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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVN">WP:NPOVN</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-your_question_at_WP:NPOVN-2011-09-27T14:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: your question at WP:NPOVN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jesanj-2011-09-27T14:14:00.000Z-your_question_at_WP:NPOVN"></span>Well, here's mine perspective (but I had seen this thread and I thought AndyTheGrump's answer was a good one so I didn't bother piling on). You say "Thus if I stepped on a rattlesnake, got bit and got sick from it i would be banned from advising others on Wikipedia to refrain from stepping on rattlesnakes." That's right. As much as you may not want Wikipedia to work that way, we need things to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. </p><p>In one way this avoids silly fights. Imagine a person who was bitten by a rattlesnake at the time their cancer was receding. They might go on an online mission to spread the good news that rattlesnake bites cure cancer. You might come into conflict with them, because you want to warn people of the dangers. But really, we are here to only represent what published sources say. It's a form of summarizing and reflecting "the literature". It's a form of scholarship, if it helps you. We don't engage in our own <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a>, but we grow thanks to others' work. I hope that helps. <a href="/wiki/User:Jesanj" title="User:Jesanj">Jesanj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jesanj" title="User talk:Jesanj">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Jesanj-2011-09-27T14:14:00.000Z-your_question_at_WP:NPOVN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jesanj-2011-09-27T14:14:00.000Z-your_question_at_WP:NPOVN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jesanj-2011-09-27T14:14:00.000Z-your_question_at_WP:NPOVN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reply" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reply-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reply-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Reply<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reply-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Reply"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z-Reply"></span>Arydberg, I saw your message at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Aspartame_controversy" title="Talk:Aspartame controversy">Talk:Aspartame controversy</a>. Because I think the discussion is increasingly off-topic, I will try to answer each of your queries as best I can in this space... </p> <blockquote><blockquote><p>Scientizzle, </p><p>Thanks for the review of my sources. I would like to point out that it is to be expected that the industry will publish attempts to downplay any article which is critical of aspartame. Thus it is not surprising that reviews can be found that dispute allegations against aspartame. To be swayed by these reviews runs the risk of ignoring potential harm to public health. Once again if you are comfortable in doing this it is your choice. For me, given the choice between loosing a sweetener vs harming </p><p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p><p>public health I would choose to protect public health. Do you think I am in error here? </p><p><br/> </p><p><br/> Here are some more sources that say aspartame causes a: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.aspx?docID=649733%20">Increased chance of stroke</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3319565">and here</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21138816">and weight gain</a> The point I am trying to make is that the “aspartame controversy” exists in the research literature as well as in the fringe press. I think this should be reported. WP:MEDRS, “Do not reject a high-quality type of study due to personal objections to the study's inclusion criteria, references, funding sources, or conclusions.” Please be aware of the success the cigarette industry had in promoting the “safety” of smoking for decades before the truth got out. Also could you please tell me how does one go about finding reviews of an article? </p> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) 13:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)</p></blockquote></blockquote> <ul><li>While industry publications, broadly speaking, do have a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0040005">propensity</a> for bias in favor of their product(s), to assume any given review is therefore unacceptably biased due to its authorship and/or funding is to commit the <a href="/wiki/Ecological_fallacy" title="Ecological fallacy">ecological fallacy</a>. (See also, in contrast, <a href="/wiki/White_hat_bias" title="White hat bias">White hat bias</a> and PMID 19949416.) I personally take industry publications with a healthy dose of salt, but they cannot and should not be ignored. I should also note that the four reviews I noted in response to your prior comment (PMID 20078374, PMID 19778754, PMID 20308626, PMID 20060008) are all from academic labs (click on the four links and you can see the primary author affiliations). Please remember: the ability to <i>imagine</i> conspiratory forces that would explain away a given claim is not actually evidence against that claim nor of something underhanded.</li> <li>You are asserting that the argument is "a sweetener vs harming public health"; this is the <a href="/wiki/Precautionary_principle" title="Precautionary principle">precautionary principle</a> twisted into a <a href="/wiki/False_dichotomy" class="mw-redirect" title="False dichotomy">false dichotomy</a>. Based on this faulty reasoning alone, yes, I do think you are in error here. It is simply not an honest assessment of the situation.</li> <li>There are some active disagreements in the relevant primary and secondary scientific literature. That <i>is</i> true. What is also true is that lay web sources (particularly & egregiously rense.com and other conspiracy sites) often <i>at a minimum</i> completely misunderstand the science they claim to present and some actively mislead and fabricate in order to support their positions. It's almost impossible to argue against those in a conspiracy theory mindset--any evidence countering the theorist's position is taken as part of the conspiracy--so I'll offer at least one sanguine piece of advice: conspiracy theorists have a piss-poor track record of uncovering any actual danger. Conspiracy theorists never said anything about the dangers of tobacco or climate change or laetrile or Vioxx; if aspartame is actually poisonous, it's the scientists that will find it.</li> <li>The links you provided are repeats from your previous comments and criticisms against their inclusion still stand. Do not ignore the parts of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> that are inconvenient for <i>your</i> particular motivations. Namely, in a field well-populated with research and with a demonstrable mainstream scientific opinion, scientific/medical information must be presented through secondary sources (reviews & meta-analyses) and "individual primary sources should not be cited or juxtaposed so as to 'debunk' or contradict the conclusions of reliable secondary sources".</li> <li>What is that demonstrable mainstream opinion? The overwhelming approval of aspartame by government regulatory agencies, health agencies and general lack of widespread concern in the scientific literature; aspartame is generally regarded as safe by relevant knowledgeable professionals. Therefore, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a> everything that should be presented on <a href="/wiki/Aspartame_controversy" title="Aspartame controversy">Aspartame controversy</a> needs to properly reflect the divergence from this position as reflected in only the highest-quality sources. Those "divergences" must also be discussed in sources of a reputable nature in order to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">"notable"</a> enough for inclusion and for a properly balanced discussion.</li> <li>Finding secondary sources is not difficult, but properly evaluating and incorporating them can be tricky. I'm a scientist at a research institution with extensive access to journals indexed in <a href="/wiki/PubMed" title="PubMed">PubMed</a>, which is where one should search. PubMed is a decent <a href="/wiki/High_pass_filter" class="mw-redirect" title="High pass filter">high pass filter</a> for some level of editorial respectability but a lot of crap still gets through; Google Scholar can be a wasteland of faked peer review and limited quality control. (However, GS does have the advantage of giving you easy links to other works citing one of your hits.) In PubMed, you can filter for reviews only, which is the simplest way of finding relevant secondary sources for Wikipedia. If you can't access a given journal article, local universities may be able to provide them for free or a nominal charge; many Wikipedia editors are willing to email .pdf copies, too.