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In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has <em>also</em> been revoked.</div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a>, then submit a request to the <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblock_Ticket_Request_System" title="Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System">Unblock Ticket Request System</a></i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921192200","author":"Just Step Sideways","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200-September_2024","replies":["c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200-September_2024"></span></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200"></span>The reason I have done this is that it has been six years since you were blocked, with no appeals that I am aware of. While we do allow blocked users some latitude on their own talk page, just coming by to delete things off your talk page without even attempting to get unblocked over such a long period of time just seems unproductive and frankly, unhealthy.</dd> <dd>Note that as a community-imposed block, UTRS can only re-grant talk page access, it cannot lift the block. If you aren't planning to try and appeal the block, please just move on. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921192500","author":"Just Step Sideways","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192500-Just_Step_Sideways-20240921192200"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JBW-20240921222300-September_2024"></span> Having consulted <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a>, I shall restore your talk page access. However, I have also declined <span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/93760">UTRS appeal #93760</a></span>, and my advice to you is that making another unblock request is almost certain to be a waste of your time and anyone else's time who reviews the request. As I said at UTRS, your recent history at Wikidata does not encourage me to think that unblocking you would be constructive, and I really can't see any likelihood at all that a community discussion would lead to unblocking. <a href="/wiki/User:JBW" title="User:JBW">JBW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JBW" title="User talk:JBW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-JBW-20240921222300-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JBW-20240921222300-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240921222300","author":"JBW","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JBW-20240921222300-September_2024","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JBW-20240921222300-September_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Herostratus-20241011025600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600","replies":["c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"],"text":"Your Service Award","linkableTitle":"Your Service Award"}--><h2 id="Your_Service_Award" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600"></span>Your Service Award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Your Service Award"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Herostratus-20241011025600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600","replies":["c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600","timestamp":"20241015164400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__4__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Herostratus-20241011025600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Your_Service_Award-20241011025600","replies":["c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"],"text":"Your Service Award","linkableTitle":"Your Service Award"}--></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Frame"><a href="/wiki/File:Sagacious_star.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Sagacious_star.png" decoding="async" width="150" height="200" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="150" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption><div style="background-color:#E0E0C8; border:solid 2px SteelBlue; padding:0em; margin:0em; text-align: center">This editor is a<br/><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards#Sagacious_Editor_(or_Ephoros_of_the_Encyclopedia)" title="Wikipedia:Service awards"><big><i>Sagacious Editor</i></big></a></b><br/>and is entitled to display this<br/><b><a href="/wiki/Carbonadium" class="mw-redirect" title="Carbonadium">Carbonadium</a> Editor Star</b> with the <br/><a href="/wiki/Strangelet" title="Strangelet">Strangelet</a> <a href="/wiki/Small_stellated_dodecahedron" title="Small stellated dodecahedron">Superstar</a>.</div></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Ephoros.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Ephoros.jpg/150px-Ephoros.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="191" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Ephoros.jpg/225px-Ephoros.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Ephoros.jpg 2x" data-file-width="235" data-file-height="300"/></a><figcaption>This editor is <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards#Sagacious_Editor_(or_Ephoros_of_the_Encyclopedia)" title="Wikipedia:Service awards">Ephoros of the Encyclopedia</a></b> and is entitled to keep this floor plan of <b>The Great Library of Alecyclopedias</b> with magnifying glass, signed by <a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Wales" title="Jimmy Wales">Jimbo</a> with a silver marker, and including its cardboard carrying tube.</figcaption></figure> <p>Hi there Mr Norton. I came across you totally at random. Looks like you've run into some unpleasantness. That sucks, and you have my sympathy. That doesn't mean I have any idea who did what or why or when or whose fault it was. Just that, right or wrong, it sure sucks to get piled on so heavily and then shown the door after being here so long. I do feel badly for you. </p><p>On the merits, quick glance shows that you seem to have some fair points about some things at least. But we'll not talk about that now. </p><p><i>Any</i>ways, when I made the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SERVICE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SERVICE">WP:SERVICE</a> awards, I was adamant that they applied to everyone the same, always, whether you were banned, dead, serving ten to twenty in the Iowa State Penitentiary, or anything else. No political considerations can ever enter into it. Therefore allow me to award you your current service award. You are at an extremely high level, highest I've seen. I'm sure that, regardless of anything else, that you have made many valuable contributions to the project, and I thank you for your service. </p><p>I have some ideas for a possible appeal if you want one, contact me. Regardless, godspeed and dread nought. <a href="/wiki/User:Herostratus" title="User:Herostratus">Herostratus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Herostratus" title="User talk:Herostratus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011025600","author":"Herostratus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award","replies":["c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600","c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600","c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Herostratus-20241011025600-Your_Service_Award"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span>- A