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See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:ERRORS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:ERRORS">WT:ERRORS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUBSCRIBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUBSCRIBE">WP:SUBSCRIBE</a>. - Dank (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dank" title="User talk:Dank">push to talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dank-20220929012400-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Today's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Today.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/February_17,_2025" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 17, 2025">Today's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Today's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Tomorrow's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Tomorrow.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/February_18,_2025" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 18, 2025">Tomorrow's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Day-after-tomorrow's_FA" data-mw-thread-id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"><span id="Day-after-tomorrow.27s_FA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/February_19,_2025" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 19, 2025">Day-after-tomorrow's FA</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Day-after-tomorrow's_FA-Errors_in_the_summary_of_the_featured_article"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Errors_with_"In_the_news"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20250217082400"><span id="Errors_with_.22In_the_news.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20250217082400"></span>Errors with "<a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a>"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Errors_with_"In_the_news"-Main_Page_error_reports-20250217082400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400-Errors_with_"In_the_news""></span>There's an error in the blurb on the resignation of Romania's president. According to the Constitution of Romania, if a country's president dies in office or resigns, the president of the Senate takes over the presidential duties temporarily until a new president is elected in a presidential election. In this case, <a href="/wiki/Ilie_Bolojan" title="Ilie Bolojan">Ilie Bolojan</a> as president of the Senate will be acting country's president until a new president assumes office following the <a href="/wiki/2025_Romanian_presidential_election" title="2025 Romanian presidential election">2025 Romanian presidential election</a>. I'm really surprised that this was posted with this wording.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kiril_Simeonovski" title="User:Kiril Simeonovski">Kiril Simeonovski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiril_Simeonovski" title="User talk:Kiril Simeonovski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400-Errors_with_"In_the_news"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400-Errors_with_"In_the_news""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400-Errors_with_"In_the_news""></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Natg_19-20250217085000-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400"></span>What wording do you want instead? "is succeeded by Ilie Bolojan" does not seem factually incorrect, though I suppose "is succeeded by <b>acting president</b> Ilie Bolojan" would be clearer. <a href="/wiki/User:Natg_19" title="User:Natg 19">Natg 19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Natg_19" title="User talk:Natg 19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Natg_19-20250217085000-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Natg_19-20250217085000-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Natg_19-20250217085000-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217082400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217090700-Natg_19-20250217085000"></span>I wouldn't mention the 'succession' at all. The news is that he resigned. We'll know his successor after the election in May.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kiril_Simeonovski" title="User:Kiril Simeonovski">Kiril Simeonovski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kiril_Simeonovski" title="User talk:Kiril Simeonovski">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217090700-Natg_19-20250217085000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217090700-Natg_19-20250217085000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kiril_Simeonovski-20250217090700-Natg_19-20250217085000"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 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side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">There are some unfortunate reasons as to why you might see the same few loosely related articles featured on the main page: <ol><li>The amount of articles that go through the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAC">featured article candidacy</a> process and come out successful is pretty low. Wikipedia, despite being one of the largest websites in the world, has a small editor base and needs more people to contribute, including <i>you</i>. (Yes, I am speaking to <i>you</i>, Wikipedia readers and lurkers. <a href="/wiki/Lord_Kitchener_Wants_You" title="Lord Kitchener Wants You">I want <i>you</i></a> to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F" title="Wikipedia:Why create an account?">click the "Create account" link and start contributing today</a>!)</li> <li>The learning curve of getting an article to FA status is rather steep.</li> <li>The unused backlog of such articles can be large in certain topic areas, which leads to loosely similar articles getting chosen for Today's featured article (TFA).</li></ol> The perceived bias at TFA is due to a lack in new featured articles, and not because we're trying to sell you a commodity. <a href="/wiki/User:LunaEclipse" title="User:LunaEclipse"><span style="color: purple;">🌙<b>Eclipse</b></span></a> (she/they/it/other <a href="/wiki/Neopronouns" class="mw-redirect" title="Neopronouns">neos</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:LunaEclipse" title="User talk:LunaEclipse">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse" title="Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse">edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-LunaEclipse-20250215021600-Alexander_McQueen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Non-admin closure">non-admin closure</a>)<span data-mw-comment-end="c-LunaEclipse-20250215021600-Alexander_McQueen"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LunaEclipse-20250215021600-Alexander_McQueen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600-Alexander_McQueen"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>I'm sorry if I'm formatting this incorrectly or putting this in the wrong place -- I'm new to this form of editing. But I have a question: <b>why do we keep on putting Alexander McQueen's work in the featured article section?</b> Are we an encyclopedia, or are we Alexander McQueen's marketing team? </p><p>The extent to which Alexander McQueen is featured on the main page makes it seem as if our neutrality is compromised. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if people with links to Alexander McQueen are pulling strings behind the scenes. </p><p>Featured articles are supposed to not be reposted. While posting articles on different McQueen exhibits several times a year technically respects this rule, in practice we are giving McQueen a completely disproportionate amount of airtime. Is there a way we could address this problem? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NoahKidd1478&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NoahKidd1478 (page does not exist)">NoahKidd1478</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NoahKidd1478#top" title="User talk:NoahKidd1478">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/NoahKidd1478" title="Special:Contributions/NoahKidd1478">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600-Alexander_McQueen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600-Alexander_McQueen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600-Alexander_McQueen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250130171000-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NoahKidd1478&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NoahKidd1478 (page does not exist)">NoahKidd1478</a>:</span> I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about. Featured articles can be reposted (a five year minimum between turns is current practice, IIRC). More importantly, you have managed to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS">cast aspersions</a> (that editors are shilling for fashion agents) while also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABF">assuming a massive amount of bad faith</a> (suggesting the editors responsible for featured articles are some kind of marketing team). Editors write about the things, subject to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:P%26G" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:P&G">certain policies and guidelines</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VOL">that they want to</a>. The guidelines regarding TFA can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TFA">here</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Incidentally. Prepare to blow a gasket in the future; there are, I think around <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">10 AMQ articles</a> currently with featured status. So far, only five of them have appeared on the main page. Guess we should all go buy AMQ stock. