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.wmf-engineering-project-box-next{float:left}.mw-parser-output .infobox-ltr .wmf-engineering-project-box-next,.mw-parser-output .infobox-rtl .wmf-engineering-project-box-previous{float:right}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .wmf-engineering-project-box{background:transparent;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .wmf-engineering-project-box{background:transparent;color:inherit}}</style> <table class="infobox infobox-ltr wmf-engineering-project-box plainlinks"><tbody><tr><td> <div class="nomobile wmf-engineering-project-box-catlink"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Category:WMF_Projects" title="Special:MyLanguage/Category:WMF Projects">Wikimedia Foundation projects</a><span style="display:none"><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects" title="Category:WMF Projects"> </a></span></div> <div class="wmf-engineering-project-box-title">Talk pages project</div> <div class="wmf-engineering-project-box-description"></div> <table class="wmf-engineering-project-box-data"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="row">Group:</th> <td><a href="/wiki/Editing" class="mw-redirect" title="Editing">Editing</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Start:</th> <td>2019-09-01</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Team members:</th> <td><a href="/wiki/User:Bartosz_Dziewo%C5%84ski_(WMF)" title="User:Bartosz Dziewoński (WMF)">Bartosz Dziewoński</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DChan_(WMF)" title="User:DChan (WMF)">David Chan</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DLynch_(WMF)" title="User:DLynch (WMF)">David Lynch</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mvolz_(WMF)" title="User:Mvolz (WMF)">Marielle Volz</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:RYasmeen_(WMF)" title="User:RYasmeen (WMF)">Rummana Yasmeen</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:JKlein_(WMF)" title="User:JKlein (WMF)">Jess Klein</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Sherry Snyder</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Backlog:</th> <td><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/owc2020/" class="extiw" title="phab:tag/owc2020/">#OWC2020</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Lead:</th> <td><a href="/wiki/User:ESanders_(WMF)" title="User:ESanders (WMF)">Ed Sanders</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Management:</th> <td><a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" title="User:PPelberg (WMF)">Peter Pelberg</a> (product)</td> </tr> <tr class="mw-empty-elt"> </tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This page served as a place to stay up to date about the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a>. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Editing_team" title="Editing team">Editing Team</a> will use this page to share information like: </p> <ul><li><i>Decisions that need to be made</i></li> <li><i>Decisions that have been made</i></li> <li><i>Progress about feature development</i></li> <li><i>Open questions we are trying to answer</i></li></ul> <p>To receive a notification when new updates are posted, consider watching this page: </p><p><br/> <b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/Updates&action=watch"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive" role="button">☆ Watch this page</span></a></span></b> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updates"></span>Updates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updates"></span></h2></div> <p><b>Further updates about each feature can be found on subpages:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#Status_updates" title="Talk pages project/Replying">Talk pages project/Replying#Status updates</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#Status_updates" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Talk pages project/New topic#Status updates</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications#Status_updates" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Talk pages project/Notifications#Status updates</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Usability#Status" title="Talk pages project/Usability">Talk pages project/Usability#Status</a></li></ul> <p><br/> Updates are in reverse chronological order: </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="9_December_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-9_December_2021-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-9_December_2021-Updates"></span><time datetime="2021-12-9">9 December 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-9_December_2021-Updates"></span></h3></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Star showing two people talking" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg/220px-Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="209" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg/330px-Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg/440px-Adoption_Barnstar_Hires.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="487"/></a><figcaption>More than 500,000 comments have been posted with the <a href="/wiki/Reply_tool" class="mw-redirect" title="Reply tool">Reply tool</a>.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying" title="Talk pages project/Replying">Reply Tool</a>: The Reply Tool is available by default to all editors at all WMF-hosted wikis except for Meta-Wiki, Wikispecies, and the English, Finnish, and Russian Wikipedias.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: A large <a href="/wiki/A/B_testing" title="A/B testing">A/B test</a> will begin soon at 20 Wikipedias. To disable the New Discussion tool, go to Special:Preferences, click on the Editing tab, and scroll to the end of the page. Turn off "Quick topic adding" and save this change to your preferences.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Topic Subscriptions (Notifications)</a>: Manual topic subscriptions are available in the Beta Feature at all wikis. Automatic topic subscriptions have entered early testing.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">Visual enhancements</a> (Usability): Design work is underway.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="23_July_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-23_July_2021-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-23_July_2021-Updates"></span><time datetime="2021-7-23">23 July 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-23_July_2021-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p><p>Soon, the team will begin working on a <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">set of enhancements</a> to make it easier for volunteers, across experience levels, to identify and understand the conversations happening on talk pages. As we near starting the design process for this work, we have a question for you all: </p><p>🤔 <i>When looking at a talk page, what do you think would make it easier for you to know what conversations are worth reading?</i> </p><p>Please share what you think on the project's talk page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements#A_question_about_reading_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">here</a>. </p> <p><b>Summary</b></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Talk_page_empty_state.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A GIF showing an in-progress design for the new talk page empty state experience." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/343px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif" decoding="async" width="343" height="148" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/515px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/686px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif 2x" data-file-width="1544" data-file-height="667"/></a><figcaption>GIF showing an in-progress design for the new talk page <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://material.io/design/communication/empty-states.html#content">empty state</a> experience.</figcaption></figure> <p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: People who have the New Topic Tool enabled will soon have access to a new experience on empty, not-yet-created talk pages.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Topic Subscriptions (Notifications)</a>: At the end of June, manual topic subscriptions were made available as a beta feature at an initial set of seven wikis. Development of <i>automatic</i> topic subscriptions is now underway.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a>: Work continues on optimizing the database the Reply Tool depends on. Once this work is complete, we will resume offering the Reply Tool as an on-by-default feature at more wikis.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">Visual enhancements</a>: the design strategy, and set of interventions we are planning to work on as part of this project, is now published on the project page <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements#Strategy_and_approach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">here</a>.</li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools/How_it_works" title="Extension:DiscussionTools/How it works">Extension:DiscussionTools/How it works</a>: This is a new resource available to developers interested in writing gadgets or SQL queries that depend on DiscussionTools</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li>Usage: to date, people have used the New Topic Tool to start 30,000+ conversations.</li> <li>Deployments: in the coming weeks, the New Topic Tool will become available as a default feature on the first set of wikis. More details about the specific wikis and deployment timing will be posted to the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">project page</a> in the coming weeks.</li> <li>Empty talk pages: on many wikis, the majority of talk pages have not yet been created. To make the experience of creating these "empty" talk pages more intuitive for Junior Contributors, we are working on some improvements. Soon, when people who have the New Topic Tool enabled arrive on a talk page that has not been created, they will see a new placeholder that explains the purpose of talk pages as well as a clear call to action to start a new conversation. <i>Note: people will still have access to the existing, full-page editing experience, by way of the page's standard</i> Create Source <i>button.</i></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a></b></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png"><img alt="A screenshot showing a talk page where the new Topic Subscription feature is enabled." resource="/wiki/File:DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png/368px-DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png" decoding="async" width="368" height="118" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png/552px-DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png/736px-DiscussionTools_topic_subscription_screenshot_2021-06.png 2x" data-file-width="2210" data-file-height="708"/></a><figcaption>A screenshot showing a talk page where Topic Subscriptions are enabled. <i>Notice the <code>[ subscribe ]</code> link that appears within the section heading.</i></figcaption></figure> <ul><li>Usability: In June, the team completed usability testing with Junior and Senior Contributors. In short, Junior and Senior Contributor test participants found the Topic Subscription prototype to work as they intuitively thought it would/should. <i>You can review the test findings in detail <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications#Usability_testing" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">here</a>.</i></li> <li>Deployments: On 28 June, manual topic subscriptions became available as an opt-in Beta Feature at the first set of seven wikis.</li> <li>Scaling: In the coming weeks, we will begin offering manual topic subscriptions as an opt-in Beta Feature at even more projects. <i>Follow T287276 for updates.</i></li> <li>Trying topic subscriptions: You can experiment with Topic Subscriptions for yourself on any project by adding <code>?dtenable=1</code> to the URL of the talk page you are viewing.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png"><img alt="A chart showing the number of edits people have used the Reply Tool to make each day." resource="/wiki/File:Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png/332px-Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png" decoding="async" width="332" height="169" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png/498px-Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png/664px-Daily_Reply_Tool_Edits.png 2x" data-file-width="1358" data-file-height="692"/></a><figcaption>To date, people have used the Reply Tool to make ~250,000 edits. <a class="external text" href="https://superset.wikimedia.org/r/636">Source</a></figcaption></figure> <ul><li>Usage: to date, people have used the Reply Tool to post ~250,000 talk page comments.</li> <li>Deployments: the team continues to receive requests from wikis to make the Reply Tool available to all people by default. Despite this demand, and the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#Analysis_3:_Impact" title="Talk pages project/Replying">data</a> that demonstrates the positive impact the tool has on participation, deployments are paused while we continue with to make performance enhancements to ensure the tool continues to function as expected at this larger scale. <i>More information about this can be found in T280599.</i></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">Visual enhancements</a></b> </p> <ul><li>Strategy: In June, we published the design strategy and set of interventions we are planning to work on as part of the larger effort to help people, across experience levels, identify and understand the conversations happening on talk pages. <i>Read more about this strategy on the project page <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements#Strategy_and_approach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">here</a>.</i></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="30_April_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-30_April_2021-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-30_April_2021-Updates"></span><time datetime="2021-4-30">30 April 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-30_April_2021-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Percent of Junior Contributors that completed at least one comment attempt on a talk page during the AB test" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png/305px-Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png" decoding="async" width="305" height="254" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png/458px-Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png/610px-Reply_Tool_A-B_test_comment_completion.png 2x" data-file-width="3600" data-file-height="3000"/></a><figcaption>Percent of Junior Contributors that completed at least one comment attempt on a talk page during the AB test. | <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia-research.github.io/Reply-tools-analysis-2021/">Source</a></figcaption></figure> <p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a>: on 23-April-2021 we completed the analysis of the Reply Tool A/B test that ran from <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#12_February_2021" title="Talk pages project/Replying">11 February</a> through <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#16_March_2021" title="Talk pages project/Replying">10 March</a> on 22 Wikipedias. The results show the Reply Tool <b>decreases reverts</b> and <b>causes Junior Contributors to have more success</b> publishing comments. <i>More below.