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href="/wiki/File:Henry_I,_King_of_England_(British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII,_folio_8v).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Henry_I%2C_King_of_England_%28British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII%2C_folio_8v%29.jpg/220px-Henry_I%2C_King_of_England_%28British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII%2C_folio_8v%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="437" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Henry_I%2C_King_of_England_%28British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII%2C_folio_8v%29.jpg/330px-Henry_I%2C_King_of_England_%28British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII%2C_folio_8v%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Henry_I%2C_King_of_England_%28British_Library_MS_Royal_14_C_VII%2C_folio_8v%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="419" data-file-height="833" /></a><figcaption>Miniature of <a href="/wiki/Henry_I_of_England" title="Henry I of England">Henry I of England</a></figcaption></figure> <p><b>Henry's new men</b> are considered by historians to be those men that rose to prominence during the reign of <a href="/wiki/Henry_I_of_England" title="Henry I of England">Henry I of England</a> (reigned 1100–1135) and whose families had not previously been prominent in royal service.<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Overview">Overview</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_Henry%27s_new_men&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Overview"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Although the use of the actual phrase "new men" dates from the writings of <a href="/wiki/William_Stubbs" title="William Stubbs">William Stubbs</a> around 1874, the group of men was first singled out in the writings of writers contemporary with the men.<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> The chronicler <a href="/wiki/Orderic_Vitalis" title="Orderic Vitalis">Orderic Vitalis</a> in his <i><a href="/wiki/Historia_ecclesiastica_gentis_Anglorum" class="mw-redirect" title="Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum">Historia Ecclesiastica</a></i> said that Henry had "ennobled others of base stock who had served him well, raised them, so to say, from the dust, and heaping all kinds of favours on them, stationed them above earls and famous constables."<sup id="cite_ref-QDNB_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-QDNB-2"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> Orderic went on to mention a number of men that he considered "new men".<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p><p>Orderic's list of new men included:<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Geoffrey_de_Clinton" title="Geoffrey de Clinton">Geoffrey de Clinton</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ralph_Basset" title="Ralph Basset">Ralph Basset</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Hugh_of_Buckland" class="mw-redirect" title="Hugh of Buckland">Hugh of Buckland</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Guillegrip&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Guillegrip (page does not exist)">Guillegrip</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Rainer_of_Bath&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Rainer of Bath (page does not exist)">Rainer of Bath</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=William_Trussebut&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="William Trussebut (page does not exist)">William Trussebut</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Haimo_of_Falaise&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Haimo of Falaise (page does not exist)">Haimo of Falaise</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wigan_Algason&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Wigan Algason (page does not exist)">Wigan Algason</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Robert_of_Bostare&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Robert of Bostare (page does not exist)">Robert of Bostare</a></li></ul> <p>The medieval writer <a href="/wiki/Henry_of_Huntingdon" title="Henry of Huntingdon">Henry of Huntingdon</a>, writing in his <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=De_Contemptu_Mundi&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="De Contemptu Mundi (page does not exist)">De Contemptu Mundi</a></i>, mentioned a number of the above and added:<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Richard_Basset_(royal_justice)" class="mw-redirect" title="Richard Basset (royal justice)">Richard Basset</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Geoffrey_Ridel_(royal_justice)" title="Geoffrey Ridel (royal justice)">Geoffrey Ridel</a></li></ul> <p>The author of the <i><a href="/wiki/Gesta_Stephani" title="Gesta Stephani">Gesta Stephani</a></i>, a chronicle of the reign of King <a href="/wiki/Stephen_of_England" class="mw-redirect" title="Stephen of England">Stephen of England</a>, Henry's successor, named the following as new men during Henry's reign:<sup id="cite_ref-Green242_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Green242-3"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Pain_fitzJohn" title="Pain fitzJohn">Pain fitzJohn</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Miles_de_Gloucester,_1st_Earl_of_Hereford" class="mw-redirect" title="Miles de Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford">Miles of Gloucester</a></li></ul> <p>To these men, the modern historian H. F. Doherty, writing for the <i><a href="/wiki/Oxford_Dictionary_of_National_Biography" class="mw-redirect" title="Oxford Dictionary of National Biography">Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</a></i>, adds:<sup id="cite_ref-DNB_1-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Eustace_fitz_John" title="Eustace fitz John">Eustace fitzJohn</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Walter_de_Beauchamp_(nobleman)" title="Walter de Beauchamp (nobleman)">Walter de Beauchamp</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/John_Marshal_(Earl_Marshal)" class="mw-redirect" title="John