Israel "in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then attacked Israel."...When no-one but he says this, and refuses to accept anything else. He also insists on editing-away lots of NPOV's that don't suit him, take a look at <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=History_of_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict&action=history">[1]</a> please. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 08:36, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists"></span>You may be interested at this - Category:Terrorists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_may_be_interested_at_this_-_Category:Terrorists"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: You may be interested at this - Category:Terrorists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Someone offered to delete this category, because it is "inherently POV". I harshly disagree and voted to Keep. So far, the vote is 6-5 in favour of keep. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#.5B.5B:Category:Terrorists.5D.5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#.5B.5B:Category:Terrorists.5D.5D</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MathKnight" title="User:MathKnight">MathKnight</a> 12:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Systemic_bias" data-mw-thread-id="h-Systemic_bias"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Systemic_bias"></span>Systemic bias<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Systemic_bias"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Systemic bias"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">User:Xed</a> fears that our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bias" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Bias">systemic bias</a> project is little more than, in your words, "a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism". I can't readily determine the context. I would guess that you used that phrase to characterize how Xed is pitching the idea to others. Am I right? [[User:Poccil|<a href="/wiki/User:Poccil" title="User:Poccil">Peter O.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poccil" title="User talk:Poccil">Talk</a>)]] 18:12, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Just in: Xed told me that he disagrees with your statement. [[User:Poccil|<a href="/wiki/User:Poccil" title="User:Poccil">Peter O.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poccil" title="User talk:Poccil">Talk</a>)]] 18:29, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>While I strongly support the project itself, I also understand its history, and Xed's motivation for promoting it. It grew out of Xed's attacks on Jimbo and his attempts to minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks. Viewing the development of this project in context reveals much about Xed's motivations. Xed, of course, disagrees with my characteriztion of his motives, as is Xed's right. Xed also deliberately mischaracterizes my statements as being about the project itself, rather than about Xed's motivations, which is not Xed's right, but which is unsurprising knowing Xed. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:37, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>You're talking shit as usual. It grew out of my realisation that there's more on <a href="/wiki/Babylon_5" title="Babylon 5">Babylon 5</a> than <a href="/wiki/Congo_Civil_War" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Congo Civil War">Congo Civil War</a> - but that would anti-American to you! Where did I minimize the importance the importance of the 9/11 attacks? What does Jimbo have to do with <a href="/wiki/Babylon_5" title="Babylon 5">Babylon 5</a>? You are full of bizarre conspiracies --- <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 19:18, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Review your edit history. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:32, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Review your own, bullshitter. Exactly how is it "a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism"? --- <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 19:39, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b>"socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism"</b> to <b>"minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks"</b> - Show me the evidence, or withdraw your statements. --- <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 01:16, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p><p>Since you have refused to back-up your statements, after repeated requests, I have submitted the issue to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requests for mediation">Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 13:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you!"><span id="Thank_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you!"></span>Thank you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you!"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Thank you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I will never let you down! [[User:Neutrality|<a href="/wiki/User:Neutrality" title="User:Neutrality"><b>Neutrality</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neutrality" title="User talk:Neutrality">hopefully!</a>)]] 19:27, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>More importantly, I know you'll never let Wikipedia down. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:33, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>It seems we are both on Xed's "rogue admins" list—and I haven't blocked a single user or protected a single page yet! [[User:Neutrality|<a href="/wiki/User:Neutrality" title="User:Neutrality"><b>Neutrality</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neutrality" title="User talk:Neutrality">hopefully!</a>)]] 19:46, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>The evidence for the "rogueness" of the other admins listed there is equally "compelling". :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:49, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hasbara" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hasbara"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hasbara"></span>Hasbara<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hasbara"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Hasbara"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>What's the issue there? Just the anti-Israel/anti-Hasbara thing? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ambi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ambi (page does not exist)">Ambi</a> 06:29, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Well, initially Alberuni just created it as a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Propaganda" title="Propaganda">Propaganda</a>; that was the issue at the time. However, IZAK solved that by turning it into a worthwhile article, so the only current issue with it I still see is that Alberuni insists on including it in the [[Category:Propaganda]]. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 06:33, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>Please take a look at the number of edits Alberuni has reverted in the last 24 hours. It appears to exceed the three revert rule. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 05:14, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Questioning_Consensus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Questioning_Consensus"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Questioning_Consensus"></span>Questioning Consensus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Questioning_Consensus"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Questioning Consensus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I wanted to alert you to an error in your indentation/reply in the "Questioning Consensus" section of the <a href="/wiki/Occupation_of_Palestine" class="mw-redirect" title="Occupation of Palestine">Occupation of Palestine</a> article. I was going to fix it, but I decided it would be best to ask you to fix it since you are the author. At the end of that section, you indented your comments in reply to me, instead of HistoryBuffEr, and it looks like you are referring to my comments when in fact you are not. Would you mind fixing that? All you have to do is remove one indent or ":". Thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 06:39, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Done. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 06:41, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Getting_back_to_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Getting_back_to_you"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Getting_back_to_you"></span>Getting back to you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Getting_back_to_you"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Getting back to you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Sorry, but I've had very little time for the Wikimedia world recently. I just noticed that even having resolved the Tanakh chapters business, I never even got around to updating the article based on the resolution! In the immediate meantime, I just found out that a vote began on my WikiSource Proposal <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language_domain_proposal" class="extiw" title="wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language domain proposal">Wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language_domain_proposal</a>, so I'm going to take care of that first. I'll get back to the Israel-related articles as well, though.<a href="/wiki/User:Dovi" title="User:Dovi">Dovi</a> 11:00, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Civility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civility"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civility"></span>Civility<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civility"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Civility"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Jayjg hi. Stalking unconstructive users to pages in the main domain space is one thing. I do that myself. But answering Alberuni's reply on Benc's page was in my opinion out of line. Have some respect for Benc's judgement! Don't let Alberuni's rudeness cloud your vision (I know it's hard). </p><p>Just my 2c. <a href="/wiki/User:Gadykozma" title="User:Gadykozma">Gadykozma</a> 01:57, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration"></span>User:GeneralPatton suggests that HistoryBuffer be taken to Arbitration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:GeneralPatton_suggests_that_HistoryBuffer_be_taken_to_Arbitration"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: User:GeneralPatton suggests that HistoryBuffer be taken to Arbitration"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>From <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK#Opposing_Anti-Semitism_on_Wikipedia" title="User:IZAK">User:IZAK#Opposing Anti-Semitism on Wikipedia</a>: See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/IZAK" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK</a> </p><p><b>:Izak, from my own experience, I suggest you now take HistoryBuffEr straight to Arbitration, and demand he be banned from all articles concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You have a great and compelling body of evidence against him. <a href="/wiki/User:GeneralPatton" title="User:GeneralPatton">GeneralPatton</a> 19:36, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)</b> </p><p><b>Users are asked to please help set this in motion.