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250130171000-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250130171000-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250130171000-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nebman227-20250130171100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>TFA's are nominated and selected at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/requests" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests">Today's_featured_article/requests</a>. The whole process is transparent and I can assure you that nothing shady is going on.</dd> <dd>Today's Featured Article pulls from the list of articles with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles">Featured Article</a> status which has nothing to do with being "featured" on the main page, which might be a point of confusion if you're new. McQueen articles keep showing up on the main page because an editor has put in a massive amount of work in bringing them to FA status then nominating them to show up on the main page. The best way to get more variety in main page FA's would be to bring some to FA status and nominate them, which you can do. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nebman227&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nebman227 (page does not exist)">Nebman227</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nebman227" title="User talk:Nebman227">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Nebman227-20250130171100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nebman227-20250130171100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nebman227-20250130171100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250210221800-Nebman227-20250130171100"></span>I don't like your response. It seems disproportionately harsh. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250210221800-Nebman227-20250130171100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250210221800-Nebman227-20250130171100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250210221800-Nebman227-20250130171100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700-Mikeblas-20250210221800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">Mikeblas</a>:</span> I don't think Nebman227 response was harsh <i>at all</i>, to be honest. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700-Mikeblas-20250210221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700-Mikeblas-20250210221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700-Mikeblas-20250210221800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250211144400-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700"></span>OK. I disagree, and think it could've been handled far better. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250211144400-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250211144400-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250211144400-Serial_Number_54129-20250211115700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250211200900-Mikeblas-20250211144400"></span>There is nothing in Nebman227‘s comment that is even remotely “harsh”, let alone “disproportionately” so. They have briefly explained the process and suggested a path of positive action. I’m really struggling to see what your complaint is. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250211200900-Mikeblas-20250211144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250211200900-Mikeblas-20250211144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250211200900-Mikeblas-20250211144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20250211203600-SchroCat-20250211200900"></span>Schro, I suspect Mikeblas is attributing SN's post to Nebman227. Wikipedia's indenting system sucks, and I've done similar many times. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Floquenbeam-20250211203600-SchroCat-20250211200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20250211203600-SchroCat-20250211200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20250211203600-SchroCat-20250211200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250213040800-Floquenbeam-20250211203600"></span>I did I am/did. Sorry -- my eyesight isn't great, and there are many accessibility problems. Lining up columns is quite difficult. (Assuming "SN" refers to <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Serial Number 54129">User:Serial_Number_54129</a>.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250213040800-Floquenbeam-20250211203600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250213040800-Floquenbeam-20250211203600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250213040800-Floquenbeam-20250211203600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20250130183300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>I do not understand how putting an article about a collection from 20 years ago is marketing for McQueen. I think that the TFA bias is instead towards articles on underrepresented topics at TFA that were recently promoted to FA status. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TFASTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TFASTATS">WP:TFASTATS</a>, in the past six months, 57 articles were promoted 100 days or less before appearing as TFA, which is a little under 1/3 of the articles at TFA in that period. 22 articles are 100-200 days from promotion which is where Nihilism would fall (about 103 days from promotion), 10 articles for 200-300 days, and then the next drop off stabilises to about 3-5 articles per 100 days. There's also a bias with the TFA co-ords to prioritise FAs that haven't appeared on the main page yet. Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FANMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FANMP">WP:FANMP</a> does not have a lot of visual arts articles that haven't appeared on the main page, the coordinators tend to schedule visual arts articles more quickly. Whether these biases should exist or not is a question that only the community can answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Z1720-20250130183300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20250130183300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20250130183300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NoahKidd1478&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NoahKidd1478 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250130184400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>NoahKidd1478</a>, there isn't a problem to address. We struggle to show sufficient variety as it is and have gluts of unused FAs in some areas (milhist and modern music) and a dearth of articles in multiple areas (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles_that_haven%27t_been_on_the_Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page">here for the large areas of shortfall</a>). Sure, we can ignore new, fresh FAs from an under-represented topic and run more milhist or music, or we can rerun even more older FAs (which carries with it a whole set of other risks and problems), but that's going to lead to many, many more complaints. It would also be unfair on the editors involved in getting these to FA if we deliberately ignore them without a good rationale. If you want us to select different types of FAs, please develop articles and take them through FAC to give us a larger pot of articles to choose from, but these are excellent articles, they've never appeared on the MP before and they will keep being selected. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250130184400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250130184400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250130184400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Kite-20250130190000-SchroCat-20250130184400"></span>Regardless of whether they are excellent articles (and they are), I have to admit that seven TFAs in the last year <i>about the same person</i> does appear to be pushing it a bit. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite" title="User talk:Black Kite">Black Kite (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Black_Kite-20250130190000-SchroCat-20250130184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Kite-20250130190000-SchroCat-20250130184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Kite-20250130190000-SchroCat-20250130184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100-Black_Kite-20250130190000"></span>It does naturally lead to 'PR rep?, or perhaps, 'someone's, Mother?; At any rate, there is no need to jump on Noah for asking about it, it means they are a reader. Thanks for reading, Noah. <a href="/wiki/User:Alanscottwalker" title="User:Alanscottwalker">Alanscottwalker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alanscottwalker" title="User talk:Alanscottwalker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100-Black_Kite-20250130190000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100-Black_Kite-20250130190000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100-Black_Kite-20250130190000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amakuru-20250130215100-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100"></span>Agreed. One or two of the responses above are incredibly rude for what was basically a genuine question about the balance of main-page content. — <a href="/wiki/User:Amakuru" title="User:Amakuru">Amakuru</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amakuru" title="User talk:Amakuru">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Amakuru-20250130215100-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amakuru-20250130215100-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amakuru-20250130215100-Alanscottwalker-20250130195100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250201103200-Amakuru-20250130215100"></span>It's not just a question about MP content though: it's the aspersions and innuendo that are cast when asking the question. That's not acceptable. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250201103200-Amakuru-20250130215100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250201103200-Amakuru-20250130215100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250201103200-Amakuru-20250130215100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250210222200-SchroCat-20250201103200"></span>Maybe not, but Serial could've been much more tempered in their response. Not quite as bad as your direct contradiction denial, but still counter-productive. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250210222200-SchroCat-20250201103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250210222200-SchroCat-20250201103200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250210222200-SchroCat-20250201103200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250211045900-Mikeblas-20250210222200"></span>Ah well, next time I’ll make sure I change my opinion or censor myself so it doesn’t contradict someone who is casting slurs on others. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250211045900-Mikeblas-20250210222200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250211045900-Mikeblas-20250210222200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250211045900-Mikeblas-20250210222200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apfelmaische-20250130211800-SchroCat-20250130184400"></span>Maybe it's time to start cycling in old FAs if there's not enough variety in the unused ones. I think it's more important to be fair to readers than to editors. There's a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles">huge variety of FA</a> that may have only been on TFA once, years ago. <a href="/wiki/User:Apfelmaische" title="User:Apfelmaische">Apfelmaische</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apfelmaische" title="User talk:Apfelmaische">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Apfelmaische-20250130211800-SchroCat-20250130184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Apfelmaische-20250130211800-SchroCat-20250130184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Apfelmaische-20250130211800-SchroCat-20250130184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250130213500-Apfelmaische-20250130211800"></span>Old FAs are already being used (there will be one appearing in two and a half hours, for example), but they come with their own set of problems in terms of where they sit in terms of the current standards. As I have already said, if people could develop articles up to FA standard to give us a wider and deeper pool of articles from which to choose, life would much easier. If not, then our hands are largely tied, given the number of complaints if we start increasing the proportion of milhist or modern music articles to fill the spaces. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250130213500-Apfelmaische-20250130211800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250130213500-Apfelmaische-20250130211800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250130213500-Apfelmaische-20250130211800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apfelmaische-20250130223100-SchroCat-20250130213500"></span>Oh, sorry, I didn't understand the process. The page of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles_that_haven%27t_been_on_the_Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page">unused FAs</a> you linked is super useful. Maybe a new statistics page showing TFAs that have only appeared once (and the order they appeared in) might be similarly useful? I understand that would be a much longer list (thousands?) and not all of them are still up to snuff. Anyway, I think everyone can agree McQueen isn't an underrepresented topic anymore. <a href="/wiki/User:Apfelmaische" title="User:Apfelmaische">Apfelmaische</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apfelmaische" title="User talk:Apfelmaische">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Apfelmaische-20250130223100-SchroCat-20250130213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Apfelmaische-20250130223100-SchroCat-20250130213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Apfelmaische-20250130223100-SchroCat-20250130213500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20250130223900-Apfelmaische-20250130223100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Apfelmaische" title="User:Apfelmaische">Apfelmaische</a>:</span> You might be interested in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:URFA/2020" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:URFA/2020">WP:URFA/2020</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Z1720-20250130223900-Apfelmaische-20250130223100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20250130223900-Apfelmaische-20250130223100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20250130223900-Apfelmaische-20250130223100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_wub-20250130234900-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>The regulars know how the Main Page sections work, but it's evidently unclear to the wider public. This question (about Alexander McQueen specifically, or other topic areas such as video games) comes up regularly here and other places such as the r/wikipedia subreddit. Perhaps it would be worth adding some descriptive subheadings to the main page e.g. "Today's featured article - from Wikipedia's highest quality articles", "Did you know - from recently created or improved articles". <small>But oh god, we would need to come up with a summary for In the news that everyone can agree on.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:The_wub" title="User:The wub">the wub</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_wub" title="User talk:The wub"><span style="color: #080;">"?!"</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-The_wub-20250130234900-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 30 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_wub-20250130234900-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_wub-20250130234900-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20250131033600-The_wub-20250130234900"></span>DYK used to have a tagline along those lines. I wish it'd return. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup class="nowrap">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i></a>]</sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin/%F0%9F%A4%B7" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tamzin/🤷">they|xe|🤷</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Tamzin-20250131033600-The_wub-20250130234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20250131033600-The_wub-20250130234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20250131033600-The_wub-20250130234900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000-The_wub-20250130234900"></span>It's not that clear here in the responses here either. There's not a lot of articles on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles_that_haven%27t_been_on_the_Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page">Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page</a>, but it doesn't seem so constrained that it necessitates five articles about the same person in quick succession. Although I suppose nobody here has yet noted how quick the successions has been, so I could be wrong in an assumption. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000-The_wub-20250130234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000-The_wub-20250130234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000-The_wub-20250130234900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000"></span>Chipmunkdavis</a> Seven TFAs since February 2024; February 12, March 24, May 22, September 18, October 9, December 13, plus yesterday's. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite" title="User talk:Black Kite">Black Kite (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Chipmunkdavis-20250131042000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800-Black_Kite-20250131084500"></span>Less than one a month? Well, my assumption was flawed. This doesn't seem particularly enthusiastic marketing given the number of non-military articles at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles_that_haven%27t_been_on_the_Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page">Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page</a>. If it is a problem at that frequency, what would a better spread be? <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800-Black_Kite-20250131084500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800-Black_Kite-20250131084500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800-Black_Kite-20250131084500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250201084100-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800"></span>The list of those that haven't appeared is just that: they have not appeared. Not all of them are in a fit enough state to put on to the MP without serious work, so it's not as big a pool of available 'fresh' articles as it looks at first glance. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250201084100-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250201084100-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250201084100-Chipmunkdavis-20250131084800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20250131043100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>Every time I see a thread about "too much <someone's niche topic> on the Main Page", my thought is like... get over it? I cannot think of any other context in which people criticize Wikipedians for doing literally the thing Wikipedians are most supposed to do: writing good Wikipedia articles. Nor has anyone ever explained to me why there being a series of articles on a topic on the Main Page is for some reason a bad thing. That seems to always be stated as a given, but, why? There is nothing about the Main Page's structure that would give readers the impression we <em>don't</em> have series of articles on topics. The closest thing to the Main Page among traditional media is a newspaper, and newspaper run series on niche topics all the time.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>The whole thing—and I don't just mean the OP, who I appreciate is a new user, but I mean as a general phenomenon on Wikipedia—just reads like sour grapes. So you're not interested in something that keeps coming up on the Main Page? Alright. Go read a different article then. There's about 35 featured on the page at any point in time. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup class="nowrap">[<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i></a>]</sup> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin/%F0%9F%A4%B7" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tamzin/🤷">they|xe|🤷</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Tamzin-20250131043100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20250131043100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20250131043100-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Tamzin-20250131043100"></span>Tamzin</a> Going to have to disagree with you there. If people are complaining about <i>the type of TFAs</i> (i.e. "There are too many music/video game/pop culture/military history TFAs") then yes, that's not an issue, because it is multiple articles about different subjects, even if they share a genre. But here we have seven TFAs in a year about a <i>single person</i>, which does seem to me to be excessive. This is absolutely no reflection on those articles author, incidentally; they're great articles. But there are over 6,600 FAs, and it just seems that it could be balanced out a bit. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite" title="User talk:Black Kite">Black Kite (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Tamzin-20250131043100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Tamzin-20250131043100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Kite-20250131084500-Tamzin-20250131043100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20250131092000-Black_Kite-20250131084500"></span>It is a choice of what to balance, I guess. We have enough sports articles that the TFA coords can run regularly sports articles that are not about Gillingham FC, the 1948 Australian cricket team or the World Snooker Championship so people don't notice how many of those we have. On the other hand, if the TFA coords don't feature McQueen, they can't feature fashion at all. Overall I think the coords are generally doing a good job balancing out TFA topics given the material we give them to work with. —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Kusma-20250131092000-Black_Kite-20250131084500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20250131092000-Black_Kite-20250131084500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20250131092000-Black_Kite-20250131084500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Largoplazo-20250131132700-Tamzin-20250131043100"></span>All the responses here set in terms of defending editors against criticism are tone-deaf. Whatever group, by whatever process sincerely followed in good faith, determines what article to place on the main page each day should simply take into account the problem of giving Wikipedia the <i>appearance</i> of a conflict of interest, and should be sensitive, whether <i>a priori</i> in making their selections or afterwards in responding to expressed concerns, to this and try to avoid it at the same time they're applying all the other criteria that they apply. <a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Largoplazo" title="User talk:Largoplazo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Largoplazo-20250131132700-Tamzin-20250131043100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Largoplazo-20250131132700-Tamzin-20250131043100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Largoplazo-20250131132700-Tamzin-20250131043100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20250131134800-Largoplazo-20250131132700"></span>The thing is, the Main Page TFA showcases our top quality content, which is extremely unevenly distributed among the topics covered by Wikipedia in general. For example, we have <a href="/wiki/Category:FA-Class_Taylor_Swift_articles" title="Category:FA-Class Taylor Swift articles">24</a> FAs related to Taylor Swift and <a href="/wiki/Category:FA-Class_country_articles" title="Category:FA-Class country articles">9</a> FAs about countries. Sure, we can try to make people not notice how unbalanced we are lest they believe we have a conflict of interest, but it almost seems dishonest to pretend we don't have this massive systemic bias. —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Kusma-20250131134800-Largoplazo-20250131132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20250131134800-Largoplazo-20250131132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20250131134800-Largoplazo-20250131132700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyperbolick-20250131061700-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>Does lend to the "Whiteguypedia" stereotype. <a href="/wiki/User:Hyperbolick" title="User:Hyperbolick">Hyperbolick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyperbolick" title="User talk:Hyperbolick">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Hyperbolick-20250131061700-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyperbolick-20250131061700-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyperbolick-20250131061700-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20250131124300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>There are some overly strong comments here on both sides of the debate. I too have been wondering why we've had so many McQueen TFAs and am glad that NoahKidd1478 raised the question. TFAs are selected on quality, and the topical coverage is limited by what quality articles have been written and promoted. They're not advertising and it's good that someone has put the effort in to write these articles. At the same time, the number of TFAs about McQueen has been unreasonably high - seven in a single year is too much. That's about double the rate I consider a sensible maximum. So yes, we should continue running TFAs about McQueen, but they should be spread out more. Three a year would be plenty. <a href="/wiki/User:Modest_Genius" title="User:Modest Genius"><b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modest_Genius" title="User talk:Modest Genius"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Modest_Genius-20250131124300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modest_Genius-20250131124300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modest_Genius-20250131124300-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span>It takes a long time to produce new featured articles. They're passion projects, and editors write about what they care about. If you think that different articles need to be promoted, then go make those articles better so they qualify. Put up or shut up. <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien"><span style="color:sienna">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400-NoahKidd1478-20250130161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250131175200-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400"></span>Yup, I've been working on <a href="/wiki/Margaret_Sibella_Brown" title="Margaret Sibella Brown">Margaret Sibella Brown</a> for over six years; anybody who wants to fight the "whiteguypedia" stereotype is welcome to drop by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Margaret_Sibella_Brown/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Margaret Sibella Brown/archive1">FAC</a> with a review. And Alien is right; the best way to fix our biased selection of articles is to write ones on under-represented topics. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-RoySmith-20250131175200-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250131175200-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250131175200-Thebiguglyalien-20250131174400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250131155700-Alexander_McQueen"></span>There's a number of issues wrapped up together here, but let me concentrate on the re-running of old material. I gather it happens from time to time on TFA, and within the past year or so, DYK passed a new rule allowing it there. I don't get why we want to do that. There's so much new material that deserves greater visibility, it seems silly to me that we're wasting limited main page space to run old stuff again. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-RoySmith-20250131155700-Alexander_McQueen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250131155700-Alexander_McQueen"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250131155700-Alexander_McQueen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20250131162400-RoySmith-20250131155700"></span>There are multiple reasons, but the simplest is that the Featured Articles process promotes substantially fewer than 365 articles per year, and has done since 2010. See the deltaFAs column at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_statistics" title="Wikipedia:Featured article statistics">Wikipedia:Featured article statistics</a>. If TFA didn't run some repeats, they would run out of articles sooner or later. I don't think having previously run something as TFA in (say) 2009 should disqualify it in 2025. <a href="/wiki/User:Modest_Genius" title="User:Modest Genius"><b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modest_Genius" title="User talk:Modest Genius"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Modest_Genius-20250131162400-RoySmith-20250131155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modest_Genius-20250131162400-RoySmith-20250131155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modest_Genius-20250131162400-RoySmith-20250131155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wehwalt-20250131172500-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span>It's not that it ran in 2009 that disqualifies such an article. It's that since then it's had 15 plus years of the ebb and flow of Wikipedia editing that possibly hasn't improved it, especially since a lot of the people who were producing TFAs in the 00's are inactive or less active than they were, and likely no one has been watching the article very much. Also, we are limited in running reruns is that there may be no more than two a week. I'm not out to increase that because TFA is for many editors a capstone for their hard work on an article and we want to encourage people to write more FAs by rewarding them in the only way this project can. <a href="/wiki/User:Wehwalt" title="User:Wehwalt">Wehwalt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wehwalt" title="User talk:Wehwalt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Wehwalt-20250131172500-Modest_Genius-20250131162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wehwalt-20250131172500-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wehwalt-20250131172500-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20250203133200-Wehwalt-20250131172500"></span>Yeah, I appreciate that the number of repeats is deliberately limited and there need to be checks to ensure the article quality is still up to FA standard. I was over-simplifying to explain why we have any repeats at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Modest_Genius" title="User:Modest Genius"><b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modest_Genius" title="User talk:Modest Genius"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Modest_Genius-20250203133200-Wehwalt-20250131172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modest_Genius-20250203133200-Wehwalt-20250131172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modest_Genius-20250203133200-Wehwalt-20250131172500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250131172900-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span>I didn't realize there was a deficit of FAs. That certainly reduces my anxiety about whether any FA I do will be good enough to make TFA :-) But DYK has exactly the opposite problem; we have more material than we can handle, which is why we keep having to switch to running two sets per day. So I'm still mystified why people feel the need for reruns. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-RoySmith-20250131172900-Modest_Genius-20250131162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250131172900-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250131172900-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wehwalt-20250131174400-RoySmith-20250131172900"></span>You mean on TFAs? Because if we don't, we will slowly have less and less variety because we have less and less to choose from. <a href="/wiki/User:Wehwalt" title="User:Wehwalt">Wehwalt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wehwalt" title="User talk:Wehwalt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Wehwalt-20250131174400-RoySmith-20250131172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wehwalt-20250131174400-RoySmith-20250131172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wehwalt-20250131174400-RoySmith-20250131172900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500-Wehwalt-20250131174400"></span>Should we consider expanding the "thing" to "From today's featured or good article", starting to include GA:s as well? That would give us more to choose from. We don't have to change the wording, "featured" here seems to mean "shown on mainpage". <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500-Wehwalt-20250131174400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500-Wehwalt-20250131174400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500-Wehwalt-20250131174400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500"></span>I think that would be a bad step. TFA is supposed to showcase our best work and many GAs are not at that standard. Besides, GAs get their chance to appear at DYK once they get promoted. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250201093500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WhatamIdoing-20250209170600-RoySmith-20250131172900"></span>In re <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">DYK has exactly the opposite problem; we have more material than we can handle, which is why we keep having to switch to running two sets per day</span>: DYK used to routinely run four sets per day, so that's gone down, too. <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing">WhatamIdoing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WhatamIdoing" title="User talk:WhatamIdoing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-WhatamIdoing-20250209170600-RoySmith-20250131172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WhatamIdoing-20250209170600-RoySmith-20250131172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WhatamIdoing-20250209170600-RoySmith-20250131172900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20250131175300-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span>I had no idea our deficit was this bad. OK, challenge accepted, I will try for more than one this year :) —<a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kusma" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Kusma-20250131175300-Modest_Genius-20250131162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20250131175300-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20250131175300-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kusma" title="User:Kusma"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Kusma-20250131175300"></span>Kusma</a>, The stats are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_statistics" title="Wikipedia:Featured article statistics">here</a>, but broadly the promotions over the last six years:</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <td>2024</td> <td>282 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2023</td> <td>317 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2022</td> <td>300 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2021</td> <td>325 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2020</td> <td>268 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2019</td> <td>280 </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As you can see, we're running well short of the 365 we need to keep the level flat - and that's without taking into account <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAR">WP:FAR</a> which will reduce the overall pot. But for selecting for the front page the problem is exacerbated by the gluts we have in certain areas (milhist, modern music), where we get more complaints if we run too many of those and demands for more variety. People like reading the Culture and society articles, but we're low on those (which is one of the reasons why McQueen has appeared a few times this year) and some broader topics are entirely empty, meaning we're severely constrained when the question of "variety" is considered in what to run each month. I keep challenging people who complain about TFA to write something that can appear there, but I've not seen anything positive come from it: people would rather complain and hope someone else does the actual work of magicking up a solution out of nothing! Cheers - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Kusma-20250131175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Kusma-20250131175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250201102900-Kusma-20250131175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20250203134000-SchroCat-20250201102900"></span>Regarding