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href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-17T11:40:00.000Z">2024-11-17 11:40 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">8 </td> <td><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#File:Marx+Family_and_Engels.jpg">File:Marx+Family and Engels.jpg</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">4 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">3 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Achim55" title="User:Achim55">Achim55</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-20T07:35:00.000Z">2024-11-20 07:35 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">9 </td> <td style="max-width: 22em"><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers">Minimum number of edits for license reviewers</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Abzeronow" title="User:Abzeronow">Abzeronow</a> </td> 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22em"><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Reminder:_Invitation_to_the_upcoming_Commons_Community_Calls_--_November_21,_2024">Reminder: Invitation to the upcoming Commons Community Calls -- November 21, 2024</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;background-color: #fcc;">1 </td> <td style="text-align: right;background-color: #fcc;">1 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-20T10:55:00.000Z">2024-11-20 10:55 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">13 </td> <td style="max-width: 22em"><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Fixing_Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country">Fixing Category:People in the 18th century by country</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">4 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Rudolph_Buch" title="User:Rudolph Buch">Rudolph Buch</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-21T16:54:00.000Z">2024-11-21 16:54 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">14 </td> <td style="max-width: 22em"><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Naming_of_people_in_historical_photographs">Naming of people in historical photographs</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">6 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">3 </td> <td style="background-color: #eef;"><a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> </td> <td style="background-color: #eef;" data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-23T13:23:00.000Z">2024-11-23 13:23 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">15 </td> <td style="max-width: 22em"><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors">Rename proposal for Rail vehicle inward slide doors and Tram inward slide doors</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td style="text-align: right;background-color: 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href="/wiki/User:SSethi_(WMF)" title="User:SSethi (WMF)">SSethi (WMF)</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-21T19:53:00.000Z">2024-11-21 19:53 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">18 </td> <td><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Should_date_of_digitisation_be_retained?">Should date of digitisation be retained?</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" data-sort-value="2024-11-21T23:31:00.000Z">2024-11-21 23:31 </td></tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: right;">19 </td> <td><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Ignoring_edit_requests">Ignoring edit requests</a> </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td style="text-align: right;">2 </td> <td><a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> </td> <td data-sort-type="isoDate" 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title="User:Cewbot/log/20170915/configuration">the setting</a> first. </td></tr> </tbody></table> <table class="floatright"> <tbody><tr> <td><div class="wpImageAnnotatorControl wpImageAnnotatorOff wpImageAnnotatorCaptionOff"><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg/350px-Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg" decoding="async" width="350" height="250" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg/525px-Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg/700px-Ngadisan_Indonesia_Village-pump-01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5167" data-file-height="3691"/></a><figcaption><div style="text-align: justify">People of Ngadisan (Java, Indonesia) are filling their cans at the village pump. The old well is defunct and replaced by a water tap. 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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Treffpunkt.svg/80px-Treffpunkt.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr><th style="background:#ADF; padding:0 5px; font-size:80%;" colspan="3"> See also: <a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals" title="Commons:Village pump/Proposals">Village pump/Proposals</a> ■ <a href="/wiki/Commons:Centralized_discussion/Archive" title="Commons:Centralized discussion/Archive">Archive </a> </th></tr> <tr><td style="padding:0 5px; font-size:90%;" colspan="3"><hr/> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Costumed_character_files" title="Commons:Requests for comment/Costumed character files">Costumed character files</a> (14 October 2024)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Third-party_images_published_by_the_National_Weather_Service" title="Commons:Requests for comment/Third-party images published by the National Weather Service">Third-party images published by the National Weather Service</a> (26 August 2024)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Hosting_of_free_fonts_in_Commons" title="Commons:Requests for comment/Hosting of free fonts in Commons">Commons:Requests for comment/Hosting of free fonts in Commons</a> (18 July 2024)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Categories_of_photographs_by_country_by_date" title="Commons:Requests for comment/Categories of photographs by country by date">How do we organize categories by date</a> (14 May 2024)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:PD-CQ_Roll_Call#Should_this_be_used_for_more_recent_images?" title="Template talk:PD-CQ Roll Call">Should PD-CQ Roll Call be used for recent images?</a> (5 January 2024)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Technical_needs_survey" title="Commons:Requests for comment/Technical needs survey">Technical needs survey</a> (17 December 2023)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/When_does_PDART_apply_to_textile_works" title="Commons:Requests for comment/When does PDART apply to textile works">When does PDART apply to textile works?</a> (15 November 2023)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File_talk:Reeperbahn_on_a_spring_afternoon_2022.jpg#Is_what_is_shown_in_this_image_love_hearts?" title="File talk:Reeperbahn on a spring afternoon 2022.jpg">Does this image contain "love hearts"?</a> (17 August 2023)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2023/06/Category:Wales" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/06/Category:Wales">Definition of country</a> (19 June 2023)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/2022_overhaul_of_categories_by_period" title="Commons:Requests for comment/2022 overhaul of categories by period">Overhaul of categories by period</a> (5 December 2022)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg#RfC:_Version_of_Saudi_flag_to_use" title="File talk:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg">Version of Saudi flag to use</a> (11 July 2022)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Template_talk:KOGL#Non-revocable?" title="Template talk:KOGL">Concern regarding revocability of KOGL licenses</a> (22 December 2021)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:Talk_page_guidelines#RfC:_Revising_the_talk_page_archiving_guideline" title="Commons talk:Talk page guidelines">Should deleting content from your own talk page be forbidden?</a> (11 November 2021)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Sweden#Swedish_FOP?" title="Commons talk:Copyright rules by territory/Sweden">Revise</a> the <a href="/wiki/Commons:FOP_Sweden" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:FOP Sweden">COM:FOP Sweden</a> section (1 February 2021)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#image-reviewer_→_license-reviewer" title="Commons:Village pump/Proposals">Change technical name of LRs to license-reviewer from image-reviewer</a>(2 November 2023)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Copyright#Closure_of_Pétain_Deletion_Discussion" title="Commons:Village pump/Copyright">Was the closure of the deletion discussion concerning the current lede image for Philippe Pétain proper under Commons policy?</a> (22 September 2024)</li></ul> </td></tr><tr><th class="plainlinks nourlexpansion" style="border-top: 1px solid #BBB; background:#EEE; padding:0 5px; font-size:70%;" colspan="3"> Template: <a href="/wiki/Template:Centralized_discussion" title="Template:Centralized discussion">View</a> ■ <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Centralized_discussion" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Centralized discussion">Discuss </a> ■ <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Centralized_discussion&action=edit&editintro=Template:Cent-translation">Edit</a> ■ <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Centralized_discussion&action=watch">Watch</a> </th></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc-top" style="margin-top:1em"><div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#October_14">1 October 14</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-2"><a href="#Google's_semi-censorship_of_Wikimedia_Commons_must_end">1.1 Google's semi-censorship of Wikimedia Commons must end</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#November_12">2 November 12</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4"><a href="#Charts_built_with_OECD_Data">2.1 Charts built with OECD Data</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#November_13">3 November 13</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#Long-term_disputes_on_various_wikis_involving_a_cross-wiki_IP_author">3.1 Long-term disputes on various wikis involving a cross-wiki IP author</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#November_15">4 November 15</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#Audio_files_made_by_Flame,_not_lame">4.1 Audio files made by Flame, not lame</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#November_16">5 November 16</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#Issues_with_interwiki">5.1 Issues with interwiki</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-11"><a href="#Cisgender">5.2 Cisgender</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#November_17">6 November 17</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#Remove_irremovable_parent_categories_from_the_categories">6.1 Remove irremovable parent categories from the categories</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#November_18">7 November 18</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-15"><a href="#File:Marx+Family_and_Engels.jpg">7.1 File:Marx+Family and Engels.jpg</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-16"><a href="#Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers">7.2 Minimum number of edits for license reviewers</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#November_19">8 November 19</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-18"><a href="#Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland">8.1 Tram types and tram doors in Poland</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-19"><a href="#Deletions_by_Android_app_users">8.2 Deletions by Android app users</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#November_20">9 November 20</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-21"><a href="#Reminder:_Invitation_to_the_upcoming_Commons_Community_Calls_--_November_21,_2024">9.1 Reminder: Invitation to the upcoming Commons Community Calls -- November 21, 2024</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-22"><a href="#Fixing_Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country">9.2 Fixing Category:People in the 18th century by country</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#November_21">10 November 21</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-24"><a href="#Naming_of_people_in_historical_photographs">10.1 Naming of people in historical photographs</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-25"><a href="#Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors">10.2 Rename proposal for Rail vehicle inward slide doors and Tram inward slide doors</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-26"><a href="#abuse_filter_142">10.3 abuse filter 142</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-27"><a href="#Sign_up_for_the_language_community_meeting_on_November_29th,_16:00_UTC">10.4 Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-28"><a href="#Should_date_of_digitisation_be_retained?">10.5 Should date of digitisation be retained?</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#November_22">11 November 22</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-30"><a href="#Ignoring_edit_requests">11.1 Ignoring edit requests</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-31"><a href="#Preposition,_the,_proper_noun">11.2 Preposition, the, proper noun</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-32"><a href="#dvidshub_tool_or_trick">11.3 dvidshub tool or trick</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#November_23">12 November 23</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-34"><a href="#Interesting_article_on_a_photog_who_allows_use_of_his_work,_free,_under_a_CC_licence">12.1 Interesting article on a photog who allows use of his work, free, under a CC licence</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#November_24">13 November 24</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-36"><a href="#Where_to_offer_help_with_photos_in_Stockholm?">13.1 Where to offer help with photos in Stockholm?</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="toc-bottom" style="clear:both;margin-bottom:.5em"></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r916187265">.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section{margin-bottom:0.4em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);color:var(--color-base,#202122);width:100%}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section.ars-hide{display:none}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section .ars-icon{padding:2px;width:34px}.mw-parser-output .autoarchive-resolved-section .ars-tracking{display:none}.mw-parser-output .autoarchiv-erledigt-fehler strong{color:red}</style> <table id="autoarchiv-erledigt-baustein" class="autoarchive-resolved-section ars-hide layouttemplate" dir="ltr" lang="en"> <tbody><tr> <td class="ars-icon"><figure 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days. </td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> <td> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="October_14" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_14-20241014154200">October 14</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Google's_semi-censorship_of_Wikimedia_Commons_must_end" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google's_semi-censorship_of_Wikimedia_Commons_must_end-October_14-20241014154200">Google's semi-censorship of Wikimedia Commons must end</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Please see <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Do_something_about_Google_%26_DuckDuckGo_search_not_indexing_media_files_and_categories_on_Commons" class="extiw" title="meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons">meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons</a>. I think we can and should do something about Google not indexing most files (including all videos) and category pages on Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241014154200-Google's_semi-censorship_of_Wikimedia_Commons_must_end" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It is a private company and if not violating the law, they can do whatever (...) they want. If they choose to ignore stuff on commons - that´s fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241014200200-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I was not saying it's illegal. That may be fine according to law. I wonder if it's fine to Commons that users' contributions are just blacked out and not available to people. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241014213900-Alexpl-20241014200200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Huge filesizes for photos are a cost factor when it comes to processing and are almost never worth it anyway. I dont blame them from not wanting photos with the megabytes in the three digits to show up, whenever somebody types in a generic searchterm. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241015141300-Prototyperspective-20241014213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This seems offtopic. 1. Most files on WMC are not many MBs large and this is not about some particular few large files. 2. It only shows gstatic thumbnails in Google Search, not the whole image, and it's the same for DDG and other search engines. It's absurd to argue that Google's storage or processing would have notable issues that out of the millions of indexed website makes WMC one whose media is not findable. You can of course defend anti-WMC practices – despite that I don't understand why Commons contributors could be supportive of that – but this point does not make sense, partly because this isn't about the <0.1% of WMC files that are large image files to begin with. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241015143300-Alexpl-20241015141300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is not the first time I have seen you try to dismiss comments with which you disagree as "off topic", when they are not. Please do not so that. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pigsonthewing-20241015154600-Prototyperspective-20241015143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I said it seems offtopic and I did notdismiss the comment but address it comprehensively. When I say it seems offtopic that is for example because I may have misunderstood it and/or the user may want to clarify how it would be ontopic. I do wonder why you're so super sensitive about me using the word offtopic. The user did say something but did not explain how it relates to this subject and clarifying that with clear language is I think more constructive than beating around the bush. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241015164100-Pigsonthewing-20241015154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>There already is a thumbnail for every file here anyway so not even any need to create any anew. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241015153000-Alexpl-20241015141300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>See also <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Do_something_about_Google_%26_DuckDuckGo_search_not_indexing_media_files_and_categories_on_Commons" class="extiw" title="meta:Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons">meta:Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pigsonthewing-20241014204100-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>There is a commercial interest in steering the search results to commercial and social websites. These generate clicks, not the commons. I do have the impression that Google is much more interested in SDC of files than the Commons categories. Every effort should be made to fill in the <a href="/w/index.php?title=P:P180&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="P:P180 (page does not exist)">P:P180</a>. Google certainly uses the labels in Wikidata as datafeed for the search engines. Also used for educating the translation software.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241015101200-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Wikipedia itself is indexed rather highly on Google search results though. And it does index images that are used in Wikipedia articles, but this treatment isn't extended to the other Wikimedia projects. (I can't speak for other media files however). <a href="/wiki/User:ReneeWrites" title="User:ReneeWrites">ReneeWrites</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReneeWrites" title="User talk:ReneeWrites">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-ReneeWrites-20241015182600-Smiley.toerist-20241015101200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes Wikipedia is, but not Commons, the second largest Wikimedia project with a type of content that lots of people are interested in, watch and search for (media of all kinds). It does not index any video on here (at least in my tests I could not find any so far even when searching for the exact title) and images I think are only indexed when they're used in Wikipedia articles and even then often missing from the main results. One part of the proposal is systematic tests/investigations so there is some data on this. I think overall the indexing is pretty bad even when one is searching for a subject that WMC has lots of high quality contents and other image results that are shown are fairly low-quality. One could also focus on the videos. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241015203200-ReneeWrites-20241015182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Google often indexes images that are not in a Wikipedia article. I find plenty if I do specifically an image search. But it doesn't tend to list pages that are mainly an image in its general results, so Commons image pages often don't show in the result if you do a general Google search. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241016051100-Prototyperspective-20241015203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Rarely it does, but indexing a random tiny subset of files doesn't change anything about the issue and only makes it harder to notice this. I did not find plenty of images for prior searches I did where I then either used an image not from WMC despite that I know WMC has at least as good images well-organized or used the WMC search. Again, investigations are the first step of what is proposed so maybe you could share your searches. Images certainly shouldn't show up in the general search results (well nearly always) – I made it clear that this is about the Images and Videos tabs of these sites...only when it comes to category pages is this about the general search results. I currently don't have many good examples. Things I searched for (those may not be the best examples) I think included roughly <code><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rivers+from+space&udm=2">Rivers from space</a></code> and <code><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Algae+blooms+from+space&udm=2">Algae blooms from space</a></code> and <code><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Satellite+picture+of+cities+at+night&udm=2">Satellite picture of cities at night</a></code>. This is not about Google&DDG not indexing any files on WMC. Please let me know if that should be clearer in the proposal. It is about them indexing only very few images (and those are not even the most relevant or best) when it should be many (e.g. in searches where WMC has lots of good-organized files), not showing nearly all categories in the results and not indexing any videos. Maybe it should be clearer that isn't necessarily all Google's fault – the investigations may reveal things Wikimedia community & tech could do to improve its inclusion in external search results – however such steps depend on investigations and don't mean step 2 & 3 are invalid, other things could follow up on that step in addition and shape these two. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241016113000-Jmabel-20241016051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Colourpicture+Publishers&oq=Colourpicture+Publishers&gs%20lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjEyNjgwN2owajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8">Colourpicture Publishers</a>. There isn't that many results to begin with, but maybe it's at the top because the category has a description that contains the companies name in it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Adamant1-20241018012100-Prototyperspective-20241016113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><ul><li>Yes, that's the kind of investigations I'm proposing are done large scale and in systematic ways (and well visibly e.g. published in <a href="https://diff.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="diffblog:">diff</a>) so we can identify cases that are well indexed, find out why, and identify cases that should be well-indexed but aren't and so on.</li></ul></dd> <dd>It could be that it's at the top because it contains a long descriptive category description – which most cats however don't really need because the category title is self-explanatory – as well as an infobox with all sorts of data. It's not unlikely also because there's few other websites with info on that subject, especially not recent ones that are linked from other pages. As a result of findings like your example, one could for example conduct tests (and/or check the theory via the dataset) whether it's the company's name in the description that caused the cat to show up this high or the description and consider things like adding category-descriptions (partly automatically via WP article leads and/or Wikidata item description). An open letter doesn't have to be as provocative and confrontational as the title of this thread, one could nicely ask Google & Co to improve their results by considering specific things or identified requested changes. Relevant to that is that Google & Co heavily make use of Wikimedia content in <a href="/wiki/File:Models_of_high-quality_language_data_%E2%80%93_(a)_Composition_of_high-quality_datasets_-_The_Pile_(left),_PaLM_(top-right),_MassiveText_(bottom-right).png" title="File:Models of high-quality language data – (a) Composition of high-quality datasets - The Pile (left), PaLM (top-right), MassiveText (bottom-right).png">all sorts</a> of ways but this isn't about fairly giving back (some media attention however could be due to that and reference that): it would be about them improving their search results for everyone so it shows media or pages that the person searching would likely find useful (e.g. via considering how many files and how many Wikipedia-used files are contained in the category). (When it comes to videos however it seems like purposeful exclusion.) <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241018082400-Adamant1-20241018012100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Google clearly does take these images into account. I looked up a handful of terms:</dd></dl> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed skin-invert" style="clear:both;margin:2px auto;background:#FFF;color:#222;border:1px solid #AAA;padding:1px;width:100%"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="font-size:88%;background:#F0F2F5;border:none;color:#000;padding:0 .2em;text-align:center">Google Images searches </th></tr> <tr> <td class="mw-collapsible-content" style="font-size:88%;border:none;padding:0;"><ul><li><code>hubble extreme deep field</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>pando tree</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>tokyo tower</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>african renaissance monument</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>burj khalifa</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>gutenberg bible</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>ka'ba</code> (7 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>michelangelo david</code> (3 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mount denali</code> (3 top results from WMF projects and 1 from Wikiwand, which mirrors Wikipedia)</li><li><code>keyboard</code> (0 top results from WMF projects. In this case, it gave me stores near me to buy keyboards, which makes perfect sense, if you ask me.)</li><li><code>hurricane milton</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>vladimir putin</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mitochondrion</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>october revolution</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>northern lights</code> (0 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>train</code> (3 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>barcelona</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mesopotamia</code> (2 top results from WMF projects) </li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table>If you narrow your search to CC images, you get more from Flickr and Commons: <table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed skin-invert" style="clear:both;margin:2px auto;background:#FFF;color:#222;border:1px solid #AAA;padding:1px;width:100%"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" style="font-size:88%;background:#F0F2F5;border:none;color:#000;padding:0 .2em;text-align:center">Google Images searches - Narrowed to Creative Commons </th></tr> <tr> <td class="mw-collapsible-content" style="font-size:88%;border:none;padding:0;"><ul><li><code>hubble extreme deep field</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>pando tree</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>tokyo tower</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>african renaissance monument</code> (6 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>burj khalifa</code> (7 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>gutenberg bible</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>ka'ba</code> (5 top results from WMF projects, decreased)</li><li><code>michelangelo david</code> (6 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mount denali</code> (3 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>keyboard</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>hurricane milton</code> (1 top result from WMF projects)</li><li><code>vladimir putin</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mitochondrion</code> (16(!) top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>october revolution</code> (1 top result from WMF projects, decreased)</li><li><code>northern lights</code> (3 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>train</code> (4 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>barcelona</code> (2 top results from WMF projects)</li><li><code>mesopotamia</code> (5 top results from WMF projects) </li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table>I don't believe there even is a problem. Sure, results from WMF projects are only 1 or 2 in many cases, but: <dl><dd><ol><li>it's not like there was any other site that did have a majority of the top results</li> <li>you can improve them by searching for CC content</li> <li>Wikipedia was almost always in the results, even if they didn't have a majority in the top images (which there's no reason it should, might I add). I can't say the same about other results I saw, like Britannica, NatGeo, Adobe Stock, etc.