</b> </p><p>Pathetically, HistoryBuffer is now antagonizing more people at <a href="/wiki/Holocaust_denial_examined" class="mw-redirect" title="Holocaust denial examined">Holocaust denial examined</a>, see the "history" of that page and the "revert wars" and other stuff at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Holocaust_denial_examined" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Holocaust denial examined">Talk:Holocaust denial examined</a> <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 02:25, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC): </p> <dl><dd><i>"This article contains an unsubstantiated assertion about the use of term "Zionist" by Holocaust deniers. The Zionist extremist and Palestine denier <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> keeps reverting any attempt to correct the false implication that anyone using the term "Zionist" is/could be a Holocaust denier, without supplying any evidence for the assertion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:HistoryBuffEr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:HistoryBuffEr (page does not exist)">HistoryBuffEr</a> 07:48, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)"</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverts_by_Alberuni" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverts_by_Alberuni"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverts_by_Alberuni"></span>Reverts by Alberuni<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverts_by_Alberuni"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Reverts by Alberuni"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Alberuni" title="User:Alberuni">User:Alberuni</a> has now exceeded the three-revert rule on <a href="/wiki/Hasbara" class="mw-redirect" title="Hasbara">Hasbara</a>. I can't tell exactly how many reverts he has done in the last 24 hours, but it's hovering somewhere around six. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 09:05, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud"></span><a href="/wiki/Aramaic_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Aramaic language">Aramaic language</a> in <a href="/wiki/Jerusalem_Talmud" title="Jerusalem Talmud">Jerusalem Talmud</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aramaic_language_in_Jerusalem_Talmud"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Aramaic language in Jerusalem Talmud"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is it your view that the amount of Western Aramaic in the Yerushalmi is comparable to the Babli? My copy of the Yerushalmi is definitely mainly in Hebrew -- and so is any other copy I have ever seen or studied. Looking forward to hearing your opinion... שבת שלום ! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Olve" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Olve">Olve</a> 21:27, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Hi Olve, I've responded on the <a href="/wiki/Jerusalem_Talmud" title="Jerusalem Talmud">Jerusalem Talmud</a> Talk: page. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 02:00, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="John_Zorn" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Zorn"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Zorn"></span>John Zorn<span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Zorn"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: John Zorn"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I don't really care either way on some of the ostensibly "famous" Jews, but John Zorn is, indeed, pretty famous, prossibly the most famous living <i>avant garde</i> jazz musician in the U.S., and emphatically Jewish: one of his groups is called Masada, he did an album called <i>Bar Kokhba</i>, and he has done some of the most interestingly contemporary reworkings of klezmer music, plus has systematically used material from other Jewish jazz and rock musicians, notably an entier album each of Serge Gainsbourg and also one of Mark Bolan. Again, I don't care if he's in or out, but I'd have picked him as a more emphatically Jewish voice in contemporary music than Gainsbourg. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 08:01, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Well, please feel free to add him back then. I'm a bit gun-shy about that list, ever since that anon kept adding Howard Stern. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 08:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Terrorists" data-mw-thread-id="h-Terrorists"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Terrorists"></span>Terrorists<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Terrorists"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Terrorists"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg, on the category VfD you wrote: </p> <ul><li><b>Keep</b>. Anyone who deliberately targets civilians for political purposes is a terrorist. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 16:08, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <p>Would include in that e.g. <a href="/wiki/Iyad_Allawi" class="mw-redirect" title="Iyad Allawi">Iyad Allawi</a> who recently told <a href="/wiki/Fallujah" title="Fallujah">Fallujah</a> that their city would be bombed unless they gave up <a href="/wiki/Zarqawi" class="mw-redirect" title="Zarqawi">Zarqawi</a> (who is almost certainly not in the city) ? When the city will be flattened soon, it will clearly be <a href="/wiki/Collective_punishment" title="Collective punishment">collective punishment</a> of civilians. What reasoning allows us to decide wether this is terrorism or not? I'm genuinely interested in your answer. <br/> I completely agree with you statement btw., and I think in almost all cases, there shouldn't be any problem as to the facts. However, I feel in practise it's a different story. - <a href="/wiki/User:Pir" title="User:Pir">pir</a> 13:06, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>It's a bit more complicated in that case; if you read the <a href="/wiki/Terrorism" title="Terrorism">terrorism</a> article you will note, under Definition: "Legitimacy. Some hold that a legitimate government cannot, by definition, commit terrorism on its own territory. In this view, a state can commit war crimes or crimes against humanity, but these actions are distinct from terrorism." This kind of act might well be a crime against humanity, depending on exactly what was done, but would not necessarily be terrorism. Was <a href="/wiki/Saddam_Hussein" title="Saddam Hussein">Saddam Hussein</a> a terrorist for targeting his own countrymen (say, the Marsh Arabs)? Was <a href="/wiki/Assad" class="mw-redirect" title="Assad">Assad</a> a terrorist for slaughtering the inhabitants of the Syrian town of <a href="/wiki/Hama_Massacre" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Hama Massacre">Hama</a>? I would argue that they were not terrorist for these acts, though they were criminals. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 17:56, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yes, that's a good point. However, your argument assumes that it is possible for a legitimate government or leader to use terroristic means - I would argue that a government or leader loses all legitimacy the moment they target civilians in an indiscriminate fashion. I don't know much about legalistic definitions of legitimacy and terrorism, so this is more from an ethical point of view. In addition there doesn't seem to be a good reason why terrorism and crimes against humanity exclude each other (for example, <a href="/wiki/Robert_Fisk" title="Robert Fisk">Robert Fisk</a> consistently calls the 9/11 terrorist attacks a "crime against humanity", which I think is much more in line with how they were perceived around the world). The distinguishing feature of terrorists is not whether they have already achieved or are still seeking a position of state power, but a particularly nihilistic ruthlessness towards civilians in the pursuit of their favourite political project. In my opinion "legitimate" governments should not be "immune" from the label of terrorism - after all the term comes from <a href="/wiki/Reign_of_Terror" title="Reign of Terror">Reign of Terror</a>, and it seems to me that what unites all terrorists - bin Laden, Hamas, Allawi, Stalin, <a href="/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_gang" class="mw-redirect" title="Baader-Meinhof gang">Baader-Meinhof gang</a> etc. - is the foul sentiment expressed by Robespierre as "<i>La terreur n'est autre chose que la justice prompte, sévère, inflexible." ("Terror is nothing other than prompt, severe, inflexible justice.")</i>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Pir" title="User:Pir">pir</a> 00:26, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_assistance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_assistance"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_assistance"></span>Request for assistance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_assistance"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Request for assistance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>What are you asking me to do? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 20:48, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC) </p><p>You say, "Please do whatever you think is reasonable and appropriate." I think that having little idea of the facts in the areas where you are disagreeing it is <i>not</i> "reasonable and appropriate" for me to edit the article. I'd suggest that you temporarily leave his edits stand (nothing so drastic that it will be appalling to leave it up there for a day), make your case point-by-point on the talk page, seek comment from others who've been involved in the article, including <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">Style</a> whom I can see you've already invited to discuss it there, and see if anyone else steps in and consensus can be reached. But all that you can do without me. Is there something concrete you want me to do? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 21:01, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC) </p><p>You say you want him (I'm paraphrasing) dealt with severely. What are you asking me do do? Put an announcement on my user page a la <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">User:Xed</a> calling him a rogue? If you want to raise complaints against him, there are channels for that. I don't see any emergency here, it's not like he's going all around Wikipedia damaging articles. The issue, presumably, ought to be how we ultimately get a good article on the topic, not whether his behavior annoys you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 21:13, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Messiah_"in_Christianity"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Messiah_"in_Christianity""><span id="Messiah_.22in_Christianity.