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background-color:var(--background-color-base, #fff); color:inherit;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="archive"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/File_cabinet.svg/50px-File_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/File_cabinet.svg/75px-File_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/File_cabinet.svg/100px-File_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></span></span> </td> <td><i>This page is an archive. <span style="color:var(--color-destructive, #d73333)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Use the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro" title="Wikidata:Bistro">current page</a>, even to continue an old discussion.</i> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Q107214470"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Q107214470</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Q610837"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Q610837</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Q106127584_et_Q123697201"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Q106127584 et Q123697201</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Liste des titulaires du prix Goncourt en SPARQL</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Pages de Wikipédia sans Wikidata</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_within_image_(P2677)"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Crotos / Annotation d'œuvres - Outil de visualisation des relative position within image (P2677)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">De l'infobox sur Wikipédia vers Wikidata</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordogne"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Suppression de tous les temples protestants dans la liste d'églises de la Dordogne</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Q122722319"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Q122722319</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Prix littéraires : on doublonne l'info ou pas ?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Rémy Goumaz : admissible ?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">citation d'une page d'un livre sous références</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Q21683588"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Q21683588</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Mémento_SPARQL"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Mémento SPARQL</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q107214470" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q107214470-20241106105100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q107214470-20241106105100"></span>Q107214470<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q107214470-20241106105100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Q107214470" title="Q107214470"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100-Q107214470"></span>Q107214470</a> Bonjour, quelqu'un pourrait-il m'expliquer la raison d'être de cet élément ? Il me semble que la propriété pourrait être reliée directement à l'élément sur l'Académie. <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100-Q107214470" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100-Q107214470"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100-Q107214470"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span>demander au créateur de l'item ? à minima lui faire un ping ici <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ayack-20241107114900-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span>C'est nécessaire pour éviter d'avoir une violation de contrainte quand <a href="/wiki/Property:P5661" title="Property:P5661">Académie de Montpellier member ID <small dir="ltr">(P5661)</small></a> est utilisé comme référence avec <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ayack" title="User talk:Ayack"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Ayack-20241107114900-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ayack-20241107114900-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ayack-20241107114900-Maxime_Ravel-20241106105100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q610837" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q610837-20241107140200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q610837-20241107140200"></span>Q610837<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q610837-20241107140200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jihaim-20241107140200-Q610837"></span>Bonjour, </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/Q610837" title="Q610837">Q610837</a> : deux valeurs pour P1006. Que faire ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jihaim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jihaim (page does not exist)">Jihaim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jihaim" title="User talk:Jihaim"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Jihaim-20241107140200-Q610837" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jihaim-20241107140200-Q610837"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jihaim-20241107140200-Q610837"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GrandEscogriffe-20241107174400-Jihaim-20241107140200"></span>Bonjour <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jihaim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jihaim (page does not exist)">Jihaim</a>. Cela était suggéré par le message d'avertissement : renseigner les titres des deux pages dans le qualificateur <a href="/wiki/Property:P1810" title="Property:P1810">subject named as <small dir="ltr">(P1810)</small></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GrandEscogriffe" title="User:GrandEscogriffe">GrandEscogriffe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GrandEscogriffe" title="User talk:GrandEscogriffe"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-GrandEscogriffe-20241107174400-Jihaim-20241107140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GrandEscogriffe-20241107174400-Jihaim-20241107140200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GrandEscogriffe-20241107174400-Jihaim-20241107140200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q106127584_et_Q123697201" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q106127584_et_Q123697201-20241108151800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q106127584_et_Q123697201-20241108151800"></span><a