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class="emj">退職代行モームリ公式アカウントです🙅‍♀️顧問弁護士監修×労働組合提携×株式会社の管理 ⭐退職相談50,000件・退職確定件数30,000件突破⭐【相談無料】日本全国24時間対応・退職成功率100％継続中ご依頼・無料相談はこちら👉 <a href="https://t.co/wCDuoMcoOZ" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">lin.ee/8rREAQE</a></p> <p><a href="https://t.co/E4eZpPL90u" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">momuri.com</a></p> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='1' data-id='1895972318045778051'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/momuri0201' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">退職代行モームリ</strong> <span class="status_name">@momuri0201</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>退職連絡の際、企業の方から非常によく言われることがあります。それは「うちの就業規則では…」と言う前置きです。「うちの就業規則では、必ず2か月前に退職を伝えるとあるんです。ですからこんな急な退職はちょっと…」何度でも言います。優先されるのは、就業規則よりも”法律です”。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/momuri0201/status/1895972318045778051" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 08:00:00</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <div class="thumb"> <a href="https://momuri.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img class="lazy " data-s="https://pimg.togetter.com/7db648521e8e303f9a7827cdb1ed4e882fe21054/68747470733a2f2f6d6f6d7572692e636f6d2f77702d636f6e74656e742f7468656d65732f6d6f6d7572692f696d672f6f67702e706e67?w=250&t=c" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/img/noimage200.png" /> </a> </div> <span class="content"> <span class="label">リンク</span> <span class="site_name"> 退職代行モームリ </span> </span> <span class="title"> <a href="https://momuri.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> 退職代行モームリ｜もうムリだ！っと会社で感じたら </a> </span> <span class="desc"> 退職代行モームリでは『顧問弁護士監修×労働組合提携×株式会社の管理』が強みであり、料金は12,000円からあと払いも可能なので、今から会社に出勤も連絡もせずに、最短で退職が可能！オンラインや対面でも対応は可能なので、まずは無料相談下さい！ </span> <span class="site_data"> <span class="http-bookmark bindclick" 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data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">拓(Taku)</strong> <span class="status_name">@Taku_AIer</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>FF外から失礼します。同僚の前の会社で1ヶ月前に辞めると伝えたら呼びつけられて就業規則だと2ヶ月前なんだよ、仕事をなんだと思ってやがる！　と怒鳴られたと聞きましたね。業務に合わせて就業規則を設けるのは結構なんですが、法律まで考慮せず押し付けるのは筋が違いますね。後2ヶ月前って長すぎ。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Taku_AIer/status/1896037104804888576" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 12:17:27</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='5' data-id='1896105969240961396'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/TkVWdyyN9QhtGE1' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="6" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">YUTAKAウィンチェスター　file2</strong> <span class="status_name">@TkVWdyyN9QhtGE1</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/momuri0201" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@momuri0201</a> 辞める時に「急に親の介護をしないといけなくなったので一旦退職させてください。また落ち着いたら戻って来ますので」と言えば上司も笑顔で見送ってくれるし心配してくれる本音で話すからトラブルになるし、良い退職方法がないからこういう退職代行が儲かる退職はいかに円満にするかがポイント</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/TkVWdyyN9QhtGE1/status/1896105969240961396" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 16:51:05</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='1896163316793540737'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kosukekosureusu' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">kousuke boy</strong> <span class="status_name">@kosukekosureusu</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/momuri0201" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@momuri0201</a> 労働契約法12条にそのことが明記されているのに… 就業規則が労働法・民法に勝てると思うなよ？ 2か月前ではないし、1ヶ月前でもない。当日でもない。民法627条によれば、2週間前。労務管理をする立場ならなおさら、労働法を知っておかないとヤバい</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kosukekosureusu/status/1896163316793540737" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 20:38:58</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='1895976235010048076'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/takeyan621987' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">タケヤン</strong> <span class="status_name">@takeyan621987</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/momuri0201" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@momuri0201</a> 以前に勤務していた会社でもある社員が「法律では2週間で退職できるので2週間後に退職します」と言われ上層部が「就業規則は1ヶ月だから守ってもらわないと・・・それに引継ぎもあるし」とグダグダ言ってたね。就業規則は会社の決まりであって、拘束力はなし。法律が優先！</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/takeyan621987/status/1895976235010048076" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 08:15:34</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='1896347537021587552'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/renne_hami' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">れんはみ</strong> <span class="status_name">@renne_hami</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/momuri0201" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@momuri0201</a> 退職は許可制ではなく申告があれば会社はそれに従う「義務」か発生する次の3つは許可を求める事になるから使っちゃ駄目 ·辞めたいのですが ·辞めさせてください ·退職願い使うなら ·退職届け ·辞めます辞める意思を自分のメアドからのメールや、ラインなど証拠が残る方法でやると良し</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/renne_hami/status/1896347537021587552" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-03 08:50:59</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <div class="thumb"> <a href="https://www.jtuc-rengo.or.jp/soudan/qa/data/QA_22.