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: in the coming weeks, you will have the option of enabling tools for inserting pings and links in the tool's <code>source</code> mode. <i>You can try the prototype on a test wiki <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/12cdbb1f7baf0b71e7dc733aff3da949/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page">here</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a>: A prototype of the new topic subscription feature is ready for you to try. <i>You can try the prototype by following <a href="/wiki/Topic:W6arauh4qaelmgpb" title="Topic:W6arauh4qaelmgpb">these instructions</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New requirements for user signatures</a>: as of 29-April-2021, signatures will be required to contain a single line of wikitext. This affects the literal carriage return and line feed characters, not <code><br></code> and <code><p></code>. <i>More information <a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures#Disallow_line_breaks_in_signature" title="New requirements for user signatures">here</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">Visual enhancements</a>: you can read about the objectives of this upcoming part of the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a> on the recently-expanded project page <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements#Objectives" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">here</a> and follow the work as it is being defined in Phabricator <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249579" class="extiw" title="phab:T249579">here</a>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>The results are in from the A/B test of the Reply Tool that ran from <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#12_February_2021" title="Talk pages project/Replying">11 February</a> through <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying#16_March_2021" title="Talk pages project/Replying">10 March</a> on 22 Wikipedias. What follows are the conclusions we are drawing from these results and the steps we are taking next. <ul><li>The Reply Tool causes Junior Contributors to have <b>more success publishing comments</b> : <ul><li><b>72.9% of Junior Contributors</b> who opened the Reply Tool were able to publish at least one comment during the A/B test compared to 27.6% of Junior Contributors who attempted a comment using page editing. This amounts to a <b>160% increase in the comment completion rate of Junior Contributors</b> who used the Reply Tool during the test than those who used page editing.</li> <li>Junior contributors using the Reply Tool are <b>7.2 times more likely</b> to publish a comment they start than Junior Contributors using page editing.</li></ul></li> <li>The Reply Tool <b>decreases disruption</b>: <ul><li>There was a <b>79.5% decrease in the revert rate</b> of comments Junior Contributors made with the Reply Tool compared to comments Junior Contributors made with page editing.</li> <li>There was no significant increase in the number of Junior Contributors who were blocked after publishing a comment with the Reply Tool</li> <li><i>You can read the full A/B test report <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia-research.github.io/Reply-tools-analysis-2021/">here</a>.</i></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Next steps: considering the A/B test <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia-research.github.io/Reply-tools-analysis-2021/">has shown</a> the Reply Tool causes a greater percentage of Junior Contributors to publish a comment without a significant increase in disruption, we will proceed with the plan we shared in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252057" class="extiw" title="phab:T252057">T252057</a> to begin making the Reply Tool available as an opt-out preference at all Wikimedia projects. The sequence and timing of these deployments will be finalized in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280388" class="extiw" title="phab:T280388">T280388</a>.</li></ul> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_(source_mode_with_tools).png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A screenshot showing the New Topic Tool's new Souce mode." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png/326px-New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png" decoding="async" width="326" height="162" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png/489px-New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png/652px-New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png 2x" data-file-width="2062" data-file-height="1024"/></a><figcaption>A screenshot showing the New Topic Tool's new Souce mode.</figcaption></figure> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li>In response to <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257391" class="extiw" title="phab:T257391">consistent feedback</a> people have shared since the Reply and New Topic Tools were first made available, we are preparing to introduce tools for adding links and pings within the two tools' <code>source</code> modes.</li> <li>To start, these new tools will be made available as an opt-in setting. Once we have verified these new tools work in the ways people expect and value, they will be offered by default. <i>More information can be found in Phabricator <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T276607" class="extiw" title="phab:T276607">here</a>.</i></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a></b> </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A screenshot showing the topic subscription prototype." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png/354px-Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png" decoding="async" width="354" height="175" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png/531px-Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png/708px-Screenshot_of_topic_subscription_prototype.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="506"/></a><figcaption>A screenshot showing the topic subscription prototype.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>A prototype of the new topic subscription feature is ready for you to try. This prototype enables you to elect to receive a notification via Echo when someone posts a new comment in any conversation you have decided to "subscribe" to.</li> <li>To start, you will need to manually elect to receive notifications when new comments are posted in sections you are interested in. In a future iteration, we will offer people the ability to <i>automatically</i> subscribe to conversations they post comments in and/or start. <i>More information about manual and automatic topic subscriptions can be found <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263820" class="extiw" title="phab:T263820">here</a> and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T263819" class="extiw" title="phab:T263819">here</a>.</i></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="26_February_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-26_February_2021-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-26_February_2021-Updates"></span><time datetime="2021-2-26">26 February 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-26_February_2021-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a>: On 20 February, the 100,000th comment was posted with the Reply Tool.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: On 18 February, the New Topic Tool became available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a>: Design and engineering work continues on developing a new feature that will enable people to subscribe to receive updates about new comments in specific talk page discussions.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>A/B Test: On 11 February, an A/B test of the Reply Tool started at 22 Wikipedias (full list <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project#Active_initiatives" title="Talk pages project">here</a>). This test will help determine the impact the Reply Tool is having on how people post comments to talk pages. This test will also help determine whether the tool is ready to be offered as an opt-out setting at more Wikipedias.</li> <li>Scaling: a conversation is ongoing at the English Wikipedia where volunteers are sharing the experiences they have had using the Reply Tool. This conversation is part of a larger effort to learn whether volunteers at en.wiki think the tool is valuable enough to be offered as a beta feature. <i>Read the conversation and/or add to it here:</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT:Talk_pages_project#Experiences" class="extiw" title="en:WT:Talk pages project">Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project#Experiences</a></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li>Initial deployment: the New Topic Tool is currently available as a Beta feature at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias. The people who have used the tool have had positive things to say so far. Of the people who have tried the tool, most are using it more than once. <i>More info here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/52630">https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/52630</a>.</i></li> <li>Scaling: over the next couple of weeks the team will be continue monitoring how people are using the tool and explore offering the New Topic Tool as a beta feature at more projects.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a></b> </p> <ul><li>The team is actively designing and building a way for people to elect to be notified when another person adds a new comment in a specific talk page discussion (read: section). In the next 2 months, we expect there to be a prototype for you all to try.</li> <li>There is a conversation happening on the Notification project's talk page where volunteers are sharing feedback about the approach we have in mind for implementing topic subscriptions. <i>Read and/or join in here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:W3c084ihivgkm9vt" title="Topic:W3c084ihivgkm9vt">Topic:W3c084ihivgkm9vt</a>.</i></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="22_January_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-22_January_2021-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22_January_2021-Updates"></span><time datetime="2021-1-22">22 January 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-22_January_2021-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png/286px-Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png" decoding="async" width="286" height="175" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png/429px-Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png/572px-Junior_Contributor_Reply_Tool_and_full_page_edit_completion_rate.png 2x" data-file-width="2044" data-file-height="1248"/></a><figcaption>Completion rates for comments made with the Reply tool and full-page wikitext editing. <i>Details and limitations are in this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/wikimedia-research/Discussion-tools-analysis-2020/blob/master/Engagement-Metrics/Reply-Tool-Workflow-Engagement-Metrics.ipynb#Reply-Tool-(Wikitext-and-VE)-vs-Full-Page-Wikitext">report</a>.</i></figcaption></figure> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a> : On 5 January 2021, the team completed an analysis of the first ~2.5 months of Reply Tool usage at the three wikis where it is available by default (Arabic, Czech and Hungarian). A larger A/B test to evaluate the tool's impact on participation will start soon.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: Junior and Senior Contributors recently completed testing the New Topic Tool prototypes. In the coming weeks, the tool will be offered as a <a href="/wiki/Beta_Features" title="Beta Features">Beta Feature</a> at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a>: A new tool for subscribing to updates to specific talk page sections will be the first intervention we work on to increase the likelihood contributors receive relevant responses to the things they say.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/Visual enhancements">Visual enhancements:</a> one of the final components of this first phase of the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a> will be visual enhancements to help people instinctively recognize and use talk pages as spaces to communicate with people on-wiki. The stub for the project page is now up.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>On 5 January 2021, the team completed an analysis of the first ~2.5 months of Reply Tool usage at the three wikis where it is available by default (Arabic, Czech and Hungarian). The findings are encouraging, tho not conclusive considering the limited sample size.</li> <li>A notable finding from this analysis: the <b>edit completion rate for Junior Contributors using the Reply Tool is 4x higher</b> than the edit completion rate for people using full-page wikitext editing.</li> <li>You can review these findings in more detail by reading the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Metrics" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Metrics</a> section below and/or reviewing the full report: Reply Tool workflow engagement metrics.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Screenshot of version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool prototype." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/363px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png" decoding="async" width="363" height="135" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/545px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/726px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png 2x" data-file-width="1778" data-file-height="660"/></a><figcaption>Screenshot of version 1.0 of the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a> prototype.</figcaption></figure>Over the past couple of months, Junior and Senior Contributors have been trying the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/3e14959a196db0f7b0c32a35c99dc0fc/w/index.php/Project:Teahouse">New Topic Tool prototype</a> to ensure it is both intuitive to use and complimentary to how people currently add new topics to talk pages.</li> <li>Of the Junior Contributors who participated in the usability test, 9 (or 90%) <b>positive adjectives to describe the experience</b>, such as "easy", "intuitive," "straightforward" and "obvious."</li> <li>Of the Senior Contributors who experimented with the prototype, most appreciated the consistency between how the New Topic Tool and Reply Tool look and function. Some people also noted how it could be valuable to make it so the affordance (think: link, button, etc.) for starting a new topic is easier for people who are new to notice.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a></b> </p> <ul><li>During <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk pages consultation</a>, editors <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Notifications" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">expressed</a> that it ought to be easier to know about new activity in conversations they are interested in. To address this concern, the team will soon begin work on talk page Notifications. As part of our research and design process, we are curious to know: <i>What would help you become aware of this new activity? What's working with the current system? Which pages at your wiki should the team look at?