href="/wiki/Q106127584" title="Q106127584">Q106127584</a> et <a href="/wiki/Q123697201" class="mw-redirect" title="Q123697201">Q123697201</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q106127584_et_Q123697201-20241108151800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChoumX-20241108151800-Q106127584_et_Q123697201"></span>Bonjour, ces deux éléments ne seraient-ils pas fusionner ? Mêmes noms aux diacritiques près, et mêmes dates de naissance. D'avance merci pour votre aide, et bien cordialement, <a href="/wiki/User:ChoumX" title="User:ChoumX">ChoumX</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChoumX" title="User talk:ChoumX"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-ChoumX-20241108151800-Q106127584_et_Q123697201" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChoumX-20241108151800-Q106127584_et_Q123697201"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChoumX-20241108151800-Q106127584_et_Q123697201"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241108211200-ChoumX-20241108151800"></span>Oui, fusion faite. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-VIGNERON-20241108211200-ChoumX-20241108151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241108211200-ChoumX-20241108151800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241108211200-ChoumX-20241108151800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL-20241108172800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL-20241108172800"></span>Liste des titulaires du prix Goncourt en SPARQL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL-20241108172800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL"></span>J'arrive pas à obtenir la liste des titulaires du prix Goncourt car c'est le duo <a href="/wiki/Q3293766" title="Q3293766">Marius-Ary Leblond <small>(Q3293766)</small></a> qui a obtenu le prix en 1909. Je vois pas comment obtenir les êtes humains ainsi que ce duo. Voilà la requête SPARQL : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/Btcu">https://w.wiki/Btcu</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User:Pyb en résidence">Pyb en résidence</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User talk:Pyb en résidence"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800-Liste_des_titulaires_du_prix_Goncourt_en_SPARQL"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20241108173200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User:Pyb en résidence"><bdi>Pyb en résidence</bdi></a>: Avec VALUES peut-être ? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20241108173200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20241108173200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20241108173200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241108172800"></span></dd> <dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1502159272">.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible{border:1px solid #BBBBBB}.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible pre{margin-top:2px}</style><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="k">DISTINCT</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nv">?itemLabel</span> <span class="nv">?annéePrix</span> <span class="nv">?livreLabel</span> <span class="k">WHERE</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="k">VALUES</span> <span class="nv">?values</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q5</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q16017119</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">wdt</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P31</span> <span class="nv">?values</span><span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">p</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P166</span> <span class="nv">?awardStat</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="c"># … with an awarded(P166) statement</span> <span class="nv">?awardStat</span> <span class="nn">ps</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P166</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q187300</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="c"># … that has the value Prix Apollinaire (Q478826)</span> <span class="nv">?awardStat</span> <span class="nn">pq</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P585</span> <span class="nv">?datePrix</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="c"># when did they receive the Prix Apollinaire </span> <span class="k">OPTIONAL</span><span class="p">{</span><span class="nv">?awardStat</span> <span class="nn">pq</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P1686</span> <span class="nv">?livre</span><span class="p">.}</span> <span class="k">BIND</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">year</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nv">?datePrix</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="k">as</span> <span class="nv">?annéePrix</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="k">SERVICE</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">label</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nn">bd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">serviceParam</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">language</span> <span class="s">"fr"</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">ORDER BY</span> <span class="nv">?annéePrix</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fann%C3%A9ePrix%20%3FlivreLabel%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20VALUES%20%3Fvalues%20%7B%20wd%3AQ5%20wd%3AQ16017119%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20%3Fvalues.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP166%20%3FawardStat%20.%20%23%20%E2%80%A6%20with%20an%20awarded%28P166%29%20statement%0A%20%20%3FawardStat%20ps%3AP166%20wd%3AQ187300%20.%20%23%20%E2%80%A6%20that%20has%20the%20value%20Prix%20Apollinaire%20%28Q478826%29%0A%20%20%3FawardStat%20pq%3AP585%20%3FdatePrix%20.