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data-mw-comment-end="h-Welcome!-20240816133300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Welcome!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kvng-20240816133300-Welcome!"></span>Hi Susbush! I noticed <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Susbush" title="Special:Contributions/Susbush">your contributions</a> to <a href="/wiki/Compact_disc" title="Compact disc">Compact disc</a> and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. </p><p>As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful: </p><p><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction"><span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive" style="margin-left: 1.6em;">Learn more about editing</span></a></span> </p><p>Alternatively, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia">contributing to Wikipedia</a> page covers the same topics. </p><p>If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here: </p><p><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse"><span class="mw-ui-button" style="margin-left: 1.6em;">Get help at the Teahouse</span></a></span> </p><p>If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here: </p><p><span class="plainlinks clickbutton"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Task_Center" title="Wikipedia:Task Center"><span class="mw-ui-button" style="margin-left: 1.6em;">Volunteer at the Task Center</span></a></span> </p><p>Happy editing! ~<a href="/wiki/User:Kvng" title="User:Kvng">Kvng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kvng" title="User talk:Kvng">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Kvng-20240816133300-Welcome!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kvng-20240816133300-Welcome!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kvng-20240816133300-Welcome!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Usable_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Usable_references-20240822174600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usable_references-20240822174600"></span>Usable references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usable_references-20240822174600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Usable references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Reconrabbit-20240822174600-Usable_references"></span>Hello! I saw your change to <a href="/wiki/Synthetic_radioisotope" title="Synthetic radioisotope">synthetic radioisotope</a> on recent changes of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELEMENTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELEMENTS">WikiProject Elements</a>. I had to revert the change because the website used, Chemeurope encyclopedia, is a copy of Wikipedia. This means we would be citing ourselves. Other than that, I recommend to watch out for websites like Stackexchange that publish whatever a user writes without editorial control. Adding references is useful and a noble effort so keep up the great work otherwise!!! <a href="/wiki/User:Reconrabbit" title="User:Reconrabbit"><span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reconrabbit" title="User talk:Reconrabbit"><span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Reconrabbit-20240822174600-Usable_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reconrabbit-20240822174600-Usable_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reconrabbit-20240822174600-Usable_references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240822175200-Reconrabbit-20240822174600"></span>Ok, I'll try to find a different, more reliable website next time while citing. I add citations and expand short articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240822175200-Reconrabbit-20240822174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240822175200-Reconrabbit-20240822174600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240822175200-Reconrabbit-20240822174600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_and_copyright" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_and_copyright-20240825132800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_and_copyright-20240825132800"></span>Wikipedia and copyright<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_and_copyright-20240825132800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Wikipedia and copyright"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NotAGenious-20240825132800-Wikipedia_and_copyright"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Control copyright icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Control_copyright_icon.svg/30px-Control_copyright_icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="29" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Control_copyright_icon.svg/45px-Control_copyright_icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Control_copyright_icon.svg/60px-Control_copyright_icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="171" data-file-height="163"/></span></span> Hello Susbush! Your additions to <a href="/wiki/Curvature" title="Curvature">Curvature</a> have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights" title="Wikipedia:Copyrights">copyrighted</a> content without evidence that the source material is in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain" title="Wikipedia:Public domain">public domain</a> or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPLIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPLIC">suitably free and compatible</a> copyright license. (<i>To request such a release, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission" title="Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission">Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission</a></i>.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, it's important to understand and adhere to guidelines about using information from sources to prevent <a href="/wiki/Copyright" title="Copyright">copyright</a> and <a href="/wiki/Plagiarism" title="Plagiarism">plagiarism</a> issues. Here are the key points: </p> <ul><li><b>Limited quotation:</b> You may only copy or translate a <i>small</i> portion of a source. Any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Quotations" title="Wikipedia:Quotations">direct quotations</a> must be enclosed in double <a href="/wiki/Quotation_mark" title="Quotation mark">quotation marks</a> (") and properly cited using an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation" title="Wikipedia:Inline citation">inline citation</a>. More information is available on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Acceptable_use_of_text" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content">non-free content page</a>. To learn how to cite a source, see <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">Help:Referencing for beginners</a>.</li> <li><b>Paraphrasing:</b> Beyond limited quotations, you are required to put all information <i>in your own words</i>. Following the source's wording too closely can lead to <a href="/wiki/Derivative_work" title="Derivative work">copyright issues</a> and is not permitted; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing" title="Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing">Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing</a>. Even when paraphrasing, you must still <a href="/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners" title="Help:Referencing for beginners">cite your sources</a> as appropriate.