</i></li> <li>We would value hearing what you have to say about the questions above at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk:Talk pages project/Notifications">Talk:Talk pages project/Notifications.</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="4_December_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-4_December_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-4_December_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-12-4">4 December 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-4_December_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a> : we have continued making the Reply Tool available to more people at more Wikipedias. On 4-November-2020, the Reply Tool became available to another ~250 Wikipedias as a Beta Feature. <i>More details in this <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#4_November_2020" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">4-November update</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: we created, shared and received feedback about <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#Version_1.0" title="Talk pages project/New topic">version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool designs</a>. <i>More details in this <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#28-October-2020" title="Talk pages project/New topic">28-October update</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Notifications</a>: we started planning and researching the work involved with improving the likelihood people know when others are saying something relevant to them on talk pages. <i>More details on the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">new project page</a>.</i></li> <li><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="This image shows a screenshot of what it could look like to add a new discussion topic to a Wikipedia talk page to someone using the New Discussion Tool's visual mode." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/439px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png" decoding="async" width="439" height="245" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/659px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/878px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1610"/></a><figcaption>This image shows a screenshot of what it could look like to add a new discussion topic to a Wikipedia talk page to someone using the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool's</a> <code>visual</code> mode.</figcaption></figure><a class="external text" href="https://dtcheck.toolforge.org/dtstats.html">Dirty Diff Detector</a> : we have continued working to improve the reliability of the Reply Tool. Over the past 5 days, an average of ~99.50% of edits made with the Reply Tool have been posted to talk pages without affecting any other parts of page.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li><i>Scaling</i>: on 4-November-2020, the Reply Tool became available as a Beta Feature at an additional ~250 Wikipedias. The next step in the scaling process is to conduct an A/B test to evaluate the impact of the Reply Tool. This will help us determine whether the process for offering the tool as an opt-out feature at all projects is ready to begin. <i>More information about this A/B test can be found on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Metrics" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Metrics</a>.</i></li> <li><i>Measuring engagement</i>: The team is analyzing the Reply Tool usage data from the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias, where the tool has been available as an opt-out feature since 24-September-2020. This analysis will help us determine whether people, across experience levels, are having success using the Reply Tool and whether people are using the tool in ways that disrupts others. <i>Once complete, the analysis results will be published on the project page here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Metrics" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Metrics</a>.</i></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li><i>Initial designs</i>: in late October, we shared and invited feedback about <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#Version_1.0" title="Talk pages project/New topic">version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool designs</a> on mediawiki.org and 15+ other Wikipedias.<sup><a href="/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi" title="Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi">[1]</a><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265956#6597992" class="extiw" title="phab:T265956">[2]</a></sup> Everyone who shared feedback expressed support for the general design direction. <i>A more detailed summary of the feedback and plans for addressing it can be found here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vy2rcl8fax0gyuxo" title="Topic:Vy2rcl8fax0gyuxo">Feedback summary: version 1.0 designs</a>.</i></li> <li><i>Prototype:</i> within the next two weeks we will have a functional prototype ready that we would value people trying and sharing what they think about it. To learn when the prototype is ready, we recommend adding the New Topic Tool's <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk:Talk pages project/New topic">project talk page</a> to your watchlist; we will post a link to the prototype there when it is ready.</li></ul> <p><b>Notifications</b> </p> <ul><li>The next area of the talk page experience we will set out to improve as part of the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a> will be notifications.</li> <li>This work is intended to increase the likelihood <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Junior</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Senior Contributors</a> receive timely and relevant responses to the things they say.</li> <li>We are currently in the planning and technical exploration phase of this project. We plan to focus on the user-facing components of the implementation during the first three months of 2021.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="16_October_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-16_October_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16_October_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-10-16">16 October 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-16_October_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://dtcheck.toolforge.org/dtstats.html">Dirty Diff Detector</a>: to ensure the new tools introduced as part of this project do not affect existing content in undesirable ways, we have created a way to detect when edits made with <a href="/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools" title="Extension:DiscussionTools">DiscussionTools</a> affect other parts of the talk page.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply Tool</a>: as peoples' use of, and confidence in the tool grows, we have been making the Reply Tool more widely available. The tool is now available at 41 Wikipedias. This is ~3x the number of Wikipedias the tool was available at the time the September update was written.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New Topic Tool</a>: we are working on mockups of the New Topic Tool. In the coming weeks we will be sharing them and will value hearing what you think of them.</li></ul> <p><a class="external text" href="https://dtcheck.toolforge.org/dtstats.html"><b>Dirty Diff Detector</b></a> </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png/470px-DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png" decoding="async" width="470" height="294" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png/705px-DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png/940px-DiscussionTools_suspicious_diffs.png 2x" data-file-width="1380" data-file-height="864"/></a><figcaption><b>Suspicious diffs:</b> this chart shows the percentage of diffs posted with the Reply Tool that affect other parts of the talk page in <i>potentially</i> disruptive ways.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>To ensure the new tools introduced as part of this project do not affect existing content in undesirable ways, we have created a way to detect when edits made with <a href="/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools" title="Extension:DiscussionTools">DiscussionTools</a> affect other parts of the talk page.</li> <li>Over the past three weeks, an average of <b>99% of Reply Tool comments</b> are posted to talk pages without affecting any other part of the page. <i>You can review the results here: <a class="external free" href="https://dtcheck.toolforge.org/dtstats.html">https://dtcheck.toolforge.org/dtstats.html</a>.</i></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png/469px-Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png" decoding="async" width="469" height="220" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png/704px-Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png/938px-Reply_Tool_Comment_Volume_as_of_15-Oct-2020.png 2x" data-file-width="2104" data-file-height="986"/></a><figcaption><b>Reply Tool comment volume:</b> a chart showing the total number of comments posted with the Reply Tool between 31-March and 15-October-2020.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>Metrics: usage of the Reply Tool continues to grow. <ul><li><i>Comment volume:</i> the number of comments people make with the Reply Tool each month has been <b>growing by 31%</b> (on average) for the past 5 months.</li> <li><i>Unique people using tool:</i> The number of unique people who have posted at least 1 comment with the Reply Tool has been <b>growing by 36%</b> on average each month, for the past 5 months.</li> <li><i>Scale:</i> to give you a sense of scale, people have used the Reply Tool to publish <b>30,000+ comments</b> to date.</li></ul></li> <li>Deployments <ul><li>14-October: the Reply Too became available as a Beta Feature at another 29 Wikipedias, bringing the total number of Wikipedias where the Reply Tool is available to 41.</li> <li>24-September: the Reply Tool became available to <i>all users</i> (logged in and out) at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias. <i>This deployment marks the first time the tool has been made available to everyone at a project by default.</i></li></ul></li> <li>Enhancements <ul><li>As of 17-September, anyone who uses the Reply Tool will have the ability to customize the edit/comment summary that is posted along with it.</li> <li>In response to feedback volunteers have been sharing, the tool will soon "remember" whether you would like the Comment summary field shown or hidden when you use the Reply Tool.</li></ul></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> </p> <ul><li>The team is working on a few different design directions the New Topic Tool could take. These design directions are intended to help us make the following implementation decisions: <ul><li><b>Initial touchpoint</b><i>: Where and what do people click to start the process of adding a new discussion topic to a talk page?</i></li> <li><b>Composition:</b> <i>Where do people draft the title and body of the topic they are planning to publish?</i></li> <li><b>Posting/Feedback:</b> <i>What is the best way to communicate to people that the topic they intended others to be able to see and interact with has been posted successfully?</i></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><i>To see how we are thinking about the New Topic Tool more broadly, you might review the design approach on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#Approach" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New topic#Approach</a>.</i></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="4_Sep_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-4_Sep_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-4_Sep_2020-Updates"></span>4 Sep 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-4_Sep_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png/461px-Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png" decoding="async" width="461" height="337" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png/692px-Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png/922px-Talk_pages_project_journey_map.png 2x" data-file-width="2450" data-file-height="1790"/></a><figcaption>A <b>journey map</b> visualizing the kinds of interactions the Editing Team is intending the new talk page tools and enhancements to case more of.</figcaption></figure> <p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a>: the team has decided on the new talk page tools and enhancements it plans to work on during this next <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Fiscal year">fiscal year</a> as part of this <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">project</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a>: an analysis of <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Metrics" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">preliminary usage data</a> showed encouraging results; many people who try the tool continue using it.</li> <li>RfC for mutli-line comment syntax: in the coming weeks, the <a href="/wiki/Editing_team" title="Editing team">Editing Team</a>, in collaboration with the <a href="/wiki/Parsing" title="Parsing">Parsing Team</a>, will start an RfC to define new wikitext syntax for demarcating multi-line comments.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>Metrics <ul><li>On 28-July-2020, the team completed an analysis of how people who enabled the Reply Tool Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias used the tool between 31-March and 30-June-2020. This analysis found: <ul><li><b>328 people</b> posted at least one comment using the Reply Tool</li> <li><b>69.5% of people</b> posted ≥ 2 comments with the Reply Tool</li> <li><b>61.3% of people</b> posted a comment using the Reply Tool on ≥ 2 distinct days</li></ul></li> <li>These results are encouraging and lead the team, and volunteers, to become more confident the tool is valuable.</li> <li><i>You can review the full analysis results in this <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Jupyter#Jupyter_Notebook" class="extiw" title="en:Project Jupyter">Jupyter notebook</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/wikimedia-research/Discussion-tools-analysis-2020/blob/master/Replying-Tool-Adoption-Metrics.ipynb">jupyter.org/github/wikimedia-research/Discussion-tools-analysis-2020</a></i></li></ul></li> <li>Deployments<figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png/439px-Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png" decoding="async" width="439" height="277" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png/659px-Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png/878px-Reply_Tool_custom_edit_summary.png 2x" data-file-width="1052" data-file-height="664"/></a><figcaption><b>Custom edit summary:</b> a screenshot showing a *provisional* implementation of custom edit summaries within the Reply Tool.</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>On 6-August-2020, the Reply Tool became available as a Beta Feature at the following Wikipedias: Catalan, Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Korean, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish and Swedish. The Reply Tool is now available at 13 total projects. A full list can be found <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">here</a>.