%20%23%20when%20did%20they%20receive%20the%20Prix%20Apollinaire%20%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%3FawardStat%20pq%3AP1686%20%3Flivre.%7D%0A%20%20%0A%20%20BIND%28year%28%3FdatePrix%29%20as%20%3Fann%C3%A9ePrix%29%0A%0ASERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%22%20.%20%7D%0A%7D%0A%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fann%C3%A9ePrix"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Try it!</span></a> </div></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata-20241109134300"><span id="Pages_de_Wikip.C3.A9dia_sans_Wikidata"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata-20241109134300"></span>Pages de Wikipédia sans Wikidata<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata-20241109134300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241109134300-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata"></span>Et tant que j'y suis, je profite pour faire la pub à <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Sp%C3%A9cial:UnconnectedPages" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Spécial:UnconnectedPages">cette liste</a> des pages sur Wikipédia encore sans élément Wikidata, si quelqu'un veut bien aider à la réduire. Cordialement,--<a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Una_tantum-20241109134300-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241109134300-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241109134300-Pages_de_Wikipédia_sans_Wikidata"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_within_image_(P2677)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit-20241108215600"><span id="Crotos_.2F_Annotation_d.27.C5.93uvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_within_image_.28P2677.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit-20241108215600"></span>Crotos / Annotation d'œuvres - Outil de visualisation des <a href="/wiki/Property:P2677" title="Property:P2677">relative position within image <small dir="ltr">(P2677)</small></a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit-20241108215600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shonagon-20241108215600-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit"></span>Bonjour, </p><p>L'outil de visualisation des annotations images liée aux déclarations <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts <small dir="ltr">(P180)</small></a> sur Crotos a été remonté : <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://zone47.com/crotos/lab/cropper/get.php?q=Q15877622">exemple sur <i>L'Atelier de la rue de la Condamine</i>, de Frédéric Bazille</a> . </p><p>La nouvelle version offre un aperçu des zones dépeintes sur l'image et des snippets latéraux pour rebondir sur l'élément dépeint vers Wikipédia ou sinon Wikidata, avec multilinguisme ; pour navigateur PC de bureau. Vous pouvez naviguer dans des exemples avec ces <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AImageGrid%0ASELECT%20distinct%20%3Fvoir_les_depeints%20%3FitemLabel%20(COUNT(distinct%20%3FDeclarationDepeint)%20as%20%3Fnb)%20(GROUP_CONCAT(distinct%20%3Fcrea_label%3B%20separator%3D%22%20-%20%22)%20as%20%3Fcrea)%0A%09(GROUP_CONCAT(distinct%20%3Fcoll_label%3B%20separator%3D%22%20-%20%22)%20as%20%3Fcollection)%0A%20%20%20%20(GROUP_CONCAT(distinct%20%3Fdate%3B%20separator%3D%22%20%3B%20%22)%20as%20%3Fdates)%0A%09(SAMPLE(%3Fimg)%20as%20%3Fimage)%0AWHERE{%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP180%20%3FDeclarationDepeint.%0A%20%20%3FDeclarationDepeint%20pq%3AP2677%20%5B%5D.%0A%20%20{%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ3305213.}%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimg.%0A%20%20%0A%20%20BIND(IRI((CONCAT(%22https%3A%2F%2Fzone47.com%2Fcrotos%2Flab%2Fcropper%2Fget.php%3Fq%3D%22%2C%20REPLACE(%20str(%20%3Fitem)%2C%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fentity%2F%22%2C%22%22))))%20as%20%3Fvoir_les_depeints%20)%0A%20%20%23%20crea%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20{%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP170%20%3Fcrea.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcrea%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcrea_labellg%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcrea_labellg)%20%3D%20%22fr%22)}%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcrea%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcrea_labelen%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcrea_labelen)%20%3D%20%22en%22)}%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcrea%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcrea_labelmul%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcrea_labelmul)%20%3D%20%22mul%22)}%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND(COALESCE(COALESCE(%3Fcrea_labellg%2C%3Fcrea_labelen)%2C%3Fcrea_labelmul)%20AS%20%3Fcrea_label)%0A%20%20}%0A%20%20%23%20collection%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20{%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP195%20%3Fcoll.%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcoll%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcoll_labellg%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcoll_labellg)%20%3D%20%22fr%22)}%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcoll%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcoll_labelen%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcoll_labelen)%20%3D%20%22en%22)}%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL{%3Fcoll%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fcoll_labelmul%20filter%20(lang(%3Fcoll_labelmul)%20%3D%20%22mul%22)}%0A%20%20%20%20BIND(COALESCE(COALESCE(%3Fcoll_labellg%2C%3Fcoll_labelen)%2C%3Fcoll_labelmul)%20AS%20%3Fcoll_label)%0A%20%20}%0A%20%20%23%20date%20unique%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20{%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP571%20%3Fdeclarationdate.%0A%20%20%20%20MINUS%20{%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1319%20%3Fpasavant%20}%0A%20%20%20%20MINUS%20{%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1480%20wd%3AQ5727902%20}%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fdeclarationdate%20ps%3AP571%20%3Fdateunique%20.