</li> <li><b>Image use guidelines:</b> In most scenarios, only <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Licensing">freely licensed</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain" title="Wikipedia:Public domain">public domain</a> images may be used and these should be uploaded to our <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:First steps">sister project, Wikimedia Commons</a>. In some scenarios, non-freely copyrighted content can be used if they meet all ten of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria">non-free content criteria</a>; <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Plain_and_simple_non-free_content_guide" title="Wikipedia:Plain and simple non-free content guide">Wikipedia:Plain and simple non-free content guide</a> may help with determining a file's eligibility.</li> <li><b>Copyrighted material donation:</b> If <i>you</i> hold the copyright to the content you want to copy, or are a legally designated agent, you <i>may</i> be able to license the text for publication here. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials" title="Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials">Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials</a>.</li> <li><b>Copying and translation within Wikipedia:</b> Wikipedia articles can be copied or translated, however they must have proper attribution in accordance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia</a>. For translation, see <a href="/wiki/Help:Translation#License_requirements" title="Help:Translation">Help:Translation § License requirements</a>.</li></ul> <p>It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices. Persistent failure to comply may result in being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked</a> from editing. If you have any questions or need further clarification, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:NotAGenious" title="User:NotAGenious">NotAGenious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NotAGenious" title="User talk:NotAGenious">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-NotAGenious-20240825132800-Wikipedia_and_copyright" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NotAGenious-20240825132800-Wikipedia_and_copyright"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NotAGenious-20240825132800-Wikipedia_and_copyright"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241011132400-NotAGenious-20240825132800"></span>I've been warned for a copyright vio 2 times. Will I be blocked from editing? The copyright policy is very difficult to understand and follow. Literally the only solution I found that counteracts this policy, is to summarize any direct quotations rather than paraphrasing or direct unchanged quotations. I don't like the copyright policy, it's unfair and I don't understand why it's there. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241011132400-NotAGenious-20240825132800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241011132400-NotAGenious-20240825132800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241011132400-NotAGenious-20240825132800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2024-20240924185600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2024-20240924185600"></span>September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2024-20240924185600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: September 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20240924185600-September_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Copyright problem icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/30px-Copyright-problem.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="32" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/45px-Copyright-problem.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/60px-Copyright-problem.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="120"/></span></span> Your edit to <a href="/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation" title="Non-ionizing radiation">Non-ionizing radiation</a> has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights" title="Wikipedia:Copyrights">copyrighted</a> material to Wikipedia without evidence of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission" title="Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission">permission</a> from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials" title="Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials">Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials</a> for information on how to contribute your work appropriately. For legal reasons, Wikipedia strictly cannot host copyrighted text or images from print media or digital platforms without an appropriate and verifiable license. Contributions infringing on copyright will be removed. You may use external websites or publications as a source of <i>information</i>, but not as a source of <i>content</i>, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy <b>will be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a></b>. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_text_from_other_sources" title="Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources">Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources</a> for more information. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Diannaa-20240924185600-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20240924185600-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20240924185600-September_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240925015000-Diannaa-20240924185600"></span>Can I atleast copy a small amount from the source? <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240925015000-Diannaa-20240924185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240925015000-Diannaa-20240924185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240925015000-Diannaa-20240924185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XabqEfdg-20240925231000-Susbush-20240925015000"></span>No. If you must, quote. <a href="/wiki/User:XabqEfdg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:XabqEfdg">XabqEfdg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:XabqEfdg" title="User talk:XabqEfdg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-XabqEfdg-20240925231000-Susbush-20240925015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XabqEfdg-20240925231000-Susbush-20240925015000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XabqEfdg-20240925231000-Susbush-20240925015000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240926013100-XabqEfdg-20240925231000"></span>Paraphrasing? <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240926013100-XabqEfdg-20240925231000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240926013100-XabqEfdg-20240925231000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240926013100-XabqEfdg-20240925231000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20240926024300-Susbush-20240926013100"></span>Paraphrasing is not a good ides, as it tends to follow the source too closely. Summarize the material in your own words. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing" title="Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing">Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing</a> for details. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Diannaa-20240926024300-Susbush-20240926013100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20240926024300-Susbush-20240926013100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20240926024300-Susbush-20240926013100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240926113600-Diannaa-20240926024300"></span>I can't even paraphrase? Why? <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240926113600-Diannaa-20240926024300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240926113600-Diannaa-20240926024300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240926113600-Diannaa-20240926024300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Diannaa-20240926131200-Susbush-20240926113600"></span>it says in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing" title="Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing">Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing</a>: "Close paraphrasing without in-text attribution may constitute plagiarism, and when extensive (with or without in-text attribution) may also violate Wikipedia's copyright policy, which forbids Wikipedia contributors from copying an excessive amount of material directly from other sources." You should summarize rather than paraphrase. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Diannaa-20240926131200-Susbush-20240926113600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Diannaa-20240926131200-Susbush-20240926113600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Diannaa-20240926131200-Susbush-20240926113600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Diannaa-20240926131200"></span>Oh, I'll just summarize then. <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240926131500-Diannaa-20240926131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Diannaa-20240926131200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Diannaa-20240926131200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Susbush-20240926131500"></span>And write info in my own words. <a href="/wiki/User:Susbush" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Susbush">Susbush</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Susbush#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Susbush">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Susbush-20240926131500-Susbush-20240926131500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Susbush-20240926131500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Susbush-20240926131500-Susbush-20240926131500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results-20241006230300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results-20241006230300"></span>Cage Match is not reliable outside of match results<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results-20241006230300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Cage Match is not reliable outside of match results"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0-20241006230300-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results"></span>The content added to Delta used Cage Match for other information outside of match results. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PW/Sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PW/Sources">WP:PW/Sources</a> has Cage Match listed with restricted reliability. The information given falls outside that guideline. The other source is being reviewed for reliability. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0">2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0-20241006230300-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0-20241006230300-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:5130:2601:800B:B1C:E04B:33D0-20241006230300-Cage_Match_is_not_reliable_outside_of_match_results"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Direct_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Direct_link-20241007131000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Direct_link-20241007131000"></span>Direct link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Direct_link-20241007131000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Direct link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pierre_cb-20241007131000-Direct_link"></span>Please do not place redirection links when there is direct links as you did in the article <a href="/wiki/Radar" title="Radar">Radar</a>, this is inefficient and can leed to disambiguation pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Pierre_cb" title="User:Pierre cb">Pierre cb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pierre_cb" title="User talk:Pierre cb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Pierre_cb-20241007131000-Direct_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pierre_cb-20241007131000-Direct_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pierre_cb-20241007131000-Direct_link"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alleged_BLP_violations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alleged_BLP_violations-20241008113700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alleged_BLP_violations-20241008113700"></span>Alleged BLP violations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alleged_BLP_violations-20241008113700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Alleged BLP violations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241008113700-Alleged_BLP_violations"></span>There is nothing wrong with these edits that you reverted: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Baulcombe&diff=prev&oldid=1250052657">[1]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pranutan_Bahl&diff=prev&oldid=1250067322">[2]</a> and presumably others. If someone reverts you as I did asking "how?" the answer is not to revert again, but to explain why the edit is a BLP violation. As <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UV">WP:UV</a> explains, if you do not have a firm grasp of policy and you are using automated tools inappropriately, you will be blocked from editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Smartse-20241008113700-Alleged_BLP_violations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241008113700-Alleged_BLP_violations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241008113700-Alleged_BLP_violations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008113900-Smartse-20241008113700"></span>But it says "possible unreferenced addition to BLP". Sorry for the inconvenience. Apologizing for alleged BLP violations. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008113900-Smartse-20241008113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008113900-Smartse-20241008113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008113900-Smartse-20241008113700"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Electrou-20241008113900"></span>The critical part is <i><b>possible</b></i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Smartse-20241008114200-Electrou-20241008113900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Electrou-20241008113900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Electrou-20241008113900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008114200-Smartse-20241008113700"></span>I actually saw some citations. Apologies for the inconvenience. Self-reverting my edits soon. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008114200-Smartse-20241008113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008114200-Smartse-20241008113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008114200-Smartse-20241008113700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008124400-Smartse-20241008113700"></span>I reverted my edits. Sorry for the inconvenience. I assume good faith. Everyone makes mistakes like I do. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008124400-Smartse-20241008113700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008124400-Smartse-20241008113700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008124400-Smartse-20241008113700"></span></dd></dl> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Alleged_BLP_violations"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small> :<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:47.201.233.193&diff=prev&oldid=1250083940">This</a> is also very concerning and indicates that you do not understand what you are doing. Please stop using the tool right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Smartse-20241008114200-Alleged_BLP_violations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Alleged_BLP_violations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241008114200-Alleged_BLP_violations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008114400-Smartse-20241008114200"></span>Actually, I do understand. I'm reverting "unreferenced content". But I didn't realize it was actually sourced. Reverting the edit soon. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008114400-Smartse-20241008114200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008114400-Smartse-20241008114200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008114400-Smartse-20241008114200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008114500-Electrou-20241008114400"></span>I apologise, please don't block me from editing (or using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Ultraviolet" title="Wikipedia:Ultraviolet">UV</a> tool). There are plenty of times when I edit Wikipedia, that I just have no idea what I'm doing. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008114500-Electrou-20241008114400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008114500-Electrou-20241008114400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008114500-Electrou-20241008114400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008114700-Electrou-20241008114500"></span>Reverting the edits. Don't block me. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008114700-Electrou-20241008114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008114700-Electrou-20241008114500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008114700-Electrou-20241008114500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008115300-Electrou-20241008114700"></span>Ok, I reverted the edits. Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll make sure what I'm doing next time. Can I use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Ultraviolet" title="Wikipedia:Ultraviolet">UV</a> now? (Please don't block me from editing, I just thought it was a BLP vio) <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008115300-Electrou-20241008114700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008115300-Electrou-20241008114700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008115300-Electrou-20241008114700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smartse-20241008214200-Electrou-20241008115300"></span>Thanks for your note. May I suggest that if you don't know what you're doing, next time you ask at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TEAHOUSE">WP:TEAHOUSE</a> and someone will advise you. Can you explain briefly what BLP violations and vandalism mean? How can you distinguish a good edit from a bad one? <a href="/wiki/User:Smartse" title="User:Smartse">SmartSE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smartse" title="User talk:Smartse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Smartse-20241008214200-Electrou-20241008115300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smartse-20241008214200-Electrou-20241008115300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smartse-20241008214200-Electrou-20241008115300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241009071800-Smartse-20241008214200"></span>Vandalism is destroying the purpose of Wikipedia. (e.g. adding nonsense), A BLP vio is adding unreferenced content about biographies of living (or recently deceased) people. Wikipedia's purpose is to provide encyclopedic content. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, not a tabloid, not an advertisement, not a book. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241009071800-Smartse-20241008214200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241009071800-Smartse-20241008214200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241009071800-Smartse-20241008214200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241009072100-Smartse-20241008214200"></span>And when I edit, I'll thoroughly check the edit. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241009072100-Smartse-20241008214200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241009072100-Smartse-20241008214200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241009072100-Smartse-20241008214200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi...-20241008155800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi...-20241008155800"></span>Hi...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi...-20241008155800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Hi..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-73.110.70.231-20241008155800-Hi..."></span>your recent post regarding editing from this IP address is incorrect, and appears to be a response, simply to a bot report. None of the editing in question involved improper posting of content, or improper use of sources. Indeed, the entire motivation is to complete Reflist entries with regard to bibliographic content (fix the many dead links, add authors, etc.), and to check WP article content to the sources to ensure they comply with WP:VERIFY. You will find that all of the edits were constructive, and are WP:VERIFY, BLP, etc. compliant. Moreover, you will find that the article now is much more trustworthy (though not yet entirely trustworthy) with regard to the sources that appear. Indeed, if you open the form of the article before we started, and the latest—don't do a diff, it will be too confusing—and compare the before and after, focusing on, e.g., the Reflist, the Honours section, and the lead, you will see the full evidence of this. </p><p>The reasons that the bots have responded, is that some entirely improper sources have been either <i>hidden or moved</i>—in the latter case, <i>moved</i> (e.g., to External links or Further reading), if <i>they are improper where presented, but nevertheless contain useful content</i>, and in the former case, <i>hidden</i>, if they are <i>entirely improper and without perceivable merit</i> (appearing at a point in the text entirely unrelated to any content they contain, and furthermore, with another egregous