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Standards</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">16 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standards-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Image backed-out for not having a valid free use rational</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_to_automatically_archive_sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_to_automatically_archive_sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>How to automatically archive sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_to_automatically_archive_sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Are non english sources considered unreliable?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">23 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_good_faith_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_good_faith_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Question about good faith edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_good_faith_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Whoops..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Whoops..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Whoops...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Whoops...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Archiving_question" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Archiving_question"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Archiving question</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Archiving_question-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-citing_patents" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#citing_patents"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>citing patents</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-citing_patents-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Advanced_source_searching" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Advanced_source_searching"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Advanced source searching</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Advanced_source_searching-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in_the_"Successor"_field?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in_the_"Successor"_field?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>On the latest tech devices, should there be the name of an unreleased device in the "Successor" field?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in_the_"Successor"_field?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feedback_on_Reversion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feedback_on_Reversion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Feedback on Reversion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Feedback_on_Reversion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Translation_review" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Translation_review"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Translation review</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Translation_review-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Draft:List of Minecraft mobs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-why_is_there_no_trivia?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#why_is_there_no_trivia?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>why is there no trivia?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-why_is_there_no_trivia?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Deadline for Draft Article I Started?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Making_an_article_with_Grammarly"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Making an article with Grammarly</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Keep me logged in for up to one year</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Getting_an_article_assessed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Getting_an_article_assessed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Getting an article assessed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Getting_an_article_assessed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Page_draft_rejected" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Page_draft_rejected"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Page draft rejected</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Page_draft_rejected-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:HOUND_advice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:HOUND_advice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>WP:HOUND advice</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WP:HOUND_advice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-article_section_draft" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#article_section_draft"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>article section draft</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-article_section_draft-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>How do I remove this copyright violation?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>sfn errors due to exact date and last name</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Where can I find typography nerds to help me?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_word_"Caucasian"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_word_"Caucasian""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> 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id="toc-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Draft:Pilot (The Flash, 1990 TV series)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Advice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Advice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Advice</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Advice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Is this ref code supposed to be visible?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I_Do?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I_Do?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>My Draft Article Was Published On Wikitia.com By One Of Their Editors, What Do I Do?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I_Do?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Help on creating a disambiguation page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Citation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Citation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Citation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Citation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Single_source_issues" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Single_source_issues"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Single source issues</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Single_source_issues-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Accidental_Edit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Accidental_Edit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Accidental Edit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Accidental_Edit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Sockpuppetry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Sockpuppetry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Sockpuppetry</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Sockpuppetry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Redirecting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Redirecting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Redirecting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Redirecting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-No_article_about_Barron_Trump" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#No_article_about_Barron_Trump"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>No article about Barron Trump</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-No_article_about_Barron_Trump-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-My_Draft_Page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_Draft_Page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>My Draft Page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-My_Draft_Page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Guard Brigades of the HVO</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Afd_nominations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Afd_nominations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Afd nominations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Afd_nominations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Global_contribs" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Global_contribs"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Global contribs</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Global_contribs-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Question about responding to talk page disscussions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_Approval" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_Approval"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Article Approval</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_Approval-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Unicode code points in wikitext</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Unicode code points in wikitext subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52.1</span> <span>Gentlemen, you can't "chat" in here; this is the tearoom</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Harrumph_(segue)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Harrumph_(segue)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52.2</span> <span>Harrumph (segue)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Harrumph_(segue)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir" 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class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:%C4%8Cajovna" title="Wikipedie:Čajovna – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Čajovna" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hj%C3%A6lp:Nybegynderforum" title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Dansk</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ary mw-list-item"><a href="https://ary.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%86" title="ويكيپيديا:صالون – Moroccan Arabic" lang="ary" hreflang="ary" data-title="ويكيپيديا:صالون" data-language-autonym="الدارجة" data-language-local-name="Moroccan Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>الدارجة</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_von_Neulingen" title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Deutsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_des_nouveaux" title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hi badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल – Hindi" lang="hi" hreflang="hi" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल" data-language-autonym="हिन्दी" data-language-local-name="Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>हिन्दी</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bantuan)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan) – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%DB%92_%D8%AC%D8%A7%DB%92" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>कॉशुर / کٲشُر</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(kezd%C5%91knek)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%B0" title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-new mw-list-item"><a href="https://new.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B8:_%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%3F" title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु? – Newari" lang="new" hreflang="new" data-title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु?" data-language-autonym="नेपाल भाषा" data-language-local-name="Newari" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाल भाषा</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum – Norwegian Bokmål" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Bokmål" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Norsk bokmål</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-or mw-list-item"><a href="https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%89%E0%AC%87%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A1%E0%AC%BC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%86:%E0%AC%AA%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%A8_%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%A8%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%A4%E0%AD%81" title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପ୍ରଶ୍ନ ପଚାରନ୍ତୁ – Odia" lang="or" hreflang="or" data-title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପ୍ରଶ୍ନ ପଚାରନ୍ତୁ" data-language-autonym="ଓଡ଼ିଆ" data-language-local-name="Odia" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ଓଡ଼ିଆ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uz mw-list-item"><a href="https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Choyxona" title="Vikipediya:Choyxona – Uzbek" lang="uz" hreflang="uz" data-title="Vikipediya:Choyxona" data-language-autonym="Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча" data-language-local-name="Uzbek" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%81%DB%8C" title="ويکيپېډيا:چای ځی – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:چای ځی" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pytania_nowicjuszy" title="Wikipedia:Pytania nowicjuszy – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Pytania nowicjuszy" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_novatos" title="Wikipédia:Café dos novatos – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Café dos novatos" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Português</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%89%D1%8C_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" 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creating for review </p><p><a href="/wiki/Draft:Gianni_Lora_Lamia" title="Draft:Gianni Lora Lamia">Draft:Gianni Lora Lamia</a> </p><p>But it was declined telling me to make some corrections before submitting it for review again. </p><p>I am a new editor and I kindly ask if you can help me correct this page </p><p><br/> Thank you very Much <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250210175200-Help_for_page_creation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250210175200-Help_for_page_creation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250210175200-Help_for_page_creation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20250210175900-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span>Can you tell what specific help you are seeking? <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20250210175900-Phx-Racing-20250210175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20250210175900-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20250210175900-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250210181400-331dot-20250210175900"></span>I would like to know what I have to do to correct the page, what are the things I should correct or modify</dd> <dd>Thank you very much again <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250210181400-331dot-20250210175900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250210181400-331dot-20250210175900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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Most of your citations are bare URLs. These are unsatisactory, because they make it harder for reviewers to evaluate the reliability and independence of the sources. Your citation should include title, author (if available), publisher, date, and page number, at the very least.</dd> <dd>I haven't looked closely at your draft, but it looks to me as if far too much of it is not about Lamia. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable independent sources</a> say about the subject (in this case Lamia) and very little else. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20250210181700-Phx-Racing-20250210175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20250210181700-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20250210181700-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300-ColinFine-20250210181700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> I ran <a class="external text" href="https://citations.toolforge.org/">citation bot</a> on the draft, which helped a bit but there's still a lot of work to be done. See <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Help:Referencing for beginners</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300-ColinFine-20250210181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300-ColinFine-20250210181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300-ColinFine-20250210181700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250214160800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300"></span>Hello, I try to create esxternal links for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/370301-gianni-lora-lamia/">https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/370301-gianni-lora-lamia/</a>, with the Template:Sports links/doc, but for me it's quite difficult and I can't create it right, could you please help me with this ? Thank you very much <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250214160800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250214160800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250214160800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250210183300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250212190400-ColinFine-20250210181700"></span>Thank you very much for your help, I have already made several corrections, inserting more reliable citations as well. I know this, but in any case I wanted to say that even if several resources cited are links, but they are links to the official website of the Dakar Rally, where you can check the entry list of the participants, the results of the stages and the final classification of the race, I think that this is an irrefutable proof of the driver's participation in the race. I kindly ask you if you can continue to help me, as I have already said I am new as an editor</dd> <dd>Thank you again <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250212190400-ColinFine-20250210181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250212190400-ColinFine-20250210181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250212190400-ColinFine-20250210181700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20250210195300-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span>You have a few sentences/paragraphs without sources. In a biography, every piece of information needs to be sourced. I think you could probably slim down each section too, they're all quite wordy in prose. Try and be concise. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20250210195300-Phx-Racing-20250210175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20250210195300-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20250210195300-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20250210195400-Qcne-20250210195300"></span>(I've also filled in most of the bare references for you.) <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20250210195400-Qcne-20250210195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20250210195400-Qcne-20250210195300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20250210195400-Qcne-20250210195300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250210214800-Qcne-20250210195400"></span>Phx-Racing</a>, the infobox for your draft says that Gianni Lora Lamia was born in 1965 in the <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy" title="Kingdom of Italy">Kingdom of Italy</a> but that kingdom did not exist in 1965 because it was abolished by a vote of the Italian people in 1946. You need to do a much better job with accuracy. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250210214800-Qcne-20250210195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250210214800-Qcne-20250210195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250210214800-Qcne-20250210195400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250211201800-Cullen328-20250210214800"></span>Thank you very much for your precious help,I have fixed this error <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250211201800-Cullen328-20250210214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250211201800-Cullen328-20250210214800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250211201800-Cullen328-20250210214800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultraodan-20250211030800-Qcne-20250210195300"></span>These sources must be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. Whatever shows up as the first result on google (which you have referenced) is <b>not</b> a reliable source. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultraodan" title="User:Ultraodan">Ultraodan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultraodan" title="User talk:Ultraodan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ultraodan-20250211030800-Qcne-20250210195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultraodan-20250211030800-Qcne-20250210195300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultraodan-20250211030800-Qcne-20250210195300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250210222600-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span>Phx-Racing</a>, the section "Range Rover No Stop Record 1989" has no stops (periods, ".") until its very end. It would benefit from more stops. It mentions "the fearsome Sahara desert"; why is the reader being told that it's "fearsome"? ¶ That section isn't unusual. Consider this single sentence: <span style="color:olive">After only three stages he found himself 16th overall fighting for the top ten until halfway through the race where in the stage that reaches Niamey in Niger for the rest day, an electrical problem sent him far back in the general classification, after, the rest day the race is somewhat disturbed by terrorist threats and the organizers, anxious to ensure the safety of the competitors, decide following information received from the French Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defence, a huge airlift is taking place to transport hundreds of drivers and vehicles of the Dakar rally across the desert between Niamey and Sabha in Libya, after reports of a planned rebel attack.</span> And why is the reader told that an airlift of hundreds of drivers and vehicles is "huge"? ¶ Also, the photo captions are most puzzling: I don't know how to start to parse <span style="color:olive">Gianni Lora Lamia and Emilio Giletti Technical Cars Check Paris Dakar Cairo 2000 Paris Parc floral du bois de Vincennes</span>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250210222600-Phx-Racing-20250210175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250210222600-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250210222600-Phx-Racing-20250210175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250212185800-Hoary-20250210222600"></span>Thank you for you help, I have already made some corrections and shortened the descriptions trying to make them as short as possible, also regarding the photo captions, I ask you if you could please check every now and then and suggest me what could be the things to correct <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250212185800-Hoary-20250210222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250212185800-Hoary-20250210222600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250212185800-Hoary-20250210222600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250213084900-Phx-Racing-20250212185800"></span>Phx-Racing</a>, the most conspicuous photo is captioned "Gianni Lora Lamia Nissan Motorsport Team Dessoude at the 21st 1999 Granada–Dakar Rally". First, if I take this literally I infer that there were many Granada–Dakar rallies in 1999, and this was the 21st of them. As this would of course mean that Granada–Dakar rallies occurred more often than once a month (hard to believe), I guess that you instead mean "the 21st Granada–Dakar Rally (1999)". Secondly, "Gianni Lora Lamia Nissan Motorsport Team Dessoude" hardly conforms to the patterns of English noun phrases: the simplest fix would be to simplify it to "Gianni Lora Lamia" (deleting "Nissan Motorsport Team Dessoude"). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250213084900-Phx-Racing-20250212185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250213084900-Phx-Racing-20250212185800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250213084900-Phx-Racing-20250212185800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phx-Racing-20250216172100-Hoary-20250213084900"></span>Hello again,</dd> <dd>I have made several corrections, and added more reliable resources, would it be possible please, to have your opinion on this, and further help for further corrections or changes if necessary</dd> <dd>Thank you very much <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phx-Racing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phx-Racing (page does not exist)">Phx-Racing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phx-Racing" title="User talk:Phx-Racing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Phx-Racing-20250216172100-Hoary-20250213084900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phx-Racing-20250216172100-Hoary-20250213084900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phx-Racing-20250216172100-Hoary-20250213084900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IP/unregistered_editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-IP/unregistered_editing-20250211014100"><span id="IP.2Funregistered_editing"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IP/unregistered_editing-20250211014100"></span>IP/unregistered editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IP/unregistered_editing-20250211014100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iljhgtn-20250211014100-IP/unregistered_editing"></span>What official policies or guidelines guide IP/unregistered editor conduct and specifically govern how registered users are supposed to interact with such IP/unregistered editors? Is there any difference in terms of how their edits are to be viewed or interacted with? If, for example, an IP makes an edit that has no edit summary, could that be summarily reverted? Especially if the edit does not appear to be constructive? <a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iljhgtn" title="User talk:Iljhgtn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Iljhgtn-20250211014100-IP/unregistered_editing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iljhgtn-20250211014100-IP/unregistered_editing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iljhgtn-20250211014100-IP/unregistered_editing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultraodan-20250211031300-Iljhgtn-20250211014100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> and welcome to the Teahouse. Unregistered editors must be treated the same as those with an account. There are some restrictions on them such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOC">never getting autoconfirmed</a>. If an edit by anyone is unconstructive it can be reverted and then discussed (within edit warring policies) but a lack of an edit summary is not a reason for this. Since many IP editors are new to the project <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOBITING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOBITING">WP:NOBITING</a> would also apply. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultraodan" title="User:Ultraodan">Ultraodan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultraodan" title="User talk:Ultraodan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ultraodan-20250211031300-Iljhgtn-20250211014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultraodan-20250211031300-Iljhgtn-20250211014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultraodan-20250211031300-Iljhgtn-20250211014100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nebman227-20250211194900-Ultraodan-20250211031300"></span>How do IPs put edits places like on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Main_Page" title="Talk:Main Page">Talk: Main Page</a> then, which has protection yet also has comments from IPs? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nebman227&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nebman227 (page does not exist)">Nebman227</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nebman227" title="User talk:Nebman227">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nebman227-20250211194900-Ultraodan-20250211031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nebman227-20250211194900-Ultraodan-20250211031300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nebman227-20250211194900-Ultraodan-20250211031300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avocado-20250214173600-Nebman227-20250211194900"></span>What IP edits are you referring to on that talk page? I don't see any in the last 250 edits. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Avocado" title="User:Avocado">Avocado</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avocado" title="User talk:Avocado">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Avocado-20250214173600-Nebman227-20250211194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Avocado-20250214173600-Nebman227-20250211194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Avocado-20250214173600-Nebman227-20250211194900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215050300-Nebman227-20250211194900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nebman227&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nebman227 (page does not exist)">Nebman227</a>, They can make a request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFED">WP:RFED</a>. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e"><a href="/wiki/User:Cowboygilbert" title="User:Cowboygilbert"><span style="color:#3f6b39"><b>Cowboygilbert</b></span></a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cowboygilbert" title="User talk:Cowboygilbert"><span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cowboygilbert-20250215050300-Nebman227-20250211194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215050300-Nebman227-20250211194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215050300-Nebman227-20250211194900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft-20250211025400"><span id="Help_.26_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft-20250211025400"></span>Help & ask for suggestion of Reliable Source for my Draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft-20250211025400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"></span>Hello good morning from Indonesia. Basically I've registered for Wikipedia since 2015 but only contributed for several edits on several articles and just started my new article 2 days ago as a draft in English Wikipedia. I've created a draft for <a href="/wiki/Draft:Winston_Utomo" title="Draft:Winston Utomo">Draft:Winston Utomo</a> and just declined with reason <i>"This submission is not adequately supported by <b>"reliable sources</b>"</i>". Honestly I've got several references on the draft but maybe I'm not fully understanding yet which one more or the most reliable one (example, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.fortuneidn.com/tag/winston-utomo">https://www.fortuneidn.com/tag/winston-utomo</a> ). Can anyone here help and give me some advices? <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a>:</span> Since Utomo is still alive, the stricter standards of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons">WP:Biographies of living persons</a> applies, which means you need to have a cite for every claim the article makes. Putting a source at the end of the paragraph is not enough; it's more likely you will need one at the end of each <i>sentence</i>, and possibly some in the middle of sentences. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211025400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900"></span>Alright thank you, so I need to put the references (both I've added and the new one) in every sentences as possible as I can right, since I've created the article about living person?</dd> <dd>And will you help me for checking the draft after I do several edits based on your suggestion next? <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900-Jéské_Couriano-20250211025900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a>:</span> You'll want to cite the references (<a href="/wiki/Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_using_a_source_more_than_once" title="Help:Footnotes">Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once</a> is helpful here) at the claims they can directly support, yes. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000-Rachael_Adrino-20250211030900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000"></span>Thank you, I'll read & do my best for my first draft here. <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400-Jéské_Couriano-20250211031000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caleb_Stanford-20250211063300-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400"></span>Good luck, Rachael! <a href="/wiki/User:Caleb_Stanford" title="User:Caleb Stanford">Caleb Stanford</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caleb_Stanford" title="User talk:Caleb Stanford">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Caleb_Stanford-20250211063300-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caleb_Stanford-20250211063300-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caleb_Stanford-20250211063300-Rachael_Adrino-20250211032400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250211120700-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a>:</span> He may not be Wikipedia-notable, meaning that no amount of improving referencing will succeed. Documenting company funding does not contribute to a founder's notability, nor does documenting what are considered not Wikipedia-significant awards and honors. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250211120700-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250211120700-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250211120700-Help_&_ask_for_suggestion_of_Reliable_Source_for_my_Draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600-David_notMD-20250211120700"></span>Then what is the best solution regarding this? should it be maintained with the existing references or should it not be included in the article? Please provide me some advices. <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600-David_notMD-20250211120700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600-David_notMD-20250211120700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600-David_notMD-20250211120700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250211230900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600"></span>Which three or more references - English or other - meet the criteria of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>? The financial deals content and non-famous awards content can stay, but the draft has to have references that are at some length - not just name mention - about him. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250211230900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250211230900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250211230900-Rachael_Adrino-20250211152600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250212051500-David_notMD-20250211230900"></span>What about these sources: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.idntimes.com/news/indonesia/syifa-putri-naomi/inspiratif-kegigihan-winston-utomo-di-balik-kesuksesan-idn-media">https://www.idntimes.com/news/indonesia/syifa-putri-naomi/inspiratif-kegigihan-winston-utomo-di-balik-kesuksesan-idn-media</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://biz.kompas.com/read/2024/11/22/151520328/pendiri-idn-winston-dan-william-utomo-dinobatkan-sebagai-ey-eoy-2024">https://biz.kompas.com/read/2024/11/22/151520328/pendiri-idn-winston-dan-william-utomo-dinobatkan-sebagai-ey-eoy-2024</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://east.vc/id/berita/ev-dci-id/from-news-platform-to-a-complete-media-ecosystem-idn-medias-dream-of-democratizing-information/">https://east.vc/id/berita/ev-dci-id/from-news-platform-to-a-complete-media-ecosystem-idn-medias-dream-of-democratizing-information/</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>I think they were meet the requirements, but if they were not, please explain to me then wisely. <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250212051500-David_notMD-20250211230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250212051500-David_notMD-20250211230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250212051500-David_notMD-20250211230900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School-20250211135300"><span id="Request_for_Review_.E2.80.93_Draft:Taxila_Business_School"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School-20250211135300"></span>Request for Review – Draft:Taxila Business School<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School-20250211135300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jdesuza-20250211135300-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School"></span>I have drafted an article about <b>Taxila Business School</b> and submitted it, but it was declined. I have since made improvements based on the feedback and added reliable sources. </p><p>Could an experienced editor please review my draft and provide suggestions for further improvement? </p><p>Here’s the link: <b><a href="/wiki/Draft:Taxila_Business_School" title="Draft:Taxila Business School">Draft:Taxila Business School</a></b> </p><p>Any feedback or guidance would be greatly appreciated! </p><p>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Jdesuza" title="User:Jdesuza">Jdesuza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jdesuza" title="User talk:Jdesuza">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jdesuza-20250211135300-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jdesuza-20250211135300-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jdesuza-20250211135300-Request_for_Review_–_Draft:Taxila_Business_School"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20250211145700-Jdesuza-20250211135300"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Jdesuza" title="User:Jdesuza">Jdesuza</a>. Apart from the paragraph on the legal case, the article is merely telling run-of-the-mill information about the college - the sort of thing that would appear in its prospectus.</dd> <dd>That's not what a Wikipedia article should do. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small></dd> <dd>And even the legal case hardly seems significant. What is it about the school that meets Wikipedia's criteria for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSCHOOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSCHOOL">notability</a>? Unless you can answer that, there is no chance of the article's being accepted.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. (I see your account has been around for a couple of months, but you created this draft on your third edit, and most of your 52 edits have been to this draft). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20250211145700-Jdesuza-20250211135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20250211145700-Jdesuza-20250211135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20250211145700-Jdesuza-20250211135300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jdesuza-20250212085400-ColinFine-20250211145700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> Thank you for your detailed feedback and for taking the time to review my draft. I understand your concerns regarding the notability and sourcing of the article. I now realize that Wikipedia prioritizes significant independent coverage rather than promotional or routine information.</dd> <dd>I appreciate your guidance on improving my understanding of Wikipedia’s core policies before attempting to create an article. I will take a step back and focus on contributing to existing articles to familiarize myself with the principles of verifiability, neutrality, and reliable sourcing.</dd> <dd>Regarding the legal case, I see your point about assessing its significance carefully. I will also re-evaluate the sources used and work towards ensuring that any future edits are based on substantial, independent coverage.</dd> <dd>Thanks again for your constructive input. I’ll refine my approach and continue learning to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Jdesuza" title="User:Jdesuza">Jdesuza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jdesuza" title="User talk:Jdesuza">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jdesuza-20250212085400-ColinFine-20250211145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jdesuza-20250212085400-ColinFine-20250211145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jdesuza-20250212085400-ColinFine-20250211145700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000-Jdesuza-20250211135300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jdesuza" title="User:Jdesuza">Jdesuza</a> I took a brief look at the book citations #11 and #12, since I thought that if the school had been written about in books, that would be good evidence of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">wikinotability</a>. Apart from the fact that you haven't provided page numbers, which a full citation would do, I discovered that each book has less than a sentence about Taxila, which is hardly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a>. I therefore conclude that your draft is unlikely to pass muster. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000-Jdesuza-20250211135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000-Jdesuza-20250211135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000-Jdesuza-20250211135300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jdesuza-20250212085800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> Thank you for reviewing my draft and for your insights regarding the book citations. I understand that for Wikipedia, significant and in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources is essential for establishing notability.</dd> <dd>I appreciate your feedback on the citations and will work on improving them by providing full references, including page numbers. Additionally, I will re-evaluate the sources to ensure they meet Wikipedia’s standards for notability and provide substantial coverage of the subject.</dd> <dd>Your guidance is valuable as I refine my approach to editing on Wikipedia. If you have any further suggestions on strengthening the article’s sourcing, I would be grateful for your insights. <a href="/wiki/User:Jdesuza" title="User:Jdesuza">Jdesuza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jdesuza" title="User talk:Jdesuza">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jdesuza-20250212085800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jdesuza-20250212085800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jdesuza-20250212085800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250211150000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212115500-Jdesuza-20250212085800"></span>Not a comment on sourcing but please do not use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">large language models</a> to create articles or talk page comments. We want to interact with people, not AI. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212115500-Jdesuza-20250212085800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212115500-Jdesuza-20250212085800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212115500-Jdesuza-20250212085800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Finiteness" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Finiteness-20250211164400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Finiteness-20250211164400"></span>Draft:Finiteness<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Finiteness-20250211164400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevincook13-20250211164400-Draft:Finiteness"></span>Hi, I am working on Draft:Finiteness, and was recently informed by a reviewer that the article is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The reason I started working on the article is because two other editors suggested that it might be a good idea, on the <a href="/wiki/Finite" class="mw-disambig" title="Finite">Finite</a> talk page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kevincook13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kevincook13 (page does not exist)">Kevincook13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevincook13" title="User talk:Kevincook13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kevincook13-20250211164400-Draft:Finiteness" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevincook13-20250211164400-Draft:Finiteness"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevincook13-20250211164400-Draft:Finiteness"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250211231600-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span>IT may be a good idea, but not what you have created, now declined several times and then rejected. I recommend you ask that the draft be deleted by putting Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250211231600-Kevincook13-20250211164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250211231600-Kevincook13-20250211164400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250211231600-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kevincook13-20250212151000-David_notMD-20250211231600"></span>You also agree that it may be a good idea to have a finiteness article. If it is sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia, I request that the rejection be withdrawn. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kevincook13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kevincook13 (page does not exist)">Kevincook13</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kevincook13" title="User talk:Kevincook13">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kevincook13-20250212151000-David_notMD-20250211231600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kevincook13-20250212151000-David_notMD-20250211231600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kevincook13-20250212151000-David_notMD-20250211231600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kevincook13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kevincook13 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250213112700-Kevincook13-20250212151000"></span>Kevincook13</a> I did not mean to convey that I personally thought it was a good idea. Given the Rejection, your path going forward is to ask that the current draft be deleted, and start over. Having written that, the editor who rejected it has provided lengthy comments on why it was rejected. Please do not try again unnless you can address all the shortfalls of your draft. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250213112700-Kevincook13-20250212151000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250213112700-Kevincook13-20250212151000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250213112700-Kevincook13-20250212151000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213114700-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span>That rejection is ridiculous, and it is possible for an article to be written. However it probably does need to start again from scratch. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213114700-Kevincook13-20250211164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213114700-Kevincook13-20250211164400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213114700-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250214173500-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span>The main problem you're running into is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDICT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDICT">Wikipedia is not a dictionary</a> -- Wikipedia is supposed to be about specific concepts/things, not words. What you've done at the <a href="/wiki/Draft:Finiteness" title="Draft:Finiteness">Draft:Finiteness</a> page is describe a bunch of different meanings of finiteness (how human life is finite; how numbers are finite; how races are finite) without really talking much about the concept of finiteness. You probably need to choose a specific concept of finiteness (i.e. finiteness in math) and talk about that. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mrfoogles-20250214173500-Kevincook13-20250211164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250214173500-Kevincook13-20250211164400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250214173500-Kevincook13-20250211164400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_remake_wordmarks?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?-20250211185300"><span id="Can_you_remake_wordmarks.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?-20250211185300"></span>Can you remake wordmarks?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?-20250211185300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theadventurer64-20250211185300-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?"></span>Hey there! I was working on adding logos for the article <a href="/wiki/Pahoa_High_and_Intermediate_School" title="Pahoa High and Intermediate School">Pahoa High School</a> and I found that there were two logos: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/imgres?q=pahoa%20high%20logo&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pahoahis.org%2Fpics%2FPAHHIS_LOGO.gif&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pahoahis.org%2Fapps%2Fpages%2Findex.jsp%3FuREC_ID%3D2853703%26type%3Dd%26pREC_ID%3D2336026&docid=iSdTtcnZ9ernoM&tbnid=b9_umed3kBL3IM&vet=12ahUKEwiE9bfApLyLAxUzIDQIHQbjE9wQM3oECH0QAA..i&w=560&h=400&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwiE9bfApLyLAxUzIDQIHQbjE9wQM3oECH0QAA">one with words on the side of the logo</a> and one <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/imgres?q=pahoa%20high%20logo&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pahoahis.org%2Fpics%2Fheader_logo.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pahoahis.org%2F&docid=rdl0Gj58XWG73M&tbnid=FfAgceHPRUeQCM&vet=12ahUKEwiE9bfApLyLAxUzIDQIHQbjE9wQM3oECBgQAA..i&w=290&h=292&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwiE9bfApLyLAxUzIDQIHQbjE9wQM3oECBgQAA">without words completely</a>. Because most places seem to use the one without words, I was wondering if I could use a logo without words for the main image and a <a href="/wiki/Wordmark" title="Wordmark">wordmark</a> for the words on the side of the logo, <a href="/wiki/Saint_Anselm_College" title="Saint Anselm College">similar to how universities work</a>. However, when Googled, I cannot find any official wordmark, but only the logo with the words on the side, linked above. In this case, would a custom wordmark be able to be created for the article, or should it be omitted completely? </p><p>To create the custom wordmark, I would either just crop out the logo (if that's allowed) or find the custom font used by the school, and use an editor to rewrite the words under Free Use. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theadventurer64&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theadventurer64 (page does not exist)">Theadventurer64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theadventurer64" title="User talk:Theadventurer64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theadventurer64-20250211185300-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theadventurer64-20250211185300-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theadventurer64-20250211185300-Can_you_remake_wordmarks?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250211205700-Theadventurer64-20250211185300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theadventurer64&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theadventurer64 (page does not exist)">Theadventurer64</a> I see newsletters used the old logo bug 'P' by itself up until 2022. The new logo is listed as just the 'P' on the athletic store ordering site. There are a lot of versions that have different fonts for the text of the school name. Not sure any one of them could be called the official logo. If the organization uses that format on its web site, you might screen grab it from there. Definitely don't try to reproduce the logo and pass it off as official.</dd> <dd>[ Not an expert, but familiar with the specification process. As a designer in a former life, if the logotype is specified, then it's part of the logo. If it's not spec'd, then there is no logotype. Sadly, this means that every project will add their own interpretaion of a font and layout because there isn't a spec. That's my 2 cents. I've worked from spec identity manuals from organizations as large as MetLife with Snoopy graphics, Pacific Bell, Salvation Army, and contributed to and created corporate identity myself. ] <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250211205700-Theadventurer64-20250211185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250211205700-Theadventurer64-20250211185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250211205700-Theadventurer64-20250211185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theadventurer64-20250211210900-Just_Al-20250211205700"></span>Much appreciated, thank you for the advice! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theadventurer64&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theadventurer64 (page does not exist)">Theadventurer64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theadventurer64" title="User talk:Theadventurer64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theadventurer64-20250211210900-Just_Al-20250211205700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theadventurer64-20250211210900-Just_Al-20250211205700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theadventurer64-20250211210900-Just_Al-20250211205700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi,_can_you_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi,_can_you_help-20250211185700"><span id="Hi.2C_can_you_help"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi,_can_you_help-20250211185700"></span>Hi, can you help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi,_can_you_help-20250211185700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700-Hi,_can_you_help"></span>I need help making a wiki page for Comic Studio<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://comic.studio">[1]</a> </p><p>Pls help... <a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_Fan49346824908" title="User:Wiki Fan49346824908">Wiki Fan49346824908</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiki_Fan49346824908" title="User talk:Wiki Fan49346824908">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700-Hi,_can_you_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700-Hi,_can_you_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700-Hi,_can_you_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_Fan49346824908" title="User:Wiki Fan49346824908"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250211225900-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"></span>Wiki Fan49346824908</a>, it doesn't look as if you've started. Before you start, please read <a href="/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article</a> and think hard about what it says. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250211225900-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250211225900-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250211225900-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250211231700-Hoary-20250211225900"></span>Teahouse Hosts are here to advise on specific queries, not co-author. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250211231700-Hoary-20250211225900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250211231700-Hoary-20250211225900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250211231700-Hoary-20250211225900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nedia020415-20250212010200-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Wiki_Fan49346824908" title="User:Wiki Fan49346824908">Wiki Fan49346824908</a>. Read <a href="/wiki/Help:Your_first_article" title="Help:Your first article">Help:Your first article.</a> And submit thru <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard" title="Wikipedia:Article wizard">Article wizard</a>. Thank you and welcome to Wikipedia! <i><span style="background-color:yellow; color:Purple;"><a href="/wiki/User:Nedia020415" title="User:Nedia020415">Nedia</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nedia020415" title="User talk:Nedia020415">Wanna talk?</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nedia020415" title="Special:Contributions/Nedia020415">Stalk my edits</a></span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nedia020415-20250212010200-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nedia020415-20250212010200-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nedia020415-20250212010200-Wiki_Fan49346824908-20250211185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20250212151600-Nedia020415-20250212010200"></span>That doesn't look to me like it would be a notable enough website to warrant an article. I wouldn't put time into it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User:DandelionAndBurdock">D'n'B</a>-<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock" title="User talk:DandelionAndBurdock">📞</a></i> -- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DandelionAndBurdock-20250212151600-Nedia020415-20250212010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20250212151600-Nedia020415-20250212010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandelionAndBurdock-20250212151600-Nedia020415-20250212010200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standards" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard-20250211231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard-20250211231000"></span>Request for Guidance: Improving Terren Peizer Article to Meet Wikipedia Standards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard-20250211231000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard"></span>Dear Wikipedia Editors, I am reaching out to seek guidance on how to improve my contributions to the Terren Peizer article so that they align with Wikipedia’s standards. My previous edits were removed due to concerns regarding copyright violations, close paraphrasing, and non-compliance with Wikipedia’s policies. I sincerely appreciate the time and effort that Wikipedia editors dedicate to maintaining the integrity of articles, and I want to ensure that my contributions are compliant, neutral, and verifiable. Understanding and Addressing the Issues I have carefully reviewed Wikipedia’s guidelines on: ✅ Neutral Point of View (NPOV) – Ensuring the content is fact-based and free of promotional language. ✅ Verifiability (V) – Only including information that is backed by reliable, third-party sources. ✅ Copyright and Plagiarism Policies – Avoiding direct copying or close paraphrasing from external sources. ✅ Proper Citations – Formatting sources using inline citations with <ref> tags and Wikipedia’s <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}</code> and <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_press_release" title="Template:Cite press release">cite press release</a>}}</code> templates. To address these concerns, I have completely rewritten the content using original wording while maintaining factual accuracy. I have also removed self-published sources and replaced them with independent, authoritative references such as SEC filings, DOJ reports, and reputable news organizations. Request for Advice Before resubmitting my edits, I would greatly appreciate any guidance on the following: Does the new version meet Wikipedia’s standards? If not, what additional improvements are needed? Are there any specific formatting or structuring issues that need to be addressed before submitting? Would it be better to add information in smaller sections first (e.g., starting with "Early Life and Education") rather than submitting all at once? My goal is to ensure that Terren Peizer’s Wikipedia article remains accurate, well-sourced, and aligned with Wikipedia’s editorial guidelines. I genuinely value your expertise and would appreciate any feedback on how to properly contribute without causing issues. Thank you for your time and assistance! I look forward to your guidance. Best regards, Wikipedia Username: Jameschurch001000 <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000-Request_for_Guidance:_Improving_Terren_Peizer_Article_to_Meet_Wikipedia_Standard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a>:</span> We do not entertain requests made via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">chatbot</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500"></span>I am not a bot. Can you help <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300-Jéské_Couriano-20250211231500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250211233700-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Terren_Peizer" title="Terren Peizer">Terren Peizer</a> I reverted your most recent contribution because it included bolding of scores of words. The only content that should be bold is the first use of his name. You may have meant to Wikilink, which is done with double brackets [[ ]]. You added a section titled "Business Leadership and Investments" with no references, that to some degree repeated existing content. Try again, and in smaller chunks, so that all is not reverted when some is not correct. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250211233700-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250211233700-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250211233700-Jameschurch001000-20250211232300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003000-David_notMD-20250211233700"></span>You're the first person on here that makes sense and actually helped. I'll try again. <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003000-David_notMD-20250211233700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003000-David_notMD-20250211233700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003000-David_notMD-20250211233700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250211234700-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> Looking at the edit history on this article, I'm wondering, why do your edits repeatedly delete or de-emphasize the criminal charges and sentencing in the lead? It seems like you're deleting the references to crime, and burying the changes with a volume of other edits as a distraction. Do you have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest">WP:conflict of interest</a> here? Are you being compensated for these edits? <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250211234700-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250211234700-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250211234700-Jameschurch001000-20250211231000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250212000600-Just_Al-20250211234700"></span>Added sources from AP News and the Justice Department. Hopefully, that will end the questionable justifications for the deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250212000600-Just_Al-20250211234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250212000600-Just_Al-20250211234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250212000600-Just_Al-20250211234700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250212000800-Just_Al-20250212000600"></span>You have been asked here and elsewhere if you have a COI. Please reply before doing any more editing. If yes, you are restricted to proposing changes at the Talk page of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250212000800-Just_Al-20250212000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250212000800-Just_Al-20250212000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250212000800-Just_Al-20250212000600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400-Just_Al-20250211234700"></span>I don't delete any information. I just add. It that a problem. NO COI. However the fact that I can't add data make me think that the user Tacyary is being paid to keep the current data and not allowing other to add. Thoughts <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400-Just_Al-20250211234700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400-Just_Al-20250211234700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400-Just_Al-20250211234700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250212005400-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400"></span>Jameschurch001000</a>, when we look at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terren_Peizer&diff=1275253327&oldid=1275252395">this edit of yours</a>, the summary you provided for it, and your description (immediately above) of your edits, what should we infer? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250212005400-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250212005400-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250212005400-Jameschurch001000-20250212003400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250212035800-Hoary-20250212005400"></span>Several experienced editors have reverted the list-of-companes content you have added. Take that as a sign that there is a problem with what you want to add. If you insist, post your proposed changes on the Talk page and seek consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250212035800-Hoary-20250212005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250212035800-Hoary-20250212005400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250212035800-Hoary-20250212005400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500-David_notMD-20250212035800"></span>Are you all employees of Wikimedia???? <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500-David_notMD-20250212035800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500-David_notMD-20250212035800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500-David_notMD-20250212035800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500"></span>No. Please do not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Casting_aspersions" title="Wikipedia:Casting aspersions">cast aspersions</a>. Employees of Wikimedia who edit in their capacity as employees do so with usernames including the text "(WMF)". <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200-Jameschurch001000-20250212181500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200"></span>Can you help? Or Not <a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jameschurch001000" title="User talk:Jameschurch001000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250212183200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250213045700-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a>:</span> Wikipedia is a collaborative project whose participants are all <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER">WP:VOLUNTEERs</a>. Some employees of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) may also be participants, but their status doesn't give them any special privileges; they are expected to edit in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like everyone else. Wikipedia wants us to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> in trying to improve articles, but in cases where others feel we've been too bold, they can try to improve on what we've started or simply just undo it altogether. Unless what they're doing is something that's clearly contrary to some relevant policy/guideline (usually this is mentioned in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ES">edit summary</a>), it's advisable to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">assume good faith</a> and try to resolve any disagreements in accordance <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISPUTERESOLUTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISPUTERESOLUTION">WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>So, if you made a change to <a href="/wiki/Terren_Peizer" title="Terren Peizer">Terren Peizer</a> that was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVERT">WP:REVERTed</a> by another, particularly more than once by different editors, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a> falls upon you to seek a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a> for the change on the article's talk page. If you're able to convince others that making the change <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HERE">is in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines</a>, this shouldn't too hard to do. You don't need to convince everyone, just enough so that a consensus to make the change is established. If, on the other hand, you try to justify the change <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">for reasons not really related to Wikipedia</a>, you'll find convincing others to be difficult and the change is unlikely to be made. For reference, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING">WP:NOTEVERYTHING</a> that can be reliable sourced about a subject warrants inclusion in an article; it's often the case where what's included is a matter of editorial discretion, and this can be subjective; this is why consensus-building through discussion is important when they're are disagreements over what to leave in and what to leave out.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Anyway, the best place for you to discuss all of these things is at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Terren_Peizer" title="Talk:Terren Peizer">Talk:Terren Peizer</a> because that's were those interested in the subject matter are likely to be found. It's also where any record of such discussion should be kept for future reference. Most people should be more than happy to answer your questions in more detail as long as they are questions about how to make the concerned article better in terms of relevant policies and guidelines, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFORUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFORUM">not just random musings about Peizer in general</a>.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> Finally, please keep in mind that when dealing with articles or article content about living people, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons">Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons</a> (BLP) is the primary policy that is applied, and it applies to content about all living people (not just those mentioned in a article) and all Wikipedia pages (not just articles). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250213045700-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250213045700-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250213045700-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nedia020415-20250216190300-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"></span>Hello,@<a href="/wiki/User:Jameschurch001000" title="User:Jameschurch001000">Jameschurch001000</a>. We cannot help you, if you can't follow Wikimedia's terms of service. Please put that you have a COI in your userpage. And, if you do not have a COI, do not remove information from articles. Such as in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terren_Peizer&oldid=1275253327">here</a>. <i><span style="background-color:yellow; color:Purple;"><a href="/wiki/User:Nedia020415" title="User:Nedia020415">Nedia</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nedia020415" title="User talk:Nedia020415">Wanna talk?</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nedia020415" title="Special:Contributions/Nedia020415">Stalk my edits</a></span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nedia020415-20250216190300-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nedia020415-20250216190300-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nedia020415-20250216190300-Jameschurch001000-20250213002600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational" data-mw-thread-id="h-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational-20250211231700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational-20250211231700"></span>Image backed-out for not having a valid free use rational<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational-20250211231700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CherryDolphin-20250211231700-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational"></span>Hello, </p><p>Please can I ask a question about a small problem I have run into. </p><p>I was doing some updates to the Bridgwater_United_W.F.C. article, because it is somewhat out of date. I noticed that the Bridgwater_United_F.C. used the club Crest of a Robin, so I copied that from the men's team page, to the women's team page, which seemed harmless enough. </p><p>However, the logo has been backed-out by a bot for not having a valid free use rational. I have spent a long time reading about this, but have ended up feeling somewhat overwhelmed by the information I have read and not any further forward in what to do about this problem. </p><p>It really is not urgent and not the end of the world if it were not added, but it is the first time I have come across this problem since joining wikipedia. </p><p>Have you come across this before and can you help offer some pointers as to what I need to do to re-add it please? It may help if I run into this problem again. </p><p>Many Thank <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)">CherryDolphin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CherryDolphin" title="User talk:CherryDolphin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CherryDolphin-20250211231700-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CherryDolphin-20250211231700-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CherryDolphin-20250211231700-Image_backed-out_for_not_having_a_valid_free_use_rational"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tarlby-20250211233000-CherryDolphin-20250211231700"></span>Hello @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)">CherryDolphin</a>. I assume you've read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FUR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FUR">WP:FUR</a> already, so I won't go too deep into explaining how to use fair use images. But basically, the bot reverted your edit because you didn't create a second fair use rationale for the new article you added the image to. Fair use rationales are used for <i>each page the image is used for</i>, not just the image itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Tarlby" title="User:Tarlby"><span style="background-color:black;color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;"><i>Tarlby</i></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tarlby" title="User talk:Tarlby"><i>t</i></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tarlby" title="Special:Contributions/Tarlby"><i>c</i></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tarlby-20250211233000-CherryDolphin-20250211231700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tarlby-20250211233000-CherryDolphin-20250211231700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tarlby-20250211233000-CherryDolphin-20250211231700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CherryDolphin-20250211234600-Tarlby-20250211233000"></span>Hi @Tarlby Thanks for the reply.</dd> <dd>I had read that, but still was not clear on how to create the fair use rational or where exactly to add it to? Is it added into the page, or the image? I cannot see a fair use rational on the Bridgwater_United_F.C. page that I copied the image from, where did they add it? Is there a simple example of someone else doing what I need to do that I could copy? Apologies if these are stupid questions. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)">CherryDolphin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CherryDolphin" title="User talk:CherryDolphin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CherryDolphin-20250211234600-Tarlby-20250211233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CherryDolphin-20250211234600-Tarlby-20250211233000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CherryDolphin-20250211234600-Tarlby-20250211233000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250212001900-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"></span>CherryDolphin</a>, please see the "Summary" within <a href="/wiki/File:Bridgwater_Town_FC_logo.png" title="File:Bridgwater Town FC logo.png">File:Bridgwater Town FC logo.png</a>. You'll see the existing fair-use rationale ("FUR") there. You can copy the FUR, paste a copy of it, edit this copy where appropriate, and save the result. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250212001900-CherryDolphin-20250211234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250212001900-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250212001900-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250213015000-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)">CherryDolphin</a>:</span> You should make sure that the logo used by the men's team is clearly the same primary logo being used by the women's team; don't just add the logo to the women's team's article because it looks nice or because it's used by the men't team. Many women's teams have their own seperate branding from their men's team counterparts and you should used the logo the women team uses for their branding. In addition, in previous discussions about this type of non-free use, they're have been many arguments made stating that [such logos should only be used in the article of parent entities of sports organizations/teams and not necessarily in articles about child entities of such organizations/teams (see item 17 of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFC#UUI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFC">WP:NFC#UUI</a> for more details). Wikipedia's non-free content use policy tells us to minimize are use of non-free content as much as possible because even a single use is considered quite the exception to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPY#Guidelines_for_images_and_other_media_files" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPY">WP:COPY#Guidelines for images and other media files</a>; this means addition uses of the same file (even in different articles) can be much harder to justify, and a consensus has emerged over the years that such additional uses aren't automatically compliant and that no image at all is an acceptable alternative. So, logos used for women's teams, youth teams, B-teams, minor-league teams, reserve teams, etc. should be as team-specific as possible and not necessarily be the same logo as the parent club, which in many cases is the men's team. This might seem unfair in a sense, but it's the way Wikipedia's non-free content use has been applied for many years. Adding the missing rationale for the use in the women's team's article to the files page should stop the bot from removing the file again, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JUSTONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JUSTONE">someone could still challenge that particular non-free use of the file if they feel it's not policy compliant</a>. Finally, if <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://facebook.com/BridgwaterUtdW/">this</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://x.com/BridgwaterUtdW/status/1487816477969367041?mx=2">this</a> are the same <a href="/wiki/Bridgwater_United_W.F.C." title="Bridgwater United W.F.C.">Bridgwater United W.F.C.</a>, then it seems the women's team might indeed be branding itself differently from men's team; therefore, the branding specific to the women's team should be used instead of the branding for the men's team. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250213015000-CherryDolphin-20250211234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250213015000-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250213015000-CherryDolphin-20250211234600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CherryDolphin-20250213224400-Marchjuly-20250213015000"></span>Thank you @<a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:Tarlby" title="User:Tarlby">Tarlby</a></dd> <dd>It has been interesting to to learn more about the fair use of images.</dd> <dd>The twitter and facebook pages are indeed the correct ones for the team. I tried to find out more information about the branding, but could only find <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/2025/february/10/match-gallery--pictures-from-win-over-bridgwater-united/">this</a> Actually this was a match I attended in person and is what prompted me to do the updates to their page. It does confirm that the branding for the women's team may be different from the men's team, so I have decided it is best to not to add the club crest/image after all.</dd> <dd>The only change I have made is to remove some of their squad members who I know for certain now no longer play for them. (They now play for AFC Bournemouth Women). I have also sent an email to the contact address on the Bridgwater United website asking for an up to date teamsheet. I will do any other squad updates, if I hear back from them.</dd> <dd>Thanks again for your help. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CherryDolphin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CherryDolphin (page does not exist)">CherryDolphin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CherryDolphin" title="User talk:CherryDolphin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CherryDolphin-20250213224400-Marchjuly-20250213015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CherryDolphin-20250213224400-Marchjuly-20250213015000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CherryDolphin-20250213224400-Marchjuly-20250213015000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_automatically_archive_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_automatically_archive_sources-20250212075900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_automatically_archive_sources-20250212075900"></span>How to automatically archive sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_automatically_archive_sources-20250212075900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qby-20250212075900-How_to_automatically_archive_sources"></span>Hi! I'm working on pages of 2025 Asian Winter Games which will end in two days. I'm archiving sources from official website but I'm afraid that these information might disappear after the Games is over and that I might not have enough time to archive all these sources before they disappear. So I'm wondering how to automatically archive sources instead of archiving them mannually? <a href="/wiki/User:Qby" title="User:Qby">Qby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qby" title="User talk:Qby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qby-20250212075900-How_to_automatically_archive_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qby-20250212075900-How_to_automatically_archive_sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qby-20250212075900-How_to_automatically_archive_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250212143200-Qby-20250212075900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Qby" title="User:Qby">Qby</a>, I don't know if this is what you are looking for but check the <a href="/wiki/User:InternetArchiveBot" title="User:InternetArchiveBot">InternetArchiveBot</a>. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://iabot.wmcloud.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle">This</a> will let you run it on the specific page. Goodluck, <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CF-501_Falcon" title="Special:Contributions/CF-501 Falcon">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20250212143200-Qby-20250212075900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250212143200-Qby-20250212075900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250212143200-Qby-20250212075900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?-20250212193800"><span id="Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?-20250212193800"></span>Are non english sources considered unreliable?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?-20250212193800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250212193800-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?"></span>And if yes - isnt this a bit discriminatory - i wrote an article about a bulgarian event, providing bulggarian media sources, that happen to be well respected and long standing, but gor the generic "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources". So, can i rely on someone that has a bit of knowledge aboutthe media landscape in bulgaria give a review or is it too much to ask? <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250212193800-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250212193800-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250212193800-Are_non_english_sources_considered_unreliable?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250212194700-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> I'm not sure that I'd infer that the sources were unreliable. It's possible there were only passing mentions, not significant coverage. I don't know the particulars, just looking at the message you said was used. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250212194700-Dontoblerone-20250212193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250212194700-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250212194700-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250212195300-Just_Al-20250212194700"></span>Well they were all articles dedicated exclusively on the subject, so definitely not a passing mention. <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250212195300-Just_Al-20250212194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250212195300-Just_Al-20250212194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250212195300-Just_Al-20250212194700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a>No, you can not rely on that, since people knowledgeable on Bulgaria are probably pretty few on en-WP. That said, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOENG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOENG">WP:NOENG</a>, Bulgarian <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> can be used here. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000-Dontoblerone-20250212193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250212200400-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000"></span>Dontoblerone</a>, sources in other languages are just fine, as long as they are reliable. In order to establish notability, the sources must also be <i>independent</i> of the topic and devote significant coverage to the topic. When I use Google Translate, your sources show all the telltale signs of being generated by press releases or other promotional activity by the film festival organizers, and therefore not independent. That is the problem as I see it, not that they are in Bulgarian. A secondary factor is that your references lack full bibliographic details such as the name of the publication, the author, the date of publication and the original title in Bulgarian. This information is useful both to readers and reviewers, and omitting it makes volunteer reviewers less willing to evaluate your draft because those references just look sketchy. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250212200400-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250212200400-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250212200400-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250212195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135900-Cullen328-20250212200400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a></dd> <dd>They are different media - 2 different newspapers, a radio and online site, i can not tell if it's press release or not, but the text is different each time, still for me independent means not directly connected to the subject of the article, i have no idea how they are writtem.</dd> <dd>For me it's a discriminatory treatment in the sense that most articles have the same or less refrences, you may not be willing to adimit it or it can be subconscious for you, but it's pretty clear.</dd> <dd>anyway, good job wikipedia, stay anglocentric. <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213135900-Cullen328-20250212200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135900-Cullen328-20250212200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135900-Cullen328-20250212200400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dege31-20250212232400-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span>No, your <a href="/wiki/Draft:It%27s_Alive!_Horror_Film_Festival" title="Draft:It's Alive! Horror Film Festival">draft</a> was not rejected because the sources are not in English, but because they're mostly routine coverage in the form of announcements of a schedule, and a program. <a href="/wiki/User:Dege31" title="User:Dege31">Dege31</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dege31" title="User talk:Dege31">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dege31-20250212232400-Dontoblerone-20250212193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dege31-20250212232400-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dege31-20250212232400-Dontoblerone-20250212193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135500-Dege31-20250212232400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dege31" title="User:Dege31">Dege31</a>, so what type of newsmaterial is needed for a festival event? they happen and people publish news about their schedule, aim and so on. I mean, i just checked several other festival pages and they have the same or less sources, but apparently there is not a problem. For me it's clearly a form of discriminatory treatment. of course i cant tell if it's based on language/region but it's my best guess.</dd> <dd>just a small example - <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lund_International_Fantastic_Film_Festival">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lund_International_Fantastic_Film_Festival</a></dd> <dd>1 source - the site of the festival</dd> <dd>2 references - aggain the site of the festival -</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haapsalu_Horror_and_Fantasy_Film_Festival">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haapsalu_Horror_and_Fantasy_Film_Festival</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213135500-Dege31-20250212232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135500-Dege31-20250212232400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213135500-Dege31-20250212232400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250213170800-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span>Dontoblerone</a>, that article you linked to is tagged at the very beginning as having obvious problems with sourcing. I hope that your goal is to write a problem free article, not one tagged for obvious problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250213170800-Dontoblerone-20250213135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250213170800-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250213170800-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213171500-Cullen328-20250213170800"></span>Thanks for the answer.</dd> <dd>My goal is to comply with the rules, but as the rules sometimes are not clear i try to interpret them by checking what is allowed on wikipedia in similar situations. <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213171500-Cullen328-20250213170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213171500-Cullen328-20250213170800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213171500-Cullen328-20250213170800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250213175400-Dontoblerone-20250213171500"></span>Dontoblerone</a>, English Wikipedia currently has 6,953,786 articles of vastly different quality. When you talk about what is "allowed" you are implying that all of those articles have gone through the type of scrutiny and assistance that Articles for Creation and the Teahouse offer. That is not true. As for <a href="/wiki/Lund_International_Fantastic_Film_Festival" title="Lund International Fantastic Film Festival">Lund International Fantastic Film Festival</a>, that article was written in 2012 when standards were much lower. The editor who created it had only six edits in total and did not submit it to Articles for Creation. The Teahouse was only a month old and just getting started. Back then, editors were allowed to create new articles immediately. Scrutiny of new articles was much lower. That editor just wrote the new article in the main space of the encyclopedia with their very first edit, made a handful of other edits, and then disappeared. Wikipedia gets tens of billions of page views each month, and that article gets 40 to 100 views a month. Please be aware that hundreds of poorly written articles get deleted every day, and your goal should be to write a much better article than that because both search engines and readers prefer Wikipedia articles that are not tagged for quality problems. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250213175400-Dontoblerone-20250213171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250213175400-Dontoblerone-20250213171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250213175400-Dontoblerone-20250213171500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20250213140600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span>Could someone perhaps share the sources in question? Because, backing up what others have said, no, sources do not have to be in English but, yes, the non-English sources must be reliable and must establish notability per the appropriate guidelines. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Simonm223-20250213140600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20250213140600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20250213140600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213173100-Simonm223-20250213140600"></span>The sources are</dd> <dd>1) this article in "Capital" newspaper - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.capital.bg/light/neshta/2023/10/30/4543082_purvi_bulgarski_horur_festival/">https://www.capital.bg/light/neshta/2023/10/30/4543082_purvi_bulgarski_horur_festival/</a></dd> <dd>It's pretty long - it includes short history of bulgarian horror cinema and then presents the festival that article is about. the paper itself is 33 years old and there is a wiki article about it.</dd> <dd>2) this article in "Sega" newspaper - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.segabg.com/category-culture/bulgariya-veche-ima-svoy-festival-na-uzhasite">https://www.segabg.com/category-culture/bulgariya-veche-ima-svoy-festival-na-uzhasite</a></dd> <dd>describing the second edition of the festival. this newspaper is 27 years old one of the more respectable ones in the country and there are wiki articles about in 3 languages, not in english for some reason, maybe i can try and write one, but should i bother?</dd> <dd>3) this discussion about the festival on the bigest non state owned radio in bulgaria - darik</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://darik.bg/kakvo-da-ochakvame-ot-festivala-posveten-na-horar-filmite">https://darik.bg/kakvo-da-ochakvame-ot-festivala-posveten-na-horar-filmite</a></dd> <dd>4) two articles in bulgarian cinema specific sites - operationkino.net and kinobox-bg.com. one of the editors argued that they are blogs, i dont know how that to tell what is what, but they have section with description and editors board.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://kinobox-bg.com/final-na-vtoroto-izdanie-na-its-alive-horror-film-festival/">https://kinobox-bg.com/final-na-vtoroto-izdanie-na-its-alive-horror-film-festival/</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213173100-Simonm223-20250213140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213173100-Simonm223-20250213140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213173100-Simonm223-20250213140600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosguill-20250213190700-Dontoblerone-20250213173100"></span>The Sega coverage looks solid; based on your description, the Capital coverage also helps build a case for meeting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> (although most of the relevant content appears to be behind a paywall, and one that is easily mistaken for being the end of the page if you're not expecting it and not fluent in Bulgarian, so I don't blame a reviewer much for missing it). Audio sources, while not strictly forbidden per se, are much less useful than text sources for verification purposes, as even when one is fluent with the language they're hard to search for specific information (and they're essentially impossible for a non-fluent editor to access). The Kinobox source, however, is not useful, as they say themselves <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Организаторите изказват благодарност на всички свои съмишленици и партньори, включително...на KinoBox България за незаменимото медийно партньорство</q>--this is not an independent source. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rosguill-20250213190700-Dontoblerone-20250213173100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20250213190700-Dontoblerone-20250213173100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20250213190700-Dontoblerone-20250213173100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dege31-20250213143600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span>This is "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#Individual_merit" title="Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions">other stuff exists</a>". <a href="/wiki/User:Dege31" title="User:Dege31">Dege31</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dege31" title="User talk:Dege31">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dege31-20250213143600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dege31-20250213143600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dege31-20250213143600-Dontoblerone-20250213135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213174000-Dege31-20250213143600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dege31" title="User:Dege31">Dege31</a> do you read the links that you post? to quote "Sometimes arguments are made that other articles have been put forward for AfD and survived/deleted, these may be effective arguments". So it's case by case.</dd> <dd>I find your answers condescendening and a bit biased. Can it be because you are from the other part of the balkans? <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213174000-Dege31-20250213143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213174000-Dege31-20250213143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213174000-Dege31-20250213143600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20250213175900-Dontoblerone-20250213174000"></span>Please avoid personalizing content disputes. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Simonm223-20250213175900-Dontoblerone-20250213174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20250213175900-Dontoblerone-20250213174000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20250213175900-Dontoblerone-20250213174000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250213180100-Simonm223-20250213175900"></span>Dontoblerone</a>, ethnonationalist personal attacks are not allowed on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">Assume good faith</a> is an important behavioral guideline. Be very cautious. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250213180100-Simonm223-20250213175900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250213180100-Simonm223-20250213175900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250213180100-Simonm223-20250213175900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213181900-Cullen328-20250213180100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a></dd> <dd>i agree entirely - the ethnicity of someone should not be used as a measure of judgement for the merit of an aricle. That's my case here - i am asking if something is deemed important or not important based on the country of origin. <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213181900-Cullen328-20250213180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213181900-Cullen328-20250213180100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213181900-Cullen328-20250213180100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250213184800-Dontoblerone-20250213181900"></span>Dontoblerone</a>, it is clear that it is easier for English Wikipedia editors to write about topics well-covered by English language sources than sources in other languages, and that the problem is exacerbated when a language such as Bulgarian has only about 8 million speakers. But if you are implying that Wikipedia as a whole is biased in favor of Estonian and Swedish topics and biased against Bulgarian topics, then I think that is a dubious notion presented without evidence. <a href="/wiki/Bulgaria" title="Bulgaria">Bulgaria</a>, after all, is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">Featured article</a> of very high quality that has gone through a comprehensive peer review and summarizes nearly 400 reliable sources. We also have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bulgaria" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulgaria">Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulgaria</a> where dozens of editors work to improve articles on Bulgarian topics. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250213184800-Dontoblerone-20250213181900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250213184800-Dontoblerone-20250213181900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250213184800-Dontoblerone-20250213181900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213185400-Cullen328-20250213184800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a></dd> <dd>Thanks for the reply. btw i picked a random article about another festival, actually 2 articles - one swedish and one estonian, just as an illustration of the different standards used, but you have covered that, so thank you again. it could have been other articles, because there are tens of them. I decided to create an article following the guidances on the site, but apparently i'm failing. <a href="/wiki/User:Dontoblerone" title="User:Dontoblerone">Dontoblerone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dontoblerone" title="User talk:Dontoblerone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dontoblerone-20250213185400-Cullen328-20250213184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dontoblerone-20250213185400-Cullen328-20250213184800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dontoblerone-20250213185400-Cullen328-20250213184800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20250213190500-Dontoblerone-20250213185400"></span>OK but let's summarize the advice you've received: <ul><li>The newspaper sources are likely reliable.</li> <li>En-Wp does not express any prejudice against non-English sources.</li> <li>Go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS/N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS/N">WP:RS/N</a> to determine if the "maybe blogs" count as SPS.</li> <li>Don't engage in nationalist off-topic arguments.</li></ul></dd> <dd>You actually *are* getting what you hoped to get; we're just asking you to be nice too. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Simonm223-20250213190500-Dontoblerone-20250213185400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20250213190500-Dontoblerone-20250213185400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20250213190500-Dontoblerone-20250213185400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simonm223-20250213175800-Dege31-20250213143600"></span>For the cinema website question I'd suggest opening a question about their reliability in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS/N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS/N">WP:RS/N</a>. The first two sources look like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Simonm223" title="User:Simonm223">Simonm223</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Simonm223" title="User talk:Simonm223">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Simonm223-20250213175800-Dege31-20250213143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simonm223-20250213175800-Dege31-20250213143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simonm223-20250213175800-Dege31-20250213143600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_good_faith_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_good_faith_edits-20250212231400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_good_faith_edits-20250212231400"></span>Question about good faith edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_good_faith_edits-20250212231400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250212231400-Question_about_good_faith_edits"></span>Hello, I found this ip making some good faith edits here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lynx_gang&diff=prev&oldid=1274908715">[2]</a> and <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lynx_gang&diff=next&oldid=1274908715">[3]</a>. I reverted <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lynx_gang&diff=next&oldid=1274908923">[4]</a> these edits due to the user not supplying a edit summary and removing content. Shortly after, the user readded the information, now with a edit summary <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lynx_gang&diff=next&oldid=1274909458">[5]</a>. I decided the edits were fine, but I want to know if any more interventions are needed. Should I revert these users edits again or should I leave them be? <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250212231400-Question_about_good_faith_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250212231400-Question_about_good_faith_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250212231400-Question_about_good_faith_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shushugah-20250213000000-Justjourney-20250212231400"></span>No further action is needed. They've adapted their behaviour and provided an explanation. If you disagree with specific content edits, you can follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> process with them. ~ 🦝 <a href="/wiki/User:Shushugah" title="User:Shushugah">Shushugah</a> (he/him • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shushugah" title="User talk:Shushugah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shushugah-20250213000000-Justjourney-20250212231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shushugah-20250213000000-Justjourney-20250212231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shushugah-20250213000000-Justjourney-20250212231400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Whoops..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Whoops...-20250213003700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whoops...-20250213003700"></span>Whoops...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whoops...-20250213003700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250213003700-Whoops..."></span>I didn't realize someone already warned this user <a href="/wiki/User_talk:89.24.58.116" title="User talk:89.24.58.116">User talk:89.24.58.116</a>. Should I revert my warning or leave it be? <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250213003700-Whoops..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250213003700-Whoops..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250213003700-Whoops..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700-Justjourney-20250213003700"></span>Did the IP in question make any edits in between the time they were first warned and the time that you warned them at? <a href="/wiki/User:RedactedHumanoid" title="User:RedactedHumanoid">RedactedHumanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedactedHumanoid" title="User talk:RedactedHumanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700-Justjourney-20250213003700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700-Justjourney-20250213003700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700-Justjourney-20250213003700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250213011800-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700"></span>It seems like they are blocked now. <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250213011800-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250213011800-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250213011800-RedactedHumanoid-20250213011700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213012300-Justjourney-20250213011800"></span>I'd say just leave the warning, not a big deal tbh. <a href="/wiki/User:RedactedHumanoid" title="User:RedactedHumanoid">RedactedHumanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedactedHumanoid" title="User talk:RedactedHumanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213012300-Justjourney-20250213011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213012300-Justjourney-20250213011800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250213012300-Justjourney-20250213011800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Archiving_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Archiving_question-20250213023200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Archiving_question-20250213023200"></span>Archiving question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Archiving_question-20250213023200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250213023200-Archiving_question"></span>On my user talk page, I just set up archiving. I have a notice at the top of my talk page. Is there a way I can keep that notice automatically once the bot archives the talk page? <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250213023200-Archiving_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250213023200-Archiving_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250213023200-Archiving_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800-Justjourney-20250213023200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> According to the documentation at <a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_III" title="User:ClueBot III">User:ClueBot III</a>, you can use the parameter |headerlevel= to control that. I think that your talk page is already set up to leave the notice unarchived but you can check once the bot first runs. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800-Justjourney-20250213023200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800-Justjourney-20250213023200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800-Justjourney-20250213023200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250213232700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250213232700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250213232700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250213232700-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213155800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="citing_patents" data-mw-thread-id="h-citing_patents-20250213025400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-citing_patents-20250213025400"></span>citing patents<span data-mw-comment-end="h-citing_patents-20250213025400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400-citing_patents"></span>I'm a new editor learning best practices for citing facts in articles and want to learn more about citing patents. I <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources_(online_and_paper)" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">read</a> that patents are to be used with caution as self-published primary sources and that oftentimes the same information is available in a different non-self-published source. I edit in technology and science so most of the relevant patents are applied for and self-published by major non-profit/for-profit organizations on behalf of inventors who are subject matter experts. Is it advisable to include patent citations that support facts better than other sources? Is the filing or licensing of patents by major organizations relevant to notability? How can I balance citing a freely accessible patent versus similar information in a source that is behind a paywall? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ProfessorBioTech&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ProfessorBioTech (page does not exist)">ProfessorBioTech</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ProfessorBioTech" title="User talk:ProfessorBioTech">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400-citing_patents" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400-citing_patents"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400-citing_patents"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213072700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ProfessorBioTech&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ProfessorBioTech (page does not exist)">ProfessorBioTech</a> On the point of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAYWALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAYWALL">WP:PAYWALLed</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> vs a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">WP:SPS</a> (?) patent, go paywall (or even <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFLINE">WP:OFFLINE</a>). No, filing of patents do not contribute to notability, but if independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> notice and bother to write about it, such coverage might contribute to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. I don't know if you found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PATENTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PATENTS">WP:PATENTS</a>, but if not, there's the link. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213072700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213072700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213072700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250213074700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ProfessorBioTech&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ProfessorBioTech (page does not exist)">ProfessorBioTech</a>. You could perhaps cite a particular patent just in support of basic uncontentious factual information about it (if such information is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING">encyclopedically relevant</a> to readers), but you probably need to be careful trying to cite it for any interpretations or claims about whatever the patent is for and instead use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">WP:SECONDARY</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">WP:INDEPENDENT</a> sources for such things. In a way, citing a patent is sort of like citing a tweet or other type of social media post <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF">made by the subject of an article</a>; it's probably OK for non-contentious information about the patent or the patent holder, (date, name, number, filer's name, etc.) but not OK for any kind of exceptional claim or interpretation (e.g this is the best invention ever). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250213074700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250213074700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250213074700-ProfessorBioTech-20250213025400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20250214061000-Marchjuly-20250213074700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ProfessorBioTech&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ProfessorBioTech (page does not exist)">ProfessorBioTech</a>:</span> As they tend to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a> sources, even if there is good reliable secondary sources on them, e.g. they are world-changing, then citing them correctly tends to be quite difficult to do it in a neutral i.e on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> and in a non-promotional i.e. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMO">WP:PROMO</a> manner. I've seen many laudable editors with the best intentions, drifting slowly into promotion of the subject, particularly in academic <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a>'s that become higly subjective over time. It starts well enough. Unless they're absolutely world-changing, well known and well covered by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">WP:SECONDARY</a> coverage, I would avoid like the plague. Is the filing or licensing of patents by major organizations relevant to notability? No. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Scope_creep-20250214061000-Marchjuly-20250213074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20250214061000-Marchjuly-20250213074700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20250214061000-Marchjuly-20250213074700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advanced_source_searching" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advanced_source_searching-20250213040100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advanced_source_searching-20250213040100"></span>Advanced source searching<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advanced_source_searching-20250213040100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100-Advanced_source_searching"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Draft:What_Happens_Next_(webcomic)" title="Draft:What Happens Next (webcomic)">Draft:What Happens Next (webcomic)</a><br/>I'm trying hard to find sources for this webcomic draft to bring it to mainspace, but I'm having a very hard time finding anything using Google and its subengines (mostly Google News), the <a href="/wiki/User:Superb_Owl/Reliable_Source_Engine" title="User:Superb Owl/Reliable Source Engine">reliable source engine</a>, and other sources listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Advanced_source_searching" title="Wikipedia:Advanced source searching">Wikipedia:Advanced source searching</a> (with the query ""What Happens Next" +webcomic"). If anyone else can provide more ideas for web searching, it would be appreciated. —<a href="/wiki/User:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User:Sparkle & Fade"><i>Sparkle and Fade</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User talk:Sparkle & Fade">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100-Advanced_source_searching" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100-Advanced_source_searching"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100-Advanced_source_searching"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213074000-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User:Sparkle & Fade">Sparkle & Fade</a> I looked at archive.org and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIBRARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIBRARY">WP:LIBRARY</a>, but for this subject, I got nothing. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213074000-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213074000-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20250213074000-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarsenet-20250213132800-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User:Sparkle & Fade">Sparkle & Fade</a> I'm a big fan of Max Graves' work, but it might be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOSOON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOSOON">WP:TOOSOON</a> - a lot of webcomics can take a while to be notable. A webcomic that's only been around since the end of 2021 simply might need a while longer to be discussed by media- I wouldn't be surprised if the subject matter is also a balking point for more 'mainstream' comic media/reviews since it centers on queer/trans characters. I would be totally willing to help out with sources/the draft itself, feel free to reach out on my talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Sarsenet" title="User:Sarsenet">Sarsenet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarsenet" title="User talk:Sarsenet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sarsenet-20250213132800-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarsenet-20250213132800-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarsenet-20250213132800-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250213040100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in_the_"Successor"_field?" data-mw-thread-id="h-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in-20250213050000"><span id="On_the_latest_tech_devices.2C_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in_the_.22Successor.22_field.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in-20250213050000"></span>On the latest tech devices, should there be the name of an unreleased device in the "Successor" field?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in-20250213050000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UserBob-20250213050000-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in"></span>Hello! I've come to notice that on the <a href="/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S25" title="Samsung Galaxy S25">Galaxy S25</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S10" title="Samsung Galaxy Tab S10">Galaxy Tab S10</a> articles, there are the names of unreleased devices in the Successor field in the infobox (The Galaxy S26 and Tab S11, respectively). Should it be there, or should the reference be removed? <a href="/wiki/User:Hinothi1" title="User:Hinothi1"><span style="color: midnightblue"><b>Hinothi1</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UserBob" title="User talk:UserBob"><span style="color: darkslategray">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-UserBob-20250213050000-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UserBob-20250213050000-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UserBob-20250213050000-On_the_latest_tech_devices,_should_there_be_the_name_of_an_unreleased_device_in"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250213054600-UserBob-20250213050000"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Hinothi1" title="User:Hinothi1">Hinothi1</a>. Have you checked to the article's talk page to see whether there's already been some discussion regarding this? If there hasn't, maybe try asking at for input at one or more of the WikiProject listed at the top of each article's talk page. My first assessment is that such content might be OK to possibly mention somewhere in the article as long as it's reliably sourced and makes sense encyclopedically, but perhaps not just let in the infobox. This type of article isn't one I'm too familiar with and there's really only a general description of the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|successor=</code> parameter found at <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_mobile_phone" title="Template:Infobox mobile phone">Template:Infobox mobile phone</a>. The edit made to <a href="/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S25" title="Samsung Galaxy S25">Samsung Galaxy S25</a> was by an IP; most likely they meant well, but probably just aren't too familiar with Wikipedia. Lots of time, people see or read something about a subject and just want to add it asap to the relevant Wikipedia article (if one exists) thinking that anything goes and don't really worry about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDLINK">WP:REDLINKs</a> are, in principle, OK for articles when they meant the conditions of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDYES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDYES">WP:REDYES</a>, but I don't know enough about Samsung mobile phones to say whether that's the case here. Perhaps, if Samsung has officially announced these as being successors, simply adding citations verifying as much to each infobox is all that's needed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250213054600-UserBob-20250213050000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250213054600-UserBob-20250213050000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250213054600-UserBob-20250213050000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250213055100-UserBob-20250213050000"></span>On a completely unrelated note <a href="/wiki/User:Hinothi1" title="User:Hinothi1">Hinothi1</a>, the "talk" link in your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGNATURE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGNATURE">WP:SIGNATURE</a> is to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:UserBob" title="User talk:UserBob">User talk:UserBob</a>. Why have you done that? The "talk" link in a Wikipedia account's signature should, in principle, be to their user talk page and not someone else's. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250213055100-UserBob-20250213050000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250213055100-UserBob-20250213050000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250213055100-UserBob-20250213050000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Feedback_on_Reversion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Feedback_on_Reversion-20250213071200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Feedback_on_Reversion-20250213071200"></span>Feedback on Reversion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Feedback_on_Reversion-20250213071200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sircheezball-20250213071200-Feedback_on_Reversion"></span>Hello, Can I please have feedback on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Avakian&diff=prev&oldid=1275470377">this reversion</a> and the <a href="/wiki/User_talk:LimeorLemon#c-Sircheezball-20250213063300-Bob_Avakian_Article_Reversion" title="User talk:LimeorLemon">accompanying message</a> I left on the user's talk page? <a href="/wiki/User:Sircheezball" title="User:Sircheezball">Sircheezball</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sircheezball" title="User talk:Sircheezball">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sircheezball-20250213071200-Feedback_on_Reversion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sircheezball-20250213071200-Feedback_on_Reversion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sircheezball-20250213071200-Feedback_on_Reversion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20250213071900-Sircheezball-20250213071200"></span>I'm not a specialist about <b>"policy of Wikipedia"</b> and <b>"guidelines"</b> but I think your feedback on reversion was done in a civil way. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20250213071900-Sircheezball-20250213071200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20250213071900-Sircheezball-20250213071200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20250213071900-Sircheezball-20250213071200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250213150300-Sircheezball-20250213071200"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Sircheezball" title="User:Sircheezball">Sircheezball</a>! I believe as long as any reversion is based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>, and that you notify the user whose changes you reverted, it's perfectly okay! <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250213150300-Sircheezball-20250213071200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250213150300-Sircheezball-20250213071200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250213150300-Sircheezball-20250213071200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_review-20250213111400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_review-20250213111400"></span>Translation review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_review-20250213111400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Warpfrz-20250213111400-Translation_review"></span>i think i need a more experienced editor to review my translation Draft:Embassy of Russia, Helsinki in order to get it published. but i don't really know what i should do in practice. how can i get my draft approved? <a href="/wiki/Draft:Embassy_of_Russia,_Helsinki" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Embassy of Russia, Helsinki">Draft:Embassy of Russia, Helsinki</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Warpfrz" title="User:Warpfrz">Warpfrz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Warpfrz" title="User talk:Warpfrz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Warpfrz-20250213111400-Translation_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Warpfrz-20250213111400-Translation_review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Warpfrz-20250213111400-Translation_review"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DoubleGrazing-20250213141900-Warpfrz-20250213111400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Warpfrz" title="User:Warpfrz">Warpfrz</a>: I've placed the AfC template on the draft, that way whenever you feel you're ready you can send it to be reviewed by clicking that blue 'submit' button. A reviewer will then run the proverbial ruler over it at some point, and publish if it's publishable, or else give you feedback on what needs improving. Best, -- <a href="/wiki/User:DoubleGrazing" title="User:DoubleGrazing">DoubleGrazing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DoubleGrazing" title="User talk:DoubleGrazing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DoubleGrazing-20250213141900-Warpfrz-20250213111400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DoubleGrazing-20250213141900-Warpfrz-20250213111400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DoubleGrazing-20250213141900-Warpfrz-20250213111400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400-Warpfrz-20250213111400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Warpfrz" title="User:Warpfrz">Warpfrz</a> I don't see any major issues but you could use the infobox <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_diplomatic_mission" title="Template:Infobox diplomatic mission">Infobox diplomatic mission</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and fill it out much like the <a href="/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Helsinki" title="Embassy of the United States, Helsinki">Embassy of the United States, Helsinki</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400-Warpfrz-20250213111400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400-Warpfrz-20250213111400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400-Warpfrz-20250213111400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250213162400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400"></span>Or get it accepted first, then the Infobox. Having an Infobox does not contribute to being accepted. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250213162400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250213162400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250213162400-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250213154400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs-20250213154100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs-20250213154100"></span><a href="/wiki/Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs" title="Draft:List of Minecraft mobs">Draft:List of Minecraft mobs</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs-20250213154100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mast303-20250213154100-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs"></span>I am working on a draft of an article titled <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_Minecraft_mobs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of Minecraft mobs (page does not exist)">List of Minecraft mobs</a>. Currently it is only half done. Should i delete the empty rows (the ones with placeholders) or keep them? <a href="/wiki/User:Mast303" title="User:Mast303">Mast303</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mast303" title="User talk:Mast303">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mast303-20250213154100-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mast303-20250213154100-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mast303-20250213154100-Draft:List_of_Minecraft_mobs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toadspike-20250213161100-Mast303-20250213154100"></span>It looks like this has been submitted to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_Creation" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Articles for Creation">Articles for Creation</a>. If you would like this to be moved into the encyclopedia (to mainspace) now, I would remove the placeholder rows. However, I suggest that you finish the list first, before asking that it be moved to mainspace. <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;"><b>Toadspike</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Toadspike-20250213161100-Mast303-20250213154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toadspike-20250213161100-Mast303-20250213154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toadspike-20250213161100-Mast303-20250213154100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toadspike-20250213161300-Toadspike-20250213161100"></span>Fair warning: A very similar list was recently deleted (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Minecraft_characters" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Minecraft characters">this discussion</a>), so it is possible that your AfC submission is declined, or if you move it to mainspace, the list may get deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Toadspike" title="User:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;"><b>Toadspike</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toadspike" title="User talk:Toadspike"><span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Toadspike-20250213161300-Toadspike-20250213161100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toadspike-20250213161300-Toadspike-20250213161100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toadspike-20250213161300-Toadspike-20250213161100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrfoogles-20250214174400-Mast303-20250213154100"></span>This is probably going to be very hard to get in via AFC -- it's controversial whether it's notable or not at all and reviewer are probably going to lean on the side of not letting it in. It probably meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLIST">the list notability guideline</a> in that people have discussed the set of Minecraft mobs as a group. But also, it's worth taking a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games#Inappropriate_content" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games">Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games#Inappropriate_content</a>, which includes list of ingame concepts -- there are a lot of people who will be, essentially, "This seems like Minecraft wiki content, we can't have it" regardless of policy. The best way to get it through would probably be to focus on commentary of secondary sources on the mobs, rather than the mobs themselves. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mrfoogles-20250214174400-Mast303-20250213154100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrfoogles-20250214174400-Mast303-20250213154100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrfoogles-20250214174400-Mast303-20250213154100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="why_is_there_no_trivia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-why_is_there_no_trivia?-20250213221500"><span id="why_is_there_no_trivia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-why_is_there_no_trivia?-20250213221500"></span>why is there no trivia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-why_is_there_no_trivia?-20250213221500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Douglas15amor-20250213221500-why_is_there_no_trivia?"></span>you know how in fandom there is a trivia part? here's an exemple: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://woohoo.fandom.com/wiki/Flora#Trivia">https://woohoo.fandom.com/wiki/Flora#Trivia</a> why doesnt Wikipedia have the same? i would be cool! <a href="/wiki/User:Douglas15amor" title="User:Douglas15amor">Douglas15amor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Douglas15amor" title="User talk:Douglas15amor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Douglas15amor-20250213221500-why_is_there_no_trivia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Douglas15amor-20250213221500-why_is_there_no_trivia?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Douglas15amor-20250213221500-why_is_there_no_trivia?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Douglas15amor" title="User:Douglas15amor"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arjayay-20250213221700-Douglas15amor-20250213221500"></span>Douglas15amor</a> - please see <a href="/wiki/MOS:TRIVIA" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TRIVIA">MOS:TRIVIA</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Arjayay" title="User:Arjayay">Arjayay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arjayay" title="User talk:Arjayay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Arjayay-20250213221700-Douglas15amor-20250213221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arjayay-20250213221700-Douglas15amor-20250213221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arjayay-20250213221700-Douglas15amor-20250213221500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20250214054400-Arjayay-20250213221700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Douglas15amor" title="User:Douglas15amor">Douglas15amor</a>:</span> The general advice is not put any trivia in any fandom article. It is a bane on Wikipedia and there has a years long effort to remove reams of it. Any information that goes into the article, should be specific to the article subject. If its not specific to the subject, then it needs to either go into another suitable article, assuming there is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> to support it or left out. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Scope_creep-20250214054400-Arjayay-20250213221700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20250214054400-Arjayay-20250213221700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20250214054400-Arjayay-20250213221700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?-20250213223900"><span id="Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?-20250213223900"></span>Deadline for Draft Article I Started?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?-20250213223900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurodea108-20250213223900-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?"></span>Hello all, I started a draft article Draft:Josephine Semmes several months ago. Then my life got very busy and I paused it. While my life is still very busy, I would like to know when is the deadline for submission. I seem to recall that the draft will automatically be deleted at some point? How do I find this date? Thank you very much for your help. <a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aurodea108" title="User talk:Aurodea108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aurodea108-20250213223900-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurodea108-20250213223900-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurodea108-20250213223900-Deadline_for_Draft_Article_I_Started?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20250213230000-Aurodea108-20250213223900"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a>. There is no deadline for submission. If a draft has not been edited in six months, it will be deleted; but you can ask for it to be restored: see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Undeletion" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Undeletion">undeletion</a>. Alternatively, if you make a minor edit in it as the six month point is approaching, it will reset the clock. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20250213230000-Aurodea108-20250213223900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20250213230000-Aurodea108-20250213223900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20250213230000-Aurodea108-20250213223900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurodea108-20250214065000-ColinFine-20250213230000"></span>Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aurodea108" title="User talk:Aurodea108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aurodea108-20250214065000-ColinFine-20250213230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurodea108-20250214065000-ColinFine-20250213230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurodea108-20250214065000-ColinFine-20250213230000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Making_an_article_with_Grammarly" data-mw-thread-id="h-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly-20250213224600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly-20250213224600"></span>Making an article with Grammarly<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly-20250213224600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liam9287-20250213224600-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly"></span>Hi, am I able to make an article with Grammarly? Basically I will gather some sources and use Grammarly to create a base for my article, It's more like a starting point for me for my first article. And I also edit any of the mistakes Grammarly may make. I always check before uploading. <a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liam9287" title="User talk:Liam9287">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Liam9287-20250213224600-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liam9287-20250213224600-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liam9287-20250213224600-Making_an_article_with_Grammarly"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225200-Liam9287-20250213224600"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a>. The short answer is no, you cannot and should not use <a href="/wiki/Grammarly" title="Grammarly">Grammarly</a>. See this essay for more on that, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_use_Grammarly" title="Wikipedia:Don't use Grammarly">Wikipedia:Don't use Grammarly</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iljhgtn" title="User talk:Iljhgtn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Iljhgtn-20250213225200-Liam9287-20250213224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225200-Liam9287-20250213224600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225200-Liam9287-20250213224600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liam9287-20250213230800-Iljhgtn-20250213225200"></span>I didn't know about this, last time I asked about Grammarly they said I could use it to edit articles, so this is a little odd. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1238#h-Questions_regarding_copyright_and_copyediting-20241018192500" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1238">Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1238#h-Questions regarding copyright and copyediting-20241018192500</a> Also, I am aware of the English thing, and I dismiss them because I know Grammarly is based on American English. I also dismiss Grammarly trying to edit links or references, as I know that is crucial for articles. Am I not allowed to use it anymore? <a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liam9287" title="User talk:Liam9287">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Liam9287-20250213230800-Iljhgtn-20250213225200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liam9287-20250213230800-Iljhgtn-20250213225200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liam9287-20250213230800-Iljhgtn-20250213225200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20250214055100-Liam9287-20250213230800"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a>:</span> Best not to use any automatic tools to build any articles. Articles should be hand built, hand written the old-fashioned way. If it is smacks or reads of automatic generation, i.e. created by some other AI tooling e.g. Grammerly, ChatGTP and so on, it is will likely be sent to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">WP:AFC</a> or deleted at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a> very quickly. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Scope_creep-20250214055100-Liam9287-20250213230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20250214055100-Liam9287-20250213230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20250214055100-Liam9287-20250213230800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250214060600-Liam9287-20250213230800"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a>. Why do you want or need to use Grammarly? Do you think you're unable to create an article without such assistance? Wikipedia articles <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IMPERFECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IMPERFECT">aren't required to be perfect</a>; and nobody is going to expect you to be perfect yourself. If you're capable of finding sources that clearly establish the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a> of the subject you want to create an article about, you should be equally as capable of creating an article about it. If you're not capable of finding such sources, then using Grammarly to create the article won't fix that problem, and the article will most likely end up deleted regardless. If you want to use Grammarly as a tool to help you study writing or work out a draft, then feel free to do so. Once anything you create is added to the mainspace, though, it can be rewritten, partially or totally, by others if they deem doing so to be necessary. What will you do if that happens? Revert back to the version you created because you used Grammarly? Things like Grammarly can be helpful in many ways, but relying on them too much might not help you develop your skills as a Wikipedia editor. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250214060600-Liam9287-20250213230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250214060600-Liam9287-20250213230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250214060600-Liam9287-20250213230800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250214094600-Marchjuly-20250214060600"></span>Liam9287</a>, I am not recommending use of Grammarly or recommending against it either. I have never used it or anything like it myself. I do want to point out that the essay about it does not have widespread consensus. I suggest that you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Don%27t_use_Grammarly" title="Wikipedia talk:Don't use Grammarly">Wikipedia talk :Don't use Grammarly</a> where several editors express strong disagreement with that essay. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250214094600-Marchjuly-20250214060600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250214094600-Marchjuly-20250214060600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250214094600-Marchjuly-20250214060600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elemimele-20250214094700-Cullen328-20250214094600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a>:</span> you've just posted a question and a follow-up in perfect and readable English, presumably without using Grammarly, so why would you need it anyway? Grammarly's advertising is very much based on the confidence-destroying premise: "If you don't use Grammarly, all sorts of nasty things will happen that you won't even notice because writing is harder than you think; you will probably lose your job or fail your student assignments. You don't know you need Grammarly, but you do!" This is very bad! If you want to use tools like Grammarly, you can, but you probably need them as much as you need Breatherly to help you breathe (because breathing is complicated, and grad students don't have time to think about breathing). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elemimele&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elemimele (page does not exist)">Elemimele</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elemimele" title="User talk:Elemimele">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Elemimele-20250214094700-Cullen328-20250214094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elemimele-20250214094700-Cullen328-20250214094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elemimele-20250214094700-Cullen328-20250214094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liam9287-20250214185000-Elemimele-20250214094700"></span>Ok I have read all of your comments, they are really insightful and well written. After reading them I can definitely see how making an article with an AI would be weird. I thought it was silly to make an article with Grammarly anyway, cause humans are better than AI always. (well mostly) Thank you guys for the help! Am I still able to use for copyediting though? <a href="/wiki/User:Liam9287" title="User:Liam9287">Liam9287</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liam9287" title="User talk:Liam9287">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Liam9287-20250214185000-Elemimele-20250214094700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liam9287-20250214185000-Elemimele-20250214094700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liam9287-20250214185000-Elemimele-20250214094700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20250215013800-Liam9287-20250214185000"></span>Please don't use Grammarly for copyediting. We ask that aspiring copyeditors are somewhat familiar with Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">Manual of Style</a>, which Grammarly isn't calibrated to. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20250215013800-Liam9287-20250214185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20250215013800-Liam9287-20250214185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20250215013800-Liam9287-20250214185000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year" data-mw-thread-id="h-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year-20250213225100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year-20250213225100"></span>Keep me logged in for up to one year<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year-20250213225100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225100-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year"></span>I often log in and log out each and every time that I choose to do some editing, but I see there is an option to "Keep me logged in for up to one year". I am just curious, but why would anyone choose this option? Or conversely, why would anyone not choose this option? Why is it limited to "one year" and not simply "Keep me logged in until I sign out" then if its truly just a long-term option? </p><p>Curious how many of you choose this or are even aware of it? <a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iljhgtn" title="User talk:Iljhgtn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Iljhgtn-20250213225100-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225100-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iljhgtn-20250213225100-Keep_me_logged_in_for_up_to_one_year"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213233100-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"></span>Keeping logged in saves time and effort, and may also log the user in to the partner projects (eg Wikiversity). I suppose if someone else could be using that computer, you should log out every time. A cookie is supplied to last a year. But on occasion everyone is logged out because of some security issue, so logging in happens more than once a year in reality. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213233100-Iljhgtn-20250213225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213233100-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20250213233100-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tarlby-20250213233200-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"></span>I've heard other websites use a similar function. In my opinion, I'm pretty sure it's to prevent accounts being hacked into when the owner can no longer keep it in check. <a href="/wiki/User:Tarlby" title="User:Tarlby"><span style="background-color:black;color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;"><i>Tarlby</i></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tarlby" title="User talk:Tarlby"><i>t</i></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tarlby" title="Special:Contributions/Tarlby"><i>c</i></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tarlby-20250213233200-Iljhgtn-20250213225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tarlby-20250213233200-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tarlby-20250213233200-Iljhgtn-20250213225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karenthewriter-20250214131700-Tarlby-20250213233200"></span>I live alone and no one else uses my computer, so I stay logged into everything that isn't related to financial matters. Most days I check my Watchlist to see if any articles I have a special interest in have been edited, plus I check to see what's being asked at the Teahouse. I like the ease of simply bringing up Wikipedia and clicking a few tabs to get to what I want to see.<a href="/wiki/User:Karenthewriter" title="User:Karenthewriter">Karenthewriter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karenthewriter" title="User talk:Karenthewriter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Karenthewriter-20250214131700-Tarlby-20250213233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karenthewriter-20250214131700-Tarlby-20250213233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karenthewriter-20250214131700-Tarlby-20250213233200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iljhgtn-20250214160500-Karenthewriter-20250214131700"></span>Right so why limit it to a year in that case? It should be changed to "Keep me logged in until I log out." <a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iljhgtn" title="User talk:Iljhgtn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Iljhgtn-20250214160500-Karenthewriter-20250214131700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iljhgtn-20250214160500-Karenthewriter-20250214131700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iljhgtn-20250214160500-Karenthewriter-20250214131700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slowking_Man-20250215050400-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Iljhgtn" title="User:Iljhgtn">Iljhgtn</a>:</span> Eventually expiring logins is a <a href="/wiki/Cybersecurity" class="mw-redirect" title="Cybersecurity">cybersecurity</a> best practice, to lessen scenarios like, someone forgetting they're logged in on a device which they then transfer to someone else who they've now unintentionally given access to their account. Note, expirations for logins on websites are actually "kept on your end" rather than that of the website you're accessing, by setting an expiration date in the login <a href="/wiki/Web_cookie" class="mw-redirect" title="Web cookie">Web cookie</a> in your browser. You can change the expiry if you want by using a <a href="/wiki/Browser_extension" title="Browser extension">browser extension</a> that lets you modify cookies and setting the cookie to expire whenever you wish (including "never"), though for "better safe than sorry" reasons I don't recommend it. (In any case, sooner or later though it may take some years, some software change on Wikipedia's end is likely to "forcibly" expire past logins and require logging in afresh.