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talk:Diannaa/Archive 96">Archive 96</a> September–October 2024</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa/Archive_97&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Diannaa/Archive 97 (page does not exist)">Archive 97</a> November–December 2024</li></ul></div></div></td> </tr><tr><td class="sidebar-below hlist"> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="15" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:Diannaa/" name="prefix"/> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alexander_Tetelbaum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alexander_Tetelbaum-20241030153200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alexander_Tetelbaum-20241030153200"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Tetelbaum&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alexander Tetelbaum (page does not exist)">Alexander Tetelbaum</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alexander_Tetelbaum-20241030153200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Alexander Tetelbaum"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200-Alexander_Tetelbaum"></span>Hi Dianna, </p><p>I think that page "Alexander Tetelbaum" was deleted by mistake. This page exists for more than 20 years and has true info and supporting links. </p><p>I made minor changes around 4/24, when I added a newly published book "Executive Director". Until 10/29 it was no issues with this addition. </p><p>I think I accidentally triggered some issues when on 10/29, I tried to add a new page " 'Executive Director' Book". On this page, I had 2 references: 1--to "Alexander Tetelbaum" page and 2--to the book "Executive Director" (at Amazon). </p><p>I would highly appreciate it if you restored the deleted page. Sorry if I cause any trouble. </p><p>Best regards, Natalie Heroux. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343" title="Special:Contributions/2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343">2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200-Alexander_Tetelbaum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200-Alexander_Tetelbaum"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200-Alexander_Tetelbaum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200"></span>Hello, I checked carefully and found that all the content was copied from their biography at Amazon, right back to the creation of the article in 2007. If you want to try again please consider starting the article in draftspace, as there were notability issues as well (though I did not delete it for that reason). See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts" title="Wikipedia:Drafts">Wikipedia:Drafts</a> for details on how to create a draft. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241030185800-2601:644:8181:930:B061:CD45:30FE:2343-20241030153200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800"></span>In 2007, Dr. Alexander Tetelbaum did not publish anything on Amazon and the page had no links to Amazon.</dd> <dd>There is no Amazon infrigenmrnt rights on the page. The book ("executive director was published and the linked added about 6 months ago).</dd> <dd>The page has no images and text from Amazon. The content could not be copied from Amazon--it was created meny years before any content on Amazon. Almost 20 years it was no issues with notability!</dd> <dd>Please check and restore the page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nheroux&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nheroux (page does not exist)">Nheroux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nheroux" title="User talk:Nheroux">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nheroux-20241111184200-Diannaa-20241030185800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200"></span>Sorry, but since the content is a match for material present at Amazon, I have to err on the side of caution and remove it from Wikipedia as a likely violation of our copyright policy. Since you've checked with me and I have twice refused to restore the page (as well as had another admin refuse to restore it when you asked on your talk page), your next option is to post at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">WP:Deletion review</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241111205300-Nheroux-20241111184200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300"></span>Hi Dianna,</dd> <dd>I clicked WP:Deltion review, but the page is very complecated--I had no clue where I could provide my complaint. I would appreciate if you pass my letter to the review:</dd> <dd>I ask you to consider restoring the page "Alexander Tetelbaum" as being deleted without fair justification by Diannaa.</dd> <dd>Initially, the reason for deletion was that the page had infringed Amazon copyrights. Namely, had an image and text about the book "Executive Director". The page never had this staff--only a reference to the book.</dd> <dd>Later, Diannaa changed the reason and stated the similarities between the page and Amazon's Author BIO. Yes, the two BIO's are similar and it must be expected--if they had been different it would mean that one of them or both are incorrect. Also, this BIO is not the property of Amazon and got into Amazon about 15 years later than was published in Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Also, Dianna questioned notability. Alexander Tetelbaum was the founding President of the first Jewish University in Ukraine, the author of 20 books, and dozens more achievements.</dd> <dd>It took 5 seconds to delete the page and now Dianna suggested resubmitting the page--and this is 40-50 hours of work. There is also a difference in that the original page was created in 2007 vs. a possible new one.</dd> <dd>This does not look right when one person can make such decisions and constantly change the reason for deletion. In case of resubmission, it can be also rejected taking into account that we are not happy with how Dianna handled this issue and we are afraid of retaliation.</dd> <dd>I honestly do not see any serious arguments to remove the page with 17 history, fully true, and all facts are supported by multiple references. I do not want to speculate, but the page was deleted soon after Dr. Tetelbaum published his book "Executive Director" which had some criticism of Wikipedia. Also, he recently published a joke on X and Truth websites where Wikipedia was mentioned among other organizations.</dd> <dd>To conclude, I ask you to restore the page and if you see any issues, we will fix them. Thanks for your consideration.</dd> <dd>Respectfully, Natalie Heroux (nheroux) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nheroux&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nheroux (page does not exist)">Nheroux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nheroux" title="User talk:Nheroux">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nheroux-20241113185700-Diannaa-20241111205300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700"></span>I have posted it as requested. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241113194500-Nheroux-20241113185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500"></span>You can read the results here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_November_13" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 November 13">Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 November 13</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241114124000-Diannaa-20241113194500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality" data-mw-thread-id="h-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality-20241031135000"><span id="fair_use.2C_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality-20241031135000"></span>fair use, or PD unmet threshold of originality<span data-mw-comment-end="h-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality-20241031135000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: fair use, or PD unmet threshold of originality"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241031135000-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality"></span>I see you marked it as fair use. I've seen bland logos like this often marked as PD of below threshold of originality. Care to comment on this? File:Ctglogo.jpg <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls" title="User talk:Graywalls">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Graywalls-20241031135000-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241031135000-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241031135000-fair_use,_or_PD_unmet_threshold_of_originality"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000"></span>Which logo are you talking about? A link would be great. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241031202100-Graywalls-20241031135000"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ctglogo.jpg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ctglogo.jpg</a> Seems like just lettering and a partial circle around it wouldn't pass "threshold of originality", so shouldn't this be PD? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls" title="User talk:Graywalls">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241031232700-Diannaa-20241031202100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700"></span>Yeah, it looks okay. The original 2007 upload will have to remain hidden though, as it is a different, more elaborate logo. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241031234000-Graywalls-20241031232700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)-20240926220700"><span id="Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_.283.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)-20240926220700"></span>Help needed at CopyPatrol (3)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)-20240926220700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Help needed at CopyPatrol (3)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20240926220700-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span>Hello everybody. We currently have about 105 items in the queue at CopyPatrol. I need some helpers please. Pinging some recent participants: <a href="/wiki/User:The4lines" title="User:The4lines">The4lines</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DanCherek" title="User:DanCherek">DanCherek</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L3X1" title="User:L3X1">L3X1</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>. Any interested talk page watchers could do a few cases as well! Please stop by and help, even if you only have time to clear a few cases. Thank you very much! — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20240926220700-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20240926220700-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20240926220700-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241101183300-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span>Pings may not have worked. Re-sending:<a href="/wiki/User:The4lines" title="User:The4lines">The4lines</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:DanCherek" title="User:DanCherek">DanCherek</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L3X1" title="User:L3X1">L3X1</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>-- -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241101183300-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241101183300-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241101183300-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241102034100-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span>Thanks to those who helped clear the backlog. It allowed me time to do wacky things like taking a 7-hour break from Wikipedia lol. Right now there's a free showing of Michael Moore's film <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_heq6CkeMH8">Fahrenheit 11/9</a> on You Tube-- -- <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241102034100-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241102034100-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241102034100-Help_needed_at_CopyPatrol_(3)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism." data-mw-thread-id="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism.-20241102230900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism.-20241102230900"></span><a href="/wiki/Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism" class="mw-redirect" title="Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism">Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism.-20241102230900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Comparisons between Donald Trump and fascism."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maykiwi-20241102230900-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism."></span>Greetings. I see you tagged the article for long quotations. Guilty as charged. I just want to point out that such a controversial subject may require long quotations. For example, when I read the titles of the articles about Madeleine Albright's book, I though she had plainly said Trump is no fascist, but the reviewers disagreed with her. It took reading all the articles to realize that is not exactly the case, and that some of the events she said would make her to declare Trump a fascist have come to pass - but not exactly as she expected (Covid, Ukraine, inflation?). Could I convey the subtlety of a diplomat's words better than Ms. Albright herself? In the other cases, are bare titles enough to make the content understandable and their value appreciable? Specially when the main argument of the editors who want to delete the article is that the sources are mere attacks or opinions? <a href="/wiki/User:Maykiwi" title="User:Maykiwi">Maykiwi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maykiwi" title="User talk:Maykiwi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Maykiwi-20241102230900-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maykiwi-20241102230900-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maykiwi-20241102230900-Comparisons_between_Donald_Trump_and_fascism."