</li></ul> <p>All that said, it seems increasingly likely to me that you'll get topic banned from aspartame (etc.) again...my appraisal of your edits since the last topic ban ended is that you're too often on the wrong side of many Wikipedia policies & guidelines. Specifically, your edits are advocacy-based (Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOAP">not for advocacy</a>, or for revealing the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRUTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRUTH">"The Truth"</a>) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">needlessly</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HORSE" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:HORSE">repetitious</a>. You've made some strides in understanding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a>, but it seems you're not presently willing to work within that framework...I'd prefer to be proven wrong. — <a href="/wiki/User:Scientizzle" title="User:Scientizzle">Scien</a><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scientizzle" title="User talk:Scientizzle">tizzle</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z-Reply" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z-Reply"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z-Reply"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BullRangifer-2011-10-20T00:41:00.000Z-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Scientizzle, I am truly impressed with your excellent explanations above. Of course an understanding of this is basic stuff for scientists, but few are able to present it so plainly and simply. You're good at it. Thanks for doing Arydberg, and the rest of the community, such a service. It's appreciated. -- <a href="/wiki/User:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BullRangifer">Brangifer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BullRangifer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-BullRangifer-2011-10-20T00:41:00.000Z-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BullRangifer-2011-10-20T00:41:00.000Z-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BullRangifer-2011-10-20T00:41:00.000Z-Scientizzle-2011-10-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Topic_ban_renewed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Topic_ban_renewed-2011-10-19T22:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Topic_ban_renewed-2011-10-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span>Topic ban renewed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Topic_ban_renewed-2011-10-19T22:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Topic ban renewed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2011-10-19T22:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban_renewed"></span>I find that your recent conduct on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Aspartame_controversy" title="Talk:Aspartame controversy">Talk:Aspartame controversy</a> page and related discussions you have resumed the same disruptive behaviour that you were topic-banned for earlier this year. In particular, with edits like these <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aspartame_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=455684464">[1]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aspartame_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=456350981">[2]</a> you have resumed overt soapboxing, trying to instrumentalize Wikipedia to promote your own political stance over the Aspartame issue, as opposed to discussing how best to improve the article. </p><p>I am therefore renewing the earlier topic ban, for a period of <b>one year</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User:Future Perfect at Sunrise">Fut.Perf.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise">☼</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2011-10-19T22:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban_renewed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 19 October 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<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>" data-mw-thread-id="h-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z"><span id=".3C_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg.3E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z"></span>< one year topic ban of arydberg><span data-mw-comment-end="h-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: < one year topic ban of arydberg>"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span>Initiated by </b> <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <b>at</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2011-11-01T10:07:00.000Z-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Involved_parties" 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data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_{Party_1}-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"><span id="Statement_by_.7BParty_1.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_{Party_1}-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span>Statement by {Party 1}<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statement_by_{Party_1}-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Statement by {Party 1}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Statement_by_{Party_2}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statement_by_{Party_2}-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"><span id="Statement_by_.7BParty_2.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statement_by_{Party_2}-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span>Statement by {Party 2}<span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Clerk_notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Clerk_notes-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Clerk_notes-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span>Clerk notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Clerk_notes-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Clerk notes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i>This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_(0/0/0/0)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_(0/0/0/0)-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"><span id="Arbitrators.27_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_.280.2F0.2F0.2F0.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_(0/0/0/0)-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span>Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arbitrators'_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_(0/0/0/0)-<_one_year_topic_ban_of_arydberg>"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <p>I would like to contest my being banned for a second time from the topic “aspartame controversy. I really believe aspartame is harmful AND I can furnish peer reviewed journal articles that support this assertion but I am not only prevented from arguing this by being banned without warning for a second time but my postings have been deleted. None of what i said was impolite. Wikipedia is the voice of the aspartame industry and will not tolerate anyone that disagrees with their mantra that aspartame is not unhealthy. People that disagree are simply not allowed to post anything and their material is removed. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Response_to_your_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Response_to_your_question-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Response_to_your_question-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z"></span>Response to your question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Response_to_your_question-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Response to your question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hajatvrc-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z-Response_to_your_question"></span>Just a note that I have responded to your question at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#banned" title="Wikipedia:Help desk">Wikipedia:Help desk#banned</a>. Hope I can help. <b>Happy editing, <a href="/wiki/User:Hajatvrc" title="User:Hajatvrc"><span style="color:purple">hajat</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hajatvrc" title="User talk:Hajatvrc"><span style="color:green">vrc</span></a> with WikiLove</b> @ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Hajatvrc-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z-Response_to_your_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hajatvrc-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z-Response_to_your_question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hajatvrc-2012-07-06T18:17:00.000Z-Response_to_your_question"></span> </p><p><br/> Thanks for the reply. You are probably right about Pat Robertson. My feelings are that a page titled controversy should tell both sides and there is a very real dark side to the aspartame story which is in the public record. If you choose not to tell it, that is your ( and wikipedia's) choice. </p><p>Now I understand that my being banned is not a 3 month stint or a 1 year stint. It is permanent to be imposed anytime what I say is not agreed with by the ruling few. This is what I wanted to check on. </p><p>"The worst evil is not done by getting evil people to act in concert. It is done by convincing good people to forsake established principle to promote ideas that seem right at the time. " </p><p>Al </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?" data-mw-thread-id="h-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z"><span id="where_am_i.3F_what_am_i.3F_can_i_post.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span>where am i? what am i? can i post?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: where am i? what am i? can i post?