</li> <li>In the coming weeks, the team intends to make the Reply Tool available as a Beta Feature at even more Wikipedias and as an opt-out preference at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias.</li> <li>If you would like to see the tool available at your wiki, please contact <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> or leave a message on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project" title="Talk:Talk pages project">project talk page</a>.</li></ul></li> <li>Enhancements <ul><li>Inspired by volunteer feedback <sup><a href="/wiki/Topic:Vngx5h94ybo4l7no" title="Topic:Vngx5h94ybo4l7no">[i]</a><a href="/wiki/Topic:Vnjnk29hmod70n8t" title="Topic:Vnjnk29hmod70n8t">[ii]</a><a href="/wiki/Topic:Vqbbj3k2enoa7b4h" title="Topic:Vqbbj3k2enoa7b4h">[iii]</a><a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vju7lfcav875rt8r&topic_showPostId=vkcpgb23gydy6zzp#flow-post-vkcpgb23gydy6zzp">[iv]</a></sup>, the Reply Tool will soon offer people the ability to customize the edit summaries that accompany comments posted with it. You can try experiment with a prototype that incorporates this functionality by visiting this link on a desktop computer: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/dc96f2f00de448663af8a974e571556a/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page">Reply Tool with custom edit summary</a>.</li></ul></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project"><b>Talk pages project</b></a> </p> <ul><li>The team has finalized the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-_and_low-level" class="extiw" title="en:High- and low-level">high level</a> objectives they will focus on during this <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Fiscal year">fiscal year</a>: <ul><li>Junior and Senior Contributors can respond to one another efficiently and intuitively. <i>See: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Talk pages project/Replying</a>.</i></li> <li>Junior Contributors are confident starting new conversations. <i>See: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Talk pages project/New topic</a>.</i></li> <li>Junior and Senior Contributors are aware when someone is talking to them and when someone says something new in a conversation they are interested in. <i>See: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233447" class="extiw" title="phab:T233447">T233447</a>; project page not yet published.</i></li> <li>Junior Contributors recognize article and user talk pages as places to communicate with other people and understand the kinds of topics these spaces are used to discuss. <i>See: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249579" class="extiw" title="phab:T249579">T249579</a>; project page not yet published.</i></li></ul></li> <li>The list you see above is built on the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk page consultation</a> and other research the team has done. To help visualize the kinds of talk page interactions and experiences we aspire Junior and Contributors to have as a result of this work, the team created the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nngroup.com/articles/journey-mapping-101/#:~:text=Definition%3A%20A%20journey%20map%20is,order%20to%20create%20a%20narrative.">journey map</a> pictured above.</li></ul> <p><b>RfC: new wikitext for multi-line comment</b> </p> <ul><li>List items are fragile in wikitext and there are many things (e.g. tables and images) that cannot be effectively embedded in lists. The <a href="/wiki/Editing_team" title="Editing team">Editing Team</a> and <a href="/wiki/Parsing" title="Parsing">Parsing Team</a> will soon be seeking your input on a proposal to introduce new wikitext syntax that will eliminate the aforementioned constraint and unlock new possibilities.</li> <li>You will soon be able to read more information about what approaches are being proposed and why. In the meantime, you can see more information on Phabricator here: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246960" class="extiw" title="phab:T246960">T246960</a>.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="24_July_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-24_July_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-24_July_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-7-24">24 July 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-24_July_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool's_visual_mode.png"><img resource="/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png/341px-Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png" decoding="async" width="341" height="194" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png/512px-Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png/682px-Screenshot_of_the_Reply_tool%27s_visual_mode.png 2x" data-file-width="1114" data-file-height="633"/></a><figcaption><b>Reply Tool:</b> a screenshot showing the Reply Tool's new <code>visual</code> mode, equipped with a feature for searching for and pinging other people.</figcaption></figure><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a>: On 17-June, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 2.0</a> of the Reply tool became available as a Beta Feature at our partner wikis and via a custom URL on all projects. <i>Information about how you can turn it on at <b>your Wikipedia</b> below.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New user signature requirements</a>: On 6-July, the new signature requirements were implemented on all wikis. <i>Details about these requirements and how they are being rolled out is below.</i></li> <li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>On 17-June, Version 2.0 of the Reply Tool was deployed as a Beta Feature at our four partner Wikipedias: Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian. This version's notable features include: a new <code>visual</code> mode for writing comments, complete with a new way to search for and ping other people.</li> <li>Prior to the 17-June deployment, we completed a series of usability tests with <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Junior</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Senior Contributors</a> to evaluate whether they found the new features being introduced in Version 2.0 intuitive. <i>You can review the results of these findings on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_2.0_prototype" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 2.0 usability testing</a>.</i></li> <li>The usability test findings, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#22_July_2020" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">usage data</a>, and comments from people who have been using the Reply Tool, are giving us confidence the tool is ready to be deployed more widely. Conversations are now active at our four partner wikis about making the Reply Tool available by default there.</li> <li>Anyone can try Version 2.0 of the Reply Tool at their Wikipedia by adding the following parameter to any talk page URL: <code>?dtenable=1</code>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New user signature requirements</a></b> </p> <ul><li>On 6-July, the new requirements for user signatures were turned on. This means attempts to save <i>new</i> signatures that meet any of the following conditions will be rejected: <ul><li>Signature contains <a href="/wiki/Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag" title="Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag">misnested</a> and <a href="/wiki/Special:LintErrors/stripped-tag" title="Special:LintErrors/stripped-tag">stripped</a> HTML tags</li> <li>Signature does <i>not</i> contain a link to a user's user page, talk page or contributions page at <i>that wiki</i></li> <li>Signature contains "nested" substitutions</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>Existing signatures that do not meet the new requirements will be unaffected <b>for now</b>. Eventually, all signatures will need to meet the new requirements. Before this happens, every person who has a signature that does not meet the new requirements will be notified.</li></ul> <ul><li>All of the above was announced in <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News" class="extiw" title="meta:Tech/News">Tech News</a>; announcements were also made at various projects to increase the likelihood people who follow wiki signature policy were aware.</li></ul> <ul><li><i>You can see an overview of the process in this Phabricator task: <a class="external text" href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Phab:T248632">T248632</a>.</i></li></ul> <p><b>Other talk page initiatives</b> </p> <ul><li>Editors at Basque, French, Hebrew, Persian Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese Wikiversity might find a different appearance on their talk pages.</li> <li>As announced at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/2_juillet_2020" class="extiw" title="en:fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro/2 juillet 2020">w:fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro/2 juillet 2020</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements" title="Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements">Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements</a> project is implementing a fixed width screen size.</li> <li>You can learn more about the research that informed the <a href="/wiki/Readers/Web/Team" class="mw-redirect" title="Readers/Web/Team">Web Team's</a> decision to implement this change and ask questions/provide feedback about it by going here: <ul><li>Research: <a href="/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Hureo_User_Research_Report" class="mw-redirect" title="Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Hureo User Research Report">mw:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Hureo User Research Report</a></li> <li>Discussion: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements" title="Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements">Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="16_June_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-16_June_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16_June_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-6-16">16 June 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-16_June_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p>In the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#1_May_2020">1 May 2020</a> update, we shared that <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes" class="extiw" title="metawiki:WMDE Technical Wishes">Wikimedia Deutschland Technical Wishes Team</a> is making improvements to the process for resolving edit conflicts on talk pages. <i>You can read more details about this work here: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Edit_Conflicts#Edit_conflicts_on_talk_pages" class="extiw" title="metawiki:WMDE Technical Wishes/Edit Conflicts">Edit Conflicts on talk pages</a>.</i> </p><p>In the next couple of weeks, this new edit conflict resolution interface will become available as an opt-out preference on the Wikipedias listed below. </p><p>If you have any questions about this work, we suggest reaching out to the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Edit_Conflicts" class="extiw" title="meta:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Edit Conflicts">Wikimedia Deutschland Technical Wishes Team</a>. </p><p><b>Wikipedias where new edit conflict interface will be deployed:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Train#Group_0" class="extiw" title="wikitech:Deployments/Train">Group 0</a></li> <li>de.wiki (German)</li> <li>fa.wiki (Persian)</li> <li>ar.wiki (Arabic)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="5_June_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-5_June_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-5_June_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-6-5">5 June 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-5_June_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool</a>: version 2.0 is <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing">ready for testing</a>. This new version introduces a new <code>visual</code> mode and a streamlined way of sending pings to other editors.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New topic tool</a>: designs are being created to help ease confusion and make the process for starting a new discussion more knowable.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New user signature requirements</a>: changes to signature requirements will be limited to those which directly affect the reliability and availability of <a href="/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools" title="Extension:DiscussionTools">DiscussionTool</a> features.</li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool designs</a>: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 2.0</a> of the Reply tool is ready for testing and we would value hearing what you think about it. To test this new version of the tool, <b>please review the testing instructions here:</b> <b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing#Reply_tool_version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing">Version 2.0 test instructions</a></b>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 2.0</a> usability testing: in an effort to make sure the tool functions as people expect, we are running three usability tests: <ul><li>A test with more <i>experienced</i> contributors at mediawiki.org.</li> <li>A test with people <i>new</i> to using Wikipedia talk pages on usertesting.com.</li> <li>A test with people who have <i>already used the Reply tool</i> in production on our partner Wikipedias.</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 1.0</a> of the tool is now available for testing as a Beta Feature on <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki" title="MediaWiki">mediawiki.org</a>. To turn it on, visit <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences" title="Special:Preferences">Beta Features</a> in your preferences and make sure the box next to "Discussion tools" is checked (☑️).</li> <li>Next: Once we have evidence Version 2.0 of the tool is working well and meeting peoples' expectations, it will be deployed as a Beta Feature on our partner Wikipedias (Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian).</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Starting a new discussion</a></b> </p> <ul><li>Initially, we will focus on improving the following aspects of the new discussion workflow: <ul><li>Adjusting the language throughout the workflow to make it more discussion-specific.</li> <li>Enhancing the editing tool so people can write what they want to talk about without needing to learn or know about wikicode.</li> <li>Introducing subtle automations (e.g. automatically signing posts) that guide people towards writing and posting topics that make it easy for others to understand and engage with.</li></ul></li> <li>You can read more details about this approach and examples of interventions we are exploring here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Approach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Design approach</a>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">Proposal for new requirements for user signatures</a></b> </p> <ul><li>The scope of changes to new user signature requirements will be limited to those that directly affect the reliability and availability of DiscussionTool features. These changes are: <ul><li>Unclosed HTML tags will be not be allowed in signatures</li> <li>Some uses of <a href="/wiki/Subst:" class="mw-redirect" title="Subst:">subst:</a> markup and tildes will not be allowed in signatures</li> <li>A link to a user page, talk page or contributions page will be required and at least one of these links will need to be a local page.