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href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive">Archive</a></bdi></div></div></div> <div id="contentSub2"></div> <div id="jump-to-nav"></div> <a class="mw-jump-link" href="#mw-head">Jump to navigation</a> <a class="mw-jump-link" href="#searchInput">Jump to search</a> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content"><div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Autoignition_temperature">1 Autoignition temperature</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#electric_charge">2 electric charge</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Dipole_moment_(en)">3 Dipole moment (en)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#lower_flammable_limit">4 lower flammable limit</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#upper_flammable_limit">5 upper flammable limit</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#minimum_explosive_concentration">6 minimum explosive concentration</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#first_aid_response_to_exposure">7 first aid response to exposure</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#lethal_dose">8 lethal dose</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Uncertainty">9 Uncertainty</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#relative_density_to_air">10 relative density to air</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Periodic_table_block">11 Periodic table block</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Mass_/_Weight_property">12 Mass / Weight property</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Mass">13 Mass</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#atomic_mass">14 atomic mass</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#empty_weight">15 empty weight</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#maximum_takeoff_weight">16 maximum takeoff weight</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#maximum_payload_weight">17 maximum payload weight</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here">18 Generic or Specific: Vote here</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-19"><a href="#Properties_created">18.1 Properties created</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-20"><a href="#Voting">18.2 Voting</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#volume">19 volume</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Hepburn_romanization">20 Hepburn romanization</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Georgian_national_system_of_romanization">21 Georgian national system of romanization</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#ISO_9">22 ISO 9</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#history_of_topic">23 history of topic</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#relative_to">24 relative to</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#DLI">25 DLI</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Wiki_Loves_Monuments_ID">26 Wiki Loves Monuments ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#SIGIC_-_Slovenian_Music_Information_Center">27 SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#SIGIC_(person)">28 SIGIC (person)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#SIGIC_(group)">29 SIGIC (group)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#SIGIC_(institution)">30 SIGIC (institution)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#United_Nations_Standard_Products_and_Services_Code_(UNSPSC)">31 United Nations Standard Products and Services Code (UNSPSC)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#British_political_IDs">32 British political IDs</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#PublicWhip_identifier">32.1 PublicWhip identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-36"><a href="#Hansard_(currents_session)_identifier">32.2 Hansard (currents session) identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-37"><a href="#They_Work_for_You_identifier">32.3 They Work for You identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-38"><a href="#Parliamentary_record_identifier">32.4 Parliamentary record identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-39"><a href="#BBC_News_Democracy_Live_identifier">32.5 BBC News Democracy Live identifier</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Biblionet_identifiers">33 Biblionet identifiers</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-41"><a href="#BiblioNet_publication_identifier">33.1 BiblioNet publication identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-42"><a href="#BiblioNet_author_identifier">33.2 BiblioNet author identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-43"><a href="#BiblioNet_publisher_identifier">33.3 BiblioNet publisher identifier</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Identification_Number_of_Fantastique_Literature_(NILF)">34 Identification Number of Fantastique Literature (NILF)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#C-SPAN_identifier_of_a_person">35 C-SPAN identifier of a person</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#endangeredlanguages.com_ID">36 endangeredlanguages.com ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#PSS-Archi_architect_id">37 PSS-Archi architect id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#Soccerbase_manager_id">38 Soccerbase manager id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Soccerbase_player_id">39 Soccerbase player id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#arrest_date">40 arrest date</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#MoMA_artist_id">41 MoMA artist id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#maximum_thrust">42 maximum thrust</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#Semi-major_axis">43 Semi-major axis</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#distance_from_river_mouth">44 distance from river mouth</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#Spatial_length">45 Spatial length</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Autoignition_temperature" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autoignition_temperature-2013-07-08T12:12:00.000Z">Autoignition temperature</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Autoignition temperature">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262253935">.mw-parser-output .property-navibox{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);border:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);outline:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:4px}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:right;margin:0}body.rtl .mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li{display:inline;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:after{display:inline;content:" – "}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:last-child:after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main{overflow-x:auto}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox table{display:table;overflow-x:visible}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main tr{vertical-align:text-top}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="ltr"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-right:1em;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="rtl"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-left:1em;text-align:right}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{display:flex;flex-direction:column-reverse}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>td,.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>th{display:block}}</style><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2199" title="Property:P2199">autoignition temperature</a> (P2199) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2199" title="Property talk:P2199">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>lowest temperature at which it will spontaneously ignite in a normal atmosphere without an external source of ignition</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>quantity (units = temperature)-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>fr:infobox chimie, en:chembox</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemistry, physic</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2013-07-08T12:12:00.000Z-Autoignition_temperature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - have you also considered using "ignition point = 100 °C" with a qualifier "ignitions conditions (item) = autoignition, flame point, ...". --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-07-08T18:29:00.000Z-Autoignition_temperature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Why not. But how many different ignition temperature do we have ? The most common temperature are flash point and autoignition temperature. There is still the ignition temperature but this is not widely used as characteristic criterion. So if we have only 2 properties we don't save anything by creating one general property and one qualifier. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2013-07-10T12:07:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-07-08T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That is true. We might even need those qualifiers for measurement conditions or something. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-07-19T08:45:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-07-10T12:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment couldn't this and the next property be modelled simply with the property temperature and qualifiers instanceof (Flash Point, autoignition) and pressure? — <a href="/wiki/User:FelixReimann" title="User:FelixReimann">Felix Reimann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FelixReimann" title="User talk:FelixReimann">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-FelixReimann-2013-08-09T23:03:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-07-08T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Having Autoignition as a separate property would make it easier to access from an infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Macadamia1472">Macadamia1472</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Macadamia1472">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Macadamia1472-2013-10-16T06:13:00.000Z-FelixReimann-2013-08-09T23:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. datatype changed. This should be a sub-property of Temperature. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:41:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-07-08T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="electric_charge" data-mw-thread-id="h-electric_charge-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z">electric charge</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: electric charge">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2200" title="Property:P2200">electric charge</a> (P2200) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2200" title="Property talk:P2200">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The electric charge of a subatomic particle.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>all subatomic particles</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z-electric_charge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-08T15:00:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Seems straight forward. --<a href="/wiki/User:Njardarlogar" title="User:Njardarlogar">Njardarlogar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Njardarlogar" title="User talk:Njardarlogar">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Njardarlogar-2013-02-15T21:22:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but confused with the units... Units have to be sorted out before implementing this proposal see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_Diskussion:Property_proposal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikidata Diskussion:Property proposal (page does not exist)">Wikidata Diskussion:Property proposal</a>.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C"><bdi>MER-C</bdi></a>: Could you still add the new property documentation template and an example where you want to use this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-04T14:33:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, see <a href="/wiki/Property:P2200" title="Property:P2200">electric charge (P2200)</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-GZWDer-2015-10-06T04:02:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dipole_moment_(en)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dipole_moment_(en)-2013-06-07T03:07:00.000Z">Dipole moment (en)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Dipole moment (en)">edit</a>]</div> See <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#Dipole_moment_(en)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/2">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#Dipole moment (en)</a> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2201" title="Property:P2201">electric dipole moment</a> (P2201) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2201" title="Property talk:P2201">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td>quantity with unit-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemistry, physics</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q283" title="Q283">water (Q283)</a>: 1.85 <a href="/wiki/Q40603" title="Q40603">debye (Q40603)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-GZWDer-2013-06-07T03:07:00.000Z-Dipole_moment_(en)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2013-06-07T12:09:00.000Z-Dipole_moment_(en)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 7 June 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kaligula&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kaligula (page does not exist)">Kaligula</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaligula" title="User talk:Kaligula">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Kaligula-2013-06-19T07:06:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-06-07T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:Saehrimnir" title="User:Saehrimnir">Saehrimnir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saehrimnir" title="User talk:Saehrimnir">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Saehrimnir-2013-06-24T15:46:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-06-07T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:I9606" title="User:I9606">I9606</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:I9606" title="User talk:I9606">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-I9606-2015-10-05T18:25:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-06-07T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 5 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:Emitraka" title="User:Emitraka">lv_ra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emitraka" title="User talk:Emitraka">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Emitraka-2015-10-06T13:38:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-06-07T12:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="lower_flammable_limit" data-mw-thread-id="h-lower_flammable_limit-2015-09-24T16:44:00.000Z">lower flammable limit</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: lower flammable limit">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2202" title="Property:P2202">lower flammable limit</a> (P2202) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2202" title="Property talk:P2202">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the lower bound of the concentration range over which a flammable mixture of gas or vapour in air can be ignited at a given temperature and pressure</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q899502" title="Q899502">flammability limit</a> (Q899502)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Chembox">en:Template:Chembox</a> parameter <code>ExploLimits</code></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>percentages, so presumably the highest it can go is 100%.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q421758" title="Q421758">methyl bromide (Q421758)</a> → 10%</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>Should we check for values that are negative or above 100%?</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/default.html">Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</a> published by <a href="/wiki/Q60346" title="Q60346">National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Future importation of Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is valuable safety information that I would like to import as part of my importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-09-24T16:44:00.000Z-lower_flammable_limit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Saehrimnir" title="User:Saehrimnir">Saehrimnir</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dcirovic" title="User:Dcirovic">Dcirovic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon Willighagen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DeSl" title="User:DeSl">Denise Slenter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">Emily Temple-Wood</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto (Almondega)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemConnector" title="User:ChemConnector">Antony Williams (EPA)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wostr" title="User:Wostr">Wostr</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Devon_Fyson" title="User:Devon Fyson">Devon Fyson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">User:DePiep</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DavRosen" title="User:DavRosen">User:DavRosen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminabel" title="User:Benjaminabel">Benjaminabel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:99of9" title="User:99of9">99of9</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kubaello" title="User:Kubaello">Kubaello</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fractaler" title="User:Fractaler">Fractaler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hugo" title="User:Hugo">Hugo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S9a8m" title="User:S9a8m">Samuel Clark</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leiem" title="User:Leiem">Leiem</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Christianhauck" title="User:Christianhauck">Christianhauck</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SCIdude" title="User:SCIdude">SCIdude</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Binter" title="User:Binter">Binter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Photocyte" title="User:Photocyte">Photocyte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rgiessmann" title="User:Rgiessmann">Robert Giessmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wiljes" title="User:Wiljes">Cord Wiljes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AdrianoRutz" title="User:AdrianoRutz">Adriano Rutz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bjonnh" title="User:Bjonnh">Jonathan Bisson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:GrndStt" title="User:GrndStt">GrndStt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cthoyt" title="User:Cthoyt">Charles Tapley Hoyt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemHobby" title="User:ChemHobby">ChemHobby</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Petermr" title="User:Petermr">Peter Murray-Rust</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Erfurth" title="User:Erfurth">Erfurth</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NadirSH" title="User:NadirSH">NadirSH</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matthias_M." title="User:Matthias M.">Matthias M.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S8321414" title="User:S8321414">S8321414</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants">participants of WikiProject Chemistry</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2015-09-27T23:05:00.000Z-lower_flammable_limit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="upper_flammable_limit" data-mw-thread-id="h-upper_flammable_limit-2015-09-24T16:48:00.000Z">upper flammable limit</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: upper flammable limit">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2203" title="Property:P2203">upper flammable limit</a> (P2203) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2203" title="Property talk:P2203">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the upper bound of the concentration range over which a flammable mixture of gas or vapour in air can be ignited at a given temperature and pressure</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q899502" title="Q899502">flammability limit</a> (Q899502)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chembox" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Chembox">en:Template:Chembox</a> parameter <code>ExploLimits</code></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>percentages, so presumably the highest it can go is 100%.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q421758" title="Q421758">methyl bromide (Q421758)</a> → 16.0%</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>Should we check for values that are negative or above 100%?