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span>I was told that i would not be banned if i was did not attack other editors. This was not true and i was banned for 3 months. When 3 months was over i assumed the ban was over. It was not. I was then banned for one year with no opportunity to defend myself at all. Now that is over. what will be the next ban? will i have any opportunity to defend myself from it. I assume not. Is my only option to confess to a belief system that is imposed on me. ie that aspartame is really good for me that i should consume it with no regard for health problems. That anything else makes me a heratic and subject to indefinite banning. Please help. </p><p><br/> I would like to suggest that when people are topic banned they be told that the length of the ban can be extended without limit and there will be no opportunity for the person to dispute the charges against them. Without this, the assumption is that when the ban is over they can at least try to be heard, and of course they can not. ( There is always the chance they have a valid point) </p> <dl><dd>You are banned from articles relating to aspartame. Feel free to edit anywhere else so long as you follow WP policy. No one is telling you to consume aspartame, I submit that no one here cares what you eat or drink and isn't the slightest bit interested in your personal thoughts about aspartame. We have millions of articles not related to aspartame so edit those and have fun, just don't try to push your personal beliefs on the pedia'. <a href="/wiki/User:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Saedon"><span style="color:#000000;">Sædon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Saedon"><sup style="color:#000000;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Saedon-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 12 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T11:51:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T13:42:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span> The ban is over. I am afraid if i say anything i will be re-banned with no recourse. </p> <dl><dd>Right you are; time flies. Well, here's my advice: go read over all the things you said on the aspartame talk pages and don't repeat what you used to say. If you start POV pushing again then yea, you'll probably be rebanned in short order. Even though your ban expired you should probably just avoid the subject as you've shown in the past that you're unable to work there constructively. Seriously, we have millions of articles, have fun. <a href="/wiki/User:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Saedon"><span style="color:#000000;">Sædon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Saedon"><sup style="color:#000000;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Saedon-2012-12-12T13:42:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 12 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T13:42:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saedon-2012-12-12T13:42:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span>Thanks for your response. It is appreciated. The problem is that I really believe that this stuff is no good. Furthermore I believe Wikipedia is being used by the aspartame industry. That is the only conclusion I can come to after noticing the quick response to all of my postings regardless of time of day or night and the same people over long periods of time. </p><p>Congress is known to use Wikipedia to update themselves. That is why what Wikipedia is doing is really wrong. They are (probably unwittingly) campaigning to push a product that truly damages the public health. Wikipedia’s conclusion, that it is healthy, is based on very poor and dated sources. </p><p>The situation is not unlike the tobacco industry of a few years ago but tobacco is only sold to adults. Diet soda is used by kids. It is all just too outrageous for me. </p><p>Of course perhaps I am wrong but given the public record of criminal charges that the government tried to bring against the people that got aspartame approved and their methods of avoiding prosecution it appears unlikely. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z-where_am_i?_what_am_i?_can_i_post?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saedon-2012-12-13T14:16:00.000Z-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z"></span>You are welcome to your beliefs but WP does not exist to serve as a platform for those beliefs. You're well aware of this. <a href="/wiki/User:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Saedon"><span style="color:#000000;">Sædon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Saedon"><sup style="color:#000000;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Saedon-2012-12-13T14:16:00.000Z-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saedon-2012-12-13T14:16:00.000Z-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saedon-2012-12-13T14:16:00.000Z-Arydberg-2012-12-13T12:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p><p>You really do not understand. You have a responsibility to public health. You try to maintain this by demanding secondary sources etc but in this case you have chosen to error on the side of risk rather than the side of safety. It is impossible to prove anything safe. Yet you imply that aspartame is safe. All you know is some studies show no harm from certain dosages and other have been discredited for alleged errors. Your habit of using industry sponsored research is extremely suspect. Anyone who is familiar with aspartame knows it's addictive quality but you totally ignore it. What you are doing ( presumedly in good faith) is wrong on a very basic level. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_recent_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_recent_edits-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_recent_edits-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z"></span>Your recent edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_recent_edits-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Your recent edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SineBot-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></span></span> Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Talk page">talk pages</a> and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">sign your posts</a> by typing four <a href="/wiki/Tilde" title="Tilde">tildes</a> ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_sign_your_posts" title="Wikipedia:How to sign your posts"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Insert-signature.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="22" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> or <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_sign_your_posts" title="Wikipedia:How to sign your posts"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Button_sig.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="22" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="23" data-file-height="22"/></a></span> located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:SineBot" title="User:SineBot">SineBot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SineBot" title="User talk:SineBot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-SineBot-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SineBot-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SineBot-2013-01-17T01:56:00.000Z-Your_recent_edits"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="policy" data-mw-thread-id="h-policy-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-policy-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"></span>policy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-policy-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: policy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z-policy"></span>Hello, </p><p><span class="nowrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Admin_help" title="Template:Admin help">admin help</a>}}</span> I have been banned from aspartame controversy twice. First for 3 months and then for 1 year. The second time i had no chance to defend myself. Can this happen again at the whim of someone? I would really like to know. I'm not complaining about being banned. I am complaining about having no chance to defend myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z-policy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T10:27:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"></span>No, you are not banned at someone's whim, but because after your first ban you returned to the same behaviour. You can appeal at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a>, and the ban can be lifted or shortened if there is a consensus there; but first, read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOAP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOAP">Wikipedia is not a soapbox</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RIGHTGREATWRONGS">WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS</a>, because you will need to explain what sort of edits relating to Aspartame you want to do, and the ban is unlikely to be lifted in order to allow you to return to pushing the same ideas. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnCD" title="User:JohnCD">JohnCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD" title="User talk:JohnCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T10:27:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T10:27:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T10:27:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z-policy"></span>Both bans have expired. I believe i should have had some chance to defend myself for the 2nd ban. I am learning but your policy of allowing me to be re-banned with no discussion seems draconian. Am I wrong. I am not contesting being banned i am contesting being banned with out the chance to defend myself. Can it happen again.<a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z-policy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T11:51:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Yes, it may happen again, but there is always an avenue of appeal: <ul><li>Against a topic ban, if you are not blocked, at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a></li> <li>If you are blocked, you can use template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> on your talk page</li> <li>If talk page access is revoked, there is the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblock_Ticket_Request_System" title="Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System">Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System</a></li> <li>In the last resort, email to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Ban_Appeals_Subcommittee" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Ban Appeals Subcommittee">Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Ban Appeals Subcommittee</a>.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:JohnCD" title="User:JohnCD">JohnCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD" title="User talk:JohnCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T11:51:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T11:51:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnCD-2013-01-17T11:51:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-17T10:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z-policy"></span>Just to be clear on this in the event of an attempted reinstated ban is it true that I will have absolutely no chance to defend myself? <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z-policy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T19:43:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but it'll be after you're blocked. You have been told <b>many many</b> times that you are topic banned from the Aspertame (sp) controversy. If you edit anything, <i>anything at all</i> relating to that, <b>any</b> administrator can and will block you. Then you can use the unblock template, UTRS and ArbCom to appeal. If you don't want to be blocked, don't edit anything in that area. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T19:43:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 22 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T19:43:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T19:43:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T17:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z-policy"></span>But both bans have expired. Will I still be automatically be blocked with no recourse? <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z-policy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T22:35:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z"></span>Theoretically, the topic ban resets every time you are blocked. Leaving during the topic ban doesn't allow you to just come back at the end of it and edit at your will. You'll still be being watched, as you are now. If you return to that topic, expect a longer ban, and a probable block. It seems clear to me now that your only intent is to edit about the Aspartame issue, and you've been told that you are editing against <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">consensus</a> many many times. If you continue, you may be blocked indefinitally. Seriously, stop. You're free to edit as many other articles you want, just nothing relating to the Aspartame issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T22:35:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T22:35:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-22T22:35:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-22T22:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-23T02:24:00.000Z-policy"></span>Can I dispute the ban now? </p> <dl><dd>Nobody's stopping you. You need to go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> and follow the instructions there. However, I can almost guarantee you that after your blatant actions leading to the ban, and your actions now after you've come back to editing, you are <b>highly unlikely to get it revoked</b>. Just stop editing in that area. It's not the end of the world. Also, please know that your edits in the past were in violation of <b>many many policies</b>, including but not limited to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">WP:UNDUE</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FRINGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FRINGE">WP:FRINGE</a> among others. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-01-23T02:24:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-23T02:24:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-23T02:24:00.000Z-policy"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-23T12:43:00.000Z-policy"></span>BTW I am with the CONSENSUS view. The problem is people that agree with me come and go one or two at a time. They are sent away by the outrightly mean tactics of a few who dominate that site. Also as soon at two people agree they are accused of plotting together as recently happened. Also thanks for your help. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-23T12:43:00.000Z-policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-23T12:43:00.000Z-policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-23T12:43:00.000Z-policy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Use_talk_page_appropriately" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_talk_page_appropriately-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Use_talk_page_appropriately-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z"></span>Use talk page appropriately<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Use_talk_page_appropriately-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Use talk page appropriately"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novangelis-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z-Use_talk_page_appropriately"></span>Thread your posts properly: <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages#Indentation" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">Help:Using talk pages#Indentation</a>.</li> <li>Fanciful interpretations (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>) of primary studies (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PSTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PSTS">WP:PSTS</a>) are worthless.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STICK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STICK">Repeating yourself</a> does not improve a worthless argument.</li></ol> <p>If you cannot <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPG">use talk pages appropriately</a>, then stay off of them.<a href="/wiki/User:Novangelis" title="User:Novangelis">Novangelis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novangelis" title="User talk:Novangelis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Novangelis-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z-Use_talk_page_appropriately" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novangelis-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z-Use_talk_page_appropriately"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novangelis-2013-01-21T03:09:00.000Z-Use_talk_page_appropriately"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI_notification" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI_notification-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI_notification-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z"></span>ANI notification<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI_notification-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: ANI notification"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndyTheGrump-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z-ANI_notification"></span>Hello. There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. </p><p>Since I have mentioned your name in the discussion, it is appropriate that you be notified. <a href="/wiki/User:AndyTheGrump" title="User:AndyTheGrump">AndyTheGrump</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AndyTheGrump" title="User talk:AndyTheGrump">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-AndyTheGrump-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z-ANI_notification" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndyTheGrump-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z-ANI_notification"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndyTheGrump-2013-01-21T16:55:00.000Z-ANI_notification"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Topic_ban" data-mw-thread-id="h-Topic_ban-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Topic_ban-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z"></span>Topic ban<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Topic_ban-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Topic ban"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=534945170&oldid=534945131"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span>Per consensus at AN/I</a>, you have been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">topic banned</a> from editing all material on aspartame and artificial sweeteners. This ban is of indefinite duration, however indefinite is not infinte; if you, after a reasonable amount of time has passed, are able to demonstrate to the Wikipedia community that you can edit constructively in this topic area, you may request that the ban be lifted. If you wish to appeal this topic ban you can do so at AN/I. - <a href="/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-The_Bushranger-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 26 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Bushranger-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Bushranger-2013-01-26T06:45:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-28T12:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span>And since you decided to immediately flaunt the topic ban <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29&diff=prev&oldid=535334598">[3]</a>, you have been blocked a couple days. <a href="/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User:Future Perfect at Sunrise">Fut.Perf.