problem, e.g., that they are dead and untraceable). For an example of this, see/read the content of reference number [13], which was not removed despite being problematic. </p><p>You will also note between the before and after that the many issues of the article were tagged. This is inevitable, because as sources are checked, and found to have been mistakenly placed (e.g., a single end of paragraph citation that does not cover any or all of the content in the paragraph), it becomes necessary to annotate the unsourced content. But you will also note, if you spot check the article versions between the first and the last, that we are in the process of placing citations, so tags can be removed—for instance in the Honours section, which had less than half of its entries with citations when we started (as well as duplicated entries, inconsistent formats, etc.). Each cycle of our work, a greater percentage of that and other unsourced material is sourced, the text edited to reflect the content of the source found, and the tag annotating the problem removed. </p><p>All of this is to say, the revisions of the biography of this esteemed scientist, by these longstanding WP editors, have been careful, scholarly, and compliant with both spirit and letter of WP policies and guidelines. If the bots object, it is because they are imperfect, and cannot discern nuance. If the article appears to have its blemishes highlighted, it is because those blemishes need attention in order to heal. </p><p>Cheers, some former logging editors (and former faculty). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.110.70.231" title="Special:Contributions/73.110.70.231">73.110.70.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:73.110.70.231" title="User talk:73.110.70.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-73.110.70.231-20241008155800-Hi..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-73.110.70.231-20241008155800-Hi..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-73.110.70.231-20241008155800-Hi..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241008161800-73.110.70.231-20241008155800"></span>WTF, that text is lengthy, please summarize it <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241008161800-73.110.70.231-20241008155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241008161800-73.110.70.231-20241008155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241008161800-73.110.70.231-20241008155800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-73.110.70.231-20241008163000-Electrou-20241008161800"></span>We read and write books, to teach and edit and produce scholarship, to allow us to edit here. Reading brings comprehension and depth of understanding. This is on point, and not TL;DR. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.110.70.231" title="Special:Contributions/73.110.70.231">73.110.70.231</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:73.110.70.231" title="User talk:73.110.70.231">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-73.110.70.231-20241008163000-Electrou-20241008161800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-73.110.70.231-20241008163000-Electrou-20241008161800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-73.110.70.231-20241008163000-Electrou-20241008161800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241011162700-73.110.70.231-20241008163000"></span>Also, what are you doing on my talk page? <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241011162700-73.110.70.231-20241008163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241011162700-73.110.70.231-20241008163000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241011162700-73.110.70.231-20241008163000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uncertain_about_MOS_support" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uncertain_about_MOS_support-20241013042500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uncertain_about_MOS_support-20241013042500"></span>Uncertain about MOS support<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uncertain_about_MOS_support-20241013042500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Uncertain about MOS support"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241013042500-Uncertain_about_MOS_support"></span>You have made a bunch of edits cited to the top-level <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">Manual of Style</a>, in which I cannot find support for your changes. Could you please point to the specific location in it for each of these: </p> <ol><li>Change ISBN formatting, such as converting a simple string of digits by inserting hyphens. There was a major RFC about this issue, with a conclusion of "no consensus" that any style is better. Instead, it is more like a personal preference, so it's likely to become an edit-war if every editor keeps switching to their personal preference.</li> <li>Switching from "last2...last2...last3..." to "last...last2...last3...". The template examples I see generally use the 1/2/3, and it's obviously clearer about the meaning, to number the first</li> <li>Including "s" in the piped-link text itself rather than outside for auto-linking. I see specific guidance that it's preferred to have it outside when the link is unpiped, and examples demonstrating that it works fine when it's outside, but cannot find a consensus preference for it to be inside.</li></ol> <p><a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-DMacks-20241013042500-Uncertain_about_MOS_support" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241013042500-Uncertain_about_MOS_support"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241013042500-Uncertain_about_MOS_support"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241013104200-DMacks-20241013042500"></span>too weird, didn't understand <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241013104200-DMacks-20241013042500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241013104200-DMacks-20241013042500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241013104200-DMacks-20241013042500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241013104500-Electrou-20241013104200"></span>I invented a new slang: TW;DU (too weird; didn't understand) <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241013104500-Electrou-20241013104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241013104500-Electrou-20241013104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241013104500-Electrou-20241013104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241014002300-Electrou-20241013104500"></span>If you cannot understand what "Change ISBN formatting" means, when you made numerous edits that changed the formatting of ISBN, you should stop editing. You are responsible for your edits. Here, I will spell out some of it with examples. Look at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C_(programming_language)&diff=prev&oldid=1250929492">this</a>. See where you changed the "isbn="? Do not do that at all. In that same edit, see where you changed "[[pointer (computer programming)|pointer]]s" to "[[pointer (computer programming)|pointers]]"? Do not do that without explaining why. See where you removed the "<span class=..."