</li></ul></li> <li>An important part of making these changes is that everyone who is affected be made aware of them. As such, we have put together an implementation and communication plan which you can review in Phabricator here: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248632" class="extiw" title="phab:T248632">phab:T248632</a>.</li> <li>Next: the finalized changes and the plan for communicating these changes will be posted to to the proposal page: <a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New requirements for user signatures</a>.</li></ul> <p><b>Trying DiscussionTools</b> </p><p>If you would like to see your community try DiscussionTool features next, please contact <a class="external text" href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)">User:Whatamidoing (WMF)</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="1_May_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-1_May_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1_May_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-5-1">1 May 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-1_May_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>The team has been focused on the following projects. More details about each can be found below.</i> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying tool</a>: on 31-March, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 1.0</a> of the new Replying tool became available as a Beta Feature on the following partner wikis: <b>Arabic</b>, <b>Dutch</b>, <b>French</b> and <b>Hungarian</b>. <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Starting a new discussion</a>: the project page has been published for the next feature we will work on, an easier and more intuitive way for starting new discussions on talk pages.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">Proposal for new requirements for signatures</a>: after 4 weeks and 150+ comments, we refined the scope of new signature requirements.</li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Reply tool designs</a>: we published the proposed designs for Version 2.0 of the new Replying tool and we would value hearing what you think about them. <i>You can review the designs and share what you think of them here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vju7lfcav875rt8r" title="Topic:Vju7lfcav875rt8r">Design feedback: version 2.0 mockups</a>.</i></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Starting a new discussion</a>: Are there aspects about how you go start new conversation threads you find take a lot of effort and would like to see improved? Is there functionality you want to make sure this new tool does <i>not affect</i>? If so, please share them on the talk page here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf" title="Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf">Current ways of starting new discussion threads</a>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying tool</a></b> </p> <ul><li>For ~4 weeks, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version 1.0</a> of the new Replying tool has been available as a Beta Feature on our partner wikis. While there is more work to be done, usage and explicit feedback, like the quote below, has been positive: <ul><li><i>"I am now very enthusiastic, good development. Delicate, intelligent, does not overwrite the usual things…"</i> | <a class="external text" href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AKonzult%C3%A1ci%C3%B3_a_vitalapokr%C3%B3l_%C3%A9s_a_k%C3%B6z%C3%B6ss%C3%A9gi_kommunik%C3%A1ci%C3%B3r%C3%B3l&type=revision&diff=22444107&oldid=22442367">source</a></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>You can review more of what people are saying about the feature by reviewing the discussion pages at each of our partner wikis: <a href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%AA%D9%82%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9#أداة_الرد،_صفحات_النقاش" class="extiw" title="ar:ويكيبيديا:الميدان/تقنية">Arabic discussion</a><b>,</b> <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Discussietools" class="extiw" title="nl:Wikipedia:Discussietools">Dutch discussion</a><b>,</b> <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Projet:Outils_de_discussion" class="extiw" title="fr:Discussion Projet:Outils de discussion">French discussion</a><b>,</b> <a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Konzult%C3%A1ci%C3%B3_a_vitalapokr%C3%B3l_%C3%A9s_a_k%C3%B6z%C3%B6ss%C3%A9gi_kommunik%C3%A1ci%C3%B3r%C3%B3l" class="extiw" title="hu:Wikipédia:Konzultáció a vitalapokról és a közösségi kommunikációról">Hungarian discussion</a><b>.</b></li> <li>Next up: we will be sharing and inviting feedback on a prototype for Version 2.0 of the new Reply tool which will introduce a new <code>visual</code> mode as well as a simplified way for pinging/@-mentioning other people.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Starting a new discussion</a></b> </p> <ul><li>To better understand how people who are new to editing Wikipedia experience starting new discussions on talk pages (article and user) we conducted four rounds of usability tests.</li> <li>Here is some of what these tests uncovered: <ul><li>None of the test participants <i>did not sign</i> the discussions they started</li> <li>Test participants <i>did not understood how talk pages worked</i> and many found it not clear where the new discussion they started would be shown and to whom it would be visible.</li></ul></li> <li>You can review the full findings on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic#Usability_testing" title="Talk pages project/New topic">New topic usability testing</a>.</li> <li>Next up: we are starting work on an initial set of designs that we will share and invite feedback on on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Talk pages project/New topic</a>.</li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">Proposal for new requirements for user signatures</a></b> </p> <ul><li>After 4 weeks and 150+ comments, we refined the scope of new signature requirements.</li> <li>Next up: we will be sharing a plan for what changes will be made and when they will be made. <b>This information will be shared ahead of time, so people directly affected by this change can make the necessary adjustments to their signatures.</b></li></ul> <p><b>Other talk page improvements</b> </p><p>We thought people following this project would be interested in knowing about another talk page-related project <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Deutschland" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Wikimedia Deutschland">Wikimedia Deutschland's</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes" class="extiw" title="metawiki:WMDE Technical Wishes">Technical Wishes Team</a> is working on: an improved interface for resolving edit conflicts on talk pages. </p> <ul><li>You can review the designs WMDE is planning to implement here: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Edit_Conflicts#Edit_conflicts_on_talk_pages" class="extiw" title="metawiki:WMDE Technical Wishes/Edit Conflicts">Edit Conflicts on talk pages</a>.</li> <li>This feature is scheduled to be deployed to an initial set of wikis in May and on all wikis sometime in June or July. Once the exact deployment date has been set, we will share it here.</li></ul> <p><b>Trying DiscussionTools</b> </p><p>If you would like to see your community try DiscussionTool features next, please contact <a class="external text" href="https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)">User:Whatamidoing (WMF)</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="17_March_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-17_March_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17_March_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-3-17">17 March 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-17_March_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying"><b>Replying to comments</b></a> </p> <ul><li><i>Version 1.0 deployment:</i> The deployment of the the new replying workflow as a <a href="/wiki/Beta_Features" title="Beta Features">Beta Feature</a> on Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias will be <b>delayed for an unspecified amount of time</b>. The team will share an update on this page as soon as a new date is set.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="12_March_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-12_March_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-12_March_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-3-12">12 March 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-12_March_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><i>Over the past month, the team has been focused on the following:</i></p><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png/389px-TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png" decoding="async" width="389" height="231" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png/584px-TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png/778px-TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png 2x" data-file-width="1509" data-file-height="898"/></a><figcaption><b>Mockup:</b> this mockup shows a proposed design for version 2.0 of the new Replying feature.</figcaption></figure><p><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying"><b>Replying to comments</b></a> </p><ul><li><i>Version 1.0 deployment</i>: Version 1.0 is scheduled for deployment on <b>Monday, 16-March-2020</b> as a Beta Feature on four partner Wikipedias: Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian. <ul><li>You can read more about how this decision was made on the Replying project page here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Deploying_Version_1.0_as_a_Beta_Feature_to_partner_wikis" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Deploying Version 1.0 as a Beta Feature to partner wikis</a>.</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><i>Version 2.0 designs:</i> the team created mockups showing a proposed design for version 2.0 of the new Replying feature. <ul><li>You can see the proposed design in this <a href="/wiki/File:TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png" title="File:TalkPages-Reply-v2.0.png">screenshot</a> and read more details about what is included in it on the Replying project page here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Version_2.0</a>.</li></ul></li></ul> <p><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_topic" title="Talk pages project/New topic">Starting a new discussion</a></b> </p><p>The next initiative the team will be working on as part of the talk pages project will be improvements to the workflow for starting a new discussion. This initiative is a part of the team's broader effort to make it easier and more intuitive to <i>participate</i> on talk pages. </p> <ul><li><i>Usability testing:</i> completed an initial round of usability testing to inform what improvements we prioritize to make it easier and more intuitive for Junior Contributors to start conversations on talk pages. <ul><li>You can see the test findings in this <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243251#5933544" class="extiw" title="phab:T243251">Phabricator ticket</a>.</li></ul></li> <li><i>Feature requirements:</i> drafted the initial requirements for the improvements to the "start a new discussion" workflow. <ul><li>You can see these requirements in this <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234825#5962717" class="extiw" title="phab:T234825">Phabricator ticket</a>.</li></ul></li></ul> <p><b>Infrastructure improvements</b> </p> <ul><li>To make it easier to reply to specific comments on talk pages, the team published, and started inviting feedback about, a proposal to codify some community-defined signature requirements into Wikipedia's software. <ul><li>You can read the proposal and share your thoughts here: <a href="/wiki/New_requirements_for_user_signatures" title="New requirements for user signatures">New requirements for user signatures</a>.<br/></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="7_February_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-7_February_2020-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-7_February_2020-Updates"></span><time datetime="2020-2-7">7 February 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-7_February_2020-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p><i>Over the past few weeks, the team has been focused on the following:</i> </p> <ul><li><b>Partner wikis:</b> finalizing the wikis we will be partnering with to trial early iterations of new talk page features.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying to comments</a>:</b> preparing for the release of version 1.0 to our partner wikis in the next 2-3 weeks and finalizing the requirements for version 2.0.</li> <li><b>Infrastructure improvements:</b> preparing an RfC to determine what wikitext syntax should be used to demarcate multi-line comments.</li></ul> <p><b>Partner wikis</b> </p><p>At the end of 2019, we invited four wikis to work closely with our team to trial early iterations of new talk pages features. In January 2020, those wikis concluded their community conversations. We are now excited to share <a href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="ar:">Arabic</a>, <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="nl:">Dutch</a>, <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="fr:">French</a> and <a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="hu:">Hungarian</a> will be partnering with the Editing Team for this project. This means, new talk page features will be deployed to these wikis first, beginning with version 1.0 of the new replying workflow in the next 2-3 weeks. </p><p><b>Replying to comments | <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Talk pages project/replying</a></b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233443" class="extiw" title="phab:T233443">T233443</a></i> </p> <ul><li><b>On-wiki testing:</b> over the past 6 weeks, 15+ contributors have tested and shared their feedback about <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Versions" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">version 1.0 of the replying prototype</a>. Their feedback has been helpful in identifying issues that needed to be resolved and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238177" class="extiw" title="phab:T238177">refining the design</a> of the feature itself. For more details about what came out of those conversations, see this thread: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcwvt3bq03o5gv8h" title="Topic:Vcwvt3bq03o5gv8h">Topic:Vcwvt3bq03o5gv8h</a>.</li> <li><b>Version 1.0 deployment timing:</b> In the next 2-3 weeks, Version 1.0 of the new replying workflow will be deployed as an opt-in <a href="/wiki/Beta_Features" title="Beta Features">Beta Feature</a> on <a class="external text" href="https://ar.wikipedia.org/">Arabic</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/">Dutch</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/">French</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/">Hungarian</a> Wikipedias.