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise">☼</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-28T12:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-28T12:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-28T12:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-30T15:00:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> Can i post to AN/I now? <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-30T15:00:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-30T15:00:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-30T15:00:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-30T19:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span>Depends on what you want to say. If you wish to raise something on some unrelated matter, sure, no problem. If you wish to complain about how Wikipedia administration tries to silence the anti-aspartame movement, no, you can't. (To clarify: Bushranger said you may raise an appeal against your restriction at ANI. True. An appeal is something like: "I request a lifting of the ban because I promise I will be editing constructively and no longer be editing in pursuit of my POV agenda." That will be fine. What is not fine is: "I request a lifting of the ban because I want to continue arguing the anti-aspartame case; I have great wrongs to right and I think it's bad that Wikipedia tries to stop me from doing so." If you want to say something like that, don't even try.)</dd></dl> <p>If you wish to be unblocked, I have no problem unblocking you as soon as you promise you will respect your restriction. <a href="/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User:Future Perfect at Sunrise">Fut.Perf.</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise" title="User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise">☼</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-30T19:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-30T19:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise-2013-01-30T19:42:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span>I would like to point out that i have made real contribuations to the aspartame controversy article as shown <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&oldid=533897521#aspartame_controversy">here.</a> </p><p>Also from the beginning i have tried to learn your system which is considerable. Can i post it to AN/I <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-31T18:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z"></span>Stop asking us. We've told you so many times that you can post it to AN/I if you wish. Honestly however, if you try, you'll probably just be cursed at, belittled, and told to go away. If you only want to push your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">POV</a> here, then you'll probably be blocked as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">not here to build an encyclopedia</a>. Either edit other articles, or leave. You've been topic banned for a reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-01-31T18:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-31T18:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-01-31T18:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-01-31T13:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> In case you didn't know, you're going to have to respond at the AN/I thread if you want any chance of not looking bad. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T19:46:00.000Z-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z"></span>And if you didn't read the result, your appeal has been denied as way too soon to pass at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T19:46:00.000Z-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T19:46:00.000Z-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T19:46:00.000Z-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T03:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> I don't know what "following a topic ban through" means? I did not know i was supposed to wait 6 months or so. How was I supposed to be aware of this? <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T22:17:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z"></span>Please please <b>please</b> listen to us again. You need to <b>edit constructively</b> in areas <b>other</b> than aspartame before you ask for your topic ban has <b>ANY</b> chance of being revoked. <i>If</i> you continue trying to get it removed without showing us you can be constructive (for <i>at least</i> 6 months or so before reapplying), you run a strong risk of being not only banned, but <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOCK">blocked</a></b> from editing <i>anything</i> at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T22:17:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T22:17:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-01T22:17:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-01T21:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T03:25:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> OK Thanks. Sorry for my denseness. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:68.9.187.198&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:68.9.187.198 (page does not exist)">68.9.187.198</a> 03:24, February 2, 2013 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>And I'm sorry if I came off harsh or rash :) Also, you may wish to make sure you're logged in, as I believe you made that previous edit logged out :) <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T03:25:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T03:25:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T03:25:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T03:32:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> My Fault again sorry for my denseness. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T03:32:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T03:32:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T03:32:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> I am 71 and many of my friends are old. of those who drank diet coke one has gone blind. and another is in chemo for leukemia . Two others have brain tumors and another has had 2 seizures. All diet coke users. Meanwhile I see people who are addicted to drinking large quantities of diet coke. This is all very unscientific but damn sobering. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T18:45:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry for your friends' conditions. However, that's not going to get your topic ban revoked. Honestly if you post like that again please don't be surprised if you're given a 'don't come back at all' response from some admins. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwickwire" title="User:Gwickwire"><span style="color:#3D0376">gwickwire</span></a><span style="position:absolute"><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gwickwire" title="User talk:Gwickwire">talk</a></sup></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/gwickwire" title="Special:Contributions/gwickwire">edits</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T18:45:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T18:45:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwickwire-2013-02-02T18:45:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc" title="Post hoc ergo propter hoc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saedon-2013-02-02T20:52:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Post hoc ergo propter hoc</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Saedon"><span style="color:#000000;">Sædon</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saedon" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Saedon"><sup style="color:#000000;">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Saedon-2013-02-02T20:52:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saedon-2013-02-02T20:52:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saedon-2013-02-02T20:52:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ravenswing-2013-02-03T08:19:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span>(shrugs) I've been drinking Diet Coke for years, and have neither gone blind nor have contracted leukemia. In like fashion, my anecdotal experiences does not - and should not - affect Wikipedia policies one single jot, never mind form conclusive proof of the beverage's safety.