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The result of <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1259892160#Requested_move_4_November_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1259892160">the discussion</a> was <b>moved</b>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Did_you_know_nomination" data-mw-thread-id="h-Did_you_know_nomination-20241023211700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Did_you_know_nomination-20241023211700"></span>Did you know nomination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Did_you_know_nomination-20241023211700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Diddy_parties&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Did you know nomination"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span></span> </p> <div class="dyk-nompage-links plainlinks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700-Did_you_know_nomination"></span>( <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1129693374">.mw-parser-output .hlist dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul{margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt,.mw-parser-output .hlist li{margin:0;display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist.inline ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist dl ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ol ul,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul dl,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ol,.mw-parser-output .hlist ul ul{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .hlist .mw-empty-li{display:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dt::after{content:": "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li::after{content:" · ";font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li:last-child::after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:first-child::before{content:" (";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dd li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt li:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dd:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li dt:last-child::after,.mw-parser-output .hlist li li:last-child::after{content:")";font-weight:normal}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol{counter-reset:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li{counter-increment:listitem}.mw-parser-output .hlist ol>li::before{content:" "counter(listitem)"\a0 "}.mw-parser-output .hlist dd ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist dt ol>li:first-child::before,.mw-parser-output .hlist li ol>li:first-child::before{content:" ("counter(listitem)"\a0 "}</style><div class="hlist inline"><ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know_nominations%2FWhite_Party_%28Sean_Combs%29&action=edit">Comment</a> or <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/White_Party_(Sean_Combs)" title="Template:Did you know nominations/White Party (Sean Combs)">view</a></li><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_Party_%28Sean_Combs%29&action=history">Article history</a></li></ul></div> )</div> <ul><li>... that <a href="/wiki/Sean_Combs" title="Sean Combs">Sean Combs</a> <b><a href="/wiki/White_Party_(Sean_Combs)" class="mw-redirect" title="White Party (Sean Combs)">promised not to spill champagne</a></b> on the <a href="/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence" title="United States Declaration of Independence">Declaration of Independence</a>?</li></ul> <div style="font-size:85%;"> <ul><li>Source: ["No one would ever expect a young black man to be coming to a party with the Declaration of Independence, but I got it, and it's coming with me ... And I promise not to spill champagne on it" <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2004/07/07/p-diddy-does-politics/">https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2004/07/07/p-diddy-does-politics/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://archive.is/ivRpf">https://archive.is/ivRpf</a>, P. Diddy does politics, The Tampa Bay Times, 7 July 2004]</li></ul></div> <ul><li><i>Reviewed</i>: <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Middlesex_Regiment_alien_labour_units" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Middlesex Regiment alien labour units">Template:Did you know nominations/Middlesex Regiment alien labour units</a></li></ul> <div style="font-size:85%;">Created by <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>). Number of QPQs required: <b>1</b>. Nominator has 122 past nominations.</div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700-Did_you_know_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700-Did_you_know_nomination"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700-Did_you_know_nomination"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241119051200-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_question.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/16px-Symbol_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/24px-Symbol_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/32px-Symbol_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> Hello <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a>: article created within a week of nomination; QPQ checks out; hook is interesting; no copyvio detected; source checks out. My only question: would it be better to call Mr. Combs by his more well known name of P. Diddy or Diddy? I'm not sure if I'd click on the DYK if it said Sean Combs, I'd be much more likely to do so if it said Diddy, given the recent news and memes. My only thought. ~<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r920966791">.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps{font-variant:small-caps}.mw-parser-output span.smallcaps-smaller{font-size:85%}</style><span class="smallcaps"><a href="/wiki/User:Darth_Stabro" title="User:Darth Stabro">Darth Stabro</a></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darth_Stabro" title="User talk:Darth Stabro">Talk</a><span class="nowrap"> </span>•<span class="nowrap"> </span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro" title="Special:Contributions/Darth Stabro">Contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Darth_Stabro-20241119051200-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darth_Stabro-20241119051200-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darth_Stabro-20241119051200-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241130190500-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Darth_Stabro" title="User:Darth Stabro">Darth Stabro</a>:</span> I think we should respect the name he currently goes by ... but P. Diddy is certainly better for views! <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241130190500-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241130190500-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241130190500-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241023211700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed.." data-mw-thread-id="h-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed..-20241030234800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed..-20241030234800"></span>This is a wrong encyclopedic entry. It should be renamed..<span data-mw-comment-end="h-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed..-20241030234800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Diddy_parties&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: This is a wrong encyclopedic entry. It should be renamed.."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C-20241030234800-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed.."></span>White parties have been going on in the elite circles well before Sean Combs decided to start throwing them. It seems inappropriate to give him credit for the entire concept which has dated back centuries! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C">2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C" title="User talk:2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C-20241030234800-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed.." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C-20241030234800-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed.."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:8001:7106:C515:7811:9D52:2B0E:FC2C-20241030234800-This_is_a_wrong_encyclopedic_entry._It_should_be_renamed.."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_4_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_4_November_2024-20241104185700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_4_November_2024-20241104185700"></span>Requested move 4 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_4_November_2024-20241104185700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Diddy_parties&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Requested move 4 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-success-subtle, #efe); color: var(--color-base, inherit); margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted var(--border-color-subtle, #AAAAAA);"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sceptre-20241127185100-Requested_move_4_November_2024"></span>The following is a closed discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color: var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a> after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>moved.</b> To <a href="/wiki/Diddy_parties" title="Diddy parties">Diddy parties</a>. Clear COMMONNAME, and per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SENTENCECASE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SENTENCECASE">WP:SENTENCECASE</a>, in the absence of a preponderance of sources capitalising the term, we go with the lower case version. <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Closure_by_a_page_mover" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">closed by non-admin page mover</a>)</small> <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sceptre" title="User:Sceptre">Sceptre</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sceptre" title="User talk:Sceptre">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Sceptre-20241127185100-Requested_move_4_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sceptre-20241127185100-Requested_move_4_November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sceptre-20241127185100-Requested_move_4_November_2024"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/White_Party_(Sean_Combs)" class="mw-redirect" title="White Party (Sean Combs)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yovt-20241104185700-Requested_move_4_November_2024"></span>White Party (Sean Combs)</a> → <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diddy_Parties&redirect=no">Diddy Parties</a></span> – As stated in the article, <a href="/wiki/Diddy_Parties" class="mw-redirect" title="Diddy Parties">Diddy Parties</a> is more commonly referred to with regards to <a href="/wiki/White_parties" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="White parties">White parties</a> by <a href="/wiki/Sean_Combs" title="Sean Combs">Sean Combs</a> (Diddy). Proposing move per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCISE">WP:CONCISE</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRECISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRECISE">WP:PRECISE</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NATDIS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NATDIS">WP:NATDIS</a>. Other alternatives like <a href="/wiki/Diddy_Party" class="mw-redirect" title="Diddy Party">Diddy Party</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=White_Party_(Diddy)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="White Party (Diddy) (page does not exist)">White Party (Diddy)</a>, etc. are not off the table. <a href="/wiki/User:Yovt" title="User:Yovt">𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yovt" title="User talk:Yovt">𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝</a>) 18:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC) <small>— <i><b>Relisting.</b></i> <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</small> <small>— <i><b>Relisting.</b></i> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reading_Beans" title="User talk:Reading Beans"><span style="color:#333"><b>Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Yovt-20241104185700-Requested_move_4_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yovt-20241104185700-Requested_move_4_November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yovt-20241104185700-Requested_move_4_November_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yovt-20241104211400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Note: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hip_hop" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hip hop">WikiProject Hip hop</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sociology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sociology">WikiProject Sociology</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Culture" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Culture">WikiProject Culture</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_York_(state)" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York (state)">WikiProject New York (state)</a> have been notified of this discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Yovt" title="User:Yovt">𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yovt" title="User talk:Yovt">𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Yovt-20241104211400-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yovt-20241104211400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yovt-20241104211400-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Oppose.