%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%20(year(%3Fdateunique)%20AS%20%3Fdate)}%0A%20%20%23%20date%20unique%20environ%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20{%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP571%20%3Fdeclarationdate.%0A%20%20%20%20MINUS%20{%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1319%20%3Fpasavant%20}%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1480%20wd%3AQ5727902.%20%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fdeclarationdate%20ps%3AP571%20%3Fdateunique%20.%20%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%20(CONCAT(%22c.%22%2CSTR(year(%3Fdateunique)))%20AS%20%3Fdate)}%0A%20%20%23%20p%C3%A9riode%20pas%20avant%20%2F%20pas%20apres%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20{%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP571%20%3Fdeclarationdate.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1319%20%3Fpasavant%20.%20%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fdeclarationdate%20pq%3AP1326%20%3Fpasapres.%0A%20%20BIND%20(CONCAT(STR(year(%3Fpasavant))%2C%22%20-%20%22%2CSTR(year(%3Fpasapres)))%20AS%20%3Fdate)}%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%2Cen%2Cmul%2Cfr%2Cit%2Ces%2Cca%2Cde%2Cnl%2Cpt%2Cpl%2Ccs%2Cda%2Csv%2Cfi%2Cnb%2Ccy%2Cel%2Ctr%2Cru%2Cuk%2Cja%2Czh%2Cko%2Cfa%2Che%2Csw%2Cvi%2Cth%2Car%2Cpa%2Chi%2Cbn%2Cte%2Cid%2Cjv%2Cla%2Ceo%22.%20}%0A%0A}GROUP%20BY%20%3Fvoir_les_depeints%20%3FitemLabel%20%0AHAVING%20(%3Fnb%20%3E%205)%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC(%3Fnb)%0A">résultats de requête SparQL sur les annotations d'éléments peintures</a> </p><p>Côté technique, le module IIIF sur module IIP ZoomViewer de Wikimedia Commons a été malheureusement abandonné. Depuis sa mise en place en 2015 le fonctionnement est très aléatoire, au mieux très lent et le plus souvent en échec pour de multiples requêtes sur un même fichier image. Là j'ai opté, non sans peine, pour la génération et le stockage des fragments sur un serveur tiers. </p><p>Pour la contribution, <a class="external text" href="https://wd-image-positions.toolforge.org/item/Q15877622">Wikidata Image Positions</a> demeure un outil quasi irremplaçable. C'est juste la visualisation qui, ne correspondant pas à mes attentes, m'a amené à remonter cet ancien outil. Si vous avez connaissance d'autres outil permettant de visualiser des fragments d'images de Commons, n'hésitez pas à les signaler. Bien à vous <a href="/wiki/User:Shonagon" title="User:Shonagon">Shonagon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shonagon" title="User talk:Shonagon"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Shonagon-20241108215600-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shonagon-20241108215600-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shonagon-20241108215600-Crotos_/_Annotation_d'œuvres_-_Outil_de_visualisation_des_relative_position_wit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241110190800-Shonagon-20241108215600"></span>Merci beaucoup @<a href="/wiki/User:Shonagon" title="User:Shonagon"><bdi>Shonagon</bdi></a>: ce genre d'outil est vraiment utile ; et ce d'autant plus quand l'image est « dense », par exemple pour <a href="/wiki/Q1231009" title="Q1231009">The Coronation of Napoleon <small>(Q1231009)</small></a> qui donne <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://zone47.com/crotos/lab/cropper/get.php?q=Q1231009">ceci</a>. Et encore car je ne connais aucun autre outil qui fasse la même chose. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-VIGNERON-20241110190800-Shonagon-20241108215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241110190800-Shonagon-20241108215600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241110190800-Shonagon-20241108215600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata" data-mw-thread-id="h-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata-20241109132300"><span id="De_l.27infobox_sur_Wikip.C3.A9dia_vers_Wikidata"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata-20241109132300"></span>De l'infobox sur Wikipédia vers Wikidata<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata-20241109132300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241109132300-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata"></span>Bonjour, est-ce qu'il y a moyen d'importer rapidement (avec QuickStatements ou autre outil) les données d'un infobox de Wikipédia sur l'élément Wikidata correspondant, sans chercher/remplir à la main toutes les déclarations ? Exemple pratique : je suis partie de <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Sp%C3%A9cial:UnconnectedPages" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Spécial:UnconnectedPages">w:fr:Spécial:UnconnectedPages</a>, où j'ai trouvé <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Pont_de_la_Justice" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Pont de la Justice">Pont de la Justice</a> (infobox bien rempli), et je viens de créer <a href="/wiki/Q131105733" title="Q131105733">Q131105733</a>. Cordialement, <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Una_tantum-20241109132300-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241109132300-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241109132300-De_l'infobox_sur_Wikipédia_vers_Wikidata"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shonagon-20241109192500-Una_tantum-20241109132300"></span>Bonjour <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> Un vieux souvenir d'un outil faisant cela. En cherchant, j'ai trouvé celui-ci, peut-être le même plus développé, mais ne l'ai jamais utilisé : <a class="external free" href="https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/tools/infobox-export">https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/tools/infobox-export</a> . Bien à toi <a href="/wiki/User:Shonagon" title="User:Shonagon">Shonagon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shonagon" title="User talk:Shonagon"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Shonagon-20241109192500-Una_tantum-20241109132300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shonagon-20241109192500-Una_tantum-20241109132300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shonagon-20241109192500-Una_tantum-20241109132300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241110101400-Shonagon-20241109192500"></span>Merci