</li> <li><b>Version 2.0:</b> the enhancement people are most likely to notice in Version 2.0 is a way for drafting replies using a rich text editor. To learn what other enhancements to expect in Version 2.0, please visit: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#Versions" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Talk_pages_project/replying#Versions</a>.</li></ul> <p><b>Infrastructure improvements</b> </p><p>Currently, contributors are limited in the types of components (e.g. tables) they are able to embed in lists (read: indented talk page comments). This prevents them from being able to communicate about and collaborate on things like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Navigational_templates" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Navigational templates">navboxes</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Series_templates" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Series templates">series templates</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Infobox" class="extiw" title="en:Help:Infobox">infoboxes</a> within indented comments on talk pages. </p><p>Introducing new wikitext syntax to demarcate multi-line comments would remove this limitation and also create additional benefits like being able to more reliably edit specific comments. </p><p>The team is preparing an RfC to determine what this new wikitext for multi-line syntax ought to be. We expect for the commenting period to begin in the next two weeks on MediaWiki. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="20_December_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-20_December_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-20_December_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-12-20">20 December 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-20_December_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>Over the past few weeks, the team has been focused on the following: </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying to comments</a>:</b> refining <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Cats">version 1.0 of the prototype</a>, completing a usertesting.com test of the version 1.0 of prototype with Junior Contributors and started on-wiki testing with contributors who have more experience using talk pages. More information: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#User_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying"><b>replying user testing</b></a>.<figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Screenshot-_talk_pages_replying_v1.0.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Screenshot-_talk_pages_replying_v1.0.png/414px-Screenshot-_talk_pages_replying_v1.0.png" decoding="async" width="414" height="118" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Screenshot-_talk_pages_replying_v1.0.png 1.5x" data-file-width="614" data-file-height="175"/></a><figcaption>Screenshot of version 1.0 of the new workflow for replying to talk page comments.</figcaption></figure></li> <li><b>Partner wikis:</b> starting conversations with select wikis about partnering to try early iterations of new features.</li> <li><b>Technical decisions:</b> sharing an overview of the underlying technical decisions the team has made so far. More information: <b><a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vbp5bbixpqsqtv3s&topic_showPostId=vd9w9x74ysn79mkx#flow-post-vd9w9x74ysn79mkx">discussion</a></b>.</li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p><p>In the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#27_November_2019">last update</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/Updates#Replying_to_comments_%7C_mw:Talk_pages_project/replying">we mentioned</a> there would soon be a prototype of the new workflow of replying to specific comments ready for public testing. That prototype and the structured user test is now ready. If you are interested in trying an <i>early</i> version of the new software, the team would value your participation in the user test. </p><p>Test instructions can be found here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing#Version_1.0_prototype_test" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing"><b>Replying version 1.0 prototype test</b></a>. </p><p><b>Active conversations</b> </p><p><i>Here are some of the active conversations happening around the project:</i> </p> <ul><li>Previewing<i>:</i> <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcehezaiyl3znf0d" title="Topic:Vcehezaiyl3znf0d">in this conversation</a>, contributors are talking about how they use edit previews and what they expect from them. <ul><li><i>Add your thoughts: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcehezaiyl3znf0d" title="Topic:Vcehezaiyl3znf0d">Topic:Vcehezaiyl3znf0d</a>.</i></li></ul></li> <li>Replying in long conversations<i>:</i> <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcpciv1kcnows4p5" title="Topic:Vcpciv1kcnows4p5">here</a>, contributors are talking about how the new replying workflow might be improved for conversations where there are many replies. <ul><li><i>Add your thoughts: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcpciv1kcnows4p5" title="Topic:Vcpciv1kcnows4p5">Topic:Vcpciv1kcnows4p5</a>.</i></li></ul></li> <li>Version 1.0 prototype: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vcwvt3bq03o5gv8h" title="Topic:Vcwvt3bq03o5gv8h">here</a>, contributors are sharing their experiences with the prototype for replying to specific comments. <ul><li><i>Try the prototype: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#User_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">version 1.0 prototype</a>.</i></li></ul></li></ul> <p><b>Partner wikis</b> </p><p>In February 2020, the team is planning to deploy version 1.0 of the new replying workflow to a group of partner wikis. This limited rollout is an effort to make sure the tool is behaving in ways contributors expect and find useful before it is deployed more broadly. </p><p>We have invited an initial set of wikis to partner with the team on this work and they are now discussing the opportunity in their communities. We expect to have more details to share about which wikis we will be working with in late January/early February, 2020. </p><p><b>Replying to comments | <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Talk pages project/replying</a></b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233443" class="extiw" title="phab:T233443">T233443</a></i> </p><p>Since the last update, we have completed two usertesting.com tests with Junior Contributors. One test sought to identify the challenges Junior Contributors face when trying to participate in conversations on talk pages using the existing tools (read: full page editing). The second test sought to understand how version 1.0 of the prototype changed Junior Contributors' experience replying to comments. Results for both tests can be found here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying#User_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">User testing</a>. </p><p>The team has also started on-wiki testing for the version 1.0 prototype that we would value your participation in. More details can be found here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing#Version_1.0_prototype_test" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing"><b>Replying version 1.0 prototype test</b></a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="27_November_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-27_November_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-27_November_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-11-27">27 November 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-27_November_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>Over the past few weeks, the team has been working on the following: </p> <ul><li><b>Partner wikis:</b> defined a set of criteria we will use to identify the wikis we work closely with to design and test early versions of new features.</li> <li><b>Replying to comments:</b> prototyped an <i>initial</i> version of the improved workflow for <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">replying to comments</a> on talk pages.</li> <li><b>Understanding the impact of talk page usage:</b> completed the initial stages of a collaboration with the <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Research" title="Wikimedia Research">Research Team</a> to better understand the impacts of talk page usage.</li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p><p>We would value your input on the questions below. If you have answers to any of the questions, please say so on the talk page: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u" title="Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u">27 November 2019 update</a>. </p> <ol><li>Talk page research: <i>What questions do you have about the initial <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Usage_of_talk_pages/2019-11-11" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Research:Usage of talk pages/2019-11-11">talk page usage research</a>? What refinements do you think we should consider making to the next iteration of this research?</i></li> <li>Talk page usage metrics: <i>How might we measure/monitor whether the changes to talk pages made as a part of this <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">project</a> promote <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239231" class="extiw" title="phab:T239231">"unproductive behavior"</a> on talk pages?</i></li></ol> <p><b>Partner wikis</b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along:</i> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233627" class="extiw" title="phab:T233627">T233627</a> </p><p>In an effort to increase the likelihood the tools we build to improve on-wiki communication meet the needs of the range of people these tools are intended to serve, we are striving to partner with a limited number of Wikipedias to design and trial early versions of new features. </p><p>The team is currently putting together a list of candidate wikis we think would make for good "partners" with the following criteria in mind: </p> <ul><li><i>Do contributors to this Wikipedia depend on talk pages to collaborate?</i></li> <li><i>Do contributors to this Wikipedia see improving talk pages as a necessary and important endeavor?</i></li> <li><i>Among the Wikipedias the Editing Team partners with, is there at least one wiki whose contributors use a [Right-to-left language] on their wiki?</i></li> <li><i>Among the Wikipedias the Editing Team partners with, is there at least one whose contributors use a non-[Latin script] on their wiki?</i></li></ul> <p><b>Replying to comments | <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">mw:Talk pages project/replying</a></b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233443" class="extiw" title="phab:T233443">T233443</a></i> </p><p>We now have an <i>initial</i> version of a prototype that supports replying to specific comments running on an internal test wiki. Over the next couple of weeks, we will be making iterative improvements to the prototype before posting it on the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">project page</a> for feedback as well as conducting an initial round of usability tests using usertesting.com. </p><p>There are still open design questions to be answered. You can read more about these and share your input in the soon-to-be created discussion: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Talk pages project/replying">Talk:Talk pages project/replying</a>. </p><p><b>Understanding impacts of talk page usage</b> </p><p>The team has been working with the <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia_Research" title="Wikimedia Research">Research Team</a> to better understand what – if any – impact talk page participation (across namespaces) has on contributor productivity. In this initial research project, we have translated this broader curiosity about talk pages' importance into the following research question: <i>Do interactions on talk-pages increase or decrease contributions to edits on articles?</i> </p><p>Our initial analysis suggest: </p> <ul><li>Edits to talk-pages seem to create additional edits to subject-pages</li> <li>Edits to user-talk pages have a negative effect on the number of future edits to the main namespace (en.wiki) <ul><li>For other wikis, no such negative effect can be found and article-talk pages play a more important role</li></ul></li></ul> <p>To learn more about these initial results, as well as the methodology used to arrive at them, we recommend reading this report: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Usage_of_talk_pages" class="extiw" title="metawiki:Research:Usage of talk pages">Research: Usage of talk pages</a>. </p><p>Also, if you have any comments, questions and/or thoughts about this research, we would value you sharing your thoughts here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u" title="Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u">27 November 2019 update</a>. </p><p>--- </p><p><i>That's it for this update. If you have any questions, comments or thoughts about anything included, please add them on the talk page:</i> <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u" title="Topic:Vbwst488hrc7i35u">27 November 2019 update</a>.<br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="5_November_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-5_November_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-5_November_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-11-5">5 November 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-5_November_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Shoutouts</b> </p><p>We would like to highlight <a href="/wiki/User:HHill" title="User:HHill">@HHill</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Dvorapa" title="User:Dvorapa">@Dvorapa</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jc86035" title="User:Jc86035">@Jc86035</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tortliena&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tortliena (page does not exist)">@Tortliena</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:JAn_Dud%C3%ADk" title="User:JAn Dudík">@JAn Dudik</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Alsee" title="User:Alsee">@Alsee</a> for their input about the templates/gadgets they use most on talk pages. </p><p>Feedback like the kinds they shared helps us to, among other things, better understand: </p> <ul><li>How contributors would like to use talk pages in ways that the software, by default, does not accommodate for</li> <li>How conventions vary wiki-to-wiki which makes identifying and solving for these edge cases more straightforward</li></ul> <p><i>You can read this discussion and add your own thoughts here: <a href="/wiki/Topic:V9936tycku9n6dt7" title="Topic:V9936tycku9n6dt7">Most used talk page gadgets and templates</a></i> </p><p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>Over the past two weeks, the team: </p> <ul><li>Defined the objectives and key results we will use to guide this work and measure its impact</li> <li>Completed specifications and designs for v1.0 of the first enhancement to talk pages</li> <li>Published the project page for the first improvement the team will is working on: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying to specific comments</a></li> <li>Continued making technical improvements that will support <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">replying to specific comments</a> as well as future features</li> <li>Started collaborating with <a href="/wiki/User:Enterprisey" title="User:Enterprisey">user:Enterprisey</a> (author of