</li></ol></dd> <dd>Google is showing results from Wikipedia, Commons, and even smaller projects like Wikispecies and Wikivoyage, at times .I wouldn't put it past them that they're prioritizing commercial and social sites that run Google Ads (purely speculation from my part, don't take my word for it), but I find it hard to believe that they're straight up censoring, shadowbanning, or otherwise limiting results from WMF projects. <a href="/wiki/User:Rub%C3%BD%C3%B1" title="User:Rubýñ">Rubýñ</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rub%C3%BD%C3%B1" title="User talk:Rubýñ">(Scold)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rubýñ-20241015172100-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I haven't repeated all the searches to test this, but with the ones I did I only got 1 result from WMF, and it was the image in the infobox of the Wikipedia article about the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:ReneeWrites" title="User:ReneeWrites">ReneeWrites</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReneeWrites" title="User talk:ReneeWrites">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-ReneeWrites-20241015202900-Rubýñ-20241015172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>I personally use Ecosia to search things and I often just type in something in Ecosia rather than search it here because I am too lazy to use the convoluted Wikimedia internal search method (yes, using external websites to find something is oftentimes easy than the internal "search" engines on Wikimedia websites), but I noticed that in the past few months Ecosia has been suppressing non-Wikipedia Wikimedia websites more, now, this seems to coincide with the switch where Ecosia now mixes in Google Search search results with those from Microsoft Bing, before this change Ecosia exclusively used Microsoft Bing and while I've used Microsoft Bing as my main search enginge since 2011~2012'ish, I switched to Ecosia a couple of years ago (after I saw one of their advertisements on Google YouTube) and I occasionally compare it with Google Search and other search engines. Judging by the fact that Google Search suppresses Wikimedia Commons and Microsoft Bing does this to a lesser extent I assume that this likely is a deliberate choice by those companies. But it could probably also be something internal at Wikimedia websites as all non-article space pages at Wikipedia are also excluded from search engines (meaning that someone cannot find any Wikipedia policy pages unless someone looks for them within Wikipedia, which I've always found to be a rather odd choice).</li></ul> <dl><dd>Now, we know that Google Search, Microsoft Bing, Ecosia, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo! Search, Etc. all heavily rely on Wikidata, perhaps <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Creating_new_Wikidata_items_for_all_Commons_categories">linking all Wikimedia Commons category pages with Wikidata items</a> might help integrate this website better with search engines, if you think about it, the exclusion of the Wikimedia Commons is exclusively the exclusion of the Wikimedia Commons, I have no trouble finding results from the Wiktionary or Wikivoyage, which probably means that the integration between Wikidata and other Wikimedia websites helps them. Now, I know that "SEO" is considered "a curse word among Wikimedians", but if we want the Wikimedia Commons to show up in search results we most likely do need to link to Wikidata and properly use redirects, alternative titles, translations, Etc. in a way that makes sense. For example, if you search for alternative titles on Wikipedia you get them, like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://archive.today/2024.10.19-184821/https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=Communist+Germany&addon=opensearch">"Communist Germany" in a search enginge</a> you'll find the DDR because <a class="external text" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communist_Germany&redirect=no&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile">"Communist Germany" is a redirect at Wikipedia</a>. Meanwhile, we tend to have highly specific titles and redirects are typically deleted. But my guess is that the main culprit is the lack of Wikidata integration at the Wikimedia Commons, I wonder if files with more optimised structured data also show up in search engine results more as these are dependent on Wikidata items. Alternatively, we could compare if categories with or without Wikidata integration show up more in internet search enginges. --<a href="/wiki/User:Donald_Trung" title="User:Donald Trung">Donald Trung 『徵國單』</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Donald_Trung" title="User talk:Donald Trung">No Fake News 💬</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Commons:WikiProject_Numismatics" title="Commons:WikiProject Numismatics">WikiProject Numismatics</a> 💴) (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nl:Gebruiker:Donald_Trung/Mijn_werk_%F0%9F%8F%A2" class="extiw" title="w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢">Articles 📚</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Donald_Trung-20241019185200-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for this interesting info contribution. <ul><li>Comparing indexing results between search engines like so and across time (especially after algorithms were reported to be changed albeit it's often probably not announced) could help identify causes and potential mitigation measures.</li> <li>I never noticed or thought about search engines not indexing policy and meta pages of Wikimedia sites (nonWMC), if so that's also I think something that would be good to be changed if possible. For example, new editors or readers may search for these with a search engine instead of the internal one. If they searched for a meta/help pages on Commons it's often quite possible they can't find it because they don't show up in the search results even when in the MediaSearch' Categories and Pages tab (<a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Media_search#Suggestions_for_improvement_/_issues" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons talk:Structured data/Media search">issue #8 here</a>).</li> <li>[Google & Co] all heavily rely on Wikidata that good integration with Wikidata is a cause for SE indexing or good indexing and that improving that integration are two hypotheses that could be tested. I do not think this is the case much because category pages that are linked to Wikidata items also do not show up and only a tiny sub < 0,01% of files are used in Wikidata items or usable there while most items are somewhere underneath a category that is linked to Wikidata item. I think 'it's not linked to a Wikidata item' or 'it doesn't have structured data depicts statements' would be not much more than false excuses (not necessarily deliberate) for not indexing and I don't see why it would rely on / require it / why it should be expected. Moreover, some categories should probably be well-indexed without being linked to a Wikidata item or linking such would be inappropriate or at least can't be done at scale(?) – e.g. <a href="/wiki/Category:Drone_videos" title="Category:Drone videos">Category:Drone videos</a> with lots of organized content can't even be found in DuckDuckGo when searching for <code>drone videos wiki</code> (btw I think it should also show up high for searches like <code>free drone videos</code>). The linked proposal however is interesting but I have doubts this can be done both at scale and affects the SE much. Data suggesting such as has any significant effect is also missing. So I don't think it would solve this, e.g. videos on WMC still don't show up in the videos tab and many large categories are already linked.</li> <li>and properly use redirects, alternative titles, translations, Etc. in a way that makes sense Agree. One option is to sync ENWP redirects of items to WMC so WMC has the same redirects [ie a tool for doing so]. Another is <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Add_machine_translated_category_titles_on_WMC" class="extiw" title="meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Add machine translated category titles on WMC">Adding machine translated category titles</a> and this could also be implemented via redirects and be extended to category descriptions. This however is another case that I don't think should be required for the pages to show up in search results but only improve them. It's possible that this would solve this even if it shouldn't be that way due to how pages are ranked. Note that this may require that the category page is an actual url with an actual title and not not the same url with some Javascript dynamically changing the title depending on the user language. Another option of creating redirects of translated titles – <a href="/wiki/Category:Tiere" title="Category:Tiere">Category:Tiere</a> (de; only plural form not <a href="/wiki/Category:Tier" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Tier">singular</a>) currently redirects to <a href="/wiki/Category:Animals" title="Category:Animals">Category:Animals</a> – can't be done at scale and may cause issues (such as HotCat autocompletes).</li> <li>In any case such comparison data would be great even if it's just a small factor (I doubt it's the main culprit for the plural indexing issues).</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241019200300-Donald_Trung-20241019185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>From everything I've been able to tell, Google does index pages in "Commons" space. For example, do a Google search on "structured data commons" (no quotes). - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241020164300-Prototyperspective-20241019200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, this is known, e.g. the intro already is about "most" files, not "all" files as well as results' ranking/findability. I've yet got to see a WMC video in the videos tab however. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241020164600-Jmabel-20241020164300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry I misunderstood your comment Jmabel – it's addressing point #2 and you're right on that.</dd> <dd>Some examples of low-views useful major categories below. Please comment if anybody knows more in regards to why Videos on WMC are not showing in the Videos tab of Google, DuckDuckGo, etc. Maybe one could ask them or see if there's any other large websites whose videos are not shown there (and why).</dd> <dd><ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Our World in Data"><img alt="Category:Our World in Data" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Our_World_in_Data%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="778"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data" title="Category:Our World in Data">Category:Our World in Data</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Sustainable transport"><img alt="Category:Sustainable transport" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Sustainable_transport%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="781"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Sustainable_transport" title="Category:Sustainable transport">Category:Sustainable transport</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Science"><img alt="Category:Science" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Science%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="781"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Science" title="Category:Science">Category:Science</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Drone videos"><img alt="Category:Drone videos" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Drone_videos%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="774"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Drone_videos" title="Category:Drone videos">Category:Drone videos</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Time-lapse videos"><img alt="Category:Time-lapse videos" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Time-lapse_videos%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="785"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Time-lapse_videos" title="Category:Time-lapse videos">Category:Time-lapse videos</a></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 135px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 130px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_(search_engine_indexing_issues)_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Category:Audio files of music"><img alt="Category:Audio files of music" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png/100px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png/150px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png/200px-Example_of_useful_Commons_category_with_typical_low_pageviews_%28search_engine_indexing_issues%29_%E2%80%93_%27Audio_files_of_music%27.png 2x" data-file-width="1527" data-file-height="781"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="/wiki/Category:Audio_files_of_music" title="Category:Audio files of music">Category:Audio files of music</a></div> </li> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241026172300-Prototyperspective-20241020164600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The 14th most viewed page and the second most viewed category on Commons <a class="external autonumber" href="https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/commons.wikimedia.org/reading/top-viewed-articles/normal%7Ctable%7Clast-month%7C(access)~desktop*mobile-app*mobile-web%7Cmonthly">[1]</a> in also a video category <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=commons.wikimedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2020-01-01&end=2024-10-19&pages=Category:Videos_of_penile-vaginal_intercourse">[2]</a>. Views on all Commons pages are quit low there is nothing special with videos on Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:GPSLeo" title="User:GPSLeo">GPSLeo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPSLeo" title="User talk:GPSLeo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-GPSLeo-20241026191300-Prototyperspective-20241026172300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, even Commons pages with most view get few views which is consistent with the problem description in the proposal. I did not suggest there was something special with videos except that none of them are shown in and indexed in the videos tab of the search engines. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241026192900-GPSLeo-20241026191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>It's a good thing, if Google keeps us a relative secret. This is a databank for a select audience, that’s hopefully using items for creating content, or research. It's not a social media website for easy access to every airhead in creation, we don't need the level of vandalism, that would surely follow.</dd> <dd>As a matter of fact, we scavenge off commercial websites, without them, we would have limited access to new materiel. It would be detrimental, to attempt to replace them, no good would come of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Broichmore" title="User:Broichmore">Broichmore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Broichmore" title="User talk:Broichmore">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Broichmore-20241029122600-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Even for "select audience" it's known, used and discoverable far too little. They also use the Videos tab for example. Moreover, I do not agree with this elitism. Free media and free knowledge is about society overall not some very small group. With increased use, there would also be increased contributors who watch pages and Wikipedia is used much more and is not overrun by vandalism, it probably doesn't increase linearly with increased public use and even if it would there can be and are technological means to detect vandalism. The site would not replace commercial websites even if far more popular. I do not agree that we scavenge off these either. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241029125400-Broichmore-20241029122600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>So, to wrap this up: you want to upload stuff on Commons and have it shown in google´s services in a predictable way. This would only make sense for either advertising or some sort of campaigning and that is "no bueno". <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241030154300-Prototyperspective-20241029125400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No this doesn't wrap it up at all and it's entirely unrelated to advertising or some sort of ad-like campaigning. It's also not about a "predictable way". <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241030160300-Alexpl-20241030154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241031183000-Prototyperspective-20241030160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Its to bad the Phabricator ticket is stalled out. It doesn't seem like anything else can be done about it outside of that though. --<a href="/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Adamant1-20241031191500-Alexpl-20241031183000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I named three specific things in the linked proposal. These things can be done. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241031211100-Adamant1-20241031191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure, but I was specifically referring to this discussion. Not suggestions you've made in other proposals. Can anything be done about it in this conversation? Probably not. Can things be done about in other conversations or places? Maybe. But I'm not replying to someone else in another conversation now am I? --<a href="/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Adamant1-20241031213400-Prototyperspective-20241031211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I don't think it's appropriate (let alone necessary) to make assumptions about why someone would support this initiative, especially if those assumptions are going to be bad ones. For my part I just like the information I add to these projects (whether this is Commons or Wikipedia itself) to be findable, but the difference between how the Google search engine treats these two projects is night and day. <a href="/wiki/User:ReneeWrites" title="User:ReneeWrites">ReneeWrites</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReneeWrites" title="User talk:ReneeWrites">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-ReneeWrites-20241103155700-Alexpl-20241030154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Regardless of the effect size, I doubt we can do much about this directly. The search-engine market is far less competitive than it appears; almost all search engines have Google, Microsoft Bing, or the PRC government behind their backends (see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:List of search engines">Wikipedia:List of search engines</a>). There are also serious obstacles to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/market_entry" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:market entry">market entry</a>, like Cloudflare prohibiting even medium-sized search engines from crawling and indexing the pages they host. So search engine backends wield a lot of oligopoly power, whether they want to or not.</dd> <dd>I'd suggest our most effective move would be to make Commons pages more visible through more specialized, non-oligopoly search tools. For instance, we could make all Commons videos available on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:PeerTube">PeerTube</a>, a decentralized, ActivityPub-federating video platform. This would make them searchable through <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sepiasearch.org/">Sepia Search</a>. It would also make it possible to download large videos from Commons (which fails often enough that I've given up on it) and make downloading videos faster. We could also reach out to new market entrants like Mojeek.</dd> <dd>We could also raise our profile directly, for instance by encouraging professional groups to use Commons (academics, journalists, people distributing public health information...). Explain that they can be contributors, users of existing content, and requesters of custom content at our graphics labs. Train librarians. Train students. That sort of thing.</dd> <dd>Oh, and we could urge regulatory action to increase competition in the market. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HLHJ-20241110161600-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And how much would that be? To handle that sort of traffic costs more money - for very little benefit to the average user. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241110162800-HLHJ-20241110161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>PeerTube is peer-to-peer, designed to keep bandwidth costs down. You can run a server on a desktop computer, like a torrent. Certainly the WMF can afford servers, their main expense is salaries. We could expect new users of our content, because it would make our media available on all ActivityPub-federating platforms, like Mastodon, Pixelfed, etc.. Making content available to new users benefits them and is our basic goal; making knowledge available, to everyone. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HLHJ-20241111024700-Alexpl-20241110162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Yes, not much but some things. I listed some of those things, I'll repeat two: 1. doing systematic research and compiling a dataset 2. writing an open letter with some publicity via WMF. The obstacles to market entry are very interesting, did not know about that cloudflare thing, and things like this could be addressed by digital policy if it was known etc. PeerTube integration could be useful for scaling / reducing server load and large files but I don't think it's helpful here except maybe as an option of what could be done if search engines better index videos and that causes server loads. I never had any issues with downloading videos from WMC. I find <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_search_engine" class="extiw" title="w:Distributed search engine">Distributed search engines</a> like YaCy interesting but things related to these is not really addressing this issue for probably the next 10 years. The suggestion about proactively reaching out to potential contributors is good but it also wouldn't address this issue – it doesn't improve the indexing and public use/awareness of the site, and how do you explain them why they should contribute here if their media nearly don't get any views? I think whatever reasons people have for contributing to Commons like public education or organizing free media drastically reduce in meaning if the site simply doesn't get used. Most files here are not used in Wikipedias and the file organization, searchability, descriptions, etc are all not relevant if this site is just for hosting files that Internet users can find and make use of when they happen to read the Wikipedia article it's used in. I think before reaching out to potential especially valuable contributors (PEVC?), we should work on solving the problem of the site's use/value/popularity/awareness. I think there's two approaches: <ul><li>developments and digital policy activity to enable better (e.g. more neutrality and possibly less misinfo-spewing without any warning tags) alternatives (broader)</li> <li>all sorts of activity (including digital policy activity but this may not be key or needed here) to improve the few search engines used in the real world (Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo) toward better inclusion of Commons (more impactful, easier, and more immediate)</li></ul></dd> <dd>If there was an open letter, I think it would probably be good to include some info about the first point but probably more as some sort of supporting context for why the few search engines should index the site & include its contents (eg in the Video tab) better. Maybe this could also boost some activity in regards to developing / helping the development of better alternatives but this is more (or better kept to be) about a real-world-pragmatic thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241110172600-HLHJ-20241110161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The simplest regulatory method for increasing competition is to make crawl data public. Crawling the web takes massive amounts of time and energy, and there is no objective need for each search engine company to do its own crawl. But big crawls cost millions, so no-one wants to share their expensive asset. It's a huge waste.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-02-14/google-news-media-bargaining-code-build-search-engine/13143582">[3]</a></dd> <dd>"Contribute so I can use your images on Wikipedia" works. "Search because there are good images you can use here" also works. A copy-paste html code snippet for embedding an image in your website might help. I'd also like better video transcript-making tools, a semi-automated process like OCR on Wikisource, so I don't spend all my time typing out timings. We have an advantage in manual transcripts.</dd> <dd>I just think the chance of major search engines saying "Thank you for your open letter. We'd never thought to make Commons more visible! We should do that!" are nil. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HLHJ-20241111030100-Prototyperspective-20241110172600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for explaining and interesting link. What do you think of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Crawl" class="extiw" title="w:Common Crawl">Common Crawl</a> in that regard then, maybe what you proposed could be achieved by improving that existing project? "Contribute so I can use your images on Wikipedia" works. "Search… what are you referring to there? I don't see how it relates to my prior comment and I don't really understand it. A copy-paste html code snippet for embedding an image in your website might help. if you mean images on Commons on other websites how images are embedded varies per website and there already is a button that shows "Embed this file" HTML when you click on "Use this file" (it just doesn't show on mobile). video transcript-making tools agree – please take a look at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/A_tool_for_auto-transcription_to_speed_up_the_creation_of_TimedTexts_subtitles_for_videos_on_Commons" class="extiw" title="meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/A tool for auto-transcription to speed up the creation of TimedTexts subtitles for videos on Commons">my proposal for that here</a>. I just think the chance of major search engines saying "[…]" are nil. I don't think so – there is a chance they want to maintain good reputation, good standing with the community, or there is media reporting about this (media/public pressure) which is especially relevant as these search engines benefit heavily from Wikipedia (even more so with latest AI developments) so shouldn't be doing this. If nothing happens what is there to lose to at least try, and it would raise awareness of this issue and maybe boost some alternative approaches that address it (including novel search engines etc). <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241119200300-HLHJ-20241111030100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, I was saying people do use Commons in response to learning that it has useful content; perhaps a bit off-topic. I hadn't seen that "Embed this file file". PeerTube was actually a suggestion for getting indexed by a novel search engine, because it has a native search engine. I like the transcription-tool proposal; I tried to transcribe <a href="/wiki/File:B%C3%A4uerliche_Leinenweberei_-_4._Die_Herstellung_von_Leinwand.webm" title="File:Bäuerliche Leinenweberei - 4. Die Herstellung von Leinwand.webm">this excellent series documenting the last economic European home weaving</a>, but it took forever. I can't imagine an AI tool would correctly register the German dialect, but if it got the timings, that would save me maybe 3/4 of the time (actually, a way to play videos at double or triple speed would also be a great help). The proposal at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/Do_something_about_Google_%26_DuckDuckGo_search_not_indexing_media_files_and_categories_on_Commons" class="extiw" title="meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons">Meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/Do something about Google & DuckDuckGo search not indexing media files and categories on Commons</a> seems to be a duplicate of <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Wishes/(Commons)_file_description_pages_should_be_indexable_by_(Google)_search" class="extiw" title="meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/(Commons) file description pages should be indexable by (Google) search">Meta:Community Wishlist/Wishes/(Commons) file description pages should be indexable by (Google) search</a>. I'd suggest collaborating with the other editor, <a href="/wiki/User:TheDJ" title="User:TheDJ">TheDJ</a>, to merge them; TheDJ has a good description of the problem, technically detailed and unarguably-phrased. I agree that mentioning both the major backends, Google and Bing (DuckduckGo uses Bing) is a good idea, and I'd suggest also making sure we get well-indexed by CommonCrawl (which I hadn't heard of, thank you); probably easier and possibly, long-term, higher-importance than Google and Bing. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HLHJ-20241123031700-Prototyperspective-20241119200300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Those two proposals are very different and I hoped you would have looked into it more. For example, the second assumes to know what the cause of this is. If you don't try the method I showed you, you won't know how well it transcribes the documentary. PeerTube indexing is not really relevant as that is not what the subject of this thread is about (and also a very small userbase). CommonCrawl seems only relevant to the issue of alternative search engines but not indexing by Google & DuckDuckGo & Bing. No idea why you think getting indexed by CommonCrawl would be more important than Google. I'm not sure anymore if you understood what this thread is about. It's not about alternative search engines. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241123223000-HLHJ-20241123031700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>"Should," yes. "Can," well that's a whole other task. The decline of Google search into surfacing spam and AI slop over legitimate content has been extensively reported on this year, and while it would be great if we could singlehandedly un-enshittify Google search it is a problem much bigger than Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:Gnomingstuff" title="User:Gnomingstuff">Gnomingstuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gnomingstuff" title="User talk:Gnomingstuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Gnomingstuff-20241113002500-Prototyperspective-20241014154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See also <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54647">this phab ticket</a> (also in margin, no inline template?). We mess up our end, too. <div class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r914379029">.mw-parser-output .tracked{float:right;clear:right;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#999);border-radius:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive,#eee);font-size:85%;text-align:center;padding:0.5em;margin-left:1em;margin-bottom:1em;width:12em;color:var(--color-emphasized,black)}.mw-parser-output .tracked p{margin:0}.mw-parser-output .tracked-url{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status,.mw-parser-output .tracked-status{font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status.resolved,.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}.mw-parser-output .tracked .status.critical,.mw-parser-output .tracked-critical{color:red;font-size:1.5em}</style>Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54647" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T54647">Task T54647</a> </div></dd> <dd>Trying to make a search algorithm distinguish content written by a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Language_Model" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Large Language Model">Large Language Model</a> seems like an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:AI-complete">AI-hard problem</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HLHJ-20241114044400-Gnomingstuff-20241113002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_12" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_12-20241112113400">November 12</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Charts_built_with_OECD_Data" data-mw-thread-id="h-Charts_built_with_OECD_Data-November_12-20241112113400">Charts built with OECD Data</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, I have created an updated version of this chart: <a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tax_revenue_as_a_percentage_of_GDP_(1985-2014).png">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tax_revenue_as_a_percentage_of_GDP_(1985-2014).png</a> It depicts data from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?lc=en&df%5Bds%5D=DisseminateArchiveDMZ&df%5Bid%5D=DF_DP_LIVE&df%5Bag%5D=OECD&df%5Bvs%5D=&av=true&pd=1975%2C2022&dq=.TAXREV..PC_GDP.A&to%5BTIME_PERIOD%5D=false&vw=ov&ly%5Bcl%5D=TIME_PERIOD&ly%5Brw%5D=LOCATION">OECD Data Explorer</a>. According to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.oecd.org/en/about/oecd-open-by-default-policy.html">https://www.oecd.org/en/about/oecd-open-by-default-policy.html</a> this data - which was published before before 1 July 2024 - is "generally available for commercial and non-commercial purposes on terms similar to CC BY 4.0." The Terms & Conditions linked state: <blockquote> You must give appropriate credit to the OECD by using the citation associated with the relevant Data, or, if no specific citation is available, you must cite the source information using the following format: OECD (year), (dataset name),(data source) DOI or URL (accessed on (date)). When sharing or licensing work created using the Data, you agree to include the same acknowledgment requirement in any sub-licenses that you grant, along with the requirement that any further sub-licensees do the same. </blockquote> How would i correctly label this work in the upload wizard? It contains the work of others (the data by OECD), but it is not licensed under one of the free licenses (only a "similar" one). Is it enough to label the data as licensed under a free license, publish under CC BY 4.0 and add a source in the summary? — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:Signatures" title="Commons:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <bdi><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aryezz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aryezz (page does not exist)">Aryezz</a></bdi> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aryezz" title="User talk:Aryezz">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aryezz" title="Special:Contributions/Aryezz">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Aryezz-20241112113400-Charts_built_with_OECD_Data" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Is it enough to label the data as licensed under a free license, publish under CC BY 4.0 and add a source in the summary? I think the answer is yes.</dd> <dd>Moreover, I'd be interested in whether one is required to use data that is explicitly PD/CCBY for charts – I think one could also use other data for the creation of datagraphics as long as the image is CCBY (eg due to being self-made). <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241112184700-Aryezz-20241112113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Aryezz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Aryezz (page does not exist)">Aryezz</a>, yes, as Prototyperspective says, data by itself <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://datamanagement.hms.harvard.edu/share-publish/intellectual-property">is not copyrightable</a>. As long as only the data and not its original presentation, format, style or literal wording are used, data can be taken even from completely non-free sources (let's say, for example, Encyclopædia Britannica). <a href="/wiki/User:MGeog2022" title="User:MGeog2022">MGeog2022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MGeog2022" title="User talk:MGeog2022">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-MGeog2022-20241117143500-Prototyperspective-20241112184700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You must give appropriate credit to the OECD</dd> <dd>By this, they are meaning that you should mention OECD as the origin of the data. Even if they try to place additional restritions on the usage of publicly availble data, I doubt it can have any legal validity. For example, if in a non-freely licensed publication you say that country X has a population of 1 million, you can't restrict third parties from using that information in any way they want, even if you try to put those kind of restrictions in a written form. I believe the only exception to this would be confidential information. <a href="/wiki/User:MGeog2022" title="User:MGeog2022">MGeog2022</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MGeog2022" title="User talk:MGeog2022">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-MGeog2022-20241117144100-MGeog2022-20241117143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_13" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_13-20241113174600">November 13</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Long-term_disputes_on_various_wikis_involving_a_cross-wiki_IP_author" data-mw-thread-id="h-Long-term_disputes_on_various_wikis_involving_a_cross-wiki_IP_author-November_13-20241113174600">Long-term disputes on various wikis involving a cross-wiki IP author</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> There are numerous disputes involving an IP user indulging in cross-wiki spam, particularly articles on West Germanic varieties. I am hounded for a while. The probable IP adresses indlude: <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2003:DE:3717:716F:E95B:E6C7:5BB:48F5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2003:DE:3717:716F:E95B:E6C7:5BB:48F5 (page does not exist)">2003:de:3717:716f:e95b:e6c7:5bb:48f5</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2003:DE:370C:38E4:4448:5249:EA82:E5FA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2003:DE:370C:38E4:4448:5249:EA82:E5FA (page does not exist)">2003:DE:370C:38E4:4448:5249:EA82:E5FA</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2003:DE:3717:718E:65C8:BEBB:58D6:1D36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2003:DE:3717:718E:65C8:BEBB:58D6:1D36 (page does not exist)">2003:DE:3717:718E:65C8:BEBB:58D6:1D36</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2003:DE:3717:716F:5DCE:8967:6BA9:C376&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2003:DE:3717:716F:5DCE:8967:6BA9:C376 (page does not exist)">2003:DE:3717:716F:5DCE:8967:6BA9:C376</a></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2003:DE:3700:A013:B8D1:4127:BE29:FBC6&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2003:DE:3700:A013:B8D1:4127:BE29:FBC6 (page does not exist)">2003:DE:3700:A013:B8D1:4127:BE29:FBC6</a></dd></dl> <a class="external free" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:370C:38E4:4448:5249:EA82:E5FA">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:370C:38E4:4448:5249:EA82:E5FA</a> has a current block. This probably is the same person. A particular hobby of this user is to revert me on wiktionary, if I write that Hollandic isn't part of Low German. What shoukl — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:Signatures" title="Commons:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <bdi><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a></bdi> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sarcelles" title="Special:Contributions/Sarcelles">contribs</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241113174600-Long-term_disputes_on_various_wikis_involving_a_cross-wiki_IP_author" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a>: Is this some sort of request for administrative action? If so, it belongs on the appropriate Administrators' noticeboard, not on the Village pump. Conversely, if it is something you are just bringing up for general discussion, I don't know what you want discussed. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241113183700-Sarcelles-20241113174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>None of these accounts have edited in recent weeks, some not in as long as half a year, so it is hard to imagine what anyone can do about this at this point. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241113184000-Sarcelles-20241113174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>2A01:599:30A:8340:4A39:F118:FF32:1257 is a recently used reincarnation. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241113184500-Jmabel-20241113184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:371A:22A6:78F9:E411:9550:9ED4">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:371A:22A6:78F9:E411:9550:9ED4</a></dd> <dd>the block log says:</dd> <dd>8.11.2024, 21:12:36: Surjection blocked 2003:DE:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 (block log), expiring 8.12.2024, 21:12:36 (Abusing multiple accounts/block evasion: 2003:DE:371A:22A9:319A:E2C4:1B5A:C283)</dd> <dd>5.11.2024, 06:03:47: Surjection blocked 2003:DE:3710:0:0:0:0:0/44 (block log), expiring 18.11.2024, 21:40:20 (Disruptive edits: xwiki povpushing: see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Naramaru" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naramaru">w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naramaru</a>) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241113202500-Sarcelles-20241113184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:371A:22A9:319A:E2C4:1B5A:C283">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2003:DE:371A:22A9:319A:E2C4:1B5A:C283</a></dd> <dd></dd> <dd>8.11.2024, 21:12:36: Surjection blocked 2003:DE:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 (block log), expiring 8.12.2024, 21:12:36 (Abusing multiple accounts/block evasion: 2003:DE:371A:22A9:319A:E2C4:1B5A:C283)</dd> <dd>5.11.2024, 06:03:47: Surjection blocked 2003:DE:3710:0:0:0:0:0/44 (block log), expiring 18.11.2024, 21:40:20 (Disruptive edits: xwiki povpushing: see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Naramaru" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naramaru">w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naramaru</a>) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241113204900-Sarcelles-20241113202500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ADeutsche_Mundarten.png&diff=948595578&oldid=946447257">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ADeutsche_Mundarten.png&diff=948595578&oldid=946447257</a> was a removal of the deletion message, probably by the same IP. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241114202200-Sarcelles-20241113204900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Someone being blocked on Wiktionary is neither here nor there if they haven't edited recently on Commons.</li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Deutsche_Mundarten.png&diff=next&oldid=946447257">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Deutsche_Mundarten.png&diff=next&oldid=946447257</a> is problematic, but it's the only edit from that IP. Blocking an IP that was used once doesn't do anything except take up the time of the admin who blocks it. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241114213700-Sarcelles-20241113174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It can be anticipated, that this author continues to be active on several wikis including Commons. I think this is a good place to discuss this cross-wiki spam. On en.wiktionary I have been removing numerous typical edits by this user. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241116142900-Jmabel-20241114213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Whatta bunch of nonsense … -- <a href="/wiki/User:MicBy67" title="User:MicBy67">MicBy67</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MicBy67" title="User talk:MicBy67">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-MicBy67-20241117001400-Jmabel-20241114213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>File:Niederfränkisch.png is a file of this kind. It attempts to picture Low Franconian varieties in Europe. It has the following threefold-division: <ul><li>A minor transitional area to Low Saxon, in the Netherlands</li> <li>East Bergish running from near the city centre of Essen to Westphalia, also quite small#</li> <li>A somehow larger area cutting through all of the following: an arrondissement bordering to Brussels, Antwerp province, Dutch Limburg, Belgian Limburg, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Wuppertal, German-speaking Belgium and French-speaking Belgium.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241121191700-MicBy67-20241117001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I missed the part covering most of the area. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241122113600-Sarcelles-20241121191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is called Nordniederfränkisch (North Low Franconian) and running from France to Holland, Friesland province, Brussels and Westphalia. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sarcelles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sarcelles (page does not exist)">Sarcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarcelles" title="User talk:Sarcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sarcelles-20241122114500-Sarcelles-20241122113600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_15" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_15-20241115032400">November 15</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Audio_files_made_by_Flame,_not_lame" data-mw-thread-id="h-Audio_files_made_by_Flame,_not_lame-November_15-20241115032400">Audio files made by Flame, not lame</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> The audios made by this user are detected as being made by a (now) nonexistent user Flame because of the comma in her username. <a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodrigo5260" title="User talk:Rodrigo5260">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rodrigo5260-20241115032400-Audio_files_made_by_Flame,_not_lame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Flame,_not_lame&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Flame, not lame (page does not exist)">Flame, not lame</a>.</dd> <dd>Example <a href="/wiki/File:LL-Q1860_(eng)-Flame,_not_lame-all-out.wav" title="File:LL-Q1860 (eng)-Flame, not lame-all-out.wav">File:LL-Q1860 (eng)-Flame, not lame-all-out.wav</a>.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a>: Not sure what you mean be "detected". Are you talking about the wrong "recorder" credit, or is there more to this? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241115034000-Rodrigo5260-20241115032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, that, and that forces me to edit it manually, which takes a lot of time. <a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodrigo5260" title="User talk:Rodrigo5260">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rodrigo5260-20241115034100-Jmabel-20241115034000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> forgot this. <a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodrigo5260" title="User talk:Rodrigo5260">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rodrigo5260-20241115042000-Rodrigo5260-20241115034100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>So presumably a problem somewhere in <a href="/wiki/Template:Lingua_Libre_record" title="Template:Lingua Libre record">Template:Lingua Libre record</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:0x010C" title="User:0x010C">User:0x010C</a> who started that seems to be more or less gone. @<a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a>: any thoughts on this, or on who might need to be brought into the discussion? - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241115050600-Rodrigo5260-20241115034100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don’t understand the problem yet. The speaker and recorder are both "User:Flame, not lame", right? And the author link goes to <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Flame,_not_lame&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Flame, not lame (page does not exist)">User:Flame, not lame</a>, which is an existing user (redlink notwithstanding). Is the problem just that the link text is given as "Flame" instead of "Flame, not lame"? <a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User talk:Lucas Werkmeister">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241115191300-Jmabel-20241115050600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, it is. <a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodrigo5260" title="User talk:Rodrigo5260">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rodrigo5260-20241116021200-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241115191300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think it's standard wikitext behaviour. <dl><dd>[[Commons:Bla, bla|]]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>is converted to <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Bla,_bla&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Commons:Bla, bla (page does not exist)">Bla</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>So it's a bug in the lingualibre upload tool. ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Enhancing999-20241116121700-Rodrigo5260-20241116021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Indeed, the file’s source wikitext says <code>| author = [[User:Flame, not lame|Flame]]</code>, so the template is rendering that link faithfully. If it’s true that the Lingua Libre uploader is relying on the <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/pipe_trick" class="extiw" title="mw:pipe trick">pipe trick</a>, then it should be changed to not do that (and just remove the <code>User:</code> prefix from the link text explicitly). <a href="/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User:Lucas Werkmeister">Lucas Werkmeister</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucas_Werkmeister" title="User talk:Lucas Werkmeister">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241116160800-Enhancing999-20241116121700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Maybe for the time being it would be fine for a bot to add the ", not lame" part (and fix any typoed version I may have left behind). <a href="/wiki/User:Rodrigo5260" title="User:Rodrigo5260">Rodrigo5260</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rodrigo5260" title="User talk:Rodrigo5260">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rodrigo5260-20241120035700-Lucas_Werkmeister-20241116160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_16" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_16-20241116193200">November 16</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Issues_with_interwiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issues_with_interwiki-November_16-20241116193200">Issues with interwiki</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Should <a href="/wiki/Category:4th-century_people_of_France" title="Category:4th-century people of France">Category:4th-century people of France</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:4th-century_Frankish_people" class="extiw" title="en:Category:4th-century Frankish people">Category:4th-century Frankish people</a> be linked to each other? <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Trade-20241116193200-Issues_with_interwiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You can always use a hat note to explain the relationship, rather than go through Wikidata to say that they represent exactly the same concept. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241116201100-Trade-20241116193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I dont know much about the history of France <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Trade-20241116231000-Jmabel-20241116201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I do think the issue of having "-century people of" categories for countries that didn't exist until several centuries later is an issue that we need to take a look at <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Trade-20241116231500-Jmabel-20241116201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Everybody knows <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne" class="extiw" title="w:Charlemagne">w:Charlemagne</a> had a Belgian passport, not a French one ;) ∞∞ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Enhancing999&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Enhancing999 (page does not exist)">Enhancing999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enhancing999" title="User talk:Enhancing999">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Enhancing999-20241117111700-Trade-20241116231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cisgender" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cisgender-November_16-20241116202300">Cisgender</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I could take this to a CfD, but I think this needs more attention than that typically gets. Starting (I believe) 2024-10-12, <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> introduced several categories such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Cisgender_people" title="Category:Cisgender people">Category:Cisgender people</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Cisgender_women" title="Category:Cisgender women">Category:Cisgender women</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Category:Cisgender_men" title="Category:Cisgender men">Category:Cisgender men</a>. Given what a high percentage of humans are cisgendered, this strikes me as a very ill-conceived direction to go, like having a category for "four-limbed British admirals" or "songs with less than 12 verses". I think this should be turned back before we find ourselves extending this to well over 95% of our content that involves humans. I ran across this when Web-julio <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cecilia_Augspurger&diff=prev&oldid=957678646">recently added</a> <a href="/wiki/Category:Cisgender_women" title="Category:Cisgender women">Category:Cisgender women</a> as a parent of <a href="/wiki/Category:Cecilia_Augspurger" title="Category:Cecilia Augspurger">Category:Cecilia Augspurger</a>. As I've said many times: the purpose of categorization is not an abstract exercise in ontology. It is to help people find appropriate media. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241116202300-Cisgender" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I agree, stick to the simplest term. --<a href="/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">RAN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241116203500-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> these categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Modern_primat" title="User:Modern primat">modern_primat</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Modern_primat" title="Special:Contributions/Modern primat">ඞඞඞ</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modern_primat" title="User talk:Modern primat"> ----TALK</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Modern_primat-20241116205800-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> per nom. This user's behaviour with regards to categories warrants a closer look in general. He has created over 500 categories in the last 5 days, almost all pertaining to very specific or overly-broad categories about sex and gender, Pokémon, including the genders of Pokémon. <a href="/wiki/User:ReneeWrites" title="User:ReneeWrites">ReneeWrites</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReneeWrites" title="User talk:ReneeWrites">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-ReneeWrites-20241116232600-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Keep</bdi>, if there's <a href="/wiki/Category:Male_humans_by_eye_color" title="Category:Male humans by eye color">Category:Male humans by eye color</a>, including the ones that are the populational majority, then so should cisgender. Also, if they are not categorized with these categories, they loose gender categories as they are that way on Wikidata. See <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Web-julio/Cis" class="extiw" title="wikidata:User:Web-julio/Cis">this listeria list</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241116232800-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Also, I do have criteria for cisgender inclusion. Not every non-trans person self-identifies as cisgender, and if reliable sources exist for people specifically identifying as cisgender, they should be respected. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241116232900-Web-julio-20241116232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Question</bdi> Is this only about the categories mentioned, not subcategories or potential categories? For example, <a href="/wiki/User:HyperGaruda" title="User:HyperGaruda">Another Believer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/special:diff/1235374818" class="extiw" title="en:special:diff/1235374818">suggested</a> a cisgender drag performers category in English Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Category:Maddy_Morphosis" title="Category:Maddy Morphosis">Maddy Morphosis</a>' <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maddy_Morphosis" class="extiw" title="en:Maddy Morphosis">biography</a> talks about the performer being a <a href="/wiki/Category:Cisgender_heterosexual_men" title="Category:Cisgender heterosexual men">cisgender heterosexual man</a>, so in some cases it's a defining characteristic. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241119005800-Web-julio-20241116232900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Delete per nom. No one eye color is not on >99% of population. <a href="/wiki/User:MBH" title="User:MBH">MBH</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-MBH-20241117020700-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Nor gender modalities. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241117021900-MBH-20241117020700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a>: I strongly urge you not to continue editing in this direction while this discussion plays out. So far, literally everyone else who has weighed in here disagrees with you, and there is a very strong chance you are editing against a general consensus. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241117021000-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>But did I? I didn't add anyone else on cisgender categories after this discussion started. And they had few subcats anyways. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241117021200-Jmabel-20241117021000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a>: I didn't say you did, but your comments here seem to be dismissive of what others are saying, so I considered it best to warn you not to walk out on the thin ice. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241117054800-Web-julio-20241117021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> Well, when you commented I was arguing alone, I didn't reply to anyone else except nominator. Actually, I replied and after that that it showed Renee's comment, the <a href="/wiki/User:Modern_primat" title="User:Modern primat">modern_primat</a>'s comment is just a !vote. No one argued against my comments specifically, the one being dismissed is me. Anyways, let me address <a href="/wiki/User:ReneeWrites" title="User:ReneeWrites">ReneeWrites</a>' comment: she criticized my category creation in general, including Pokémon-related categories, which I expanded on. almost all pertaining to very specific or overly-broad categories tells a lot that I don't have a pattern, because in fact all categories are either specific or broad, so I guess this is good or indifferent. While for including the genders of Pokémon, Wikidata is even <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Q116753925" class="extiw" title="d:Special:WhatLinksHere/Q116753925">more hyperspecific</a> (thanks <a href="/wiki/User:OmegaFallon" title="User:OmegaFallon">OmegaFallon</a>), I didn't even create categories for gender ratios (such as <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q116752968" class="extiw" title="d:Q116752968">12.5% male, 87.5% female gender ratio (Q116752968)</a> and <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q116752957" class="extiw" title="d:Q116752957">75% male, 25% female gender ratio (Q116752957)</a>). However, is it my contributions in general that are being discussed or Cis people's categories specifically? So that I know what I'm defending. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241117060700-Jmabel-20241117054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I can't vouch for what Renee is criticizing, but my issue is about the "cisgender" categories. I think my initial comment above is perfectly clear, so I don't see any need to elaborate. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241117061700-Web-julio-20241117060700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You have an issue, but didn't argue. When I was just explaining why I created, yet you had an issue with my explanation too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241117185700-Jmabel-20241117061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>One of your inclusions was an 18th century Spanish religious servant for the Catholic Church. I really wanna know where that self-identification came from <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Trade-20241118163900-Jmabel-20241117054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>From Wikidata. Had you looked at the list I linked? <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Web-julio-20241119004900-Trade-20241118163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> These are both not defining and also not helpful for actually finding media, plus they will inevitably result in all kinds of weird nonsense with users having pet theories about how a certain ancient Roman orator may have had whatever gender tendencies and other bizarre retroactive fiction. Categorizing by various other gender identities is sensible and useful (and itself fraught enough), but it's actually probably more rare for someone to make "being cisgender" a core part of that person's public persona than being transgender is. The whole exercise is probably well-intentioned in its outset, but deeply flawed in implementation and users should definitely seek consensus or discussion before even attempting such a radical overhaul of the categorization system. —<a href="/wiki/User:Koavf" title="User:Koavf">Justin (koavf)</a>❤<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koavf" title="User talk:Koavf">T</a>☮<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Koavf" title="Special:Contributions/Koavf">C</a>☺<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Koavf" title="Special:EmailUser/Koavf">M</a>☯ <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Koavf-20241117063000-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> Trying to duplicate the Wikidata database in Commons categories is always a bad idea. Categories are for the most important links everything else is a task for Wikidata and Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:GPSLeo" title="User:GPSLeo">GPSLeo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GPSLeo" title="User talk:GPSLeo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-GPSLeo-20241117075800-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> per nom; I just think the emphasis should be on "exercise" in the last paragraph of the explanation and GPSLeo's comment could also be meant and/or understood in imo flawed ways: duplicating it entirely or indiscriminately is a problem but at the same time duplicating it redundantly by hand is also an issue due to which some (not all) properties/data should be synced somehow (such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Free_software_programmed_in_C%2B%2B" title="Category:Free software programmed in C++">Category:Free software programmed in C++</a> which could readily be populated via WD data and vice versa). <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241117113900-Jmabel-20241116202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_17" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_17-20241117042800">November 17</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_irremovable_parent_categories_from_the_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_irremovable_parent_categories_from_the_categories-November_17-20241117042800">Remove irremovable parent categories from the categories</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I want to remove some irremovable parent categories that are useless from the following categories: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Young_people_in_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Young people in Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:Young people in Cuba</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:In_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:In Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:In Cuba</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Children_in_North_America&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Children in North America (page does not exist)">Category:Children in North America</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Children_in_Cuba" title="Category:Children in Cuba">Category:Children in Cuba</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Society_in_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Society in Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:Society in Cuba</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:People_in_Cuba" title="Category:People in Cuba">Category:People in Cuba</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_of_Cuba_by_stage_of_development&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People of Cuba by stage of development (page does not exist)">Category:People of Cuba by stage of development</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Children_of_Cuba" title="Category:Children of Cuba">Category:Children of Cuba</a> <a href="/wiki/Category:75-6895_(aircraft)" title="Category:75-6895 (aircraft)">Category:75-6895 (aircraft)</a> from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:F-104S_Starfighter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:F-104S Starfighter (page does not exist)">Category:F-104S Starfighter</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Teaching_by_country_of_location&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Teaching by country of location (page does not exist)">Category:Teaching by country of location</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Teaching_in_South_America&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Teaching in South America (page does not exist)">Category:Teaching in South America</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Teaching_of_Venezuela" title="Category:Teaching of Venezuela">Category:Teaching of Venezuela</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Teaching_in_Venezuela" title="Category:Teaching in Venezuela">Category:Teaching in Venezuela</a> <a href="/wiki/Category:Telugu-language_writers" title="Category:Telugu-language writers">Category:Telugu-language writers</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Translators_to_Telugu" title="Category:Translators to Telugu">Category:Translators to Telugu</a> <a href="/wiki/Category:United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York_(state),_2016" title="Category:United States House of Representatives elections in New York (state), 2016">Category:United States House of Representatives elections in New York (state), 2016</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:2016_United_States_House_of_Representatives_election_maps_of_New_York_(state)" title="Category:2016 United States House of Representatives election maps of New York (state)">Category:2016 United States House of Representatives election maps of New York (state)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Volcanism_of_the_Czech_Republic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Volcanism of the Czech Republic (page does not exist)">Category:Volcanism of the Czech Republic</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Volcanology_of_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Volcanology of the Czech Republic">Category:Volcanology of the Czech Republic</a> I talked about the similar problem in <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Children_in_Cuba" title="Category talk:Children in Cuba">Category talk:Children in Cuba</a>. I hope you help me. Also, tell me how to remove seemingly irremovable categories with no hassle. <a href="/wiki/User:OperationSakura6144" title="User:OperationSakura6144">OperationSakura6144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OperationSakura6144" title="User talk:OperationSakura6144">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-OperationSakura6144-20241117042800-Remove_irremovable_parent_categories_from_the_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Not what you are asking but: why exactly would you want to remove <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Young_people_in_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Young people in Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:Young people in Cuba</a> as a parent category of <a href="/wiki/Category:Children_in_Cuba" title="Category:Children in Cuba">Category:Children in Cuba</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Category:United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_New_York_(state),_2016" title="Category:United States House of Representatives elections in New York (state), 2016">Category:United States House of Representatives elections in New York (state), 2016</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:2016_United_States_House_of_Representatives_election_maps_of_New_York_(state)" title="Category:2016 United States House of Representatives election maps of New York (state)">Category:2016 United States House of Representatives election maps of New York (state)</a>? Offhand, both of these seem correct.- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241117055300-OperationSakura6144-20241117042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>All of these seem to be driven by templates. You'd have to take it up with the people who edited the templates. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241117055600-OperationSakura6144-20241117042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>But, how can I do it? I don't know if templates have to do with it. If so, how to know if that's the case and solve the underlying problems of irremovable parent categories? <a href="/wiki/User:OperationSakura6144" title="User:OperationSakura6144">OperationSakura6144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OperationSakura6144" title="User talk:OperationSakura6144">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-OperationSakura6144-20241117060100-Jmabel-20241117055600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment out the template in the wikitext editor, click Preview, and see if it removes the cat. If it does, you can ask on that template's talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241117114000-OperationSakura6144-20241117060100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>I successfully removed the parent categories <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_of_Cuba_by_stage_of_development&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People of Cuba by stage of development (page does not exist)">Category:People of Cuba by stage of development</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:Children_of_Cuba" title="Category:Children of Cuba">Category:Children of Cuba</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Society_in_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Society in Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:Society in Cuba</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:People_in_Cuba" title="Category:People in Cuba">Category:People in Cuba</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:F-104S_Starfighter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:F-104S Starfighter (page does not exist)">Category:F-104S Starfighter</a> from <a href="/wiki/Category:75-6895_(aircraft)" title="Category:75-6895 (aircraft)">Category:75-6895 (aircraft)</a> (sorry for the swap, by the way). I also removed the mentioned unnecessary parent categories from <a href="/wiki/Category:Children_in_Cuba" title="Category:Children in Cuba">Category:Children in Cuba</a> successfully, but I accidentally replaced <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Young_people_in_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Young people in Cuba (page does not exist)">Category:Young people in Cuba</a> with <a href="/w/index.php?title=Young_people_of_Cuba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Young people of Cuba (page does not exist)">Young people of Cuba</a> which is now a new problem to me. I want <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">User:Joshbaumgartner</a> in the topic to discuss about it and the main problem. <a href="/wiki/User:OperationSakura6144" title="User:OperationSakura6144">OperationSakura6144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OperationSakura6144" title="User talk:OperationSakura6144">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-OperationSakura6144-20241117110600-Jmabel-20241117055600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_18" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_18-20241118120400">November 18</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Marx+Family_and_Engels.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Marx+Family_and_Engels.jpg-November_18-20241118120400"><a href="/wiki/File:Marx%2BFamily_and_Engels.jpg" title="File:Marx+Family and Engels.jpg">File:Marx+Family and Engels.jpg</a></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> The current version of the photo is obviously a mirror inversion, because Engels' frock coat is buttoned on the female side, and the Milanese buttonhole on Marx's jacket is on the right side, while should be on the left. What needs to be done to flip it back? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Romano1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Romano1981 (page does not exist)">Romano1981</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Romano1981" title="User talk:Romano1981">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Romano1981-20241118120400-File:Marx+Family_and_Engels.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Romano1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Romano1981 (page does not exist)">Romano1981</a>: Normally, you mark these with <a href="/wiki/Template:Flopped" title="Template:Flopped">{{Flopped}}</a>; I believe a bot then takes care of it. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241118173800-Romano1981-20241118120400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It seems to me that the bot decided not to come. <a href="/wiki/File:Face-wink.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Clin"><img alt="Clin" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/20px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/30px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/40px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Romano1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Romano1981 (page does not exist)">Romano1981</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Romano1981" title="User talk:Romano1981">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Romano1981-20241120042000-Jmabel-20241118173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Achim55" title="User:Achim55">Achim55</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Achim55" title="User talk:Achim55">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Achim55-20241120073500-Romano1981-20241120042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers-November_18-20241118184800">Minimum number of edits for license reviewers</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, Please see the discussion I started on <a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:License_review#Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers" title="Commons talk:License review">Commons talk:License review#Minimum number of edits for license reviewers</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Yann" title="User:Yann">Yann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yann" title="User talk:Yann">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Yann-20241118184800-Minimum_number_of_edits_for_license_reviewers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is also still an open discussion on whether license reviewers should be able to assign LR rights at <a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:License_review/Requests#Suggestion:_Remove_assigning_of_LR_rights_by_LR" title="Commons talk:License review/Requests">Commons talk:License review/Requests#Suggestion: Remove assigning of LR rights by LR</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Abzeronow" title="User:Abzeronow">Abzeronow</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abzeronow" title="User talk:Abzeronow">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Abzeronow-20241118211200-Yann-20241118184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_19" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_19-20241119124600">November 19</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland-November_19-20241119124600">Tram types and tram doors in Poland</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> The Polish tram type <a href="/wiki/Category:Konstal_105Na" title="Category:Konstal 105Na">Category:Konstal 105Na</a> is usualy equipped with <a href="/wiki/Category:Tram_inward_slide_doors" title="Category:Tram inward slide doors">Category:Tram inward slide doors</a>. The later modernisations (<a href="/wiki/Category:Konstal_105Na_modernizations" title="Category:Konstal 105Na modernizations">Category:Konstal 105Na modernizations</a>) mostly have other types of doors. I started classifying all the subcategories in <a href="/wiki/Category:Konstal_105Na_by_city" title="Category:Konstal 105Na by city">Category:Konstal 105Na by city</a> with the door types. To simplify things I removed the category links to Konstal 105Na for the modernized versions (Konstal 105N... and Protram ...), if the door type is not was not: inward slide doors. (nearly always in <a href="/wiki/Category:Tram_swerve-swing_doors" title="Category:Tram swerve-swing doors">Category:Tram swerve-swing doors</a>)<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241119124600-Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] This system was working until I arrived at <a href="/wiki/Category:Konstal_105Na_in_Wroc%C5%82aw" title="Category:Konstal 105Na in Wrocław">Category:Konstal 105Na in Wrocław</a>. There are different door types: <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="swerve-swing"><img alt="swerve-swing" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg/120px-Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg/180px-Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg/240px-Tram_22_at_stop_arkady_in_wroclaw.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2560" data-file-height="1920"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext">swerve-swing</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Tram_Wroclaw,_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="inward slide"><img alt="inward slide" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg/120px-Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="93" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg/180px-Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg/240px-Tram_Wroclaw%2C_Konstal_105Na_n%C2%B02557_-_1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3261" data-file-height="2535"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext">inward slide</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="swerve-swing"><img alt="swerve-swing" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg/120px-Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg/180px-Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg/240px-Tramwaj_-_panoramio.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2592" data-file-height="1944"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext">swerve-swing</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="likely swerve-swing"><img alt="likely swerve-swing" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg/120px-Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="80" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg/180px-Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg/240px-Wroclaw_tram_2024_07.jpg 2x" data-file-width="5472" data-file-height="3648"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext">likely swerve-swing</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><a href="/wiki/File:Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="inward slide"><img alt="inward slide" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg/120px-Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="75" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg/180px-Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg/240px-Wroc%C5%82aw_~080330-02.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2252" data-file-height="1408"/></a></div> <div class="gallerytext">inward slide</div> </li> </ul> This is a major difference in the tram characteristics. It could be a modernisation wich is not classified or an misclassification. Can some Polish tram expert shed some ligth on this?<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241119131000-Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>(I'm using an automatic translator, so I apologize for the style) It is as you write. Old trams 105N (105Na) have "inward slide" doors (although I would call them "opening inwards") and 4 doors per car. Newer ones after modernizations and various 105Na clones - outward-sliding ("swerve-swing"; I once came across the name "Atwood system doors") and 3 doors per car. There were also such modifications – "accordion doors" – <a href="/wiki/File:Konstal_111N,_-342,_Tramwaje_%C5%9Al%C4%85skie_(15939536112).jpg" title="File:Konstal 111N, -342, Tramwaje Śląskie (15939536112).jpg">File:Konstal 111N, -342, Tramwaje Śląskie (15939536112).jpg</a>. More modern trams in Poland usually have swing-sliding doors. <a href="/wiki/User:Grzexs" title="User:Grzexs">Grzexs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grzexs" title="User talk:Grzexs">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Grzexs-20241120075600-Smiley.toerist-20241119131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I agree that the name is not ideal, but I follow this source <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cgtrader.com/gallery/project/bus-door-1-inward-gliding-rig-and-animation">Bus Door (1) Inward Gliding (Rig and Animation)</a> for the naming. Many train door systems have a gliding element to it. This door system has a sliding rail along the dooropening even as folding doors. One part of the door leaf is attachched to it. Only slam doors and swerve-swing door have no gliding system. If there is a sourced better name we can use it. I am against inventing names in the Commons or Wikipedia.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241121000100-Grzexs-20241120075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Something's wrong here. The doors in the old 105N don't have a sliding rail. The rail is fixed, inverted U-shaped. Inside, the pins with bearings slide. The bearing has a vertical axis and a large clearance, and sometimes it hits one side of rail, sometimes the other. That's how it works. • How to call door systems in English, don't ask 😸. In my native language there are problems with this. • I've seen the animation, but it doesn't explain what the drive element is. In the 105N, it's the 90° rotating shafts or tubes on the edges of the door. It seems that there may be door mechanisms driven by moving the pins I wrote about earlier, e.g. using chains, but I haven't seen any. <a href="/wiki/User:Grzexs" title="User:Grzexs">Grzexs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grzexs" title="User talk:Grzexs">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Grzexs-20241121191300-Smiley.toerist-20241121000100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>See: Rename proposal for Rail vehicle inward slide doors and Tram inward slide doors further on.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241121105700-Grzexs-20241120075600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> PS:I have decided to classify the pictures individualy for Wrocław.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241121112400-Tram_types_and_tram_doors_in_Poland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletions_by_Android_app_users" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletions_by_Android_app_users-November_19-20241119201000">Deletions by Android app users</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I'm not a Commons habitué and I do not use the Android app. While browsing the recent deletion requests, I found a comment and was curious. "Test or nonsense request by another Android app user who could not resist". Is the Android app that easy to misuse? Does that mean there is an increased chance of unwarranted deletions, and has it been reported to the app developers? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pkoroau" title="User:Pkoroau">Pkoroau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pkoroau" title="User talk:Pkoroau">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pkoroau-20241119201000-Deletions_by_Android_app_users" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I intentionally use to use always the same text, so <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2Fanother+Android+app+user+who+could+not+resist%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns4=1">this search</a> shows 142 hits. Unfortunately there is no way to prevent such deletion requests by our abuse filters. --<a href="/wiki/User:Achim55" title="User:Achim55">Achim55</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Achim55" title="User talk:Achim55">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Achim55-20241119203800-Pkoroau-20241119201000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is not a lot of chance of an admin deleting a file based on a request with no sane rationale. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241119230500-Achim55-20241119203800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_20" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_20-20241120105500">November 20</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder:_Invitation_to_the_upcoming_Commons_Community_Calls_--_November_21,_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder:_Invitation_to_the_upcoming_Commons_Community_Calls_--_November_21,_202-November_20-20241120105500">Reminder: Invitation to the upcoming Commons Community Calls -- November 21, 2024</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello everyone! The Wikimedia Foundation will be hosting <a href="/wiki/Commons:WMF_support_for_Commons/Commons_community_calls" title="Commons:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls">a series of community calls</a> to help prioritize support efforts from Wikimedia Foundation for the 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The purpose of these calls is to support community members in hearing more from one another - across uploaders, moderators, GLAM enthusiasts, tool and bot makers, etc. - about the future of Commons. There is so much to discuss about the general direction of the project, and we hope that people from different perspectives can think through some of the tradeoffs that will shape Commons going forward. Our first call will focus on Content Organization. It will take place at two different time slots: <ul><li> The first one will be on <a class="external text" href="https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732176000">November 21, at 08:00 UTC</a>, and it will be hosted by Senior Director of Product Management Runa Bhattacharjee; you can <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/87467854217">join us on Zoom</a>;</li> <li> The second one will be on <a class="external text" href="https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732204800">November 21, at 16:00 UTC</a>, and it will be hosted by Chief Product & Technology Officer Selena Deckelmann; you can <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/88616445740">join us on Zoom</a>.