</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/default.html">Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</a> published by <a href="/wiki/Q60346" title="Q60346">National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Future importation of Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is valuable safety information that I would like to import as part of my importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-09-24T16:48:00.000Z-upper_flammable_limit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Saehrimnir" title="User:Saehrimnir">Saehrimnir</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dcirovic" title="User:Dcirovic">Dcirovic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon Willighagen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DeSl" title="User:DeSl">Denise Slenter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">Emily Temple-Wood</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto (Almondega)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemConnector" title="User:ChemConnector">Antony Williams (EPA)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wostr" title="User:Wostr">Wostr</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Devon_Fyson" title="User:Devon Fyson">Devon Fyson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">User:DePiep</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DavRosen" title="User:DavRosen">User:DavRosen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminabel" title="User:Benjaminabel">Benjaminabel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:99of9" title="User:99of9">99of9</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kubaello" title="User:Kubaello">Kubaello</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fractaler" title="User:Fractaler">Fractaler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hugo" title="User:Hugo">Hugo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S9a8m" title="User:S9a8m">Samuel Clark</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leiem" title="User:Leiem">Leiem</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Christianhauck" title="User:Christianhauck">Christianhauck</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SCIdude" title="User:SCIdude">SCIdude</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Binter" title="User:Binter">Binter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Photocyte" title="User:Photocyte">Photocyte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rgiessmann" title="User:Rgiessmann">Robert Giessmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wiljes" title="User:Wiljes">Cord Wiljes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AdrianoRutz" title="User:AdrianoRutz">Adriano Rutz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bjonnh" title="User:Bjonnh">Jonathan Bisson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:GrndStt" title="User:GrndStt">GrndStt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cthoyt" title="User:Cthoyt">Charles Tapley Hoyt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemHobby" title="User:ChemHobby">ChemHobby</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Petermr" title="User:Petermr">Peter Murray-Rust</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Erfurth" title="User:Erfurth">Erfurth</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NadirSH" title="User:NadirSH">NadirSH</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matthias_M." title="User:Matthias M.">Matthias M.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S8321414" title="User:S8321414">S8321414</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants">participants of WikiProject Chemistry</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2015-09-27T23:06:00.000Z-upper_flammable_limit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 27 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="minimum_explosive_concentration" data-mw-thread-id="h-minimum_explosive_concentration-2015-09-24T17:50:00.000Z">minimum explosive concentration</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: minimum explosive concentration">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2204" title="Property:P2204">minimum explosive concentration</a> (P2204) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2204" title="Property talk:P2204">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the minimum concentration at which a chemical can explode</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number with a unit of measurement that represents density, such as <a href="/wiki/Q834105" title="Q834105">gram per litre (Q834105)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q41534" title="Q41534">starch (Q41534)</a> → 0.05 <a href="/wiki/Q834105" title="Q834105">gram per litre (Q834105)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/default.html">Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</a>, published by <a href="/wiki/Q60346" title="Q60346">National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Future mass importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is important chemical safety information that will be included as part of the importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-09-24T17:50:00.000Z-minimum_explosive_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 24 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Saehrimnir" title="User:Saehrimnir">Saehrimnir</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dcirovic" title="User:Dcirovic">Dcirovic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon Willighagen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DeSl" title="User:DeSl">Denise Slenter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">Emily Temple-Wood</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto (Almondega)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemConnector" title="User:ChemConnector">Antony Williams (EPA)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wostr" title="User:Wostr">Wostr</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Devon_Fyson" title="User:Devon Fyson">Devon Fyson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">User:DePiep</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DavRosen" title="User:DavRosen">User:DavRosen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminabel" title="User:Benjaminabel">Benjaminabel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:99of9" title="User:99of9">99of9</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kubaello" title="User:Kubaello">Kubaello</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fractaler" title="User:Fractaler">Fractaler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hugo" title="User:Hugo">Hugo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S9a8m" title="User:S9a8m">Samuel Clark</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leiem" title="User:Leiem">Leiem</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Christianhauck" title="User:Christianhauck">Christianhauck</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SCIdude" title="User:SCIdude">SCIdude</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Binter" title="User:Binter">Binter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Photocyte" title="User:Photocyte">Photocyte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rgiessmann" title="User:Rgiessmann">Robert Giessmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wiljes" title="User:Wiljes">Cord Wiljes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AdrianoRutz" title="User:AdrianoRutz">Adriano Rutz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bjonnh" title="User:Bjonnh">Jonathan Bisson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:GrndStt" title="User:GrndStt">GrndStt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cthoyt" title="User:Cthoyt">Charles Tapley Hoyt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemHobby" title="User:ChemHobby">ChemHobby</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Petermr" title="User:Petermr">Peter Murray-Rust</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Erfurth" title="User:Erfurth">Erfurth</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NadirSH" title="User:NadirSH">NadirSH</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matthias_M." title="User:Matthias M.">Matthias M.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S8321414" title="User:S8321414">S8321414</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants">participants of WikiProject Chemistry</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Is there really a standard value ? Concentration is not enough, particule size is important too. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2015-09-27T23:09:00.000Z-minimum_explosive_concentration" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 27 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a>, the standard for testing minimum explosive concentration is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.astm.org/Standards/E1515.htm">ASTM E1515</a>. While not considered an "absolute" measurement, it is a way by which dust clouds of different substances can be compared on the basis of their explosiveness. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-10-01T13:49:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-09-27T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support For controlled vocabulary we should probably include the organization in the title. I would suggest "minimum explosive concentration according to ASTM E1515" --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-04T17:51:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-09-27T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What if the reference to ASTM E1515 was through <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard (P459)</a>, in case other standards are also used? <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-10-07T16:18:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-10-04T17:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 7 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="first_aid_response_to_exposure" data-mw-thread-id="h-first_aid_response_to_exposure-2015-09-25T19:16:00.000Z">first aid response to exposure</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: first aid response to exposure">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2239" title="Property:P2239">first aid measures</a> (P2239) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2239" title="Property talk:P2239">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>appropriate first aid protocol to employ when exposed to a chemical through a certain exposure route</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q133981" title="Q133981">first aid</a> (Q133981)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemicals or other things that are hazardous to health</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>subclasses of <a href="/wiki/Q133981" title="Q133981">first aid (Q133981)</a> such as <a href="/wiki/Q21010959" title="Q21010959">skin frostbite protocol (Q21010959)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q21010971" title="Q21010971">move to fresh air (Q21010971)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1119" title="Q1119">hafnium (Q1119)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q21010953" title="Q21010953">immediate eye irrigation (Q21010953)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q21010964" class="mw-redirect" title="Q21010964">prompt water flush with soap (Q21010964)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q545991" title="Q545991">artificial respiration (Q545991)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q21010973" title="Q21010973">immediate medical attention (Q21010973)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/default.html">Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</a>, published by <a href="/wiki/Q60346" title="Q60346">National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Part of future mass importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is part of a mass importation of data from the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata. There are multiple first aid responses for each chemical depending on the route of exposure and toxicity of that particular chemical. Once the chemical route of exposure property is created, I can associate that with each first aid-related item that I created so that it is clearer which is associated with which route of exposure. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-09-25T19:16:00.000Z-first_aid_response_to_exposure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support But I would just call it "first aid measures" or something more general. This property could also be used for items for injuries and topics in emergency medicine. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:05:00.000Z-first_aid_response_to_exposure" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds good to me. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-10-07T16:29:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 7 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href="/wiki/User:Ameer_Fauri" title="User:Ameer Fauri">Ameer Fauri</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CorraleH" title="User:CorraleH">CorraleH</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Medicine/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Medicine/Participants">participants of WikiProject Medicine</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:05:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-11T18:11:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="lethal_dose" data-mw-thread-id="h-lethal_dose-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z">lethal dose</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: lethal dose">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2240" title="Property:P2240">median lethal dose (LD50)</a> (P2240) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2240" title="Property talk:P2240">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>lethal dose, included <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDLo" class="extiw" title="en:LDLo">LDLo</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50" class="extiw" title="en:LD50">LD50</a>, LD100. see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Chemistry_task_force/Properties" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Chemistry task force/Properties">Wikidata:Chemistry_task_force/Properties</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q143200" title="Q143200">mercuric chloride (Q143200)</a>=>41 mg/kg with species=rat, <a href="/wiki/Property:P636" title="Property:P636">route of administration (P636)</a>=dermal, <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic">specifically</a>=<a href="/wiki/Q711849" title="Q711849">median lethal dose (Q711849)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation. <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z-lethal_dose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 30 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't think <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDLo" class="extiw" title="en:LDLo">LDLo</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50" class="extiw" title="en:LD50">LD50</a>, LD100, etc. should be merged together. --<a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Leyo-2013-12-03T14:45:00.000Z-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support But I would prefer one property for each different concept because for toxicity we have already the species or the different conditions like the experiment duration for concentration as qualifier. as first target I propose to have one property for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LD50" class="extiw" title="en:LD50">LD50</a>, we can wait a little before creating two other properties for the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDLo" class="extiw" title="en:LDLo">LDLo</a> and LD100 which are not used in the same extend as for LD50. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2014-01-29T12:30:00.000Z-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 29 January 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment. I agree with Snipre: we should have different properties for all the different toxicity metric. I also think these properties should be taxon-specific, since <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Simple_queries" title="Wikidata:Development plan">qualifiers will not be queryable</a> in the foreseeable future. So we should start with LD50 for humans. I'd recommend proposing these properties in a batch, so we're not waiting 3 months to get these properties created. <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Emw-2014-02-01T05:45:00.000Z-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - looks useful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jakec-2014-02-02T16:08:00.000Z-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2240" title="Property:P2240">median lethal dose (LD50) (P2240)</a> to LD₅₀ --<a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Almondega-2015-10-12T13:14:00.000Z-GZWDer-2013-11-30T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Uncertainty" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uncertainty-2015-06-18T13:05:00.000Z">Uncertainty</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Uncertainty">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Statistical uncertainty</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>tbc</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Freebase</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Freebase" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Freebase">Freebase import</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> To be used as a qualifier. Needed to import <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.freebase.com/chemistry/atomic_mass/uncertainty">https://www.freebase.com/chemistry/atomic_mass/uncertainty</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T13:05:00.000Z-Uncertainty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: The Freebase link does not work for me at the moment, so I can't look at the exmaple. I think the proposal needs a more general discussion on how things like this should be handled. The measure is meaningless without knowing (1) how it was calculated and (2) what the calculated uncertainty is (3) if it is given as a fraction, percentage or in absolute values. For example <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicium" class="extiw" title="en:Copernicium">en:Copernicium</a> even has an asymmetric uncertainty: 357 (+112/−108)K given in the absolute measure and the mode of calculation should be mentioned in the source. I am not sure the number-datatype can handle this complexity. We need some kind of datatype that gives us a few fields for all these values. For example Uncertainty: (Field 1: +Uncertainty)[Number], (Field 2: -Uncertainty, Optional: only use when asymmetric)[Number], (Field 3: Relative, Absolute)[Item], (Field 4: Mode of Calculation)[Item]. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z-Uncertainty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Link works for me (you need to select the "instances" tab for example values). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T13:26:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Should be part of a global concept for uncertainty because uncertainty is not only one value. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2015-06-22T12:58:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>+1 <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Succu-2015-06-26T21:51:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Scientific data will stay a minority here. The general concept (± operator) is enough for the moment.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kopiersperre" title="User talk:Kopiersperre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Kopiersperre-2015-06-27T17:28:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>We will have tons of scientific data here in the future. But this should be done with datatype quantity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>)</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose in favor of the future built-in data types for this.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng" title="User:Jasper Deng">Jasper Deng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jasper_Deng" title="User talk:Jasper Deng">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jasper_Deng-2015-07-03T02:48:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question Could you fill the example field? It's not clear for me. <a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Almondega-2015-08-14T03:09:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>We already have this in the units datatype. Did you mean '<a href="/wiki/Q208498" title="Q208498">confidence interval (Q208498)</a>' (95%?) or the number of '<a href="/wiki/Q159375" title="Q159375">standard deviation (Q159375)</a>'? This would be better as part of the data model for the quantity datatype so that there is no danger of one being edited independent of the other. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-02T22:58:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: I think we need a property to express uncertainty in the qualifiers (e.g. "uncertainty corresponds to" = "1 sigma"). But I think it needs a fresh start with a new proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-15T11:18:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="relative_density_to_air" data-mw-thread-id="h-relative_density_to_air-2015-09-24T18:12:00.000Z">relative density to air</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: relative density to air">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the density of a gas relative to the density of air at the same temperature</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11027905" title="Q11027905">relative density</a> (Q11027905)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>gases</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any number (dimensionless)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q421758" title="Q421758">methyl bromide (Q421758)</a> → 3.36</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/default.html">Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</a>, published by <a href="/wiki/Q60346" title="Q60346">National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (Q60346)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Part of future mass importation of the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is part of a mass importation of data from the Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards into Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User:James Hare (NIOSH)">James Hare (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:James_Hare_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:James Hare (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-James_Hare_(NIOSH)-2015-09-24T18:12:00.000Z-relative_density_to_air" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Currently I think we can calculate relative densities from all the abosolute densitities. This also avoids that we have to define "standard air density". --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-04T17:39:00.000Z-relative_density_to_air" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Not enough support. Alteranative probably works. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-15T11:19:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-10-04T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Periodic_table_block" data-mw-thread-id="h-Periodic_table_block-2015-06-18T13:20:00.000Z">Periodic table block</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Periodic table block">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The section of the periodic table to which an element belongs</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q193099" title="Q193099">block</a> (Q193099)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|block=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_element" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox element">en:Template:Infobox element</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>chemical elements</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q193099" title="Q193099">block (Q193099)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q629" title="Q629">oxygen (Q629)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q214483" title="Q214483">p-block (Q214483)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Freebase</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Freebase" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Freebase">Freebase import</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Needed to import <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.freebase.com/chemistry/chemical_element/periodic_table_block">https://www.freebase.com/chemistry/chemical_element/periodic_table_block</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T13:20:00.000Z-Periodic_table_block" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose I think we already discussed a similar property once, and I think the consensus was to use multiple values of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> for each element. An element can be part of a block and a period. Infoboxes can ask for all the <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> values, and with arbitrary data access ask for which p279 leads to a block, and which p279 statement leads to a period. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z-Periodic_table_block" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984"><bdi>Tobias1984</bdi></a>: Please can you link to that discussion, and/ or provide an example item which uses that model? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T14:06:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: see <a href="/wiki/Help:Classification" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Classification">Help:Classification</a> : blocks can be seen as classes of elements. For example we can write <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Hydrogen ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ s-block element ⟩</div>, with <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ s-block element ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P279&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ chemical element ⟩</div>. With the help of <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#subclass" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic">WD:Property proposal/Generic#subclass</a>, we can even express that each s-block element atom is a member of exactly one of the subclasses. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-06-18T16:22:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Thank you. My request was for a link to the previous discussion of "a similar property" to the one proposed, and an example - if one exists - of where the model for periodic table blocks proposed by Tobias1984 is already used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T19:22:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-18T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: The old discussion is at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/20" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/20">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/20</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-14T10:51:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose generic classification tools can handle this. As long as we have a good definition for the s-block element metaclass, which seems to me pretty clear (but I'm not an expert). <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-06-18T16:27:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. To specialised a property. Just use 'subclass of'. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-08-02T16:01:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Symbol_opinion_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_opinion_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Symbol_opinion_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_opinion_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Symbol_opinion_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_opinion_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Opinion. The <a href="/wiki/Q192439" title="Q192439">domain of a function (Q192439)</a> must be <a href="/wiki/Q83306" title="Q83306">group (Q83306)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Almondega" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Almondega">Almondega</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Almondega" title="User talk:Almondega">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Almondega-2015-08-14T03:28:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Not enough support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-15T11:21:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-06-18T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Mass_/_Weight_property" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mass_/_Weight_property-2015-09-11T18:04:00.000Z">Mass / Weight property</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Mass / Weight property">edit</a>]</div> The following proposals were pending, but it would be good to take another look at how to handle the situations across Wikidata. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-09-11T18:04:00.000Z-Mass_/_Weight_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Physikerwelt" title="User:Physikerwelt">Physikerwelt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pamputt" title="User:Pamputt">Pamputt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Petermahlzahn" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Petermahlzahn">Petermahlzahn</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jibe-b" title="User:Jibe-b">Jibe-b</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Restu20" title="User:Restu20">Restu20</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mu301" title="User:Mu301">Mu301</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SR5" title="User:SR5">SR5</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DavRosen" title="User:DavRosen">DavRosen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Danmichaelo" title="User:Danmichaelo">Danmichaelo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ptolusque" title="User:Ptolusque">Ptolusque</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PhilMINT" title="User:PhilMINT">PhilMINT</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Malore" title="User:Malore">Malore</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Thibdx" title="User:Thibdx">Thibdx</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ranjithsiji" title="User:Ranjithsiji">Ranjithsiji</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Niko.georgiev" title="User:Niko.georgiev">Niko.georgiev</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Simon_Villeneuve" title="User:Simon Villeneuve">Simon Villeneuve</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Toni_001" title="User:Toni 001">Toni 001</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Marc_Andr%C3%A9_Miron" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Marc André Miron">Marc André Miron</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RShigapov" title="User:RShigapov">RShigapov</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CarlFriedberg" title="User:CarlFriedberg">CarlFriedberg</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Crocodilecoup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Crocodilecoup (page does not exist)">Crocodilecoup</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mkomboti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mkomboti (page does not exist)">Mkomboti</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Amorenobr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Amorenobr (page does not exist)">Amorenobr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amorenobr" title="User talk:Amorenobr">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Amorenobr-20220803012700-Mass_/_Weight_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Valverde667&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Valverde667 (page does not exist)">Valverde667</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Valverde667&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Valverde667 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Valverde667-20220804160700-Mass_/_Weight_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <a href="/wiki/User:Fgnievinski" title="User:Fgnievinski">fgnievinski</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Physics/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Physics/Participants">participants of WikiProject Physics</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-09-11T18:04:00.000Z-Mass_/_Weight_property-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Mass" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mass-2013-02-08T13:22:00.000Z">Mass</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Mass">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2067" title="Property:P2067">mass</a> (P2067) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2067" title="Property talk:P2067">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>mass of an object</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11423" title="Q11423">mass</a> (Q11423)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"mass" in several infoboxes, can be used for "weight" in some infoboxes where earth location is presumed</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q223557" title="Q223557">physical object (Q223557)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>quantity with units of mass</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2" title="Q2">Earth (Q2)</a> → 5972370000000000000000000 kg</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>--<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn">Stryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stryn" title="User talk:Stryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z-Mass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li>Comments: <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:22:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-08T15:00:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:PiRSquared17" title="User:PiRSquared17">πr2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PiRSquared17" title="User talk:PiRSquared17">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17" title="Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-PiRSquared17-2013-02-09T05:51:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Seems straight forward. --<a href="/wiki/User:Njardarlogar" title="User:Njardarlogar">Njardarlogar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Njardarlogar" title="User talk:Njardarlogar">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Njardarlogar-2013-02-15T21:22:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support it is necessary for infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Sunpriat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sunpriat">Sunpriat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunpriat" title="User talk:Sunpriat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Sunpriat-2014-10-06T19:43:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Is there any reason to not add this already? Regardless of whether we want more specific mass properties (below) for certain things or not, we will still need a generic mass property. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nikki-2015-09-12T11:42:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I think it's better to start out with the specific ones. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-12T12:00:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-09-12T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I asked if there's a reason to not add it. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nikki-2015-09-13T11:15:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-09-12T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Qualified support'. It should be a quantity, not a number, because all the features of quantities should apply. <ul><li>Quantity and number are equivalent terms as far as datatype goes. <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/DataModel#Quantities">See the Number/Quantity datatype description</a> for more info. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:04:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>I agree with defining the value that can be assigned to a mass in accord with <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/DataModel#Quantities">the Number/Quantity datatype description</a> suggested by <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a>. But I read that document differently. It says "A QuantityValue represents a decimal number, together with information about the uncertainty interval of this number, and a unit of measurement." Within that document a number is only one component of a QuantityValue, the other components being the uncertainty interval and the unit of measurement. <a href="/wiki/User:Jc3s5h" title="User:Jc3s5h">Jc3s5h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jc3s5h" title="User talk:Jc3s5h">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jc3s5h-2015-09-15T18:53:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong support This is most basic and necessary. More specific ones may be warranted, but this baseline should be implemented now, with special cases handled downstream from it. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:04:00.000Z-Stryn-2013-05-01T16:23:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="atomic_mass" data-mw-thread-id="h-atomic_mass-2013-08-14T14:53:00.000Z">atomic mass</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: atomic mass">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The atomic mass of a chemical element</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"atomic mass" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_element" class="extiw" title="w:Template:Infobox element">w:Template:Infobox element</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Terms (chemical elements)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>1-294</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q556" title="Q556">hydrogen (Q556)</a> - 1.01, <a href="/wiki/Q1307" title="Q1307">oganesson (Q1307)</a> - 294</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements" class="extiw" title="w:List of elements">w:List of elements</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.caslab.com/List-of-Elements/">[1]</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Helpful, but not required as this will only be used in 118 items.</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>--<a href="/wiki/User:King_jakob_c_2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:King jakob c 2">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_jakob_c_2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:King jakob c 2">Scream about</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/King_jakob_c_2" title="Special:Contributions/King jakob c 2">the things I've broken</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-King_jakob_c_2-2013-08-14T14:53:00.000Z-atomic_mass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment we have a general mass property pending but I don't think we can use it because that would require too many qualifiers. I don't know how the number type will work and how it will work with physical units (do we set it to kg when creating it or can the unit be chosen by the person entering the data?). We should also look into if "u" can be added as a physical unit. For atoms we should probably use different isotopic values (for hydrogen the common value would be 1.007947). We probably should think about qualifiers for estimated isotopic ratios, reservoir in which the ratio was measured, etc... For items about isotopes we could think about creating a separate property because the value is much more straight forward (H1 = 1.00782504). If we use it for atoms, isotopes, particles and molecules it could apply to a lot more items. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z-atomic_mass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment. Before to support this property, I have a question: I don't know how the future number datatype will work, but should have also a measure unit. Could be sufficient? --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paperoastro-2013-08-14T20:07:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I was imagining we would use atomic mass units, which are the norm for measuring atomic mass.--<a href="/wiki/User:King_jakob_c_2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:King jakob c 2">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_jakob_c_2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:King jakob c 2">Scream about</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/King_jakob_c_2" title="Special:Contributions/King jakob c 2">the things I've broken</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-King_jakob_c_2-2013-08-15T21:32:00.000Z-Paperoastro-2013-08-14T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>We already have <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending#Mass" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending#Mass</a>. do we really need a new property ? <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2013-08-18T07:52:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That is precisely the reason why all votes and comments on non-existing datatypes are so irrelevant. We really don't know how they will work. If the property "mass" has kg hard-coded into it then we can't add values in "u" because there is a conversion factor as you know. I guess people could add the values in kg or maybe the user will be allowed to choose the physical unit. Again, all this is irrelevant as long as the datatype doesn't exist. And before any pending proposal is created we have to do a very thorough check. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-08-18T09:07:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-08-18T07:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 18 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I would expect that a user be able to change what units he is entering the information in, but maybe that's just a pipe dream. :) I should hope there's a user preference for the display of the units, however. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Izno-2013-08-21T00:01:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-18T09:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I think that atomic mass is sufficiently abstract from conventional mass to be granted its own property. <a href="/wiki/User:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Macadamia1472">Macadamia1472</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Macadamia1472">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Macadamia1472-2013-10-16T05:40:00.000Z-Snipre-2013-08-18T07:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T15:18:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. A general “mass” property is IMO unsuitable for this purpose because, e. g., the item <a href="/wiki/Q556" title="Q556">hydrogen (Q556)</a> is about hydrogen in general, not about a single hydrogen atom (there are other physical properties of hydrogen that don’t even apply to individual atoms). Thus, it would be wrong to say that 1.01 units is the mass of <a href="/wiki/Q556" title="Q556">hydrogen (Q556)</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-14T14:29:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos"><bdi>Galaktos</bdi></a>: That depends of the definition of "hydrogen" and "chemical element" you take into account. French "élément chimique" article and english "chemical element" one do not agree. For the english one, "chemical element" is a pure substance, in the french case, un "élément chimique" is a type of atom. This is actually an interwiki conflict, but in the french case, yes, we're talking of the mass of an atom. In the english one, we're not really talking of the mass of an atom, but the mass of each the substances we call "Hydrogen", so it seems closer to a <a href="/wiki/Q145623" title="Q145623">molar mass (Q145623)</a> imho ... author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-14T14:40:00.000Z-Galaktos-2015-09-14T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a>: From you paragraph above it is clear that using a generic mass property for this will create a real scope for misunderstandings. For me this is enough reason to have a specialist property like atomic mass. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:56:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-09-14T14:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: I don't agree. There is room for a property <a href="/wiki/Q145623" title="Q145623">molar mass (Q145623)</a> because it has a different unit, g.mol-1, but for the mass of an hydrogen atom, a countable object, there is no need of that. For substances on the other hand, this is a different question because we can have different kind of masses : mass per volume, for example, and if we refer to a class of substances we know nothing about the instances, for example if an instance of hydrogen (as a substance) is an hydrogen bottle (its content actually) then we have to know at least the volume or the pressure to know the actual mass of the content. The real way to avoid confusions is to clearly define if we're talking of a class of substances or a class of atoms, by having an item for each. An "atom mass" property will not help. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-14T15:07:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support as this is the mass of one atom of the element, not the total mass of the element. We could have a separate item 'hydrogen atom' and use property 'mass' for that, but that seems too clunky. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:18:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: It's not we could, it's that we WILL have. If we don't already have, see my comment. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-15T18:44:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use generic mass property with appropriate unit instead. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-28T22:34:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <a href="/wiki/Property:P2067" title="Property:P2067">mass (P2067)</a> with unit <a href="/wiki/Q3840065" title="Q3840065">atomic mass (Q3840065)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pasleim-2015-10-04T19:24:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-08-14T15:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think you mean unit <a href="/wiki/Q483261" title="Q483261">dalton (Q483261)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jheald-2015-10-04T19:36:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-10-04T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="empty_weight" data-mw-thread-id="h-empty_weight-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z">empty weight</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: empty weight">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>vehicle mass specified as constructed without fuel, cargo, or passengers</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11423" title="Q11423">mass</a> (Q11423)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"empty weight" in 'en:Template:Aircraft specifications'</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2424752" title="Q2424752">product (Q2424752)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>quantity with units of mass</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17372475" title="Q17372475">F-16C Fighting Falcon (Q17372475)</a> → 8570 kg</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - Mass is a generic property. A qualifier can say "measured" linking to an item that says "empty". --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z-empty_weight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support 'Empty weight' is a very common specification for aircraft, not 'empty mass' or 'mass measured when empty'. Relying on qualifiers complicates data entry and retrieval, so I am supporting having discrete properties for 'empty weight', 'loaded weight', and 'maximum takeoff weight' (the three primary weights used in aviation specifications). <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-13T05:21:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 13 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Mark it as <subproperty of:Mass> so that (when we get a "search (including subproperties)" tool) we can search on generic mass and pick up this. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T15:15:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Essential to aircrafts. <a href="/wiki/User:Poul_G" title="User:Poul G">Poul G</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poul_G" title="User talk:Poul G">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Poul_G-2015-09-13T15:32:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:36:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Updated template <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T18:30:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose can be done with generic property. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-17T14:05:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="maximum_takeoff_weight" data-mw-thread-id="h-maximum_takeoff_weight-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z">maximum takeoff weight</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: maximum takeoff weight">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>maximum weight specified for a vehicle to take off from the surface (a.k.a. gross weight, MTOW)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q25288" title="Q25288">weight</a> (Q25288)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"maximum takeoff weight" in en:Template:Aircraft specifications</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1294755" title="Q1294755">craft (Q1294755)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>quantity with unit of mass</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17372475" title="Q17372475">F-16C Fighting Falcon (Q17372475)</a> → 42,300 lb</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - Mass is a generic property. A qualifier can say "measured" linking to an item that says "gross". --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z-maximum_takeoff_weight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Same as the 'empty weight', 'maximum takeoff weight' is a standard terminology in aviation (though 'gross weight' may be commonly used in gliding). While I understand the technical scientific distinction of mass vs. weight, the broad usage of the term and the data it represents are enough to warrant it having its own distinct property available. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-13T05:35:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support But I would recommend renaming it to 'maximum take-off weight' if it is exclusive to aircraft. <a href="/wiki/User:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Macadamia1472">Macadamia1472</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Macadamia1472" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Macadamia1472">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Macadamia1472-2013-10-14T06:48:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment English name and description updated accordingly. We should add the AKA upon property creation. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-27T00:28:00.000Z-Macadamia1472-2013-10-14T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Essential to aircrafts. <a href="/wiki/User:Poul_G" title="User:Poul G">Poul G</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poul_G" title="User talk:Poul G">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Poul_G-2015-09-13T15:33:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:36:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Updated template <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T21:34:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose limited scope, Can be done with generic property. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-17T14:06:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2013-05-16T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="maximum_payload_weight" data-mw-thread-id="h-maximum_payload_weight-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z">maximum payload weight</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: maximum payload weight">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>maximum weight specified for the useful load a vehicle can carry, including passengers, cargo, and operational equipment, but not fuel and equipment necessary for basic vehicle operation</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7641034" title="Q7641034">payload</a> (Q7641034)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"payload" in en:Template:Aircraft specifications</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1294755" title="Q1294755">craft (Q1294755)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>quantity with unit of mass</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15411568" title="Q15411568">C-130H Hercules (Q15411568)</a> → 45,000 lb</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment - also applicable to any cargo carrying machinery. <dl><dd>Probably not applicable to any cargo carrying machinery. Payload is a specific term "carrying capacity of an aircraft or space ship, including cargo, munitions, scientific instruments or experiments. Extra fuel, when optionally carried, is also considered part of the payload." quote from <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payload_(air_and_space_craft)">Payload (air and space craft)</a>. There are weight systems for other types of transport, but the actual weights can vary between one vehicle and another (instances of), depending on other specifications such as the engine fitted. A truck which has a crane fitted can carry less due to the weight of the crane. <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z-maximum_payload_weight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Applicable to many fields, including robotics.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Micru-2013-08-22T22:14:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>I wonder if "payload" is a good way to call this, given that we also call the various subsystems as mentioned by Danrok "payloads". This property might better be named "maximum payload weight"? --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Izno-2013-08-22T23:39:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Good call, I have changed the title as per your suggestion.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Micru-2013-08-26T14:00:00.000Z-Izno-2013-08-22T23:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Essential to aircrafts. <a href="/wiki/User:Poul_G" title="User:Poul G">Poul G</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Poul_G" title="User talk:Poul G">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Poul_G-2015-09-13T15:34:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Danrok-2013-09-02T10:24:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:34:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Question - is this really specific to aircraft? What about ships, trucks, train cars? <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-09-14T15:26:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>In English at least they aren't typically expressed in this way - maximum gross weight is more typical for road vehicles, and for ships I'd expect it to be expressed as tonnage. However "maximum payload weight" could I think be used for spacecraft, although the infobox at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle" class="extiw" title="w:Space Shuttle">w:Space Shuttle</a> has several different maximum payload weights listed (which may be needed properites here themselves, I'd need to do more research before proposing them myself though). <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Thryduulf-2015-09-15T14:53:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2015-09-14T15:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Updated template. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-16T00:40:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, use mass instead --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-17T14:06:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2067" title="Property:P2067">mass (P2067)</a> would be the weight of the vehicle itself. How would you propose to use mass for the example case? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-19T22:24:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-09-17T14:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><bla> has quality <max. payload> mass <..> OR <bla> has part <max. payload> mass <..> OR <bla> mass <..> applies to part <max payload>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-23T12:49:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-19T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, cant accept non-metric units.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kopiersperre" title="User talk:Kopiersperre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Kopiersperre-2015-09-18T10:08:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-05-22T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Yes, it can accept non-metric units. One could use the pound (mass), <a href="/wiki/Q100995" title="Q100995">pound (Q100995)</a>, which is distinct from the pound (force), <a href="/wiki/Q1194225" title="Q1194225">pound-force (Q1194225)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jc3s5h" title="User:Jc3s5h">Jc3s5h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jc3s5h" title="User talk:Jc3s5h">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jc3s5h-2015-09-18T12:17:00.000Z-Kopiersperre-2015-09-18T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here" data-mw-thread-id="h-Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here-2015-09-13T10:41:00.000Z">Generic or Specific: Vote here</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Generic or Specific: Vote here">edit</a>]</div> Should we have one, a few, or many mass properties. Please vote here and mention the proposals above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-09-13T10:41:00.000Z-Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Properties_created" data-mw-thread-id="h-Properties_created-Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here">Properties created</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Properties created">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P2067" title="Property:P2067">mass (P2067)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Voting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voting-Generic_or_Specific:_Vote_here-2015-09-13T10:41:00.000Z">Voting</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Voting">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li>At the moment I would like to only create the property 'mass' and let that settle for a while. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-09-13T10:41:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>+1 --<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn">Stryn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stryn" title="User talk:Stryn">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Stryn-2015-09-13T11:12:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-09-13T10:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Seems reasonable to me. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-13T13:31:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I agree with Tobias1984's proposition for only one generic property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan">Casper Tinan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casper_Tinan" title="User talk:Casper Tinan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Casper_Tinan-2015-09-13T18:58:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support makes sense -- <a href="/wiki/User:Bene*" title="User:Bene*">Bene*</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bene*" title="User talk:Bene*">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Bene*-2015-09-14T06:54:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>There should be a property for the mass/weight of the item, but we should not try to force everything that represents a mass to use that property. If something does not refer to the weight of the item itself (e.g. "maximum payload weight" above), it should be a different property. If something does refer to the weight of the item itself, I would prefer subproperties over repeatedly using a small set of qualifiers, but I think subproperties would need to be considered on a case by case basis. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nikki-2015-09-14T12:42:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Agreed. For instance, atomic mass is the mass of a single atom, not of the element itself, so it would be wrong to use a generic mass property on the item (which represents the element, not a single atom). —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-14T14:35:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>No. We can't avoid different mass properties when different values is possible for the same item. But we don't need specific properties according to the field of items: the property for the mass of a car can be the same for the mass of a person. But the dead weight and the weight at full load of a boat or plane can't be described by an unique property. We should at least add qualifier. I think we should group the mass properties and see what is the minimal amount we can have.</li></ul> <dl><dd>If I take the above proposal, we can group: <ul><li>atomic mass = mass of a person = Empty weight = mass -> one property</li> <li>maximum payload weight -> one property</li> <li>Theoretically Empty weight + Maximum payload weight is equal to Maximum takeoff weight, so no need of additional property, but I don't know the definition of maximum payload weight (include or not the fuel, the ammunition,...).</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Snipre-2015-09-14T14:06:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Yes and No. I think we should have specific properties like empty weight, laden weight, etc. but I am opposed to weight of person because that is easily determined from the instance of claim. I think I this pretty well matches the other opinions above. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:34:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Start with one. A limited number of widely used basic properties are going to be easiest to work with. If subproperties can be made to work reasonably then a few or even a large number of subproperties might not be a problem, but as I understand it there's not a lot of support for subproperty-based constraints right now. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-09-14T14:57:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Of course the basic property <a href="/wiki/Property:P2067" title="Property:P2067">mass (P2067)</a> is necessary and should cover most early needs, but more specialized mass-related properties ought to be created normally as they are needed and go through the proposal process. I don't see a reason to hold them up artificially. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-16T00:55:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Because the property proposal process is exhausting. We discussing very specific properties in a vast variety of cases and the number of proposal wrt. weight could be huge. Giving community a little time to digest before taking a lot of decisions, maybe non consistent with each other considering the process as he is, could be a good thing. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-16T07:51:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-16T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done I created the generic property for mass. I think it is good to let the community try out how far we can stretch the generic property and then start new discussions for more specific mass propeties. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-15T17:38:00.000Z-Voting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="volume" data-mw-thread-id="h-volume-2015-09-16T23:05:00.000Z">volume</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: volume">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2234" title="Property:P2234">volume as quantity</a> (P2234) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2234" title="Property talk:P2234">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>quantity of three-dimensional space</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q39297" title="Q39297">volume</a> (Q39297)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number with unit <a href="/wiki/Q1302471" title="Q1302471">unit of volume (Q1302471)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q715269" title="Q715269">World Ocean (Q715269)</a> → 1,332,000,000 <a href="/wiki/Q4243638" title="Q4243638">cubic kilometre (Q4243638)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Useful in a wide variety of situations. (This may require relabelling <a href="/wiki/Property:P478" title="Property:P478">volume (P478)</a> in English.