well deserved award. RAN's titanic contributions to human knowledge will continue to benefit humanity for at least as long as there's an internet. <a href="/wiki/User:FeydHuxtable" title="User:FeydHuxtable">FeydHuxtable</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FeydHuxtable" title="User talk:FeydHuxtable">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013133400","author":"FeydHuxtable","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FeydHuxtable-20241013133400-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span>Thanks! I was just blocked at Wikidata after asking a new Admin guy to restore some items deleted out-of-process, that were created by a third party, their response was to permaban <b>me</b> without any warning. See: <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive/2024/09#h-Q126487673-20240910172200" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2024/09">Wikidata:Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2024/09#h-Q126487673-20240910172200</a> If anyone con contact someone from the WMF and send them the link to the ban, it would be helpful.</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>- The noticeboard discussion you linked to is truly shocking. Sadly my contacts at WMF have long since left (not that they were ever able to assist much with reigning in permabanners or even with memorializing fallen heroes.) I hope someone else is able to help, or if not I guess maybe you could take your talent & energies to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Alternative_outlets#Non-Wikimedia_Foundation" title="Wikipedia:Alternative outlets">non WMF project</a>, at least for a while. There are changes underway in the collective unconscious; it's possible in another five years or so, Wikipedia will once again be relatively hospitable for inclusionists. PS - unfortunately, it's probably best not to reply. Deleting messages from your talk page is one thing, but there are admins who might see taking part in any sort of conversation that's not about getting yourself unblocked (on this project – not on other projects) as a reason to revoke Talk Page access. PPS Hope you saw Herostratus's kind offer to contact them about ideas for appeal, maybe there will be some way for them to help if you email them. <a href="/wiki/User:FeydHuxtable" title="User:FeydHuxtable">FeydHuxtable</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FeydHuxtable" title="User talk:FeydHuxtable">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014162900","author":"FeydHuxtable","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600","replies":["c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FeydHuxtable" title="User:FeydHuxtable">FeydHuxtable</a>:</span> Wikidata does not have much patience for the amount of haggling and divisivity he was engaging in and pushing, respectively. To be frank, Wikidata rejects the concept of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vested_contributors" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Vested contributors">vested contributors</a> and consequently, no one is given a pass for the content work they have done or could do. The foundation respects that and will not intervene. Richard was given multiple chances to fairly appeal their block and instead continued to try to sow divisibility by listing users on his userpage as holding views they did not necessarily hold.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng" title="User:Jasper Deng">Jasper Deng</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jasper_Deng" title="User talk:Jasper Deng">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015162000","author":"Jasper Deng","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jasper_Deng-20241015162000-FeydHuxtable-20241014162900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span>I think he is referring to keeping track of the permaban/deletion debate by listing people with a more liberal view of Wikidata:Notability and inclusion, and linking to their arguments; and listing people with a more conservative view of Wikidata:Notability, and exclusion and linking to their arguments. Somehow this is seen as sinister. They also objected to me linking to the archived permaban debate on my talk page, it has been removed twice now, and I am now blocked from using my Wikidata talk page. The rational was that adding the link to the debate was "misuse" of my talk page. Remember this all started by <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive/2024/09#h-Q126487673-20240910172200" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2024/09">Wikidata:Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2024/09#h-Q126487673-20240910172200</a> asking that several Wikidata entries be restored that were deleted out-of-process. <a href="/wiki/User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)" title="User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )">RAN</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)#c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015164400","author":"Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600","replies":[],"displayName":"RAN"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)-20241015164400-Herostratus-20241011025600"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion"></span>Proposed deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II-20250128033800"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a> of <a href="/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst_II" title="William Randolph Hearst II">William Randolph Hearst II</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II-20250128033800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of William Randolph Hearst II"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Y-20250128033800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II-20250128033800","replies":["c-Y-20250128033800-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Y-20250128033800-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II","timestamp":"20250128033800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Y-20250128033800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II-20250128033800","replies":["c-Y-20250128033800-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II"],"text":"Proposed deletion of William Randolph Hearst II","linkableTitle":"Proposed deletion of William Randolph Hearst II"}--></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y-20250128033800-Proposed_deletion_of_William_Randolph_Hearst_II"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Notice" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="386" data-file-height="334"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The article <a href="/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst_II" title="William Randolph Hearst II">William Randolph Hearst II</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed for deletion</a> because of the following concern: </p> <blockquote><p><b>a non-notable person descended from a notable person</b></p></blockquote> <p>While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEL#REASON" 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