</li></ul> If you cannot attend the meeting, you are invited to express your point of view at any time you want on <a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:WMF_support_for_Commons/Commons_community_calls" title="Commons talk:WMF support for Commons/Commons community calls">the Commons community calls talk page</a>. We will also post the notes of the meeting on the project page, to give the possibility to read what was discussed also to those who couldn’t attend it. These calls are important to shape the way Wikimedia Foundation will be giving attention to Wikimedia Commons in the upcoming years, so please have your say! If you want, you are invited to share this invitation with all the people you think might be interested in this call. We hope to see you and/or read you very soon! <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User:Sannita (WMF)">Sannita (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)" title="User talk:Sannita (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Sannita_(WMF)-20241120105500-Reminder:_Invitation_to_the_upcoming_Commons_Community_Calls_--_November_21,_202" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fixing_Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fixing_Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country-November_20-20241120234300">Fixing <a href="/wiki/Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country" title="Category:People in the 18th century by country">Category:People in the 18th century by country</a></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country" title="Category:People in the 18th century by country">Category:People in the 18th century by country</a> lists a lot of 19th-century categories - probably because of an error in automatically generated entries in the subcategories. Perhaps someone who knows how to fix this (I´m sorry I don´t) could have a look at it. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Rudolph_Buch" title="User:Rudolph Buch">Rudolph Buch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rudolph_Buch" title="User talk:Rudolph Buch">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rudolph_Buch-20241120234300-Fixing_Category:People_in_the_18th_century_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rudolph_Buch" title="User:Rudolph Buch">Rudolph Buch</a>: This edit is typical of what you need to do to fix these: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:19th-century_people_of_Ireland&diff=prev&oldid=959737115">[4]</a>. If you need the word "the" before the country name, it is like <a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:19th-century_people_of_the_Dominican_Republic&diff=prev&oldid=959737846">[5]</a>. Looks like there are similarly a bunch of 20th-century categories in <a href="/wiki/Category:People_in_the_19th_century_by_country" title="Category:People in the 19th century by country">Category:People in the 19th century by country</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241121015500-Rudolph_Buch-20241120234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I'll add some documentation to <a href="/wiki/Template:PeopleCenturybyCountry" title="Template:PeopleCenturybyCountry">Template:PeopleCenturybyCountry</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241121015600-Rudolph_Buch-20241120234300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you. I fixed all countries in the 18th century and will see if I can motivate me to do the 19th century as well some day. A very boring task :-( <a href="/wiki/User:Rudolph_Buch" title="User:Rudolph Buch">Rudolph Buch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rudolph_Buch" title="User talk:Rudolph Buch">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Rudolph_Buch-20241121165400-Jmabel-20241121015600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_21" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_21-20241121090200">November 21</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Naming_of_people_in_historical_photographs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Naming_of_people_in_historical_photographs-November_21-20241121090200">Naming of people in historical photographs</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg/220px-1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="146" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg/330px-1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg/440px-1989_November_Prague_Velvet_Revolution_three_protest_leaders.jpg 2x" data-file-width="6247" data-file-height="4134"/></a><figcaption>Student organizers during the 1989 Czechoslovakia Velvet Revolution. The placard in the background reads in English "We need very badly .."</figcaption></figure> The picture on the right was taken by me 35 years ago in Prague during a public uprising against the then communist government. I asked to photograph the organizers and was led up to this room in a building at Charles University. I have a credible report that the woman in the middle is called Monika and I also have her surname. I am currently trying to get in contact with her. Given my information is accurate, what is the protocol for recording such information on Wikimedia? Can such metadata be made public under certain circumstances? Can it be stored non‑publicly on Wikimedia for the historical record and made available only to accredited researchers? Is there Wikimedia policy on these questions? For example, does inferred consent to publish include inferred consent to name? I suppose these kind of issues crop up regularly on genealogy websites? TIA, <a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User talk:RobbieIanMorrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RobbieIanMorrison-20241121090200-Naming_of_people_in_historical_photographs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Does <a href="/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people" title="Commons:Photographs of identifiable people">Commons:Photographs of identifiable people</a> answer your questions? <a href="/wiki/User:Alexpl" title="User:Alexpl">Alexpl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexpl" title="User talk:Alexpl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Alexpl-20241121093100-RobbieIanMorrison-20241121090200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks. That page on identifiable people provides context and boundaries and also covers any associated information (metadata if you like) made public or withheld on the basis of subjects' rights. My first response is to seek explicit consent when naming subjects. But my related question remains: is Wikimedia able to store such information privately? Or does that idea run counter to the concept of Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User talk:RobbieIanMorrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RobbieIanMorrison-20241121160900-Alexpl-20241121093100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>We are technically capable of storing information in a manner where only admins or higher can see it (add it, immediately [soft-]delete the version, possibly note the date at which it could be made public by undeletion), but we don't have anything else that is visible to some without being visible to all. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241122004100-RobbieIanMorrison-20241121160900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a>: many thanks as always! <a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User talk:RobbieIanMorrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RobbieIanMorrison-20241122072600-Jmabel-20241122004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have now decided that Wikimedia is not the appropriate place for this kind of background information which should remain private. My solution in this special case is to deposit the material with the National Archives of the Czech Republic and then submit any names and related details to them. The National Archives are in a much better position to retain and control access to this kind of private information than Wikimedia. My thanks to those who responded to my query. <a href="/wiki/User:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User:RobbieIanMorrison">RobbieIanMorrison</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RobbieIanMorrison" title="User talk:RobbieIanMorrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RobbieIanMorrison-20241123132300-RobbieIanMorrison-20241122072600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors-November_21-20241121105400">Rename proposal for Rail vehicle inward slide doors and Tram inward slide doors</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Using this source <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-different-types-of-train-doors.194447/">https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-different-types-of-train-doors.194447/</a>, where Twin-leaf inward pivoting doors is used, I propose Rail vehicle inward pivoting doors and Tram inward pivoting doors for <a href="/wiki/Category:Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors" title="Category:Rail vehicle inward slide doors">Category:Rail vehicle inward slide doors</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Tram_inward_slide_doors" title="Category:Tram inward slide doors">Category:Tram inward slide doors</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241121105400-Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> for bus, tram and train.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241122105100-Rename_proposal_for_Rail_vehicle_inward_slide_doors_and_Tram_inward_slide_doors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="abuse_filter_142" data-mw-thread-id="h-abuse_filter_142-November_21-20241121161600">abuse filter 142</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/142" title="Special:AbuseFilter/142">Special:AbuseFilter/142</a> "is a" seems to be a rather normal and common occurrence, which shouldnt be included in the filter? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241121161600-abuse_filter_142" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>+1 - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241122004200-RoyZuo-20241121161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sign_up_for_the_language_community_meeting_on_November_29th,_16:00_UTC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sign_up_for_the_language_community_meeting_on_November_29th,_16:00_UTC-November_21-20241121195300">Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello everyone, The next language community meeting is coming up next week, on November 29th, at 16:00 UTC (Zonestamp! For your timezone <<a class="external free" href="https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000">https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000</a>>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <<a class="external free" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024</a>>. This participant-driven meeting will be organized by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Language Product Localization team and the Language Diversity Hub. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Moore Wikipedia, and the language support track at Wiki Indaba. We will also have members from the Wayuunaiki community joining us to share their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community within our movement. This meeting will have a Spanish interpretation. Looking forward to seeing you at the language community meeting! Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:SSethi_(WMF)" title="User:SSethi (WMF)">Srishti</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-SSethi_(WMF)-20241121195300-Sign_up_for_the_language_community_meeting_on_November_29th,_16:00_UTC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Should_date_of_digitisation_be_retained?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Should_date_of_digitisation_be_retained?-November_21-20241121214500">Should date of digitisation be retained?</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/File:The_Wishing_Chair_(13735481134).jpg" title="File:The Wishing Chair (13735481134).jpg">File:The Wishing Chair (13735481134).jpg</a> analog photo Date: c.1888 Date and time of data generation 09:03, 20 March 2014 in this case, is it necessary to retain 2014 in the date parameter of the info template? and in sdc? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241121214500-Should_date_of_digitisation_be_retained?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, as this is misleading and irrelevant. The technical data (scan date) remains available. The scan can be replaced by another scan if need be. There is in principle to scan as early as posible as time deterioration affects al analog material. It can be partialy compensaded with a better scan. I have slides wich are discouloured or have other defects growing in time.<a href="/wiki/User:Smiley.toerist" title="User:Smiley.toerist">Smiley.toerist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smiley.toerist" title="User talk:Smiley.toerist">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Smiley.toerist-20241121233100-RoyZuo-20241121214500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_22" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_22-20241122113400">November 22</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ignoring_edit_requests" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ignoring_edit_requests-November_22-20241122113400">Ignoring edit requests</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> On 14 July 2024 I made an edit request for the Main page which is probably watched by many users including many admins. After a long time it has been partly implemented but now the wikilink is broken and my requests to fully implement it so that the wikilink works is being ignored as is the edit request by another user to fix another broken wikilink. My edit request to fix this broken wikilink (especially problematic on mobile) has been ignored since 3 September 2024 which means it's approaching 3 months of no reply or implementation. The other user's edit request has been ignored since 29 September 2024 (UTC). Please do something about it. <a href="/wiki/User:Prototyperspective" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Prototyperspective">Prototyperspective</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prototyperspective" title="User talk:Prototyperspective">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Prototyperspective-20241122113400-Ignoring_edit_requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I already got used to this. <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-GoogleImagesTineye.js#c-El_Grafo-20221118160700-El_Grafo-20220915091000" title="MediaWiki talk:Gadget-GoogleImagesTineye.js">MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-GoogleImagesTineye.js#c-El_Grafo-20221118160700-El_Grafo-20220915091000</a> received community approval 2 years ago but is still waiting for ui admin.</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&limit=100&offset=0&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns102=1&ns103=1&ns104=1&ns105=1&ns106=1&ns107=1&ns460=1&ns461=1&ns486=1&ns487=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1198=1&ns1199=1&search=deepcategory%3A%22Commons_protected_edit_requests%22&sort=last_edit_desc">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&limit=100&offset=0&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns102=1&ns103=1&ns104=1&ns105=1&ns106=1&ns107=1&ns460=1&ns461=1&ns486=1&ns487=1&ns828=1&ns829=1&ns1198=1&ns1199=1&search=deepcategory%3A%22Commons_protected_edit_requests%22&sort=last_edit_desc</a> around 70 requests waiting. <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241122120700-Prototyperspective-20241122113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Preposition,_the,_proper_noun" data-mw-thread-id="h-Preposition,_the,_proper_noun-November_22-20241122131500">Preposition, the, proper noun</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Where may i find authoritative explanation about whether "the" should be used between a preposition and a proper noun, e.g. "from (the?) Bank of England", "of (the?) European Union"...? many cat titles have this format of "preposition+proper noun". i wanna know once and for all whether i should use "the". <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241122131500-Preposition,_the,_proper_noun" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is no definitive answer to this. It's different for different proper nouns, and for some it isn't even clear one way or the other. In the two cases you've given, I'd expect "the" but (for example): <ul><li>"of the United States"</li> <li>"of France"</li> <li>normal before Ukrainian independence "of the Ukraine"; normal now, because requested by the independent Ukrainian government "of Ukraine"</li> <li>(referring to the former Canal Zone in Panama) "of the Canal Zone"</li> <li>in New York City, "of the Bronx" or "of Bronx County", but never the other way around</li></ul></dd> <dd>Plus, the matter is complicated by what used to be called "telegraphic style", a term that has faded along with the telegraph but remains commons as a style of writing headlines, and which allows that in a short phrase you can leave out "the" for compactness. Category names are a lot like headlines, and I've definitely seen users go this way; I've probably even done it myself. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241122205100-RoyZuo-20241122131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thx. I asked this question to decide on my preferred format for subcats of <a href="/wiki/Category:Media_by_source" title="Category:Media by source">Category:Media by source</a>. I decided to go without "the" in cases where it seems optional. To me a non native speaker, "media from Bank of England", "media of European Union" sound ok. There're also many things that sound odd with "the", e.g. website domain, foreign organisation names, acronyms (NASA, APEC, OECD...). <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241123075000-Jmabel-20241122205100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>"The" ("the definitive article") is definitely required in each of the cases you have cited. To a native speaker, any of them, without it, sound clumsy. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pigsonthewing-20241123114500-RoyZuo-20241122131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree with Andy that both of those in quotes sound more natural with "the". Agree about website domains, but the other two vary with no real pattern I can see: the KGB, the FBI, the CIA; NASA, NOAA. Most foreign-language acronyms or initialisms take "the"; the only exception I can think of offhand is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONCE" class="extiw" title="w:ONCE">ONCE</a> but I bet there are others. [Slightly later thought: a few other acronyms (not mere initialisms) from Spanish: {{w|FINCA International|FINCA]], for example. But the rule isn't just "acronym vs. initialism": the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Institutional_Revolutionary_Party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Institutional Revolutionary Party (page does not exist)">Template:Institutional Revolutionary Party</a>, always treated as a proper acronym. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241123225600-Pigsonthewing-20241123114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>] Foreign-named organization names also vary: Médecins Sans Frontières, La Croix-Rouge (or translate as "the French Red Cross"), Alliance française (which can probably go either with or without a "the"), the Goethe-Institut.[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>It is really no more rational than (for example) the gender of German nouns. You just have to trust a native speaker to tell you if you have it wrong. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Jmabel-20241123225000-Pigsonthewing-20241123114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="dvidshub_tool_or_trick" data-mw-thread-id="h-dvidshub_tool_or_trick-November_22-20241122175500">dvidshub tool or trick</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8066972/vp-16-concludes-operations-papua-new-guinea">https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8066972/vp-16-concludes-operations-papua-new-guinea</a> there's an option to log in and download, but i'm reluctant to do so. is <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d1ldvf68ux039x.cloudfront.net/thumbs/photos/2310/8066972/1000w_q95.jpg">https://d1ldvf68ux039x.cloudfront.net/thumbs/photos/2310/8066972/1000w_q95.jpg</a> the highest resolution version? if not, can the url be constructed based on the catalog number? is there a tool for dvidshub files? <a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoyZuo" title="User talk:RoyZuo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-RoyZuo-20241122175500-dvidshub_tool_or_trick" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:RoyZuo" title="User:RoyZuo">RoyZuo</a> You do have to log in for the original resolution. The original resolution URLs contain required unique keys, so you won't be able to reconstruct them. I'm not aware of a tool or script for importing DVIDS files, I usually do a lot of manual copy-pasting into <a href="/wiki/Template:Milim" title="Template:Milim">{{Milim}}</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:AntiCompositeNumber" title="User:AntiCompositeNumber">AntiCompositeNumber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AntiCompositeNumber" title="User talk:AntiCompositeNumber">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-AntiCompositeNumber-20241122182000-RoyZuo-20241122175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If consensus is clear, I suggest dropping a note on the admin noticeboard. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pigsonthewing-20241123114100-AntiCompositeNumber-20241122182000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>If you have a nice subset of images, <a href="/wiki/User:Don-vip" title="User:Don-vip">User:Don-vip</a> might be able to <a href="/wiki/Category:DVIDS_files_uploaded_by_OptimusPrimeBot" title="Category:DVIDS files uploaded by OptimusPrimeBot">help you out</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Multichill-20241123220200-RoyZuo-20241122175500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_23" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_23-20241123115100">November 23</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Interesting_article_on_a_photog_who_allows_use_of_his_work,_free,_under_a_CC_licence" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interesting_article_on_a_photog_who_allows_use_of_his_work,_free,_under_a_CC_lic-November_23-20241123115100">Interesting article on a photog who allows use of his work, free, under a CC licence</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://priceonomics.com/how-a-college-student-used-creative-commons-to/">http://priceonomics.com/how-a-college-student-used-creative-commons-to/</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-Pigsonthewing-20241123115100-Interesting_article_on_a_photog_who_allows_use_of_his_work,_free,_under_a_CC_lic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah Gage Skidmore, good man. Weird to see a comment who complains that someone offers his(!) images for free. As it would be illegal to decide about his own copyright. No economic sector will work and exist forever, and demanding money for digital files might be a thing of the past sooner than many think. Anyway, people who make things differently and better than the mainstream will paint the appearance of the future, and so he is part of it :) --<a href="/wiki/User:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User:PantheraLeo1359531">PantheraLeo1359531 😺</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PantheraLeo1359531" title="User talk:PantheraLeo1359531">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-PantheraLeo1359531-20241123170700-Pigsonthewing-20241123115100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="November_24" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_24-20241124084600">November 24</h1></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where_to_offer_help_with_photos_in_Stockholm?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_to_offer_help_with_photos_in_Stockholm?-November_24-20241124084600">Where to offer help with photos in Stockholm?</h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, I live in Stockholm and enjoy photographing interesting subjects. If anyone has any requests for anything that needs a photo on Commons I'll gladly upload it. Is there anywhere on Commons where I can advertize this free service for the project for people to add requests?<a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">StarTrekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarTrekker" title="User talk:StarTrekker">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-StarTrekker-20241124084600-Where_to_offer_help_with_photos_in_Stockholm?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">StarTrekker</a>, <a href="/wiki/Commons:File_requests" title="Commons:File requests">Commons:File requests</a> is the starting point for this, officially speaking. Whether it gets enough attention to be useful is another question... One thing mentioned there and which could be relevant to you is the tool/list described at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flominator/Find_Nearest_Photographer" class="extiw" title="en:User:Flominator/Find Nearest Photographer">en:User:Flominator/Find Nearest Photographer</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:HyperGaruda" title="User:HyperGaruda">HyperGaruda</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HyperGaruda" title="User talk:HyperGaruda">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#c-HyperGaruda-20241124100100-StarTrekker-20241124084600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=961159592">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&oldid=961159592</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Commons_community" title="Category:Commons community">Commons community</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-user-shown">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Commons_maintenance" title="Category:Commons maintenance">Commons maintenance</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </div> <div id="mw-navigation"> <h2>Navigation menu</h2> <div id="mw-head"> <nav id="p-personal" class="mw-portlet mw-portlet-personal vector-user-menu-legacy vector-menu" aria-labelledby="p-personal-label" > <h3 id="p-personal-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > Personal tools </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="pt-uls" class="mw-list-item active"><a class="uls-trigger" href="#">English</a></li><li id="pt-anonuserpage" class="mw-list-item">Not logged in</li><li id="pt-anontalk" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyTalk" title="Discussion about edits from this IP address [n]" accesskey="n">Talk</a></li><li id="pt-anoncontribs" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyContributions" title="A list of edits made from this IP address [y]" accesskey="y">Contributions</a></li><li id="pt-createaccount" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Commons%3AVillage+pump" title="You are encouraged to create an account and log in; however, it is not mandatory">Create account</a></li><li id="pt-login" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Commons%3AVillage+pump" title="You are encouraged to log in; however, it is not mandatory [o]" accesskey="o">Log in</a></li> </ul> </div> </nav> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav id="p-namespaces" class="mw-portlet mw-portlet-namespaces vector-menu-tabs vector-menu-tabs-legacy vector-menu" aria-labelledby="p-namespaces-label" > <h3 id="p-namespaces-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > Namespaces </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-nstab-project" class="selected mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump" title="View the project page [c]" accesskey="c">Project page</a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Commons_talk:Village_pump" rel="discussion" title="Discussion about the content page [t]" accesskey="t">Discussion</a></li> </ul> </div> </nav> <nav id="p-variants" class="mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet vector-menu-dropdown vector-menu" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-variants-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-variants" class="vector-menu-checkbox" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label" > <label id="p-variants-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > English </label> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> </ul> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation"> <nav id="p-views" class="mw-portlet mw-portlet-views vector-menu-tabs vector-menu-tabs-legacy vector-menu" aria-labelledby="p-views-label" > <h3 id="p-views-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > Views </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"> <li id="ca-view" class="selected mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Village_pump">View</a></li><li id="ca-viewsource" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump&action=edit" title="This page is protected.