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Yair_rand-2015-09-16T23:05:00.000Z-volume" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, 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Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants">participants of WikiProject Chemistry</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I think a generic volume property would be useful. A separate one for "crystal unit-cell volume" might be a good idea too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2015-10-05T12:01:00.000Z-volume" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 5 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Hepburn_romanization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hepburn_romanization-2015-06-28T14:09:00.000Z">Hepburn romanization</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Hepburn romanization">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2125" title="Property:P2125">revised Hepburn romanization</a> (P2125) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2125" title="Property talk:P2125">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Property used as qualifier in <a href="/wiki/Property:P1448" title="Property:P1448">official name (P1448)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1705" title="Property:P1705">native label (P1705)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1559" title="Property:P1559">name in native language (P1559)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> etc if it is presented in Japanese</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q667558" title="Q667558">Hepburn romanization</a> (Q667558)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>title or subtitle (design specific)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q147276" title="Q147276">proper noun (Q147276)</a> in Japanese</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any text</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1490" title="Q1490">Tokyo (Q1490)</a>: 東京都 → (<a href="/wiki/Q667558" title="Q667558">Hepburn romanization (Q667558)</a>) Tōkyō-to</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Property might be useful for automatic generating readable descriptions from statements for languages using latin scripts if object name is not available in any readable script in user language. <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian">Paweł Ziemian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User talk:Paweł Ziemian">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:09:00.000Z-Hepburn_romanization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, I was about to propose it after working on quite a lot of japanese items :)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>by the way, could you please provide a simple online automatic converter ? I could not find one that worked : only long pages of explanations :/ --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T17:58:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I would not recommend using a simple online automatic converter. Japanese writing and romanisation are not very straightforward, so it's not easy to make an accurate converter and if you don't know how Hepburn transliteration works, how will you know if the output of a converter looks correct? - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nikki-2015-08-04T08:45:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks a lot for your answer. Did not know if it was something that existed or not. If not "automatic", you're right, better avoided :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hsarrazin-2015-08-07T17:23:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-08-04T08:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-08-02T22:32:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Kharkiv07" title="User:Kharkiv07">Kharkiv07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kharkiv07" title="User talk:Kharkiv07">T</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Kharkiv07-2015-08-08T02:34:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Georgian_national_system_of_romanization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Georgian_national_system_of_romanization-2015-06-28T14:18:00.000Z">Georgian national system of romanization</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Georgian national system of romanization">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2126" title="Property:P2126">Georgian national system of romanization</a> (P2126) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2126" title="Property talk:P2126">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Property used as qualifier in <a href="/wiki/Property:P1448" title="Property:P1448">official name (P1448)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1705" title="Property:P1705">native label (P1705)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1559" title="Property:P1559">name in native language (P1559)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> etc if it is presented in Georgian</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1448216" title="Q1448216">Georgian national system of romanization</a> (Q1448216)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>title or subtitle (design specific)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q147276" title="Q147276">proper noun (Q147276)</a> in Georgian</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any text</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q8108" title="Q8108">Georgian (Q8108)</a>: ქართული ენა → (<a href="/wiki/Q1448216" title="Q1448216">Georgian national system of romanization (Q1448216)</a>) kartuli ena</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>possible, there is simple character lookup table</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Property might be useful for automatic generating readable descriptions from statements for languages using latin scripts if object name is not available in any readable script in user language. <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian">Paweł Ziemian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User talk:Paweł Ziemian">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:18:00.000Z-Georgian_national_system_of_romanization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:18, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - working with Georgian names is really painful - can you please provide an online converter (if one exists ?) --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T18:01:00.000Z-Georgian_national_system_of_romanization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-08-02T22:31:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 2 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-08-03T17:05:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ISO_9" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISO_9-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z">ISO 9</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: ISO 9">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2183" title="Property:P2183">ISO 9:1995</a> (P2183) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2183" title="Property talk:P2183">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Property used as qualifier in <a href="/wiki/Property:P1448" title="Property:P1448">official name (P1448)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1705" title="Property:P1705">native label (P1705)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1559" title="Property:P1559">name in native language (P1559)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> etc if it is presented in Cyrillic <del>or Latin</del> script. <del>Conversion works in both directions, that is Cyrillic text can be transliterated to Latin text and Latin text can be assigned with corresponding Cyrillic text.</del><ins>Cyrillic text can be transliterated to corresponding Latin text.</ins></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q913336" title="Q913336">ISO 9</a> (Q913336)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>title or subtitle (design specific)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q147276" title="Q147276">proper noun (Q147276)</a> in Cyrillic <del>or Latin</del> script</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any text</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7315" title="Q7315">Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (Q7315)</a>: Пётр Ильич Чайковский → (<a href="/wiki/Q913336" title="Q913336">ISO 9 (Q913336)</a>) Pëtr Ilʹič Čajkovskij</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>possible, there is simple character lookup table</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Property might be useful for automatic generating readable descriptions from statements between languages with Cyrillic and Latin scripts if object name is not available in any readable script in user language. <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian">Paweł Ziemian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User talk:Paweł Ziemian">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z-ISO_9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>I would tend to support this property. The problem I would identify is that of multilingual piece of it, however. The French for (example) "Bill" is not the same as the English for Bill, so transliterating to Cyrillic from either language is going to have a different transliteration. Also, I'm not sure why we would use it as a qualifier for claims of the Wikibase Entity type rather than only for those of the String type. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Izno-2015-07-10T19:35:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I was wrong. The conversion works only from Cyrillic to Latin script, but the process is fully reversible and language independent. Fixed. <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian">Paweł Ziemian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User talk:Paweł Ziemian">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-07-10T20:53:00.000Z-Izno-2015-07-10T19:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - I was about to propose this creation myself :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hsarrazin-2015-08-01T18:03:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>There are actually multiple versions of ISO 9, I think it would make sense for us to specify which version we mean - presumably the most recent, ISO 9:1995. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nikki-2015-08-29T19:34:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support for ISO 9:1995 --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pasleim-2015-10-04T19:34:00.000Z-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-06-28T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="history_of_topic" data-mw-thread-id="h-history_of_topic-2015-09-07T19:36:00.000Z">history of topic</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: history of topic">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2184" title="Property:P2184">history of topic</a> (P2184) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2184" title="Property talk:P2184">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>historical development of an item's topic</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17524420" title="Q17524420">aspect of history</a> (Q17524420)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items with <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a><a href="/wiki/Q17524420" title="Q17524420">aspect of history (Q17524420)</a><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q30" title="Q30">United States of America (Q30)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q131110" title="Q131110">history of the United States (Q131110)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q183" title="Q183">Germany (Q183)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q122131" title="Q122131">history of Germany (Q122131)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q52" title="Q52">Wikipedia (Q52)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q6731" title="Q6731">history of Wikipedia (Q6731)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q75" title="Q75">Internet (Q75)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q193315" title="Q193315">history of the Internet (Q193315)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q333" title="Q333">astronomy (Q333)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q50056" title="Q50056">history of astronomy (Q50056)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> --<a href="/wiki/User:Entbert" title="User:Entbert">Entbert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entbert" title="User talk:Entbert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Entbert-2015-09-07T19:36:00.000Z-history_of_topic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 7 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong oppose. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:PC#Entity,_article,_item" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:PC">WD:PC#Entity, article, item</a>. The topic of these items are not articles. They are history. If someone studies <a href="/wiki/Q131110" title="Q131110">history of the United States (Q131110)</a>, they are not studying a Wikimedia article. If there is a book on <a href="/wiki/Q131110" title="Q131110">history of the United States (Q131110)</a>, it's not about a Wikimedia article. This mess really needs to be fixed, not perpetuated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z-history_of_topic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 7 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Entbert" title="User:Entbert"><bdi>Entbert</bdi></a>: you might want to remove "Wikimedia" and "article" from the property label. Something like "History of topic" should do. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-08T15:45:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose this property under any name. What we need is a property to link from <a href="/wiki/Q131110" title="Q131110">history of the United States (Q131110)</a> back to <a href="/wiki/Q30" title="Q30">United States of America (Q30)</a>; i.e. from the daughter articles back to the main topic and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1269" title="Property:P1269">facet of (P1269)</a> already does this job. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:55:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Under Jura's name (@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a>: aspect of is anything but well defined, which makes clear at all how and why using it well). author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-12T16:09:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as "Wikimedia history article",</s> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support as "History". <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-15T17:43:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/20px-Symbol_note.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/30px-Symbol_note.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Symbol_note.svg/40px-Symbol_note.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Info @<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: I changed the label to "history of topic". --<a href="/wiki/User:Entbert" title="User:Entbert">Entbert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Entbert" title="User talk:Entbert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Entbert-2015-09-19T16:13:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Entbert" title="User:Entbert"><bdi>Entbert</bdi></a>: Sounds fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-19T22:17:00.000Z-Entbert-2015-09-19T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support with amended label/desc --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-24T13:29:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pasleim-2015-10-04T19:53:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support as amended label. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-10-12T18:56:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-09-07T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="relative_to" data-mw-thread-id="h-relative_to-2015-09-09T20:26:00.000Z">relative to</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: relative to">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2210" title="Property:P2210">relative to</a> (P2210) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2210" title="Property talk:P2210">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>qualifier: what a statement quantity is relative to</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>qualifier only</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q3375" title="Q3375">Zugspitze (Q3375)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q3375&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q3375&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2044" title="Property:P2044">elevation above sea level (P2044)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2044&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ 2,962.06 metre ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2210" title="Property:P2210">relative to (P2210)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2210&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1398875" title="Q1398875">Normalhöhennull (Q1398875)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1398875&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1398875&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Some properties for quantities, like <a href="/wiki/Property:P2044" title="Property:P2044">elevation above sea level (P2044)</a>, are meaningful only in relation to some base value. That base value (e. g. height above sea level) can be given with this statement. (In the case of height, a more specific name for the property would be “above”.) <a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-09T20:26:00.000Z-relative_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 9 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment P2044 was originally labelled “height”. It has since been changed to “elevation above sea level”, which IMO is a mistake, since there’s no such thing as a single sea level – you need the property proposed here to specify which level the value is relative to. (There are lots of national standards for elevation measuring.) —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-12T12:19:00.000Z-Galaktos-2015-09-09T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I wonder could this be used with <a href="/wiki/Q102145" title="Q102145">standard temperature and pressure (Q102145)</a> too? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T15:01:00.000Z-Galaktos-2015-09-09T20:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Interesting. We certainly need a property for that too (“density: 19.32 g/cm³ at 20°C”), but I’m not sure if it’s possible to phrase this property sufficiently general that it can support both use cases.</dd> <dd>(Aside: at least the dewiki article linked to <a href="/wiki/Q102145" title="Q102145">standard temperature and pressure (Q102145)</a> describes a whole slew of standard conditions, so I’m not sure if that particular item is useful.) —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-12T21:03:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: On the P2044 talk page it was proposed to use <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard (P459)</a> as a qualifier. I guess that could be used instead of this proposal, and also to record the conditions for a measurement (your proposal). Do you agree? —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-14T13:54:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Actually I don't think I do. <a href="/wiki/Property:P459" title="Property:P459">determination method or standard (P459)</a> is about the method or process used to make a measurement. For elevation above sealevel this would be triangulation or satellite rangefinding etc. This is independent of the sealevel reference used in displaying the elevation. so I think we need both properties. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:20:00.000Z-Galaktos-2015-09-14T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hm, good point. And I still can’t think of a phrasing that supports “height relative to” and “measurement conditions”, so I think we need all three properties. —<a href="/wiki/User:Galaktos" title="User:Galaktos">Galaktos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galaktos" title="User talk:Galaktos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Galaktos-2015-09-14T20:35:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Can't we generalize this to something like reference point ? author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-TomT0m-2015-09-15T08:09:00.000Z-Galaktos-2015-09-14T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In the case of elevation above some sort of quasi-sea-level, the elevation is above a surface of some sort, which may be an ellipsoid of revolution, or a geoid (which is an irregular surface with no simple mathematical description). So "reference point" is not the right phrase. <a href="/wiki/User:Jc3s5h" title="User:Jc3s5h">Jc3s5h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jc3s5h" title="User talk:Jc3s5h">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jc3s5h-2015-09-15T13:27:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-09-15T08:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jc3s5h" title="User:Jc3s5h">Jc3s5h</a>: In most of the cases that this property is to be used with, the elevation is not measured above some quasi-sea-level. It is measured above a mark on a pier in a harbour somewhere - a datum. This is usually called the "high water mark" or something similar and was fixed back in the 1800's when they started the national geographical survey - though it may have been updated more recently. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ordnance_datum" class="extiw" title="en:ordnance datum">en:ordnance datum</a> has info on the British datum and the Irish datum. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-18T12:19:00.000Z-Jc3s5h-2015-09-15T13:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A description of how this is done in the US is given at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/faq.shtml#WhatNAD">the FAQs for the National Geodetic Survey website</a>. See the question "What are NGVD 29 and NAVD 88? How do the horizontal datums differ? Which should I use?" Sure, elevations in the US are determined by holding fixed the elevation value <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.isdm-gdsi.gc.ca/isdm-gdsi/twl-mne/benchmarks-reperes/station-eng.asp?T1=2985&region=LAU&ref=maps-cartes">(around 7 metres)</a> of the primary tidal bench mark, referenced to the new International Great Lakes Datum of 1985 local mean sea level height value, at Father Point/Rimouski, Quebec, Canada. But that point isn't assigned the value 0, and the method of relating a particular elevation to it requires following many rules associated with the datum (in this case, North American Vertical Datum of 1988). Those rules include sophisticated least-squares analysis of many observations at many points. So it is much better to say the elevation is found with respect to a particular named datum rather than a particular bench mark at the mouth of the St. Laurence River</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="DLI" data-mw-thread-id="h-DLI-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z">DLI</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: DLI">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2185" title="Property:P2185">DLI ID</a> (P2185) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2185" title="Property talk:P2185">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>This is an identifier for works in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Library_of_India" class="extiw" title="en:Digital Library of India">en:Digital Library of India</a>, India's central digital repository of books, manuscripts etc., in Indian and non-Indian languages, published in India and abroad, scanned and uploaded by libraries all over India, and maintained by the Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics, Pune, at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dli.gov.in/">http://www.dli.gov.in/</a> and the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dli.ernet.in/">http://www.dli.ernet.in/</a>. The barcode is 13 or 14 digits, specified by the string <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dli.gov.