? Do not do that. It breaks other pages that link to it. In your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ES">edit summaries</a>, you said you were following the "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">Manual of Style</a>". State where in the manual of style your ideas come from. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-DMacks-20241014002300-Electrou-20241013104500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241014002300-Electrou-20241013104500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241014002300-Electrou-20241013104500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241014062700-DMacks-20241014002300"></span>It's just <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoFormatter" title="Wikipedia:AutoFormatter">AutoFormatter</a> <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241014062700-DMacks-20241014002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241014062700-DMacks-20241014002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241014062700-DMacks-20241014002300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241014063000-DMacks-20241014002300"></span>I was trying to improve an article, but it was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DE">disruptive editing</a>. Sorry for the inconvenience, reverting the edits. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241014063000-DMacks-20241014002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241014063000-DMacks-20241014002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241014063000-DMacks-20241014002300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241014063100-DMacks-20241014002300"></span>Don't block me from editing <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241014063100-DMacks-20241014002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241014063100-DMacks-20241014002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241014063100-DMacks-20241014002300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241014063400-DMacks-20241014002300"></span>Just like the template <a href="/wiki/Template:Tool_warning" title="Template:Tool warning">tool warning</a>, you must read and understand what your doing while editing, or you risk losing access to the tool, or even <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a>. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241014063400-DMacks-20241014002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241014063400-DMacks-20241014002300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241014063400-DMacks-20241014002300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2024-20241018114900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2024-20241018114900"></span>October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2024-20241018114900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900-October_2024"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are expected to treat each other with respect and civility. On this encyclopedia project, editors <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">assume good faith</a> while interacting with other editors. Here is Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee/Welcome_to_Wikipedia" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia">welcome page</a>, and it is hoped that you will assume the good faith of other editors and continue to help us improve Wikipedia! Thank you very much! <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900-October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900-October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900-October_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241018121200-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">AirshipJungleman29</a> Wait, I don't understand what this notice means.... <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241018121200-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241018121200-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241018121200-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241018121700-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span>Nvm, I didn't assume good faith. I think I accidentally did rude behaviour. <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241018121700-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241018121700-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241018121700-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241019013300-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">AirshipJungleman29</a> Can I get a more detailed message? <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241019013300-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241019013300-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241019013300-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019100400-Electrou-20241019013300"></span>Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">this page</a>, all the details you need are there. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019100400-Electrou-20241019013300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019100400-Electrou-20241019013300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20241019100400-Electrou-20241019013300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Electrou-20241020050600-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span>Why did I get this notice? <span style="color:#183669"><a href="/wiki/User:Electrou" title="User:Electrou">Electrou (formerly Susbush)</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-Electrou-20241020050600-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Electrou-20241020050600-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Electrou-20241020050600-AirshipJungleman29-20241018114900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Leet_moment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Leet_moment-20241021075000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Leet_moment-20241021075000"></span>Leet moment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Leet_moment-20241021075000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Leet moment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.89.66.133-20241021075000-Leet_moment"></span>Thanks for pointing out Arabeezi doesn'7 coun7 as someth1n6 51/\/\1L4r to 1337. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133" title="Special:Contributions/81.89.66.133">81.89.66.133</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:81.89.66.133" title="User talk:81.89.66.133">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrou#c-81.89.66.133-20241021075000-Leet_moment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.89.66.133-20241021075000-Leet_moment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.89.66.133-20241021075000-Leet_moment"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Frances_K._Hutchinson_Medal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Frances_K._Hutchinson_Medal-20241026140800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Frances_K._Hutchinson_Medal-20241026140800"></span><a href="/wiki/Frances_K._Hutchinson_Medal" title="Frances K. Hutchinson Medal">Frances K. Hutchinson Medal</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Frances_K._Hutchinson_Medal-20241026140800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Electrou&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Frances K. 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