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Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: upmerge <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Yacht_racing_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Yacht racing stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Yacht racing stubs</a>; keep the template. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020012000-Template:Yachtracing-stub" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/wiki/Template:Yachtracing-stub" title="Template:Yachtracing-stub">Template:Yachtracing-stub</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Yachtracing-stub&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Yachtracing-stub" title="Template talk:Yachtracing-stub">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Yachtracing-stub&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Yachtracing-stub">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Yachtracing-stub&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Template%3AYachtracing-stub">logs</a>) </li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Merge into <a href="/wiki/Template:Sailing-stub" title="Template:Sailing-stub">Template:Sailing-stub</a>. Only 36 usages and the term sailing (also an Olympic sport) covers yacht racing, windsurfing, kitesurfing, model boat racing, dinghy racing etc.</dd></dl> I have also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports#Yacht_racing_(not_sailing)_stub_templates_and_category_tree" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports">proposed renaming yacht racing stub templates to sailing stub templates</a>, which I'm waiting for feedback. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelmeen10" title="User:Pelmeen10">Pelmeen10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelmeen10" title="User talk:Pelmeen10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pelmeen10-20241005162500-Template:Yachtracing-stub" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Merge the category, don't delete the template. I guess this is what nom means, but if so the nomination is not phrased clearly enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241005203900-Pelmeen10-20241005162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I will tag <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Yacht_racing_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Yacht racing stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Yacht racing stubs</a>. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012230600-Pelmeen10-20241005162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pelmeen10" title="User:Pelmeen10">Pelmeen10</a>: Am I correct that you want to have {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Yachtracing-stub" title="Template:Yachtracing-stub">Yachtracing-stub</a>}} (the template) still exist but populate <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Yacht_racing_stubs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Yacht racing stubs (page does not exist)">Category:Yacht racing stubs</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012230800-Pelmeen10-20241005162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I want to populate <a href="/wiki/Category:Sailing_stubs" title="Category:Sailing stubs">Category:Sailing stubs</a>. Sailing includes <a href="/wiki/Yacht_racing" title="Yacht racing">yacht racing</a>. Sailing is the parent catory, "merge into" means deletion for the yacht racing (child) category. And next step would be to rename yacht racing bio stub categories to sailing bio stubs. <a href="/wiki/User:Pelmeen10" title="User:Pelmeen10">Pelmeen10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelmeen10" title="User talk:Pelmeen10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pelmeen10-20241013165000-HouseBlaster-20241012230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Critics_of_veganism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Critics_of_veganism-October_12">Category:Critics of veganism</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Category:Critics of veganism">edit</a>]</div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Relisted, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Category:Critics_of_veganism" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20#Category:Critics of veganism</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Centuries_in_Landskrona" data-mw-thread-id="h-Centuries_in_Landskrona-October_12-20240927055100">Centuries in Landskrona‎</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Centuries in Landskrona‎">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: manually merge older dates, prune C20 & 21. Many members are already in subcats of the target e.g. <a href="/wiki/Category:Former_buildings_and_structures_in_Landskrona" title="Category:Former buildings and structures in Landskrona">Category:Former buildings and structures in Landskrona</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Fayenatic_london-20241022211300-Centuries_in_Landskrona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose manually merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:15th_century_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:15th century in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:15th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:16th_century_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:16th century in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:16th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:17th_century_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:17th century in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:17th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:18th_century_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:18th century in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:18th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:19th_century_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:19th century in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:19th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/wiki/Category:20th_century_in_Landskrona" title="Category:20th century in Landskrona">Category:20th century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose manually merging <a href="/wiki/Category:21st_century_in_Landskrona" title="Category:21st century in Landskrona">Category:21st century in Landskrona</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Landskrona" title="Category:History of Landskrona">Category:History of Landskrona</a></li> <li>Propose deleting <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Centuries_in_Landskrona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Centuries in Landskrona (page does not exist)">Category:Centuries in Landskrona</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: manually merge, most articles don't belong in a history category but rather in e.g. a buildings and structures category. The articles that do belong in a history category are so few that they can easily put together in a single category. For reference: only 5 of the biggest world cities have their own 15th century category next to Landskrona. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240927055100-Centuries_in_Landskrona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Category:21st_century_by_city" title="Category:21st century by city">Category:21st century by city</a> has a lot of city categories. Leaning Oppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Gonnym-20240927123000-Marcocapelle-20240927055100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>It has a negligable amount of cities of around 30.000 inhabitants. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240927123600-Gonnym-20240927123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241005042600-Centuries_in_Landskrona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012225900-Centuries_in_Landskrona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>What if we purged the categories of things which obviously do not belong (such as buildings/structures) and then see what we are left with? At that point, we can have a more informed discussion about whether these are helpful for navigation. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020012800-Centuries_in_Landskrona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Should probably ping @<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> for their thoughts on the above. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020015200-HouseBlaster-20241020012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>That works for me. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241020060100-HouseBlaster-20241020015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Can you give an example of a page that does not belong? Looking at the first page from the first category, <a href="/wiki/Saint_John_the_Baptist%27s_Church,_Landskrona" title="Saint John the Baptist's Church, Landskrona">Saint John the Baptist's Church, Landskrona</a>, it seems to fit the category. <a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Gonnym-20241020173500-Marcocapelle-20241020060100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>It belongs in a buildings and structures category. In other cities we do not put buildings in history categories either. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241021053300-Gonnym-20241020173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Women_local_politicans" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_local_politicans-October_12">Women local politicans</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Women local politicans">edit</a>]</div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Relisted, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Women_local_politicans" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20#Women local politicans</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers-October_12-20241012221800">Category:Israeli insurance brokers</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Category:Israeli insurance brokers">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: delete. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020012900-Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose renaming <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Israeli insurance brokers (page does not exist)">Category:Israeli insurance brokers</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Insurance_brokers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Insurance brokers (page does not exist)">Category:Insurance brokers</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: I think we should either generalize this category to not be specific to just brokers from Israel, or delete it because its unhelpful for navigation right now <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241012221800-Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Just delete, the subject of the article was not notable because he was an insurance broker. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241013060300-Category:Israeli_insurance_brokers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Fine with me <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241013211000-Marcocapelle-20241013060300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Graph_algorithms" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Graph_algorithms-October_12-20241004113900">Category:Graph algorithms</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Category:Graph algorithms">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: keep. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020012900-Category:Graph_algorithms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Graph_algorithms" title="Category:Graph algorithms">Category:Graph algorithms</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Algorithms_in_graph_theory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Algorithms in graph theory (page does not exist)">Category:Algorithms in graph theory</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Needs to be called either that or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Graph_(discrete_mathematics)_algorithms&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Graph (discrete mathematics) algorithms (page does not exist)">Category:Graph (discrete mathematics) algorithms</a>, per <a href="/wiki/Graph_(discrete_mathematics)" title="Graph (discrete mathematics)">graph (discrete mathematics)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a>. The latter seems more awkward, though. <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4" title="Special:Contributions/1234qwer1234qwer4">4</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-1234qwer1234qwer4-20241004113900-Category:Graph_algorithms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting; see comment below. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012192700-Category:Graph_algorithms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Copy of speedy discussion</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Algorithms_in_graph_theory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Algorithms in graph theory (page does not exist)">Category:Algorithms in graph theory</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Graph_algorithms" title="Category:Graph algorithms">Category:Graph algorithms</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C2D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C2D">WP:C2D</a>. At the top of the category page: "The main section for this category is in the article List of algorithms, in the section titled Graph algorithms" [bold added]. Reverses recent bad C2D from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_4" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4</a>. Also per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>, Google Scholar has roughly 1k hits for "algorithms in graph theory" and roughly 6M for "graph algorithms", and there are multiple texts with "graph algorithms" in the title. The previous C2D rationale does not apply; we do not apply C2D to words picked out from title phrases, only to the whole phrase. The whole phrase here is "Graph algorithms". Its main topic is <a href="/wiki/Graph_algorithm" class="mw-redirect" title="Graph algorithm">graph algorithm</a> (redirect to same target as described in text above). The same bad reasoning from the previous C2D would then require disambuating "algorithms in graph theory" to "<a href="/wiki/Analysis_of_algorithms" title="Analysis of algorithms">analysis of algorithms</a> in graph theory", and then disambiguating "analysis", ad infinitum. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-David_Eppstein-20241012062600-Category:Graph_algorithms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I fully symphatize with your reasoning, but I do not thing we can use CFDS to revert a recent CFD. Also pinging @<a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a>:, may be we can solve it in an easy way.