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class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ang mw-list-item"><a href="https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C7%A3dia:Se_%C3%9Eorpes_Wella" title="Wikipǣdia:Se Þorpes Wella – Old English" lang="ang" hreflang="ang" data-title="Wikipǣdia:Se Þorpes Wella" data-language-autonym="Ænglisc" data-language-local-name="Old English" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ænglisc</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-anp mw-list-item"><a href="https://anp.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल – Angika" lang="anp" hreflang="anp" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल" data-language-autonym="अंगिका" data-language-local-name="Angika" class="interlanguage-link-target">अंगिका</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ar mw-list-item"><a href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86" title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان – Arabic" lang="ar" hreflang="ar" data-title="ويكيبيديا:الميدان" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target">العربية</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-arc mw-list-item"><a href="https://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DC%98%DC%9D%DC%A9%DC%9D%DC%A6%DC%95%DC%9D%DC%90:%DC%AC%DC%AA%DC%A5%DC%90_%DC%95%DC%9F%DC%A2%DC%AB%DC%90" title="ܘܝܩܝܦܕܝܐ:ܬܪܥܐ ܕܟܢܫܐ – Aramaic" lang="arc" hreflang="arc" data-title="ܘܝܩܝܦܕܝܐ:ܬܪܥܐ ܕܟܢܫܐ" data-language-autonym="ܐܪܡܝܐ" data-language-local-name="Aramaic" class="interlanguage-link-target">ܐܪܡܝܐ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ary mw-list-item"><a href="https://ary.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86" title="ويكيپيديا:لبرلمان – Moroccan Arabic" lang="ary" hreflang="ary" data-title="ويكيپيديا:لبرلمان" data-language-autonym="الدارجة" data-language-local-name="Moroccan Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target">الدارجة</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-arz mw-list-item"><a href="https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%B4%D9%87" title="ويكيبيديا:صالون المناقشه – Egyptian Arabic" lang="arz" hreflang="arz" data-title="ويكيبيديا:صالون المناقشه" data-language-autonym="مصرى" data-language-local-name="Egyptian Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target">مصرى</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-as mw-list-item"><a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A7%B1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%B0_%E0%A6%9A%27%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE" title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ'ৰা – Assamese" lang="as" hreflang="as" data-title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:ৰাইজৰ চ'ৰা" data-language-autonym="অসমীয়া" data-language-local-name="Assamese" class="interlanguage-link-target">অসমীয়া</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ast mw-list-item"><a href="https://ast.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chigre" title="Wikipedia:Chigre – Asturian" lang="ast" hreflang="ast" data-title="Wikipedia:Chigre" data-language-autonym="Asturianu" data-language-local-name="Asturian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Asturianu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-atj mw-list-item"><a href="https://atj.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipetcia:Waskapiwin" title="Wikipetcia:Waskapiwin – Atikamekw" lang="atj" hreflang="atj" data-title="Wikipetcia:Waskapiwin" data-language-autonym="Atikamekw" data-language-local-name="Atikamekw" class="interlanguage-link-target">Atikamekw</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ay mw-list-item"><a href="https://ay.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidiya:Jayma_punku" title="Wikipidiya:Jayma punku – Aymara" lang="ay" hreflang="ay" data-title="Wikipidiya:Jayma punku" data-language-autonym="Aymar aru" data-language-local-name="Aymara" class="interlanguage-link-target">Aymar aru</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-azb mw-list-item"><a href="https://azb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%A9%D9%86%D8%AF_%D9%85%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C" title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی – South Azerbaijani" lang="azb" hreflang="azb" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:کند مئیدانی" data-language-autonym="تۆرکجه" data-language-local-name="South Azerbaijani" class="interlanguage-link-target">تۆرکجه</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ba mw-list-item"><a href="https://ba.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:Bar" title="Википедия:Bar – Bashkir" lang="ba" hreflang="ba" data-title="Википедия:Bar" data-language-autonym="Башҡортса" data-language-local-name="Bashkir" class="interlanguage-link-target">Башҡортса</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ban mw-list-item"><a href="https://ban.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pasangkepan" title="Wikipédia:Pasangkepan – Balinese" lang="ban" hreflang="ban" data-title="Wikipédia:Pasangkepan" data-language-autonym="Basa Bali" data-language-local-name="Balinese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Basa Bali</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bar mw-list-item"><a href="https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stammdisch" title="Wikipedia:Stammdisch – Bavarian" lang="bar" hreflang="bar" data-title="Wikipedia:Stammdisch" data-language-autonym="Boarisch" data-language-local-name="Bavarian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Boarisch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bat-smg mw-list-item"><a href="https://bat-smg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikiped%C4%97j%C4%97:Aptar%C4%97m%C4%81" title="Vikipedėjė:Aptarėmā – Samogitian" lang="sgs" hreflang="sgs" data-title="Vikipedėjė:Aptarėmā" data-language-autonym="Žemaitėška" data-language-local-name="Samogitian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Žemaitėška</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bdr mw-list-item"><a href="https://bdr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:Kaday_Kupi%27" title="Wikipidia:Kaday Kupi' – West Coast Bajau" lang="bdr" hreflang="bdr" data-title="Wikipidia:Kaday Kupi'" data-language-autonym="Bajau Sama" data-language-local-name="West Coast Bajau" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bajau Sama</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bew mw-list-item"><a href="https://bew.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9di:Saung" title="Wikipédi:Saung – Betawi" lang="bew" hreflang="bew" data-title="Wikipédi:Saung" data-language-autonym="Betawi" data-language-local-name="Betawi" class="interlanguage-link-target">Betawi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bg mw-list-item"><a href="https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8" title="Уикипедия:Разговори – Bulgarian" lang="bg" hreflang="bg" data-title="Уикипедия:Разговори" data-language-autonym="Български" data-language-local-name="Bulgarian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Български</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bh mw-list-item"><a href="https://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल – Bhojpuri" lang="bh" hreflang="bh" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल" data-language-autonym="भोजपुरी" data-language-local-name="Bhojpuri" class="interlanguage-link-target">भोजपुरी</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bjn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bjn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:Warung_Kupi" title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi – Banjar" lang="bjn" hreflang="bjn" data-title="Wikipidia:Warung Kupi" data-language-autonym="Banjar" data-language-local-name="Banjar" class="interlanguage-link-target">Banjar</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bm mw-list-item"><a href="https://bm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Le_lavoir" title="Wikipedia:Le lavoir – Bambara" lang="bm" hreflang="bm" data-title="Wikipedia:Le lavoir" data-language-autonym="Bamanankan" data-language-local-name="Bambara" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bamanankan</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BE" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:আলোচনাসভা – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:আলোচনাসভা" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" class="interlanguage-link-target">বাংলা</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bo mw-list-item"><a href="https://bo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" title="Wikipedia:Village pump – Tibetan" lang="bo" hreflang="bo" data-title="Wikipedia:Village pump" data-language-autonym="བོད་ཡིག" data-language-local-name="Tibetan" class="interlanguage-link-target">བོད་ཡིག</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bpy mw-list-item"><a href="https://bpy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%AA" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:শিংলুপ – Bishnupriya" lang="bpy" hreflang="bpy" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:শিংলুপ" data-language-autonym="বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী" data-language-local-name="Bishnupriya" class="interlanguage-link-target">বিষ্ণুপ্রিয়া মণিপুরী</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-br mw-list-item"><a href="https://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kumuniezh/An_davarn" title="Wikipedia:Kumuniezh/An davarn – Breton" lang="br" hreflang="br" data-title="Wikipedia:Kumuniezh/An davarn" data-language-autonym="Brezhoneg" data-language-local-name="Breton" class="interlanguage-link-target">Brezhoneg</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bs mw-list-item"><a href="https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%C4%8Car%C5%A1ija" title="Wikipedia:Čaršija – Bosnian" lang="bs" hreflang="bs" data-title="Wikipedia:Čaršija" data-language-autonym="Bosanski" data-language-local-name="Bosnian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bosanski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-btm mw-list-item"><a href="https://btm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lopo_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Lopo Kopi – Batak Mandailing" lang="btm" hreflang="btm" data-title="Wikipedia:Lopo Kopi" data-language-autonym="Batak Mandailing" data-language-local-name="Batak Mandailing" class="interlanguage-link-target">Batak Mandailing</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bug mw-list-item"><a href="https://bug.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi – Buginese" lang="bug" hreflang="bug" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi" data-language-autonym="Basa Ugi" data-language-local-name="Buginese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Basa Ugi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ca mw-list-item"><a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:La_taverna" title="Viquipèdia:La taverna – Catalan" lang="ca" hreflang="ca" data-title="Viquipèdia:La taverna" data-language-autonym="Català" data-language-local-name="Catalan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Català</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cbk-zam mw-list-item"><a href="https://cbk-zam.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tambayan_De_Los_Chavacanos" title="Wikipedia:Tambayan De Los Chavacanos – Chavacano" lang="cbk" hreflang="cbk" data-title="Wikipedia:Tambayan De Los Chavacanos" data-language-autonym="Chavacano de Zamboanga" data-language-local-name="Chavacano" class="interlanguage-link-target">Chavacano de Zamboanga</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cdo mw-list-item"><a href="https://cdo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%A4%A7%F0%A3%97%AC%E4%B8%8B" title="Wikipedia:大𣗬下 – Mindong" lang="cdo" hreflang="cdo" data-title="Wikipedia:大𣗬下" data-language-autonym="閩東語 / Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄" data-language-local-name="Mindong" class="interlanguage-link-target">閩東語 / Mìng-dĕ̤ng-ngṳ̄</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ce mw-list-item"><a href="https://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википеди:Форум – Chechen" lang="ce" hreflang="ce" data-title="Википеди:Форум" data-language-autonym="Нохчийн" data-language-local-name="Chechen" class="interlanguage-link-target">Нохчийн</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ceb mw-list-item"><a href="https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tubaan" title="Wikipedia:Tubaan – Cebuano" lang="ceb" hreflang="ceb" data-title="Wikipedia:Tubaan" data-language-autonym="Cebuano" data-language-local-name="Cebuano" class="interlanguage-link-target">Cebuano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-chr mw-list-item"><a href="https://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E1%8E%BE%E1%8E%A5_%E1%8F%84%E1%8E%BE%E1%8F%93%E1%8E%B8_%E1%8E%BE%E1%8E%BF%E1%8E%A2" title="Wikipedia:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ – Cherokee" lang="chr" hreflang="chr" data-title="Wikipedia:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ" data-language-autonym="ᏣᎳᎩ" data-language-local-name="Cherokee" class="interlanguage-link-target">ᏣᎳᎩ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-chy mw-list-item"><a href="https://chy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Cheyenne" lang="chy" hreflang="chy" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Tsetsêhestâhese" data-language-local-name="Cheyenne" class="interlanguage-link-target">Tsetsêhestâhese</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ckb mw-list-item"><a href="https://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%DB%95%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86" title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان – Central Kurdish" lang="ckb" hreflang="ckb" data-title="ویکیپیدیا:دیوەخان" data-language-autonym="کوردی" data-language-local-name="Central Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target">کوردی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-co mw-list-item"><a href="https://co.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Purtone_di_a_cumunit%C3%A0" title="Wikipedia:Purtone di a cumunità – Corsican" lang="co" hreflang="co" data-title="Wikipedia:Purtone di a cumunità" data-language-autonym="Corsu" data-language-local-name="Corsican" class="interlanguage-link-target">Corsu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cr mw-list-item"><a href="https://cr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Cree" lang="cr" hreflang="cr" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Nēhiyawēwin / ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ" data-language-local-name="Cree" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nēhiyawēwin / ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-crh mw-list-item"><a href="https://crh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Meydan" title="Vikipediya:Meydan – Crimean Tatar" lang="crh" hreflang="crh" data-title="Vikipediya:Meydan" data-language-autonym="Qırımtatarca" data-language-local-name="Crimean Tatar" class="interlanguage-link-target">Qırımtatarca</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou" title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Pod lípou" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target">Čeština</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-csb mw-list-item"><a href="https://csb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki:Karczma" title="Wiki:Karczma – Kashubian" lang="csb" hreflang="csb" data-title="Wiki:Karczma" data-language-autonym="Kaszëbsczi" data-language-local-name="Kashubian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kaszëbsczi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cv mw-list-item"><a href="https://cv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BB%D1%83" title="Википеди:Канашлу – Chuvash" lang="cv" hreflang="cv" data-title="Википеди:Канашлу" data-language-autonym="Чӑвашла" data-language-local-name="Chuvash" class="interlanguage-link-target">Чӑвашла</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cy mw-list-item"><a href="https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicipedia:Y_Caffi" title="Wicipedia:Y Caffi – Welsh" lang="cy" hreflang="cy" data-title="Wicipedia:Y Caffi" data-language-autonym="Cymraeg" data-language-local-name="Welsh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Cymraeg</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Landsbybr%C3%B8nden" title="Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Dansk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dag mw-list-item"><a href="https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mabiligu_dund%C9%94%C5%8B" title="Wikipedia:Mabiligu dundɔŋ – Dagbani" lang="dag" hreflang="dag" data-title="Wikipedia:Mabiligu dundɔŋ" data-language-autonym="Dagbanli" data-language-local-name="Dagbani" class="interlanguage-link-target">Dagbanli</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Projektdiskussion" title="Wikipedia:Projektdiskussion – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Projektdiskussion" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Deutsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-din mw-list-item"><a href="https://din.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:T%C3%ABl%C9%94th%C3%AFn_wut" title="Wikipedia:Tëlɔthïn wut – Dinka" lang="din" hreflang="din" data-title="Wikipedia:Tëlɔthïn wut" data-language-autonym="Thuɔŋjäŋ" data-language-local-name="Dinka" class="interlanguage-link-target">Thuɔŋjäŋ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-diq mw-list-item"><a href="https://diq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipediya:Meydan%C3%AA_Dewe" title="Wikipediya:Meydanê Dewe – Zazaki" lang="diq" hreflang="diq" data-title="Wikipediya:Meydanê Dewe" data-language-autonym="Zazaki" data-language-local-name="Zazaki" class="interlanguage-link-target">Zazaki</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dsb mw-list-item"><a href="https://dsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Portal" title="Wikipedija:Portal – Lower Sorbian" lang="dsb" hreflang="dsb" data-title="Wikipedija:Portal" data-language-autonym="Dolnoserbski" data-language-local-name="Lower Sorbian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Dolnoserbski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dtp mw-list-item"><a href="https://dtp.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kadai_Kupi" title="Wikipedia:Kadai Kupi – Central Dusun" lang="dtp" hreflang="dtp" data-title="Wikipedia:Kadai Kupi" data-language-autonym="Kadazandusun" data-language-local-name="Central Dusun" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kadazandusun</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dty mw-list-item"><a href="https://dty.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B" title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो – Doteli" lang="dty" hreflang="dty" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौपातो" data-language-autonym="डोटेली" data-language-local-name="Doteli" class="interlanguage-link-target">डोटेली</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-dv mw-list-item"><a href="https://dv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DE%88%DE%A8%DE%86%DE%A8%DE%95%DE%A9%DE%91%DE%A8%DE%87%DE%A7:%DE%88%DE%A8%DE%8D%DE%AC%DE%96%DE%B0_%DE%95%DE%A6%DE%89%DE%B0%DE%95%DE%B0" title="ވިކިޕީޑިއާ:ވިލެޖް ޕަމްޕް – Divehi" lang="dv" hreflang="dv" data-title="ވިކިޕީޑިއާ:ވިލެޖް ޕަމްޕް" data-language-autonym="ދިވެހިބަސް" data-language-local-name="Divehi" class="interlanguage-link-target">ދިވެހިބަސް</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-el mw-list-item"><a href="https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%91%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AC" title="Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά – Greek" lang="el" hreflang="el" data-title="Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά" data-language-autonym="Ελληνικά" data-language-local-name="Greek" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ελληνικά</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eml mw-list-item"><a href="https://eml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar" title="Wikipedia:Bar – Emiliano-Romagnolo" lang="egl" hreflang="egl" data-title="Wikipedia:Bar" data-language-autonym="Emiliàn e rumagnòl" data-language-local-name="Emiliano-Romagnolo" class="interlanguage-link-target">Emiliàn e rumagnòl</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-en mw-list-item"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" title="Wikipedia:Village pump – English" lang="en" hreflang="en" data-title="Wikipedia:Village pump" data-language-autonym="English" data-language-local-name="English" class="interlanguage-link-target">English</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eo mw-list-item"><a href="https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedio:Diskutejo" title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo – Esperanto" lang="eo" hreflang="eo" data-title="Vikipedio:Diskutejo" data-language-autonym="Esperanto" data-language-local-name="Esperanto" class="interlanguage-link-target">Esperanto</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-es mw-list-item"><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9" title="Wikipedia:Café – Spanish" lang="es" hreflang="es" data-title="Wikipedia:Café" data-language-autonym="Español" data-language-local-name="Spanish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Español</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-et mw-list-item"><a href="https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:%C3%9Cldine_arutelu" title="Vikipeedia:Üldine arutelu – Estonian" lang="et" hreflang="et" data-title="Vikipeedia:Üldine arutelu" data-language-autonym="Eesti" data-language-local-name="Estonian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Eesti</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-eu mw-list-item"><a href="https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Txokoa" title="Wikipedia:Txokoa – Basque" lang="eu" hreflang="eu" data-title="Wikipedia:Txokoa" data-language-autonym="Euskara" data-language-local-name="Basque" class="interlanguage-link-target">Euskara</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ext mw-list-item"><a href="https://ext.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCiquipedia:El_Seranu" title="Güiquipedia:El Seranu – Extremaduran" lang="ext" hreflang="ext" data-title="Güiquipedia:El Seranu" data-language-autonym="Estremeñu" data-language-local-name="Extremaduran" class="interlanguage-link-target">Estremeñu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fa mw-list-item"><a href="https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D9%87%E2%80%8C%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87" title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه – Persian" lang="fa" hreflang="fa" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:قهوه‌خانه" data-language-autonym="فارسی" data-language-local-name="Persian" class="interlanguage-link-target">فارسی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fat mw-list-item"><a href="https://fat.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Nyimpakuw_adzekorabea" title="Wikipedia:Nyimpakuw adzekorabea – Fanti" lang="fat" hreflang="fat" data-title="Wikipedia:Nyimpakuw adzekorabea" data-language-autonym="Mfantse" data-language-local-name="Fanti" class="interlanguage-link-target">Mfantse</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ff mw-list-item"><a href="https://ff.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Damugal_renndo" title="Wikipedia:Damugal renndo – Fula" lang="ff" hreflang="ff" data-title="Wikipedia:Damugal renndo" data-language-autonym="Fulfulde" data-language-local-name="Fula" class="interlanguage-link-target">Fulfulde</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fi mw-list-item"><a href="https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone" title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone – Finnish" lang="fi" hreflang="fi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kahvihuone" data-language-autonym="Suomi" data-language-local-name="Finnish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Suomi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fiu-vro mw-list-item"><a href="https://fiu-vro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arotus%C3%B5tar%C3%B5" title="Wikipedia:Arotusõtarõ – Võro" lang="vro" hreflang="vro" data-title="Wikipedia:Arotusõtarõ" data-language-autonym="Võro" data-language-local-name="Võro" class="interlanguage-link-target">Võro</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fo mw-list-item"><a href="https://fo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Undirh%C3%BAsi%C3%B0" title="Wikipedia:Undirhúsið – Faroese" lang="fo" hreflang="fo" data-title="Wikipedia:Undirhúsið" data-language-autonym="Føroyskt" data-language-local-name="Faroese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Føroyskt</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro" title="Wikipédia:Le Bistro – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Le Bistro" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target">Français</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-frp mw-list-item"><a href="https://frp.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vouiquip%C3%A8dia:Lo_Cabar%C3%A8t_du_Vel%C3%A2jo" title="Vouiquipèdia:Lo Cabarèt du Velâjo – Arpitan" lang="frp" hreflang="frp" data-title="Vouiquipèdia:Lo Cabarèt du Velâjo" data-language-autonym="Arpetan" data-language-local-name="Arpitan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Arpetan</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-frr mw-list-item"><a href="https://frr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Krouf" title="Wikipedia:Krouf – Northern Frisian" lang="frr" hreflang="frr" data-title="Wikipedia:Krouf" data-language-autonym="Nordfriisk" data-language-local-name="Northern Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nordfriisk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fur mw-list-item"><a href="https://fur.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichipedie:Ostarie" title="Vichipedie:Ostarie – Friulian" lang="fur" hreflang="fur" data-title="Vichipedie:Ostarie" data-language-autonym="Furlan" data-language-local-name="Friulian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Furlan</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fy mw-list-item"><a href="https://fy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedy:Oerlisside" title="Wikipedy:Oerlisside – Western Frisian" lang="fy" hreflang="fy" data-title="Wikipedy:Oerlisside" data-language-autonym="Frysk" data-language-local-name="Western Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Frysk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ga mw-list-item"><a href="https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicip%C3%A9id:Halla_baile" title="Vicipéid:Halla baile – Irish" lang="ga" hreflang="ga" data-title="Vicipéid:Halla baile" data-language-autonym="Gaeilge" data-language-local-name="Irish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Gaeilge</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gan mw-list-item"><a href="https://gan.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%BB%B3%E4%B8%8B" title="Wikipedia:廳下 – Gan" lang="gan" hreflang="gan" data-title="Wikipedia:廳下" data-language-autonym="贛語" data-language-local-name="Gan" class="interlanguage-link-target">贛語</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gd mw-list-item"><a href="https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uicipeid:Talla_a%27_Bhaile" title="Uicipeid:Talla a' Bhaile – Scottish Gaelic" lang="gd" hreflang="gd" data-title="Uicipeid:Talla a' Bhaile" data-language-autonym="Gàidhlig" data-language-local-name="Scottish Gaelic" class="interlanguage-link-target">Gàidhlig</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gl mw-list-item"><a href="https://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:A_Taberna" title="Wikipedia:A Taberna – Galician" lang="gl" hreflang="gl" data-title="Wikipedia:A Taberna" data-language-autonym="Galego" data-language-local-name="Galician" class="interlanguage-link-target">Galego</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-glk mw-list-item"><a href="https://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D9%82%D8%A3%D9%88%D9%87_%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A4%D9%86" title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن – Gilaki" lang="glk" hreflang="glk" data-title="Wikipedia:قأوه دیکؤن" data-language-autonym="گیلکی" data-language-local-name="Gilaki" class="interlanguage-link-target">گیلکی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gn mw-list-item"><a href="https://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipet%C3%A3_myangek%C3%B5i:Tekohapegua" title="Vikipetã myangekõi:Tekohapegua – Guarani" lang="gn" hreflang="gn" data-title="Vikipetã myangekõi:Tekohapegua" data-language-autonym="Avañe'ẽ" data-language-local-name="Guarani" class="interlanguage-link-target">Avañe'ẽ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gom mw-list-item"><a href="https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:Tintto" title="विकिपीडिया:Tintto – Goan Konkani" lang="gom" hreflang="gom" data-title="विकिपीडिया:Tintto" data-language-autonym="गोंयची कोंकणी / Gõychi Konknni" data-language-local-name="Goan Konkani" class="interlanguage-link-target">गोंयची कोंकणी / Gõychi Konknni</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gor mw-list-item"><a href="https://gor.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Waro_lo_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Waro lo Kopi – Gorontalo" lang="gor" hreflang="gor" data-title="Wikipedia:Waro lo Kopi" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Hulontalo" data-language-local-name="Gorontalo" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Hulontalo</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-got mw-list-item"><a href="https://got.