FAR, most articles that appear there have already been TFA, so sometimes those articles are reviewed there in anticipation of a re-run. There are not many FARs on under-represented topics that have not appeared at TFA (because usually, if they are underrepresented they appear at TFA pretty quickly). <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Z1720-20250203134000-SchroCat-20250201102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20250203134000-SchroCat-20250201102900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20250203134000-SchroCat-20250201102900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wehwalt-20250203134900-Z1720-20250203134000"></span>In March, I believe we are featuring as reruns five articles that recently survived FAR. At least I know someone's looked at them. <a href="/wiki/User:Wehwalt" title="User:Wehwalt">Wehwalt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wehwalt" title="User talk:Wehwalt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Wehwalt-20250203134900-Z1720-20250203134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wehwalt-20250203134900-Z1720-20250203134000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wehwalt-20250203134900-Z1720-20250203134000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ca-20250203112600-SchroCat-20250201102900"></span>Wow, I never thought the deficit was that bad. Perhaps we can try periodically replace the TFA section with another section? One idea I had was to create a Wikipedia tips section that teaches readers about reading page history, raising concerns on the talk page, undoing vandalism, adding sources, etc. etc.(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)/Archive_62#New_main_page_section:_Wikipedia_tips" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 62">Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 62#New main page section: Wikipedia tips</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Ca" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ca" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a></sup></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Ca-20250203112600-SchroCat-20250201102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ca-20250203112600-SchroCat-20250201102900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ca-20250203112600-SchroCat-20250201102900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-20250203134800-Ca-20250203112600"></span>I wonder if it would help when doing GA reviews to keep an eye out for FA candidates. There's a wide quality range to GA. Some meet the letter of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GACR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GACR">WP:GACR</a> and not much more, but some are outstanding bits of writing and it might help improve the FA pipeline if GA reviewers would encourage those authors to take the next step. <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-RoySmith-20250203134800-Ca-20250203112600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-20250203134800-Ca-20250203112600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-20250203134800-Ca-20250203112600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250203164600-RoySmith-20250203134800"></span>That would certainly be a benefit, although I suspect the ones that are both 1. of a sufficient standard and b. have sufficient wide coverage of the relevant literature may not be too big - although I am not familiar enough with what goes through GAN nowadays. They would also have to be reviewed (or at least seen) by someone familiar enough with FA standards to spot a potential nom. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-SchroCat-20250203164600-RoySmith-20250203134800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250203164600-RoySmith-20250203134800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250203164600-RoySmith-20250203134800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Largoplazo-20250131225200-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span>So ... feature another article every week instead of every day? <a href="/wiki/User:Largoplazo" title="User:Largoplazo">Largoplazo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Largoplazo" title="User talk:Largoplazo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Largoplazo-20250131225200-Modest_Genius-20250131162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 31 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Largoplazo-20250131225200-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Largoplazo-20250131225200-Modest_Genius-20250131162400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JayCubby-20250201001100-RoySmith-20250131155700"></span>Why not try to produce new material, say by featuring something at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_improvement" title="Wikipedia:Articles for improvement">AfI</a> or encouraging readers to contribute more overtly? <b><a href="/wiki/User:JayCubby" title="User:JayCubby"><span style="background:#0a0e33;color:white;padding:2px;">Jay</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JayCubby" title="User talk:JayCubby"><span style="background:#1a237e;color:white;padding:2px;">Cubby</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-JayCubby-20250201001100-RoySmith-20250131155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JayCubby-20250201001100-RoySmith-20250131155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JayCubby-20250201001100-RoySmith-20250131155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wehwalt-20250201165000-JayCubby-20250201001100"></span>People write about what they are interested in. That's the bottom line. And writing a FA is a Lot of Work, the standards are high and exacting, the learning curve is steep, and we have no incentives to offer besides the privilege of seeing one's work or a summary thereof spend 24 hours on the main page. <a href="/wiki/User:Wehwalt" title="User:Wehwalt">Wehwalt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wehwalt" title="User talk:Wehwalt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Wehwalt-20250201165000-JayCubby-20250201001100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 1 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wehwalt-20250201165000-JayCubby-20250201001100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wehwalt-20250201165000-JayCubby-20250201001100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrybak-20250206180600-Wehwalt-20250201165000"></span>Other incentives, some of which are applicable to writing a FA, are: <a href="/wiki/Template:Featured_Article_Barnstar" title="Template:Featured Article Barnstar">barnstars</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_content_barnstar_templates" title="Category:Featured content barnstar templates">other awards</a> to get from peers, <a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_content_user_templates" title="Category:Featured content user templates">userboxes and topicons</a> to display on your userpage yourself. —⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Andrybak" title="User:Andrybak">andrybak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrybak" title="User talk:Andrybak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrybak-20250206180600-Wehwalt-20250201165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrybak-20250206180600-Wehwalt-20250201165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrybak-20250206180600-Wehwalt-20250201165000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250206183900-Andrybak-20250206180600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andrybak" title="User:Andrybak">Andrybak</a>:</span> Successful FAC nominators do get recognition at the moment, see for example (quite self-indulgently!) <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129#Promotion_of_Act_of_Accord" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">my talk page</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250206183900-Andrybak-20250206180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250206183900-Andrybak-20250206180600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250206183900-Andrybak-20250206180600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrybak-20250209172500-Andrybak-20250206180600"></span>There are also simpler, less noticeable peer rewards, like <a href="/wiki/Help:Notifications/Thanks" title="Help:Notifications/Thanks">thanks for edits</a>. —⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Andrybak" title="User:Andrybak">andrybak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrybak" title="User talk:Andrybak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrybak-20250209172500-Andrybak-20250206180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 9 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrybak-20250209172500-Andrybak-20250206180600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrybak-20250209172500-Andrybak-20250206180600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility" data-mw-thread-id="h-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility-General_discussion-20250206070900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility-General_discussion-20250206070900"></span>Main page active editor count accessibility<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility-General_discussion-20250206070900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.206.40.108-20250206070900-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1236090951"><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">See