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Ymblanter-20241012094300-David_Eppstein-20241012062600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>When I get back to my computer, I will revert the closure and relist the discussion. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012173500-Ymblanter-20241012094300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> This was objected to by means of filing a CFDS request to undo the move. Pinging @<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:1234qwer1234qwer4" title="User:1234qwer1234qwer4">1234qwer1234qwer4</a>: for their thoughts. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012192800-Category:Graph_algorithms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>My thoughts are adequately expressed in the hatted section above: "Graph algorithms" is by far the COMMONNAME, it is the title of the main article/section of this category (<a href="/wiki/Graph_algorithm" class="mw-redirect" title="Graph algorithm">graph algorithm</a>), it is not in need of disambiguation as a phrase, and we do not need to pick out and disambiguate individual words in phrases that are not ambiguous as a whole. Oppose rename. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Eppstein" title="User talk:David Eppstein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-David_Eppstein-20241012224500-HouseBlaster-20241012192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep per David Eppstein. "Graph algorithms" is a clear and unambiguous term, even if "graph" by itself isn't. — <a href="/wiki/User:The_Earwig" title="User:The Earwig">The Earwig</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Earwig" title="User talk:The Earwig">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-The_Earwig-20241016144300-HouseBlaster-20241012192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:FL-Class_cricket_articles_of_Mid-importance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:FL-Class_cricket_articles_of_Mid-importance-October_12">Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance">edit</a>]</div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Relisted, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Category:FL-Class_cricket_articles_of_Mid-importance" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 20#Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Cricket_articles_by_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Cricket_articles_by_review-October_12-20241012155000">Category:Cricket articles by review</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Category:Cricket articles by review">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: delete. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013000-Category:Cricket_articles_by_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Cricket_articles_by_review&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Cricket articles by review (page does not exist)">Category:Cricket articles by review</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cricket_articles_by_review&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Cricket_articles_by_review&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Cricket articles by review (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cricket_articles_by_review&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Cricket_articles_by_review">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Cricket_articles_by_review&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ACricket+articles+by+review">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: There are no A-class articles within the project's scope; apart from that the <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cricket" title="Template:WikiProject Cricket">project banner</a> doesn't even has the A-class review parameters anymore. Vestrian24Bio (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrian24Bio" title="User talk:Vestrian24Bio">TALK</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Vestrian24Bio-20241012155000-Category:Cricket_articles_by_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Also the following which are no longer used by the <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Cricket" title="Template:WikiProject Cricket">banner shell</a> anymore as well. <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Reviewed B-Class cricket articles (page does not exist)">Category:Reviewed B-Class cricket articles</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Reviewed B-Class cricket articles (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_B-Class_cricket_articles&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AReviewed+B-Class+cricket+articles">logs</a>)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Reviewed C-Class cricket articles (page does not exist)">Category:Reviewed C-Class cricket articles</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Reviewed C-Class cricket articles (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Reviewed_C-Class_cricket_articles&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AReviewed+C-Class+cricket+articles">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Vestrian24Bio (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vestrian24Bio" title="User talk:Vestrian24Bio">TALK</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Vestrian24Bio-20241012172900-Vestrian24Bio-20241012155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Speedy delete per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:C4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:C4">C4</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:LaundryPizza03" title="User:LaundryPizza03">LaundryPizza03</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaundryPizza03" title="User talk:LaundryPizza03">d</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03" title="Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03">c̄</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-LaundryPizza03-20241019070800-Vestrian24Bio-20241012155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people-October_12-20241012143200">Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> for knowing what to do here. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACD">(non-admin closure)</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727" title="User talk:Compassionate727">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Compassionate727-20241012160700-Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose ??? <a href="/wiki/Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people" title="Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people">Category:Medieval German LGBTQ people</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Moving this category out of the ordinal-century format broke its tranclusion of {{<a href="/wiki/Template:LGBTQ_people_by_nationality_and_century_category_header" title="Template:LGBTQ people by nationality and century category header">LGBTQ people by nationality and century category header</a>}}. The code of the underlying template is quite complex and inflexible, and I doubt this error could be fixed without radical alterations. I don't believe it desirable to undertake that, especially when it is unclear to me how renaming the category actually addressed the original concern that this category is unhelpful