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Slowking_Man" title="User:Slowking Man">Slowking Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slowking_Man" title="User talk:Slowking Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Slowking_Man-20250215050400-Iljhgtn-20250214160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slowking_Man-20250215050400-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slowking_Man-20250215050400-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215051000-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"></span>I think your questions are outside of the purview of the Teahouse, as we are here to talk about more easier questions than to talk about technical questions. You could as somewhere else like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VP/T" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VP/T">WP:VP/T</a> or at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="mw:">MediaWiki</a>. But, <a href="/wiki/User:Slowking_Man" title="User:Slowking Man">Slowking Man</a>'s answer is probably best. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e"><a href="/wiki/User:Cowboygilbert" title="User:Cowboygilbert"><span style="color:#3f6b39"><b>Cowboygilbert</b></span></a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cowboygilbert" title="User talk:Cowboygilbert"><span style="color:#d12667"> (talk) ♥</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cowboygilbert-20250215051000-Iljhgtn-20250214160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215051000-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cowboygilbert-20250215051000-Iljhgtn-20250214160500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Getting_an_article_assessed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Getting_an_article_assessed-20250213235400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Getting_an_article_assessed-20250213235400"></span>Getting an article assessed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Getting_an_article_assessed-20250213235400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sushidude21!-20250213235400-Getting_an_article_assessed"></span>How do I get an article assessed, specifically <a href="/wiki/Leon_O._Morgan" title="Leon O. Morgan">Leon O. Morgan</a>, among others? <a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushidude21!" title="User talk:Sushidude21!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sushidude21!-20250213235400-Getting_an_article_assessed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sushidude21!-20250213235400-Getting_an_article_assessed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sushidude21!-20250213235400-Getting_an_article_assessed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melecie-20250214013300-Sushidude21!-20250213235400"></span>hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> and welcome to the Teahouse! you can request for an assessment of an article to A, B, C, Start- or Stub- class in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedia/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment">Requesting an assessment</a>. FA or GA assessments are located over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates">Featured article candidates</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">Good article nominations</a> respectively. happy editing! 💜 <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf"> <a href="/wiki/User:Melecie" title="User:Melecie"><span style="color:#471a7a"><b>mel</b>ecie</span></a> </span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melecie" title="User talk:Melecie"><span style="color:#471a7a">talk</span></a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Melecie-20250214013300-Sushidude21!-20250213235400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melecie-20250214013300-Sushidude21!-20250213235400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melecie-20250214013300-Sushidude21!-20250213235400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250214130200-Melecie-20250214013300"></span>Sushidude21!</a> If by "assessed" you mean improved, you and other editors are free to continue to work on the article. In time, an editor other than you may decide that the tags at the top can be removed as no longer applied. Not a requirement, but I suggest that you change Publications to Selected publications and limit the list to no more than ten (Wikipedia articles are not CVs). <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250214130200-Melecie-20250214013300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250214130200-Melecie-20250214013300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250214130200-Melecie-20250214013300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sushidude21!-20250214231500-David_notMD-20250214130200"></span>How would I go about picking these 10? <a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushidude21!" title="User talk:Sushidude21!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sushidude21!-20250214231500-David_notMD-20250214130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sushidude21!-20250214231500-David_notMD-20250214130200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sushidude21!-20250214231500-David_notMD-20250214130200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_draft_rejected" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_draft_rejected-20250213235400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_draft_rejected-20250213235400"></span>Page draft rejected<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_draft_rejected-20250213235400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235400-Page_draft_rejected"></span>I wrote a page on a non-profit organisation I am involved in (The Australasian Institute for Maritime Archaeology (AIMA)) that was rejected firstly for lack of references. I added many book and article references to the organisation as well as a lot of cross references to related legislation, organisations and subjects. However, I have now been rejected again because the draft was considered not to be: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH"><i>in-depth</i></a> (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources"><i>reliable</i></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary" title="Wikipedia:No original research"><i>secondary</i></a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGIND"><i>strictly independent</i></a> of the subject</li></ul> <p>Its really strange to me that a page on this organisation that is 50 years old and is the main maritime archaeology body in Australasia, mentioned in many books and papers, shouldn't meet these criteria. I thought I had added a lot of material that meets all the criteria in the second response. Until the page is published its hard to get others to add material and I can't even add the logo to a draft page. </p><p>I'd appreciate any advice on what the threshold is mean to be for these things. They seem pretty subjective but I'd like to know where to direct my effort and avoid too many more drafts as the process is much slower than I remember from years ago </p><p><a href="/wiki/Draft:The_Australasian_Institute_for_Maritime_Archaeology_(AIMA)" title="Draft:The Australasian Institute for Maritime Archaeology (AIMA)">Draft:The Australasian Institute for Maritime Archaeology (AIMA)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lordjaysus" title="User:Lordjaysus">Lordjaysus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lordjaysus" title="User talk:Lordjaysus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Lordjaysus-20250213235400-Page_draft_rejected" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235400-Page_draft_rejected"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235400-Page_draft_rejected"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235700-Lordjaysus-20250213235400"></span>I should point out that almost all the book and article references I added are reliable, secondary and strictly independent of the organisation, being written by leading scholars of the discipline and published by major publishing houses, so that's a big part of why I find this feedback confusing - it seems to be asking for what I have already done <a href="/wiki/User:Lordjaysus" title="User:Lordjaysus">Lordjaysus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lordjaysus" title="User talk:Lordjaysus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Lordjaysus-20250213235700-Lordjaysus-20250213235400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235700-Lordjaysus-20250213235400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lordjaysus-20250213235700-Lordjaysus-20250213235400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melecie-20250214012000-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"></span>hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Lordjaysus" title="User:Lordjaysus">Lordjaysus</a> and welcome to Wikipedia! I haven't read your provided sources yet (and they seem to be actual books, which is valid but may be harder to access for other editors), but each of the terms <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">in-depth</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Secondary" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Secondary">secondary</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGIND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGIND">independent</a> have specific meanings in Wikipedia: <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ORGDEPTH">in-depth</a></b> basically just says, "does this source focus on the subject of the article or just briefly mention it?" for example, a news article on Person XYZ doing some accomplishment is in-depth coverage for XYZ, while one on Organization ABC doing D thing, where Person XYZ just so happens to be a member isn't in-depth coverage of XYZ (but is for ABC).</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable (source)</a></b> means, "is the source actually reliable or trustworthy?" in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SCHOLARSHIP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SCHOLARSHIP">the sciences</a>, that would be published peer-reviewed papers and such, while in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSORG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWSORG">news</a>, you should verify their reputation, if they are well-known for fact-checking and accuracy.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Secondary" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Secondary">secondary</a></b> just means <a href="/wiki/Secondary_source" title="Secondary source">secondary sources</a>, one step removed from and analyzes and interprets a <a href="/wiki/Primary_source" title="Primary source">primary source</a>. for example, a book talking about research done by researchers A, B et al is secondary because it interprets and reviews this research, while the research paper A, B et al is the primary source here.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Independent" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Independent">independent</a></b> means that your sources do not originate from or are in any way related to your subject except for reporting on it. for example, press releases and interviews with the subject are not considered secondary because they are directly related to the subject (the subject publishes the press release, they are part of the interview).</li></ul></dd> <dd>not all sources have to follow all of these (you can use some primary sources as long as you are careful with their use and at least <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable">reliable</a> for what they are reporting), but to prove a subject's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a> in Wikipedia terms, you need at least a few sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent. happy editing! 💜 <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf"> <a href="/wiki/User:Melecie" title="User:Melecie"><span style="color:#471a7a"><b>mel</b>ecie</span></a> </span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melecie" title="User talk:Melecie"><span style="color:#471a7a">talk</span></a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Melecie-20250214012000-Lordjaysus-20250213235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melecie-20250214012000-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melecie-20250214012000-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250214013100-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lordjaysus" title="User:Lordjaysus">Lordjaysus</a> Just an editor like you, but noticed that the draft reads like a promotional brochure, not an encyclopedia article. A question for citation might be: If something is 'pivotal', who said it, and why? Also, the first source Staniforth, who was the president of the AIMA, who also writes newsletter articles and training materials for them, might not be an independent source of information about the organisation. You might want to ask those questions on the <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:The_Australasian_Institute_for_Maritime_Archaeology_(AIMA)" title="Draft talk:The Australasian Institute for Maritime Archaeology (AIMA)">talk page</a> for the article, which currently does not have any discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250214013100-Lordjaysus-20250213235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250214013100-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250214013100-Lordjaysus-20250213235700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250214033800-Page_draft_rejected"></span>The draft has been Declined twice, not Rejected. The later decision is more severe, meaning that the reviewer so no potential for the draft to succeed without deleting everything and starting over (or not even that). </p><p>Per the Comments on the draft, remove all hyperlinks (some may be suitable as refs or External links). Section and subsection text requires references. If refs are books, include the page numbers that are relevant. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250214033800-Page_draft_rejected" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250214033800-Page_draft_rejected"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250214033800-Page_draft_rejected"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:HOUND_advice" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:HOUND_advice-20250214020300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:HOUND_advice-20250214020300"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOUND">WP:HOUND</a> advice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:HOUND_advice-20250214020300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300-WP:HOUND_advice"></span>What measures can one take in the event that one is being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOUND">hounded</a> by other editors? What kind of evidence is needed to prove this? As always, I will gratefully receive and any advice and insight. Thank you. —<a href="/wiki/User:CurryTime7-24" title="User:CurryTime7-24">CurryTime7-24</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CurryTime7-24" title="User talk:CurryTime7-24">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300-WP:HOUND_advice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300-WP:HOUND_advice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300-WP:HOUND_advice"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250214062000-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:CurryTime7-24" title="User:CurryTime7-24">CurryTime7-24</a>:</span> Nobody can really say how you should feel, but if this is related to either <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Symphony_No._2_(Walton)" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard">Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Symphony No. 2 (Walton)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Talk:Symphony_No._2_(Walton)#Citation_style" title="Talk:Symphony No. 2 (Walton)">Talk:Symphony No. 2 (Walton)#Citation style</a>, you probably should keep all relevant discussion there. You might also want to take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CAUTIOUS">WP:CAUTIOUS</a> because sometimes it's more productive to discuss major changes to an article before making them; Wikipedia wants us to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> for sure, but when someone else is just as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> in reverting the changes we made, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a> then generally falls upon us to seek consensus for them (absent any very serious-policy based concern that requires they be made asap). As for HOUND, you might want to take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AOHA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AOHA">WP:AOHA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HARASS#NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HARASS">WP:HARASS#NOT</a> for reference. If you still feel that you're being single out unfairly (I'm assuming that's what you mean by HOUND), then the please to discuss such things is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>; before for doing, though, you probably should take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANIADVICE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANIADVICE">WP:ANIADVICE</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250214062000-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250214062000-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250214062000-CurryTime7-24-20250214020300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="article_section_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-article_section_draft-20250214120600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-article_section_draft-20250214120600"></span>article section draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-article_section_draft-20250214120600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Errantsorbus-20250214120600-article_section_draft"></span>I have created a draft for a taxonomy section for the <a href="/wiki/Vespidae" title="Vespidae">Vespidae</a> page as it did not already have one, is there any functionality to submit drafts of page sections for review outside of asking on the talk pages for those articles/associated project pages? <a href="/wiki/User:Errantsorbus" title="User:Errantsorbus">Errantsorbus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Errantsorbus" title="User talk:Errantsorbus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Errantsorbus-20250214120600-article_section_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Errantsorbus-20250214120600-article_section_draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Errantsorbus-20250214120600-article_section_draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250214125600-Errantsorbus-20250214120600"></span>You submitted <a href="/wiki/User:Errantsorbus/vespidae_taxonomy_draft" title="User:Errantsorbus/vespidae taxonomy draft">User:Errantsorbus/vespidae taxonomy draft</a> as a stand-alone article and it was Declined. The reviewer stated that you should be incorporating this content as a section in <a href="/wiki/Vespidae" title="Vespidae">Vespidae</a> instead. In general, Wikipedia recommends BRD, as in being Bold in your edits, but if Reverted, start a Discussion on the Talk page of the article in an attempt to reach consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250214125600-Errantsorbus-20250214120600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250214125600-Errantsorbus-20250214120600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250214125600-Errantsorbus-20250214120600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Errantsorbus-20250214175600-David_notMD-20250214125600"></span>ok, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Errantsorbus" title="User:Errantsorbus">Errantsorbus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Errantsorbus" title="User talk:Errantsorbus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Errantsorbus-20250214175600-David_notMD-20250214125600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Errantsorbus-20250214175600-David_notMD-20250214125600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Errantsorbus-20250214175600-David_notMD-20250214125600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?-20250214135000"><span id="How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?-20250214135000"></span>How do I remove this copyright violation?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?-20250214135000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BadEditor93-20250214135000-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?"></span>This article (<a href="/wiki/Allan_Kardec" title="Allan Kardec">Allan Kardec</a>) has been taken almost word for word from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.discoverypublisher.com/authors/allan-kardec/">https://www.discoverypublisher.com/authors/allan-kardec/</a>. How do I fix this? I pressed the edit button but I just don't know how to deal with copyright violations like this. Do I just start paraphrasing everything? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadEditor93" title="User talk:BadEditor93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BadEditor93-20250214135000-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BadEditor93-20250214135000-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BadEditor93-20250214135000-How_do_I_remove_this_copyright_violation?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900-BadEditor93-20250214135000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> Looking at the age of the additions, the large majority of the article was made prior to the creation of that site (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://websiteage.org">estimated as November 2019</a>), as such it's more the site copied Wikipedia and called it a day. Content not listed as copyright on that page (such as a small portion of the lead) come from yesterday. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900-BadEditor93-20250214135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900-BadEditor93-20250214135000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900-BadEditor93-20250214135000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214140600-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"></span>As an aside, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WHOWROTETHAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WHOWROTETHAT">WP:WHOWROTETHAT</a> is a really good tool for sussing this sort of thing out. High copyright levels are generally attributed to a single editor over maybe one or two edits, whereas in this case WHOWROTETHAT showed that many editors added over the course of many years. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20250214140600-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214140600-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214140600-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BadEditor93-20250214163300-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"></span>Wow, I did not notice that! Thank you for all the helpful replies. So, should I remove the article from the category and ask the site who took the information to also put it under the same copyright licence as any other information from Wikipedia? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadEditor93" title="User talk:BadEditor93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BadEditor93-20250214163300-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BadEditor93-20250214163300-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BadEditor93-20250214163300-CommissarDoggo-20250214135900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400-BadEditor93-20250214163300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> I wouldn't bother in the latter, the chances of them responding are low and I'm equally as cynical of them noting anywhere that a decent amount of the info is copied from Wikipedia. As to the prior, I personally removed the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOP">WP:CLOP</a> tag earlier. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo"><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b></a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo"><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400-BadEditor93-20250214163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400-BadEditor93-20250214163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400-BadEditor93-20250214163300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BadEditor93-20250215074700-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400"></span>Alright, thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadEditor93" title="User talk:BadEditor93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BadEditor93-20250215074700-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BadEditor93-20250215074700-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BadEditor93-20250215074700-CommissarDoggo-20250214183400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CP"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250214145100-BadEditor93-20250214135000"></span>WP:CP</a> is where copyvios can be listed when you're not sure how to clean them up. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cremastra-20250214145100-BadEditor93-20250214135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250214145100-BadEditor93-20250214135000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250214145100-BadEditor93-20250214135000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name-20250214143100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name-20250214143100"></span>sfn errors due to exact date and last name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name-20250214143100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Garudam-20250214143100-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name"></span>Eh, folks. Can anyone help me to resolve this issue <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbak%27s_invasion_of_Assam#cite_ref-FOOTNOTEPathak200810_9-0">[6]</a>? Basically the sources have indistinguishable date and last name <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Assam_s_history_and_its_graphics.html?id=MdjO3XVk0MAC&redir_esc=y">[7]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Assamese_Women_in_Indian_Independence_Mo.html?id=6igd9NaJFlUC&redir_esc=y">[8]</a> therefore it couldn't target to the specific sources. – <b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><a href="/wiki/User:Garudam" title="User:Garudam"><span style="color: black;"><b>Garuda</b></span></a></span> </b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Garudam" title="User talk:Garudam"><span style="color: gray;"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Garudam-20250214143100-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Garudam-20250214143100-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Garudam-20250214143100-sfn_errors_due_to_exact_date_and_last_name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StarryGrandma-20250214151200-Garudam-20250214143100"></span>Hi, @<a href="/wiki/User:Garudam" title="User:Garudam">Garudam</a>. There are instructions on how to handle this at <a href="/wiki/Help:Shortened_footnotes#Linking" title="Help:Shortened footnotes">Help:Shortened footnotes#Linking</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:StarryGrandma" title="User:StarryGrandma">StarryGrandma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarryGrandma" title="User talk:StarryGrandma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StarryGrandma-20250214151200-Garudam-20250214143100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StarryGrandma-20250214151200-Garudam-20250214143100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StarryGrandma-20250214151200-Garudam-20250214143100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Garudam-20250214161900-StarryGrandma-20250214151200"></span>Aight, thanks. – <b><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><a href="/wiki/User:Garudam" title="User:Garudam"><span style="color: black;"><b>Garuda</b></span></a></span> </b><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Garudam" title="User talk:Garudam"><span style="color: gray;"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Garudam-20250214161900-StarryGrandma-20250214151200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Garudam-20250214161900-StarryGrandma-20250214151200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Garudam-20250214161900-StarryGrandma-20250214151200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?-20250214153300"><span id="Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?-20250214153300"></span>Where can I find typography nerds to help me?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?-20250214153300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153300-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Severance_typography.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Severance_typography.png/220px-Severance_typography.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="124" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Severance_typography.png/330px-Severance_typography.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Severance_typography.png/440px-Severance_typography.png 2x" data-file-width="1200" data-file-height="675"/></a><figcaption>Comparison of SF Pro Display Semi-Bold</figcaption></figure> <p>Hello! </p><p>I currently want to vectorize the <i><a href="/wiki/Severance_(TV_series)" title="Severance (TV series)">Severance</a></i> logo, and to do that I find the font. I know Apple's favorite font is <a href="/wiki/San_Francisco_(sans-serif_typeface)" title="San Francisco (sans-serif typeface)">San Francisco</a>, and I thought it looked similar, so I compared SF Pro Display Semi-Bold with it, and it was very similar, but not an exact match. Perhaps it's a bespoke variant. </p><p>Does anybody know where I can go to identify this font? I know <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Typography" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Typography">WikiProject Typography</a> exists, but it's only semi-active... Should I ask there? <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214153300-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153300-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153300-Where_can_I_find_typography_nerds_to_help_me?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153800-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"></span>Wait, I think I found it's more similar to SF Pro text, however it's still different... <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214153800-QuickQuokka-20250214153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153800-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214153800-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250214162000-QuickQuokka-20250214153800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka">QuickQuokka</a> To vectorize it I don't think you need to identify the font; for simple text a bitmap trace should be easy to do. I'll do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cremastra-20250214162000-QuickQuokka-20250214153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250214162000-QuickQuokka-20250214153800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250214162000-QuickQuokka-20250214153800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162200-Cremastra-20250214162000"></span>Wait. Let me provide you with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/EoWjlf9EmMs5QpTaeSw0lQ/3840x1040.webp">an HQ version</a> of it. Its copyright is PD text + trademark. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214162200-Cremastra-20250214162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162200-Cremastra-20250214162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162200-Cremastra-20250214162000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162300-Cremastra-20250214162000"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/20px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/30px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg/40px-Symbol_watching_blue_lashes.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy ping</b>: <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a>. Forgot to ping you! <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214162300-Cremastra-20250214162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162300-Cremastra-20250214162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214162300-Cremastra-20250214162000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250214162800-QuickQuokka-20250214162300"></span>Hm, I think that version will be harder because it's white. Is <a href="/wiki/File:Severance_logo.svg" title="File:Severance logo.svg">File:Severance logo.svg</a> okay, or is it too small? <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cremastra-20250214162800-QuickQuokka-20250214162300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250214162800-QuickQuokka-20250214162300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250214162800-QuickQuokka-20250214162300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214163200-Cremastra-20250214162800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a>:</span> I think I can do it too... I will use Inkscape's bitmap tracing. I'll create 2 paths, one with smoothing and one without, and basically Frankenstein them together to get a cleaner result. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214163200-Cremastra-20250214162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214163200-Cremastra-20250214162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214163200-Cremastra-20250214162800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cremastra-20250214163900-QuickQuokka-20250214163200"></span>Sounds good. <a href="/wiki/User:Cremastra" title="User:Cremastra">Cremastra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cremastra" title="User talk:Cremastra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cremastra-20250214163900-QuickQuokka-20250214163200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cremastra-20250214163900-QuickQuokka-20250214163200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cremastra-20250214163900-QuickQuokka-20250214163200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Al-20250214181200-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"></span>It's a custom-made font, not one. From one of the creators: "I drew a custom font inspired by Helvetica and Akzidenz and the dozens – hundreds? – of neo-grotesques that have been released in the decades since they appeared, but with its own slightly odd combination of details and characteristics." <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/severance/">https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/severance/</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Al" title="User talk:Just Al">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Al-20250214181200-QuickQuokka-20250214153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Al-20250214181200-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Al-20250214181200-QuickQuokka-20250214153300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214181500-Just_Al-20250214181200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Just_Al" title="User:Just Al">Just Al</a>:</span> So it is a bespoke font! Anyways, as you can see in the image, it bears a striking resemblance to the San Francisco typeface. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214181500-Just_Al-20250214181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214181500-Just_Al-20250214181200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214181500-Just_Al-20250214181200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214182300-Just_Al-20250214181200"></span>I've reached out to Apple, CHIPS, and Teddy Blanks asking whether they could provide me with official vectorized versions of the logo. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214182300-Just_Al-20250214181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214182300-Just_Al-20250214181200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214182300-Just_Al-20250214181200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_word_"Caucasian"" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_word_"Caucasian"-20250214171300"><span id="The_word_.22Caucasian.