Marshal (Earl Marshal)">John Marshall</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Brien_FitzCount" class="mw-redirect" title="Brien FitzCount">Brien fitzCount</a></li></ul> <p>The historian and biographer of Henry I, <a href="/wiki/Judith_Green_(historian)" title="Judith Green (historian)">Judith Green</a> adds the following:<sup 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id="cite_note-DNB-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-2"><sup><i><b>c</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-3"><sup><i><b>d</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-4"><sup><i><b>e</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-DNB_1-5"><sup><i><b>f</b></i></sup></a></span> <span class="reference-text">Doherty "Henry I's new men (act. 1100–1135)" <i>Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</i></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-QDNB-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-QDNB_2-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Quoted in Doherty "Henry I's new men (act. 1100–1135)" <i>Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</i></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-Green242-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink">^ <a href="#cite_ref-Green242_3-0"><sup><i><b>a</b></i></sup></a> <a href="#cite_ref-Green242_3-1"><sup><i><b>b</b></i></sup></a></span> 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a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFDoherty,_H._F.2009" class="citation encyclopaedia cs1">Doherty, H. F. (2009). "Henry I's new men". <i><a href="/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography#Oxford_Dictionary_of_National_Biography" title="Dictionary of National Biography">Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</a></i> (online&#160;ed.). Oxford University Press. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1093%2Fref%3Aodnb%2F95593">10.1093/ref:odnb/95593</a></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=bookitem&amp;rft.atitle=Henry+I%27s+new+men&amp;rft.btitle=Oxford+Dictionary+of+National+Biography&amp;rft.edition=online&amp;rft.pub=Oxford+University+Press&amp;rft.date=2009&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1093%2Fref%3Aodnb%2F95593&amp;rft.au=Doherty%2C+H.+F.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AList+of+Henry%27s+new+men" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFGreen,_Judith_A.2006" class="citation book cs1"><a href="/wiki/Judith_Green_(historian)" title="Judith Green (historian)">Green, Judith A.</a> (2006). <i>Henry I: King of England and Duke of Normandy</i>. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a>&#160;<a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-521-74452-2" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-521-74452-2"><bdi>978-0-521-74452-2</bdi></a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&amp;rft.genre=book&amp;rft.btitle=Henry+I%3A+King+of+England+and+Duke+of+Normandy&amp;rft.place=Cambridge&amp;rft.pub=Cambridge+University+Press&amp;rft.date=2006&amp;rft.isbn=978-0-521-74452-2&amp;rft.au=Green%2C+Judith+A.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AList+of+Henry%27s+new+men" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Further_reading">Further reading</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_Henry%27s_new_men&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: Further reading"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFCrouch,_D.1982" class="citation journal cs1">Crouch, D. (1982). "Geoffrey de Clinton and Roger, Earl of Warwick: New Men and Magnates in the Reign of Henry I". <i>Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research</i>. <b>55</b> (132): 113–124. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1468-2281.1982.tb01151.x">10.1111/j.1468-2281.1982.tb01151.x</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Bulletin+of+the+Institute+of+Historical+Research&amp;rft.atitle=Geoffrey+de+Clinton+and+Roger%2C+Earl+of+Warwick%3A+New+Men+and+Magnates+in+the+Reign+of+Henry+I&amp;rft.volume=55&amp;rft.issue=132&amp;rft.pages=113-124&amp;rft.date=1982&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1111%2Fj.1468-2281.1982.tb01151.x&amp;rft.au=Crouch%2C+D.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AList+of+Henry%27s+new+men" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFKeats-Rohan,_K._S._B.1994" class="citation journal cs1">Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. (1994). "Two Studies in North French Prosopography". <i>Journal of Medieval History</i>. <b>20</b>: 25–37. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1016%2F0304-4181%2893%2900747-c">10.1016/0304-4181(93)00747-c</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Journal+of+Medieval+History&amp;rft.atitle=Two+Studies+in+North+French+Prosopography&amp;rft.volume=20&amp;rft.pages=25-37&amp;rft.date=1994&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1016%2F0304-4181%2893%2900747-c&amp;rft.au=Keats-Rohan%2C+K.+S.+B.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AList+of+Henry%27s+new+men" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFMason,_E.1980" class="citation journal cs1">Mason, E. (1980). "The King, the Chamberlain, and Southwick Priory". <i>Historical Research</i>. <b>53</b> (127): 1–10. <a href="/wiki/Doi_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doi (identifier)">doi</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1468-2281.1980.tb01724.x">10.1111/j.1468-2281.1980.tb01724.x</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.jtitle=Historical+Research&amp;rft.atitle=The+King%2C+the+Chamberlain%2C+and+Southwick+Priory&amp;rft.volume=53&amp;rft.issue=127&amp;rft.pages=1-10&amp;rft.date=1980&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1111%2Fj.1468-2281.1980.tb01724.x&amp;rft.au=Mason%2C+E.&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AList+of+Henry%27s+new+men" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFSouthern,_R._W.1962" class="citation journal cs1">Southern, R. W. (1962). 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