for navigation. Pinging previous discussion's participants <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Smasongarrison</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727" title="User talk:Compassionate727">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Compassionate727-20241012143200-Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep. The transclusion problem was very easily solved by untranscluding the "broken" header template, and simply filing the category directly in appropriate parent categories instead of doing that via a transcluded header template. That's not a radical solution at all, as it's an entirely normal way of including categories in parent categories — we can use header templates instead of directly transcluded categories where they're useful and fit the circumstances, but there's no rule that we must always use header templates instead of directly transcluded categories, and no rule that a category is inherently invalid just because its parentage doesn't suit a header template. Note also the existence of siblings for <a href="/wiki/Category:Medieval_French_LGBTQ_people" title="Category:Medieval French LGBTQ people">Category:Medieval French LGBTQ people</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Medieval_Italian_LGBTQ_people" title="Category:Medieval Italian LGBTQ people">Category:Medieval Italian LGBTQ people</a>, and of a parent <a href="/wiki/Category:Medieval_LGBTQ_people" title="Category:Medieval LGBTQ people">Category:Medieval LGBTQ people</a>, all of which suggest that this is both an acceptable and expected category. <a href="/wiki/User:Bearcat" title="User:Bearcat">Bearcat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bearcat" title="User talk:Bearcat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Bearcat-20241012144500-Category:Medieval_German_LGBTQ_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Keep. The whole point of the category header is that its only supposed to be used on a very specific kind of category. Thanks Bearcat for making the fix. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241012150200-Bearcat-20241012144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="(LGBT_identity)_fiction" data-mw-thread-id="h-(LGBT_identity)_fiction-October_12-20241012122800">(LGBT identity) fiction</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: (LGBT identity) fiction">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: rename the top three, keep the bottom 2. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACD">(non-admin closure)</a> Charlotte (<a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">Queen of Hearts</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queen_of_Hearts" title="User talk:Queen of Hearts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241019192900-(LGBT_identity)_fiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Fiction_about_asexuality" title="Category:Fiction about asexuality">Category:Fiction about asexuality</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiction_about_asexuality&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Fiction_about_asexuality" title="Category talk:Fiction about asexuality">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiction_about_asexuality&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Fiction_about_asexuality">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiction_about_asexuality&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AFiction+about+asexuality">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Asexual_fiction" title="Category:Asexual fiction">Category:Asexual fiction</a></li> <li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Aromanticism_in_fiction" title="Category:Aromanticism in fiction">Category:Aromanticism in fiction</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Aromanticism_in_fiction&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Aromanticism_in_fiction" title="Category talk:Aromanticism in fiction">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Aromanticism_in_fiction&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Aromanticism_in_fiction">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Aromanticism_in_fiction&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AAromanticism+in+fiction">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Aromantic_fiction" title="Category:Aromantic fiction">Category:Aromantic fiction</a></li> <li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Bisexuality-related_fiction" title="Category:Bisexuality-related fiction">Category:Bisexuality-related fiction</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Bisexuality-related_fiction&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Bisexuality-related_fiction" title="Category talk:Bisexuality-related fiction">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Bisexuality-related_fiction&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Bisexuality-related_fiction">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Bisexuality-related_fiction&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ABisexuality-related+fiction">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Bisexual_fiction" title="Category:Bisexual fiction">Category:Bisexual fiction</a></li> <li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Gay_fiction" title="Category:Gay fiction">Category:Gay fiction</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Gay_fiction&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Gay_fiction" title="Category talk:Gay fiction">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Gay_fiction&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Gay_fiction">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Gay_fiction&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AGay+fiction">logs</a>)</li> <li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:Lesbian_fiction" title="Category:Lesbian fiction">Category:Lesbian fiction</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Lesbian_fiction&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Lesbian_fiction" title="Category talk:Lesbian fiction">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Lesbian_fiction&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Lesbian_fiction">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Lesbian_fiction&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ALesbian+fiction">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Nominated for speedyrename by <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic london</a>, contested by me and agreed by <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a>, I'm opening CfD reccommended by <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>. I suggest these changes, I also nominated gay and lesbian categories in case this discussion decides something else in the other direction. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012122800-(LGBT_identity)_fiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>No objection from me. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Fayenatic_london-20241012124800-(LGBT_identity)_fiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Rename as proposed. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Raladic-20241012142800-(LGBT_identity)_fiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a>: Do you have rename targets for <a href="/wiki/Category:Gay_fiction" title="Category:Gay fiction">Category:Gay fiction</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Lesbian_fiction" title="Category:Lesbian fiction">Category:Lesbian fiction</a>? You proposed a rename but did not specify a rename target :) <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241016061800-(LGBT_identity)_fiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh I should have replaced with "Propose keeping" in those two cases. See the last sentence I put in the nomination. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241016170900-HouseBlaster-20241016061800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States-October_12-20241012111800">Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists in the United States</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists in the United States">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: merge (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-administrators_closing_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">non-admin closure</a>). Charlotte (<a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">Queen of Hearts</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queen_of_Hearts" title="User talk:Queen of Hearts">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241019193100-Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists in the United States (page does not exist)">Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists in the United States</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Anti-LGBTQ_evangelical_Christian_activists_in_the_United_States" title="Category:Anti-LGBTQ evangelical Christian activists in the United States">Category:Anti-LGBTQ evangelical Christian activists in the United States</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists" title="Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists">Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Only two biographies. Upmerge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Anti-LGBTQ_evangelical_Christian_activists_in_the_United_States" title="Category:Anti-LGBTQ evangelical Christian activists in the United States">Category:Anti-LGBTQ evangelical Christian activists in the United States</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists" title="Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists">Category:Anti-LGBTQ Pentecostal activists</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012111800-Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Merge for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241012130500-Category:Anti-LGBTQ_Pentecostal_activists_in_the_United_States" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir-October_12-20241012093400">Category:Volleyball players from Izmir</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Category:Volleyball players from Izmir">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. I will redirect <a href="/wiki/Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" title="Category:Volleyball players from Izmir">Category:Volleyball players from Izmir</a> to the diacritic version. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241018005700-Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose merging <a href="/wiki/Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" title="Category:Volleyball players from Izmir">Category:Volleyball players from Izmir</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Sportspeople_from_%C4%B0zmir" title="Category:Sportspeople from İzmir">Category:Sportspeople from İzmir</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. <a href="/wiki/User:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User:Lost in Quebec">Lost in Quebec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User talk:Lost in Quebec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Lost_in_Quebec-20241012093400-Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><s>Merge per nom.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241012130700-Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Withdraw vote in light of recent developments, see below. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241013060600-Marcocapelle-20241012130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>Closure request and speedy deletion This category was actually misspelled. It should be İzmir not Izmir. Secondly, I found <s>four</s> twelve more volleyball players from İzmir. Lastly, I created a <a href="/wiki/Category:Volleyball_players_from_%C4%B0zmir" title="Category:Volleyball players from İzmir">Category:Volleyball players from İzmir</a> and populated it with those other articles I found. Thirteen I think is sufficient for a keep. So can someone please close this CFD, and delete the misspelled and now empty <a href="/wiki/Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" title="Category:Volleyball players from Izmir">Category:Volleyball players from Izmir</a>?<a href="/wiki/User:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User:Lost in Quebec">Lost in Quebec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lost_in_Quebec" title="User talk:Lost in Quebec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Lost_in_Quebec-20241012142400-Category:Volleyball_players_from_Izmir" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:All_Elite_Wrestling_personnel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:All_Elite_Wrestling_personnel-October_12">Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel">edit</a>]</div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Relisted, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_19#Category:All_Elite_Wrestling_personnel" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 19">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 19#Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland-October_12-20241012053400">Category:Upper class culture in Maryland</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Category:Upper class culture in Maryland">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: delete. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013200-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Upper class culture in Maryland (page does not exist)">Category:Upper class culture in Maryland</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Upper class culture in Maryland (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3AUpper+class+culture+in+Maryland">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Mostly consists of various localities and neighbourhoods. Not clear how that constitutes "upper class culture". <a href="/wiki/User:AusLondonder" title="User:AusLondonder">AusLondonder</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AusLondonder" title="User talk:AusLondonder">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-AusLondonder-20241012053400-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Delete per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUBJECTIVECAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUBJECTIVECAT">WP:SUBJECTIVECAT</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:LaundryPizza03" title="User:LaundryPizza03">LaundryPizza03</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LaundryPizza03" title="User talk:LaundryPizza03">d</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03" title="Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03">c̄</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-LaundryPizza03-20241012054800-AusLondonder-20241012053400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete, the neigbourhoods articles should be purged anyway and not much is left beside that. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241012064500-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Delete per above. Any similar categories should probably be bundled with this. <a href="/wiki/User:Sdkb" title="User:Sdkb">Sdkb</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sdkb" title="User talk:Sdkb">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Sdkb-20241012130500-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep This should have been nominated together with the category for working-class culture in Baltimore. The idea that because the nominator is ignorant of the concept of working-class culture or upper-class culture is a bizarre reason to delete the category. We identify something as working-class or upper-class through...reliable sources. The same thing we do with everything else. The argument for deletion boils down to "The concept is strange to me. I don't get it, so delete it". That's bogus. The argument that neighborhoods don't belong is not an argument for deletion, it's an argument for removing the neighborhoods. Although if reliable sources characterize a neighborhood as upper class, I see no reason not to include the neighborhood. <a href="/wiki/User:Bohemian_Baltimore" title="User:Bohemian Baltimore">Bohemian Baltimore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bohemian_Baltimore" title="User talk:Bohemian Baltimore">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Bohemian_Baltimore-20241017124300-Category:Upper_class_culture_in_Maryland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law-October_12-20241012051100">Category:Armenian scholars of constitutional law</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Category:Armenian scholars of constitutional law">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: merge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Armenian_jurists" title="Category:Armenian jurists">Category:Armenian jurists</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013200-Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose splitting <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Armenian scholars of constitutional law (page does not exist)">Category:Armenian scholars of constitutional law</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Armenian_legal_scholars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Armenian legal scholars (page does not exist)">Category:Armenian legal scholars</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Scholars_of_constitutional_law" title="Category:Scholars of constitutional law">Category:Scholars of constitutional law</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one page in this category which isn't helpful for navigation <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241012051100-Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Merge, but to <a href="/wiki/Category:Armenian_jurists" title="Category:Armenian jurists">Category:Armenian jurists</a>, there is no information in the article about an academic career, which I presume for modern people would be a requirement to be in a scholars category. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241012071000-Category:Armenian_scholars_of_constitutional_law" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sounds good to me <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241013013300-Marcocapelle-20241012071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y-October_12-20241012041900">Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: keep. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020030900-Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Diamond+and+Pearl">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Gold and Silver (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Gold and Silver</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Gold and Silver (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Gold+and+Silver">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Ruby+and+Sapphire">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Scarlet+and+Violet">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Sun+and+Moon">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+Sword+and+Shield">logs</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: For isonomy, I'm bringing these for discussion based in <a href="#Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y">this one</a>, feel free to merge the discussions. </dd></dl> Reasons: all of these only contain from two to four concrete articles plus a list, and some of them contain redirects. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012041900-Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oppose This is a very bold move out of complete nowhere given that the vast bulk of these categories are perfectly valid navigational tools. The Sword and Shield category in particular contains five articles, while the bulk of the others contain around four or so articles, which are sizeable numbers when collected as a group. Merging all of these sub-categories back to the main category would clutter said category with twenty-three additional articles, and when the total Pokémon species category is covering nearly sixty articles, all of which have valid ways of better organizing them, a merge back would be detrimental for both navigational and practical purposes and be overall unwieldy for covering this subject effectively. I feel a merge would be unwise, and support keeping the bulk of these split.</dd> <dd>As an aside, I did mean to discuss the Ruby and Sapphire and Sun and Moon categories when it wasn't midnight in my time zone, but given that this is being brought to the forefront now, I'll bring up my gripes: Both of these categories I feel definitely have room for expansion, but do not have enough articles to justify a split for the time being, in my mind. I wished to discuss this with other editors who I was aware had projects that would fall under these categories in order to resolve this matter further, but this discussion has thrown a wrench in that. Additinally, with Ruby and Sapphire in particular, I did also wish to discuss that I'm admittedly unsure if <a href="/wiki/Regi_(Pok%C3%A9mon)" title="Regi (Pokémon)">Regi (Pokémon)</a> should be included within the category, and not just the redirects, given the overarching group was introduced in those games, which could potentially allow for a better justification of RS's sub-category. For the time being I am unable to discuss this as effectively with the categories being suddenly brought to deletion, but I would appreciate the nominator's insight on this, and my other points, as a whole, without a volley of deletion discussions being brought in as a retort. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012043500-Web-julio-20241012041900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Technically, I was the one who created Ruby and Sapphire and Sun and Moon categories, so I admit that I thought these would be fine, but since you brought the other one for debate, maybe these would also be against policies or what CfD participants think of. So I'm open to comments. And they can be recreated, but where's the line and what would be the criteria for such inclusion/category creation next time?</dd> <dd>Because, 5 isn't even a big number overall for general categories. And <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> says <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">[...] will never have more than a few members, [...]