en.wiki's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Enterprisey/reply-link" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Enterprisey/reply-link">reply-link gadget</a>) who has been, among other things, helping the team identify edge cases we will need to design for</li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p><p>We would still value your input on the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#We_need_your_help">questions posed in the 15-October update</a>. </p><p><b>Project goals</b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233888" class="extiw" title="phab:T233888">T233888</a></i> </p><p>In the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="##15_October_2019">15-October update</a>, we shared the goal of this project is to evolve talk pages in ways that help contributors work together more effectively. </p><p>We now have a set of metrics to quantify this objective. Those metrics are: </p> <ol><li>Increase in the <b>number</b> of <b>Junior</b> <b>Contributors</b> participating on talk pages</li> <li>Increase in the <b>retention</b> of <b>Junior</b> <b>Contributors</b> participating on talk pages</li> <li>Increase in the <b>number</b> of <b>productive</b> <b>contributions</b> to <b>article</b> <b>pages</b> made by Junior Contributors</li></ol> <p>More details about how terms in the above are being defined (e.g. "productive contributions) can be found in this task: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234046" class="extiw" title="phab:T234046">Create OWC metric definitions</a>. These goals and definitions will also soon be posted to the main <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project" title="Talk pages project">project page</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">project glossary</a>. </p><p><b>First improvements</b> </p><p>↳ <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233443" class="extiw" title="phab:T233443">T233443</a></i> </p><p>The first enhancement to talk pages will be an affordance intended to make replying to specific comments on talk pages easier and more intuitive for contributors across experience levels. </p><p>We now have a set of specifications for v1.0 of the feature as well as a rough idea for how it might evolve. For now, links to the specifications for each version can be found in this task: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233443" class="extiw" title="phab:T233443">T233443</a> </p><p>In addition to finalizing the specifications for v1.0, we also now have designs for this first version. For now, the designs can also be seen in Phabricator, in this task: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235592" class="extiw" title="phab:T235592">T235592</a> </p><p><b>Technical progress</b> </p> <ol><li><b>Parsing signatures</b> | <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232780" class="extiw" title="phab:T232780">T232780</a></i> <ul><li>The software can now "read" time and dates. This is a big step that will make it possible for talk pages to do things like: <ul><li>Showing you the time and date comments were posted in your local timezone <i>and</i></li> <li>Showing you new comments posted to the talk page since you visited it last <i>See the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#27_September_2019">27-September-2019</a> update for an introduction to this work.</i></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b>Text input for drafting a reply</b> | <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234403" class="extiw" title="phab:T234403">T234403</a></i> <ul><li>In order to reply to a comment, there needs to be a way for contributors to write out their comments. Over the past couple weeks, the team has started prototyping a text-input to make replying possible.</li> <li>The first version of the text input will support wikitext only. In time, a rich text editing mode will likely be added.</li> <li>There are open questions about how multi-line comments should be saved and what should happen when contributors attempt to insert a table inside a comment. These are questions we will explore on the project page: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Talk pages project/Replying</a></li></ul></li></ol> <p>That's it for this update. If you have <i>any</i> questions, comments or thoughts about anything included, please add them on the talk page: <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vak5dt8eq0c0vjvv" title="Topic:Vak5dt8eq0c0vjvv"><b>Discuss 5-Nov Update.</b></a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="15_October_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-15_October_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15_October_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-10-15">15 October 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-15_October_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>Over the past two weeks, the team has been working to: </p> <ul><li>Define the <a href="#Project_Goals">goals</a> the team will strive to achieve with this project</li> <li>Identify the <a href="#First_improvements">first improvements</a> to talk pages the team will work on</li> <li>Work on <a href="#Technical_research">technical proof of concepts</a> for: <ul><li><b>Programmatically identifying signatures</b> on talk pages</li> <li>Supporting <b>autocomplete</b> which could be applied to things like seamlessly pinging/@-mentioning a specific user while writing a comment</li></ul></li></ul> <p><b>We need your help</b> </p><p>A few questions came up in the course of our work that we would value your input on. If you have answers to any of the questions below, please say so on the talk page: <a href="/wiki/Topic:V9936tycku9n6dt7" title="Topic:V9936tycku9n6dt7">Discuss 15 October 2019 update.</a> </p><p><b>1. What templates and/or gadgets do you use most on talk pages?</b> </p><p>Context: the team wonders whether these gadgets will give deeper insight into how contributors use and/or would like to use talk pages. </p><p><b>2. What non-Wikimedia projects/services do you think handle commenting/discussions well? Reddit? Discourse? Something else? What about these product(s) do you value?</b> </p><p>Context: as the team begins to design the first set of improvements, they are curious to know what functionality you have found to be helpful in contexts similar to talk pages. </p><p><b>3. What do you type on a talk page when you want to notify someone in your post?</b> </p><p>Context: the team is looking for conventions that might be specific to certain wikis. More information in this ticket: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234472" class="extiw" title="phab:T234472">T234472</a> </p><p><b>Project goals</b> </p><p><i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T233888" class="extiw" title="phab:T233888">T233888</a></i> </p><p>This project is about enhancing on-wiki communication tools in an effort to improve how contributors work together. </p><p>As <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2_report" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 2 report">Phase 2 of the Talk Page Consultation</a> puts it, </p> <blockquote class="templatequote"><div class="Bug6200"><i>It is one thing to make certain workflows "easier" (i.e., replying to comments, indenting, and signing your name), but it is another to make sure those changes amount to contributors working together more effectively.</i> | <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2_report#Forum_or_workspace" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 2 report">Source</a></div></blockquote> <p>It is with this in mind, that the team is working to define goals that honor that intention and a corresponding set of quantitative metrics they will use to track their progress towards achieving them. </p><p><b>First improvements</b> </p><p><i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235285" class="extiw" title="phab:T235285">T235285</a></i> </p><p>For Talk pages to be valuable, contributors need to intuitively know how to participate in conversations. </p><p>Trouble is (as the Talk Page consultation and the team's research over the past couple of weeks uncovered) contributors, across experience levels, find replying to specific comments on Talk pages to be challenging. </p><p>Specifically, the team's research has found: </p> <ul><li>More experienced contributors find it difficult to locate the specific comment they are wanting to reply to when participating in long, multi-person conversations, within big blocks of wikitext.</li> <li>Newer contributors report not being sure how to reply to a conversation, regardless of its length or complexity.</li></ul> <p>The team is now drafting specifications and beginning to develop designs for the first iteration of an enhancement that would make replying to specific comments on talk pages easier and more intuitive. </p><p><b>Technical research</b> </p><p>The team is continuing the work on parts of the underlying architecture future features will rely on. </p> <ol><li><b>Parsing signatures</b> | <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232780" class="extiw" title="phab:T232780">T232780</a></i> <ul><li>The team has an early technical prototype working that identifies signatures on talk pages.</li> <li>This is an important part of being able to build features like <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Replying" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">replying to specific comments</a>. See the last update for more context: <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#27_September_2019">27-September Update</a>.</li> <li>The next phase of this work will involve enhancing the tool so it can "read" the dates and times included in signatures. Doing this, will enable functionality like showing contributors when posts/comments were made on talk pages, in their local timezone and preferred date format</li></ul></li> <li><b>Text input for drafting a reply</b> | <i>Follow along: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T234403" class="extiw" title="phab:T234403">T234403</a></i> <ul><li>One of the first improvements the team plans to work on is a way for contributors to reply to specific comments on talk pages.</li> <li>There are several components that will need to be designed and built to make this possible.</li> <li>One of those components is a place (read: a "text input") to write a reply. Right now, the team is researching "text inputs" that have been built in the past to help inform their approach for doing something similar on talk pages in the near future.</li></ul></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="27_September_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-27_September_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-27_September_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-9-27">27 September 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-27_September_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>The team has been, and is continuing to work on: </p> <ul><li><i>Design and product research:</i> forming a better understanding of the most common talk page use cases and the opportunities for improvement within them.</li> <li><i>Technical research:</i> investigating existing gadgets and developing early proof of concepts for parts of the underlying technical architecture future features will depend on.</li></ul> <p><b>Getting involved</b> </p><p>Do you have a question? Is there something you think the team could benefit from knowing? If so, please say something on the talk page: <i><a href="/wiki/Topic:V858g7t4eqkzsqvh" title="Topic:V858g7t4eqkzsqvh">Discuss 27 September 2019 update</a></i> </p><p><b>Design and product research</b> </p><p>The team is working to form a more complete understanding of where and how contributors communicate on-wiki. </p><p>Right now, they are cataloging the most common use cases of article and user talk pages and the pain points and moments of delight contributors experience using them. </p><p>This work will help us to develop a roadmap. That is, an overview of the specific set of improvements we will propose working on and the order in which we are thinking about working on them. </p><p>You can see this work in more detail by visiting the following links: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimedia.invisionapp.com/freehand/document/P8aQKJ7yI">Journey maps</a>: this is where the team is creating visual representations of specific use cases, the steps that make up these use cases and the opportunities for potential improvements we see within them.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LIPMnnYjxwzxMXLkyYKyVfHjRgQoDa9TXH5lhCFeKiY/edit#heading=h.7wjcb72l7ing">Research</a>: this is where the team is cataloguing the use cases, design patterns and social conventions that help to make up "on-wiki communication."</li></ul> <p><b>Technical research</b> </p><p>The team is working on two parts of underlying architecture future features will depend on: </p> <ol><li>Parsing signatures | <i>Follow along:</i> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232780" class="extiw" title="phab:T232780">T232780</a> <ul><li>One of the biggest technical challenges of making improvements to talk pages is their unstructured nature.</li> <li>Without a clear structure, it is difficult to build software that can do things like enabling you to <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Replying" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">reply to specific comments</a>, receive notifications when someone replies to a comment you've made, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Notifications" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">receive notifications about a conversation</a> you are interested in following, etc.</li> <li>Right now, the team is developing a proof of concept to identify signatures on talk pages. Signatures contain important pieces of metadata like where a comment ends, who is speaking and the order in which people are speaking...information that is needed to build features like those mentioned in the bullet point above.</li></ul></li> <li>Enabling in-line autocomplete | <i>Follow along:</i> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232601" class="extiw" title="phab:T232601">T232601</a> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocomplete" class="extiw" title="en:Autocomplete">Autocomplete</a> can speed up how quickly you can express something by predicting what you are trying to type before you have finished typing it.</li> <li>Right now, the team is developing the infrastructure to enable this kind of functionality on talk pages.</li> <li>Functionality that could make it possible to seamlessly ping/@-mention a specific user while typing a comment on a talk page.</li></ul></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="9_September_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-9_September_2019-Updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-9_September_2019-Updates"></span><time datetime="2019-9-9">9 September 2019</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-9_September_2019-Updates"></span></h3></div> <p><b>Summary</b> </p><p>Members of the <a href="/wiki/Editing_team" title="Editing team">Editing Team</a> were in Stockholm, Sweden to attend this year’s Wikimania. We arrived with a few questions in mind: </p> <ul><li><i>What are contributors' current experiences with Talk Pages? What could be improved?</i></li> <li><i>How have the Foundation's past efforts to improve on-wiki communication impacted contributors?</i></li> <li><i>What new questions will the team need to consider answering?