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title="Comença una secció nova [+]" accesskey="+"><span>Afegeix un tema</span></a></li><li id="ca-history" class="vector-tab-noicon mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Discussi%C3%B3:Eufrates&amp;action=history" title="Versions antigues d&#039;aquesta pàgina [h]" accesskey="h"><span>Mostra l'historial</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Eines de la pàgina"> <div id="vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown vector-page-tools-dropdown" > <input type="checkbox" id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-vector-page-tools-dropdown" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox " aria-label="Eines" > <label id="vector-page-tools-dropdown-label" for="vector-page-tools-dropdown-checkbox" class="vector-dropdown-label cdx-button cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--weight-quiet" aria-hidden="true" ><span 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</div> <div class="vector-column-end"> <div class="vector-sticky-pinned-container"> <nav class="vector-page-tools-landmark" aria-label="Eines de la pàgina"> <div id="vector-page-tools-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> </div> </nav> <nav class="vector-appearance-landmark" aria-label="Aparença"> <div id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" class="vector-pinned-container"> <div id="vector-appearance" class="vector-appearance vector-pinnable-element"> <div class="vector-pinnable-header vector-appearance-pinnable-header vector-pinnable-header-pinned" data-feature-name="appearance-pinned" data-pinnable-element-id="vector-appearance" data-pinned-container-id="vector-appearance-pinned-container" data-unpinned-container-id="vector-appearance-unpinned-container" > <div class="vector-pinnable-header-label">Aparença</div> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-pin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.pin">mou a la barra lateral</button> <button class="vector-pinnable-header-toggle-button vector-pinnable-header-unpin-button" data-event-name="pinnable-header.vector-appearance.unpin">amaga</button> </div> </div> </div> </nav> </div> </div> <div id="bodyContent" class="vector-body" aria-labelledby="firstHeading" data-mw-ve-target-container> <div class="vector-body-before-content"> <div class="mw-indicators"> </div> <div id="siteSub" class="noprint">De la Viquipèdia, l&#039;enciclopèdia lliure</div> </div> <div id="contentSub"><div id="mw-content-subtitle"></div></div> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="ca" dir="ltr"><p>Sempre he pronunciat aquest riu esdrúixol. <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Llull" title="Usuari:Llull">Llull</a> 12:04 26 mar, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>jo també... em sona extrany això d'/əw 'fra təs/ --<span title="Representació en l'Alfabet Fonètic Internacional (AFI)" class="IPA"><a href="/wiki/Usuari:ArinArin" title="Usuari:ArinArin">Guillem</a>(<a href="/wiki/Usuari_Discussi%C3%B3:ArinArin" title="Usuari Discussió:ArinArin">☺</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tobareinne.com/contact.html">☻</a>)</span> 08:38 8 jun, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>És la forma correcta en català, pla (per comptes d'esdrúixol, per influència castellana). També és pla en portuguès (<i>Eufrates</i>) i italià (<i>Eufrate</i>). <a href="/wiki/Usuari:Enric" title="Usuari:Enric">Enric</a> 11:19 8 jun, 2005 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Pallares-20230611085300&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-traducci\u00f3-20230611085300&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Pallares-20230611085300-traducci\u00f3&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;traducci\u00f3&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;traducci\u00f3&quot;}--><h2 id="traducció" data-mw-thread-id="h-traducció-20230611085300"><span id="traducci.C3.B3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-traducció-20230611085300"></span>traducció<span data-mw-comment-end="h-traducció-20230611085300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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