</b> To my eye, "Diddy parties" is a <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">colloquialism[] where far more encyclopedic alternatives are obvious</q>, which <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVNAME">WP:NPOVNAME</a> advises us to avoid. I also disagree with the claim that the proposed title is more precise—"White Party (Sean Combs)" unambiguously refers to a specific series of parties that Combs held, whereas "Diddy parties" could refer to any number of parties he might have thrown. <a href="/wiki/User:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User:ModernDayTrilobite">ModernDayTrilobite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User talk:ModernDayTrilobite">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite" title="Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000-Yovt-20241104185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165900-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"></span>I disagree that the name "Diddy parties" has a POV, and that it is not encyclopedic. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Feeglgeef" title="User:Feeglgeef">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feeglgeef" title="User talk:Feeglgeef">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Feeglgeef-20241125165900-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165900-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165900-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVNAME"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125170100-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"></span>WP:NPOVNAME</a> also says that "Article titles and redirects should anticipate what readers will type as a first guess and balance that with what readers expect to be taken to." Which is the case for most people with P. Diddy's freak-offs. <a href="/wiki/User:Feeglgeef" title="User:Feeglgeef">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feeglgeef" title="User talk:Feeglgeef">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Feeglgeef-20241125170100-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125170100-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241125170100-ModernDayTrilobite-20241104220000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600-Feeglgeef-20241125170100"></span>As you've quoted, the policy specifies "article titles <i>and redirects</i>." I'd be in favor of "Diddy parties" existing as a redirect to this article—I certainly don't dispute that the term is in widespread use—but I think readers will be best served if the title of the destination article is precise about what it describes. <a href="/wiki/User:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User:ModernDayTrilobite">ModernDayTrilobite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ModernDayTrilobite" title="User talk:ModernDayTrilobite">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite" title="Special:Contributions/ModernDayTrilobite">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600-Feeglgeef-20241125170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600-Feeglgeef-20241125170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600-Feeglgeef-20241125170100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241127172600-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600"></span>Readers will be too confused trying to figure out why they are reading about "White Parties" instead of "Diddy Parties" <a href="/wiki/User:Feeglgeef" title="User:Feeglgeef">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feeglgeef" title="User talk:Feeglgeef">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Feeglgeef-20241127172600-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241127172600-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241127172600-ModernDayTrilobite-20241127165600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Estar8806-20241104221800-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Weak support</b> - <a href="/w/index.php?title=White_Parties_(Diddy)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="White Parties (Diddy) (page does not exist)">White Parties (Diddy)</a> or something like that <a href="/w/index.php?title=Diddy%27s_white_parties&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Diddy's white parties (page does not exist)">Diddy's white parties</a> solely because I can't see how the present name could be the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. I'm not opposed to <a href="/wiki/Diddy_parties" title="Diddy parties">Diddy parties</a> but I think there are NPOV and BLP concerns there that should be more thoroughly discussed. <a href="/wiki/User:Estar8806" title="User:Estar8806">estar8806</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Estar8806" title="User talk:Estar8806">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Estar8806" title="Special:Contributions/Estar8806">★</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Estar8806-20241104221800-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Estar8806-20241104221800-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Estar8806-20241104221800-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SENTENCECASE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SENTENCECASE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BarrelProof-20241105020100-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>WP:SENTENCECASE</a> please</b>. —⁠ ⁠<a href="/wiki/User:BarrelProof" title="User:BarrelProof">BarrelProof</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BarrelProof" title="User talk:BarrelProof">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-BarrelProof-20241105020100-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BarrelProof-20241105020100-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BarrelProof-20241105020100-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241105215400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Comment</b> <a href="/wiki/White_party" class="mw-disambig" title="White party">White party</a> and <a href="/wiki/White_parties" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="White parties">White parties</a> currently redirect to <a href="/wiki/Circuit_party" title="Circuit party">Circuit party</a>. Is that a justified primary topic? If not, we can consider a move to the undisambiguated title. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-162_etc.-20241105215400-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241105215400-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162_etc.-20241105215400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215400"></span>I think it is justified, they have a long history in African-American culture <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/sep/10/white-party-black-culture-diddy">[1]</a>. We should really work to expand the circuit party article and reclaim the term. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241108214600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"></span>Per <a href="/wiki/Circuit_party" title="Circuit party">Circuit party</a>, these events were typically attended by white gay men. The article does not mention African-Americans, nor does it mention the attendees wearing white clothing. This citation from <i>The Guardian</i> appears to refer to a different type of white party. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-162_etc.-20241108214600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241108214600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162_etc.-20241108214600-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-162_etc.-20241108214600"></span>The Guardian</i> article specifically references "Black communities in the US" and Black culture. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-162_etc.-20241108214600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-162_etc.-20241108214600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-162_etc.-20241108214600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241109171900-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900"></span>That's correct. I'm referring to the <a href="/wiki/Circuit_party" title="Circuit party">Circuit party</a> article, the current primary topic, which makes no mention of either. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-162_etc.-20241109171900-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241109171900-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162_etc.-20241109171900-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241105215700-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Comment</b> <a href="/wiki/White_Party" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="White Party">White Party</a>, a minor political party is Azerbaijan, is unlikely to be the primary topic for the capitalized title. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-162_etc.-20241105215700-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241105215700-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162_etc.-20241105215700-Yovt-20241104185700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/White_Party" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="White Party"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215700"></span>White Party</a> was formerly about circuit parties before it was redirected to <a href="/wiki/Circuit_party" title="Circuit party">Circuit party</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-162_etc.-20241105215700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162_etc.-20241108214100-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"></span>Note the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFFCAPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFFCAPS">WP:DIFFCAPS</a>. This article is unrelated to circuit parties. <a href="/wiki/User:162_etc." title="User:162 etc.">162 etc.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:162_etc." title="User talk:162 etc.">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-162_etc.-20241108214100-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162_etc.-20241108214100-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162_etc.-20241108214100-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241120202000-162_etc.-20241105215700"></span>I have history split the prior article about circuit parties to <a href="/wiki/White_Party_(LGBT)" class="mw-redirect" title="White Party (LGBT)">White Party (LGBT)</a>, moved the article on the Azerbaijan party to <a href="/wiki/White_Party_(Azerbaijan)" title="White Party (Azerbaijan)">White Party (Azerbaijan)</a> and created a disambiguation page at <a href="/wiki/White_party" class="mw-disambig" title="White party">White party</a> with <a href="/wiki/White_Party" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="White Party">White Party</a> redirecting there. Despite all of that I don't have an opinion on this move request. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Pppery-20241120202000-162_etc.-20241105215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241120202000-162_etc.-20241105215700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241120202000-162_etc.-20241105215700"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=Sean_Combs%27_parties&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sean Combs' parties (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cinderella157-20241106092900-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Sean Combs' parties</a></b> Searching, I see they are referred to by various "names" and sometimes as just <i>party/parties</i> held by Combs/Diddy. Our article for him is titled "<a href="/wiki/Sean_Combs" title="Sean Combs">Sean Combs</a>". <i>White</i> is just a theme, so no need to cap <i>white party</i> in prose or <i>freak off</i> either. While W|<a href="/wiki/White_party" class="mw-disambig" title="White party">white party</a> is a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Circuit_party" title="Circuit party">circuit party</a>, that article does not mention <i>white party</i>. When we work out what title to use here, we probably need to tidy up a couple of things. <a href="/wiki/User:Cinderella157" title="User:Cinderella157">Cinderella157</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cinderella157" title="User talk:Cinderella157">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Cinderella157-20241106092900-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cinderella157-20241106092900-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cinderella157-20241106092900-Yovt-20241104185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-Cinderella157-20241106092900"></span>This article refers to a specific set of parties, clearly defined and described in the references. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-Cinderella157-20241106092900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-Cinderella157-20241106092900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241108211000-Cinderella157-20241106092900"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Oppose</b> as per ModernDayTrilobite, this article refers to a specific series of parties that occurred from 1997 to 2009. When I created the article I considered other titles such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Sean_Comb%27s_White_Parties&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Sean Comb's White Parties (page does not exist)">Sean Comb's White Parties</a> (sounds too commercial) and <a href="/w/index.php?title=White_Parties_of_Sean_Combs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="White Parties of Sean Combs (page does not exist)">White Parties of Sean Combs</a> (too specific?) The 'freak off' parties referred to in the indictments <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c869qd5j09xo">[2]</a> are a different set of events. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241109140900-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BD2412-20241112184400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Relisting comment</b>: Relisting for clearer consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412"><span style="background:gold"><i><b>BD2412</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412"><b>T</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-BD2412-20241112184400-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BD2412-20241112184400-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BD2412-20241112184400-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ortizesp-20241112191600-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Support</b> per COMMONNAME and NATURAL.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ortizesp" title="User:Ortizesp">Ortizesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ortizesp" title="User talk:Ortizesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Ortizesp-20241112191600-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ortizesp-20241112191600-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ortizesp-20241112191600-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CavsFan45-20241113015000-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>I have heard many people talk about Diddy Parties but no one about "White Parties" <a href="/wiki/User:CavsFan45" title="User:CavsFan45">CavsFan45</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CavsFan45" title="User talk:CavsFan45">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-CavsFan45-20241113015000-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CavsFan45-20241113015000-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CavsFan45-20241113015000-Yovt-20241104185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700-CavsFan45-20241113015000"></span>The article is about a specific series of parties, the term is well established in the references. <a href="/wiki/User:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User:No Swan So Fine">No Swan So Fine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:No_Swan_So_Fine" title="User talk:No Swan So Fine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700-CavsFan45-20241113015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700-CavsFan45-20241113015000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700-CavsFan45-20241113015000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Web-julio-20241116072000-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700"></span>I think he is talking about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PLURAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PLURAL">wp:PLURAL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Web-julio-20241116072000-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Web-julio-20241116072000-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Web-julio-20241116072000-No_Swan_So_Fine-20241114145700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-20241121013100-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Sean Combs white parties</b> would probably work. This article is about a specific series of white-themed parties organized by Combs, not every Combs party. It is not really necessary to use a possessive here ("Sean Combs's white parties"), so be more <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCISE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCISE">WP:CONCISE</a>. And "White parties (Sean Combs)" is against our disambiguation practices (because these parties are not a type of "Sean Combs", and "Sean Combs" is not a narrowing characteristic of the events themselves). "Diddy parties" could also work if it's common enough in the source material, but we have to face the fact that this article title is necessary at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NDESC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NDESC">WP:NDESC</a> case, where WP is using a descriptive lable, as these parties have no proper or "official" name, nor a clearly established <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> in independent sources. An argument could be made to be more concise yet by using a singular (regardless what clarifier of "party" is applied), but this seems like a naturally, intrinsically plural subject. That is, it's the series of parties as a "unit" of sorts, over a time span, that is the subject; the article isn't really about a type or sort of party, <span title="Latin-language text"><i lang="la">per se</i></span>.<p><b>Use lower-case regardless</b>: Zero of the appellations given to these parties constitute proper names, and none of them are consistently capitalized in sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> 😼 </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-SMcCandlish-20241121013100-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-20241121013100-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-20241121013100-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></p></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yovt-20241121032500-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Comment</b> <small>by nom</small> : A highlighted concern of this move request is that this article <i>only focuses on a specific set of white parties by Combs</i>. This begs the question of whether the scope of the article should be expanded to included “<i>freak-off</i>” parties referred to in the indictments as well. Of course, this topic may take place in a separate discussion, but I think this should be noted now.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Yovt" title="User:Yovt">𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yovt" title="User talk:Yovt">𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Yovt-20241121032500-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yovt-20241121032500-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yovt-20241121032500-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165700-Yovt-20241104185700"></span>Support</b> "Diddy party", is the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. "Diddy parties" is also fine. I've heard "Diddy part(y/ies)" and "Freak offs" hundreds of times, but not once "White Party" before reading this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Feeglgeef" title="User:Feeglgeef">Feeglgeef</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Feeglgeef" title="User talk:Feeglgeef">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diddy_parties#c-Feeglgeef-20241125165700-Yovt-20241104185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165700-Yovt-20241104185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feeglgeef-20241125165700-Yovt-20241104185700"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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