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href="#Propriété_fantômatique"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Propriété fantômatique</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Q131105733#P373"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Q131105733#P373</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Création d'un élément homonyme pour une même commune ?</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures-20241112172900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures-20241112172900"></span>Q130332223 Echologia Aventures<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures-20241112172900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Q130332223 Echologia Aventures"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures"></span>Q130332223 Echologia Aventures (le premier et plus gros centre de formation en aquaponie de France) a été supprimé. selon la discussion <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#R%C3%A9my_Goumaz_:_admissible_">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#R%C3%A9my_Goumaz_:_admissible_</a>? cela semblerait être injustifié vu les sources qui le décrivent : <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/louverne-53950/on-propose-une-reelle-immersion-echologia-en-mayenne-ce-n-est-pas-que-des-cabanes-en-bois-ec280606-8ac4-11ed-b974-98872541103d">[1]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/pays-de-la-loire/mayenne/mayenne-53100/video-echologia-un-parc-atypique-pour-vivre-un-week-end-en-osmose-avec-la-nature-2718654.html">[2]</a>, comment est-ce qu'on annule cela ? <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241112172900-Q130332223_Echologia_Aventures"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ayack-20241112183100-Marc_wik-20241112172900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> J'ai restauré l'élément sur l'entreprise <a href="/wiki/Q130332223" title="Q130332223">Echologia Aventures <small>(Q130332223)</small></a>, créé un autre pour le parc de loisirs <a href="/wiki/Q131154866" title="Q131154866">Echologia <small>(Q131154866)</small></a> et changé le rattachement sur OSM. Pour la partie aquaponie, il faudrait un élément spécifique Aquaponia je pense vu qu'il s'agit d'une autre structure avec son propre site web. <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ayack" title="User talk:Ayack"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Ayack-20241112183100-Marc_wik-20241112172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ayack-20241112183100-Marc_wik-20241112172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ayack-20241112183100-Marc_wik-20241112172900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241117124300-Ayack-20241112183100"></span>Merci <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Marc_wik-20241117124300-Ayack-20241112183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241117124300-Ayack-20241112183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241117124300-Ayack-20241112183100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241121110000-Ayack-20241112183100"></span>qu'est-ce qui manque/manquait pour que la suppression n'ai pas eu lieu ? dans la demande de suppression il y avait le manque de lien mais je ne vois pas trop quoi mettre d'utile <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Marc_wik-20241121110000-Ayack-20241112183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241121110000-Ayack-20241112183100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241121110000-Ayack-20241112183100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241121132600-Marc_wik-20241121110000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik"><bdi>Marc wik</bdi></a>: les critères sont là : <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Notability/fr" title="Wikidata:Notability/fr">Wikidata:Notability/fr</a>. Avoir un lien vers un projet Wikimédia n'est qu'un des trois critères (et le moins courant, la majorité des éléments n'ont pas ce lien). Là, notamment par rapport au second critère, on est dans une zone grise ; ce qui manque surtout ce sont des références de qualité (par exemple tout les identifiants sont administratifs et interdépendants, de plus existent même pour une entreprise d'une personne ayant eu un seul jour d'existence, or cette dernière ne serait pas suffisamment notoire pour Wikidata). Le fait que l'élément soit orphelin le faisait échouer au troisième critère, dans un web des données liées, les éléments non-liées n'ont pas vraiment leur place. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-VIGNERON-20241121132600-Marc_wik-20241121110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241121132600-Marc_wik-20241121110000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241121132600-Marc_wik-20241121110000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241123084000-VIGNERON-20241121132600"></span>J'ai relu les critères, mais vu le nombre de demande d'effacement au motif no 1, je me demandais s'il y avait quelque chose à améliorer pour faire mieux ressortir le critère "gris blanc" du 2ieme critère. pour moi tout entreprise est une "entité matérielle ou conceptuelle clairement identifiable qui peut être décrite en utilisant des références sérieuses et disponibles publiquement" et devront donc être ajoutable dans wikidata, même si elle n'est pas encore lié à d'autres chose (elle est d’ailleurs lié ne fusse que par son identifiant légal). Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Marc_wik-20241123084000-VIGNERON-20241121132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241123084000-VIGNERON-20241121132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241123084000-VIGNERON-20241121132600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Propriété_fantômatique" data-mw-thread-id="h-Propriété_fantômatique-20241116145600"><span id="Propri.C3.A9t.C3.A9_fant.C3.B4matique"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Propriété_fantômatique-20241116145600"></span>Propriété fantômatique<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Propriété_fantômatique-20241116145600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Propriété fantômatique"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid var(--border-color-base, #a2a9b1); border-radius:2px; background-color:var(--background-color-neutral, #eaecf0); color:inherit; font-size:85%; text-align:center; padding:0.5em; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; width:12em;" class="plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a><br/><b><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377986" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T377986"><span class="trakfab-T377986">Task T377986</span></a></b><br/></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FoeNyx-20241116145600-Propriété_fantômatique"></span>Quand je clique sur « ajouter une déclaration », l'interface me propose automatiquement la propriété « P7859 » (sans libellé), or il s'avère que cette propriété <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P7859&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P7859 (page does not exist)">P7859 <small dir="ltr">(P7859)</small></a> a été supprimée récemment (le 13 octobre dernier). Cela ressemble donc fort à un bogue ou un cache à purger. Suis-je le seul à rencontrer ce bogue ? Sauriez-vous comment y remédier, ou qui contacter ? « Je vois des propriétés qui sont mortes » -- <a href="/wiki/User:FoeNyx" title="User:FoeNyx">FoeNyx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FoeNyx" title="User talk:FoeNyx"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-FoeNyx-20241116145600-Propriété_fantômatique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FoeNyx-20241116145600-Propriété_fantômatique"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FoeNyx-20241116145600-Propriété_fantômatique"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241117100200-FoeNyx-20241116145600"></span>J'ai la même question, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P7859&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P7859 (page does not exist)">P7859 <small dir="ltr">(P7859)</small></a> est la première propriété suggérée par <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Recoin" title="Wikidata:Recoin">Recoin</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Una_tantum-20241117100200-FoeNyx-20241116145600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241117100200-FoeNyx-20241116145600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241117100200-FoeNyx-20241116145600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241117154500-Una_tantum-20241117100200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FoeNyx" title="User:FoeNyx"><bdi>FoeNyx</bdi></a>: Je ne suis pas sûre au 100% mais vu qu'il existe <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PropertySuggester" class="extiw" title="mw:Extension:PropertySuggester">PropertySuggester</a> peut-être que c'est lié, dans ce cas il faudrait <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/43/">reporter le bogue sur Phabricator</a> (avec le tag MediaWiki-extensions-PropertySuggester). Cordialement,--<a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Una_tantum-20241117154500-Una_tantum-20241117100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241117154500-Una_tantum-20241117100200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241117154500-Una_tantum-20241117100200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200-Una_tantum-20241117154500"></span>voilà le ticket invitant à mettre à jour la liste des propriétés. <a href="/wiki/User:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User:Pyb en résidence">Pyb en résidence</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pyb_en_r%C3%A9sidence" title="User talk:Pyb en résidence"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200-Una_tantum-20241117154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200-Una_tantum-20241117154500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200-Una_tantum-20241117154500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FoeNyx-20241121185200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200"></span>Merci ! <a href="/wiki/User:FoeNyx" title="User:FoeNyx">FoeNyx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FoeNyx" title="User talk:FoeNyx"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-FoeNyx-20241121185200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FoeNyx-20241121185200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FoeNyx-20241121185200-Pyb_en_résidence-20241117155200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q131105733#P373" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q131105733#P373-20241120100800"><span id="Q131105733.23P373"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q131105733#P373-20241120100800"></span>Q131105733#P373<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q131105733#P373-20241120100800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Q131105733#P373"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_tantum-20241120100800-Q131105733#P373"></span>Bonjour, j'ai du mal à comprendre pourquoi <a href="/wiki/Q131105733#P373" title="Q131105733">Q131105733#P373</a> est signalé avec le point d'exclamation avec la note « Problème potentiel : contrainte de lien Commons. Le lien vers Wikimedia Commons devrait exister. » La catégorie de Commons existe depuis 2012 et apparemment je l'ai bien renseignée, le lien marche bien. En outre, le point d'exclamation ne s'affiche pas toujours quand je vide la cache. Quel est le problème ? <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_tantum" title="User talk:Una tantum"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Una_tantum-20241120100800-Q131105733#P373" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_tantum-20241120100800-Q131105733#P373"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_tantum-20241120100800-Q131105733#P373"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VIGNERON-20241120105100-Una_tantum-20241120100800"></span>Bonjour <a href="/wiki/User:Una_tantum" title="User:Una tantum">Una tantum</a> comme tu le dis un peu, c'est simplement un problème de cache. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-VIGNERON-20241120105100-Una_tantum-20241120100800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VIGNERON-20241120105100-Una_tantum-20241120100800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VIGNERON-20241120105100-Una_tantum-20241120100800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?-20241122180200"><span id="Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27un_.C3.A9l.C3.A9ment_homonyme_pour_une_m.C3.AAme_commune_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?-20241122180200"></span>Création d'un élément homonyme pour une même commune ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?-20241122180200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Création d'un élément homonyme pour une même commune ?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Père_Igor-20241122180200-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?"></span>Bonjour. Je souhaite améliorer l'élément Le Buisson-de-Cadouin (<a href="/wiki/Q634086" title="Q634086">Q634086</a>), commune qui a porté 4 noms successifs et connu 5 périodes successives dont 2 avec le nom actuel. Pour les deux dernières périodes, il y a eu du 1/1/1974 au 15/2/1989 <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune-supprimee/24068-le-buisson-de-cadouin">[3]</a> la commune avec trois communes associées, Cadouin, Paleyrac et Urval <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune-supprimee/24560-urval">[4]</a>. À cette date, Urval (<a href="/wiki/Q1076386" title="Q1076386">Q1076386</a>) a repris son autonomie <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune/24560-urval">[5]</a> et Le Buisson-de-Cadouin reste avec les deux autres communes associées <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune/24068-le-buisson-de-cadouin">[6]</a>. Pensez-vous qu'il serait utile de créer un élément spécifique pour Le Buisson-de-Cadouin pour cette période entre 1974 et 1989 ? <a href="/wiki/User:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User:Père Igor">Père Igor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User talk:Père Igor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Père_Igor-20241122180200-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Père_Igor-20241122180200-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Père_Igor-20241122180200-Création_d'un_élément_homonyme_pour_une_même_commune_?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marc_wik-20241123083600-Père_Igor-20241122180200"></span>quel était ces ref ou autre qui te font penser que Buisson-de-Cadouin en 1974-1989 est un élément distinc de Buisson-de-Cadouin avant ou après cette date ? j'ai l'impression que c'est juste une scission avec une entité Buisson-de-Cadouin qui est présente tant avant que apres la scission, même si elle a changé de taille, c'est son "histoire". ce n'est pas comme si une structure A s'était coupé en B et C dont l'un des 2 avait repris le même nom <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik">Marc wik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marc_wik" title="User talk:Marc wik"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Marc_wik-20241123083600-Père_Igor-20241122180200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marc_wik-20241123083600-Père_Igor-20241122180200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marc_wik-20241123083600-Père_Igor-20241122180200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Père_Igor-20241123112700-Marc_wik-20241123083600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marc_wik" title="User:Marc wik"><bdi>Marc wik</bdi></a>: bonjour. Les références, je les ai fournies ci-dessus. C'est l'INSEE qui considère deux périodes différentes pour cette commune : <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune-supprimee/24068-le-buisson-de-cadouin">commune supprimée</a> et <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.insee.fr/fr/metadonnees/geographie/commune/24068-le-buisson-de-cadouin">commune actuelle</a>.</dd> <dd>Dans d'autres cas, je vois que cela a déjà été fait pour l'ancienne commune Boulazac Isle Manoire (<a href="/wiki/Q21979644" title="Q21979644">Q21979644</a>) en 2016 puis Boulazac Isle Manoire (<a href="/wiki/Q30041807" title="Q30041807">Q30041807</a>) pour la commune actuelle depuis 2017. Idem avec Brantôme en Périgord (<a href="/wiki/Q21979645" title="Q21979645">Q21979645</a>) ancienne commune de 2016 à 2018 et Brantôme en Périgord (<a href="/wiki/Q60847728" title="Q60847728">Q60847728</a>) commune actuelle depuis 2019. Je vais me baser sur ces modèles pour créer Le Buisson-de-Cadouin entre 1974 et 1985. <a href="/wiki/User:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User:Père Igor">Père Igor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P%C3%A8re_Igor" title="User talk:Père Igor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Bistro#c-Père_Igor-20241123112700-Marc_wik-20241123083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Père_Igor-20241123112700-Marc_wik-20241123083600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Père_Igor-20241123112700-Marc_wik-20241123083600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img 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