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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20221129004500-ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 29 November 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20221129004500-ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20221129004500-ArbCom_2022_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Late_Bohairic_pronunciation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation-20221217183300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation-20221217183300"></span>Late Bohairic pronunciation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation-20221217183300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Esperfulmo&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Late Bohairic pronunciation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a>, </p><p>Thank you for your effort in adding IPA to Coptic toponyms. I got question – why are you using "Late Bohairic" pronunciation and not Classical Bohairic? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E2%B2%AA%E2%B2%81%CF%AF%E2%B2%9F%E2%B2%A9%E2%B2%89%E2%B2%A3%CF%A3%E2%B2%93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (page does not exist)">Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E2%B2%AA%E2%B2%81%CF%AF%E2%B2%9F%E2%B2%A9%E2%B2%89%E2%B2%A3%CF%A3%E2%B2%93" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300-Late_Bohairic_pronunciation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300"></span>Hello, well since Late Bohairic is the only pronunciation documented without any speculation or reconstruction, and since it survives to a limited extent to this day. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 18 December 2022 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221217183300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200"></span>What do you mean by "documented"? To my knowledge it was reconstructed primarily by Emil Maher Ishaq. And what do you mean by it "surviving" to this day? Coptic is a dead language as far as i know (apart from it being a liturgical language of the Coptic Church). --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%E2%B2%AA%E2%B2%81%CF%AF%E2%B2%9F%E2%B2%A9%E2%B2%89%E2%B2%A3%CF%A3%E2%B2%93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (page does not exist)">Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E2%B2%AA%E2%B2%81%CF%AF%E2%B2%9F%E2%B2%A9%E2%B2%89%E2%B2%A3%CF%A3%E2%B2%93" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000-Mahmudmasri-20221218124200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-20221219002100-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000"></span>So as George P. G. Sobhy's work. They actually documented what was still pronounced by those who haven't adopted the Greo-Coptic reformed pronunciation in monasteries. Also, since it is the last form of Coptic, why provide a pronunciation of an older form of it? <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Mahmudmasri-20221219002100-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-20221219002100-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-20221219002100-Ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ-20221218205000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Israel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Israel-20230115053700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Israel-20230115053700"></span>Israel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Israel-20230115053700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Esperfulmo&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Israel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeex.rice-20230115053700-Israel"></span>Hey, I accidentally wiped your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israel&oldid=1133705117">latest contributions</a> to Israel when I edited mine. You can paste them back in or I can do it at a later point, just giving you a heads-up about it. </p><p>➤ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zeex.rice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zeex.rice (page does not exist)">Zᴇᴇx.ʀɪᴄᴇ</a> ✪ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeex.rice" title="User talk:Zeex.rice">ᴛᴀʟᴋ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Zeex.rice-20230115053700-Israel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeex.rice-20230115053700-Israel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeex.rice-20230115053700-Israel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800-Zeex.rice-20230115053700"></span>Well, go ahead and paste it. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800-Zeex.rice-20230115053700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800-Zeex.rice-20230115053700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800-Zeex.rice-20230115053700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zeex.rice-20230115061300-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800"></span>Done. ➤ <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zeex.rice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zeex.rice (page does not exist)">Zᴇᴇx.ʀɪᴄᴇ</a> ✪ (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zeex.rice" title="User talk:Zeex.rice">ᴛᴀʟᴋ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Zeex.rice-20230115061300-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zeex.rice-20230115061300-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zeex.rice-20230115061300-Mahmudmasri-20230115054800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Representation_of_Arabic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Representation_of_Arabic-20230115194900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Representation_of_Arabic-20230115194900"></span>Representation of Arabic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Representation_of_Arabic-20230115194900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Esperfulmo&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Representation of Arabic"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pathawi-20230115194900-Representation_of_Arabic"></span>Hey, it looks like we pay attention to some of the same articles. I thought I should send a message. I reverted the changes you made to <a href="/wiki/Halaib" title="Halaib">Halaib</a> & <a href="/wiki/Port_Sudan" title="Port Sudan">Port Sudan</a>. For Halaib, the reasons are explained in greater detail on the Talk page: Basically, MOS recommends against using alternative spellings in the lead sentence, so I had moved these to a special section. For Port Sudan, you gave an IPA pronunciation citing the MOS on Arabic. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOSAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOSAR">WP:MOSAR</a> actually recommends a specific Romanisation—not IPA. Additionally, I used to live in Port Sudan, & I've never heard anyone pronounce the name with a voiceless initial /p/. People pronounce بور exactly as it's written. If you want to discuss these issues further, we should probably talk about them at the Talk pages of the respective articles, but I wanted to drop you a note. Hope you're well. Take care. <a href="/wiki/User:Pathawi" title="User:Pathawi">Pathawi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pathawi" title="User talk:Pathawi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Pathawi-20230115194900-Representation_of_Arabic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pathawi-20230115194900-Representation_of_Arabic"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pathawi-20230115194900-Representation_of_Arabic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500-Pathawi-20230115194900"></span>Port Sudan is just like Port Said in the way they were named and alternatively pronounce with <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[<a href="/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_plosive" title="Voiceless bilabial plosive">p</a>]</span>. The majority don't utter <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[<a href="/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_plosive" title="Voiceless bilabial plosive">p</a>]</span> at all, but still a few would still pronounce it. Since you were there, did someone actually say <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[buːr]</span> rather than <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[boːr]</span>? In romanized Arabic, both are distinguished which makes <i>būr</i> a wrong, misleading transcription. This particular mistake is habitually repeated on Wiktionary, too. People see و and always use <i>ū</i>.</dd> <dd>On the other hand, IPA is important when names are confusing or too difficult to infer from transcriptions, such as in the case of, I don't know who preferred that spelling, <i>Hala'ib</i> which suggests a glottal stop, commonly spelled with an apostrophe, as in <a href="/wiki/Qur%27an" class="mw-redirect" title="Qur'an">Qur'an</a>. There is no rule to prohibit IPA notations, if you didn't like them, you don't need to wipe them out. Thanks. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500-Pathawi-20230115194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 16 January 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500-Pathawi-20230115194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500-Pathawi-20230115194900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pathawi-20230116161300-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"></span>I don't think people actually say <i>either</i> [boːr] or [buːr] in colloquial speech: They say [bur]. In Fuṣḥā (eg on al-Jazeera) you'll hear [buːr] & [boːrt]. No one <i>ever</i> says [p] in Port Sudan: For most people in the city, /p/ is not in their available phonemic inventory. You can absolutely <i>add</i> IPA if you want—I have no objection: The core MOS issue is that it shouldn't <i>replace</i> Romanisation. <a href="/wiki/User:Pathawi" title="User:Pathawi">Pathawi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pathawi" title="User talk:Pathawi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Pathawi-20230116161300-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pathawi-20230116161300-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pathawi-20230116161300-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pathawi-20230116161500-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"></span>& yes: <i>Hala'ib</i> is absolutely wrong. Unfortunately, it does appear in English writing. Probably someone with a small amount of Arabic knowledge who assumes that whenever they hear [aːji] in Egypt it's Fuṣḥā /a:ʔi/. <a href="/wiki/User:Pathawi" title="User:Pathawi">Pathawi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pathawi" title="User talk:Pathawi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Pathawi-20230116161500-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pathawi-20230116161500-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pathawi-20230116161500-Mahmudmasri-20230116082500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116192300-Pathawi-20230116161500"></span>The argument about whether to transcribe toponyms in Arabic speaking countries with a Literary Arabic pronunciation or not is problematic for two main reasons:</li></ul> <ol><li>People normally pronounce names, including personal names in their respective native dialects, including when saying a prepared speech in Literary Arabic. The same is also mostly true for saying numerals.</li> <li>Often, too many names are not Arabic and an Arabized form is fabricated to fit Literary Arabic phonotactics, i.e. to sound and look Arabic.</li></ol> <ul><li>For <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">/<a href="/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_plosive" title="Voiceless bilabial plosive">p</a>/</span>, one could say the same on every Arabic dialect, including Egyptian Arabic, however it is commonly found in loanwords and educated people can pronounce it with varying degrees. So, for example, the word "port" in Port Said, Port Fouad, Port Sudan, is pronounced either <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[poːɾ]</span> or <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[boːɾ]</span> by Egyptians. The word "port" here is actually a French loanword which means the same in English, just pronounce with an ending <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">/<a href="/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_plosive" class="mw-redirect" title="Voiceless alveolar plosive">t</a>/</span>. Thanks. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Mahmudmasri-20230116192300-Pathawi-20230116161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116192300-Pathawi-20230116161500"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-20230116192300-Pathawi-20230116161500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities" data-mw-thread-id="h-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities-20230413223600"><span id="Greater_Cairo_Cities.2FSatellite_Cities"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities-20230413223600"></span>Greater Cairo Cities/Satellite Cities<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities-20230413223600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Esperfulmo&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Greater Cairo Cities/Satellite Cities"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ypedia1-20230413223600-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities"></span>Hi, I saw your recent edits on <a href="/wiki/Greater_Cairo" title="Greater Cairo">Greater Cairo</a>Greater Cairo cities and satellite cities and believe they are incorrect. </p><p>Helwan used to be a city, but was recently demoted to a district in Cairo city (see <a href="/wiki/Helwan" title="Helwan">Helwan</a>) </p><p><a href="/wiki/New_Heliopolis" title="New Heliopolis">New Heliopolis</a>, <a href="/wiki/Madinaty" title="Madinaty">Madinaty</a> and <a href="/wiki/El_Rehab" class="mw-redirect" title="El Rehab">Rehab</a> are real estate developments within <a href="/wiki/El_Shorouk" title="El Shorouk">ElShorouk</a> and <a href="/wiki/New_Cairo" title="New Cairo">New Cairo</a> and not cities themselves (see the hyperlinked pages). Overall, the 