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900"></span>Quotations don't make for engaging prose. Our readers are not going to read material hidden in the citations. Your article should be prepared with our readers in mind, not to protect it from deletion at AFD. You could remove the quotations from material readily available online. For example, you've copied the abstract from a journal article. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241102231700-Maykiwi-20241102230900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont-20241104002700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont-20241104002700"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Ned_Lamont" title="Ned Lamont">Ned Lamont</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont-20241104002700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Ned Lamont"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Ned_Lamont" title="Ned Lamont"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onegreatjoke-20241104002700-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont"></span>Ned Lamont</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Ned_Lamont/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Ned Lamont/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Onegreatjoke" title="User:Onegreatjoke">Onegreatjoke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onegreatjoke" title="User talk:Onegreatjoke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Onegreatjoke-20241104002700-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onegreatjoke-20241104002700-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onegreatjoke-20241104002700-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ned_Lamont"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg-20241105133800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg-20241105133800"></span><a href="/wiki/File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg" title="File:Great Seal of the State of Kansas Colored.svg">File:Great Seal of the State of Kansas Colored.svg</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg-20241105133800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: File:Great Seal of the State of Kansas Colored.svg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Randykitty-20241105133800-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg"></span>Hi, I suspect copyvio here, but am not really a specialist in this area, so I'd appreciate highly if you could have a look at this. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Randykitty" title="User:Randykitty">Randykitty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Randykitty" title="User talk:Randykitty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Randykitty-20241105133800-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Randykitty-20241105133800-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Randykitty-20241105133800-File:Great_Seal_of_the_State_of_Kansas_Colored.svg"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800"></span>It's okay to make a version of a seal or crest using the original <a href="/wiki/Blazon" title="Blazon">blazon</a>. If you look at the seals in the "other versions" section, they are all pretty much the same.--<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241105134600-Randykitty-20241105133800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright-20241105154300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright-20241105154300"></span>Copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright-20241105154300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154300-Copyright"></span>Copyright <a href="/wiki/User:Servite_et_contribuere" title="User:Servite et contribuere">Servite et contribuere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Servite_et_contribuere" title="User talk:Servite et contribuere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154300-Copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154300-Copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154300-Copyright"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600-Copyright"></span>Hi. I definitely don’t want to steal copyright from the North Sydney Bears. I was a bit surprised about copyright, I just want evidence it was copyright please <a href="/wiki/User:Servite_et_contribuere" title="User:Servite et contribuere">Servite et contribuere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Servite_et_contribuere" title="User talk:Servite et contribuere">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600-Copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600-Copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600-Copyright"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600"></span>Song lyrics are always copyright, and we're not allowed to include them. Sorry, <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241105194900-Servite_et_contribuere-20241105154600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_improvement_suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_improvement_suggestion-20241106171300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_improvement_suggestion-20241106171300"></span>Article improvement suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_improvement_suggestion-20241106171300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Article improvement suggestion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wyatt_playz_32-20241106171300-Article_improvement_suggestion"></span>Hello <a class="mw-selflink selflink">@Diannaa</a>. Your article is a great start! To make it even better, consider adding more references to reliable sources. This helps verify the information and improves the article's quality. Check out this Wikipedia's guidelines on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> for more details. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wyatt_playz_32&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wyatt playz 32 (page does not exist)">Wyatt playz 32</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wyatt_playz_32" title="User talk:Wyatt playz 32">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Wyatt_playz_32-20241106171300-Article_improvement_suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wyatt_playz_32-20241106171300-Article_improvement_suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wyatt_playz_32-20241106171300-Article_improvement_suggestion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pentathlon_(film)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pentathlon_(film)-20241115110500"><span id="Pentathlon_.28film.