<p>That being said, if you want a public forum for your advocacy, write letters to the local newspaper. Create a website. Start a blog. Post to your Facebook page. There are many avenues out there where you can do so to your heart's content, in many cases free of any censorship, control or need to be even-handed. <b>Wikipedia is not one of those places.</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ravenswing" title="User talk:Ravenswing"><b><span style="background:#7F00FF;color:#00FFFF"> <i> Ravenswing </i> </span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Ravenswing-2013-02-03T08:19:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ravenswing-2013-02-03T08:19:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ravenswing-2013-02-03T08:19:00.000Z-Arydberg-2013-02-02T18:26:00.000Z"></span></p></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-04T18:08:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> Ravenswing, Good luck I wish you well. Perhaps it is all for the best. I have a difficult time being neutral. My farther died when I was 16, a victim of cigarettes, chemical exposure at work and spraying apple trees. The idea of a poison sets off red flags in me. <a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2013-02-04T18:08:00.000Z-Topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2013-02-04T18:08:00.000Z-Topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2013-02-04T18:08:00.000Z-Topic_ban"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">Proposed deletion</a> of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cardrona_halfpipe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cardrona halfpipe (page does not exist)">Cardrona halfpipe</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Proposed deletion of Cardrona halfpipe"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tyrol5-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/74/Ambox_warning_yellow.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_yellow.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="386" data-file-height="334"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>The article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cardrona_halfpipe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cardrona halfpipe (page does not exist)">Cardrona halfpipe</a> has been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed for deletion</a> because of the following concern: </p> <dl><dd><b>Notability not asserted.</b></dd></dl> <p>While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEL#REASON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEL">deleted for any of several reasons</a>. </p><p>You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> notice, but please explain why in your <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a> or on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cardrona_halfpipe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Cardrona halfpipe (page does not exist)">the article's talk page</a>. </p><p>Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing <span class="nowrap"><code>{{proposed deletion/dated}}</code></span> will stop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Proposed deletion">proposed deletion process</a>, but other <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion processes</a> exist. In particular, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">speedy deletion</a> process can result in deletion without discussion, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">articles for deletion</a> allows discussion to reach <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Tyrol5" title="User:Tyrol5"><span style="color:#960018;"><b>Tyrol5</b></span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tyrol5" title="User talk:Tyrol5"><span style="color:#960018;">[Talk]</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Tyrol5-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tyrol5-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tyrol5-2013-12-09T22:17:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2014-06-25T01:23:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"></span>Please tell me if i can get my old topic ban from the aspartame controversy lifted. 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Click <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help"><b>here</b></a> for instant access.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2014-06-25T01:23:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2014-06-25T01:23:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2014-06-25T01:23:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Cardrona_halfpipe"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Topic_ban_-_second_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Topic_ban_-_second_request-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Topic_ban_-_second_request-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"></span>Topic ban - second request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Topic_ban_-_second_request-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Topic ban - second request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/25px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/38px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Pictogram_resolved.svg/50px-Pictogram_resolved.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_looking_for_help_from_administrators" title="Category:Wikipedians looking for help from administrators">request for help from administrators</a> has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the <b><span class="nowrap">{{admin help}}</span></b> template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please tell me if i can get my old topic ban from the aspartame controversy lifted. I find it uncomfortable to have this thing hanging over my head. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JohnCD-2014-06-29T10:04:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"></span>You can apply at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> to have the topic ban lifted, but you will need to explain why you want that, and what sort of edits you wish to make that it is preventing. Unless you give a credible assurance that you understand that Wikipedia is not a place for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RGW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RGW">campaigning</a>, the topic ban is unlikely to be lifted, and if you <i>do</i> return to the charge, it will certainly be reimposed. <a href="/wiki/User:JohnCD" title="User:JohnCD">JohnCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD" title="User talk:JohnCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-JohnCD-2014-06-29T10:04:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JohnCD-2014-06-29T10:04:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JohnCD-2014-06-29T10:04:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-06-29T09:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"></span> It is true that much (if not all) of the fault is mine. I am not well versed in negotiating the pitfalls of wikipedia and I am somewhat biased and foolish believing if I can present facts known to be true then they will be accepted as true. Sometimes it does not work that way. I was also told if i did not insult anyone i would not be banned. This was not true. </p><p>This debate pits the accepted policy of the government against the antidotal information of various citizens. Many of these people have been seriously hurt or had others killed by aspartame. This does not make their claims true but to exclude them from an article with the word “controversy” in the title is reprehensible. </p><p>What you do with me is inconsequential but sooner or later all things come to light. Wikipedia may indeed be within the rights of a encyclopedia in refusing to print contested information in a main article but to delete that information in a article devoted to the controversy surrounding a food additive goes against your 5 pillars. You have an obligation to present a balanced view. Please work toward this. </p><p>ps. Someday perhaps wikipedia will look hard at those articles that excel in getting editors banned. there is much to be learned there. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Arydberg" title="User:Arydberg">Arydberg</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z-Topic_ban_-_second_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BullRangifer-2014-07-10T15:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z"></span>Topic bans serve several purposess, one of which is to give the editor time to learn how things are done here. That happens by editing lots of other articles and getting experience. You have not done that. You have only made a few edits. Please edit more articles and gain experience.