</i></li></ul> <p>To help answer these questions, we engaged with Wikimania in the following ways: </p> <ul><li>We led a session in the Community Growth Space to share the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk Page Consultation's</a> findings and outcomes</li> <li>We had casual conversations with contributors from around the movement</li> <li>We met with the Foundation’s <a href="/wiki/Parsing" title="Parsing">Parsing team</a> to explore how <a href="/wiki/Wikitext" title="Wikitext">wikitext</a> syntax might be evolved to enable some of the improvements that surfaced in the Talk Page Consultation</li> <li>We attended sessions relevant to Talk Pages throughout the three conference days</li></ul> <p>Below are our findings and notes from this year's conference... </p><p><b>After flow: a new direction for improving talk pages</b> </p><p><a href="https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Community_Growth/After_Flow:_A_new_direction_for_improving_talk_pages" class="extiw" title="wmania:2019:Community Growth/After Flow: A new direction for improving talk pages">Description</a> | <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_After_Flow_Presentation.pdf" class="extiw" title="c:File:Wikimania 2019 After Flow Presentation.pdf">Slides</a> | <a href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/AfterFlow" class="extiw" title="etherpad:p/AfterFlow">Q&A notes</a> | <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZ00TlEG7M">Session recording</a> (YouTube video) </p><p><i>Session overview:</i> </p><p>The team led a session in the Community Growth Space to bring attendees up to date on what we've learned from the Talk Page Consultation and to discuss some of the decisions and tradeoffs we will <i>collectively</i> need to make to improve how contributors collaborate using talk pages. </p><p>Around 35 people attended the session who, generally, agreed talk pages need to be improved and were glad the WMF is prioritizing this work. With this said, some people expressed skepticism about whether the Foundation would follow through on completing the improvements we are proposing. More specifically, attendees were clear about how – in the past – the Foundation has promised changes to improve on-wiki communication and collaboration that have not been fully delivered (e.g., Flow). </p><p>The Q&A that followed the presentation was lively. People asked about the future of Flow and asked for more details about the improvements to existing talk pages. Notes from the Q&A portion of the session will be posted to the project FAQ. In the meantime, they are available in this Etherpad: <a href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/AfterFlow" class="extiw" title="etherpad:p/AfterFlow">AfterFlow session notes</a> </p><p><i>Session takeaways:</i> </p> <ol><li><b>Communicate and follow through.</b> We need to acknowledge we do not have people's full trust. We need to appreciate how the Foundation promised big changes with Flow and has not been able to deliver on all of them. In response, we need to make improvements more iteratively and communicate any changes about these plans early, often and thoroughly.</li> <li><b>Create spaces for conversations.</b> During the Q&A, there were many questions we – the team – do not yet have answers to. Questions like: <i>What improvements will be implemented? How will they be implemented? When will they be implemented?</i> These are valid questions that need to be answered. They are also valid questions we do not yet have definitive answers to. In being open about not having all the answers, we noticed people in the audience started trying to help. This is exactly how we think this work needs to feel and flow...for us all to be asking and answering questions together, as partners. This interaction was a good reminder. It reminded us that we need to be intentional about creating environments where diverse groups of people feel invited to speak up. And we think this will partly depend on us continuing to be open about what we do and do not know.</li> <li><b>More communication doesn't mean more collaboration.</b> Attendees highlighted the relationship between communication and collaboration and how more of the former doesn't mean there will be more of the latter. To quote one attendee who put this well by saying there is a, "...tension between improving communication and collaboration on Talk pages vs impact on growth and contributions." The full context of this exchange is posted <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#All_Talk?_The_effects_of_easier_communication_interfaces_(than_user_talk_pages)_on_collaborative_production">here</a>.</li></ol> <p><b>Causal conversations</b> </p><p>Following the team’s session in the Community Growth Space, an impromptu and productive feedback session happened with experienced contributors from Hungarian, German, Swedish and English Wikipedias. </p><p><i>Highlights:</i> </p> <ul><li>Often times contributors are wanting to find the specific conversation where a decision was made about the content of an article, but that conversation is difficult to find. Being able to more easily search archived conversations could help this. This was something that came up in the Talk Page Consultation as well: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">#Searching</a>.</li> <li>Contributors who focus on helping newcomers learn Wikipedia observe newcomers write “everywhere” looking for help. One person suggested communication on the wikis be centralized to make a system that can be more easily understood by newcomers.</li> <li>In relation to some of the criticism about unfulfilled promises, contributors generally agreed that an approach of incrementally developing features seems like a good idea.</li></ul> <p><b>Editing Team + Parsing Team</b> </p><p><i>Background</i> </p><p>Considering the direction that came out of the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk Page Consultation</a> is to build new features atop wikitext talk pages, it is important we start conversations with the <a href="/wiki/Parsing" title="Parsing">Parsing Team</a> early to understand what technical considerations will need to guide how the team designs and builds these new features. </p><p><i>Meeting details</i> </p><p>At Wikimania, the team met the Parsing team to discuss what changes to wikitext ought to be considered in order to deliver on some of the changes that came up in the Talk Page Consultation. Changes like <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Watchlist" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">watching</a> and being notified about replies to specific discussions, <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Replying" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">replying</a> to specific comments and automatically appending <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report#Signatures" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">signatures</a> to content contributors post on talk pages. </p><p>To build features like this, the software will need to be able to effectively know where comments begin and end. One idea for doing this is introducing new wikitext syntax to make content on talk pages more "machine readable". </p><p><i>Takeaways</i> </p> <ul><li>A number of syntax changes were proposed and are some are documented on Phabricator: <ul><li>Parent task: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230654" class="extiw" title="phab:T230654">T230654</a> <ul><li>A parser function for signatures to make them machine readable: <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230653" class="extiw" title="phab:T230653">T230653</a></li> <li>Encapsulating multi-line comments: <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230683">T230683</a></li> <li>Automatic IDs for list items (comments): <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230659" class="extiw" title="phab:T230659">T230659</a></li> <li>List item attributes (e.g. for thread IDs): <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230658" class="extiw" title="phab:T230658">T230658</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>The conversation surfaced some new questions we will need to answer: <ul><li>To what extent do new tools need to be compatible with existing conversations? <ul><li>More details: by "existing conversations" we mean: active conversations on talk pages and conversations that have been archived</li> <li>Context: if we introduce new features that depend on new wikitext, these tools might not work with existing content that does not contain this new wikitext markup.</li> <li>It is generally felt that the tools should work reasonably well with "existing conversations" but that it would not be essential to apply any syntax changes to existing conversations.</li></ul></li> <li>How does the software determine whether a page contains discussions or not? <ul><li>Ideas: we could use a magic word to explicitly communicate "talk" on a page</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><b>All Talk? The effects of easier communication interfaces (than user talk pages) on collaborative production</b> </p><p><a href="https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Research/All_Talk%3F_The_effects_of_easier_communication_interfaces_(than_user_talk_pages)_on_collaborative_production" class="extiw" title="wmania:2019:Research/All Talk? The effects of easier communication interfaces (than user talk pages) on collaborative production">Description</a> </p><p><i>Session overview</i> </p><p>In this session, researchers shared their findings about how Fandom's/Wikia's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Message_Wall">Message Wall</a> feature impacted new editor behavior. The researchers were specifically interested in understanding whether the feature's release led to an increase in the number of article contributions from new editors. </p><p><i>Takeaways</i> </p> <ul><li><b>Presenter's conclusion</b>: while the release of Message Wall* increased communication among all editors and newcomers, the feature decreased article contributions from new editors.</li> <li><b>The Editing Team's takeaway</b>: this study's findings helps validate <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 2">feedback</a> that was shared in the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk Page Consultation</a> and something the team has been mindful of ever since: making it easier for contributors to communicate does not <i>necessarily</i> mean people will make more contributions to articles. <ul><li>It was interesting to see how this conversation about the relationship between communication and collaboration resurfaced among attendees of the team's <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/Updates#After_Flow:_A_new_direction_for_improving_talk_pages">After Flow... session</a>. Here is a snippet of an interaction that surfaced on the session's Etherpad: <a href="https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/AfterFlow" class="extiw" title="etherpad:p/AfterFlow">After Flow Etherpad</a>: <ul><li><b>Person A:</b> <i>"It would be good to consider the tension between improving communication and collaboration on Talk pages vs impact on growth and contributions. There was a research session this morning where increased communication bt users on Message Walls in Fandom/Wikia saw *decreased* article contributions?"</i></li> <li><b>Person B:</b> <i>"I think something like this really depends on what your ultimate aim with improving communication actually is ... I didn't see this presentation but there are more things to be done and communicated about on the projects than raw article growth. -foks"</i></li> <li><b>Person A:</b> <i>"Agree. I think that's is part of the question the team posed "How do we measure collaboration?" - is it about making it easier for newcomers and experienced editors to communicate and make connections 'healthily' instead of getting into edit/revert wars (in which case less article contributions may be a positive sign of reduced conflict)"</i></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><i>*It should be noted that Fandom's/Wiki's "Message Wall" feature is the equivalent of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_pages" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:User pages">user talk pages</a> on Wikipedia.</i> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/Updates&oldid=6795504">https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/Updates&oldid=6795504</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects" title="Category:WMF Projects">WMF Projects</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Talk_pages_project" title="Category:Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2019q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2019q3">WMF Projects 2019q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2019q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2019q4">WMF Projects 2019q4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2020q1" title="Category:WMF Projects 2020q1">WMF Projects 2020q1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2020q2" title="Category:WMF Projects 2020q2">WMF Projects 2020q2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2020q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2020q3">WMF Projects 2020q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2020q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2020q4">WMF Projects 2020q4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2021q1" title="Category:WMF Projects 2021q1">WMF Projects 2021q1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2021q2" title="Category:WMF Projects 2021q2">WMF Projects 2021q2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2021q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2021q3">WMF Projects 2021q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2021q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2021q4">WMF Projects 2021q4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2022q1" title="Category:WMF Projects 2022q1">WMF Projects 2022q1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2022q2" title="Category:WMF Projects 2022q2">WMF Projects 2022q2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2022q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2022q3">WMF Projects 2022q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2022q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2022q4">WMF Projects 2022q4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2023q1" title="Category:WMF Projects 2023q1">WMF Projects 2023q1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2023q2" title="Category:WMF Projects 2023q2">WMF Projects 2023q2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2023q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2023q3">WMF Projects 2023q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2023q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2023q4">WMF Projects 2023q4</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2024q1" title="Category:WMF Projects 2024q1">WMF Projects 2024q1</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2024q2" title="Category:WMF Projects 2024q2">WMF Projects 2024q2</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2024q3" title="Category:WMF Projects 2024q3">WMF Projects 2024q3</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects_2024q4" title="Category:WMF Projects 2024q4">WMF Projects 2024q4</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 13 October 2024, at 05:24.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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