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=XXXX">http://dli.gov.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=XXXX</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=XXXX">http://www.new1.dli.ernet.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=XXXX</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3522708" title="Q3522708">National Digital Library of India</a> (Q3522708)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Works in authority control</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>13 or 14 digits</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3124055" title="Q3124055">Anandamath (Q3124055)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dli.gov.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=4990010044430">4990010044430</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Library_of_India" class="extiw" title="en:Digital Library of India">en:Digital Library of India</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dli.ernet.in/">http://www.dli.ernet.in/</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dli.gov.in">http://dli.gov.in</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://dli.gov.in/cgi-bin/DBscripts/allmetainfo.cgi?barcode=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Can be helpful for Wikisources of multiple languages. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hrishikes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hrishikes (page does not exist)">Hrishikes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrishikes" title="User talk:Hrishikes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z-DLI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hazmat2-2015-06-10T12:25:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment The example yields "The requested URL was not found on this server." if one wants to see the table of contents or read the book in <s>any</s> most of the formats advertised. But the TIFF version seems always present (don't let the initial empty pages mislead you). Also the domain is not works but editions, so the example would have to be connected to a currently not existing item for the particular 1931 bengali edition of that work of 1882 comparable to the three items for english language editions <a href="/wiki/Q19795188" title="Q19795188">Dawn over India (Q19795188)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q19795166" title="Q19795166">Abbey of Bliss (Q19795166)</a> and <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Anandamath_(Aurobindo)" class="extiw" title="s:Anandamath (Aurobindo)">s:Anandamath (Aurobindo)</a> (no wikidata item yet). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Gymel-2015-06-13T10:11:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>The item is correctly linked to the exact edition. The English translations have separate Wikidata entries. This entry is the original Bengali version, as found in <a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A0" class="extiw" title="bn:s:আনন্দমঠ">bn:s:আনন্দমঠ</a>, <a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%A3%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F:%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A0_-_%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%99%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC_.djvu" class="extiw" title="bn:s:নির্ঘণ্ট:আনন্দমঠ - বঙ্কিমচন্দ্র চট্টোপাধ্যায় .djvu">bn:s:নির্ঘণ্ট:আনন্দমঠ - বঙ্কিমচন্দ্র চট্টোপাধ্যায় .djvu</a> and <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A0_-_%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%99%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC.djvu" class="extiw" title="c:File:আনন্দমঠ - বঙ্কিমচন্দ্র চট্টোপাধ্যায়.djvu">c:File:আনন্দমঠ - বঙ্কিমচন্দ্র চট্টোপাধ্যায়.djvu</a> -- all are the 1938 edition (author's birth centenary series) of the work. DLI version is linked accordingly. Other versions are present in DLI of course, but like Internet Archive, only one version can be linked by a single link, the barcodes being different. DLI has the works in TIF format, and I have added many works from DLI to Wikisource. So other examples may be <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Principles_of_Hindu_Law_Vol_1.djvu" class="extiw" title="c:File:The Principles of Hindu Law Vol 1.djvu">c:File:The Principles of Hindu Law Vol 1.djvu</a> -- barcode 2030020017054 and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/s:File:The_Man_with_Two_Left_Feet.djvu" class="extiw" title="en:s:File:The Man with Two Left Feet.djvu">en:s:File:The Man with Two Left Feet.djvu</a> -- barcode 4990010194549. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hrishikes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hrishikes (page does not exist)">Hrishikes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrishikes" title="User talk:Hrishikes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hrishikes-2015-06-14T15:37:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q3124055" title="Q3124055">Anandamath (Q3124055)</a> for the "book" most probably stands for the work, not the 1938 edition. Otherwise the <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation (P747)</a> and most sitelinks would not make sense at all. Probably the confusion arises because the sitelink do bn:Wikisource <a class="external autonumber" href="https://bn.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A0">[2]</a> is misplaced here, it must be moved to an item of its own. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Gymel-2015-06-14T23:37:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-14T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>OK, but I think we are getting sidetracked. Let us accept that DLI links, like IA, are edition-specific and not work-specific, and move on from there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hrishikes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hrishikes (page does not exist)">Hrishikes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrishikes" title="User talk:Hrishikes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hrishikes-2015-06-15T03:12:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-14T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>On further looking out, I see that most links are edition-specific, including OCLC, ISBN, Gutenberg etc. The versions pages in Wikisource are work-specific, which is limited to a small number of works having multiple versions; but the normal run of Wikisource links are edition-specific. So the DLI links are appropriate and helpful in authority control. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hrishikes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hrishikes (page does not exist)">Hrishikes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hrishikes" title="User talk:Hrishikes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Hrishikes-2015-06-16T17:32:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-14T15:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Copy edited and changed datatype to "String". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-08-03T12:50:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-08-21T17:31:00.000Z-Hrishikes-2015-06-08T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wiki_Loves_Monuments_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wiki_Loves_Monuments_ID-2015-09-06T10:10:00.000Z">Wiki Loves Monuments ID</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Wiki Loves Monuments ID">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2186" title="Property:P2186">Wiki Loves Monuments ID</a> (P2186) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2186" title="Property talk:P2186">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>A unique ID for the monuments included in Wiki Loves Monument's national lists</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1353202" title="Q1353202">Wiki Loves Monuments</a> (Q1353202)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>external reference template (to be created) and/or Wikipedia infoboxes (depending on the nature of the WLM item)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>monuments included in Wiki Loves Monument's national lists</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>depends on the WLM identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3939476" title="Q3939476">Rocca di Meldola (Q3939476)</a> → 040019806</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Wikimedia chapters lists for WLM</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>to be determined, probably Mix 'n' Match will be used</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Wikimedia Italia is planning to upload its own list for Wiki Loves Monuments on Wikidata, in order to facilitate the composition of lists and the enrichment of monuments' items on Wikidata with data. This is a pilot project that will interest in a first, experimental phase only a short list of sites in <a href="/wiki/Q1263" title="Q1263">Emilia-Romagna (Q1263)</a>, but with time it will be extended to all Italian region. We sincerely hope that other Wikimedia chapters/user groups will join, but first we want the experimentation to succeed. :) <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita" title="User talk:Sannita">not just another it.wiki sysop</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Sannita-2015-09-06T10:10:00.000Z-Wiki_Loves_Monuments_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:10, 6 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Does this have a "formatter url"? Do these have national reference numbers as well? What is this reference used for? Will this reference be replaced by the item Qid when all these have wikdata items? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-06T21:49:00.000Z-Wiki_Loves_Monuments_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Sorry for being this late in answering. About formatter urls, no, WM-IT doesn't use them (yet).</dd> <dd>About national references numbers, unfortunately there are several reference numbers. What you probably don't know is that there is no unique national registry for monuments in Italy, but there is a plurality of registries, depending on the type of monument or area. Basically, the WLM code is used to make a connection between the Ministry's registry and the regional/local registries (which are not connected to each other).</dd> <dd>I must also add that we plan to ulpoad also those codes. For sure, I'll ask also to create a property for the <a href="/wiki/Q1263" title="Q1263">Emilia-Romagna (Q1263)</a> official ID and the <a href="/wiki/Q1347047" title="Q1347047">Ministry of Culture (Q1347047)</a> ID in the next days, but first I need to check out all the data needed in the request.</dd> <dd>About the last question, I'm not sure I'm following you on this point, may you please explain? <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita" title="User talk:Sannita">not just another it.wiki sysop</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Sannita-2015-09-10T14:55:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-06T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a>; Every one of these monuments will have an item here on wikidata. Each of those items will have a unique Wikidata ID - a number with a Q prefix. Why can't we use the wikidata ID instead of the WLM ID? That is the ID which will be around in the future and which will have all the database manipulation tools and goodies which will be built around wikidata.</dd> <dd>If the answer is that the WLM ID is useful for now until a better workflow based on wikidata arrives then that is probably a good enough reason to have it - we can always delete it next year. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:32:00.000Z-Sannita-2015-09-10T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Sorry again for being late. This is a harsh period for me with both WM-IT and work-related problems.</dd> <dd>Yes, the answer is "the WLM ID is useful for now, until a better workflow based on wikidata arrives". My hope is that we (communities+chapters) will think and prepare such workflow in time for WLM 2016, still we need to get started somehow. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita" title="User talk:Sannita">not just another it.wiki sysop</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Sannita-2015-09-22T23:07:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Then <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I suppose. For now. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:24:00.000Z-Sannita-2015-09-22T23:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support if you really can't get around that .. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-09-15T10:38:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-06T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment we already have specific properties to link to other Wikimedia-related projects, this would just make it another one. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2015-10-01T09:07:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-06T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SIGIC_-_Slovenian_Music_Information_Center" data-mw-thread-id="h-SIGIC_-_Slovenian_Music_Information_Center">SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center">edit</a>]</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SIGIC_(person)" data-mw-thread-id="h-SIGIC_(person)-2015-09-09T13:30:00.000Z">SIGIC (person)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: SIGIC (person)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2164" title="Property:P2164">SIGIC author ID</a> (P2164) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2164" title="Property talk:P2164">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center (property for person/author)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numerical</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=avtor&id=637">http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=avtor&id=637</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=avtor&id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> SIGIC is the main music information database in Slovenia. The main source of data is the Ministry for culture of Republic of Slovenia. A web portal was created in 2010 and renewed in 2011. URL adress uses ID numbers for three categories of objects (see examples above): avtor (author), zasedba (music group) and institucija (institution). That means that three separate SIGIC properties should be created. --<a href="/wiki/User:Janezdrilc" title="User:Janezdrilc">Janezdrilc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janezdrilc" title="User talk:Janezdrilc">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Janezdrilc-2015-09-09T13:30:00.000Z-SIGIC_(person)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support all three. Can you do the template three times with the three different property names so we can track all three properties? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:35:00.000Z-Janezdrilc-2015-09-09T13:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Ok, I have changed the template above and added two separate templates below, each for one category of URL. --<a href="/wiki/User:Janezdrilc" title="User:Janezdrilc">Janezdrilc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janezdrilc" title="User talk:Janezdrilc">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Janezdrilc-2015-09-18T21:48:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Thank you for support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Janezdrilc" title="User:Janezdrilc">Janezdrilc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janezdrilc" title="User talk:Janezdrilc">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Janezdrilc-2015-10-11T00:47:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T14:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SIGIC_(group)" data-mw-thread-id="h-SIGIC_(group)-2015-09-18T21:48:00.000Z">SIGIC (group)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: SIGIC (group)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2165" title="Property:P2165">SIGIC group ID</a> (P2165) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2165" title="Property talk:P2165">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center (property for music group)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numerical</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=zasedba&id=482">http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=zasedba&id=482</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=zasedba&id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> See the debate above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Janezdrilc" title="User:Janezdrilc">Janezdrilc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janezdrilc" title="User talk:Janezdrilc">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Janezdrilc-2015-09-18T21:48:00.000Z-SIGIC_(group)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SIGIC_(institution)" data-mw-thread-id="h-SIGIC_(institution)-2015-09-18T21:48:00.000Z">SIGIC (institution)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: SIGIC (institution)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2166" title="Property:P2166">SIGIC institution ID</a> (P2166) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2166" title="Property talk:P2166">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>SIGIC - Slovenian Music Information Center (property for institution)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numerical</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=institucija&id=16">http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=institucija&id=16</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.sigic.si/?mod=search&action=institucija&id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> See the debate above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Janezdrilc" title="User:Janezdrilc">Janezdrilc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Janezdrilc" title="User talk:Janezdrilc">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Janezdrilc-2015-09-18T21:48:00.000Z-SIGIC_(institution)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="United_Nations_Standard_Products_and_Services_Code_(UNSPSC)" data-mw-thread-id="h-United_Nations_Standard_Products_and_Services_Code_(UNSPSC)-2015-09-12T21:55:00.000Z">United Nations Standard Products and Services Code (UNSPSC)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: United Nations Standard Products and Services Code (UNSPSC)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2167" title="Property:P2167">UNSPSC Code</a> (P2167) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2167" title="Property talk:P2167">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The United Nations Standard Products and Services Code (UNSPSC) is a taxonomy of products and services for use in eCommerce. It is a four-level hierarchy coded as an eight-digit number, with an optional fifth level adding two more digits. The codeset is available in English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Dutch, Mandarin Chinese, Portuguese, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, and Hungarian. PDF versions of the codeset are available for free download. A version in Microsoft Excel format is available to members, who can also request changes and suggest additions to the code.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Goods & Services</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q180481" title="Q180481">ambulance (Q180481)</a> → 25101703</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSPSC">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSPSC</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Mix N'Match welcome since there are over 50 000 items</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This provides a hierarchical, curated identifier for many articles. It also links with many systems (ranging from national procurement systems, to UN organisations…) using the system. <a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon">Teolemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teolemon" title="User talk:Teolemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Teolemon-2015-09-12T21:55:00.000Z-United_Nations_Standard_Products_and_Services_Code_(UNSPSC)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T22:21:00.000Z-Teolemon-2015-09-12T21:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="British_political_IDs" data-mw-thread-id="h-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:10:00.000Z">British political IDs</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: British political IDs">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support all of these. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:46:00.000Z-British_political_IDs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="PublicWhip_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-PublicWhip_identifier-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:10:00.000Z">PublicWhip identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: PublicWhip identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2169" title="Property:P2169">PublicWhip ID</a> (P2169) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2169" title="Property talk:P2169">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifer in the PublicWhip database of British MPs</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7257661" title="Q7257661">Public Whip</a> (Q7257661)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|publicwhip =</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="en:Template:UK MP links">en:Template:UK MP links</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid PublicWhip identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q263802" title="Q263802">Tom Watson (Q263802)</a> → Tom_Watson</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-13T21:10:00.000Z-PublicWhip_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Hansard_(currents_session)_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hansard_(currents_session)_identifier-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:13:00.000Z">Hansard (currents session) identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Hansard (currents session) identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2170" title="Property:P2170">Hansard (2006–March 2016) ID</a> (P2170) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2170" title="Property talk:P2170">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a British MP in Hansard, for the current session of Parliament</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q524352" title="Q524352">Hansard</a> (Q524352)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|hansardcurr=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="en:Template:UK MP links">en:Template:UK MP links</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid Hansard identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q263802" title="Q263802">Tom Watson (Q263802)</a> → 4538</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cmallfiles/mps/commons_hansard_$1_home.html</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-13T21:13:00.000Z-Hansard_(currents_session)_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> This is wrong. The formatter URL given hardcodes the 2013-14 session. Also, the years 2010-12 don't follow the year format given. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.12.99.146" title="Special:Contributions/82.12.99.146">82.12.99.146</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-82.12.99.146-2015-10-10T14:25:00.000Z-Hansard_(currents_session)_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 10 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="They_Work_for_You_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-They_Work_for_You_identifier-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:15:00.000Z">They Work for You identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: They Work for You identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2171" title="Property:P2171">TheyWorkForYou ID</a> (P2171) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2171" title="Property talk:P2171">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifer in the 'They Work for You' database of British MPs</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|theywork=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="en:Template:UK MP links">en:Template:UK MP links</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid They Work for You identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q263802" title="Q263802">Tom Watson (Q263802)</a> → tom_watson</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-13T21:15:00.000Z-They_Work_for_You_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Parliamentary_record_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parliamentary_record_identifier-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:18:00.000Z">Parliamentary record identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Parliamentary record identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2172" title="Property:P2172">Parliamentary record ID</a> (P2172) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2172" title="Property talk:P2172">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Parliamentary record identifier for British MPs</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|record=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="en:Template:UK MP links">en:Template:UK MP links</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid Parliamentary record identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q263802" title="Q263802">Tom Watson (Q263802)</a> → Tom-Watson/West-Bromwich-East/517</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.parliamentaryrecord.com/content/profiles/mp/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-13T21:18:00.000Z-Parliamentary_record_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="BBC_News_Democracy_Live_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-BBC_News_Democracy_Live_identifier-British_political_IDs-2015-09-13T21:20:00.000Z">BBC News Democracy Live identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: BBC News Democracy Live identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2173" title="Property:P2173">BBC News Democracy Live ID</a> (P2173) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2173" title="Property talk:P2173">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifer in the BBC News Democracy Live database of British MPs</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|bbc=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="en:Template:UK MP links">en:Template:UK MP links</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid BBC News Democracy Live identifiers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q263802" title="Q263802">Tom Watson (Q263802)</a> → 25228</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/representatives/profiles/$1.stm</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-13T21:20:00.000Z-BBC_News_Democracy_Live_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Biblionet_identifiers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Biblionet_identifiers-2015-09-14T07:46:00.000Z">Biblionet identifiers</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Biblionet identifiers">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support all of these. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-14T14:47:00.000Z-Biblionet_identifiers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="BiblioNet_publication_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-BiblioNet_publication_identifier-Biblionet_identifiers-2015-09-14T07:46:00.000Z">BiblioNet publication identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: BiblioNet publication identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2187" title="Property:P2187">BiblioNet publication ID</a> (P2187) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2187" title="Property talk:P2187">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier in the BiblioNet database of book editions</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_settlement" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox settlement">en:template:infobox settlement</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Creative work</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q208002" title="Q208002">The Fellowship of the Ring (Q208002)</a> → 15959</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.biblionet.gr">http://www.biblionet.gr</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.biblionet.gr/book/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> BiblioNet is the only accessible database of book editions published in Greece, created by the National Book Centre of Greece. <a href="/wiki/User:Geraki" title="User:Geraki">geraki</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geraki" title="User talk:Geraki">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Geraki-2015-09-14T07:46:00.000Z-BiblioNet_publication_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="BiblioNet_author_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-BiblioNet_author_identifier-Biblionet_identifiers-2015-09-14T07:59:00.000Z">BiblioNet author identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: BiblioNet author identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2188" title="Property:P2188">BiblioNet author ID</a> (P2188) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2188" title="Property talk:P2188">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier in the BiblioNet database of authors</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>human</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q216980" title="Q216980">Konstantinos P. Cavafy (Q216980)</a> → 2576</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.biblionet.gr">http://www.biblionet.gr</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.biblionet.gr/author/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> BiblioNet is the only accessible database of book editions published in Greece, created by the National Book Centre of Greece. Also, a database of all authors, including writers, editors, translators, illustrators, photographers etc. listed as contributors in books. -<a href="/wiki/User:Geraki" title="User:Geraki">geraki</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geraki" title="User talk:Geraki">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Geraki-2015-09-14T07:59:00.000Z-BiblioNet_author_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="BiblioNet_publisher_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-BiblioNet_publisher_identifier-Biblionet_identifiers-2015-09-14T08:10:00.000Z">BiblioNet publisher identifier</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: BiblioNet publisher identifier">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2189" title="Property:P2189">BiblioNet publisher ID</a> (P2189) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2189" title="Property talk:P2189">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier in the BiblioNet database of publishers</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>organisation</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16331089" title="Q16331089">Kedros (Q16331089)</a> → 21</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>6-digit long numerical values</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.biblionet.gr">http://www.biblionet.gr</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.biblionet.gr/com/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> BiblioNet is the only accessible database of book editions published in Greece, created by the National Book Centre of Greece. Also, a database of organisations and businesses etc. listed as publishers in books. --<a href="/wiki/User:Geraki" title="User:Geraki">geraki</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geraki" title="User talk:Geraki">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Geraki-2015-09-14T08:10:00.000Z-BiblioNet_publisher_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Identification_Number_of_Fantastique_Literature_(NILF)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Identification_Number_of_Fantastique_Literature_(NILF)-2015-09-16T09:21:00.000Z">Identification Number of Fantastique Literature (NILF)</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Identification Number of Fantastique Literature (NILF)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2191" title="Property:P2191">Vegetti Catalog of Fantastic Literature NILF ID</a> (P2191) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2191" title="Property talk:P2191">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identification Number of Fantastique Literature</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1130896" title="Q1130896">Valerio Evangelisti (Q1130896)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF11815/valerio-evangelisti/">Valerio Evangelisti</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori">http://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>A bot would have to be written to match the entries</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> NILF (Numero Identificativo della Letteratura Fantastica) is an identifier (for authors and works) used in the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/">Catalogo Vegetti</a>, an italian collaborative catalogue of fantastique literature genre. Very similar to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://http://www.isfdb.org/">ISFDB</a> catalogue, that has already its own property in wd <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1233">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1233</a> Having NILF identifier on wikidata could permit to match and augment linking between the Vegetti, ISFDB, Wikipedia. I've scraped all 12755 authors from the site (here in csv <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://github.com/atomotic/catalogo-vegetti/tree/master/authors">https://github.com/atomotic/catalogo-vegetti/tree/master/authors</a> ), i should be ready to match the author name with wikidata (thinking to use <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/edsu/wikidata_suggest">wikidata_suggest</a> or mix'n'match). <a href="/wiki/User:Atomotic" title="User:Atomotic">Atomotic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atomotic" title="User talk:Atomotic">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Atomotic-2015-09-16T09:21:00.000Z-Identification_Number_of_Fantastique_Literature_(NILF)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-18T11:35:00.000Z-Atomotic-2015-09-16T09:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment a better name of the property could be NILF author id (identifier for a person in the Catalogo Vegetti). i think that is better to specify that is for authors only, as <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1233">P1233</a>, because Vegetti use the same identifier also for books and publishers. <a href="/wiki/User:Atomotic" title="User:Atomotic">Atomotic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atomotic" title="User talk:Atomotic">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Atomotic-2015-09-19T09:45:00.000Z-Atomotic-2015-09-16T09:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="C-SPAN_identifier_of_a_person" data-mw-thread-id="h-C-SPAN_identifier_of_a_person-2015-09-19T17:43:00.000Z">C-SPAN identifier of a person</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: C-SPAN identifier of a person">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2190" title="Property:P2190">C-SPAN person ID</a> (P2190) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2190" title="Property talk:P2190">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a person's appearances on C-SPAN</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1022311" title="Q1022311">C-SPAN</a> (Q1022311)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:C-SPAN" class="extiw" title="en:Template:C-SPAN">en:Template:C-SPAN</a> on en.Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>valid C-SPAN URL slugs</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7937768" title="Q7937768">Vivian Schiller (Q7937768)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.c-span.org/person/?vivianschiller">vivianschiller</a>]</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>C-SPAN</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.c-span.org/person/?$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Possibly Mix'n'Match</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Template has 3,956 transclusions on en.WP. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-SPAN" class="extiw" title="en:C-SPAN">en:C-SPAN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-19T17:43:00.000Z-C-SPAN_identifier_of_a_person" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:31:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-19T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mavrikant" title="User:Mavrikant">Mavrikant</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mavrikant" title="User talk:Mavrikant">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Mavrikant-2015-09-23T07:26:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-09-19T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="endangeredlanguages.com_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-endangeredlanguages.com_ID-2015-09-20T12:37:00.000Z">endangeredlanguages.com ID</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: endangeredlanguages.com ID">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2192" title="Property:P2192">endangeredlanguages.com ID</a> (P2192) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2192" title="Property talk:P2192">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>endangeredlanguages.com is a project of Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. It provides some informations on endangered languages from all over the world</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>languages</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3027953" title="Q3027953">Sirionó (Q3027953)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2730">http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2730</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> endangeredlanguages.com provides a database for the endangered languages. <a href="/wiki/User:Pamputt" title="User:Pamputt">Pamputt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pamputt" title="User talk:Pamputt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Pamputt-2015-09-20T12:37:00.000Z-endangeredlanguages.com_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-23T03:30:00.000Z-Pamputt-2015-09-20T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="PSS-Archi_architect_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-PSS-Archi_architect_id-2015-09-11T07:59:00.000Z">PSS-Archi architect id</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: PSS-Archi architect id">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2194" title="Property:P2194">PSS-archi architect ID</a> (P2194) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2194" title="Property talk:P2194">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an architect in the PSS-archi database.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>1 to infinite</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20950407" title="Q20950407">Émile-Auguste Chollat (Q20950407)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.pss-archi.eu/architecte/483/">483</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.pss-archi.eu/architecte/$1/</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1838" title="Property:P1838">Property:P1838</a> is in use for buildings id, this one can be useful for architects. <a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono">JeanBono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JeanBono">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-JeanBono-2015-09-11T07:59:00.000Z-PSS-Archi_architect_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 11 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support looks useful, nobody opposed in the last two weeks so marking this one as ready. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Multichill-2015-10-01T19:34:00.000Z-PSS-Archi_architect_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Soccerbase_manager_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-Soccerbase_manager_id-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z">Soccerbase manager id</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Soccerbase manager id">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2195" title="Property:P2195">Soccerbase manager ID</a> (P2195) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2195" title="Property talk:P2195">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>manager Id on the Soccerbase website</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>1 or id in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Soccerbase_manager" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Soccerbase manager">en:Template:Soccerbase manager</a> and equivalent templates for other languages</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>human</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>strings representing numbers without leading zeroes</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q44980" title="Q44980">Alex Ferguson (Q44980)</a> → 48 -> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.soccerbase.com/managers/manager.sd?manager_id=48">http://www.soccerbase.com/managers/manager.sd?manager_id=48</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Mainly <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Soccerbase_manager" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Soccerbase manager">en:Template:Soccerbase manager</a> and equivalent templates</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.soccerbase.com/managers/manager.sd?manager_id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots could be created to import this using the templates.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Soccerbase is a database of mainly European soccer results and statistics, run by the Racing Post. It has various IDs, including for managers, so could be used for authority control, and as a useful source of information. There are templates that we could import from, and there are 17 apparently equivalent ones for different languages we could use to help verify the data quality, and cover a wide range of managers. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z-Soccerbase_manager_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 6 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-09-17T13:46:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment only English and Scottish League managers <a href="/wiki/User:Plagiat" title="User:Plagiat">Plagiat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plagiat" title="User talk:Plagiat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Plagiat-2015-10-04T11:36:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Soccerbase_player_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-Soccerbase_player_id-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z">Soccerbase player id</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Soccerbase player id">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2193" title="Property:P2193">Soccerbase player ID</a> (P2193) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2193" title="Property talk:P2193">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>player Id on the Soccerbase website</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>1 or id in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Soccerbase" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Soccerbase">en:Template:Soccerbase</a> and equivalent templates for other languages</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>human</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>strings representing numbers without leading zeroes</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q10520" title="Q10520">David Beckham (Q10520)</a> → 547 -> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=547">http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=547</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Mainly <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Soccerbase" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Soccerbase">en:Template:Soccerbase</a> and equivalent templates</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots could be created to import this using the templates.