</dd> <dd>What concerns me is that you are still carrying the same torch and have the same misguided beliefs about aspartame. Please read the articles and learn from them. Don't just read them and tell yourself that what reliable sources say isn't true. You need to show an ability to learn and get free from your delusions. Until then, I don't see much point in allowing you access to articles where you will cause more disruption. -- <a href="/wiki/User:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:BullRangifer">Brangifer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BullRangifer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:BullRangifer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-BullRangifer-2014-07-10T15:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BullRangifer-2014-07-10T15:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BullRangifer-2014-07-10T15:07:00.000Z-Arydberg-2014-07-05T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Signatures_in_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Signatures_in_articles-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Signatures_in_articles-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z"></span>Signatures in articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Signatures_in_articles-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Signatures in articles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McGeddon-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z-Signatures_in_articles"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello, and thank you for <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arydberg" title="Special:Contributions/Arydberg">your contributions</a> to Wikipedia. I've noticed that you have been adding your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">signature</a> to some of your edits to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_an_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:What is an article">articles</a>, such as the edit you made to <a href="/wiki/Flour" title="Flour">Flour</a>. This is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoiding_common_mistakes" title="Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes">common mistake</a> to make and has probably already been corrected. Please do not sign your edits to article content, as the article's <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">edit history</a> serves the function of attributing contributions, so you only need to use your signature to make discussions more readable, such as on article <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk pages</a> or project pages such as the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" title="Wikipedia:Village pump">Village Pump</a>. If you would like further information about distinguishing types of pages, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_an_article%3F" title="Wikipedia:What is an article?">What is an article?</a> Again, thank you for contributing, and enjoy your Wikipedia experience! Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:McGeddon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McGeddon">McGeddon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McGeddon" title="User talk:McGeddon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-McGeddon-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z-Signatures_in_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 7 July 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McGeddon-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z-Signatures_in_articles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McGeddon-2016-07-07T13:06:00.000Z-Signatures_in_articles"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="December_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_2016-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_2016-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z"></span>December 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_2016-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: December 2016"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AntiCompositeNumber-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z-December_2016"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information_orange.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/25px-Information_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/38px-Information_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/50px-Information_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Please do not add inappropriate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links" title="Wikipedia:External links">external links</a> to Wikipedia, as you did to <a href="/wiki/Flour" title="Flour">Flour</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#LINK" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">Wikipedia is not a collection of links</a>, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links" title="Wikipedia:External links">the external links guideline</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam" title="Wikipedia:Spam">spam guideline</a> for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the <a href="/wiki/Nofollow" title="Nofollow">nofollow</a> attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:AntiCompositeNumber" title="User:AntiCompositeNumber">AntiCompositeNumber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AntiCompositeNumber" title="User talk:AntiCompositeNumber">Leave a message</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-AntiCompositeNumber-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z-December_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AntiCompositeNumber-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z-December_2016"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AntiCompositeNumber-2016-12-30T02:09:00.000Z-December_2016"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Queen_Mary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Queen_Mary-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Queen_Mary-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z"></span>Queen Mary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Queen_Mary-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Queen Mary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Palmiped-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z-Queen_Mary"></span>Hi, I also wondered what happened to your edit, the reason you thought your edit had disappeared was because you put it whithin a reference, so did not show within main article. I have therefore since undone your edit, it also contained a weasel word. Regards <small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Palmiped" title="User:Palmiped"><b>palmiped</b></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Palmiped" title="User talk:Palmiped"><span style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk </span></a> </span></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-Palmiped-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z-Queen_Mary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Palmiped-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z-Queen_Mary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Palmiped-2017-02-08T14:21:00.000Z-Queen_Mary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November_20)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z"><span id="Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_.28November_20.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Your submission at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for creation</a>: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone (page does not exist)">Jackson Carter Murder Stone</a> (November 20)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Your submission at Articles for creation: Jackson Carter Murder Stone (November 20)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/50px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/75px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AFC-Logo_Decline.svg/100px-AFC-Logo_Decline.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Your recent article submission to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" title="Wikipedia:Articles for creation">Articles for Creation</a> has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by RoySmith was: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r890676480">.mw-parser-output .divbox{padding:1em;margin:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox .divbox-heading{width:auto;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;font-weight:bold;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .divbox-amber{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-berk{background-color:#b78727;border:1px solid #0f4d92}.mw-parser-output .divbox-black{background-color:black;border:1px solid white;color:white;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-bloodred{background-color:#ff3333;border:1px solid #cc0000;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .divbox-blue{background-color:#dee;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-brown{background-color:#f2deb8;border:1px solid #663300}.mw-parser-output .divbox-darkgreen{background-color:#006a4d;color:#ffffff;border:4px solid #ffffff;border-radius:5em;box-shadow:0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75)}.mw-parser-output .divbox-docgreen{background-color:#ecfcf4;border:1px solid #aaaaaa}.mw-parser-output .divbox-double{background-color:inherit;border:1px double #000000;letter-spacing:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email{font-weight:bold;margin-left:2em;border:black solid 1px;border-style:dotted solid dotted solid;background:palegreen}.mw-parser-output .divbox-fawn{border:1px solid #cd853f;background-color:#fff8dc;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-forest{background-color:#b5dbaf;border:1px