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Messiah_"in_Christianity""></span>Messiah "in Christianity"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Messiah_"in_Christianity""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Messiah "in Christianity""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>A balance between the viewpoints is suggested. As most who identify themselves as Christians would take exception to someone claiming to be Messiah in the place of (or alongside with) Jesus and in light of your disagreement over this, I created a "marginal" viewpoints category. That is the acceptable term given to such groups in various almanacs and seemed appropriate given your inclination. Again, though, most Christians would take exception to the multiple messiah idea. </p> <dl><dd>"Marginal" is a POV description. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 20:55, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Solved the problem by deleting the part I suggested as "In Christianity" as this is effectively discussed in the "New Testament" section and instead of the "marginal" category I had originally elected (I do understand your reasoning, but disagree with it given the number of almanacs using the category), and titled it "Other Messiahs" which effectively describes the category without bias.--<a href="/wiki/User:Eleuthero" title="User:Eleuthero">eleuthero</a> 21:22, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Protected"_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Protected"_template"><span id=".22Protected.22_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Protected"_template"></span>"Protected" template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Protected"_template"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: "Protected" template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Did I forget to do that? My apologies—I was on a protecting drive (clearing out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection" title="Wikipedia:Requests for page protection">requests for page protection</a>. Which article was that? [[User:Neutrality|<a href="/wiki/User:Neutrality" title="User:Neutrality"><b>Neutrality</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neutrality" title="User talk:Neutrality">hopefully!</a>)]] 23:11, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC) </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me"><span id="Hey.2C_thanks_for_voting_for_me"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me"></span>Hey, thanks for voting for me<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hey,_thanks_for_voting_for_me"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Hey, thanks for voting for me"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I appreciate it mate :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 08:53, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Paragraph_on_your_User_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Paragraph_on_your_User_page"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Paragraph_on_your_User_page"></span>Paragraph on your User page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Paragraph_on_your_User_page"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Paragraph on your User page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Good to see you've not lost your sense of humor and are capable of self-parody. - <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 15:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts" data-mw-thread-id="h-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"><span id="OK.2C_now_it.27s_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"></span>OK, now it's your turn to explain your reverts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: OK, now it's your turn to explain your reverts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Jayjg, you kept reverting my additions to <a href="/wiki/1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon" class="mw-redirect" title="1982 Invasion of Lebanon">1982 Invasion of Lebanon</a> without explanation and then hypocritically complained that I didn't explain my counter-reverts in talk. So now I have. Now it's <i>your</i> turn. Kindly explain the reasoning behind each one of your reverts. If you cannot give understandable reasons for your reverts, then I can only conclude they were a POV tactic to waste my time and any further such reverts on that page (and perhaps others) will have to be ignored. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 17:06, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Hi style. I don't respond to threats. If you have any requests you wish to make of me, please do so. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 17:25, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Jayjg, perhaps you don't understand English. The above is not a threat. It's a request. </p><p>I'll state it more clearly: <b>Please explain why you reverted my changes to <a href="/wiki/1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon" class="mw-redirect" title="1982 Invasion of Lebanon">1982 Invasion of Lebanon</a> 4 times</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 17:57, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Unlike your 4 deliberate reverts, I reverted only 3 times. The issue wasn't clarity, it was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette" title="Wikipedia:Etiquette">Wikiquette</a>; "<i>If you cannot give understandable reasons for your reverts, then I can only conclude they were a POV tactic to waste my time and any further such reverts on that page (and perhaps others) will have to be ignored.</i>" is a threat. Also, I'm rather tired of people who believe they can ignore <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Wikipedia:Civility</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks" title="Wikipedia:No personal attacks">Wikipedia:No personal attacks</a>, and I'm not inclined to respond to any who do. "<i>Jayjg, perhaps you don't understand English.</i>" is a violation of both of those rules. If you have any civil requests you with to make of me, please do so. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:09, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>He asked <b>Please explain why you reverted my changes to <a href="/wiki/1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon" class="mw-redirect" title="1982 Invasion of Lebanon">1982 Invasion of Lebanon</a> 4 times</b>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 18:12, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>You're not style. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:15, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks, Xed. That's exactly right. <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 18:13, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Xed is not you. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:15, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>How many times do I have to ask you? <i><b>Please explain why you reverted my changes to <a href="/wiki/1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon" class="mw-redirect" title="1982 Invasion of Lebanon">1982 Invasion of Lebanon</a> 4 times</b></i>. Pretty please with pink ribbons on top! <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 18:16, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I can't do that, but I can certainly explain why I reverted your changes 3 times. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:17, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Ok, go ahead, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 18:19, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Actually, I'll have to wait until you explain your completely POV re-write of the article without any discussion whatsoever in Talk:, and you and Xed show some good faith by not continually reverting any edits I make, all of which are explained. As it is, there's little point in me getting involved on that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:33, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>So, in other words, you can't explain your 4 reverts even though you vociferously complained that I didn't explain my reverts. Why am I not surprised? <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 18:36, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Actually, I can explain my objections to your POV insertions, and why I reverted your POV insertions 3 times, but I'm not going to get further involved in that page until I see some good faith, as I have other places on Wikipedia where I can spend my time more profitably. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:29, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Nasty_comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nasty_comments-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nasty_comments-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"></span>Nasty comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nasty_comments-OK,_now_it's_your_turn_to_explain_your_reverts"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Nasty comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>See <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Style#My_condolences_on_your_headache" title="User talk:Style">User talk:Style#My condolences on your headache</a>: "He's the slimiest bastard AH on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Alberuni" title="User:Alberuni">Alberuni</a> 15:32, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)" </p><p>Yuck, what language. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 10:10, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ten_Commandments_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ten_Commandments_article"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ten_Commandments_article"></span>Ten Commandments article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ten_Commandments_article"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Ten Commandments article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg. Why did you revert my edits to a new section of <a href="/wiki/Ten_commandments" class="mw-redirect" title="Ten commandments">Ten commandments</a> without explanation? The new section that I repositioned and shortened was largely a badly written rehash of something covered in the "Introduction" (which I reworded as "Overview"). I have citations to back up everything I put in. ???? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fire_Star&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fire Star (page does not exist)">Fire Star</a> 18:50, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>You do? Wonderful, please propose the changes in Talk: first, providing citations, so people can respond, rather than making wholesale edits and then saying "justify why my changes shouldn't be there". Unfortunately, as it stands, you have reversed the <a href="/wiki/Burden_of_proof" class="mw-disambig" title="Burden of proof">burden of proof</a>, a common failing on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:04, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Actually, I didn't think conflating an ungrammatical paragraph with an earlier one which pretty much covered the same ground required proof as such. I don't have a big investment in the article, but I would like to see as much info there as possible. Sinai <i>is</i> called Horeb several times in the OT, for example. A while ago I listed a few of my sources on the "further reading" list of the article. The talk page didn't seem active, your reversions weren't mentioned on the talk page, either. So, my main questions for you are: </p><p>1. Which of my edits do you object to? </p><p>2. Why do you object to them? </p><p>Please know that I am not angry or hostile, but mostly curious. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fire_Star&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fire Star (page does not exist)">Fire Star</a> 19:16, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I've already raised some of the issues in the Talk: page already. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 19:19, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="State_terrorism_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-State_terrorism_edits"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-State_terrorism_edits"></span><a href="/wiki/State_terrorism" title="State terrorism">State terrorism</a> edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-State_terrorism_edits"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: State terrorism edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi there, Jayjg. I dumped one section of the <a href="/wiki/State_terrorism" title="State terrorism">State terrorism</a> article, because it was unsalveable, and gave a detailed explanation why in 'Talk'. It should be re-written, maybe, but it was just ridiculous in its current form. Anyways, take a look and make any edits necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Terrapin" title="User:Terrapin">Terrapin</a> 19:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Popular_Resistance_Movements" data-mw-thread-id="h-Popular_Resistance_Movements"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Popular_Resistance_Movements"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Popular_Resistance_Movements&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Popular Resistance Movements (page does not exist)">Popular Resistance Movements</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Popular_Resistance_Movements"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Popular Resistance Movements"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Stop removing my references to <a href="/wiki/Rachel_Corrie" title="Rachel Corrie">Rachel Corrie</a>. Regardless of whether you think the killing of Rachel Corrie was accidental, there was a vastly different reaction to this killing of an American in Gaza. FBI agents were sent to investigate the killing of the US diplomats, but FBI agents were not even sent to determine in Corrie's death was an accident or not. Given that so many eyewitnesses thought it was a murder, you'd have thought the Americans would want to check for yourselves. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:80.3.160.4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:80.3.160.4 (page does not exist)">80.3.160.4</a> 19:34, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Regarding Corrie, as I said on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Popular_Resistance_Committees" title="Talk:Popular Resistance Committees">Talk:Popular Resistance Committees</a> page, read the article for details of why it happened, but a terrorist group blowing up a diplomatic convoy accompanied by military support is nothing like an American activist getting run over after playing cat and mouse for an extended period of time with a bulldozer. NPOV doesn't mean including information not relevant to the page in order to make the "other side" look bad too. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 21:02, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Email" data-mw-thread-id="h-Email"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Email"></span>Email<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Email"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Email"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg, </p><p>Please send emails to to josiahXXXkaraiticaZZZcom instead of yoshiahXXXancient-pathsZZZnet (XXX = at, ZZZ = dot). I have not figured out how to rectify a problem with some of that server's email software at the time.--<a href="/wiki/User:Yoshiah_ap" title="User:Yoshiah ap">Josiah</a> 02:25, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_project?" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_project?"><span id="New_project.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_project?"></span>New project?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_project?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: New project?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Aloha. I think that there needs to be a interdisciplinary project that focuses on promoting accuracy in Near East issues and articles. Also, it would be interesting if you could come up with some guidelines for countering bias, as well as a list of reputable sources that can be accessed for reference purposes. That way, disputed reverts can cite source material, which will give those with an opposite POV the ability to compare the credibility of citations. I'm just thinking off the top of my head, here. What do you think? --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 10:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I'm not Jay, but I think that would be a great idea. But this type of project might need some "Moderators". If that's too happen, an equal amount users with Pro-Israel & Pro-Palestine biases would be needed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yoshiah_ap" title="User:Yoshiah ap">Josiah</a> 15:14, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Refactoring_personal_remarks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Refactoring_personal_remarks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Refactoring_personal_remarks"></span>Refactoring personal remarks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Refactoring_personal_remarks"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Refactoring personal remarks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Since Style removed his/her personal remarks from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:1982 Invasion of Lebanon (page does not exist)">Talk:1982 Invasion of Lebanon#Discussion</a>, I took the liberty of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:1982_Invasion_of_Lebanon&diff=6753312&oldid=6753259">refactoring out</a> some of yours. Revert me if you think that was inappropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Mirv" title="User:Mirv">—No-One</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mirv" title="User talk:Mirv"> <i>Jones</i></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Mirv" title="Special:EmailUser/Mirv"><sup>(m)</sup></a> 16:34, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Thanks, I've refactored some of your now out of place comments as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 18:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Jihadist"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Jihadist""><span id=".22Jihadist.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Jihadist""></span>"Jihadist"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Jihadist""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: "Jihadist""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>You're right, you didn't use the term, and I apologize for any implication that you did. If you re-read the sequence, though, I believe you can see where I would have gotten the misimpression that you were implicitly endorsing it. </p><p>Yes, Alberuni is a pain in the ass. It is really two bad we don't have someone working on the article with roughly his POV and a better demeanor, because he makes many valid points, but he gets everyone's hackles up so much that everyone ends up arguing about the rhetoric on the talk page rather than about what the article should say and why. And it doesn't help one iota when people like Josiah choose to match his tone rather than merely criticize it. (Not that I've never been guilty of something similar.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 02:01, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>When he makes good edits, they are indeed good. That's why I've really tried to work with him, as opposed to the various other anti-Israel editors on these articles, who have nothing of value to add (or in one case are simply there to troll). I really wish we had Zero0000 back; even though he and I often disagreed, at least he actually knew something about the history of the region and conflict (as opposed to those who just read some anti-Israel website polemics, or an anti-Israel polemical book by Fisk, and imagine that they now know "THE TRUTH" (tm)), and he also knew what NPOV was. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 02:11, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism"></span>Nation of Islam anti-semitism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Nation of Islam anti-semitism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please consider adding the <a href="/wiki/Nation_of_Islam_anti-semitism" class="mw-redirect" title="Nation of Islam anti-semitism">Nation of Islam anti-semitism</a> article to your list of <i>Articles currently under attack</i>. See the history for further info. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 22:49, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="are_you_a_jew_or_what" data-mw-thread-id="h-are_you_a_jew_or_what"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-are_you_a_jew_or_what"></span>are you a jew or what<span data-mw-comment-end="h-are_you_a_jew_or_what"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: are you a jew or what"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>ARE YOU AJEW ID REALLY LIKE 2 KNOW --<a href="/wiki/User:Carpetrocks" title="User:Carpetrocks">Carpetrocks</a> 03:31, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="just_wondering" data-mw-thread-id="h-just_wondering"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-just_wondering"></span>just wondering<span data-mw-comment-end="h-just_wondering"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: just wondering"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>just wondering <a href="/wiki/User:Carpetrocks" title="User:Carpetrocks">Carpetrocks</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rachel_Corrie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rachel_Corrie"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rachel_Corrie"></span><a href="/wiki/Rachel_Corrie" title="Rachel Corrie">Rachel Corrie</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rachel_Corrie"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Rachel Corrie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Why did you replace the text of <a href="/wiki/Rachel_Corrie" title="Rachel Corrie">Rachel Corrie</a> with the complete text of <a href="/wiki/Operation_Days_of_Penitence" class="mw-redirect" title="Operation Days of Penitence">Operation Days of Penitence</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Whosyourjudas" title="User:Whosyourjudas">Whosyourjudas</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whosyourjudas" title="User talk:Whosyourjudas">(talk)</a> 04:43, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>Alright. I was really wondering for a second there. --<a href="/wiki/User:Whosyourjudas" title="User:Whosyourjudas">Whosyourjudas</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whosyourjudas" title="User talk:Whosyourjudas">(talk)</a> 04:48, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Please note that Wikipedia policy only allows a user to revert an article 3 times in one 24 hour period. <a href="/wiki/User:RickK" title="User:RickK">Rick</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:RickK" title="User talk:RickK">K</a> 04:52, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Circumcision_and_HIV" data-mw-thread-id="h-Circumcision_and_HIV-Rachel_Corrie"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Circumcision_and_HIV-Rachel_Corrie"></span>Circumcision and HIV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Circumcision_and_HIV-Rachel_Corrie"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Circumcision and HIV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Greetings, I request that you peruse the section in the <a href="/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision" class="mw-redirect" title="Medical analysis of circumcision">Medical analysis of circumcision</a> article and assist to refine the article to an acceptable NPOV level. Many thanks. - <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_the_Bruce" title="User:Robert the Bruce">Robert the Bruce</a> 09:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>FYI, this was covered in <a href="/wiki/The_Lancet" title="The Lancet">The Lancet</a> a couple of months ago. Please email on User_talk me if you need the full reference. <a href="/wiki/User:Jfdwolff" title="User:Jfdwolff">JFW</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jfdwolff" title="User talk:Jfdwolff"><small>T@lk</small></a> 12:44, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks"></span>Thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Thanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Thank you very much for your vote for my adminship. I greatly appreciate your support. <a href="/wiki/User:Ffirehorse" title="User:Ffirehorse">ffirehorse</a> 00:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can't_get_involved_now" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can't_get_involved_now"><span id="Can.27t_get_involved_now"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can't_get_involved_now"></span>Can't get involved now<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can't_get_involved_now"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Can't get involved now"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg, sorry I won't be able to get involved right now. I've decided to do some work in the real world and stay away from Wikipedia for a couple of months (I'm really busy writing up my PhD thesis which I need to finish by the end of the year). I think the only way to solve all these edit wars will be for both sides to agree to disagree, accept that at Wikipedia the respective versions of <i>The Truth</i> can only be described as views, and tolerate fair descriptions of the conflicting views in the articles in questions. All those editors who reject this kind of tolerance should be banned from editing the articles in question. - <a href="/wiki/User:Pir" title="User:Pir">pir</a> 16:08, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Pa"><span id="Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict.2C_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Pa"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict (page does not exist)">Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict</a>, <a href="/wiki/Zionist_Revisionism" class="mw-redirect" title="Zionist Revisionism">Zionist Revisionism</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli-Palestinian history denial (page does not exist)">Israeli-Palestinian history denial</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict,_Zionist_Revisionism_and_Israeli-Pa"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu/Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict, Zionist Revisionism and Israeli-Palestinian history denial"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><small><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=purge">To purge your page to see what others have added, click here</a></small> </p><p>What we have here is a very complicated situation. There appears to have been a copy and paste move done between <a href="/wiki/Zionist_Revisionism" class="mw-redirect" title="Zionist Revisionism">Zionist Revisionism</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict (page does not exist)">Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict</a>. I am quite happy to merge the two and setup a redirect, however because Zionist Revisionism is on VfD at the moment I don't want to do anything like this right at this moment. Also, it is further complicated by the fact that there is <i>another</i> article called <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli-Palestinian history denial (page does not exist)">Israeli-Palestinian history denial</a>, that's almost exactly the same as the other two. I'm sending a message to all participants so far, requesting their comments on what they think we should do. My own preference is to merge into a more appropriately named article, something like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Historical_perspectives_of_Israelis_and_Palestinians&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Historical perspectives of Israelis and Palestinians (page does not exist)">Historical perspectives of Israelis and Palestinians</a> (as that's what this is all about), but I'm flexible. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 12:16, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <ul><li>Hi Ta bu shi da yu, Zionist Revisionism was the original article. I had moved it to Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict in an attempt to NPOV it, but Alberuni undid the changes and the move, without redirecting the other article. I have since redirected the 2nd article to another page.--<a href="/wiki/User:Yoshiah_ap" title="User:Yoshiah ap">Josiah</a> 19:35, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <ul><li>Good idea, or you could just merge all three into <a href="/w/index.php?title=Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict (page does not exist)">Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict</a>. As long as you merge information rather than deleting it, as some have a habit of doing. Don't worry about the VfD entry for <a href="/wiki/Zionist_Revisionism" class="mw-redirect" title="Zionist Revisionism">Zionist Revisionism</a>; it is invalid. Josiah has, yet again, failed to provide valid reasons for the listing. <a href="/wiki/User:Style" title="User:Style">--style</a> 13:01, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC) <ul><li>Yet again? You obviously don't watch anything I actually do, as 1) That was the first page I had ever put up for deletion - the fact that I had done it wrong should be proof of that, and 2) I and others listed perfectly good reason on the VfD page.--<a href="/wiki/User:Yoshiah_ap" title="User:Yoshiah ap">Josiah</a> 19:35, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li> <li>I would avoid POV titles that are bound to be challenged. As for the VfD entry, it is perfectly valid to list the article for VfD, and the entry will be dealt with via the usual VfD process. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 15:18, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></li> <li>I would suggest not to use the word "revisionism" in the title at all. It it nothing but an allusion to historical revisionism (a.k.a. Holocaust denial). Since none of the holders of these views on either side consider their views "revisionism", it would be better if the title did not contain this word. Finally, the potential for confusion with te unrelated <a href="/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism" title="Revisionist Zionism">Revisionist Zionism</a> is enormous. More seriously, I also cannot see how any such page would contain anything but POV fights. Is that really what we need? Does it make sense to keep a list of historical points were Alberuni disagrees with Jayjg? Is that encyclopedic? <a href="/wiki/User:Gadykozma" title="User:Gadykozma">Gadykozma</a> 03:14, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) <ul><li>You have neatly summarized exactly what is wrong with the word "Revisionism", thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 03:21, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <hr/> <ul><li>OK, I have merged most of the information in the article <a href="/wiki/Zionist_Revisionism" class="mw-redirect" title="Zionist Revisionism">Zionist Revisionism</a> into the article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli-Palestinian history denial (page does not exist)">Israeli-Palestinian history denial</a>. I have not attempted to NPOV it, I just merged it. Please feel free to NPOV the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli-Palestinian history denial (page does not exist)">Israeli-Palestinian history denial</a> article. Please do not think I am endorsing the views of either side. I'm not. I'm just trying to sort out merging of articles. I would next like to merge page histories, if that's OK with people. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 07:53, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <ul><li>I have now merged the edit histories of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli-Palestinian_history_denial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli-Palestinian history denial (page does not exist)">Israeli-Palestinian history denial</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Revisionism_in_the_Israel-Palestine_Conflict&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict (page does not exist)">Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict</a>. At least this bit is sorted out now. If someone wants a better title, please use the move tool in future! - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 08:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus"><span id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment.2FProteus"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Proteus (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Proteus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Thanks for the heads up, but I've already replied (RfC is on my watch list). As I've said there, there isn't a case to answer, so I'm not worried by it in the slightest. He seems to want me to threaten me into unprotecting the articles, but he's just wasting his time. <a href="/wiki/User:Proteus" title="User:Proteus">Proteus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proteus" title="User talk:Proteus">(Talk)</a> 21:34, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You're_welcome..." data-mw-thread-id="h-You're_welcome..."><span id="You.27re_welcome..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You're_welcome..."></span>You're welcome...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You're_welcome..."></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: You're welcome..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>(copied from my user talk page - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 22:27, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC))<br/> I appreciate your efforts in trying to remain neutral and bring some calm and sanity to the current wars over the Israeli-Palestinian articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 20:56, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)<br/> (end copied text) </p><p>You're welcome; it's been really hard because in the last week or so I've been embroiled in similar messes with reference to Romanian history and Basque nationalism, and only a little less so over Chile 1970-'73. So many separate things that except for the few really egregious miscreants or the people I've worked with a long time and learned to trust, I have trouble even keeping track of who's who. </p><p>My plea to you and others -- and I realize you've been pretty consistently positive in your approach -- is that people try to get all facts and all relevant, responsible points of view into the article, even opinions they disagree with and inconvenient facts, and try to keep the narrative voice of the article neutral. An illustration of what I mean is the work I did at <a href="/wiki/Post-September_11_anti-war_movement" class="mw-redirect" title="Post-September 11 anti-war movement">Post-September 11 anti-war movement</a>. While admittedly some of that is still under a neutrality dispute -- I don't know what it would take to make <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Get-back-world-respect&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Get-back-world-respect (page does not exist)">User:Get-back-world-respect</a> happy -- we managed to get this to where at least <a href="/wiki/User:MathKnight" title="User:MathKnight">User:MathKnight</a> and I are both OK with it, and I imagine you've worked with both of us enough to know that was not easy. (Actually, I'm not sure the article could ever be acceptable to both <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Get-back-world-respect&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Get-back-world-respect (page does not exist)">User:Get-back-world-respect</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:MathKnight" title="User:MathKnight">User:MathKnight</a> at the same time.) Still, what I wanted to point to is the quotations I added from Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, and Martin Woollacott. It's not convenient to my politics that they all felt it necessary when condemning the September 11 attacks, with the dust still in the air they chose to immediately add "but of course America has done equally bad things..." The fact is, though, that's what they said, and I'm the one who added this material. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 22:27, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_comment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_comment"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_comment"></span>Request for comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_comment"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Request for comment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I'm interested. Just very confused why there are so many articles now! Give me a while to look into this, OK? Just to let you know, I have no viewpoint either way right at this moment. I'll try to remain unbiased, and will try to be as fair as possible to both sides of the site. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 22:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proteus_RFC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proteus_RFC"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proteus_RFC"></span>Proteus RFC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proteus_RFC"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Proteus RFC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I have commented on this RFC. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> 09:13, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Demographic_history_of_Kosovo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Demographic_history_of_Kosovo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Demographic_history_of_Kosovo"></span>Demographic history of Kosovo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Demographic_history_of_Kosovo"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Demographic history of Kosovo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hey, thanks for that - I didn't know how long the "fight" would have continued otherwise. The article still needs a lot of work to look professional and to be 100% neutral - but this should be tackled by someone who is absolutely impartial - preferably one who hasn't edited it until now. Besides, I don't have the nerves to work on articles which have an active contribution from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Smolenski&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Nikola Smolenski (page does not exist)">Nikola Smolenski</a> any more. <a href="/wiki/User:VMORO" title="User:VMORO">VMORO</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rant" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rant"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rant"></span>Rant<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rant"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Rant"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>is this your version of NPOV - <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Dore_Gold&diff=0&oldid=6906164">[2]</a>? </p><p>"The Jews against Occupation spokesman went on to rant about Israel, stating ..." </p><p>-<a href="/wiki/User:Xed" title="User:Xed">Xed</a> 17:39, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Put_messages_on_Talk_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Put_messages_on_Talk_pages"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Put_messages_on_Talk_pages"></span>Put messages on Talk pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Put_messages_on_Talk_pages"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Put messages on Talk pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg, you recently sent me an important message but you left it on my <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">User:IZAK</a> "user page" when it should have been placed on my "DISCUSSION page" also known as the "talk page" at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">User talk:IZAK</a> (I know that in a rush these things can get overlooked...) Thanks again. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 06:39, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles"><span id="Lots_of_tiny.2C_overlapping_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles"></span>Lots of tiny, overlapping articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lots_of_tiny,_overlapping_articles"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: Lots of tiny, overlapping articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Jay, I had an idea: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Palestine_series&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Palestine series (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Palestine series</a> can keep track of the overlap. It's already helped me to locate some duplicate sections of text, which I've moved or deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Ed_Poor" title="User:Ed Poor">--Uncle Ed</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ed_Poor" title="User talk:Ed Poor">(El Dunce)</a> 19:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Numbers_and_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Numbers_and_references"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Numbers_and_references"></span>Numbers and references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Numbers_and_references"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Numbers and references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please review my comments at the bottom of the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Neo-Nazism" title="Talk:Neo-Nazism">Talk:Neo-Nazism</a> page, under the section, <i>Numbers, numbers...</i> Is my statement accurate, and are my cites adequate? Thanks in advance. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 04:51, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles"></span>Lots of editing on the various Jesus articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lots_of_editing_on_the_various_Jesus_articles"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Lots of editing on the various Jesus articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jayjg. We'Ve currently got two very active new users, <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rev_of_Bru" title="User:The Rev of Bru">User:The Rev of Bru</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:CheeseDreams" title="User:CheeseDreams">User:CheeseDreams</a>, who have started a crusade to "neutralize" all the articles on <a href="/wiki/Jesus" title="Jesus">Jesus</a>. Normally, they go too far, but it is quite hard to keep up with them, and I'm a little afraid about going too far in reverting them. As an "outsider" who is well-informed about the topic, maybe you could have a look-though to make sure the articles haven't gone too far one way or the other. Of the two, The Rev of Bru tends to be rather combative and accusatory, while you can actually have a discussion with CheeseDreams. Neither of them show a whole lot of desire to support their claims (and of course, the sorry state of support for claims in those articles at present gives them every right to ask why they, in particular, have to support claims). If I get a good chunk of time here in the near future, I'll try to provide some cites for at least the "Christian" critical scholars. I don't have much on the line of sources for the skeptics, except for the straw men set up in popular books on the topic. Thanks a million! <a href="/wiki/User:Mpolo" title="User:Mpolo">Mpolo</a> 09:05, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I'll do my best, but I'm quite involved with some POV warriors trying to ruthelessly inject extreme bias into various articles right now, including <a href="/wiki/Yasser_Arafat" title="Yasser Arafat">Yasser Arafat</a>, so I'm a bit tied up. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 09:07, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>Thanks. I understand that you're watching a lot of controversial pages... Whatever you can manage. <a href="/wiki/User:Mpolo" title="User:Mpolo">Mpolo</a> 09:34, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC) <dl><dd>Thanks for watching. I agree that CheeseDreams has been pretty reasonable. I did one major edit of his work last night to restore neutrality, and he accepted that, and his edits after that point were much better to my mind. The Rev of Bru has already been contacted by three editors on his talk page about his editing style/POV-warrior-hood, but says he's going to work on less controversial pages for a while... So maybe the tempest has blown over. <a href="/wiki/User:Mpolo" title="User:Mpolo">Mpolo</a> 08:56, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Obstetrics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Obstetrics"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Obstetrics"></span>Obstetrics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Obstetrics"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Obstetrics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>You might want to keep an eye on <a href="/wiki/Obstetrics" title="Obstetrics">Obstetrics</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Walabio" title="User:Walabio">Walabio</a> added a POV circumcision rant disguised as a procedure in the Labour section. He seems to be an activist for "Genital Integrity". He keeps his talk page blank (like HistoryBuffEr) but archived <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Walabio/Archive_00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Walabio/Archive 00 (page does not exist)">here</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 20:35, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_VfD" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_VfD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_VfD"></span>New VfD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_VfD"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: New VfD"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Alberuni's new page, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Israeli_violence_against_Palestinian_children&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Israeli violence against Palestinian children (page does not exist)">Israeli violence against Palestinian children</a> has been nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Israeli_violence_against_Palestinian_children" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Israeli violence against Palestinian children">VfD</a>. Please vote. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 10:05, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Palestine,_etc." data-mw-thread-id="h-Palestine,_etc."><span id="Palestine.2C_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Palestine,_etc."></span>Palestine, etc.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Palestine,_etc."></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Palestine, etc."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I didn't understand your answer at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Struggle_over_Palestine#Reply_to_Jmabel" title="Talk:Struggle over Palestine">Talk:Struggle_over_Palestine#Reply_to_Jmabel</a>. Please see my request for clarification there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">Talk</a> 22:13, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Irate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Irate"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Irate"></span>Irate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Irate"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Irate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I was going to leave wikipedia because of Irate, however I figured I should stay.--<a href="/wiki/User:198" title="User:198">198</a> 22:59, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi"></span>Hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Hi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Jay, </p><p>Happily, I am considerably more employed than I used to be. Unhappily, this means I have less time to devote to Wikipedia. I am still regularly checking my watched pages and trying to contribute to decreasing systemic bias by writing about Venezuela and labor unions. If you want to work on <a href="/wiki/Israel_Shahak" title="Israel Shahak">Israel Shahak</a>, I will do my best to help you out, though I may not be able to keep up. </p><p>Peace, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:DanKeshet" title="User:DanKeshet">DanKeshet</a> 19:23, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sam_Spade,_aka_"Thomas_Jefferson"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sam_Spade,_aka_"Thomas_Jefferson""><span id="Sam_Spade.2C_aka_.22Thomas_Jefferson.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sam_Spade,_aka_"Thomas_Jefferson""></span>Sam Spade, aka "Thomas Jefferson"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sam_Spade,_aka_"Thomas_Jefferson""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Sam Spade, aka "Thomas Jefferson""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Sam Spade is engaging in historical revisionism on <a href="/wiki/Nazi_Germany" title="Nazi Germany">Nazi Germany</a> and <a href="/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators" title="Pursuit of Nazi collaborators">Pursuit of Nazi collaborators</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 22:37, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Libertarianism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Libertarianism"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Libertarianism"></span>Libertarianism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Libertarianism"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: Libertarianism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Well done for protecting this, but the version you have protected is the vandalised version. Please switch to the version before that. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:172.202.238.189&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:172.202.238.189 (page does not exist)">172.202.238.189</a> </p> <dl><dd>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wrong_Version" title="Wikipedia:The Wrong Version">Wikipedia:The Wrong Version</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 02:10, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus"></span>Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I'd appreciate your thoughts on <a href="/wiki/Cultural_and_Historical_Background_of_Jesus" class="mw-redirect" title="Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus">Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus</a>, especially concerning my differences with Cheese. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Slrubenstein" title="User:Slrubenstein">Slrubenstein</a> </p> <dl><dd>I have added your recent protection of the POV version of <a href="/wiki/Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus" class="mw-redirect" title="Cultural and historical background of Jesus">Cultural and historical background of Jesus</a> rather than the NPOV version to the requests for arbitration page. I think this is an abuse of adminship. <a href="/wiki/User:CheeseDreams" title="User:CheeseDreams">CheeseDreams</a> 08:54, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>Hi Jayjg, can you see what is going on on the Cultural and historical background of Jesus page? I did not protect it; I am not sure whether Cheese did (which would be wrong, as he is the vandal here) or you -- I don't understand Cheese's comment above. In any event, if you have protected it would you please consider protecting the (Revision as of 23:09, 2 Nov 2004) version -- this version is much closer to the original version of the article (if you use the page history and look at the first version of the article) and factually more accurate. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Slrubenstein" title="User:Slrubenstein">Slrubenstein</a> </p><p>Okay, I accept what you did. Still, when I first appealed to you I was hoping you would offer your own comments on the different issues on the talk page. I wante dto know what you think. If you feel uncomfortable getting involved in the discussion I understand, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Slrubenstein" title="User:Slrubenstein">Slrubenstein</a> </p> <dl><dd>I notice Slrubenstein is trying to bring people who he sees as supporters of his POV into the discussion (see his contributions list). I do not think this is a very NPOV thing to do. <a href="/wiki/User:CheeseDreams" title="User:CheeseDreams">CheeseDreams</a> 00:13, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_are_screwing_up_the_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_are_screwing_up_the_categories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_are_screwing_up_the_categories"></span>You are screwing up the categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_are_screwing_up_the_categories"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: You are screwing up the categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>You are screwing up the categories such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Nobel_Peace_Prize_winners&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Nobel Peace Prize winners (page does not exist)">Category:Nobel Peace Prize winners</a> by storing versions of pages you are vandalizing, such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jayjg/YA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jayjg/YA (page does not exist)">User:Jayjg/YA</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Alberuni" title="User:Alberuni">Alberuni</a> 18:27, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators"><span id="User_talk:Spleeman.23Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators"></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators" title="User talk:Spleeman">User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: User_talk:Spleeman#Edits_to_Nazism_and_Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>It sickens me that you would encourage a stalker sockpuppet like <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman" title="User:Spleeman">User:Spleeman</a>, who has less than 500 total edits <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=Spleeman">[3]</a> (most of which spent harassing me), and hasn't edited since august, to review my edits. You've lost all respect from me (I thought you were a pretty good editor up till now). In the future, take your concerns up with users personally, rather than attempting to bring in Troll muscle. I hope your ashamed of yourself, I am certainly ashamed for you. [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 18:48, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I have no idea what your talking about, like I told you, and as you can see for yourself <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=Spleeman">[4]</a>, spleeman hasn't edited anything in some time, much less disagreed w me about these particular subjects. I think you need to re-evaluate your stance, since it doesn't appear to ad up. <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman" title="User:Spleeman">User:Spleeman</a> and I <i>used</i> to debate anarchism, months ago. What that has to do with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators&action=history">Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators</a> or <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Nazism&action=history">[5]</a> I have no clue, he has never edited the former, and edited the latter <i>once</i> back in august. Perhaps you were confused, or there is some other explanation, but I simply don't see how an editor like <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman" title="User:Spleeman">User:Spleeman</a> was on your "speed dial" of people to contact w concerns. [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 19:10, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>For an example of why I got so angry, so fast about this, see <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman/Sam_Spade" title="User:Spleeman/Sam Spade">User:Spleeman/Sam Spade</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK#Sam_Spade" title="User talk:IZAK">User_talk:IZAK#Sam_Spade</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/IZAK#Sam_Spade's_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK#Sam Spade's adminship</a>. I have a long, ugly history w this user, and those who use his "evidence" as a smear against me. [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 19:30, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Did you confuse <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">User:IZAK</a> w <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman" title="User:Spleeman">User:Spleeman</a>? Thats my best guess, after thinking hard about this for awhile now. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/IZAK#Seems_basically_resolved_between_Sam_Spade_and_IZAK" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/IZAK">Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/IZAK#Seems_basically_resolved_between_Sam_Spade_and_IZAK</a> where I <i>am</i> actively discussing <a href="/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators" title="Pursuit of Nazi collaborators">Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators</a> w IZAK... [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 19:34, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>OK..., thats something I never would have expected. In the future please discuss edits with the person who concerns you directly, rather than reaching out to unknown members of their opposition. There is nothing NPOV about unbalancing concensus against a particular editor, esp. when you have no idea who your contacting, and they just so happen to be malicious trolls. Also, just because the <a href="/wiki/User:Spleeman" title="User:Spleeman">User:Spleeman</a> account is inactive doesn't mean the <i>real person</i> behind that account isn't still editing. I assume they are.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In summary, be careful what you say, and who your saying it to, and please speak to those you disagree w directly, rather than rallying opposition to them behind the scenes. Its both more fair, more honest, and more safe (as I hope this particular scenario illustrated).</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>On a side note, is there anything you'd like to discuss w <i>me</i> regarding <a href="/wiki/Nazism" title="Nazism">Nazism</a> or "<a href="/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators" title="Pursuit of Nazi collaborators">Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators</a>"? [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 19:54, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Stuff happens, I now accept it was an honest mistake, and that you were unaware of the histories involved. Life is full of mistakes, the key is learning from them. Is there anything you'd like to discuss w me? I promise, I'm not half so horrid as some may think ;) [[User:Sam Spade|<i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Spade" title="User:Sam Spade">Thomas Jefferson</a> for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new">President</a></b></i>]] 20:04, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_questionable_status_as_an_NPOV_warrior" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_questionable_status_as_an_NPOV_warrior"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_questionable_status_as_an_NPOV_warrior"></span>Your questionable status as an NPOV warrior<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_questionable_status_as_an_NPOV_warrior"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Your questionable status as an NPOV warrior"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I can't believe you claim to an NPOV warrior when it is very obvious that you systematically edit and revert pages that dare to criticise the policies of the Israeli government. You are obviously as Zionist POV warrior and could at least admit it. <a href="/wiki/User:Kingal86" title="User:Kingal86">Kingal86</a> 20:17, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion"></span>Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>See these <b>six</b> categories up for "votes of deletion": </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorist_organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorist_organizations</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Middle_East_terrorists" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Middle_East_terrorists</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Terrorist_organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Terrorist_organizations</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Islamic_terrorist_organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Islamic_terrorist_organizations</a> and this one too: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_terrorist_organizations" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Categories for deletion">Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_terrorist_organizations</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 10:10, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Prayer_of_the_Heart_-_The_Jesus_Prayer" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Prayer_of_the_Heart_-_The_Jesus_Prayer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Prayer_of_the_Heart_-_The_Jesus_Prayer"></span>The Prayer of the Heart - The Jesus Prayer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Prayer_of_the_Heart_-_The_Jesus_Prayer"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: The Prayer of the Heart - The Jesus Prayer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Dear Jayjg, </p><p>The prayer of the heart is not a thing to be taken lightly. It has been regarded by the church as a thing that if practiced without years of monastic discipline can lead to spiritual delusion on the grandest scale. Having members of the priesthood and monastics in my family they assure me this is a legitimate danger. It is oddly similar for the ascetic practices of many religions. Buddhists and Hindus practice similar forms of meditation and themselves warn against spiritual delusion among the naïve and those that venture along this path without a guide. The desert fathers tell of many who become delusional from this practice. It is only properly done under the strict control and observation of an experienced elder and I doubt there is any responsible church leader who would disagree with me. The popular book, “The Way of the Pilgrim” is from that late Russian romantic period that tells a story without much substance to it. Its an interesting piece of Russian literature – I have it on my shelf. But anyone who thinks that it is an example of the proper use of the Jesus Prayer must be completely unaware of the danger inherent in the practice. </p><p>This was the point of my rewrite. </p> <dl><dd>This is a POV. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">Wikipedia:NPOV</a>. At a minimum you need to write this idea in a non-POV way, and attribute to the groups which believe it, with references. And please sign your edits. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayjg" title="User:Jayjg">Jayjg</a> 06:00, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion_for_IZAK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion_for_IZAK"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion_for_IZAK"></span>Opinion for IZAK<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion_for_IZAK"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Opinion for IZAK"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/IZAK/Evidence" title="Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence">Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> 07:02, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dore_Gold" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dore_Gold"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dore_Gold"></span>Dore Gold<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dore_Gold"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Dore Gold"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Snow" title="User:Michael Snow">Michael Snow</a> has protected Blankfaze's version of the <a href="/wiki/Dore_Gold" title="Dore Gold">Dore Gold</a> page, while the consensus on the talk page is in opposition to this version. Please see my <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Snow#Dore_Gold" title="User talk:Michael Snow">comments on this issue</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Viriditas" title="User:Viriditas">Viriditas</a> 12:31, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC) </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&oldid=1139629010">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayjg/Archive_2&oldid=1139629010</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 16 February 2023, at 02:35<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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