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Soccerbase is a database of mainly European soccer results and statistics, run by the Racing Post. It has various IDs, including for players, so could be used for authority control, and as a useful source of information. There are templates that we could import from, and there are 31 apparently equivalent ones for different languages we could use to help verify the data quality, and cover a wide range of players. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z-Soccerbase_player_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 6 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-09-17T13:46:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Plagiat" title="User:Plagiat">Plagiat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plagiat" title="User talk:Plagiat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Plagiat-2015-10-04T11:26:00.000Z-Silverfish-2015-09-06T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="arrest_date" data-mw-thread-id="h-arrest_date-2015-09-14T09:25:00.000Z">arrest date</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: arrest date">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>date when subject was arrested by a law enforcement agency</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1403016" title="Q1403016">arrest</a> (Q1403016)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#time" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Point in time</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>apprehended</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>person, maybe also organizations</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q298252" title="Q298252">John Wayne Gacy (Q298252)</a> → December 21, 1978</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> May be very useful property for various criminals and some organizations. Qualifiers may also be added in the future such as by whom the subject was arrested (E.g. police, FBI, etc.) or which crime suspected of. <a href="/wiki/User:Nonexyst" title="User:Nonexyst">Nonexyst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nonexyst" title="User talk:Nonexyst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Nonexyst-2015-09-14T09:25:00.000Z-arrest_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose I don't think multiplying dates and location property for each and every type of event is a good thing. <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a> can do the trick. --<a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan">Casper Tinan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casper_Tinan" title="User talk:Casper Tinan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Casper_Tinan-2015-09-14T20:19:00.000Z-Nonexyst-2015-09-14T09:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, per Casper Tinan. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Yair_rand-2015-09-16T22:53:00.000Z-Nonexyst-2015-09-14T09:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per <a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan">Casper Tinan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casper_Tinan" title="User talk:Casper Tinan">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casper_Tinan" title="Special:Contributions/Casper Tinan">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Casper_Tinan" title="Special:Log/Casper Tinan">logs</a>), use: <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q298252" title="Q298252">John Wayne Gacy (Q298252)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q298252&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q298252&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P793&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1403016" title="Q1403016">arrest (Q1403016)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1403016&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1403016&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P585&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ 21 December 1978 ⟩</div></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-17T03:11:00.000Z-Nonexyst-2015-09-14T09:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 17 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done per above. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Multichill-2015-10-01T19:32:00.000Z-arrest_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="MoMA_artist_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-MoMA_artist_id-2015-09-26T11:28:00.000Z">MoMA artist id</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: MoMA artist id">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2174" title="Property:P2174">Museum of Modern Art artist ID</a> (P2174) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2174" title="Property talk:P2174">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier assigned to an artist by the Museum of Modern Art in New York</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>humans who are artists</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q602999" title="Q602999">Antonio M. Ruíz (Q602999)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.moma.org/collection/artists/5078">5078</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.moma.org/collection/artists/">http://www.moma.org/collection/artists/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.moma.org/collection/artists/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Already have backlinks to Wikidata (and Wikipedia). These should be imported. Should be added to Mix'n'Match</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Nice and clean database like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1795" title="Property:P1795">Smithsonian American Art Museum person/institution ID (P1795)</a> & <a href="/wiki/Property:P2041" title="Property:P2041">National Gallery of Victoria artist ID (P2041)</a>. This database includes backlinks to Wikidata!!! Good addition to get more coverage in the contemporary art area. Update: Forgot to mention that we already have <a href="/wiki/Property:P2014" title="Property:P2014">Museum of Modern Art work ID (P2014)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Multichill-2015-09-26T11:38:00.000Z-MoMA_artist_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - looks like more than 10,000 records so though not huge, a property seems more appropriate than using catalog. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jane023-2015-09-26T11:28:00.000Z-Multichill-2015-09-26T11:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Oursana-2015-09-29T10:24:00.000Z-Multichill-2015-09-26T11:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="maximum_thrust" data-mw-thread-id="h-maximum_thrust-2013-10-03T02:07:00.000Z">maximum thrust</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: maximum thrust">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2228" title="Property:P2228">maximum thrust</a> (P2228) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2228" title="Property talk:P2228">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>maximum thrust specified for a jet engine</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:jetspecs" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:jetspecs">w:en:Template:jetspecs</a> : thrust</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>jet engines</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>thrust measurement</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7988946" title="Q7988946">Westinghouse J30 (Q7988946)</a> => maximum thrust => 1360 lbf</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>importation from articles using template 'jetspecs'</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-03T02:07:00.000Z-maximum_thrust" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:jetspecs" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:jetspecs">'jetspecs' infobox</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Joshbaumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-03T02:07:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2013-10-03T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Semi-major_axis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-major_axis-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z">Semi-major axis</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Semi-major axis">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2233" title="Property:P2233">semi-major axis of an orbit</a> (P2233) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2233" title="Property talk:P2233">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/semi-major_axis" class="extiw" title="w:semi-major axis">semi-major axis</a> of a stable orbit.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>Number (units=distance)-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox planet">en:template:Infobox planet</a> semimajor</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Any astronomical object in a stable orbit (mostly planets)</td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td>see <a href="/wiki/Property:P2233" title="Property:P2233">semi-major axis of an orbit (P2233)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z-Semi-major_axis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li>Description: The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/semi-major_axis" class="extiw" title="w:semi-major axis">semi-major axis</a> of a stable orbit.</li> <li>Datatype: Number (units=distance)</li> <li>Links:</li> <li>Domain: Any astronomical object in a stable orbit (mostly planets)</li> <li>Infobox parameter example: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_planet" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox planet">en:template:Infobox planet</a> semimajor</li> <li>Comments: See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements" class="extiw" title="w:Orbital elements">w:Orbital elements</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MER-C" title="User talk:MER-C">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. In my opinion could be useful to create properties for the other orbital elements, too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Paperoastro" title="User:Paperoastro">Paperoastro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paperoastro" title="User talk:Paperoastro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Paperoastro-2013-02-08T14:54:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User:MichaelSchoenitzer">MichaelSchoenitzer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MichaelSchoenitzer" title="User talk:MichaelSchoenitzer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-MichaelSchoenitzer-2013-02-09T01:19:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:PiRSquared17" title="User:PiRSquared17">πr2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PiRSquared17" title="User talk:PiRSquared17">t</a>• <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17" title="Special:Contributions/PiRSquared17">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-PiRSquared17-2013-02-09T16:37:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support it is necessary for infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Sunpriat" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sunpriat">Sunpriat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sunpriat" title="User talk:Sunpriat">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Sunpriat-2014-10-06T19:35:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done see <a href="/wiki/Property:P2233" title="Property:P2233">semi-major axis of an orbit (P2233)</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-GZWDer-2015-10-06T05:34:00.000Z-MER-C-2013-02-08T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="distance_from_river_mouth" data-mw-thread-id="h-distance_from_river_mouth-2014-06-05T20:04:00.000Z">distance from river mouth</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: distance from river mouth">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2148" title="Property:P2148">distance from river mouth</a> (P2148) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2148" title="Property talk:P2148">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/river_mile" class="extiw" title="w:river mile">w:river mile</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>number with dimension-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>streams</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number from 0 to length of stream</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5455008" title="Q5455008">Fishing Creek (Q5455008)</a> has claim <a href="/wiki/Property:P974" title="Property:P974">tributary (P974)</a> --> <a href="/wiki/Q17140282" title="Q17140282">Stony Brook (Q17140282)</a> --> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:PXXXX&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:PXXXX (page does not exist)">PXXXX (PXXXX)</a> --> 8.1 [unit:miles/KMs] (this is a qualifier)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>(<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lycoming.edu/cwi/pdfs/paGazetterOfStreams.pdf">This</a> for Pennsylvania streams. Warning: it's a huge PDF file)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Qualifier for P974 statements on streams. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jakec-2014-06-05T20:04:00.000Z-distance_from_river_mouth" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 5 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jura1-2014-06-22T07:38:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-06-05T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 22 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support: This could be used for other items, such an each item that is a <a href="/wiki/Q2280652" class="mw-redirect" title="Q2280652">lock (Q2280652)</a> (such as a <a href="/wiki/Q105731" title="Q105731">lock (Q105731)</a>), or is a <a href="/wiki/Q12280" title="Q12280">bridge (Q12280)</a>. Is this always distance from the mouth end? --<a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closeapple" title="User talk:Closeapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Closeapple-2014-06-23T02:02:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-06-05T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 23 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose There is also "river kilometer", and I see no reason to have two independent properties for the same concept. Better to have one that represents both, and then display the wished unit.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 06:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)</s> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Better name! However it will have to wait because we don't have units yet...--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Micru-2014-06-24T06:51:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-06-05T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: It sounds like you're just opposing the name. I've changed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jakec" title="User talk:Jakec">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jakec-2014-06-24T12:37:00.000Z-Micru-2014-06-24T06:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 24 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/15px-Time2wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/23px-Time2wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/30px-Time2wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> On hold To be moved to pending. Notification: <a href="/wiki/User:Jakec" title="User:Jakec">Jakob</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a>.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Micru-2014-07-01T08:55:00.000Z-distance_from_river_mouth" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Spatial_length" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spatial_length-2014-10-26T20:16:00.000Z">Spatial length</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Spatial length">edit</a>]</div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2043" title="Property:P2043">length</a> (P2043) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2043" title="Property talk:P2043">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Spatial extent for the object along the main axis, what is most commonly referred to as its length.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q36253" title="Q36253">length</a> (Q36253)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"length" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:template:infobox_lake" class="extiw" title="w:en:template:infobox lake">w:en:template:infobox lake</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Any object with spatial extent</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>All positive one-dimensional values with a length unit</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>The length of lake <a href="/wiki/Q212209" title="Q212209">Mjøsa (Q212209)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots would collect this from both articles in Wikipedia and use external datasets</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad">Jeblad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeblad" title="User talk:Jeblad">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> This is a spatial extent for an object, not to be confused with a length along a path. Also called maximum length some places. Other proposals include the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#length" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/2">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2#length</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Dimensions_and_units_for_the_quantity_datatype#Length_2" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype">Wikidata:Requests for comment/Dimensions and units for the quantity datatype#Length 2</a>. I believe it is a difference between a spatial objects length along the main axis and some length. The later would use a qualifier. An alternate name could be length extent, or even spatial length extent. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad">Jeblad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeblad" title="User talk:Jeblad">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:16:00.000Z-Spatial_length" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad"><bdi>Jeblad</bdi></a>: In the development plan we have a geo-shape datatype (<a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Geo-shape_datatype" title="Wikidata:Development plan">Wikidata:Development_plan#Geo-shape_datatype</a>). I think it would be best to wait for that datatype. We could then either create this property or see if we can fill the database with high resolution shapes and then calculate values like: area, longest / shortest axis, northernmost point etc... -<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2014-10-26T20:45:00.000Z-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If the shape is known, then it should be no problem to infer this value, but having an extent of an object does not imply having a shape of the same object. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad">Jeblad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeblad" title="User talk:Jeblad">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:53:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-10-26T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think it also depends on the resolution our geo-shapes will have. The calculated length of a lake especially with low-resolution polygons might be in conflict with what our sources say. So we probably need a property like this to input official survey data. -<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Tobias1984-2014-10-26T21:01:00.000Z-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is often referred to as one dimension i an spatial extent, where the extent itself is either an instance of a class or a typed blank node. Because we probably want to describe this in a simple way we should keep the description "flat". We could use the qualifiers to describe all the values for an "extent", but then we would have nothing for the main snak. Or, we could set it to "no value". That would be weird. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad">Jeblad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeblad" title="User talk:Jeblad">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jeblad-2014-10-26T21:16:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-10-26T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Note that <a href="#Spatial_extent">#Spatial extent</a> is an alternate and more general solution. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeblad" title="User:Jeblad">Jeblad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeblad" title="User talk:Jeblad">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Jeblad-2014-10-30T01:40:00.000Z-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Wait until we have number with dimension datatype. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/36#c-Filceolaire-2014-10-31T21:10:00.000Z-Jeblad-2014-10-26T20:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I guess this can be interpreted as the same that is described as "length" in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Pending/2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/2">Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending/2</a>. It is often called the "major axis length". If we only call it length it will probably not be accurate enough. Imagine a lake with its largest extent east-west and a river flowing in from north and out to south. Then some people will say that the lakes biggest length is east-west (extent) and some north-south (direction of flow). 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