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_word_"Caucasian"-20250214171300"></span>The word "Caucasian"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_word_"Caucasian"-20250214171300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aspets-20250214171300-The_word_"Caucasian""></span>The word Caucasian properly refers to things relating to the Caucasus. In the US, however, (and apparently Canada and Singapore, going by Wiktionary) it can also refer to White people or Europeans or "Westerners" in general. Should I use this word on Wikipedia? If many sources use it, should I repeat the word or replace it with a synonym (are there any good synonyms to it?). Can it be easily mixed-up with Caucasian proper? I mean, they basically always can, right? It's a highly racial word, but then again, so is White, Black, African-American, "Western", and maybe even European. </p><p>Help would be greatly appreciated, cheers. </p><p>P.S. I do find it funny that when asking this question I was met with "<b>Note:</b> This page is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Semi-protection" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">semi-protected</a> so that only <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels#Autoconfirmed_users" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">autoconfirmed users</a> can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the <b>Teahouse</b>." <a href="/wiki/User:Aspets" title="User:Aspets">Aspets</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aspets" title="User talk:Aspets">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aspets-20250214171300-The_word_"Caucasian"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aspets-20250214171300-The_word_"Caucasian""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aspets-20250214171300-The_word_"Caucasian""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173100-Aspets-20250214171300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aspets" title="User:Aspets">Aspets</a>:</span> I can't answer your question about the term "Caucasian", but the current semi-protection is due to a relentless vandal who has nothing better to do with their life, making life harder for everybody else for no reason. Sorry for being so rude, it's just that I can't stand watching the Teahouse being restricted due to some random bored person. <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214173100-Aspets-20250214171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173100-Aspets-20250214171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173100-Aspets-20250214171300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shantavira-20250214191600-Aspets-20250214171300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aspets" title="User:Aspets">Aspets</a> The term <a href="/wiki/Caucasian" class="mw-disambig" title="Caucasian">Caucasian</a> has multiple meanings, which is why it is a disambiguation page. I see no reason why it shouldn't be used as long as the meaning is unambiguous. <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira" title="User talk:Shantavira"><sup>feed me</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20250214191600-Aspets-20250214171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shantavira-20250214191600-Aspets-20250214171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shantavira-20250214191600-Aspets-20250214171300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slowking_Man-20250215043800-Aspets-20250214171300"></span>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> use it, then use the term used by said sources, if and when the information is relevant, and cite those sources. You will rarely go wrong in editing if you keep in the forefront of your mind that Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">is supposed to summarize what reputable sources say about a topic.</a> And, refrain from bringing up biographical details when they're not contextually relevant: see <a href="/wiki/MOS:ETHNICITY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ETHNICITY">MOS:ETHNICITY</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Race_and_ethnicity" title="Wikipedia:Race and ethnicity">WP:Race and ethnicity</a> is an essay containing further thoughts from some editors on the general subject. --<a href="/wiki/User:Slowking_Man" title="User:Slowking Man">Slowking Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slowking_Man" title="User talk:Slowking Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Slowking_Man-20250215043800-Aspets-20250214171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slowking_Man-20250215043800-Aspets-20250214171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slowking_Man-20250215043800-Aspets-20250214171300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Curious_about_MediaWiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Curious_about_MediaWiki-20250214173400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Curious_about_MediaWiki-20250214173400"></span>Curious about MediaWiki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Curious_about_MediaWiki-20250214173400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173400-Curious_about_MediaWiki"></span>Hello! </p><p>I've noticed that recently, I've been getting notifications when people reply to me even when they don't <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> me. What changed in MediaWiki to enable this? I really like this change, because sometimes I forget to ping people too! </p><p>Thanks, <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214173400-Curious_about_MediaWiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173400-Curious_about_MediaWiki"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214173400-Curious_about_MediaWiki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20250214194300-QuickQuokka-20250214173400"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka">QuickQuokka</a>. Please always include an example. Maybe they did ping you according to the notification rules which require a user page link (my post is an example) but not any template like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. You might also have subscribed to the section. Then it should be listed at <a href="/wiki/Special:TopicSubscriptions" title="Special:TopicSubscriptions">Special:TopicSubscriptions</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20250214194300-QuickQuokka-20250214173400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20250214194300-QuickQuokka-20250214173400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20250214194300-QuickQuokka-20250214173400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214194800-PrimeHunter-20250214194300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a>:</span> Ahh, that's what that is! Got it! <span style="border-radius:99q;padding:0 7q;background:#103;border:3q solid #FBF"><a href="/wiki/User:QuickQuokka" title="User:QuickQuokka"><span style="color:#FBF"><b>QuickQuokka</b></span></a></span> <sup>[⁠<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuickQuokka" title="User talk:QuickQuokka">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka" title="Special:Contributions/QuickQuokka">contribs</a>]</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-QuickQuokka-20250214194800-PrimeHunter-20250214194300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QuickQuokka-20250214194800-PrimeHunter-20250214194300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QuickQuokka-20250214194800-PrimeHunter-20250214194300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inspiration" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inspiration-20250214201900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inspiration-20250214201900"></span>Inspiration<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inspiration-20250214201900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vestrix-20250214201900-Inspiration"></span>So I've kinda burned myself out. I don't know what articles I want to make and drafts that I've put my time into simply don't have enough coverage online for me to research and put into the article. Any ideas of how to enjoy editing again? <a href="/wiki/User:Vestrix" title="User:Vestrix">Vestrix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrix" title="User talk:Vestrix">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Vestrix-20250214201900-Inspiration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vestrix-20250214201900-Inspiration"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vestrix-20250214201900-Inspiration"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tarlby-20250214202400-Vestrix-20250214201900"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Vestrix" title="User:Vestrix">Vestrix</a>. You can always take a break from editing at any time and come back when the burn-out is gone. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIKIBREAK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIKIBREAK">WP:WIKIBREAK</a> for templates that alert editors to your wikibreak. <a href="/wiki/User:Tarlby" title="User:Tarlby"><span style="background-color:black;color:cyan;font-family:Comic Sans MS;"><i>Tarlby</i></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tarlby" title="User talk:Tarlby"><i>t</i></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tarlby" title="Special:Contributions/Tarlby"><i>c</i></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tarlby-20250214202400-Vestrix-20250214201900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tarlby-20250214202400-Vestrix-20250214201900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tarlby-20250214202400-Vestrix-20250214201900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vestrix-20250214225200-Tarlby-20250214202400"></span>Ok, thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Vestrix" title="User:Vestrix">Vestrix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrix" title="User talk:Vestrix">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Vestrix-20250214225200-Tarlby-20250214202400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vestrix-20250214225200-Tarlby-20250214202400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vestrix-20250214225200-Tarlby-20250214202400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)-20250214210600"><span id="Draft:Pilot_.28The_Flash.2C_1990_TV_series.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)-20250214210600"></span>Draft:Pilot (The Flash, 1990 TV series)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)-20250214210600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chance997-20250214210600-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)"></span>I had created an article about the first episode of <a href="/wiki/The_Flash_(1990_TV_series)" title="The Flash (1990 TV series)">the 1990 Flash television series</a>, and submitted it on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a>, but was declined because the submission was not adequately supported by reliable sources. Why was my article declined? <a href="/wiki/User:Chance997" title="User:Chance997">Chance997</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chance997" title="User talk:Chance997">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Chance997-20250214210600-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chance997-20250214210600-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chance997-20250214210600-Draft:Pilot_(The_Flash,_1990_TV_series)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100-Chance997-20250214210600"></span>Because the draft has zero citations. Please add citations to increase your chances of the draft being accepted. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivebeenhacked" title="User:Ivebeenhacked">Hacked</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivebeenhacked" title="User talk:Ivebeenhacked">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked" title="Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked">Contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100-Chance997-20250214210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100-Chance997-20250214210600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100-Chance997-20250214210600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chance997-20250214212500-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100"></span>So, I have to add some citations into the draft so that the article could be accepted? <a href="/wiki/User:Chance997" title="User:Chance997">Chance997</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chance997" title="User talk:Chance997">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Chance997-20250214212500-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chance997-20250214212500-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chance997-20250214212500-Ivebeenhacked-20250214211100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214212800-Chance997-20250214212500"></span>Yes, the draft will definitely have a better chance of being accepted. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivebeenhacked" title="User:Ivebeenhacked">Hacked</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivebeenhacked" title="User talk:Ivebeenhacked">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked" title="Special:Contributions/Ivebeenhacked">Contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214212800-Chance997-20250214212500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214212800-Chance997-20250214212500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivebeenhacked-20250214212800-Chance997-20250214212500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20250214214700-Chance997-20250214210600"></span>Writing a draft without first finding suitable sources (which meet all the criteria of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>) is like building a house without first building the foundations or even surveying the site to check that it is suitable to build on. You will inevitably have to go back and cite sources, and probably rebuild much of your draft, because if information in your draft cannot be verified from a reliable published source, the information must be removed; and for the bulk of the information, the source must be wholly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> of the subject of the article. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Backwards" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Backwards">backwards</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20250214214700-Chance997-20250214210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20250214214700-Chance997-20250214210600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20250214214700-Chance997-20250214210600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chance997-20250215000100-ColinFine-20250214214700"></span>I don't know how to add citations into the draft. Is there like any instructions that come along with them? <a href="/wiki/User:Chance997" title="User:Chance997">Chance997</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chance997" title="User talk:Chance997">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Chance997-20250215000100-ColinFine-20250214214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chance997-20250215000100-ColinFine-20250214214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chance997-20250215000100-ColinFine-20250214214700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250215051600-Chance997-20250215000100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chance997" title="User:Chance997">Chance997</a> See <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Help:Referencing for beginners</a>. But in a nutshell, you can click the cite button on the top-right corner of the toolbar if you are using the <a href="/wiki/Help:Visual_Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Visual Editor">Visual Editor</a> <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250215051600-Chance997-20250215000100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250215051600-Chance997-20250215000100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250215051600-Chance997-20250215000100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advice-20250214214000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advice-20250214214000"></span>Advice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advice-20250214214000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000-Advice"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church#Jurisdiction_of_the_patriarchate" title="Syriac Orthodox Church">Syriac Orthodox Church § Jurisdiction of the patriarchate</a> </p><p>Hi Teahouse, I am in a little bit of a conundrum. I and @<a href="/wiki/User:Warriorglance" title="User:Warriorglance">Warriorglance</a> have been improving the article to hopefully reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">GA</a>. The above linked section is a mess. <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon/sandbox2#Jurisdiction_of_the_patriarchate" title="User:CF-501 Falcon/sandbox2">This</a> is the best we have come up with. If we table all of the (arch)dioceses and vicariates it will take up a significant amount of space. What would be the best solution? Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CF-501_Falcon" title="Special:Contributions/CF-501 Falcon">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000-Advice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000-Advice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000-Advice"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250214223400-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000"></span>CF-501 Falcon</a>, very likely I'm even less than averagely informed about or interested in religions, but for whatever reason I don't even understand the heading "Jurisdiction of the patriarchate". I imagine that a quarter of an hour of reading around would educate me, but even then I probably wouldn't know what about it was significant and what wasn't. My guess is that few other editors of the Teahouse would be much better informed than I am. The article's talk page lists at the top the "WikiProjects" to which the article is thought to be relevant. I suggest that you look at the talk page of each of these, and post the question above to the one talk page among these that looks the liveliest (or the least moribund). Feel free to link from the other WikiProjects' talk pages to your newly posted question, but avoid doing so in any way that risks setting off a discussion in a third place (if we count this thread as the first). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250214223400-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250214223400-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250214223400-CF-501_Falcon-20250214214000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214233000-Hoary-20250214223400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a>, Thank you. "Jurisdiction of the patriarchate" means the area and people that the church’s leader, the <a href="/wiki/Patriarch_of_Antioch" title="Patriarch of Antioch">Patriarch</a>, is responsible for. It covers all the churches, communities, and regions (both historical and new ones formed by migration) that fall under his authority.</dd> <dd>I have posted at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity/Noticeboard" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard">WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard</a>. I will wait and see if anybody responds there or here (3 threads would get messy). Again, Thank you. Have a great day! <a href="/wiki/User:CF-501_Falcon" title="User:CF-501 Falcon">CF-501 Falcon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CF-501_Falcon" title="User talk:CF-501 Falcon">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CF-501_Falcon" title="Special:Contributions/CF-501 Falcon">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214233000-Hoary-20250214223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214233000-Hoary-20250214223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CF-501_Falcon-20250214233000-Hoary-20250214223400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?-20250214220800"><span id="Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?-20250214220800"></span>Is this ref code supposed to be visible?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?-20250214220800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?"></span>I came across an article for a publication titled <a href="/wiki/PinkNews" title="PinkNews">PinkNews</a> (left-wing news publication that largely covers LGBTQ+ issues and British parliamentary politics). The introductory paragraphs discussing the subject of the article are full of weird formatting, including a large chunk of italicized text that doesn't seem to have a reason to be like this (I think it was intended to be a direct quote, possibly...??), and a "</ref>" tag visible to non-editors in the text of the published article. I haven't read the rest of the article so I don't know if this occurs throughout the article or just in the introductory paragraphs, looks like maybe the wagging tail of a citation that got lost. I'm still a bit of a novice so I wanted to ask some more seasoned editors - is the text supposed to look this way, or does it need fixed? To be honest I'm reluctant to make edits because the topic of the article is currently the subject of controversy due to a scandal that I won't get into, but if the text is supposed to be formatted differently, I would like to help improve the readability. I just want to be absolutely sure first. I have no desire to add or remove anything from the article, I only want to fix the text display if it should be fixed. <a href="/wiki/User:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User:TradingSpousesWelsch">TradingSpousesWelsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TradingSpousesWelsch" title="User talk:TradingSpousesWelsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800-Is_this_ref_code_supposed_to_be_visible?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20250214221500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800"></span>Hi, thanks for reaching out. It looks like these issues were introduced in a string of edits today <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PinkNews&diff=1275731851&oldid=1265084989">[9]</a>. I'll take a look. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20250214221500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20250214221500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20250214221500-TradingSpousesWelsch-20250214220800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I_Do?" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I-20250215001500"><span id="My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors.2C_What_Do_I_Do.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I-20250215001500"></span>My Draft Article Was Published On Wikitia.com By One Of Their Editors, What Do I Do?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I-20250215001500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurodea108-20250215001500-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I"></span>I started working on my first article here, Draft: Josephine Semmes, last summer. I had to suspend work on it and only just got back to it within the last couple of days. (I've just resubmitted it.) I see that in the meantime, one of the "verified editors" at wikitia.com, User:MatthewSchwab, copied my draft wholesale (replete with TODOs) and published it as an article there. Besides the lack of credit to the actual editor (in this case, myself), the whole edit history is missing. The claim that the article is by a "verified editor" there is also meaningless. Is this kind of thing the usual practice of that website? What do Wikipedia editors do in such cases? <a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aurodea108" title="User talk:Aurodea108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aurodea108-20250215001500-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurodea108-20250215001500-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurodea108-20250215001500-My_Draft_Article_Was_Published_On_Wikitia.com_By_One_Of_Their_Editors,_What_Do_I"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LunaEclipse-20250215005600-Aurodea108-20250215001500"></span>Aurodea108</a>, there's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Standard_CC_BY-SA_violation_letter" title="Wikipedia:Standard CC BY-SA violation letter">a guide on how to contact people who have used Wikipedia's content without proper attribution</a>.<span id="LunaEclipse:1739580993151:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:LunaEclipse" title="User:LunaEclipse"><span style="color: purple;">🌙<b>Eclipse</b></span></a> (she/they/it/other <a href="/wiki/Neopronouns" class="mw-redirect" title="Neopronouns">neos</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:LunaEclipse" title="User talk:LunaEclipse">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse" title="Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse">edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LunaEclipse-20250215005600-Aurodea108-20250215001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LunaEclipse-20250215005600-Aurodea108-20250215001500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LunaEclipse-20250215005600-Aurodea108-20250215001500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurodea108-20250215021300-LunaEclipse-20250215005600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LunaEclipse" title="User:LunaEclipse">LunaEclipse</a> Thank you for your response. I had overlooked the following text at a smaller size at the bottom of the page:</dd> <dd>"This article "Josephine Semmes" is from Wikipedia. The list of its authors can be seen in its historical. Articles taken from Draft Namespace on Wikipedia could be accessed on Wikipedia's Draft Namespace."</dd> <dd>In the footer of the page it says "Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike. Some of Wikitia's pages are sourced from Wikipedia.org's Mainspace and Draftspace. Wikitia is not affiliated to Wikimedia Foundation, unless otherwise noted."</dd> <dd>It appears then that perhaps I was too hasty, and that publication is in compliance. <a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aurodea108" title="User talk:Aurodea108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aurodea108-20250215021300-LunaEclipse-20250215005600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurodea108-20250215021300-LunaEclipse-20250215005600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurodea108-20250215021300-LunaEclipse-20250215005600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LunaEclipse-20250215021900-Aurodea108-20250215021300"></span>Makes sense. I wasn't familiar with the website you were talking about, but all is good. They attributed your work.<span id="LunaEclipse:1739585955087:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:LunaEclipse" title="User:LunaEclipse"><span style="color: purple;">🌙<b>Eclipse</b></span></a> (she/they/it/other <a href="/wiki/Neopronouns" class="mw-redirect" title="Neopronouns">neos</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:LunaEclipse" title="User talk:LunaEclipse">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse" title="Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse">edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LunaEclipse-20250215021900-Aurodea108-20250215021300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LunaEclipse-20250215021900-Aurodea108-20250215021300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LunaEclipse-20250215021900-Aurodea108-20250215021300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900-LunaEclipse-20250215021900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> There are over 700 current <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks" title="Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks">mirrors and forks</a> of Wikipedia, as explained at that link. Some don't follow the rules of our <a href="/wiki/Creative_commons" class="mw-redirect" title="Creative commons">creative commons</a> license but many do. There were even sites like <a href="/wiki/Deletionpedia" title="Deletionpedia">deletionpedia</a> which deliberately copied material that we deleted as unsuitable. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900-LunaEclipse-20250215021900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900-LunaEclipse-20250215021900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900-LunaEclipse-20250215021900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aurodea108-20250216043000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> Ah yes, now I understand. Thank you both. <a href="/wiki/User:Aurodea108" title="User:Aurodea108">Aurodea108</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aurodea108" title="User talk:Aurodea108">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Aurodea108-20250216043000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aurodea108-20250216043000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aurodea108-20250216043000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250215124900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page-20250215062200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page-20250215062200"></span>Help on creating a disambiguation page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page-20250215062200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Srihan123-20250215062200-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page"></span>I'd like to add a disambiguation page to <a href="/wiki/Nine_Circles" title="Nine Circles">Nine Circles</a> mainly because Zobros created a song called "Nine Circles". <a href="/wiki/User:Srihan123" title="User:Srihan123">Srihan123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srihan123" title="User talk:Srihan123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Srihan123-20250215062200-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Srihan123-20250215062200-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Srihan123-20250215062200-Help_on_creating_a_disambiguation_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250215073100-Srihan123-20250215062200"></span>There is no article titled "Zobros", <a href="/wiki/User:Srihan123" title="User:Srihan123">Srihan123</a>. Are you intending to create an article about it/them? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250215073100-Srihan123-20250215062200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250215073100-Srihan123-20250215062200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250215073100-Srihan123-20250215062200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citation-20250215062400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citation-20250215062400"></span>Citation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citation-20250215062400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400-Citation"></span>Hello.I am unable to create a citation. <a href="/wiki/User:Gamerboykarl" title="User:Gamerboykarl">Gamerboykarl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamerboykarl" title="User talk:Gamerboykarl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400-Citation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400-Citation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400-Citation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gamerboykarl" title="User:Gamerboykarl"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250215063700-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400"></span>Gamerboykarl</a>, how to cite? Please go to <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Help:Introduction</a> and click on either the link to "Referencing" under "Source editor", or the link to "Referencing" under "Visual editor", depending of course on which of the two you use. (If you use the "Wikipedia app", I have no idea, sorry. But from what little I've heard about it, I suggest that you instead use either the "source" or the "visual" editor.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250215063700-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250215063700-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250215063700-Gamerboykarl-20250215062400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300-Hoary-20250215063700"></span>ok bro. thanks for help, though it is pretty confusing <a href="/wiki/User:Gamerboykarl" title="User:Gamerboykarl">Gamerboykarl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamerboykarl" title="User talk:Gamerboykarl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300-Hoary-20250215063700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300-Hoary-20250215063700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300-Hoary-20250215063700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215071400-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"></span>At any article, click on Edit at the top. This will show how references are formatted. You could copy a section with a few references into your Sandbox, then replace the content with your refs content. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215071400-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215071400-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215071400-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Gamerboykarl" title="User:Gamerboykarl"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250215074300-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"></span>Gamerboykarl</a>, let's look at the article <a href="/wiki/Nine_Circles" title="Nine Circles">Nine Circles</a> (as it's mentioned in the thread immediately above). The sourcing is rather feeble, but for what each reference is worth, it's formatted more or less competently. Sample: <dl><dd><cite>...met Lidia Fiala, who already wrote poems and lyrics since she was 15 years old.<ref name=biography>{{cite web|url=http://home.arcor.de/nine.circles/biography.htm |title=Nine Circles Biography|publisher=Nine Circles |accessdate=2013-10-06}}</ref></cite></dd></dl></dd> <dd>(Within that, "publisher" had better be "website", I think. The far greater problem is that so much about Nine Circles in their Wikipedia article depends on what was said by Nine Circles themselves. This of course isn't at all an independent source, and thus (i) may be promotional rather than straightforwardly informative, and (ii) doesn't help to show the <i>notability</i> of Nine Circles.) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250215074300-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250215074300-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250215074300-Gamerboykarl-20250215064300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Single_source_issues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Single_source_issues-20250215075500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Single_source_issues-20250215075500"></span>Single source issues<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Single_source_issues-20250215075500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500-Single_source_issues"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Resolved</div></div> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Ish_Kevin" title="Ish Kevin">Ish Kevin</a><br/> I've been working on this article for a bit now and I've noticed an emerging problem with the article largely relying on a single source, <a href="/wiki/The_New_Times_(Rwanda)" title="The New Times (Rwanda)">The New Times</a>. It does meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> with significant coverage from <a href="/wiki/The_Native" title="The Native">The Native</a> and Pan African Music and also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NMUSICBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NMUSICBIO">WP:NMUSICBIO</a> under criteria 7, as he is cited as the leader of the Kinyatrap movement (a local rap scene in Rwanda), but nearly all news articles about Ish Kevin come from The New Times, specifically the author Emmanuel Gatera. The article has become overly reliant one it for career information, and I'm concerned it may destabilize one of the content policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>. Can someone offer me advice on this? If so, it would be highly appreciated. —<a href="/wiki/User:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User:Sparkle & Fade"><i>Sparkle and Fade</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User talk:Sparkle & Fade">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="Special:Contributions/Sparkle & Fade">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500-Single_source_issues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500-Single_source_issues"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500-Single_source_issues"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20250215092500-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Sparkle_%26_Fade" title="User:Sparkle & Fade">Sparkle & Fade</a>. Although Gatera is cited repeatedly in that article, I also see four other authors cited. I am not familiar with the topic area, but it seems to me that notability is established by citing five different music writers, and it is not surprising that in a relatively small country like Rwanda, Gatera would be, in effect, the "world's foremost authority" on Kevin. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20250215092500-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20250215092500-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20250215092500-Sparkle_&_Fade-20250215075500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Accidental_Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Accidental_Edit-20250215084700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Accidental_Edit-20250215084700"></span>Accidental Edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Accidental_Edit-20250215084700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AyoWth-20250215084700-Accidental_Edit"></span>Hello. I was adding redirects for certain Wikipedia pages, but then I realized I made an accidental redirect for the wrong page. How do I fix this? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AyoWth&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AyoWth (page does not exist)">AyoWth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AyoWth" title="User talk:AyoWth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AyoWth-20250215084700-Accidental_Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AyoWth-20250215084700-Accidental_Edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AyoWth-20250215084700-Accidental_Edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meters-20250215085400-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span>I've tagged <a href="/w/index.php?title=Dona_Ana_County,_Texas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Dona Ana County, Texas (page does not exist)">Dona Ana County, Texas</a> with a speedy deletion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G6" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G6">WP:G6</a> for you. <a href="/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Meters-20250215085400-AyoWth-20250215084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meters-20250215085400-AyoWth-20250215084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meters-20250215085400-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meters-20250215085700-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span>You could also have just blanked it, or tagged it as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G7">WP:G7</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Meters-20250215085700-AyoWth-20250215084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meters-20250215085700-AyoWth-20250215084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meters-20250215085700-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meters-20250215091000-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span>Hmm... if what you meant to do was instead create a redirect from <a href="/wiki/Dona_Ana_County,_New_Mexico" class="mw-redirect" title="Dona Ana County, New Mexico">Dona Ana County, New Mexico</a> to <a href="/wiki/Do%C3%B1a_Ana_County,_New_Mexico" title="Doña Ana County, New Mexico">Doña Ana County, New Mexico</a>, that redirect already exists. Next time please link to the article or edit in question. See <a href="/wiki/H:WIKILINK" class="mw-redirect" title="H:WIKILINK">H:WIKILINK</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:D%26L" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:D&L">WP:D&L</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Meters-20250215091000-AyoWth-20250215084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meters-20250215091000-AyoWth-20250215084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meters-20250215091000-AyoWth-20250215084700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sockpuppetry" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sockpuppetry-20250215112900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sockpuppetry-20250215112900"></span>Sockpuppetry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sockpuppetry-20250215112900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215112900-Sockpuppetry"></span>Hey, need checkusers help, i see some suspicious activities associated with this user -- <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7</a>, The edits seems to be copyrighted and incidents of Sockpuppetry have been noticed! <a href="/wiki/User:Christthesaviour" title="User:Christthesaviour">Christthesaviour</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christthesaviour" title="User talk:Christthesaviour">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Christthesaviour-20250215112900-Sockpuppetry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215112900-Sockpuppetry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Christthesaviour-20250215112900-Sockpuppetry"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250215120600-Christthesaviour-20250215112900"></span>Why then, <a href="/wiki/User:Christthesaviour" title="User:Christthesaviour">Christthesaviour</a>, post <i>specifics</i> of these "suspicious activities associated with this user" to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>. But expect scrutiny of your own (meagre and strange) list of contributions. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250215120600-Christthesaviour-20250215112900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250215120600-Christthesaviour-20250215112900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250215120600-Christthesaviour-20250215112900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215124000-Hoary-20250215120600"></span>Your attempt to start a sock puppet investigation at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JesusisGreat7" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JesusisGreat7">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JesusisGreat7</a> reads that you are accusing your account of being a sock of JesusisGreat7. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215124000-Hoary-20250215120600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215124000-Hoary-20250215120600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215124000-Hoary-20250215120600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215125300-David_notMD-20250215124000"></span>the account associated to be a sockpuppet of is <a href="/wiki/User:Whatif222" title="User:Whatif222">User:Whatif222</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Christthesaviour" title="User:Christthesaviour">Christthesaviour</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christthesaviour" title="User talk:Christthesaviour">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Christthesaviour-20250215125300-David_notMD-20250215124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215125300-David_notMD-20250215124000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Christthesaviour-20250215125300-David_notMD-20250215124000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Whatif222" title="User:Whatif222"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215130200-Christthesaviour-20250215125300"></span>User:Whatif222</a> was indefinitely blocked on 30 November 2024 and <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">User:JesusisGreat7</a> started editing on the same date. Is there other evidence such as both accounts having edited the same articles, that raises a suspicion of a block evasion? <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215130200-Christthesaviour-20250215125300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215130200-Christthesaviour-20250215125300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215130200-Christthesaviour-20250215125300"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/John_Cameron_Lowrie" title="John Cameron Lowrie"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215130900-David_notMD-20250215130200"></span>John Cameron Lowrie</a>, I found the incident where both the suspected accounts have edited the article, seems like a block evasion, how can both the users get the same article for editing?? <a href="/wiki/User:Christthesaviour" title="User:Christthesaviour">Christthesaviour</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christthesaviour" title="User talk:Christthesaviour">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Christthesaviour-20250215130900-David_notMD-20250215130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Christthesaviour-20250215130900-David_notMD-20250215130200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Christthesaviour-20250215130900-David_notMD-20250215130200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215161900-Sockpuppetry"></span>The SPI was closed with a finding of insufficient evidence of sock puppet or block evasion. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215161900-Sockpuppetry" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215161900-Sockpuppetry"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215161900-Sockpuppetry"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirecting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirecting-20250215142800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirecting-20250215142800"></span>Redirecting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirecting-20250215142800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FeistyRooster-20250215142800-Redirecting"></span>I am thinking about redirecting the title <a href="/wiki/Administrative_geography_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly" class="mw-redirect" title="Administrative geography of the Isles of Scilly">Administrative geography of the Isles of Scilly</a> to a section in the article <a href="/wiki/Isles_of_Scilly" title="Isles of Scilly">Isles of Scilly</a>. I have looked over 3 sections that I could redirect this title to, including to another Wikipedia page. </p><p>One of the three is <a href="/wiki/Isles_of_Scilly#Local_government" title="Isles of Scilly">the Local government section of Isles of Scilly</a>. The reason is because it links to administrative geography and talks about governance. </p><p>Another is <a href="/wiki/Isles_of_Scilly#Administration" title="Isles of Scilly">the Administration section of Isles of Scilly</a>, which I made myself. The reason is because it talks about the administration and the status and council. That section is not very long, I do not expect people to expand it to consider this redirect, but this is just a suggestion. </p><p>Another is the <a href="/wiki/Council_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly" title="Council of the Isles of Scilly">Council of the Isles of Scilly</a> article. The reason is because the entire article is based on the administrative geography of the Isles of Scilly. </p><p>These are all sections and articles that are worth redirecting this title. I await your opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:FeistyRooster" title="User:FeistyRooster">FeistyRooster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FeistyRooster" title="User talk:FeistyRooster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FeistyRooster-20250215142800-Redirecting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FeistyRooster-20250215142800-Redirecting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FeistyRooster-20250215142800-Redirecting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redtree21-20250215150700-FeistyRooster-20250215142800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FeistyRooster" title="User:FeistyRooster">FeistyRooster</a>:</span> Thanks for your question. It is up to you, but my recommendation is to redirect to <a href="/wiki/Isles_of_Scilly#Government" title="Isles of Scilly">Isles of Scilly#Government</a>. Looking through this section of the article, I can see that multiple subsections within this section have information that could be judged as relating to administrative geography. This is just my suggestion though, totally fine if you think differently. <a href="/wiki/User:Redtree21" title="User:Redtree21">Redtree21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redtree21" title="User talk:Redtree21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Redtree21-20250215150700-FeistyRooster-20250215142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redtree21-20250215150700-FeistyRooster-20250215142800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redtree21-20250215150700-FeistyRooster-20250215142800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FeistyRooster-20250215152300-Redtree21-20250215150700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redtree21" title="User:Redtree21">Redtree21</a>: Thank you for your suggestion. I do not mind any of the three choices so I will go ahead and propose a redirect. Thank you once again. <a href="/wiki/User:FeistyRooster" title="User:FeistyRooster">FeistyRooster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FeistyRooster" title="User talk:FeistyRooster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FeistyRooster-20250215152300-Redtree21-20250215150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FeistyRooster-20250215152300-Redtree21-20250215150700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FeistyRooster-20250215152300-Redtree21-20250215150700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redtree21-20250216050600-FeistyRooster-20250215152300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FeistyRooster" title="User:FeistyRooster">FeistyRooster</a>:</span> No problems at all, very happy to help. <a href="/wiki/User:Redtree21" title="User:Redtree21">Redtree21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redtree21" title="User talk:Redtree21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Redtree21-20250216050600-FeistyRooster-20250215152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redtree21-20250216050600-FeistyRooster-20250215152300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redtree21-20250216050600-FeistyRooster-20250215152300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="No_article_about_Barron_Trump" data-mw-thread-id="h-No_article_about_Barron_Trump-20250215202200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_article_about_Barron_Trump-20250215202200"></span>No article about Barron Trump<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_article_about_Barron_Trump-20250215202200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200-No_article_about_Barron_Trump"></span>First of all, not entirely sure if this is a question I should be asking here on the talk page for <a href="/wiki/Family_of_Donald_Trump" title="Family of Donald Trump">Family of Donald Trump</a>, but why doesn't Wikipedia have an article about Barron Trump, when we have articles about all of Trump's other kids? <a href="/wiki/User:RedactedHumanoid" title="User:RedactedHumanoid">RedactedHumanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedactedHumanoid" title="User talk:RedactedHumanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200-No_article_about_Barron_Trump" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200-No_article_about_Barron_Trump"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200-No_article_about_Barron_Trump"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20250215203500-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"></span>Notability is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED">not inherited</a>. Barron needs to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIO">notable</a> on his own. There is <a href="/wiki/Draft:Barron_Trump" title="Draft:Barron Trump">Draft:Barron Trump</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20250215203500-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20250215203500-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20250215203500-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215204600-331dot-20250215203500"></span>Oh yeah I forgot about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED">WP:NOTINHERITED</a>, thanks for reminding me. <a href="/wiki/User:RedactedHumanoid" title="User:RedactedHumanoid">RedactedHumanoid</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedactedHumanoid" title="User talk:RedactedHumanoid">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215204600-331dot-20250215203500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215204600-331dot-20250215203500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedactedHumanoid-20250215204600-331dot-20250215203500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Skynxnex-20250215221400-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"></span>You may also find <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Barron_Trump" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Barron_Trump_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump (2nd nomination)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Barron_Trump_(3rd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump (3rd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump (3rd nomination)</a> (most recent one from last June which closed as redirect) useful for reference. <a href="/wiki/User:Skynxnex" title="User:Skynxnex">Skynxnex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skynxnex" title="User talk:Skynxnex">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Skynxnex-20250215221400-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Skynxnex-20250215221400-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Skynxnex-20250215221400-RedactedHumanoid-20250215202200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_Draft_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_Draft_Page-20250215231300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_Draft_Page-20250215231300"></span>My Draft Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_Draft_Page-20250215231300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PathHigh-20250215231300-My_Draft_Page"></span>I made a page(More like Draft) named Most Viewed NCS Songs and submitted it for review but it was declined. I don't really know what to do since I am new here . <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PathHigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PathHigh (page does not exist)">PathHigh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PathHigh" title="User talk:PathHigh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PathHigh-20250215231300-My_Draft_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PathHigh-20250215231300-My_Draft_Page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PathHigh-20250215231300-My_Draft_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Draft:Most_Viewed_NCS_Songs" title="Draft:Most Viewed NCS Songs"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215232800-PathHigh-20250215231300"></span>Draft:Most Viewed NCS Songs</a> is wgatr tgus is aboyut. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215232800-PathHigh-20250215231300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215232800-PathHigh-20250215231300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215232800-PathHigh-20250215231300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20250215232900-PathHigh-20250215231300"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PathHigh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PathHigh (page does not exist)">PathHigh</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse.</dd> <dd>In order to write an article about "Most viewed" anything you will need to start with several reliable published sources each of which discusses the topic of "most viewed" whatever. Simply listing the items and numbers is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Original research">original research</a>, even if your sources were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reliable">reliable</a>, and few or none of yours are. (Specifically, Wikis such as fandom - and Wikipedia - are almost never acceptable as sources because they are user-generated. And most YouTube videos are not reliable - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUTUBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YOUTUBE">WP:YOUTUBE</a>.</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20250215232900-PathHigh-20250215231300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20250215232900-PathHigh-20250215231300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20250215232900-PathHigh-20250215231300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250215233500-ColinFine-20250215232900"></span>FYI: NCS stands for NoCopyrightSounds, a British record label that releases royalty-free electronic dance music. As CF states, your making a list ranked by views and likes is original research, and your 'references' to YouTubes of the music do not confirm any ranking. I strongly recommend you request the draft be deleted by putting Db-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250215233500-ColinFine-20250215232900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250215233500-ColinFine-20250215232900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250215233500-ColinFine-20250215232900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO" data-mw-thread-id="h-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO-20250216000600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO-20250216000600"></span>Guard Brigades of the HVO<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO-20250216000600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO"></span>Hi, in the “Guard Brigades” section of the <a href="/wiki/Croatian_Defence_Council" title="Croatian Defence Council">HVO</a>, there are 4 links to pages that don’t exist on English Wikipedia, but do on Croatian Wikipedia. These links are: <a class="external free" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/4._gardijska_brigada_%22Sinovi_Posavine%22">https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/4._gardijska_brigada_%22Sinovi_Posavine%22</a> 4th Guard Brigade “Sons of Posavina”, <a class="external free" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/3._gardijska_brigada_Jastrebovi">https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/3._gardijska_brigada_Jastrebovi</a> 3rd Guard Brigade “Hawks”, <a class="external free" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/2._gardijska_brigada_HVO">https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/2._gardijska_brigada_HVO</a> 2nd Guard Brigade “Snakelike”, and <a class="external free" href="https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1._gardijska_brigada_Ante_Bruno_Bu%C5%A1i%C4%87">https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1._gardijska_brigada_Ante_Bruno_Bu%C5%A1i%C4%87</a> 1st Guard Brigade “Ante Bruno Bušić” </p><p>If someone could link these links to the Guard Brigades section, I’d really appreciate it. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:OSHAViolation" title="User:OSHAViolation">OSHAViolation</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OSHAViolation" title="User talk:OSHAViolation">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-Guard_Brigades_of_the_HVO"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:OSHAViolation" title="User:OSHAViolation">OSHAViolation</a>:</span> It looks like an IP account tried to link to the corresponding Croatian Wikipedia articles for those subject, but did so incorrectly; another editor seems to have misunderstood what the IP wanted to do and reverted the IP. You can re-add the links yourself by following the guidance given in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ILL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ILL">WP:ILL</a> and using the template <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Ill" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ill">ill</a>}}</code>. The basic syntax is <code>{{ill|English Wikipedia name|two-letter language code|Croatian Wikipedia article name}}</code>. For reference, the two-letter language code for Croation Wikipedia is "hr". If an article with the same English Wikipedia name already exists, you will need to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DAB">disambiguate</a> the English Wikipedia article name you want to use and then use the parameter <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|lt=</code> (this is explained on the "ill" template's documentation page) for the English Wikipedia link name you want readers to see; if you don't do this, the link will go to the existing Wikipedia article with the same name and not the corresponding Croatian Wikipedia article.-- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-1"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dieter_Lloyd_Wexler" title="User:Dieter Lloyd Wexler">Dieter Lloyd Wexler</a>:</span> Just for reference, the edits you reverted <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/Dieter_Lloyd_Wexler/1275941409" title="Special:Diff/Dieter Lloyd Wexler/1275941409">here</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VAN#NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VAN">weren't really vandalism</a>; they appear to be a good-faith attempt at trying to cross wiki-link to corresponding articles of another language Wikipedia. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250216005600-OSHAViolation-20250216000600-1"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Afd_nominations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Afd_nominations-20250216010100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Afd_nominations-20250216010100"></span>Afd nominations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Afd_nominations-20250216010100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RossEvans19-20250216010100-Afd_nominations"></span>I've recently been using Twinkle to nominate a lot of poor Japanese footballer articles. I was wondering how many is too many to nominate at once? I did 9 yesterday and that feels like quite a lot for now. <a href="/wiki/User:RossEvans19" title="User:RossEvans19">RossEvans19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RossEvans19" title="User talk:RossEvans19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RossEvans19-20250216010100-Afd_nominations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RossEvans19-20250216010100-Afd_nominations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RossEvans19-20250216010100-Afd_nominations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250216013600-RossEvans19-20250216010100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RossEvans19" title="User:RossEvans19">RossEvans19</a>:</span> I don't think there's a brightline number per se; if, however, you're asking "how many is too much", then perhaps you should slow down and wait to see what happens with the ones you've already nominated. AfD isn't really a race where speed matter; so, nominating lots of articles (particularly lots of the same type an article) within a short span of time might give others the impression that you're not properly doing a thorough <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>. AfD discussions can sometimes get contentious, and this is especially so when others think nominations are frivilous or otherwise not well-thought out. You need to remember that things like "Twinkle" can make repetitive tasks quite easy to do, but you're also responsible for any edit you make using them. If, by chance, it turns out the one or more of the articles you already nominated end up being kept, then perhaps you were moving too fast. Just a suggestion, but maybe it would be a good idea to discuss any articles who feel should be deleted first at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:FOOTY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:FOOTY">WT:FOOTY</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:JAPAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:JAPAN">WT:JAPAN</a> because maybe the members of those WikiProjects can help with BEFORE. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250216013600-RossEvans19-20250216010100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250216013600-RossEvans19-20250216010100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250216013600-RossEvans19-20250216010100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RossEvans19-20250216014100-Marchjuly-20250216013600"></span>That's a good point - this is a situation where I need to slow down and be patient, which I'm not great at xD - I'll keep that in mind for future nominations, as I came across a few articles I was unsure if they should be kept or not. Thanks for the advice! :)) <a href="/wiki/User:RossEvans19" title="User:RossEvans19">RossEvans19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RossEvans19" title="User talk:RossEvans19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RossEvans19-20250216014100-Marchjuly-20250216013600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RossEvans19-20250216014100-Marchjuly-20250216013600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RossEvans19-20250216014100-Marchjuly-20250216013600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:RossEvans19" title="User:RossEvans19"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250216014400-RossEvans19-20250216014100"></span></a>Please remember that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTEMPORARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTEMPORARY">Wikipedia notability isn't temporary</a> and doesn't go away over time; in addition, the lack of sourcing in an article <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEXIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEXIST">doesn't automatically mean something isn't Wikipedia notable</a>. Some Japanese footballers might have been covered in reliable sources in languages other than English; so, it's probably a good idea to check on such things before nominating any articles for deletion. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250216014400-RossEvans19-20250216014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250216014400-RossEvans19-20250216014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250216014400-RossEvans19-20250216014100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RossEvans19-20250216014600-Marchjuly-20250216014400"></span>I've checked on the Japanese wikipedia during my searching, along with other areas, and the ones I've nominated are poor articles of players who've played less than 10 games years ago - I do struggle with "offline searching" - I'm not entirely sure how to search for that. <a href="/wiki/User:RossEvans19" title="User:RossEvans19">RossEvans19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RossEvans19" title="User talk:RossEvans19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RossEvans19-20250216014600-Marchjuly-20250216014400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RossEvans19-20250216014600-Marchjuly-20250216014400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RossEvans19-20250216014600-Marchjuly-20250216014400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217061700-RossEvans19-20250216014600"></span>You can't really, unless you happen to have books/articles on it laying around, I would suggest that you look at the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/">Internet Archive</a> as they may have some stuff that you could use. It maybe difficult though, unless you know Japanese (which you may if you are checking the Japanese WP.). <a href="/wiki/User:Sheriff_U3" title="User:Sheriff U3">Sheriff U3</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sheriff_U3" title="User talk:Sheriff U3">Talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sheriff_U3" title="Special:Contributions/Sheriff U3">Con</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sheriff_U3-20250217061700-RossEvans19-20250216014600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217061700-RossEvans19-20250216014600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217061700-RossEvans19-20250216014600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Global_contribs" data-mw-thread-id="h-Global_contribs-20250216044400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Global_contribs-20250216044400"></span>Global contribs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Global_contribs-20250216044400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250216044400-Global_contribs"></span>When I try to access my global contributions, it shows me an error on the top. Retrying doesn't do much to fix this issue. How can I fix this? <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250216044400-Global_contribs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250216044400-Global_contribs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250216044400-Global_contribs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250216064400-Justjourney-20250216044400"></span>What is the error that's shown? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250216064400-Justjourney-20250216044400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250216064400-Justjourney-20250216044400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250216064400-Justjourney-20250216044400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900-Justjourney-20250216044400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> When I go to your contributions page and click on the "global contributions" link at the foot <a class="external text" href="https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=Justjourney">I get this</a>, which is what I would expect. Does the link here work for you? If not, we need to know the precise error message and other information such as your device, operating system and browser. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900-Justjourney-20250216044400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900-Justjourney-20250216044400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900-Justjourney-20250216044400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250216153300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900"></span>It's when I go to <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Justjourney" title="Special:Contributions/Justjourney">Special:Contributions/Justjourney</a>, then click on the "global contributions" link in the line "Results for Justjourney". I get "Error loading data from some wikis. These results are incomplete. It may help to try again." Direct link: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalContributions/Justjourney" class="extiw" title="meta:Special:GlobalContributions/Justjourney">meta:Special:GlobalContributions/Justjourney</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250216153300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250216153300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250216153300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216143900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500-Justjourney-20250216153300"></span>Yes, I get the same error using the direct meta link <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalContributions/Michael_D._Turnbull">on my own username</a>, while the toolforge link <a class="external text" href="https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=Michael+D.+Turnbull">to my global contributions</a> works fine. So it seems to be a problem with the meta link, rather than us. If you want to report the bug, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">WP:VPT</a> may be the place to do so (I'm not sure if they deal with problems on meta). <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500-Justjourney-20250216153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500-Justjourney-20250216153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500-Justjourney-20250216153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250217025200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500"></span>They have the bug report on Phabricator <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384717">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384717</a>. Asking the discord server got me this link. <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250217025200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250217025200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250217025200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20250216162500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025200"></span>and <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384717">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T384717</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025300"></span>this one actually: <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385377">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T385377</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250217025300-Justjourney-20250217025300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions-20250216050200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions-20250216050200"></span>Question about responding to talk page disscussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions-20250216050200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250216050200-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions"></span>If I want to respond to talk page discussions with words like "Keep" or "Delete" in discussion places like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFD">WP:RFD</a>, do I use the simple three single quotes (<code>'''TEXTHERE'''</code>), or do I use the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Strong" title="Template:Strong">Strong</a>}}</code> template as referred to at <a href="/wiki/MOS:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:BOLD">MOS:BOLD</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250216050200-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250216050200-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250216050200-Question_about_responding_to_talk_page_disscussions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250216064200-Justjourney-20250216050200"></span>Whichever. In this context, it will make no difference. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250216064200-Justjourney-20250216050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250216064200-Justjourney-20250216050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250216064200-Justjourney-20250216050200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazza_7-20250216104000-Hoary-20250216064200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a>: Not strictly true. The three-quotes method encloses the text in non-semantic HTML "bold" tags (<code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><b></code>); whereas <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Strong" title="Template:Strong">strong</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> encloses the text in semantic HTML "strong" tags (<code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><strong></code>). The former is for visual presentation only; the latter assigns semantic meaning to the enclosed text, which may be printed, displayed, sounded or otherwise presented differently to surrounding text. See <a href="/wiki/HTML_element#Inline_elements" title="HTML element">HTML element § Inline elements</a>.</dd> <dd>The established use of "bold" rather than "strong" in this particular instance is not ideal (why <em>is</em> it being used?), but as a long-term bad habit may be difficult to change. <a href="/wiki/User:Bazza_7" title="User:Bazza 7">Bazza <span style="color:grey">7</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazza_7" title="User talk:Bazza 7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Bazza_7-20250216104000-Hoary-20250216064200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazza_7-20250216104000-Hoary-20250216064200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazza_7-20250216104000-Hoary-20250216064200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Bazza_7" title="User:Bazza 7"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250216221400-Bazza_7-20250216104000"></span>Bazza 7</a>, you are right. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Strong" title="Template:Strong">strong</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> would be better, for the very reason you give. But using this anomalously (while easily >95% of one's fellow "¬voters" use triple apostrophes and thereby <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><b>...</b></code>) doesn't strike me as likely to have any beneficial effect. This is regrettable, but at least triple apostrophes aren't so very widely used and don't risk misinterpretation. Contrast that with double apostrophes (used <em>many</em> times within many articles): These are converted to <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><i>...</i></code>: which has not only the defects of <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><b>...</b></code> but also ambiguity between emphasis (better specified with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><em>...</em></code>) and book title or similar (better specified with <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><cite>...</cite></code>). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250216221400-Bazza_7-20250216104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250216221400-Bazza_7-20250216104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250216221400-Bazza_7-20250216104000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Acer-the-Protogen-20250216135800-Justjourney-20250216050200"></span>Honestly, I just click the "<i><b><u>A</u></b></i>" symbol > Bold. That's what I do, and it works fine. (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Acer-the-Protogen" title="User talk:Acer-the-Protogen">Acer's Communication Receptacle | <small>what did I do now</small></a>) | (PS: Have a good day) (acer was here) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Acer-the-Protogen-20250216135800-Justjourney-20250216050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Acer-the-Protogen-20250216135800-Justjourney-20250216050200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Acer-the-Protogen-20250216135800-Justjourney-20250216050200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_Approval" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_Approval-20250216071000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_Approval-20250216071000"></span>Article Approval<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_Approval-20250216071000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kenjal93-20250216071000-Article_Approval"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/20px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/30px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/89/Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg/40px-Symbol_redirect_vote2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a></span> <b>Courtesy link:</b> <a href="/wiki/Draft:King_Group_Hospitality" title="Draft:King Group Hospitality">Draft:King Group Hospitality</a> </p><p>I am trying to get this live but it was rejected. wanted to understand why and if anyone can help me figure <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kenjal93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kenjal93 (page does not exist)">Kenjal93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kenjal93" title="User talk:Kenjal93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kenjal93-20250216071000-Article_Approval" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kenjal93-20250216071000-Article_Approval"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kenjal93-20250216071000-Article_Approval"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500-Kenjal93-20250216071000"></span>I've responded to this user on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help" title="Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help">IRC</a>; the draft is promotional in tone and the sourcing is terrible, with the lion's share of it failing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CORPDEPTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CORPDEPTH">WP:CORPDEPTH</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500-Kenjal93-20250216071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500-Kenjal93-20250216071000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500-Kenjal93-20250216071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250216093300-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500"></span>Actualy, declined (twice) which is not as severe as rejected, but the draft is so peppered with promotional wording that it has no potential to succeed. Examples: specializes, authentic, traditional, rich, buttery, delicacies, fresh take, both flavor and heartiness, creamy, redefining perceptions, best of Chinese and Indian cuisine, unique fusion, spicy, flavorful, favorite, appreciate bold and savory flavors. None of this is neutral point of view. Rather, it is all restaurant-review speak. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250216093300-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250216093300-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250216093300-Jéské_Couriano-20250216071500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"></span>Unicode code points in wikitext<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216201700"><span id="Gentlemen.2C_you_can.27t_.22chat.22_in_here.3B_this_is_the_tearoom"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216201700"></span>Gentlemen, you can't "chat" in here; this is the tearoom<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216201700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20250216201700-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom"></span>Before I get to my question, upon trying to ask it here, I got a big red warning box saying this page is semi-protected, but if I need help, I should visit the tea-room, sorry, house. <elcor>With high-rising terminal:</elcor> I think this <i>is</i> the teahouse?<br/>Also, if I weren't autoconfirmed, would I be unable to seek help here? That's gotta be a bug, no? Or else the notice is misleading? </p> <dl><dd>There have been bouts of vandalism. The semi-protected is temporary for now, although it has been necessitated several times in the recent past for same reason. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20250216201700-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20250216201700-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20250216201700-Gentlemen,_you_can't_"chat"_in_here;_this_is_the_tearoom"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-David_notMD-20250216201700"></span>I understand protection is sometimes called for, my only thing is, the message still pointing users here even though they may find themselves blocked here – I don't know if that could be adjusted somehow. —<a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User talk:ReadOnlyAccount">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-David_notMD-20250216201700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-David_notMD-20250216201700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-David_notMD-20250216201700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250216235900-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400"></span>That's a very reasonable point, <a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a>, but one better raised on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia talk:Teahouse">WT:Teahouse</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250216235900-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250216235900-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250216235900-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse#Three_harrumphs_for_attention" title="Wikipedia talk:Teahouse"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250217001500-Hoary-20250216235900"></span>Done</a>. And if you're reading this because you came from there: Hello, and welcome back. —<a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User talk:ReadOnlyAccount">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250217001500-Hoary-20250216235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250217001500-Hoary-20250216235900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250217001500-Hoary-20250216235900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Harrumph_(segue)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Harrumph_(segue)-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"><span id="Harrumph_.28segue.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Harrumph_(segue)-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"></span>Harrumph (segue)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Harrumph_(segue)-Unicode_code_points_in_wikitext-20250216200400"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400-Harrumph_(segue)"></span>So anyway, I've recently seen the oddest thing. Apparently it is possible to enter <a href="/wiki/Unicode_code_point" class="mw-redirect" title="Unicode code point">Unicode code points</a> in decimal in <a href="/wiki/Wikitext" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikitext">wikitext</a> and to then get the character. Here's an example from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Verdana&oldid=357186996#Variants">an old revision</a> of <a href="/wiki/Verdana" title="Verdana">Verdana</a>, where if you click edit to view the wikitext, you can grep this: </p> <dl><dd>а{{&}}#768;е</dd></dl> <p>That's rendered as а̀е – which is the Cyrillic а, then the ‍̀ U+0300 COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT Unicode character, then the Cyrillic е. Now it just so happens that the decimal number 768 you see above corresponds to hexadecimal 300, which is the Unicode code point of that character. Sooooo, apparently by using that {{&}} template as per above, I ought to be able to enter possibly any character via its Unicode code point in decimal? So </p> <dl><dd>{{&}}#65;</dd></dl> <p>should give me the letter "A"? </p><p>I mean, I can see that this works, but my question is more of a solid helping of ye olde Whiskey Tango Foxtrot of astonishment, I mean, how? Why? What's going on there? Can someone explain? I mean, hang on, apparently, if I understand correctly, the <a href="/wiki/Template:%26" title="Template:&">{{&}}</a> template is just used to throw off some bots/scripts or <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki" title="MediaWiki">MediaWiki</a> itself, to prevent <i>whoever</i> from doing some unwanted <a href="/wiki/Magick" class="mw-redirect" title="Magick">magick</a> —and maybe somebody could shed more light on that— but beyond that, have <a href="/wiki/HTML_entity#Character_reference_overview" class="mw-redirect" title="HTML entity">numerical HTML entities</a> always been Unicode code point-savvy? And if not, then since when has this been a thing? Have I totally missed the boat (and a trick) here? Have I forgotten this after possibly having known this before? (Maybe I've been Biden my time too much?) To be clear, it's not so much the ability to enter HTML entities numerically that surprises me. What I am surprised by is that these are code points, as opposed to <a href="/wiki/Code_unit" class="mw-redirect" title="Code unit">code units</a>. Also, not to go all greyhat on you, but the ability to insert any random Unicode character sequence in this way, are we sure that's being sanity-checked like everything else? That's gotta be exploitable, no? I mean, I haven't tested it, and I don't wanna, but it smells exploitable. Hm?<br/>¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —<a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User talk:ReadOnlyAccount">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400-Harrumph_(segue)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400-Harrumph_(segue)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400-Harrumph_(segue)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250216214000-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400"></span>Yes, <a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a>, Mediawiki lets you use <a href="/wiki/Numeric_character_reference" title="Numeric character reference">numeric character references</a>, whether decimal or hexadecimal. This does not "smell exploitable" to me. If you have a follow-up question, please keep it concise. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250216214000-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250216214000-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250216214000-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216200400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-Hoary-20250216214000"></span>Oh, wow – from your link: <dl><dd><span style="background-color: #EEE; color:;">Since <a href="/wiki/SGML" class="mw-redirect" title="SGML">WebSgml</a>, <a href="/wiki/XML" title="XML">XML</a> and <a href="/wiki/HTML_4" class="mw-redirect" title="HTML 4">HTML 4</a>, the code points of the <a href="/wiki/Universal_Character_Set" class="mw-redirect" title="Universal Character Set">Universal Character Set</a> (UCS) of <a href="/wiki/Unicode" title="Unicode">Unicode</a> are used.</span></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I did not expect —or at least just now I did not remember— Unicode code points to have been a thing with that, and this <i>since HTML 4</i>. Thank you. —<a href="/wiki/User:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User:ReadOnlyAccount">ReadOnlyAccount</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ReadOnlyAccount" title="User talk:ReadOnlyAccount">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-Hoary-20250216214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-Hoary-20250216214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ReadOnlyAccount-20250216224400-Hoary-20250216214000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir" data-mw-thread-id="h-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir-20250216224700"><span id="Confusing_set_of_moves:_.C3.9Eorger.C3.B0ur_Ing.C3.B3lfsd.C3.B3ttir"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir-20250216224700"></span>Confusing set of moves: <a href="/wiki/%C3%9Eorger%C3%B0ur_Ing%C3%B3lfsd%C3%B3ttir" title="Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir">Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir-20250216224700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/%C3%9Eorger%C3%B0ur_Ing%C3%B3lfsd%C3%B3ttir" title="Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir">Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir</a>, a BLP for an Icelandic choral conductor has had a set of confusing moves and PROD, and I don't know how to sort this out. Ingólfsdóttir is notable, though the article could benefit from some editing. However, <a href="/wiki/User:%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%89%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%95" title="User:लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक">लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक</a> sent the page to draftspace <a href="/wiki/Draft:%C3%9Eorger%C3%B0ur_Ing%C3%B3lfsd%C3%B3ttir" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir">Draft:Þorgerður Ingólfsdóttir</a> and left behind a PROD. Any thoughts on next steps? Thanks for any help. <a href="/wiki/User:DaffodilOcean" title="User:DaffodilOcean">DaffodilOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaffodilOcean" title="User talk:DaffodilOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700-Confusing_set_of_moves:_Þorgerður_Ingólfsdóttir"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"></span>As it's in the draft space I would probably leave it alone for now. If it gets moved to mainspace and it's still not ready you can send it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfD">articles for deletion</a> and let the community decide what to do with it. Also anyone can edit a draft so feel free to improve yourself if you have the time and interest. <span style="font-family: Brush Script MT; text-shadow: 5px 3px 8px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Sophisticatedevening" title="User:Sophisticatedevening"><span style="color: purple">Sophisticatedevening</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sophisticatedevening" title="User talk:Sophisticatedevening"><span style="color: purple">(talk)</span></a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900"></span>I actually think it belongs in the mainspace, so I will edit it to address the concerns about puffery and NPOV. <a href="/wiki/User:DaffodilOcean" title="User:DaffodilOcean">DaffodilOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaffodilOcean" title="User talk:DaffodilOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500-Sophisticatedevening-20250216230900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217001000-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500"></span>Please do, <a href="/wiki/User:DaffodilOcean" title="User:DaffodilOcean">DaffodilOcean</a>. There are other problems too. The first reference I looked at was rather improbably cited for unrelated medals from two distinct nations and turned out to be a source for only one of the pair. I've <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3A%C3%9Eorger%C3%B0ur_Ing%C3%B3lfsd%C3%B3ttir&diff=1276119030&oldid=1276115015">partially fixed</a> this particular problem but I wonder how many other (apparent) references might crumble under inspection. Plus there's all the material that doesn't even look as if it's referenced. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217001000-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217001000-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217001000-DaffodilOcean-20250216231500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250217031100-Hoary-20250217001000"></span>I have done the editing I can do, though I had to rely on Google Translate for all the Icelandic media coverage. I submitted the page back to AfC. <a href="/wiki/User:DaffodilOcean" title="User:DaffodilOcean">DaffodilOcean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DaffodilOcean" title="User talk:DaffodilOcean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DaffodilOcean-20250217031100-Hoary-20250217001000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DaffodilOcean-20250217031100-Hoary-20250217001000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DaffodilOcean-20250217031100-Hoary-20250217001000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217050400-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"></span>It's now an article again, and deservedly so. Props to <a href="/wiki/User:DaffodilOcean" title="User:DaffodilOcean">DaffodilOcean</a> for fast work on this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217050400-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217050400-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217050400-DaffodilOcean-20250216224700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Codeboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Codeboxes-20250217020000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Codeboxes-20250217020000"></span>Codeboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Codeboxes-20250217020000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justjourney-20250217020000-Codeboxes"></span>In my contributions, I've added some code boxes to some pages that have wikitext code. Do you approve of these edits? I'm just wondering. <a href="/wiki/User:Justjourney" title="User:Justjourney">Justjourney</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justjourney" title="User talk:Justjourney">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Justjourney-20250217020000-Codeboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justjourney-20250217020000-Codeboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justjourney-20250217020000-Codeboxes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an_advertisement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an-20250217022100"><span id="Help_.26_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an_advertisement"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an-20250217022100"></span>Help & ask for advanced review for Draft:Winston Utomo because of looks like an advertisement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an-20250217022100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an"></span>Hello from Indonesia, recently I've resubmitted the <a href="/wiki/Draft:Winston_Utomo" title="Draft:Winston Utomo">Draft:Winston Utomo</a> and declined again. The reason was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam">read more like an advertisement</a>. I've also read the regulation and want to ask some suggestions how to fix and improve this draft to become better & not recognized as promotion article. Happy to receive suggestions & improvement, please help & guide me about this, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100-Help_&_ask_for_advanced_review_for_Draft:Winston_Utomo_because_of_looks_like_an"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217024800-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100"></span>Sample: <span style="color:olive">This significant investment solidifies IDN’s position as one of the largest and most influential media technology companies in Southeast Asia. Under Winston’s leadership, IDN has transformed to become the leading consumer technology company with four main pillars: digital media, livestreaming, creator economy, and entertainment.</span> Yes, this is more like an advertisement. If, even after being prodded about it, you don't see the promotional language or won't remove it, I really wonder if editing en:Wikipedia is for you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217024800-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217024800-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217024800-Rachael_Adrino-20250217022100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217033800-Hoary-20250217024800"></span>Got it, I'll read & crosscheck it again, and do several changes for the promotional language one as soon as possible. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Rachael_Adrino" title="User:Rachael Adrino">Rachael Adrino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rachael_Adrino" title="User talk:Rachael Adrino">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217033800-Hoary-20250217024800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217033800-Hoary-20250217024800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rachael_Adrino-20250217033800-Hoary-20250217024800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Search_Engine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Search_Engine-20250217034200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Search_Engine-20250217034200"></span>Search Engine<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Search_Engine-20250217034200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taabii-20250217034200-Search_Engine"></span>I created <a href="/wiki/Fault_Lines_in_the_Faith" title="Fault Lines in the Faith">Fault Lines in the Faith</a>, and it is already Patrolled by an editor, but it is not available on the Google Search, is there any issue? I'm facing this issue for the first time since I'm editing Wikipedia. Someone help. <a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii"><span style="color: HotPink">Taabii</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taabii" title="User talk:Taabii"><span style="color: DarkKhaki">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taabii-20250217034200-Search_Engine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taabii-20250217034200-Search_Engine"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taabii-20250217034200-Search_Engine"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400-Taabii-20250217034200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii">Taabii</a>:</span> Google <a href="/wiki/Web_cache" title="Web cache">caches</a> its search results for performance reasons. It'll show up once Google refreshes the cache. —<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano"><i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User talk:Jéské Couriano"><span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span></a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/AG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jéské Couriano/AG">threads</a> <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano/Decode" title="User:Jéské Couriano/Decode">critiques</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400-Taabii-20250217034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400-Taabii-20250217034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400-Taabii-20250217034200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taabii-20250217034600-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano" title="User:Jéské Couriano">Jéské Couriano</a> Okay, Thankyou. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii"><span style="color: HotPink">Taabii</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taabii" title="User talk:Taabii"><span style="color: DarkKhaki">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taabii-20250217034600-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taabii-20250217034600-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taabii-20250217034600-Jéské_Couriano-20250217034400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anatole-berthe-20250217035000-Taabii-20250217034200"></span>The results in <b>"Google Search"</b> is not under the responsibility of Wikipedia. <br/> <br/></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii">Taabii</a> explained you it'll show up once Google refreshes the cache.</dd> <dd>I think it will be updated this week. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20250217035000-Taabii-20250217034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anatole-berthe-20250217035000-Taabii-20250217034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anatole-berthe-20250217035000-Taabii-20250217034200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217051500-Taabii-20250217034200"></span>Taabii</a>, I learn that "The book has been reviewed by [A], [B], [C] , [D]" (the abbreviations are mine). Did each of these four say anything that's worth summarizing? If so, summarize it. If not, why even mention the review? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217051500-Taabii-20250217034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217051500-Taabii-20250217034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217051500-Taabii-20250217034200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taabii-20250217054900-Hoary-20250217051500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> I'll do that. <a href="/wiki/User:Taabii" title="User:Taabii"><span style="color: HotPink">Taabii</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taabii" title="User talk:Taabii"><span style="color: DarkKhaki">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Taabii-20250217054900-Hoary-20250217051500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taabii-20250217054900-Hoary-20250217051500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taabii-20250217054900-Hoary-20250217051500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft_in_progress" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft_in_progress-20250217060600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft_in_progress-20250217060600"></span>Draft in progress<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft_in_progress-20250217060600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600-Draft_in_progress"></span>Hey, I am working on a draft -<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)</a> Mistakenly I added missionary term in term in the bracket will it make any issues or it can be corrected, also have question regarding the image in the infobox pls check, Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600-Draft_in_progress" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600-Draft_in_progress"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600-Draft_in_progress"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217065300-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span>If you mean, <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a>, that you now think you should have titled the draft "Draft:John Henry Budden" (because <a href="/w/index.php?title=John_Henry_Budden&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="John Henry Budden (page does not exist)">John Henry Budden</a> doesn't now exist, and therefore disambiguation isn't needed), don't worry. A reviewer who accepts the draft will handle the renaming. ¶ What question do you have about the image? ¶ Currently, a major problem with the draft is that entire paragraphs within it are unreferenced. Please add references before submitting. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217065300-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217065300-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217065300-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065500-Hoary-20250217065300"></span>The draft is under construction I havent given it for review iwill add a couple of reliable references one got!! <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065500-Hoary-20250217065300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065500-Hoary-20250217065300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065500-Hoary-20250217065300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250217065400-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span>Hello! Welcome to the Teahouse. You can correct the title by clicking the Tools menu on the top right, where you will see the option to move the article to a new title. Although I believe that a reviewer will probably change the title for you if it is published. I don't see any problems with the image <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250217065400-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250217065400-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250217065400-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600-TNM101-20250217065400"></span>I mean the image of the Person is too Big or it is okay for the infobox <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600-TNM101-20250217065400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600-TNM101-20250217065400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600-TNM101-20250217065400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250217070000-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600"></span>It's of a good size, no need to worry about the image. Focus on the referencing content as of now <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250217070000-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250217070000-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250217070000-JesusisGreat7-20250217065600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100-TNM101-20250217070000"></span>Sure, I have got many references I'll add them with time as the draft is under construction! <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100-TNM101-20250217070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100-TNM101-20250217070000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100-TNM101-20250217070000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20250217072900-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a>:</span> I'm pretty sure you've licensed <a href="/wiki/File:John_Henry_Budden_Portrait.png" title="File:John Henry Budden Portrait.png">File:John Henry Budden Portrait.png</a> incorrectly unless you're claiming you were around on 18 March 1890 <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:Own_work" class="extiw" title="c:COM:Own work">to take/create that particular image yourself</a>. You probably should ask about the file at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:VPC" class="extiw" title="c:COM:VPC">c:COM:VPC</a> and try to sort its licensing out. There's a really good chance the photo is already within the public domain, but figuring out how to license it properly might be something someone at COM:VPC can help you with.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Did you take <a href="/wiki/File:Budden_Memorial_Church.jpg" title="File:Budden Memorial Church.jpg">File:Budden Memorial Church.jpg</a> yourself? If you did, then you might need to take into account the <a href="/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama" title="Freedom of panorama">freedom of panorama</a> of wherever the church is located (e.g. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:FOP_India" class="extiw" title="c:COM:FOP India">c:COM:FOP India</a>) just to make sure, but the church is probably too old to be still eligible for copyright protection. If you didn't take the photo yourself, you shouldn't really be uploading it to Commons and releasing it as your "own work". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20250217072900-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20250217072900-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20250217072900-JesusisGreat7-20250217070100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100-Marchjuly-20250217072900"></span>Yes the File:Budden Memorial Church.jpg, is taken by me during the time of Covid it was on my Phone though I uploaded it recently, sure I will go through ur guidance! <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100-Marchjuly-20250217072900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100-Marchjuly-20250217072900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100-Marchjuly-20250217072900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250217074300-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> Marchjuly means the original person who took the portrait in 1890. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250217074300-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250217074300-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250217074300-JesusisGreat7-20250217074100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074500-TNM101-20250217074300"></span>aha, I need to go through the licensing, though the image has a public Domain <a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7">JesusisGreat7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JesusisGreat7" title="User talk:JesusisGreat7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074500-TNM101-20250217074300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074500-TNM101-20250217074300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JesusisGreat7-20250217074500-TNM101-20250217074300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:JesusisGreat7" title="User:JesusisGreat7"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217081900-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span>JesusisGreat7</a>, it's not surprising if people write rather differently when creating an article than how they write questions and answers in a place like this. But the prose in <s><a href="/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden" title="Draft:John Henry Budden">Draft:John Henry Budden</a></s> <b><a href="/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)" title="Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)">Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)</a></b> seems utterly unlike how you write here. Indeed, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)&diff=prev&oldid=1276148943">an addition</a> such as <span style="color:olive">Mr. Budden was a distinguished linguist, with expertise in the language that was surpassed by few. He made significant contributions to the field, including his work on the revision of the Hindi New Testament. Budden also authored several notable religious works in the vernacular, distinguished by their idiomatic correctness and expressive beauty.</span> somehow sounds to me less 21st- than 19th-century. Any comment? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) 08:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC) <small>typo fixed <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217081900-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217081900-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217081900-JesusisGreat7-20250217060600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250217083000-Hoary-20250217081900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> The user's draft is at <a href="/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)" title="Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)">Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)</a>, not at that page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250217083000-Hoary-20250217081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250217083000-Hoary-20250217081900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250217083000-Hoary-20250217081900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20250217084300-TNM101-20250217083000"></span>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101">TNM101</a>, for catching my typo. I was writing about <a href="/wiki/Draft:John_Henry_Budden_(missionary)" title="Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)">Draft:John Henry Budden (missionary)</a>, and above have corrected accordingly. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20250217084300-TNM101-20250217083000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20250217084300-TNM101-20250217083000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20250217084300-TNM101-20250217083000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TNM101-20250217095000-Hoary-20250217084300"></span>👍<b><a href="/wiki/User:TNM101" title="User:TNM101"><span style="color:red;">TNM</span><span style="color:black;">101</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TNM101" title="User talk:TNM101"><span style="color:blue;">chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TNM101-20250217095000-Hoary-20250217084300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TNM101-20250217095000-Hoary-20250217084300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TNM101-20250217095000-Hoary-20250217084300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advanced_automatic_reference_creation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation-20250217084000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation-20250217084000"></span>Advanced automatic reference creation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation-20250217084000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation"></span>Q: I've been using the "automatic" option in the "cite" button, but I've noticed its limitations. For instance, it doesn't generate references from links to PDF files. Are there more effective ways to automatically create references from links? <a href="/wiki/User:EntropyReducingGuy" title="User:EntropyReducingGuy">EntropyReducingGuy</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EntropyReducingGuy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:EntropyReducingGuy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000-Advanced_automatic_reference_creation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000"></span>I would try using Visual Editor as it lets you add information without having to know all the wikitext. I have used it many times to edit references. <a href="/wiki/User:Sheriff_U3" title="User:Sheriff U3">Sheriff U3</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sheriff_U3" title="User talk:Sheriff U3">Talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sheriff_U3" title="Special:Contributions/Sheriff U3">Con</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217084000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217115400-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000"></span>10x. I already use the Visual Editor. My issue was that in the case of links to PDF files you need to put everything manually which is a lot of work. There is also no way to control the format of the reference. <a href="/wiki/User:EntropyReducingGuy" title="User:EntropyReducingGuy">EntropyReducingGuy</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EntropyReducingGuy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:EntropyReducingGuy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217115400-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217115400-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EntropyReducingGuy-20250217115400-Sheriff_U3-20250217093000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1276190180">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1276190180</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Teahouse" title="Category:Wikipedia Teahouse">Wikipedia Teahouse</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_help_forums" title="Category:Wikipedia help forums">Wikipedia help forums</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_project_pages" title="Category:Wikipedia semi-protected project pages">Wikipedia semi-protected project pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_that_should_not_be_manually_archived" title="Category:Pages that should not be manually archived">Pages that should not be manually archived</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 February 2025, at 11:54<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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