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%F0%90%8C%B1%F0%90%8C%B0%F0%90%8C%BF%F0%90%8D%82%F0%90%8C%B2%F0%90%8D%83_%F0%90%8C%B2%F0%90%8C%B0%F0%90%8D%85%F0%90%8C%B9" title="Wikipedia:𐌱𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌲𐍃 𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌹 – Gothic" lang="got" hreflang="got" data-title="Wikipedia:𐌱𐌰𐌿𐍂𐌲𐍃 𐌲𐌰𐍅𐌹" data-language-autonym="𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺" data-language-local-name="Gothic" class="interlanguage-link-target">𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-gu mw-list-item"><a href="https://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AA%B5%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%95%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AA%E0%AB%80%E0%AA%A1%E0%AA%BF%E0%AA%AF%E0%AA%BE:%E0%AA%9A%E0%AB%8B%E0%AA%A4%E0%AA%B0%E0%AB%8B" title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો – Gujarati" lang="gu" hreflang="gu" data-title="વિકિપીડિયા:ચોતરો" data-language-autonym="ગુજરાતી" data-language-local-name="Gujarati" class="interlanguage-link-target">ગુજરાતી</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-guc mw-list-item"><a href="https://guc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipeetia:Joo%27uya_wasai_kepein" title="Wikipeetia:Joo'uya wasai kepein – Wayuu" lang="guc" hreflang="guc" data-title="Wikipeetia:Joo'uya wasai kepein" data-language-autonym="Wayuunaiki" data-language-local-name="Wayuu" class="interlanguage-link-target">Wayuunaiki</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-guw mw-list-item"><a href="https://guw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N%E1%BB%8Dt%E1%BA%B9n_int%E1%BA%B9n%E1%BA%B9t_l%E1%BA%B9do_m%E1%BA%B9_t%E1%BB%8Dn" title="Wikipedia:Nọtẹn intẹnẹt lẹdo mẹ tọn – Gun" lang="guw" hreflang="guw" data-title="Wikipedia:Nọtẹn intẹnẹt lẹdo mẹ tọn" data-language-autonym="Gungbe" data-language-local-name="Gun" class="interlanguage-link-target">Gungbe</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hak mw-list-item"><a href="https://hak.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Th%C3%A2ng-h%C3%A2" title="Wikipedia:Thâng-hâ – Hakka Chinese" lang="hak" hreflang="hak" data-title="Wikipedia:Thâng-hâ" data-language-autonym="客家語 / Hak-kâ-ngî" data-language-local-name="Hakka Chinese" class="interlanguage-link-target">客家語 / Hak-kâ-ngî</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-haw mw-list-item"><a href="https://haw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ka_hui_kaiaulu" title="Wikipedia:Ka hui kaiaulu – Hawaiian" lang="haw" hreflang="haw" data-title="Wikipedia:Ka hui kaiaulu" data-language-autonym="Hawaiʻi" data-language-local-name="Hawaiian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Hawaiʻi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-he mw-list-item"><a href="https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%96%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%9F" title="ויקיפדיה:מזנון – Hebrew" lang="he" hreflang="he" data-title="ויקיפדיה:מזנון" data-language-autonym="עברית" data-language-local-name="Hebrew" class="interlanguage-link-target">עברית</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hi mw-list-item"><a href="https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल – Hindi" lang="hi" hreflang="hi" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चौपाल" data-language-autonym="हिन्दी" data-language-local-name="Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target">हिन्दी</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hif mw-list-item"><a href="https://hif.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Samaj_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Samaj Portal – Fiji Hindi" lang="hif" hreflang="hif" data-title="Wikipedia:Samaj Portal" data-language-autonym="Fiji Hindi" data-language-local-name="Fiji Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target">Fiji Hindi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hr mw-list-item"><a href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Kafi%C4%87" title="Wikipedija:Kafić – Croatian" lang="hr" hreflang="hr" data-title="Wikipedija:Kafić" data-language-autonym="Hrvatski" data-language-local-name="Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Hrvatski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hsb mw-list-item"><a href="https://hsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Kor%C4%8Dma" title="Wikipedija:Korčma – Upper Sorbian" lang="hsb" hreflang="hsb" data-title="Wikipedija:Korčma" data-language-autonym="Hornjoserbsce" data-language-local-name="Upper Sorbian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Hornjoserbsce</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ht mw-list-item"><a href="https://ht.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedya:Kafe" title="Wikipedya:Kafe – Haitian Creole" lang="ht" hreflang="ht" data-title="Wikipedya:Kafe" data-language-autonym="Kreyòl ayisyen" data-language-local-name="Haitian Creole" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kreyòl ayisyen</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Magyar</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hy mw-list-item"><a href="https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8E%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%AB%D5%BA%D5%A5%D5%A4%D5%AB%D5%A1:%D4%BD%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%B0%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6" title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան – Armenian" lang="hy" hreflang="hy" data-title="Վիքիպեդիա:Խորհրդարան" data-language-autonym="Հայերեն" data-language-local-name="Armenian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Հայերեն</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hyw mw-list-item"><a href="https://hyw.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%88%D6%82%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%AB%D6%83%D5%A5%D5%BF%D5%AB%D5%A1:%D4%B6%D6%80%D5%B8%D6%82%D6%81%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%B6" title="Ուիքիփետիա:Զրուցարան – Western Armenian" lang="hyw" hreflang="hyw" data-title="Ուիքիփետիա:Զրուցարան" data-language-autonym="Արեւմտահայերէն" data-language-local-name="Western Armenian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Արեւմտահայերէն</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ia mw-list-item"><a href="https://ia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taverna" title="Wikipedia:Taverna – Interlingua" lang="ia" hreflang="ia" data-title="Wikipedia:Taverna" data-language-autonym="Interlingua" data-language-local-name="Interlingua" class="interlanguage-link-target">Interlingua</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-iba mw-list-item"><a href="https://iba.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kupi" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kupi – Iban" lang="iba" hreflang="iba" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kupi" data-language-autonym="Jaku Iban" data-language-local-name="Iban" class="interlanguage-link-target">Jaku Iban</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Indonesia</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ie mw-list-item"><a href="https://ie.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Li_Trincatoria" title="Wikipedia:Li Trincatoria – Interlingue" lang="ie" hreflang="ie" data-title="Wikipedia:Li Trincatoria" data-language-autonym="Interlingue" data-language-local-name="Interlingue" class="interlanguage-link-target">Interlingue</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ig mw-list-item"><a href="https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:%E1%BB%A4%CC%80gb%C3%A0mmiri" title="Wikipidia:Ụ̀gbàmmiri – Igbo" lang="ig" hreflang="ig" data-title="Wikipidia:Ụ̀gbàmmiri" data-language-autonym="Igbo" data-language-local-name="Igbo" class="interlanguage-link-target">Igbo</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ik mw-list-item"><a href="https://ik.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Qargi" title="Wikipedia:Qargi – Inupiaq" lang="ik" hreflang="ik" data-title="Wikipedia:Qargi" data-language-autonym="Iñupiatun" data-language-local-name="Inupiaq" class="interlanguage-link-target">Iñupiatun</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ilo mw-list-item"><a href="https://ilo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dap-ayan" title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan – Iloko" lang="ilo" hreflang="ilo" data-title="Wikipedia:Dap-ayan" data-language-autonym="Ilokano" data-language-local-name="Iloko" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ilokano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-io mw-list-item"><a href="https://io.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedio:Generala_debato" title="Wikipedio:Generala debato – Ido" lang="io" hreflang="io" data-title="Wikipedio:Generala debato" data-language-autonym="Ido" data-language-local-name="Ido" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ido</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-is mw-list-item"><a href="https://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potturinn" title="Wikipedia:Potturinn – Icelandic" lang="is" hreflang="is" data-title="Wikipedia:Potturinn" data-language-autonym="Íslenska" data-language-local-name="Icelandic" class="interlanguage-link-target">Íslenska</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-it mw-list-item"><a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar" title="Wikipedia:Bar – Italian" lang="it" hreflang="it" data-title="Wikipedia:Bar" data-language-autonym="Italiano" data-language-local-name="Italian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Italiano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-iu mw-list-item"><a href="https://iu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%90%85%E1%90%83%E1%91%AD%E1%90%B1%E1%91%8E%E1%90%8A:%E1%90%B9%E1%95%90%E1%93%82%E1%96%85" title="ᐅᐃᑭᐱᑎᐊ:ᐹᕐᓂᖅ – Inuktitut" lang="iu" hreflang="iu" data-title="ᐅᐃᑭᐱᑎᐊ:ᐹᕐᓂᖅ" data-language-autonym="ᐃᓄᒃᑎᑐᑦ / inuktitut" data-language-local-name="Inuktitut" class="interlanguage-link-target">ᐃᓄᒃᑎᑐᑦ / inuktitut</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ja mw-list-item"><a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%95%E6%88%B8%E7%AB%AF" title="Wikipedia:井戸端 – Japanese" lang="ja" hreflang="ja" data-title="Wikipedia:井戸端" data-language-autonym="日本語" data-language-local-name="Japanese" class="interlanguage-link-target">日本語</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jam mw-list-item"><a href="https://jam.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidia:Vilij_skwier" title="Wikipidia:Vilij skwier – Jamaican Creole English" lang="jam" hreflang="jam" data-title="Wikipidia:Vilij skwier" data-language-autonym="Patois" data-language-local-name="Jamaican Creole English" class="interlanguage-link-target">Patois</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jbo mw-list-item"><a href="https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/uikipedi%27as:bende_ckupau" title="uikipedi'as:bende ckupau – Lojban" lang="jbo" hreflang="jbo" data-title="uikipedi'as:bende ckupau" data-language-autonym="La .lojban." data-language-local-name="Lojban" class="interlanguage-link-target">La .lojban.</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-jv mw-list-item"><a href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Angkringan" title="Wikipédia:Angkringan – Javanese" lang="jv" hreflang="jv" data-title="Wikipédia:Angkringan" data-language-autonym="Jawa" data-language-local-name="Javanese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Jawa</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ka mw-list-item"><a href="https://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%9E%E1%83%94%E1%83%93%E1%83%98%E1%83%90:%E1%83%A4%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A0%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9B%E1%83%98" title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი – Georgian" lang="ka" hreflang="ka" data-title="ვიკიპედია:ფორუმი" data-language-autonym="ქართული" data-language-local-name="Georgian" class="interlanguage-link-target">ქართული</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kaa mw-list-item"><a href="https://kaa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Forum" title="Wikipedia:Forum – Kara-Kalpak" lang="kaa" hreflang="kaa" data-title="Wikipedia:Forum" data-language-autonym="Qaraqalpaqsha" data-language-local-name="Kara-Kalpak" class="interlanguage-link-target">Qaraqalpaqsha</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kab mw-list-item"><a href="https://kab.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tajma%C9%9Bt" title="Wikipedia:Tajmaɛt – Kabyle" lang="kab" hreflang="kab" data-title="Wikipedia:Tajmaɛt" data-language-autonym="Taqbaylit" data-language-local-name="Kabyle" class="interlanguage-link-target">Taqbaylit</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ki mw-list-item"><a href="https://ki.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Kikuyu" lang="ki" hreflang="ki" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Gĩkũyũ" data-language-local-name="Kikuyu" class="interlanguage-link-target">Gĩkũyũ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kk mw-list-item"><a href="https://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Уикипедия:Форум – Kazakh" lang="kk" hreflang="kk" data-title="Уикипедия:Форум" data-language-autonym="Қазақша" data-language-local-name="Kazakh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Қазақша</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kl mw-list-item"><a href="https://kl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Katersortarfik" title="Wikipedia:Katersortarfik – Kalaallisut" lang="kl" hreflang="kl" data-title="Wikipedia:Katersortarfik" data-language-autonym="Kalaallisut" data-language-local-name="Kalaallisut" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kalaallisut</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kn mw-list-item"><a href="https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%85%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B3%E0%B2%BF_%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%86" title="ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯ:ಅರಳಿ ಕಟ್ಟೆ – Kannada" lang="kn" hreflang="kn" data-title="ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯ:ಅರಳಿ ಕಟ್ಟೆ" data-language-autonym="ಕನ್ನಡ" data-language-local-name="Kannada" class="interlanguage-link-target">ಕನ್ನಡ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ko mw-list-item"><a href="https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:%EC%82%AC%EB%9E%91%EB%B0%A9" title="위키백과:사랑방 – Korean" lang="ko" hreflang="ko" data-title="위키백과:사랑방" data-language-autonym="한국어" data-language-local-name="Korean" class="interlanguage-link-target">한국어</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-krc mw-list-item"><a href="https://krc.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум – Karachay-Balkar" lang="krc" hreflang="krc" data-title="Википедия:Форум" data-language-autonym="Къарачай-малкъар" data-language-local-name="Karachay-Balkar" class="interlanguage-link-target">Къарачай-малкъар</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%86%D9%88%DA%A9" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چوک – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چوک" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target">कॉशुर / کٲشُر</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ksh mw-list-item"><a href="https://ksh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Klaaf:Op_dr_Eck" title="Wikipedia Klaaf:Op dr Eck – Colognian" lang="ksh" hreflang="ksh" data-title="Wikipedia Klaaf:Op dr Eck" data-language-autonym="Ripoarisch" data-language-local-name="Colognian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ripoarisch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ku mw-list-item"><a href="https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%AEk%C3%AEpediya:D%C3%AEwan" title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan – Kurdish" lang="ku" hreflang="ku" data-title="Wîkîpediya:Dîwan" data-language-autonym="Kurdî" data-language-local-name="Kurdish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kurdî</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-kw mw-list-item"><a href="https://kw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:An_tavern" title="Wikipedia:An tavern – Cornish" lang="kw" hreflang="kw" data-title="Wikipedia:An tavern" data-language-autonym="Kernowek" data-language-local-name="Cornish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Kernowek</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ky mw-list-item"><a href="https://ky.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%96%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B" title="Википедия:Жамаат порталы – Kyrgyz" lang="ky" hreflang="ky" data-title="Википедия:Жамаат порталы" data-language-autonym="Кыргызча" data-language-local-name="Kyrgyz" class="interlanguage-link-target">Кыргызча</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-la mw-list-item"><a href="https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Taberna" title="Vicipaedia:Taberna – Latin" lang="la" hreflang="la" data-title="Vicipaedia:Taberna" data-language-autonym="Latina" data-language-local-name="Latin" class="interlanguage-link-target">Latina</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lad mw-list-item"><a href="https://lad.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedya:La_Kavan%C3%A9" title="Vikipedya:La Kavané – Ladino" lang="lad" hreflang="lad" data-title="Vikipedya:La Kavané" data-language-autonym="Ladino" data-language-local-name="Ladino" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ladino</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lb mw-list-item"><a href="https://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_Staminee" title="Wikipedia:De Staminee – Luxembourgish" lang="lb" hreflang="lb" data-title="Wikipedia:De Staminee" data-language-autonym="Lëtzebuergesch" data-language-local-name="Luxembourgish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Lëtzebuergesch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lbe mw-list-item"><a href="https://lbe.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум – Lak" lang="lbe" hreflang="lbe" data-title="Википедия:Форум" data-language-autonym="Лакку" data-language-local-name="Lak" class="interlanguage-link-target">Лакку</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lez mw-list-item"><a href="https://lez.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум – Lezghian" lang="lez" hreflang="lez" data-title="Википедия:Форум" data-language-autonym="Лезги" data-language-local-name="Lezghian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Лезги</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lfn mw-list-item"><a href="https://lfn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipedia:Conversa_comunial" title="Vicipedia:Conversa comunial – Lingua Franca Nova" lang="lfn" hreflang="lfn" data-title="Vicipedia:Conversa comunial" data-language-autonym="Lingua Franca Nova" data-language-local-name="Lingua Franca Nova" class="interlanguage-link-target">Lingua Franca Nova</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lg mw-list-item"><a href="https://lg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Ganda" lang="lg" hreflang="lg" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Luganda" data-language-local-name="Ganda" class="interlanguage-link-target">Luganda</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-li mw-list-item"><a href="https://li.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kaffee" title="Wikipedia:De kaffee – Limburgish" lang="li" hreflang="li" data-title="Wikipedia:De kaffee" data-language-autonym="Limburgs" data-language-local-name="Limburgish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Limburgs</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lld mw-list-item"><a href="https://lld.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9_ladin" title="Wikipedia:Café ladin – Ladin" lang="lld" hreflang="lld" data-title="Wikipedia:Café ladin" data-language-autonym="Ladin" data-language-local-name="Ladin" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ladin</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lmo mw-list-item"><a href="https://lmo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Grot" title="Wikipedia:Grot – Lombard" lang="lmo" hreflang="lmo" data-title="Wikipedia:Grot" data-language-autonym="Lombard" data-language-local-name="Lombard" class="interlanguage-link-target">Lombard</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ln mw-list-item"><a href="https://ln.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:B%C3%ADs%C3%B3_na_b%C3%ADs%C3%B3" title="Wikipedia:Bísó na bísó – Lingala" lang="ln" hreflang="ln" data-title="Wikipedia:Bísó na bísó" data-language-autonym="Lingála" data-language-local-name="Lingala" class="interlanguage-link-target">Lingála</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lo mw-list-item"><a href="https://lo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%BA%A7%E0%BA%B4%E0%BA%81%E0%BA%B4%E0%BA%9E%E0%BA%B5%E0%BB%80%E0%BA%94%E0%BA%8D:%E0%BA%AA%E0%BA%B0%E0%BA%9E%E0%BA%B2%E0%BA%81%E0%BA%B2%E0%BB%81%E0%BA%9F" title="ວິກິພີເດຍ:ສະພາກາແຟ – Lao" lang="lo" hreflang="lo" data-title="ວິກິພີເດຍ:ສະພາກາແຟ" data-language-autonym="ລາວ" data-language-local-name="Lao" class="interlanguage-link-target">ລາວ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lt mw-list-item"><a href="https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedija:Forumas" title="Vikipedija:Forumas – Lithuanian" lang="lt" hreflang="lt" data-title="Vikipedija:Forumas" data-language-autonym="Lietuvių" data-language-local-name="Lithuanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Lietuvių</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ltg mw-list-item"><a href="https://ltg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedeja:D%C5%ABmu_meits" title="Vikipedeja:Dūmu meits – Latgalian" lang="ltg" hreflang="ltg" data-title="Vikipedeja:Dūmu meits" data-language-autonym="Latgaļu" data-language-local-name="Latgalian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Latgaļu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-lv mw-list-item"><a href="https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikip%C4%93dija:Kopienas_port%C4%81ls" title="Vikipēdija:Kopienas portāls – Latvian" lang="lv" hreflang="lv" data-title="Vikipēdija:Kopienas portāls" data-language-autonym="Latviešu" data-language-local-name="Latvian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Latviešu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mad mw-list-item"><a href="https://mad.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A8%E1%B8%8Dia:B%C3%A2rung_Kopi" title="Wikipèḍia:Bârung Kopi – Madurese" lang="mad" hreflang="mad" data-title="Wikipèḍia:Bârung Kopi" data-language-autonym="Madhurâ" data-language-local-name="Madurese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Madhurâ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mai mw-list-item"><a href="https://mai.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपिडिया:चबुतरा – Maithili" lang="mai" hreflang="mai" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चबुतरा" data-language-autonym="मैथिली" data-language-local-name="Maithili" class="interlanguage-link-target">मैथिली</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-map-bms mw-list-item"><a href="https://map-bms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dopokan" title="Wikipedia:Dopokan – Banyumasan" lang="jv-x-bms" hreflang="jv-x-bms" data-title="Wikipedia:Dopokan" data-language-autonym="Basa Banyumasan" data-language-local-name="Banyumasan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Basa Banyumasan</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mg mw-list-item"><a href="https://mg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dinika" title="Wikipedia:Dinika – Malagasy" lang="mg" hreflang="mg" data-title="Wikipedia:Dinika" data-language-autonym="Malagasy" data-language-local-name="Malagasy" class="interlanguage-link-target">Malagasy</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mi mw-list-item"><a href="https://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:K%C5%8Drero" title="Wikipedia:Kōrero – Māori" lang="mi" hreflang="mi" data-title="Wikipedia:Kōrero" data-language-autonym="Māori" data-language-local-name="Māori" class="interlanguage-link-target">Māori</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-min mw-list-item"><a href="https://min.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kadai_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Kadai Kopi – Minangkabau" lang="min" hreflang="min" data-title="Wikipedia:Kadai Kopi" data-language-autonym="Minangkabau" data-language-local-name="Minangkabau" class="interlanguage-link-target">Minangkabau</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mk mw-list-item"><a href="https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%BC%D0%B0" title="Википедија:Селска чешма – Macedonian" lang="mk" hreflang="mk" data-title="Википедија:Селска чешма" data-language-autonym="Македонски" data-language-local-name="Macedonian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Македонски</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ml mw-list-item"><a href="https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF:%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%9E%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D" title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത് – Malayalam" lang="ml" hreflang="ml" data-title="വിക്കിപീഡിയ:പഞ്ചായത്ത്" data-language-autonym="മലയാളം" data-language-local-name="Malayalam" class="interlanguage-link-target">മലയാളം</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mn mw-list-item"><a href="https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D0%A5%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB" title="Википедиа:Хурал – Mongolian" lang="mn" hreflang="mn" data-title="Википедиа:Хурал" data-language-autonym="Монгол" data-language-local-name="Mongolian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Монгол</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mni mw-list-item"><a href="https://mni.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EA%AF%8B%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%80%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%84%EA%AF%A6%EA%AF%97%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%8C%EA%AF%A5:%EA%AF%83%EA%AF%A4%EA%AF%8C%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%9D%EA%AF%92%EA%AF%A4_%EA%AF%84%EA%AF%A8%EA%AF%9F%EA%AF%90%EA%AF%9D_%EA%AF%8C%EA%AF%A5%EA%AF%8E%EA%AF%90%EA%AF%9D" title="ꯋꯤꯀꯤꯄꯦꯗꯤꯌꯥ:ꯃꯤꯌꯥꯝꯒꯤ ꯄꯨꯟꯐꯝ ꯌꯥꯎꯐꯝ – Manipuri" lang="mni" hreflang="mni" data-title="ꯋꯤꯀꯤꯄꯦꯗꯤꯌꯥ:ꯃꯤꯌꯥꯝꯒꯤ ꯄꯨꯟꯐꯝ ꯌꯥꯎꯐꯝ" data-language-autonym="ꯃꯤꯇꯩ ꯂꯣꯟ" data-language-local-name="Manipuri" class="interlanguage-link-target">ꯃꯤꯇꯩ ꯂꯣꯟ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mr mw-list-item"><a href="https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%80" title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/प्रगती – Marathi" lang="mr" hreflang="mr" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चावडी/प्रगती" data-language-autonym="मराठी" data-language-local-name="Marathi" class="interlanguage-link-target">मराठी</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ms mw-list-item"><a href="https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kedai_Kopi" title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi – Malay" lang="ms" hreflang="ms" data-title="Wikipedia:Kedai Kopi" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Melayu" data-language-local-name="Malay" class="interlanguage-link-target">Bahasa Melayu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mt mw-list-item"><a href="https://mt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pjazza" title="Wikipedija:Pjazza – Maltese" lang="mt" hreflang="mt" data-title="Wikipedija:Pjazza" data-language-autonym="Malti" data-language-local-name="Maltese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Malti</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mwl mw-list-item"><a href="https://mwl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biquip%C3%A9dia:Taberna" title="Biquipédia:Taberna – Mirandese" lang="mwl" hreflang="mwl" data-title="Biquipédia:Taberna" data-language-autonym="Mirandés" data-language-local-name="Mirandese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Mirandés</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-my mw-list-item"><a href="https://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%80%80%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%92%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%96%E1%80%80%E1%80%BA%E1%80%9B%E1%80%8A%E1%80%BA%E1%80%86%E1%80%AD%E1%80%AF%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA" title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင် – Burmese" lang="my" hreflang="my" data-title="ဝီကီပီးဒီးယား:လက်ဖက်ရည်ဆိုင်" data-language-autonym="မြန်မာဘာသာ" data-language-local-name="Burmese" class="interlanguage-link-target">မြန်မာဘာသာ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-mzn mw-list-item"><a href="https://mzn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86_%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B4" title="ویکی‌پدیا:کارورون لوش – Mazanderani" lang="mzn" hreflang="mzn" data-title="ویکی‌پدیا:کارورون لوش" data-language-autonym="مازِرونی" data-language-local-name="Mazanderani" class="interlanguage-link-target">مازِرونی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-na mw-list-item"><a href="https://na.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Domaneab" title="Wikipedia:Domaneab – Nauru" lang="na" hreflang="na" data-title="Wikipedia:Domaneab" data-language-autonym="Dorerin Naoero" data-language-local-name="Nauru" class="interlanguage-link-target">Dorerin Naoero</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nah mw-list-item"><a href="https://nah.