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But watching the degrading of society's values and traditions with the introduction of misguided laws is very frustrating. It subjects you to feelings of helpless rage when you see poets being turned back at our borders, clowns being banned from performing for children, CCTV in schools and now bouncers being given the power to issue on-the-spot fines.</p><p>One of the things that society needs is a clear distinction between authority and the public, a sense that those who are in authority have been trained in the law, are accountable for their behaviour and respect individual rights. Under Labour the lines have been blurred by officious regiment of community support officers, street wardens and accredited persons scheme, which, for example allows, the Norfolk police to give nightclub doormen the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090730031928/http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED29%20Jun%202009%2007:39:33:030" title="Norwich Evening News: Bouncers get powers for fines">power to fine people</a> without any kind of legal process.</p><p>Norfolk magistrates were unaware that the police had accredited bouncers in the Prince of Wales Road area of Norwich, which contains many of the city's clubs and pubs, because the police had not consulted either JPs or local judiciary. Suddenly bouncers belonging to a firm called Eventguard were handing out fines without any kind of formal procedure or transparency. Paul Allen, chairman of the local magistrates, suggests that this bypasses the authority of magistrates courts and may result in people being fined unfairly or not receiving the proper punishment.</p><p>At Addenbrooke's hospital there are now eight staff who have been "trained" by police and are empowered to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090730031928/http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=435194" title="Cambridge News: Hospital's staff to issue on-spot fines">issue on-the-spot fines to patients</a>, an astonishing development sanctioned by the chief constable of Cambridgeshire, Julie Spence. Under the Community Safety Accreditation Scheme (CSAS) , introduced by the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090730031928/http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/jan/13/police-reform-act" title="liberty central: Police Reform Act">Police Reform Act</a> in 2002, they have the power to demand the name and address of a person and fine them for disorder. In Cambridgeshire, people are concerned about the spread of unaccountable policing and the creation of a "private police force". The police committee expressed worries that "no local democratic or public debate has occurred".</p><p>One of the significant powers given to the 1,500 accredited security guards, park wardens and bouncers is access to the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090730031928/http://www.npia.police.uk/en/10508.htm" title="NPIA: Police National Computer">Police National Computer</a>, which must surely increase the risk of abuse of the database.</p><p>The Magistrates Association <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20090730031928/http://www.no2id.net/newsblog/2009-07/magistrate-protest-as-%e2%80%98bouncers%e2%80%99-get-power-to-give-on-the-spot-fine/" title="NO2ID: Magistrate protest as 'bouncers' get power to give on-the-spot fine">has protested to Jack Straw</a>. "Our concern is that here we have essentially a 'third-tier' police force that is now including security guards and door supervisors,"said the deputy chairman of the Magistrates Association, John Howson. "These people need to check the Police National Computer to see if the person has a criminal record. We don't think it appropriate for these people to have that access."</p><p>When the director of public prosecutions, Keir Starmer, said that on-the-spot fines helped lighten the load of courts, Howson remarked, "The DPP should not be considering what is expedient but what is just."</p><p>Quite right. But it's not simply justice that is affected by this shoddy little law. If a bouncer – now dignified with the term "door supervisor" – has the power to behave like a police officer it dilutes the special authority of the police. Neither law nor order is served, and it will be the public that suffers from the lack of clarity and the obvious potential for numerous minor injustices. 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