beaucoup @<a href="/wiki/User:Shonagon" title="User:Shonagon">Shonagon</a>! :D Je viens de dénicher la page d'aide : <a href="/wiki/Help:Infobox_export_gadget/fr" title="Help:Infobox export gadget/fr">Aide:Gadget d'exportation des Infobox</a>. Apparemment, ce gadget ne marche pas avec frwiki. Cordialement, <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Una_tantum-20241110101400-Shonagon-20241109192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241110101400-Shonagon-20241109192500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241110101400-Shonagon-20241109192500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241110111200-Una_tantum-20241110101400"></span>La discussionle se poursuit <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Questions_techniques/semaine_45_2024#Gadget_d'exportation_des_infobox_sur_Wikidata" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Wikipédia:Questions techniques/semaine 45 2024">ici</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Una_tantum-20241110111200-Una_tantum-20241110101400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241110111200-Una_tantum-20241110101400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241110111200-Una_tantum-20241110101400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordogne" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo-20241111183700"><span id="Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d.27.C3.A9glises_de_la_Dordogne"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo-20241111183700"></span>Suppression de tous les temples protestants dans la liste d'églises de la Dordogne<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo-20241111183700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Père_Igor-20241111183700-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span>Bonjour. Je découvre que @<a href="/wiki/User:ListeriaBot" title="User:ListeriaBot">ListeriaBot</a> a sabré tous les temples qui figuraient sur <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/%C3%89glises/24" title="Wikidata:WikiProject France/Églises/24">Wikidata:WikiProject France/Églises/24</a> et je suppose que les autres départements sont également concernés. Or, sur temple protestant (<a href="/wiki/Q56242063" title="Q56242063">Q56242063</a>), il est précisé qu'il s'agit d'un type de bâtiemnt, sous-classe de église (<a href="/wiki/Q16970" title="Q16970">Q16970</a>) et sur Wp/fr, Temple (homonymie) <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_(homonymie)" class="extiw" title="fr:Temple (homonymie)">[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_(homonymie)]</a> indique « Temple protestant est un nom donné aux églises protestantes ». Alors, à moins qu'une liste des temples par département soit ajoutée, j'aimerais que ces suppressions soient annulées. <a href="/wiki/User:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User:Père Igor">Père Igor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User talk:Père Igor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Père_Igor-20241111183700-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Père_Igor-20241111183700-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Père_Igor-20241111183700-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hsarrazin-20241111194200-Père_Igor-20241111183700"></span>Bonsoir @<a href="/wiki/User:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User:Père Igor">Père Igor</a></dd> <dd>Il ne semble pas y avoir eu de modification de la requête de Listeria. J'ai l'impression qu'il a dû y avoir une modification dans l'arborescence des sous-classes, qui a involontairement provoqué cette disparition...</dd> <dd>les 2 premières occurrences disparues sont des <a href="/wiki/Q6807904" title="Q6807904">maison d'assemblée</a><sup>(6807904)</sup>, qui <b>étaient</b> une sous-classe de <a href="/wiki/Q56242063" title="Q56242063">temple protestant</a><sup>(56242063)</sup>, et sont désormais (<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=2265880040&oldid=2245524375&title=Q6807904&diffmode=source">depuis le 27 oct</a>.) une sous-classe de <a href="/wiki/Q24398318" title="Q24398318">bâtiment religieux</a><sup>(24398318)</sup>, et donc plus rattachés à <a href="/wiki/Q16970" title="Q16970">église</a><sup>(16970)</sup>, ce qui explique la disparition, non pas des "temples protestants", mais des "maisons d'assemblées"...</dd> <dd>il faudrait que @<a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%8F%D8%AB%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86" title="User:عُثمان"><bdi>عُثمان</bdi></a>: explicite son changement, peut-être dû au fait que l'élément est utilisé (dans d'autres langues) pour désigner des bâtiments religieux non protestants ?</dd> <dd>Bon courage ! <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Hsarrazin-20241111194200-Père_Igor-20241111183700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hsarrazin-20241111194200-Père_Igor-20241111183700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hsarrazin-20241111194200-Père_Igor-20241111183700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ayack-20241112113700-Hsarrazin-20241111194200"></span>J'ai remplacé <a href="/wiki/Q6807904" title="Q6807904">meeting house <small>(Q6807904)</small></a> par <a href="/wiki/Q56242063" title="Q56242063">Protestant church building <small>(Q56242063)</small></a> sur tous les temples en France pour revenir à la situation initiale, quand <a href="/wiki/Q6807904" title="Q6807904">meeting house <small>(Q6807904)</small></a> était encore nommé "temple protestant". <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ayack" title="User talk:Ayack"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Ayack-20241112113700-Hsarrazin-20241111194200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ayack-20241112113700-Hsarrazin-20241111194200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ayack-20241112113700-Hsarrazin-20241111194200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Magnus_Manske-20241112094900-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span>I can confirm that the Listeria software did not change in the last few weeks. Any change is likely down to Wikidata