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pentathlon_(film)-20241115110500"></span>Pentathlon (film)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pentathlon_(film)-20241115110500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Pentathlon (film)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241115110500-Pentathlon_(film)"></span>Hi Diannaa. Would you mind taking a look at <a href="/wiki/Pentathlon_(film)" title="Pentathlon (film)">Pentathlon (film)</a>? IP accounts show up every now and that to re-add about of stuff that might be a copyvio because it always has a copyright notice added at the very end. The latest IP showed up not earlier today and re-added the same content. Reverting it is no problem per se, but that just moves it to the page history which still might be a problem. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Marchjuly-20241115110500-Pentathlon_(film)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241115110500-Pentathlon_(film)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241115110500-Pentathlon_(film)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500"></span>Hi Marchjuly and thanks for the report. I was unable to locate the source document online but I agree it's likely copyvio so I have removed it and semi'd the article for a while. I will watch-list it as well so that if the problem resumes when the protection wears off I will see it right away. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241115144800-Marchjuly-20241115110500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800"></span>Thank you for checking out this. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241115201800-Diannaa-20241115144800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bihar_School_of_Yoga" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bihar_School_of_Yoga-20241116195400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bihar_School_of_Yoga-20241116195400"></span>Bihar School of Yoga<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bihar_School_of_Yoga-20241116195400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Bihar School of Yoga"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SourabhJ-20241116195400-Bihar_School_of_Yoga"></span>Hi <a class="mw-selflink selflink">@Diannaa</a>, I noticed that on July 21st you reverted changes made to <a href="/wiki/Bihar_School_of_Yoga" title="Bihar School of Yoga">Bihar School of Yoga</a> page citing "remove copyright content copied from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171539/https://sites.google.com/site/yogaposeunli/kundaliniyoga">https://web.archive.org/web/20201030171539/https://sites.google.com/site/yogaposeunli/kundaliniyoga</a>". The page you cited is dated October 2020. However the text that you said had a copyright violation, was actually added to the <a href="/wiki/Swami_Satyananda_Saraswati" class="mw-redirect" title="Swami Satyananda Saraswati">Swami Satyananda Saraswati</a> page on 8 Dec 2019 as can be seen here: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyananda_Saraswati&oldid=929851837">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyananda_Saraswati&oldid=929851837</a>. So the site you referenced is not the original source of the text and seems like they copied the text from the page <a href="/wiki/Swami_Satyananda_Saraswati" class="mw-redirect" title="Swami Satyananda Saraswati">Swami Satyananda Saraswati</a>. Given the text originates on Wikipedia, it seems it would be ok from a copyright perspective to have it on the <a href="/wiki/Bihar_School_of_Yoga" title="Bihar School of Yoga">Bihar School of Yoga</a> page given that it is directly related to <a href="/wiki/Swami_Satyananda" class="mw-redirect" title="Swami Satyananda">Swami Satyananda</a>. What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:SourabhJ" title="User:SourabhJ">SourabhJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SourabhJ" title="User talk:SourabhJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-SourabhJ-20241116195400-Bihar_School_of_Yoga" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SourabhJ-20241116195400-Bihar_School_of_Yoga"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SourabhJ-20241116195400-Bihar_School_of_Yoga"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:SourabhJ" title="User:SourabhJ">SourabhJ</a> and thank you for discovering this. I have fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241116203900-SourabhJ-20241116195400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CopyPatrol_has_stopped" data-mw-thread-id="h-CopyPatrol_has_stopped-20241118041400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" 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.tracked-closure{color:black;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase}.mw-parser-output .tracked-resolved{color:green}</style><div role="note" class="tracked plainlinks mw-trackedTemplate">Tracked in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/" class="extiw" title="phabricator:">Phabricator</a><br/><span class="tracked-url"><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380140" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T380140"><span class="trakfab-T380140"> Task T380140</span></a></span><br/><span class="tracked-closure tracked-resolved">Resolved</span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241118041400-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"></span>I have filed a Phab ticket.--<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241118041400-CopyPatrol_has_stopped" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241118041400-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241118041400-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241118112000-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"></span>Resolved--<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241118112000-CopyPatrol_has_stopped" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241118112000-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241118112000-CopyPatrol_has_stopped"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_Copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_Copyright-20241118205200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_Copyright-20241118205200"></span>Question about Copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_Copyright-20241118205200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Question about Copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imteghren-20241118205200-Question_about_Copyright"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> I noticed your edit on the <b><a href="/wiki/1657_Ottoman_campaign_in_Palestine" title="1657 Ottoman campaign in Palestine">1657 