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huiquipedia:Tlecuitl" title="Huiquipedia:Tlecuitl – Nahuatl" lang="nah" hreflang="nah" data-title="Huiquipedia:Tlecuitl" data-language-autonym="Nāhuatl" data-language-local-name="Nahuatl" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nāhuatl</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nap mw-list-item"><a href="https://nap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:C%C3%ACrculo" title="Wikipedia:Cìrculo – Neapolitan" lang="nap" hreflang="nap" data-title="Wikipedia:Cìrculo" data-language-autonym="Napulitano" data-language-local-name="Neapolitan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Napulitano</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nds mw-list-item"><a href="https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ik_bruuk_H%C3%BClp" title="Wikipedia:Ik bruuk Hülp – Low German" lang="nds" hreflang="nds" data-title="Wikipedia:Ik bruuk Hülp" data-language-autonym="Plattdüütsch" data-language-local-name="Low German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Plattdüütsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nds-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nds-nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Praothoek" title="Wikipedia:Praothoek – Low Saxon" lang="nds-NL" hreflang="nds-NL" data-title="Wikipedia:Praothoek" data-language-autonym="Nedersaksies" data-language-local-name="Low Saxon" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nedersaksies</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80" title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चौतारी" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target">नेपाली</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nia mw-list-item"><a href="https://nia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Monganga_afo" title="Wikipedia:Monganga afo – Nias" lang="nia" hreflang="nia" data-title="Wikipedia:Monganga afo" data-language-autonym="Li Niha" data-language-local-name="Nias" class="interlanguage-link-target">Li Niha</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nl mw-list-item"><a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg" title="Wikipedia:De kroeg – Dutch" lang="nl" hreflang="nl" data-title="Wikipedia:De kroeg" data-language-autonym="Nederlands" data-language-local-name="Dutch" class="interlanguage-link-target">Nederlands</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nn mw-list-item"><a href="https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Samfunnshuset" title="Wikipedia:Samfunnshuset – Norwegian Nynorsk" lang="nn" hreflang="nn" data-title="Wikipedia:Samfunnshuset" data-language-autonym="Norsk nynorsk" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Nynorsk" class="interlanguage-link-target">Norsk nynorsk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget" title="Wikipedia:Tinget – Norwegian Bokmål" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Tinget" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Bokmål" class="interlanguage-link-target">Norsk bokmål</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nov mw-list-item"><a href="https://nov.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Li_komun_chambre" title="Wikipedia:Li komun chambre – Novial" lang="nov" hreflang="nov" data-title="Wikipedia:Li komun chambre" data-language-autonym="Novial" data-language-local-name="Novial" class="interlanguage-link-target">Novial</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nqo mw-list-item"><a href="https://nqo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DF%A5%DF%9E%DF%8C%DF%94%DF%98%DF%8B%DF%9E%DF%8E:%DF%93%DF%8F%DF%AC%DF%9F%DF%8F%DF%B2" title="ߥߞߌߔߘߋߞߎ:ߓߏ߬ߟߏ߲ – N’Ko" lang="nqo" hreflang="nqo" data-title="ߥߞߌߔߘߋߞߎ:ߓߏ߬ߟߏ߲" data-language-autonym="ߒߞߏ" data-language-local-name="N’Ko" class="interlanguage-link-target">ߒߞߏ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-nv mw-list-item"><a href="https://nv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiib%C3%AD%C3%ADdiiya:%C3%81%C5%82ah_n%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%A1dleehdi" title="Wikiibíídiiya:Áłah náʼádleehdi – Navajo" lang="nv" hreflang="nv" data-title="Wikiibíídiiya:Áłah náʼádleehdi" data-language-autonym="Diné bizaad" data-language-local-name="Navajo" class="interlanguage-link-target">Diné bizaad</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ny badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://ny.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Nyanja" lang="ny" hreflang="ny" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Chi-Chewa" data-language-local-name="Nyanja" class="interlanguage-link-target">Chi-Chewa</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-oc mw-list-item"><a href="https://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A8dia:La_tav%C3%A8rna" title="Wikipèdia:La tavèrna – Occitan" lang="oc" hreflang="oc" data-title="Wikipèdia:La tavèrna" data-language-autonym="Occitan" data-language-local-name="Occitan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Occitan</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-or mw-list-item"><a href="https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%89%E0%AC%87%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A1%E0%AC%BC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%86:%E0%AC%86%E0%AC%B2%E0%AD%8B%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%A8%E0%AC%BE_%E0%AC%B8%E0%AC%AD%E0%AC%BE" title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ଆଲୋଚନା ସଭା – Odia" lang="or" hreflang="or" data-title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ଆଲୋଚନା ସଭା" data-language-autonym="ଓଡ଼ିଆ" data-language-local-name="Odia" class="interlanguage-link-target">ଓଡ଼ିଆ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-os mw-list-item"><a href="https://os.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8:%D0%9D%D1%8B%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%81" title="Википеди:Ныхас – Ossetic" lang="os" hreflang="os" data-title="Википеди:Ныхас" data-language-autonym="Ирон" data-language-local-name="Ossetic" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ирон</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pa mw-list-item"><a href="https://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86:%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B1%E0%A8%A5" title="ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਸੱਥ – Punjabi" lang="pa" hreflang="pa" data-title="ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਸੱਥ" data-language-autonym="ਪੰਜਾਬੀ" data-language-local-name="Punjabi" class="interlanguage-link-target">ਪੰਜਾਬੀ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pcd mw-list-item"><a href="https://pcd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Accueul_del_conminnit%C3%A9" title="Wikipedia:Accueul del conminnité – Picard" lang="pcd" hreflang="pcd" data-title="Wikipedia:Accueul del conminnité" data-language-autonym="Picard" data-language-local-name="Picard" class="interlanguage-link-target">Picard</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pdc mw-list-item"><a href="https://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gmeeschafts-Portal" title="Wikipedia:Gmeeschafts-Portal – Pennsylvania German" lang="pdc" hreflang="pdc" data-title="Wikipedia:Gmeeschafts-Portal" data-language-autonym="Deitsch" data-language-local-name="Pennsylvania German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Deitsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pfl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pfl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Schdammdisch" title="Wikipedia:Schdammdisch – Palatine German" lang="pfl" hreflang="pfl" data-title="Wikipedia:Schdammdisch" data-language-autonym="Pälzisch" data-language-local-name="Palatine German" class="interlanguage-link-target">Pälzisch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pi mw-list-item"><a href="https://pi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8_Mantana_%E1%B9%ADh%C4%81na" title="मन्तन ठान Mantana ṭhāna – Pali" lang="pi" hreflang="pi" data-title="मन्तन ठान Mantana ṭhāna" data-language-autonym="पालि" data-language-local-name="Pali" class="interlanguage-link-target">पालि</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pih mw-list-item"><a href="https://pih.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Trii%27nohlij" title="Wikipedia:Trii'nohlij – Norfuk / Pitkern" lang="pih" hreflang="pih" data-title="Wikipedia:Trii'nohlij" data-language-autonym="Norfuk / Pitkern" data-language-local-name="Norfuk / Pitkern" class="interlanguage-link-target">Norfuk / Pitkern</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka_pod_Weso%C5%82ym_Encyklopedyst%C4%85" title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka pod Wesołym Encyklopedystą – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Kawiarenka pod Wesołym Encyklopedystą" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Polski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pms mw-list-item"><a href="https://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_ant_sla_Wikipedia:Pi%C3%B2la" title="Discussion ant sla Wikipedia:Piòla – Piedmontese" lang="pms" hreflang="pms" data-title="Discussion ant sla Wikipedia:Piòla" data-language-autonym="Piemontèis" data-language-local-name="Piedmontese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Piemontèis</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pnt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pnt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%91%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AC" title="Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά – Pontic" lang="pnt" hreflang="pnt" data-title="Βικιπαίδεια:Αγορά" data-language-autonym="Ποντιακά" data-language-local-name="Pontic" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ποντιακά</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D9%86%DA%89%D8%A7%D8%B1%DA%81%D8%A7%DB%8C" title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:بنډارځای" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target">پښتو</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt mw-list-item"><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada" title="Wikipédia:Esplanada – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Esplanada" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Português</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rm mw-list-item"><a href="https://rm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:La_pinta" title="Wikipedia:La pinta – Romansh" lang="rm" hreflang="rm" data-title="Wikipedia:La pinta" data-language-autonym="Rumantsch" data-language-local-name="Romansh" class="interlanguage-link-target">Rumantsch</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rmy mw-list-item"><a href="https://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipidiya:Maladipnasko_than" title="Vikipidiya:Maladipnasko than – Vlax Romani" lang="rmy" hreflang="rmy" data-title="Vikipidiya:Maladipnasko than" data-language-autonym="Romani čhib" data-language-local-name="Vlax Romani" class="interlanguage-link-target">Romani čhib</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rn mw-list-item"><a href="https://rn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Rundi" lang="rn" hreflang="rn" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Ikirundi" data-language-local-name="Rundi" class="interlanguage-link-target">Ikirundi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ro mw-list-item"><a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cafenea" title="Wikipedia:Cafenea – Romanian" lang="ro" hreflang="ro" data-title="Wikipedia:Cafenea" data-language-autonym="Română" data-language-local-name="Romanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Română</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-roa-rup mw-list-item"><a href="https://roa-rup.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cafenea" title="Wikipedia:Cafenea – Aromanian" lang="rup" hreflang="rup" data-title="Wikipedia:Cafenea" data-language-autonym="Armãneashti" data-language-local-name="Aromanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Armãneashti</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rsk mw-list-item"><a href="https://rsk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%94%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%97%D1%86%D0%B8" title="Википедия:Портал заєднїци – Pannonian Rusyn" lang="rsk" hreflang="rsk" data-title="Википедия:Портал заєднїци" data-language-autonym="Руски" data-language-local-name="Pannonian Rusyn" class="interlanguage-link-target">Руски</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Русский</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-rue mw-list-item"><a href="https://rue.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BD%D1%96%D1%82%D1%8B" title="Вікіпедія:Портал комуніты – Rusyn" lang="rue" hreflang="rue" data-title="Вікіпедія:Портал комуніты" data-language-autonym="Русиньскый" data-language-local-name="Rusyn" class="interlanguage-link-target">Русиньскый</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:विचारसभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:विचारसभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target">संस्कृतम्</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sah mw-list-item"><a href="https://sah.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%8D:%D0%9A%D1%8D%D0%BF%D1%81%D1%8D%D1%82%D1%8D%D1%80_%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80" title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир – Yakut" lang="sah" hreflang="sah" data-title="Бикипиэдьийэ:Кэпсэтэр сир" data-language-autonym="Саха тыла" data-language-local-name="Yakut" class="interlanguage-link-target">Саха тыла</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sc mw-list-item"><a href="https://sc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tzilleri" title="Wikipedia:Tzilleri – Sardinian" lang="sc" hreflang="sc" data-title="Wikipedia:Tzilleri" data-language-autonym="Sardu" data-language-local-name="Sardinian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sardu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-scn mw-list-item"><a href="https://scn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Circulu" title="Wikipedia:Circulu – Sicilian" lang="scn" hreflang="scn" data-title="Wikipedia:Circulu" data-language-autonym="Sicilianu" data-language-local-name="Sicilian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sicilianu</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sco mw-list-item"><a href="https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mercat_Cross" title="Wikipedia:Mercat Cross – Scots" lang="sco" hreflang="sco" data-title="Wikipedia:Mercat Cross" data-language-autonym="Scots" data-language-local-name="Scots" class="interlanguage-link-target">Scots</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88" title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:صلاح مشورو" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target">سنڌي</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-se mw-list-item"><a href="https://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:G%C3%A1ffestohpu" title="Wikipedia:Gáffestohpu – Northern Sami" lang="se" hreflang="se" data-title="Wikipedia:Gáffestohpu" data-language-autonym="Davvisámegiella" data-language-local-name="Northern Sami" class="interlanguage-link-target">Davvisámegiella</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sg mw-list-item"><a href="https://sg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Da_t%C3%AE_lisoro" title="Wikipedia:Da tî lisoro – Sango" lang="sg" hreflang="sg" data-title="Wikipedia:Da tî lisoro" data-language-autonym="Sängö" data-language-local-name="Sango" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sängö</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sh mw-list-item"><a href="https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pijaca" title="Wikipedija:Pijaca – Serbo-Croatian" lang="sh" hreflang="sh" data-title="Wikipedija:Pijaca" data-language-autonym="Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски" data-language-local-name="Serbo-Croatian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Srpskohrvatski / српскохрватски</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shi mw-list-item"><a href="https://shi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipidya:Anmuggar" title="Wikipidya:Anmuggar – Tachelhit" lang="shi" hreflang="shi" data-title="Wikipidya:Anmuggar" data-language-autonym="Taclḥit" data-language-local-name="Tachelhit" class="interlanguage-link-target">Taclḥit</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-shn mw-list-item"><a href="https://shn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%80%9D%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%B6%E1%80%AE%E1%82%87%E1%81%BD%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%90%E1%80%AE%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9A%E1%82%83%E1%80%B8:%E1%80%9C%E1%81%A2%E1%81%BC%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%99%E1%80%BA%E1%82%89%E1%81%BC%E1%80%B5%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%82%88" title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ – Shan" lang="shn" hreflang="shn" data-title="ဝီႇၶီႇၽီးတီးယႃး:လၢၼ်ႉၼမ်ႉၼဵင်ႈ" data-language-autonym="ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး " data-language-local-name="Shan" class="interlanguage-link-target">ၽႃႇသႃႇတႆး </a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F:%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%9D%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%92_%E0%B6%9A%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%9A" title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:කෝපි කඩේ" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target">සිංහල</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-simple mw-list-item"><a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simple_talk" title="Wikipedia:Simple talk – Simple English" lang="en-simple" hreflang="en-simple" data-title="Wikipedia:Simple talk" data-language-autonym="Simple English" data-language-local-name="Simple English" class="interlanguage-link-target">Simple English</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sk mw-list-item"><a href="https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kaviare%C5%88" title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň – Slovak" lang="sk" hreflang="sk" data-title="Wikipédia:Kaviareň" data-language-autonym="Slovenčina" data-language-local-name="Slovak" class="interlanguage-link-target">Slovenčina</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-skr mw-list-item"><a href="https://skr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1%DB%8C_%D8%AF%D8%A7_%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%81" title="وکیپیڈیا:برادری دا دیرہ – Saraiki" lang="skr" hreflang="skr" data-title="وکیپیڈیا:برادری دا دیرہ" data-language-autonym="سرائیکی" data-language-local-name="Saraiki" class="interlanguage-link-target">سرائیکی</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sl mw-list-item"><a href="https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedija:Pod_lipo" title="Wikipedija:Pod lipo – Slovenian" lang="sl" hreflang="sl" data-title="Wikipedija:Pod lipo" data-language-autonym="Slovenščina" data-language-local-name="Slovenian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Slovenščina</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sm mw-list-item"><a href="https://sm.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Puso_o_le_%CA%BBa%CA%BBai" title="Wikipedia:Puso o le ʻaʻai – Samoan" lang="sm" hreflang="sm" data-title="Wikipedia:Puso o le ʻaʻai" data-language-autonym="Gagana Samoa" data-language-local-name="Samoan" class="interlanguage-link-target">Gagana Samoa</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-smn mw-list-item"><a href="https://smn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:K%C3%A4hviviste" title="Wikipedia:Kähviviste – Inari Sami" lang="smn" hreflang="smn" data-title="Wikipedia:Kähviviste" data-language-autonym="Anarâškielâ" data-language-local-name="Inari Sami" class="interlanguage-link-target">Anarâškielâ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sn mw-list-item"><a href="https://sn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Shona" lang="sn" hreflang="sn" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="ChiShona" data-language-local-name="Shona" class="interlanguage-link-target">ChiShona</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-so mw-list-item"><a href="https://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Goob" title="Wikipedia:Goob – Somali" lang="so" hreflang="so" data-title="Wikipedia:Goob" data-language-autonym="Soomaaliga" data-language-local-name="Somali" class="interlanguage-link-target">Soomaaliga</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sq mw-list-item"><a href="https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kuvendi" title="Wikipedia:Kuvendi – Albanian" lang="sq" hreflang="sq" data-title="Wikipedia:Kuvendi" data-language-autonym="Shqip" data-language-local-name="Albanian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Shqip</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sr mw-list-item"><a href="https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0:%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B3" title="Википедија:Трг – Serbian" lang="sr" hreflang="sr" data-title="Википедија:Трг" data-language-autonym="Српски / srpski" data-language-local-name="Serbian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Српски / srpski</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-srn mw-list-item"><a href="https://srn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Singi_nanga_Spoto_Uku" title="Wikipedia:Singi nanga Spoto Uku – Sranan Tongo" lang="srn" hreflang="srn" data-title="Wikipedia:Singi nanga Spoto Uku" data-language-autonym="Sranantongo" data-language-local-name="Sranan Tongo" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sranantongo</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ss mw-list-item"><a href="https://ss.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Likhefi_leinthanethi" title="Wikipedia:Likhefi leinthanethi – Swati" lang="ss" hreflang="ss" data-title="Wikipedia:Likhefi leinthanethi" data-language-autonym="SiSwati" data-language-local-name="Swati" class="interlanguage-link-target">SiSwati</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-st mw-list-item"><a href="https://st.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potjho_e_kopano" title="Wikipedia:Potjho e kopano – Southern Sotho" lang="st" hreflang="st" data-title="Wikipedia:Potjho e kopano" data-language-autonym="Sesotho" data-language-local-name="Southern Sotho" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sesotho</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-stq mw-list-item"><a href="https://stq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Weerskup" title="Wikipedia:Weerskup – Saterland Frisian" lang="stq" hreflang="stq" data-title="Wikipedia:Weerskup" data-language-autonym="Seeltersk" data-language-local-name="Saterland Frisian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Seeltersk</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-su mw-list-item"><a href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sawala" title="Wikipedia:Sawala – Sundanese" lang="su" hreflang="su" data-title="Wikipedia:Sawala" data-language-autonym="Sunda" data-language-local-name="Sundanese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Sunda</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sv mw-list-item"><a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen" title="Wikipedia:Bybrunnen – Swedish" lang="sv" hreflang="sv" data-title="Wikipedia:Bybrunnen" data-language-autonym="Svenska" data-language-local-name="Swedish" class="interlanguage-link-target">Svenska</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sw mw-list-item"><a href="https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Jumuiya" title="Wikipedia:Jumuiya – Swahili" lang="sw" 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href="https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A1%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%BE:%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%9A%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%9A%E0%B0%AC%E0%B0%82%E0%B0%A1" title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ – Telugu" lang="te" hreflang="te" data-title="వికీపీడియా:రచ్చబండ" data-language-autonym="తెలుగు" data-language-local-name="Telugu" class="interlanguage-link-target">తెలుగు</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tet mw-list-item"><a href="https://tet.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kaf%C3%A9" title="Wikipedia:Kafé – Tetum" lang="tet" hreflang="tet" data-title="Wikipedia:Kafé" data-language-autonym="Tetun" data-language-local-name="Tetum" class="interlanguage-link-target">Tetun</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tg mw-list-item"><a href="https://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B0:%D2%9A%D0%B0%D2%B3%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0" title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона – Tajik" lang="tg" hreflang="tg" data-title="Википедиа:Қаҳвахона" data-language-autonym="Тоҷикӣ" data-language-local-name="Tajik" class="interlanguage-link-target">Тоҷикӣ</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-th mw-list-item"><a href="https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2:%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9F" title="วิกิพีเดีย:สภากาแฟ – Thai" lang="th" hreflang="th" data-title="วิกิพีเดีย:สภากาแฟ" data-language-autonym="ไทย" data-language-local-name="Thai" class="interlanguage-link-target">ไทย</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tk mw-list-item"><a href="https://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi%C3%BDa:%C3%87a%C3%BDhana" title="Wikipediýa:Çaýhana – Turkmen" lang="tk" hreflang="tk" data-title="Wikipediýa:Çaýhana" data-language-autonym="Türkmençe" data-language-local-name="Turkmen" class="interlanguage-link-target">Türkmençe</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tl mw-list-item"><a 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tatarça</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tum badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://tum.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Tumbuka" lang="tum" hreflang="tum" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="ChiTumbuka" data-language-local-name="Tumbuka" class="interlanguage-link-target">ChiTumbuka</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tw mw-list-item"><a href="https://tw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal" title="Wikipedia:Community Portal – Twi" lang="tw" hreflang="tw" data-title="Wikipedia:Community Portal" data-language-autonym="Twi" data-language-local-name="Twi" class="interlanguage-link-target">Twi</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ug mw-list-item"><a href="https://ug.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1_%D8%AC%DB%95%D9%85%D8%A6%D9%89%D9%8A%D9%89%D8%AA%D9%89" title="Wikipedia:تور جەمئىيىتى – Uyghur" lang="ug" hreflang="ug" data-title="Wikipedia:تور جەمئىيىتى" data-language-autonym="ئۇيغۇرچە / Uyghurche" data-language-local-name="Uyghur" class="interlanguage-link-target">ئۇيغۇرچە / Uyghurche</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uk mw-list-item"><a href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:%D0%9A%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BF%D0%B0" title="Вікіпедія:Кнайпа – Ukrainian" lang="uk" hreflang="uk" data-title="Вікіпедія:Кнайпа" data-language-autonym="Українська" data-language-local-name="Ukrainian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Українська</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ur mw-list-item"><a href="https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D8%AF%DB%8C%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%85" title="ویکیپیڈیا:دیوان عام – Urdu" lang="ur" hreflang="ur" data-title="ویکیپیڈیا:دیوان عام" data-language-autonym="اردو" data-language-local-name="Urdu" class="interlanguage-link-target">اردو</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uz mw-list-item"><a href="https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Forum" title="Vikipediya:Forum – Uzbek" lang="uz" hreflang="uz" data-title="Vikipediya:Forum" data-language-autonym="Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча" data-language-local-name="Uzbek" class="interlanguage-link-target">Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-vec mw-list-item"><a href="https://vec.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ci%C3%A0co%C5%82e" title="Wikipedia:Ciàcołe – Venetian" lang="vec" hreflang="vec" data-title="Wikipedia:Ciàcołe" data-language-autonym="Vèneto" data-language-local-name="Venetian" class="interlanguage-link-target">Vèneto</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-vi mw-list-item"><a href="https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Th%E1%BA%A3o_lu%E1%BA%ADn" title="Wikipedia:Thảo luận – Vietnamese" lang="vi" hreflang="vi" data-title="Wikipedia:Thảo luận" data-language-autonym="Tiếng Việt" data-language-local-name="Vietnamese" class="interlanguage-link-target">Tiếng Việt</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-vls mw-list-item"><a href="https://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9" title="Wikipedia:Café – West Flemish" lang="vls" hreflang="vls" data-title="Wikipedia:Café" data-language-autonym="West-Vlams" data-language-local-name="West Flemish" class="interlanguage-link-target">West-Vlams</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-vo mw-list-item"><a href="https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%BCkiped:Kafetar" title="Vükiped:Kafetar – Volapük" lang="vo" hreflang="vo" data-title="Vükiped:Kafetar" data-language-autonym="Volapük" data-language-local-name="Volapük" class="interlanguage-link-target">Volapük</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-wa mw-list-item"><a href="https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:C%C3%A5baret" title="Wikipedia:Cåbaret – Walloon" lang="wa" hreflang="wa" data-title="Wikipedia:Cåbaret" data-language-autonym="Walon" data-language-local-name="Walloon" class="interlanguage-link-target">Walon</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-war mw-list-item"><a href="https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harampangan" title="Wikipedia:Harampangan – Waray" lang="war" hreflang="war" data-title="Wikipedia:Harampangan" data-language-autonym="Winaray" data-language-local-name="Waray" class="interlanguage-link-target">Winaray</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-wo mw-list-item"><a href="https://wo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:P%C3%A9nc_mi" title="Wikipedia:Pénc mi – Wolof" lang="wo" hreflang="wo" data-title="Wikipedia:Pénc mi" data-language-autonym="Wolof" data-language-local-name="Wolof" class="interlanguage-link-target">Wolof</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-wuu mw-list-item"><a href="https://wuu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%BA%A2%E8%8C%B6%E5%9D%8A" title="Wikipedia:红茶坊 – Wu" lang="wuu" hreflang="wuu" data-title="Wikipedia:红茶坊" data-language-autonym="吴语" data-language-local-name="Wu" 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