changes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske" title="User:Magnus Manske">Magnus Manske</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske" title="User talk:Magnus Manske"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Magnus_Manske-20241112094900-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Magnus_Manske-20241112094900-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Magnus_Manske-20241112094900-Suppression_de_tous_les_temples_protestants_dans_la_liste_d'églises_de_la_Dordo"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q122722319" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q122722319-20241111195200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q122722319-20241111195200"></span>Q122722319<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q122722319-20241111195200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pradigue-20241111195200-Q122722319"></span>Bonjour </p><p>Je travaille sur le site chypriote de Maa-Palaekastro. Il y a un doublon, il convient de supprimer Q122722319; Merci, cordialement, <a href="/wiki/User:Pradigue" title="User:Pradigue">Pradigue</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pradigue" title="User talk:Pradigue"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Pradigue-20241111195200-Q122722319" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pradigue-20241111195200-Q122722319"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pradigue-20241111195200-Q122722319"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241112131500-Pradigue-20241111195200"></span>Bonjour @<a href="/wiki/User:Pradigue" title="User:Pradigue"><bdi>Pradigue</bdi></a>:</dd> <dd>Sur Wikidata, on ne supprime pas les doublons, on les fusionne.</dd> <dd>Par contre, quel est l'élément en doublon ? Je ne vois qu'un seul élément : <a href="/wiki/Q122722319" title="Q122722319">Maa Palaeokastro <small>(Q122722319)</small></a> (où je me suis permis d'ajouter le lien vers la Wikipédia en français).</dd> <dd>Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-VIGNERON-20241112131500-Pradigue-20241111195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241112131500-Pradigue-20241111195200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241112131500-Pradigue-20241111195200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?-20241112082000"><span id="Prix_litt.C3.A9raires_:_on_doublonne_l.27info_ou_pas_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?-20241112082000"></span>Prix littéraires : on doublonne l'info ou pas ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?-20241112082000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?"></span>Bonjour, </p><p>En regardant de plus près ce qu'il y avait sur Wikidata, j'ai découvert 3 emplacements pour la même info. Les prix littéraires peuvent être indiqués sur les éléments des personnes et les éléments des livres via <a href="/wiki/Property:P166" title="Property:P166">award received <small dir="ltr">(P166)</small></a> et sur les éléments des prix littéraires via <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner <small dir="ltr">(P1346)</small></a>. La 3e méthode est proscrite si l'on se réfère à la documentation de la propriété. J'ai commencé à faire le ménage. La méthode la plus répandue consiste à indiquer les lauréats sur les éléments des écrivains. Que faire des prix annoncés sur les œuvres ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de trace de discussions poussés sur le sujet, hormis ce bref échange sur le projet <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books/2018#Award_for_book_or_for_author_?" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books/2018">WikiProject Books</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User:Pyb en résidence">Pyb en résidence</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User talk:Pyb en résidence"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000-Prix_littéraires_:_on_doublonne_l'info_ou_pas_?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000"></span>Spontanément, je dirais qu'un qualificatif de la déclaration pour l'auteur avec P1686 peut suffire... <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100-Pyb_en_résidence-20241112082000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241112131200-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100"></span>Oui, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner <small dir="ltr">(P1346)</small></a> est à proscrire dans ce cas.</dd> <dd>Par contre, les prix ne sont pas tous pareils, parfois c'est clairement une personne récompensée (sans mention d'œuvre ou pour l'ensemble de son œuvre), parfois c'est clairement une œuvre (le prix Hugo par exemple) et parfois c'est entre les deux (typiquement récompenser une personne pour une œuvre particulière ou une œuvre d'une personne). Dans ce dernier cas, on peut s'en sortir avec des qualificatifs mais il faut voir comment modéliser cela exactement et dans quel sens. Il faudrait sans doute creuser la question pour voir comment faire au mieux pour éviter les doublons voir les contresens par contre, je ne pense pas que l'on puisse avoir un seul modèle simple et unique pour tout les prix.</dd> <dd>Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-VIGNERON-20241112131200-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241112131200-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241112131200-Maxime_Ravel-20241112083100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?-20241107103700"><span id="R.C3.A9my_Goumaz_:_admissible_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?-20241107103700"></span>Rémy Goumaz : admissible ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?-20241107103700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?"