'new cities' can be found in this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.newcities.gov.eg/english/New_Communities/default.aspx">government list</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ypedia1" title="User:Ypedia1">Ypedia1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ypedia1" title="User talk:Ypedia1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Ypedia1-20230413223600-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ypedia1-20230413223600-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ypedia1-20230413223600-Greater_Cairo_Cities/Satellite_Cities"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esperfulmo-20230414183600-Ypedia1-20230413223600"></span>I indented some of them under their cities. Thanks for noticing</dd> <dd>I indented some of them under their cities. Does that still make them appear as if they are separate entities? Thanks for noting about Helwan. It was changed many times, I'll fix this. It is also confusing, because some maps used on Wikipedia have wrong borders, like incorporating a part of Giza governorate. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Esperfulmo" title="User:Esperfulmo">Esperfulmo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Esperfulmo-20230414183600-Ypedia1-20230413223600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 14 April 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esperfulmo-20230414183600-Ypedia1-20230413223600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esperfulmo-20230414183600-Ypedia1-20230413223600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ypedia1-20230414202800-Esperfulmo-20230414183600"></span>Yes Helwan is quite confusing. If the real estate developments are to be included, that should better be based on some standardised reasoning and applied to all satellite cities. One metric would be area, but again what would be the rationale to choose it: over 1000 acres, 5000, etc?</dd> <dd>I also noticed you removed 15th May, even though its on the list and on Cairo's <a href="/wiki/File:Cairo_city_administrative_boundary_and_districts_En.jpg" title="File:Cairo city administrative boundary and districts En.jpg">map</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ypedia1" title="User:Ypedia1">Ypedia1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ypedia1" title="User talk:Ypedia1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Ypedia1-20230414202800-Esperfulmo-20230414183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ypedia1-20230414202800-Esperfulmo-20230414183600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ypedia1-20230414202800-Esperfulmo-20230414183600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esperfulmo-20230414203300-Ypedia1-20230414202800"></span>Regarding 15 May, because it was defined as part of Cairo, just like Helwan. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Esperfulmo" title="User:Esperfulmo">Esperfulmo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Esperfulmo-20230414203300-Ypedia1-20230414202800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esperfulmo-20230414203300-Ypedia1-20230414202800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esperfulmo-20230414203300-Ypedia1-20230414202800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ypedia1-20230415225800-Esperfulmo-20230414203300"></span>Yes another confusing informality. 15 May was supposed to be devolved to Cairo Governorate from NUCA, so Cairo Gov set up the district (hayy), but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.albayan.ae/culture/2001-05-17-1.1122666">was never transferred</a> and remains run by the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100069002203242">gehaz</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ypedia1" title="User:Ypedia1">Ypedia1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ypedia1" title="User talk:Ypedia1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Ypedia1-20230415225800-Esperfulmo-20230414203300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ypedia1-20230415225800-Esperfulmo-20230414203300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ypedia1-20230415225800-Esperfulmo-20230414203300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Esperfulmo-20230416155200-Ypedia1-20230415225800"></span>I'll source that in the article. You know, it's hard for me when official sources claim something else and occasionally Wikipedians frown upon sourcing Facebook and other social networks, even if official pages. Actually, I find your research complementing. Why haven't you already used these sources in the article? <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Esperfulmo" title="User:Esperfulmo">Esperfulmo</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Esperfulmo#c-Esperfulmo-20230416155200-Ypedia1-20230415225800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 16 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Esperfulmo-20230416155200-Ypedia1-20230415225800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Esperfulmo-20230416155200-Ypedia1-20230415225800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_April_15" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_April_15-20230415060200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_April_15-20230415060200"></span>Disambiguation link notification for April 15<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_April_15-20230415060200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Esperfulmo&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for April 15"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-20230415060200-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_April_15"></span>Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited <a href="/wiki/Lyc%C3%A9e_La_Libert%C3%A9_H%C3%A9liopolis" title="Lycée La Liberté Héliopolis">Lycée La Liberté Héliopolis</a>, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/Literary_Arabic" class="mw-disambig" title="Literary Arabic">Literary Arabic</a>. Such links are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INTDABLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INTDABLINK">usually incorrect</a>, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. <small>(Read the <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot/Dablink_notification_FAQ" title="User:DPL bot/Dablink notification FAQ">FAQ</a> • Join us at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation_pages_with_links" title="Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links">DPL WikiProject</a>.)</small> </p><p>It's OK to remove this message. 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Removing <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> will stop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion process</a>, but other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion processes</a> exist. 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It seems that in the other languages of Wikipedia it was allowed to remain for years. If you still think it has to be deleted, then open the discussion and see other people's input. 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