also: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_208#Add_number_of_editors_in_the_topmost_banner" title="Talk:Main Page/Archive 208">Talk:Main Page/Archive 208 § Add number of editors in the topmost banner</a></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">User talk:MSGJ</a></div></div> <p>After the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1267837350" title="Special:Diff/1267837350">second</a> edit, the copied and pasted text is wrongly spaced. Following "More anniversaries", it should be like this: </p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"><tbody><tr><td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td><td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;">126,324 active editors6,950,204 articles</div></td><td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td><td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;">126,324 active editors<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"> </ins><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins>6,950,204 articles</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I suggest: </p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"><tbody><tr><td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td><td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;">editors</li><li>[[Special:</div></td><td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td><td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;">editors</li><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"> </ins><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins><li>[[Special:</div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Flatlist" title="Template:Flatlist">flatlist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> may also be useful as it's used by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:SelAnnivFooter" title="Template:SelAnnivFooter">SelAnnivFooter</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-173.206.40.108-20250206070900-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.206.40.108-20250206070900-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.206.40.108-20250206070900-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20250206085400-173.206.40.108-20250206070900"></span>The spacing looks fine for me — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-MSGJ-20250206085400-173.206.40.108-20250206070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20250206085400-173.206.40.108-20250206070900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20250206085400-173.206.40.108-20250206070900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.206.40.108-20250206092400-MSGJ-20250206085400"></span>The visual rendering is identical in both cases, but the copied text is different. That may cause a problem for screen readers. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-173.206.40.108-20250206092400-MSGJ-20250206085400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 6 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.206.40.108-20250206092400-MSGJ-20250206085400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.206.40.108-20250206092400-MSGJ-20250206085400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.206.40.108-20250207023400-MSGJ-20250206085400"></span>Here's a simple experiment you can try: Double click on "editors" on the main page. It shouldn't select the "6" but it currently does. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-173.206.40.108-20250207023400-MSGJ-20250206085400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.206.40.108-20250207023400-MSGJ-20250206085400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.206.40.108-20250207023400-MSGJ-20250206085400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20250207124300-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> any comment on this? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-MSGJ-20250207124300-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20250207124300-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20250207124300-Main_page_active_editor_count_accessibility"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600-MSGJ-20250207124300"></span>IP, I tried adding the space but it does not change the selecting behavior (I assume because the space gets swallowed up by the MediaWiki parsing void), the correct way to handle this might be to add a <a href="/wiki/Zero-width_space" title="Zero-width space">zero-width space</a>. However, I'm not sure if that will translate to a better experience from screen-readers Ping @<a href="/wiki/User:Graham87" title="User:Graham87">Graham87</a>, who is the only user who I know who might use a screen-reader. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(1deg)">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600-MSGJ-20250207124300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600-MSGJ-20250207124300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600-MSGJ-20250207124300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"></span>For easy accessiblity <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page_alternatives/(editable)" title="Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives/(editable)">Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives/(editable)</a> contains the Zero-width-space edit that is proposed. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(1deg)">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graham87-20250207133800-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"></span>The original version on the Main Page works fine in both <a href="/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)" title="JAWS (screen reader)">JAWS</a> and <a href="/wiki/NonVisual_Desktop_Access" title="NonVisual Desktop Access">NVDA</a> because they, like most screen readers, put list items on their own line. And we don't add spaces after list items in general and it's never been a problem ... <a href="/wiki/User:Graham87" title="User:Graham87">Graham87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graham87" title="User talk:Graham87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Graham87-20250207133800-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graham87-20250207133800-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graham87-20250207133800-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20250207132200-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"></span>Why do we even need an unordered list here, are we trying to force a break at very tiny resolutions? — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Xaosflux-20250207132200-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20250207132200-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20250207132200-Sohom_Datta-20250207131900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207132600-Xaosflux-20250207132200"></span>We are, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page/styles.css#L-100" title="Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css">Wikipedia:Main_Page/styles.css#L-100</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b class="skin-invert" style="color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(1deg)">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span class="skin-invert" style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Sohom_Datta-20250207132600-Xaosflux-20250207132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207132600-Xaosflux-20250207132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20250207132600-Xaosflux-20250207132200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-20250207143300-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"></span>The addition of the space has fixed the selecting behaviour on my browser. If there are no downsides, then this seems like a minor improvement — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-MSGJ-20250207143300-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-20250207143300-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-20250207143300-Sohom_Datta-20250207131600"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.206.40.108-20250207165000-MSGJ-20250207143300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> Sorry, I meant on Firefox. I neglected to test Chrome, which not only selects the "6" but the ",951,012", and this current behavior on Chrome is correct and consistent with clicking to the left of "Archive · More featured lists". So a zero-width space <b>should not</b> be used. My edit request works on Firefox, so it's not the "MediaWiki parsing void", which I worked around using "&#32;" at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Burma-shave" title="Template:Burma-shave">burma-shave</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</dd> <dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Graham87" title="User:Graham87">Graham87</a>:</span> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:SelAnnivFooter" title="Template:SelAnnivFooter">SelAnnivFooter</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> uses newlines to solve this problem, which you can chose to use instead of my solution. The double click and screen readers were just what I thought were better examples. My real use case is that I like to Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from Wikipedia into Google Translate. Using Firefox, I get "126,690 active editors6,951,041 articles in English" but I want the copied text to be spaced properly like the "Archive By email List of days of the year About" below. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108" title="Special:Contributions/173.206.40.108">173.206.40.108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.206.40.108" title="User talk:173.206.40.108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-173.206.40.108-20250207165000-MSGJ-20250207143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 7 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.206.40.108-20250207165000-MSGJ-20250207143300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.206.40.108-20250207165000-MSGJ-20250207143300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Broken_banner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Broken_banner-General_discussion-20250210221200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Broken_banner-General_discussion-20250210221200"></span>Broken banner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Broken_banner-General_discussion-20250210221200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250210221200-Broken_banner"></span>The "Latino Poetry" banner is unusable in dark mode. It renders black text on a dark grey background. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250210221200-Broken_banner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250210221200-Broken_banner"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250210221200-Broken_banner"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20250211121400-Mikeblas-20250210221200"></span>Latino poetry isn't mentioned anywhere on the <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a>, and wasn't <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page/Yesterday" title="Wikipedia:Main Page/Yesterday">yesterday either</a>. I don't know what banner you're referring to, but this is the wrong place to discuss it. <a href="/wiki/User:Modest_Genius" title="User:Modest Genius"><b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modest_Genius" title="User talk:Modest Genius"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Modest_Genius-20250211121400-Mikeblas-20250210221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modest_Genius-20250211121400-Mikeblas-20250210221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modest_Genius-20250211121400-Mikeblas-20250210221200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nebman227-20250211131500-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span>There is a banner (I assume from the WMF) stating "Learn to edit Wikipedia while shining a light on Latino poets in this 8-week course. Enroll now!" that only appears on the main page and main page talk as far as I can tell. As something that only appears when visiting the main page, and only affects the main page experience, for those like us who don't know where it's coming from, this is the logical venue, no? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nebman227&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nebman227 (page does not exist)">Nebman227</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nebman227" title="User talk:Nebman227">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Nebman227-20250211131500-Modest_Genius-20250211121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nebman227-20250211131500-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nebman227-20250211131500-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modest_Genius-20250211135900-Nebman227-20250211131500"></span>I do not see any such banner, either logged in or out. Perhaps it's only for users in specific countries? Regardless, if the WMF is overlaying a banner that isn't under the control of English Wikipedia, then there's nothing we can do about it on this talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Modest_Genius" title="User:Modest Genius"><b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modest_Genius" title="User talk:Modest Genius"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Modest_Genius-20250211135900-Nebman227-20250211131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modest_Genius-20250211135900-Nebman227-20250211131500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modest_Genius-20250211135900-Nebman227-20250211131500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250211151200-Nebman227-20250211131500"></span>I figured this was the right place to ask about the banner since the main page is where the banner is displayed. Even if this <i>wasn't</i> the right place, I figured someone might be kind enough to point me to the right place.</dd> <dd>You have proven me wrong. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250211151200-Nebman227-20250211131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250211151200-Nebman227-20250211131500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250211151200-Nebman227-20250211131500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600-Mikeblas-20250211151200"></span>I don't like your response. It seems disproportionately harsh. <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600-Mikeblas-20250211151200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600-Mikeblas-20250211151200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600-Mikeblas-20250211151200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250213040600-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600"></span>Sorry. I worded it as kindly as I could. Did you have a specific suggestion about how I might improve it? (Or: are you just having a run at me for my objection to some rudeness in another thread?) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Mikeblas-20250213040600-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20250213040600-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20250213040600-Jlwoodwa-20250211195600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20250213210900-Mikeblas-20250213040600"></span>If someone says "I don't know what you're talking about and I don't think it's part of the main page", and they don't tell you where the banner came from or the proper place to discuss it, I would assume (in good faith) that they simply don't know the right place, rather than attributing this lack of information to their not being "kind enough". <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Jlwoodwa-20250213210900-Mikeblas-20250213040600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20250213210900-Mikeblas-20250213040600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20250213210900-Mikeblas-20250213040600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211131900-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span>It's possible to disable banner display in preferences (<a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners</a>); could that be why some editors can't see it? (Myself included.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211131900-Modest_Genius-20250211121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211131900-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250211131900-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrybak-20250211133400-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span>From <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request" class="extiw" title="meta:CentralNotice/Request">meta:CentralNotice/Request</a>, I found <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Anthology_of_Latino_Poetry_Wiki_Scholars_Course" class="extiw" title="meta:CentralNotice/Request/Anthology of Latino Poetry Wiki Scholars Course">meta:CentralNotice/Request/Anthology of Latino Poetry Wiki Scholars Course</a>. The banner edit interface is at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/Edit/AoLPWSC2025_banner" class="extiw" title="meta:Special:CentralNoticeBanners/Edit/AoLPWSC2025 banner">meta:Special:CentralNoticeBanners/Edit/AoLPWSC2025_banner</a>. —⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Andrybak" title="User:Andrybak">andrybak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrybak" title="User talk:Andrybak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrybak-20250211133400-Modest_Genius-20250211121400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrybak-20250211133400-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrybak-20250211133400-Modest_Genius-20250211121400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrybak-20250211133800-Andrybak-20250211133400"></span>I left a comment about the dark mode problem on the Meta page: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Anthology_of_Latino_Poetry_Wiki_Scholars_Course#Discussion" class="extiw" title="meta:CentralNotice/Request/Anthology of Latino Poetry Wiki Scholars Course">meta:CentralNotice/Request/Anthology of Latino Poetry Wiki Scholars Course#Discussion</a>. —⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Andrybak" title="User:Andrybak">andrybak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrybak" title="User talk:Andrybak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#c-Andrybak-20250211133800-Andrybak-20250211133400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrybak-20250211133800-Andrybak-20250211133400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrybak-20250211133800-Andrybak-20250211133400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20250211152200-Andrybak-20250211133800"></span>Thanks for digging into this! 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