></span>Je me perd un peu dans le critère admissibilité, avec la notoriété qui semble être pris par certains très restrictivement comme unique critère (cfr demande de suppression d'entreprise dans le top 10 de leur secteur dans leur pays car "pas de lien interne ou externe). je me pose par exemple la question de l'admissibilité ou pas de faire un item pour la personne en question, ex-docteur-politicien, décoré "bourgeoisie d’honneur" de son vivant et de manière posthume par le nom de la bibliothèque dans sa ville Domdidier ? Et si lui remplis les critères pour avoir un item, est-ce que la "quelconque" bibliothèque portant son nom, est-elle qualifié aussi pour en avoir un afin de lier les 2 ? le fait d'avoir un bibliothèque à son nom me semble être un critère pour l'admissibilité de la personne, mais la bibliothèque elle-même est "banale", ce qui ne m’empêche pas de voir aucune raison pour ne pas avoir des éléments structurant de ce genre dans wikidata. bien plus que la réponse oui/non, c'est l'argumentation qui m’intéresse, histoire de ne plus créer des items effacé par d'autre pour des modifs qui m'ont paru inapproprié et surtout incompréhensible. <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241107103700-Rémy_Goumaz_:_admissible_?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ayack-20241107120300-Marc_wik-20241107103700"></span>Les critères sont très souples sur WD. Une personne pour laquelle des sources « sérieuses et disponibles publiquement » existent est donc admissible. Pareil pour une bibliothèque. Si c'est dernière est nommée d'après une personne, l'admissibilité de celle-ci est en plus validée par le critère 3. Dans le cas de <a href="/wiki/Q131007909" title="Q131007909">Rémy Goumaz <small>(Q131007909)</small></a>, inutile d'aller jusque là, la simple existence d'identifiants d'autorité type VIAF suffit. <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ayack" title="User talk:Ayack"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Ayack-20241107120300-Marc_wik-20241107103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ayack-20241107120300-Marc_wik-20241107103700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ayack-20241107120300-Marc_wik-20241107103700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241107132600-Ayack-20241107120300"></span>Merci pour la réponse et la création/enrichissement de l'item.</dd> <dd>qu'est-ce qui fait que la bibliothèque a sa place dans WD mais pas Q130332223 Echologia Aventures (le premier et plus gros centre de formation en aquaponie de France) ? <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Marc_wik-20241107132600-Ayack-20241107120300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241107132600-Ayack-20241107120300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241107132600-Ayack-20241107120300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100-Marc_wik-20241107132600"></span>Bonjour ! Rien en fait, et cet élément devrait être restauré à mon avis, vu les sources qui le décrivent : <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/louverne-53950/on-propose-une-reelle-immersion-echologia-en-mayenne-ce-n-est-pas-que-des-cabanes-en-bois-ec280606-8ac4-11ed-b974-98872541103d">[1]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/pays-de-la-loire/mayenne/mayenne-53100/video-echologia-un-parc-atypique-pour-vivre-un-week-end-en-osmose-avec-la-nature-2718654.html">[2]</a>. Certain(e)s patrouilleureuses ont peut-être parfois la main trop lourde... <a href="/wiki/User:Maxime_Ravel" title="User:Maxime Ravel">Maxime</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100-Marc_wik-20241107132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100-Marc_wik-20241107132600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100-Marc_wik-20241107132600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241108202800-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100"></span>et comment fait-on cela ? aide bienvenue <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Marc_wik-20241108202800-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241108202800-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241108202800-Maxime_Ravel-20241107134100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Marc_wik-20241108202800"></span>j'en ai fait un sujet dédié <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures</a>, c'est plus cohérent <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Marc_wik-20241108202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Marc_wik-20241108202800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Marc_wik-20241108202800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références" data-mw-thread-id="h-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références-20241107121500"><span id="citation_d.27une_page_d.27un_livre_sous_r.C3.A9f.C3.A9rences"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références-20241107121500"></span>citation d'une page d'un livre sous références<span data-mw-comment-end="h-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références-20241107121500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kbamert-20241107121500-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références"></span>Bonjour, Comment peut-on correctement citer la page d'un livre sous référence? Jusqu'à présent j'ai mis le numéro ISBN 13 et ensuite (en dessous) une deuxième entrée page(s) et le no. de la page ou les numéros des pages concernées. Or cela ne me semble pas une manière de procéder correcte et facile (commode), surtout si le livre de référence est cité souvent? Meilleures salutations ~~ <a href="/wiki/User:Kbamert" title="User:Kbamert">Kbamert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kbamert" title="User talk:Kbamert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Kbamert-20241107121500-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kbamert-20241107121500-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kbamert-20241107121500-citation_d'une_page_d'un_livre_sous_références"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hsarrazin-20241108095100-Kbamert-20241107121500"></span>Bonjour <a href="/wiki/User:Kbamert" title="User:Kbamert">Kbamert</a>,</dd> <dd>l'ISBN n'est clairement pas une référence suffisante... car cela nécessite une recherche pour savoir à quoi correspond l'ISBN...</dd> <dd>Si le livre de référence est <i>cité couramment</i>, le plus simple est de <b>créer</b> un élément pour lui...