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$(this).toggleClass("expanded"); e.preventDefault(); }); </script> <div class="grid-20 pad"> <h2 class="dark title"> <span>Re: [x3dom-users] Tony’s video</span>  <small> </small>  </h2> <div> <table id="msg58802574"> <tr> <td class="email-header"> <div> <div><b><a href="/p/x3dom/mailman/message/58802574/">Re: [x3dom-users] Tony’s video</a></b></div> <small>From: N P. <nic...@gm...> - 2024-08-04 14:36:17</small> <div class="attachments"> <small> </small> </div> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="email-body"><pre>Fyi There is a nice lib here : <a href="https://github.com/jamesleesaunders/d3-x3d" rel=nofollow>https://github.com/jamesleesaunders/d3-x3d</a> On Sat, Aug 3, 2024, 12:27 PM Andreas Plesch <and...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > Other than x3dom-users and x3d-public, you may join github and follow > x3dom development there. It is also a good way to share non-code > content such as documentation, tutorials and share app development > experiences. > > Andreas > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 8:38 PM Tony Nolan <t....@g3...> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > What lists should I be a member of, if I want to use and possibly > contribute to X3zdom? > > > > I also have a police friend, who reported to me at State Police HQ, he > is a super wiz at programming in the main languages like C C++ Python, SQL, > and servers. > > > > He would like to help out too > > > > Regards > > Tony > > > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, 1:37 am John Carlson, <yot...@gm...> wrote: > >> > >> Below > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 9:25 AM John Carlson <yot...@gm...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 8:59 AM Andreas Plesch <and...@gm...> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Tony, > >>>> > >>>> let me share this with the list since it may be interesting to a > larger group. > >>>> > >>>> See below. > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 8:18 AM Tony Nolan <t....@g3...> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Thank you both for your inputs. Please don't take my delay in > replying as disinterest, it's just a super difficult / busy time for the > next week. > >>>> > > >>>> > After that, I'm hoping to start modelling for real, rather than > demo. > >>>> > > >>>> > Yes, I have some things I could never figure out. > >>>> > > >>>> > 1. What is the absolute minimum of code I need for an object. The > 3rd party application I use has a lot of extra options. > >>>> > >>>> For a graphical object, this would mean a Shape node: > >>>> <Shape> > >>>> <Appearance> > >>>> <Material/> > >>>> </Appearance> > >>>> <Box/> > >>>> </Shape> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ah, I was not aware that Appearance and Material are required. I > assumed they could be defaulted. I do think an X3D and Scene elements are > also required to put the graphical object in a scene and make it viewable, > but I’m not aware of the latest tech. It’s been a while! > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > 2. I was never able to get a hyperlink within X3Dom code file to > switch to a different X3Dom file. > >>>> > >>>> The Anchor node may be what you are looking > >>>> for: > <a href="https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/ConformanceNist/GroupingNodes/Anchor/nested_anchor.x3d" rel=nofollow>https://andreasplesch.github.io/Library/Viewer/index.html?url=https://www.web3d.org/x3d/content/examples/ConformanceNist/GroupingNodes/Anchor/nested_anchor.x3d</a> > >>>> > >>>> > 3. I have 6 sections that print. In D3 and C3, I can show/ hide > entire objects, but never been able get it to work in X3Dom. > >>>> > >>>> Most objects have a visible attribute to show/hide objects. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, Andreas, I have not used that. > >> > >> Hint: > >> I am seeing the visible attribute on Shape, not Sphere, if you’re > confused as I was. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 4. I can never get the mouse to work right into the speed of > zooming in and out. > >>>> > >>>> The '+' and '-' keys can change the speed. The default speed can be > >>>> set with the NavigationInfo node: > >>>> <a href="https://www.web3d.org/x3d/tooltips/X3dTooltips.html#NavigationInfo" rel=nofollow>https://www.web3d.org/x3d/tooltips/X3dTooltips.html#NavigationInfo</a> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cool, I’ll have to try that. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 5. I would love to contribute and be a member of discussion groups, > and application development. I really love X3Dom, but as I'm not a > programmer, so I feel very unworthy to reach out to even ask questions. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for giving it a try ! > >>>> > >>>> > I'm happy to share when I get things started, and I'm about to get > a international award for my life time achievements for my contributions to > maths and fuzzy logic in 3d. > >>>> > >>>> No worries. -Andreas > >>>> > >>>> > Thanks for responding... > >>>> > > >>>> > Regards > >>>> > Tony > >>>> > > >>>> > On Wed, 31 July 2024, 3:34 pm John Carlson, <yot...@gm...> > wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Tony, > >>>> >> > >>>> >> It also looks like you've nailed a Fuzzy OmniCraft. See my effort > for a metamodel for Fuzzy MineCraft: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> <a href="http://coderextreme.net/FuzzyMine.txt" rel=nofollow>coderextreme.net/FuzzyMine.txt</a> dating from January 2016 > >>>> >> > >>>> >> (not a mine that I know of, just a txt file). > >>>> >> > >>>> >> My web hosting company has a virus scanning service I employ, but > it should pop-up in your browser, no scripts involved. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> John > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 11:56 PM John Carlson <yot...@gm...> > wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Andreas, thanks for sharing. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Hi Tony, > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Have you seen Ted Nelson videos describing Xanadu? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I too followed the D3.js route in X3DOM, etc., culminating in > this schema viewer (I tried WebVOWL, too slow): > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> <a href="http://coderextreme.net/x3dschema/" rel=nofollow>http://coderextreme.net/x3dschema/</a> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> (Not my code, I prepared the data) > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> It looks like you found the D3 orbit software as I did: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> <a href="https://youtu.be/p0fMd92mu5s" rel=nofollow>https://youtu.be/p0fMd92mu5s</a> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> (Not my code either, I prepared the data) > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I have more code for getting X3D JSON code (in general terms) > into a viewable state with D3.js > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> We do have ways to view X3D using x3d.py (sometimes known as > X3DPSAIL), especially in Jupyter, which you are probably familiar with. So > you can write python code and display with X3DOM in Jupyter (but Jupyter > may have changed to disable that). > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> So we could experiment with that if you like. Resources are me, > Andreas, and possibly we can bring in others. Search the x3d-public > archives. Probably Jupyter, mybinder and aono would be search terms. > >>>> >>> Having another Jupyter person could ensure the quality of x3d.py > for that purpose. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> So does your model include a self-enveloping universe? You do > bring up fractals in the video. I’ve heard the latest is fractal Big Bangs > or some such. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> If you want to help X3D, consider volunteering to enhance Blender > X3D import/export in python. It will test your knowledge of 3D and if you > read Python code, great! I need a lift to get past a few animation > difficulties. Plus x3d.py could use modifications to ensure the export of > good models from Blender—DEF/USE ordering on output. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> But your work looks more important that Blender. Do you render > X3D semantics yet? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Please check out StarcellOS (not mine): > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> <a href="https://youtu.be/rJuRTZOE99g" rel=nofollow>https://youtu.be/rJuRTZOE99g</a> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> John > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 10:40 PM Andreas Plesch < > and...@gm...> wrote: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Hi Tony, > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Thank you for your interest in x3dom and declarative 3d > graphics. It > >>>> >>>> was a bit hard to tell from your exuberant message how > successful you > >>>> >>>> were with representing an abstraction of a large knowledge > system in > >>>> >>>> 3d but I did find your youtube video which does show what > appears to > >>>> >>>> be x3dom in action here: <a href="https://youtu.be/pC-GwA3zqd8?t=209" rel=nofollow>https://youtu.be/pC-GwA3zqd8?t=209</a> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> It is great that you found a way to construct a x3d based > description > >>>> >>>> of the 3d representation of the envisioned knowledge structure. > Thanks > >>>> >>>> for sharing that process. Let me add that visualizing abstract > trees > >>>> >>>> and graphs is actually not a very uncommon use case for x3d. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Please feel free to use the mailing list if you have any x3dom > >>>> >>>> related, more technical questions or when you can share a nice 3d > >>>> >>>> model. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Good luck with the model demonstration at the conference and > please go > >>>> >>>> ahead and do share your positive experience with x3dom there, > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Andreas > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 3:53 PM Tony Nolan <t....@g3...> > wrote: > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > G'day. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > I love the idea of making the gitlab, if it opens it up for > other users, or different types of users to have access to this wonderful > software as a gateway into the 3d world. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > But as an observation, it's instructions and supporting > documents can be way too complex for simple programmers like me to easily > find answers. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > This was my experience. I use x3dom to demonstrate my Reality > of Everything model. I'm demonstrating it at an International Congress in > late September, which will go out to Scientists, Leading Academics, > Industry Leaders, of the advantages of using 3d perspectives to solve the > world's problems. In my keynote address I will be referencing X3Dom as the > software of choice to represent the data in 3d. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > To achieve this, I had to discover D3, and then learn about > X3Dom and how to insert it and make it talk to D3. Then using a translater > program make my designs / basic components into Logo, and use the publish > command to build the X3Dom code. They learning and striping away what you > don't need to make the very basics, use a word document to hold the syntax, > and Excel and Access to hold the variables values. I then mail merge this > to get my code to put into my x3dom scripts. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > Then I have to resize / scale that section of objects, to get > the final products. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > So my end result looks like a massive galaxy with solar > systems, planets, moons, etc. Where the position of everything represents > the cause and effects and the interconnectedness of everything on > everything. Where you can rotate, pull up points of view, recenter nodes of > interest. Each object of rings, tables, interconnecting lines, has metadata > attached and is displayed into the D3 containers. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > There are things I can't do like easily have lines that are > selectable, so I have to distord objects to mimic rings. A ring is in > effect a radar graph, a line from x,y,z to x1,y1,z1 where I have to make it > a box and find a midpoint and adjust offsets and scales, etc. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > But in the end I have a model with upto 1 million zones of > galaxies with planets, to up to 4 levels of quasi fractal radar plots, etc. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > The end result is using a knowledge classification scheme, > fuzzy logic, and cause and effect representation I can model how the > universe interconnects. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > This is what I am demonstrating at the end of September. One > day I hope to get it into my oculus quest, and be able to fly between my > data nodes, and visually explore my dataverse. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > But what I do and how I got to this point is not your standard > pathway or traditional usage of X3Dom. But for data scientists and > intelligence officers like me, where R and Python are the norm, X3Dom > offers so much more freedom in 3d data representation than what those > software applications can offer. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > Hence I love the idea of making X3Dom more available, but in > this for dumb non programmers like me, where our industry / research lies > in other disciplines can there be a sub stream for dummies like me to have > simple basics and cross overs to other applications and disciplines. > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > Regards > >>>> >>>> > Tony > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > On Tue, 30 July 2024, 1:27 pm Andreas Plesch, < > and...@gm...> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> I would like to get input and feedback on creating a > x3d-related group > >>>> >>>> >> under a personal gitlab account (perhaps mine). > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> The background is that I am contemplating using gitlab for > static site > >>>> >>>> >> hosting, for x3dom related material such as development > releases, > >>>> >>>> >> documentation, an x3d viewer/in browser editor or a gltf > viewer. These > >>>> >>>> >> materials are currently hosted under my personal github > account at > >>>> >>>> >> <a href="http://andreasplesch.github.io" rel=nofollow>andreasplesch.github.io</a> but I would like to move away from > using that. > >>>> >>>> >> Unfortunately, github only allows one account per user or > organization > >>>> >>>> >> so I cannot in good faith just create another github account > (say > >>>> >>>> >> x3dom-unoffiicial). > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> Gitlab is similar to github but has more powerful project > management > >>>> >>>> >> features even for the free tier. Gitlab also only allows one > user per > >>>> >>>> >> account (I believe) but each account can have multiple roots > or > >>>> >>>> >> "groups" which themselves then can contain multiple repos. For > >>>> >>>> >> example, I may create an x3dom-unofficial group under my > account. If > >>>> >>>> >> used for static website hosting, a corresponding url would be > >>>> >>>> >> <a href="http://x3dom-unofficial.gitlab.io" rel=nofollow>x3dom-unofficial.gitlab.io</a> from which then x3dom related > materials > >>>> >>>> >> could be served. "x3dom-resources" could become another > group. Gitlab > >>>> >>>> >> groups are collaborative with assigned owner, maintainer, > developer, > >>>> >>>> >> user and other roles for invited collaborators. > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> It is therefore natural to expand on this idea and think > about a > >>>> >>>> >> larger "x3d-resources" or similar gitlab group, used as an > option for > >>>> >>>> >> hosting of any x3d related resource. The main benefit would > perhaps be > >>>> >>>> >> to have the option to share a common url for diverse > resources. I > >>>> >>>> >> think this could be seen as complementary to web3d hosted > material, so > >>>> >>>> >> maybe a "web3d-aux" group may be more appropriate. A > >>>> >>>> >> <a href="http://x3d-resources.gitlab.io" rel=nofollow>x3d-resources.gitlab.io</a> site could then host x3dom related > materials > >>>> >>>> >> under <a href="http://x3d-resources.gitlab.io/x3dom," rel=nofollow>x3d-resources.gitlab.io/x3dom,</a> for example. Other > materials > >>>> >>>> >> could be served from similar urls. gitlab also supports > forwarding > >>>> >>>> >> from a gitlab url to any other url. All gitlab repos can be > automated > >>>> >>>> >> using ci runners (on gitlab servers). This is crucial since > all > >>>> >>>> >> maintenance would need to be largely automatic. > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> What are your thoughts on "x3d-*" groups on gitlab ? A > potential > >>>> >>>> >> headache due to a potential for x3d confusion or a valuable > option to > >>>> >>>> >> perhaps allow for larger participation ? > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> Thanks for reading and apologies for the longer than > anticipated message. > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> -Andreas > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> -- > >>>> >>>> >> Andreas Plesch > >>>> >>>> >> Waltham, MA 02453 > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >>>> >> X3dom-users mailing list > >>>> >>>> >> X3d...@li... > >>>> >>>> >> <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/x3dom-users" rel=nofollow>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/x3dom-users</a> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- > >>>> >>>> Andreas Plesch > >>>> >>>> Waltham, MA 02453 > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >>>> X3dom-users mailing list > >>>> >>>> X3d...@li... > >>>> >>>> <a 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