Ottoman campaign in Palestine</a></b> recently. I had some question regarding this. I see all my edits on the 16th of November is slashed copyright. Saying the following; </p><p><i>content copied from https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft896nb5pc;chunk.id=0;doc.view=print</i> </p><p>What was the copyright violation specifically in this case so i can be more aware of it in the future? I remember quoting a specific historian his comment and using it as a direct source. And in the few instances of usage of this source I tried to reword its contents to avoid a situation of copyright. </p><p>Was the issue here my usage of this above book as a source itself? Or was it that my article text was considerd not differenciating enough from the original ? </p><p>I'd appreciate it and thank you in advance ! <a href="/wiki/User:Imteghren" title="User:Imteghren">Imteghren</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imteghren" title="User talk:Imteghren">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Imteghren-20241118205200-Question_about_Copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imteghren-20241118205200-Question_about_Copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imteghren-20241118205200-Question_about_Copyright"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200"></span>I have temporarily undone the reveision deletion so you can assess <a class="external text" href="https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1257750433&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublishing.cdlib.org%2Fucpressebooks%2Fview%3FdocId%3Dft896nb5pc%3Bchunk.id%3D0%3Bdoc.view%3Dprint">via Earwig's tool</a>. There was one passage marked as a quotation, but most of it was not. I didn't removed the "Legacy" section but I paraphrased and removed some so that it would better comply with our copyright policy. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241118210200-Imteghren-20241118205200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Signpost:_18_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234100"></span><i>The Signpost</i>: 18 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024-20241118234100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: The Signpost: 18 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><div style="column-count:2;"> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241118234100-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024"></span>News and notes: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_and_notes" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/News and notes">Open letter to WMF about court case breaks one thousand signatures, big arb case declined, U4C begins accepting cases</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In the media: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/In_the_media" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/In the media">Summons issued for Wikipedia editors by Indian court, "Gaza genocide" RfC close in news, old admin Gwern now big AI guy, and a "spectrum of reluctance" over Australian place names</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Recent research: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent_research" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/Recent research">SPINACH: AI help for asking Wikidata "challenging real-world questions"</a></li></ul> <ul><li>News from the WMF: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/News_from_the_WMF" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/News from the WMF">Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Endowment audit reports: FY 2023–2024</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Traffic report: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-18/Traffic_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-11-18/Traffic report">Well, let us share with you our knowledge, about the electoral college</a> </li></ul></div> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Read this Signpost in full</a></b> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2024-11-18" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2024-11-18">Single-page</a> * <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe">Unsubscribe</a> * <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241118234100-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241118234100-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241118234100-The_Signpost:_18_November_2024"></span> </div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241122100600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241122100600"></span>Notice of noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241122100600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Notice of noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1AmNobody24-20241122100600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard</a> regarding Wikizilla text on Wikipedia. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Wikizilla" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikizilla</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:1AmNobody24" title="User:1AmNobody24"><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;background-color: #4D4DFF;color: white">Nobody</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1AmNobody24" title="User talk:1AmNobody24"><span style="color: #4D4DFF">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-1AmNobody24-20241122100600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1AmNobody24-20241122100600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1AmNobody24-20241122100600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600"></span>Thanks, commented <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241122131300-1AmNobody24-20241122100600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos-20241122165300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos-20241122165300"></span>Possible Copyvio <a href="/wiki/Toronto_Downtown_Dingos" title="Toronto Downtown Dingos">Toronto Downtown Dingos</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos-20241122165300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Possible Copyvio Toronto Downtown Dingos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Woodlot-20241122165300-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos"></span>Hello Diannaa, <a class="external text" href="https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Toronto+Downtown+Dingos&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0">Earwig's Copyvio Detector</a> shows a high probability of potential copyright content in the 'History' section that was added August 7, 2024. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Woodlot" title="User:Woodlot">Woodlot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Woodlot" title="User talk:Woodlot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Woodlot-20241122165300-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Woodlot-20241122165300-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Woodlot-20241122165300-Possible_Copyvio_Toronto_Downtown_Dingos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300"></span>Cleaned. Thanks for the report. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241122202900-Woodlot-20241122165300"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Andreas_Papandreou" data-mw-thread-id="h-Andreas_Papandreou-20241122171200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Andreas_Papandreou-20241122171200"></span><a href="/wiki/Andreas_Papandreou" title="Andreas Papandreou">Andreas Papandreou</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Andreas_Papandreou-20241122171200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Andreas Papandreou"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.Cython-20241122171200-Andreas_Papandreou"></span>You removed much more than supposed/alleged copyrighted material and effectively derailed the effort to bring reliability to WP. Andreas Papandreou was a very polarizing figure, with fierce loyalists and critics. Before my changes, there was a misuse of references to the point of creation. Even now, there is still a lot of material that needs to be rewritten in order to bring it in alignment with printed sources. My effort was to organize any possible bibliography and be as faithful to the sources as possible to avoid biased interpretations (just check the changes made since <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andreas_Papandreou&diff=1258938280&oldid=1252800241">[1]</a>) If this faithfulness caused copyright concerns, please allow me to focus on these troubled sentences. I know that copyright is really bad, but having WP spreading untruths is just as bad, if not worse. Again, I apologize for the trouble, but I think this can be saved by concentrating on rewriting rather than deleting significant effort altogether.<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.Cython" title="User talk:A.Cython">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-A.Cython-20241122171200-Andreas_Papandreou" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.Cython-20241122171200-Andreas_Papandreou"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.Cython-20241122171200-Andreas_Papandreou"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> <i>seriously</i>?</dd> <dd>As long as you do not introduce any copyright errors and as long as you provide references, just sort it out. Please don;t hector other editors. No-one "<span style="color:purple">effectively derailed the effort to bring reliability to WP</span>" except those who put material that was inappropriate into the article the first place. Your tone is bordering on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCIVIL">WP:INCIVIL</a> and requires amelioration. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122171800-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800"></span>Again, I apologize; I am only trying to understand the action so that it is not repeated. Removing two whole sections (one of which had three subsections) based on numerous reliable sources for a few sentences of one source that I am still trying to pinpoint seemed excessive, especially in this controversial topic; strangely/coincidentally enough, the removed sections were also the most negative connotation of Andreas. I suspect that the administrators see this problem repeatedly, and at some point, you just apply the rules irrespectively to the situation; if this is the case, I understand this course of action. All I am asking is how to fix this issue and save the amount of work done, as I have never been accused of copyright violation. For example, do I reintroduce the (updated) text back to the main article, or do I need to do this on the talk page until I get the ok from the administrator? Is there a tool that I can use to spot the troubled material? How much can I change a sentence till it is not considered a copyright violation? I will not talk on this page here again; my intention was to get some feedback on how to resolve this situation. Again, I apologize. I meant no disrespect. <a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.Cython" title="User talk:A.Cython">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.Cython-20241122180700-Timtrent-20241122171800"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> This statement from you <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">How much can I change a sentence till it is not considered a copyright violation?</q> means you are trying to paste in copyrighted text and then adjust wording. This path is fraught with problems. This is considered a derivative work of a copyrighted source and result in close paraphrasing which is a copyright violation. I understand your desire to be faithful to what the source material states, but the best course of action is to write the material in your own words. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Whpq" title="User:Whpq">Whpq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whpq" title="User talk:Whpq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whpq-20241122183200-A.Cython-20241122180700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a>. I didn't actually remove any content at all; it's hidden behind the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Copyvio" title="Template:Copyvio">copyvio</a>}}</code> template. You can view the overlapping content <a class="external text" href="https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1258938280&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fepdf.pub%2Fmodern-greece-a-history-since-1821-a-new-history-of-modern-europe-nwme.html">using Earwig's tool</a>. The case has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_problems" title="Wikipedia:Copyright problems">Wikipedia:Copyright problems</a>, which gives you at a minimum one week to undertake a rewrite of the copied content. Sometimes I do the rewrite myself, but I don't have time right now to tackle such an extensive and complicated one, so sorry. Please carefully read the instructions already in place on your talk page and let me know when you're ready for me to review your work. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241122203800-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span>Thank you for your response, and I apologize again if I was out of line, it was not my intention. I do not want to cause a copyright violation or write something that is derivative from a source. If I did, it was because I wanted to stick to the events as closely as possible. Given that it involves events, there are not many ways that one can describe them, which is why I rely on multiple sources. Also, note that I am not a native speaker, which further limits my ability to rewrite the description of these events in my own words. Given the collaborative effort of WP, I would have expected that, in the short or long run, others would slowly and steadily overwrite what I have done. I have to admit that I take pride in my contribution, not in what I write, but in searching and collecting all the reliable sources that I can find because, in the long run, it helps other editors who are far more experienced than me to improve an article further. At least this was my experience when I started editing in WP 15 years ago with the article of <a href="/wiki/Eleftherios_Venizelos" title="Eleftherios Venizelos">Eleftherios Venizelos</a> (at that time, it did not even have sources <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eleftherios_Venizelos&oldid=191646376">[2]</a>). Obviously, I misstepped somewhere, or the times changed since it has been years since I was heavily involved in WP. Anyhow, I have already created a temporary page where I am working on rewriting the material in question. The copyright tool is of great help in spotting the issues; thank you. That is what I needed to understand the problem! Of course, any help is welcomed.<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.Cython" title="User talk:A.Cython">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.Cython-20241122213900-A.Cython-20241122171200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Two&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Two (page does not exist)">two</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> Be aware that you absolutely may not place copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia in order to work on it. If you have done so that is a grave error. I am not suggesting that you have done so. However, even in a transient manner it may not exist here. Everything <i>must be in your own words</i> at all ties unless material you use is onwardly licenced for you to use here. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122222000-A.Cython-20241122213900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Timtrent</a>, There's a special temporary page where items listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CP">WP:CP</a> can be worked on, and it's not unusual for there to be copyright material in place there temporarily while the corrections are underway. That's what A.Cython is doing. The temporary page gets deleted as soon as the reworked material is moved into mainspace. <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241122232000-Timtrent-20241122222000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:A.Cython" title="User:A.Cython">A.Cython</a> It's been my experience that many articles, even popular ones that are edited frequently, may contain material unchanged for years on end. So please don't assume that someone will intentionally or unintentionally repair your copyright violations. Everything you add to Wikipedia should be copyright compliant right from the start (except in your temp page for the purpose of copyright cleanup like you are doing now). <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20241122232400-A.Cython-20241122213900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from_individual_citations_(but_not_from_article_text?)_-_??" data-mw-thread-id="h-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from-20241124085200"><span id="Counterpoint_.28Radio_National.29_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_.28AND_more.29_from_individual_citations_.28but_not_from_article_text.3F.29_-_.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from-20241124085200"></span>Counterpoint (Radio National) - Mass-deletion of ALL quotations (AND more) from individual citations (but not from article text?) - ??<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from-20241124085200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Counterpoint (Radio National) - Mass-deletion of ALL quotations (AND more) from individual citations (but not from article text?) - ??"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluevista99-20241124085200-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from"></span>Firstly, thank you for your extraordinary work on this project; it is just remarkable & exemplary. Meanwhile, re your edit of 11/July/2024 <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Counterpoint_(Radio_National)&diff=prev&oldid=1233887936">here</a>, I hope you will accept my good-faith edit to restore the mass-deleted supporting quotations (and other supporting content) from the citations in this article. I originally included the quotations for the important dual purpose of simultaneously evidencing (I'm dubious about this neologism :-0) the legitimacy of the citation (& consequent article text), as well as providing a primary bulwark against link-rot, which I see as an appalling cancer attacking this project that must be tackled at every level. Unfortunately, the mass-deletion robs the article of all this. In addition, the mass-deletion also picked up some 'Editors notes' that I had written myself to further explain the relevance of the citations. So, since there is no edit summary to give a reason for the mass-deletion, am I correct in assuming that you see this as a copyright issue? Re this, if all these quotes were from the same source, it would be legitimate to view it as a possible copyright violation. However, all these quotes are from different sources and all are brief (& can be made briefer if absolutely necessary) so they are legitimate for inclusion in Wikipedia given the provisions for scholarly and study purposes that are allowed by both copyright law & Wikipedia policy. I note you left the quotation in the 5th section of the displayed article text, so there is general agreement here that quotations are legitimate & allowed. I hope we can continue to extend this to the important quotations and other content in the citations. Cheers! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bluevista99&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bluevista99 (page does not exist)">Bluevista99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluevista99" title="User talk:Bluevista99">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa#c-Bluevista99-20241124085200-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluevista99-20241124085200-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluevista99-20241124085200-Counterpoint_(Radio_National)_-_Mass-deletion_of_ALL_quotations_(AND_more)_from"></span> </p></div>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&oldid=1259280345">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diannaa&oldid=1259280345</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 November 2024, at 08:59<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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