</dd> <dd>il suffira ensuite de sourcer avec "affirmé par" l'élément du livre + n°page <a href="/wiki/Property:P304" title="Property:P304">page(s) <small dir="ltr">(P304)</small></a> :) -> voir par exemple <a href="/wiki/Q17744595" title="Q17744595">La langue plurielle <small>(Q17744595)</small></a> qui a été créé à l'origine pour pouvoir sourcer cet auteur <a href="/wiki/Q17744557" title="Q17744557">Nicanor della Rocca de Vergalo <small>(Q17744557)</small></a> (qui n'était pas encore construit à la Bnf)</dd> <dd>OUI, c'est un peu fastidieux... mais ça en vaut la peine dès qu'on réutilise le livre plus de 3 fois ;)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Sinon, pour un usage unique... outre l'ISBN, il est impératif d'indiquer le titre, l'auteur et l'édition... (éditeur, date) pour que la pagination ait un sens :)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Par ailleurs, si on a la chance que l'ouvrage soit partiellement accessible sur Google Books, le lien vers l'ouvrage est utile à <i>ajouter</i>... <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Hsarrazin-20241108095100-Kbamert-20241107121500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hsarrazin-20241108095100-Kbamert-20241107121500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hsarrazin-20241108095100-Kbamert-20241107121500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kbamert-20241113204500-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span>Bonjour Merci pour la réponse. je vais étudier tout cela! Bonne soirée! ~~ <a href="/wiki/User:Kbamert" title="User:Kbamert">Kbamert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kbamert" title="User talk:Kbamert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Kbamert-20241113204500-Hsarrazin-20241108095100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kbamert-20241113204500-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kbamert-20241113204500-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kbamert-20241113220200-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span>Re-bonjour J'ai crée le livre en suivant le modèle Q17744595 et j'ai consulté vos exemples. Ainsi, je crois que j'ai tout compris ... merci de votre réponse détaillée avec les exemples! Meilleures salutations! ~~ <a href="/wiki/User:Kbamert" title="User:Kbamert">Kbamert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kbamert" title="User talk:Kbamert"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Kbamert-20241113220200-Hsarrazin-20241108095100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kbamert-20241113220200-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kbamert-20241113220200-Hsarrazin-20241108095100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q21683588" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q21683588-20241113065000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q21683588-20241113065000"></span><a href="/wiki/Q21683588" title="Q21683588">Q21683588</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q21683588-20241113065000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmax-20241113065000-Q21683588"></span>Quelqu'un pour démêler l'imbroglio <a href="/wiki/Q21683588" title="Q21683588">École nationale d'horticulture de Versailles <small>(Q21683588)</small></a> et <a href="/wiki/Q3578198" title="Q3578198">École nationale supérieure d'horticulture <small>(Q3578198)</small></a> ? merci <a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax">Jmax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmax" title="User talk:Jmax"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Jmax-20241113065000-Q21683588" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmax-20241113065000-Q21683588"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmax-20241113065000-Q21683588"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241113071000-Jmax-20241113065000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jmax" title="User:Jmax"><bdi>Jmax</bdi></a>: où est l'imbroglio ? même si les deux sujets sont proches et la distinction pas claire, la séparation - elle - me semble plutôt claire. Le premier est pour la période 1874-1961 et le second pour la période après 1961. Les descriptions pourraient sans doute être plus claires. Je notifie les personnes ayant contribué à ces éléments qui pourront peut-être en dire plus : @<a href="/wiki/User:Genium" title="User:Genium"><bdi>Genium</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Marion_Leconte" title="User:Marion Leconte"><bdi>Marion Leconte</bdi></a>:. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-VIGNERON-20241113071000-Jmax-20241113065000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241113071000-Jmax-20241113065000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241113071000-Jmax-20241113065000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mémento_SPARQL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mémento_SPARQL-20241114180200"><span id="M.C3.A9mento_SPARQL"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mémento_SPARQL-20241114180200"></span>Mémento SPARQL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mémento_SPARQL-20241114180200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241114180200-Mémento_SPARQL"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf/page1-70px-SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf.jpg" decoding="async" width="70" height="99" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf/page1-105px-SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf/page1-140px-SPARQL_M%C3%A9mento.pdf.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1239" data-file-height="1752"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Merci pour vos remarques, voici une version remaniée du mémento dont la V1 est pour très bientôt. Je vais voir pour en imprimer un peu et étudier la possibilité de le traduire dès que le contenu sera à peu près figé. <a href="/wiki/User:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User:Pyb en résidence">Pyb en résidence</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User talk:Pyb en résidence"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro/Archive/2024/11#c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241114180200-Mémento_SPARQL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241114180200-Mémento_SPARQL"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241114180200-Mémento_SPARQL"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" 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