Howard Marks Sees Investing Opportunities, Value in 'Uninvestable' China

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told <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwBGAmyJ6yg" data-analytics-product-module="body_link" rel=" nofollow">Bloomberg TV</a>. "To me, that word is music to my ears."</p><div class="in-post-sticky only-desktop"><div class="ad-callout-wrapper only-desktop"> <div class="ad-label headline-regular only-desktop">Advertisement</div> <div data-bi-ad="" id="gpt-post-markets-desktop_in_post_ad-desktop-fluid-2" class="ad ad-wrapper fluid in-post only-desktop" data-force="" data-type="ad" data-adunit="marketsinsider.desktop/post/in-content-2/markets" data-secvert="" data-tag="mi-exclusive,china,howard-marks,oaktree-capital,china-stocks,china-markets" data-authors="filip-de-mott" data-region="Desktop In Post Ad" data-responsive="[{"browserLimit":[728,0],"slotSize":[[300,250],"fluid"]},{"browserLimit":[1260,0],"slotSize":[[728,90],[300,250],[800,480],[600,480],"fluid"]}]" data-tile-order="tile-2" data-url="/news/stocks/howard-markets-china-market-investing-outlook-opportunities-forecast-stimulus-oaktree-2024-11" data-template="default" data-targeting="{"adunit":"marketsinsider.desktop/post/in-content-2/markets","region":"Desktop In Post Ad","tag":"mi-exclusive,china,howard-marks,oaktree-capital,china-stocks,china-markets","template":"default","dvp_spos":"in-content-2","rawvert":""}" data-amazontamsizes="[[728,90],[300,250]]" data-enable-ad-refresher="true" data-refresh-count="0"></div> </div></div><p>Though China has been <a target="_blank" href="https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/china-stock-market-outlook-stocks-stimulus-blitz-xi-jinping-2024-11?utm_medium=ingest&utm_source=markets" data-analytics-product-module="body_link" rel="">losing favor</a> among investors, Marks is increasing exposure to the country's beaten-down assets.</p><p>"Clearly, China is on the pile of things that people feel ill about, and it's on that pile that you find the bargains," he said. "That doesn't mean that you should buy everything on the pile, but that's where you look for the castoffs and the bargains."</p><p>Marks suggested that China has "great potential to come into its own," as the country seeks out a sustainable growth model that isn't too dependent on stimulus.</p><div class="in-post-sticky only-desktop"><div class="ad-callout-wrapper only-desktop"> <div class="ad-label headline-regular only-desktop">Advertisement</div> <div data-bi-ad="" id="gpt-post-markets-desktop_in_post_ad-desktop-fluid-3" class="ad ad-wrapper fluid in-post only-desktop" data-force="" data-type="ad" data-adunit="marketsinsider.desktop/post/in-content-3/markets" data-secvert="" data-tag="mi-exclusive,china,howard-marks,oaktree-capital,china-stocks,china-markets" data-authors="filip-de-mott" data-region="Desktop In Post Ad" data-responsive="[{"browserLimit":[728,0],"slotSize":[[300,250],"fluid"]},{"browserLimit":[1260,0],"slotSize":[[728,90],[300,250],[800,480],[600,480],"fluid"]}]" data-tile-order="tile-3" data-url="/news/stocks/howard-markets-china-market-investing-outlook-opportunities-forecast-stimulus-oaktree-2024-11" data-template="default" data-targeting="{"adunit":"marketsinsider.desktop/post/in-content-3/markets","region":"Desktop In Post Ad","tag":"mi-exclusive,china,howard-marks,oaktree-capital,china-stocks,china-markets","template":"default","dvp_spos":"in-content-3","rawvert":""}" data-amazontamsizes="[[728,90],[300,250]]" data-enable-ad-refresher="true" data-refresh-count="0"></div> </div></div><p>"They're trying to calibrate the right amount of stimulus to produce good growth, but not an excessive reliance on stimulus, and stimulus sometimes leads to unwise behavior," he said.</p><p>In the eyes of many foreign investors, the world's second-largest economy has stumbled dangerously in the post-pandemic period. While Beijing tries to revive an inactive consumer base, it is simultaneously looking to fix the country's massive and highly indebted property market.</p><p>Recent stimulus announcements have sparked hope of a rebound, but the pledged actions did <a target="_blank" href="https://www.businessinsider.com/china-xi-jinping-stimulus-plan-wall-street-stock-market-economy-2024-9?utm_medium=ingest&utm_source=markets" data-analytics-product-module="body_link" rel="">not satisfy investors</a> for long. 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He says China will see growth that still exceeds other countries, including the US. 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