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> <img class="lazy " data-s="https://pimg.togetter.com/c91285b9e5ab9d2e88d4cbe9005604f40a1df349/68747470733a2f2f7777772e6a7475632d72656e676f2e6f722e6a702f696d616765732f73697465696d6167652e706e67?w=250&t=c" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/img/noimage200.png" /> </a> </div> <span class="content"> <span class="label">リンク</span> <span class="site_name"> 連合（日本労働組合総連合会） </span> </span> <span class="title"> <a href="https://www.jtuc-rengo.or.jp/soudan/qa/data/QA_22.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> 連合｜よくある労働相談Q&Aコーナー </a> </span> <span class="desc"> よくある労働相談Q&Aコーナー </span> <span class="site_data"> </span> </div> <div data-index="10"> <div class="type_markdown"> <h3 class="md-h-2" data-h-index="0">投稿内容に対し、ある弁護士が「非弁行為（弁護士法72条違反）では？」と指摘</h3> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_url type_profile impl_profile_big'> <span> <a class="user_link" href='https://x.com/miyatahikaru304' target='_blank' rel="noreferrer"> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">みやた弁護士@YouTube</strong> <span class="status_name">@miyatahikaru304</span> </a> <a class="twitter_logo" rel="noreferrer" href="https://x.com/miyatahikaru304" target="_blank"><svg class="svg-icon fa-twitter"><use xlink:href="#twitter" /></svg></a> </span> <p class="emj">「役に立つ法律知識」を発信📢とりあえずフォローしておけば知らない間に知識増えてます👨YouTubeではもっと本音の解説やトークを🍺弁護士としては少年事件や若年者の刑事事件に従事｜東京弁護士会｜みやた少年刑事法律事務所｜刑事事件の相談や講演のご依頼はDMまで！</p> <p><a href="https://t.co/3gSVoS8t99" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">youtube.com/@miyatahikaru24</a></p> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='1895987997663015289'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/miyatahikaru304' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">みやた弁護士@YouTube</strong> <span class="status_name">@miyatahikaru304</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>こういうことを言われて会社との間で交渉してるのだとしたら弁護士法違反では？ <a href="https://t.co/HT04J3kFnP" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/momuri0201/sta…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/miyatahikaru304/status/1895987997663015289" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 09:02:19</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='13' data-id='1895992659422138590'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/miyatahikaru304' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">みやた弁護士@YouTube</strong> <span class="status_name">@miyatahikaru304</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>こういうポスト内容に加えて退職成功率100%を謳っていることから、単に退職の意思を代わりに伝えるにとどまらず実質的に退職交渉まで行っているのではないかと懸念されます。万が一そうなら弁護士以外の人がすると弁護士法72条違反になる可能性が高いです。監修してるという弁護士は何も言わないの？</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/miyatahikaru304/status/1895992659422138590" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-03-02 09:20:50</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_youtube'> <div> <iframe width="500" height="319" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/0BvKJw6lQxE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BvKJw6lQxE" target='_blank'>退職代行、違法のおそれあります。</a> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <span class="content"> <span class="label">リンク</span> <span class="site_name"> laws.e-gov.go.jp </span> </span> <span class="title"> <a href="https://laws.e-gov.go.jp/law/324AC1000000205" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> e-Gov 法令検索 </a> </span> <span class="desc"> 電子政府の総合窓口（e-Gov）。法令（憲法・法律・政令・勅令・府省令・規則）の内容を検索して提供します。 </span> <span class="site_data"> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_url clearfix'> <span class="content"> <span class="label">リンク</span> <span class="site_name"> www.toben.or.jp </span> </span> <span class="title"> <a href="https://www.toben.or.jp/know/iinkai/hiben/dishonesty/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> 非弁行為とは - 東京弁護士会 </a> </span> <span class="desc"> 東京弁護士会非弁護士取締委員会のページです </span> <span class="site_data"> <span class="http-bookmark bindclick" data-href="https://www.toben.or.jp/know/iinkai/hiben/dishonesty/">1 user</span> </span> </div> <div data-index="17"> <div class="type_markdown"> <h3 class="md-h-2" data-h-index="0">モームリ運営会社代表から自ら説明が行う</h3> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_url type_profile impl_profile_big'> <span> <a class="user_link" href='https://x.com/tanimon0201' target='_blank' rel="noreferrer"> <img class="lzpk " data-s="12" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">谷本慎二｜モームリを名付けた男</strong> <span class="status_name">@tanimon0201</span> </a> <a class="twitter_logo" rel="noreferrer" href="https://x.com/tanimon0201" target="_blank"><svg class="svg-icon fa-twitter"><use xlink:href="#twitter" /></svg></a> </span> <p 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