solid #006633}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gold{background-color:#cc0;border:1px solid #f00}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey{background-color:#eeeeee;border:1px solid #999999}.mw-parser-output .divbox-gray99,.mw-parser-output .divbox-grey99{background-color:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #dddddd}.mw-parser-output .divbox-grayh,.mw-parser-output .divbox-greyh{background:transparent;border:solid 4px lightgray;border-left:none;border-right:none;color:gray}.mw-parser-output .divbox-green{background-color:#ccffcc;border:1px solid #009900}.mw-parser-output .divbox-greenv{background:transparent;border:solid 8px lightgreen;border-top:none;border-bottom:none}.mw-parser-output .divbox-ivory{border:1px solid #0000ff;background-color:#fffff0;border-radius:10px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lavender{background-color:#e6e6fa;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lightblue{background-color:#f0f8ff;border:1px solid #7cb9e8}.mw-parser-output .divbox-lilac{background-color:#c8a2c8;border:1px solid silver}.mw-parser-output .divbox-n{border:7px solid #0ff0ff;background-color:#f0fff0;border-radius:25px}.mw-parser-output .divbox-navy{background-color:#aadbe0;border:1px solid #00477b}.mw-parser-output .divbox-none{border:1px hidden}.mw-parser-output .divbox-nyanza{background-color:#e9ffdb;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-orange{background-color:#ffdeb5;border:1px solid #ff6600}.mw-parser-output .divbox-plain{background-color:inherit;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-purple{background-color:#ffdaff;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-red{background-color:#ffcccc;border:1px solid #cc0000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-sia{background-color:#cccccc;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-siaaa{background-color:#d5dceb;border:1px solid #6881b9}.mw-parser-output .divbox-simar{background-color:#f2deb8;border:4px solid #810541;border-radius:5em}.mw-parser-output .divbox-teal{background-color:#008080;border:1px solid #40e0d0}.mw-parser-output .divbox-thistle{background-color:#d8bfd8;font-size:11pt;border:1px solid #7d00b3}.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt{background-color:transparent;color:darkblue;border:1px solid grey}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wdl{background-color:#cee3f6;border:1px solid #cee3f6}.mw-parser-output .divbox-white{background-color:#ffffff;border:1px solid #000000}.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{background-color:blue;color:white;border:1px solid #0000cc}.mw-parser-output .divbox-email,.mw-parser-output .divbox-tt,.mw-parser-output .divbox-wordperfect{font-family:monospace,monospace}.mw-parser-output .divbox-yellow{background-color:#ffffcc;border:1px solid #ffcc00}</style><div class="metadata divbox divbox-gray">This submission is not adequately supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <i>Reliable</i> sources are required so that information can be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verified</a>. If you need help with referencing, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">Referencing for beginners</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">Citing sources</a>.</div> The comment the reviewer left was: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r890676480"><div class="metadata divbox divbox-blue">It's impossible to evaluate this without references. The one external link is to something that looks like a blog, which isn't a good reference. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">WP:YFA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> for advice on how to write a good article, and how to find good sources.</div> Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit <i>when they have been resolved</i>. <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <ul><li>If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone (page does not exist)">Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone</a> and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.</li> <li>If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone (page does not exist)">Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone</a>, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Db-self" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Db-self">db-self</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.</li> <li>If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"><b>Articles for creation help desk</b></a></span> or on the <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RoySmith&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"><b>reviewer's talk page</b></a></span>.</li> <li>You can also use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_help_disclaimer" title="Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer">Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors</a>.</li></ul> -- <a href="/wiki/User:RoySmith" title="User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:RoySmith" title="User talk:RoySmith">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-RoySmith-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RoySmith-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RoySmith-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November"></span></div> <table style="margin: 0.4em 2em;"> <tbody><tr style="vertical-align: top;"> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RoySmith-2018-11-20T01:39:00.000Z-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone_(November-1"></span><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Teahouse logo" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/WP_teahouse_logo_2.png" decoding="async" width="101" height="101" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="101" data-file-height="101"/></a></span> </td> <td><div style="background-color:#f4f3f0; color: #393D38; padding: 1em; font-size: 1.1em; border-radius:10px;box-shadow:-2px -2px 1px #8e8a78;">Hello, <b>Arydberg</b>! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk">Articles for creation help desk</a></b>. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a></b>, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! 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It has been over six months since you last edited the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">Articles for Creation</a> submission or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts" title="Wikipedia:Drafts">Draft</a> page you started, "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone (page does not exist)">Jackson Carter Murder Stone</a>". </p><p>In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Mainspace" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Mainspace">mainspace</a>, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit Draft:Jackson Carter Murder Stone"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone&action=edit">edit the submission</a></span> and remove the <span class="nowrap"><code>{{db-afc}}</code></span>, <span class="nowrap"><code>{{db-draft}}</code></span>, or <span class="nowrap"><code>{{db-g13}}</code></span> code. </p><p>If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFUND/G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFUND/G13">this link</a>. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it. </p><p>Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. <a href="/wiki/User:CptViraj" title="User:CptViraj">CptViraj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CptViraj" title="User talk:CptViraj">📧</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-CptViraj-2019-07-22T15:04:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CptViraj-2019-07-22T15:04:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CptViraj-2019-07-22T15:04:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.249.27.132-2019-07-22T15:59:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"></span>I have given up with the article as it keeps being deleted. It seems hopeless. You people have very strange rules. Lots of criticism and absolutely no help. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.249.27.132" title="Special:Contributions/24.249.27.132">24.249.27.132</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:24.249.27.132" title="User talk:24.249.27.132">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arydberg#c-24.249.27.132-2019-07-22T15:59:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.249.27.132-2019-07-22T15:59:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.249.27.132-2019-07-22T15:59:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Jackson_Carter_Murder_Stone"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&oldid=1145839674">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Arydberg&oldid=1145839674</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:User_talk_pages_with_Uw-spam2_notices" title="Category:User talk pages with Uw-spam2 notices">User talk pages with Uw-spam2 notices</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_who_have_received_a_Teahouse_invitation_through_AfC" title="Category:Wikipedians who have received a Teahouse invitation through AfC">Wikipedians who have received a Teahouse invitation through AfC</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 March 2023, at 07:54<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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