</q>, which is not the case, they will eventually be bigger. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012053100-Pokelego999-20241012043500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> was deprecated in 2023. <a href="/wiki/User:(Oinkers42)" title="User:(Oinkers42)">(Oinkers42)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:(Oinkers42)" title="User talk:(Oinkers42)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-(Oinkers42)-20241012112000-Web-julio-20241012053100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's why I'm quoting it, as the quantity isn't a factor anymore for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241016173700-(Oinkers42)-20241012112000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Oppose per above.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kung_Fu_Man" title="User:Kung Fu Man">Kung Fu Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kung_Fu_Man" title="User talk:Kung Fu Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Kung_Fu_Man-20241012050300-Web-julio-20241012041900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Keep I have always considered 4, occasionally 3, to be the minimum number of articles for a category to be useful. Many categories exist with four articles. These Pokémon categories are useful enough to stay, while the Gen 6 one is not because there are fewer articles. If more Gen 6 Pokémon get articles, we can bring it back. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-QuicoleJR-20241012122700-Web-julio-20241012041900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Merge. The game they were introduced in is not a defining trait, since they often appear in every subsequent game, even live in multiple regions. The above comments are largely <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTAVOTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTAVOTE">votes</a> with no basis in policy, besides the comment of Pokelego, which argues they are "valid navigational tools" (technically every category is, that doesn't mean it follows the guidelines). <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Zxcvbnm-20241014034800-Web-julio-20241012041900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">Zxcvbnm</a>: I would argue that it is defining, because they don't all appear in every subsequent game, and reliable sources often sort them by generation, as does our list system. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-QuicoleJR-20241014152400-Zxcvbnm-20241014034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>But then they should be renamed to refer to their generation, not their game. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241014164000-QuicoleJR-20241014152400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The generations are divided by when a new game releases (Red and Blue were Gen 1, Gold and Silver were Gen 2, X and Y were Gen 6, etc.) and I think this name is more self-explanatory for readers who do not have much prior knowledge of the Pokémon series, while also allowing it to be categorized under <a href="/wiki/Category:Video_game_characters_by_game" title="Category:Video game characters by game">Video game characters by game</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-QuicoleJR-20241014170900-Web-julio-20241014164000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Not essentially. Examples: <a href="/wiki/Kleavor" title="Kleavor">Kleavor</a> and <a href="/wiki/Meltan" title="Meltan">Meltan</a>, as well as <a href="/wiki/Hisuian_Zoroark" class="mw-redirect" title="Hisuian Zoroark">Hisuian Zoroark</a> and <a href="/wiki/Hisuian_Voltorb" class="mw-redirect" title="Hisuian Voltorb">Hisuian Voltorb</a>, were all introduced in <a href="/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Legends:_Arceus" title="Pokémon Legends: Arceus">Pokémon Legends: Arceus</a> but in different generations. If we followed what you said, they would be on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield</a>, but they aren't. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241016173300-QuicoleJR-20241014170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Quicole is kind of generalizing but a game of introduction is separate from a generation. A generation often starts with a specific pair of games, and multiple games can fall into a generation. I can find some sourcing more specifically backing this up later but they are inherently two separate albeit equally relevant things. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241017124400-Web-julio-20241016173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I definitely concur with Quicole's argument. Species are frequently discussed in the subject of games of origin and are frequently defined by them even in other articles. It's consistent with multiple other things done already, so it's a category that is rather defining and is something that won't be obscurely specific to readers. It's something that can actually be argued as a valid trait of the species, unlike other specific subcats where game of origin oftentimes isn't as necessary or broadly defining. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241014183400-Zxcvbnm-20241014034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y-October_12-20241012034800">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: delete. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020024800-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category talk:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon X and Y (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3APok%C3%A9mon+species+introduced+in+Pok%C3%A9mon+X+and+Y">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Category only contains one item that has an article. The main Pokémon species category is not overly cluttered, and thus this sub-category is not necessary and better off deleted for the time being. Should more X and Y Pokémon get articles, I am unopposed to future recreation, but for the time being it is not necessary and has no immediate use in the near future. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012034800-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment at the time of nomination, this only contained <a href="/wiki/Klefki" title="Klefki">Klefki</a>. It now contains the generation VI list, Klefki, and a large number of redirects. My same argument still applies here; two subjects are not enough for a subcategory when the main category is not suffering from clutter as-is, and is overall unnecessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012035500-Pokelego999-20241012034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>You nominated it while I was populating. Anyways, you created <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Gold and Silver (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Gold and Silver</a>, which only contains three articles and the list. The same happens with <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Scarlet_and_Violet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Cukie_Gherkin" title="User:Cukie Gherkin">Cukie Gherkin</a> (recently, redirects were put in this one). Based on these, I also created <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species_introduced_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon (page does not exist)">Category:Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon</a>, in which each one contains only two articles plus list and three/two redirects. So, all of these are debatable, and I'm sure many people here on CfD would vote them all of these for upmerge. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012041000-Pokelego999-20241012034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Your argument against this category being deleted is that other categories should also be deleted? That's a fairly bizarre argument. In any case, the other categories, while fringe, do provide some navigational utility given four articles would be better off sub-categorized compared to two. Including all of those groups of four and above in the main category would be unwieldy; they're better off organized for the sake of cleanliness and readability. Two articles is nowhere near enough to provide potential category organization issues, and the plethora of redirects are not proper articles, especially when many of them are redirecting to topics often discussed only in brief in the parent article.</dd> <dd>While the RS and SM categories may be iffy in a similar vein, this discussion is pertaining strictly to the XY category, and per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS">Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS</a>, this is not a point we need to worry about for this discussion. I'm admittedly still considering the former two and wish to discuss them further outside of the scope of a CfD as well. For now though, I feel as though this sub-cat still isn't serving a valid navigational or practical benefit, and would likely need at least a few more fully fledged articles before a sub-cat like this would be beneficial for navigational or practical purposes. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012042400-Web-julio-20241012041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERCATSEXIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERCATSEXIST">WP:OTHERCATSEXIST</a> says: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">an appeal to "Other similar category schemes don't – and shouldn't – exist" may be an appropriate argument for arguing for deletion of a category.</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012053800-Pokelego999-20241012042400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And you missed the point in commenting about other categories, because I didn't mention Red and Blue, for example, I indeed assessed the current state of the others, which is precarious as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Web-julio-20241012054100-Web-julio-20241012053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Huh, didn't know there was a separate exception for categories. Then ignore my OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, as it's not relevant to this discussion.</dd> <dd>In any case, I didn't bring up Red and Blue either, and I wasn't arguing anything related to it, so I'm a bit confused about how this relates to my prior arguments. I argued that the current sub-categories were fine for categorical purposes, and that the XY one specifically was not, and you saying "I disagree" doesn't really answer my arguments at all, unless I'm wildly misinterpreting what you're saying here. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012162400-Web-julio-20241012053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Merge - Regardless of any other categories that may exist, 2 articles is still too few for a useful category in my eyes. Let us leave any other potential categories to a different discussion (like the one currently above, for instance). <a href="/wiki/User:(Oinkers42)" title="User:(Oinkers42)">(Oinkers42)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:(Oinkers42)" title="User talk:(Oinkers42)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-(Oinkers42)-20241012113400-Pokelego999-20241012034800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Delete for now. X and Y have a rather limited pool and even among people working on these articles it feels like there's very unlikely to be any articles spun out unlike the other games. While I understand the need to subcategorize, even projects like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SE">WP:SE</a> don't have a subcategory for every Final Fantasy title, as some of them just don't have enough content (case in point, the Final Fantasy V category was only remade her very recently, after the list was recreated). No prejudice if this situation changes at a later time.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kung_Fu_Man" title="User:Kung Fu Man">Kung Fu Man</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kung_Fu_Man" title="User talk:Kung Fu Man">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Kung_Fu_Man-20241012050100-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete Only two articles. I also object to calling all of the Mega Evolutions Gen 6 Pokémon, since they are just temporary transformations, and we wouldn't consider G-Max Pokémon to be a separate species. <a href="/wiki/User:QuicoleJR" title="User:QuicoleJR">QuicoleJR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QuicoleJR" title="User talk:QuicoleJR">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-QuicoleJR-20241012122200-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment, I suppose the delete votes should be read as a partial merge, i.e. by moving the two articles directly under <a href="/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_species" title="Category:Pokémon species">Category:Pokémon species</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241012183900-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's what I'm arguing for at least, and I believe the others are as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Pokelego999" title="User:Pokelego999">Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pokelego999" title="User talk:Pokelego999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pokelego999-20241012214600-Marcocapelle-20241012183900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Delete Overly small and unnecessary as a category. <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Zxcvbnm-20241014034900-Category:Pokémon_species_introduced_in_Pokémon_X_and_Y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:SpaceX_astronauts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:SpaceX_astronauts-October_12-20240917174600">Category:SpaceX astronauts</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Category:SpaceX astronauts">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: no consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013200-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose renaming <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX astronauts">Category:SpaceX astronauts</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:SpaceX-flown_astronauts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:SpaceX-flown astronauts (page does not exist)">Category:SpaceX-flown astronauts</a> or something similar, per discussion on the <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:SpaceX_astronauts" title="Category talk:SpaceX astronauts">Category talk:SpaceX astronauts</a>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Prior to September 2024, all astronauts listed in <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX astronauts">Category:SpaceX astronauts</a> had simply flown on a <a href="/wiki/SpaceX" title="SpaceX">SpaceX</a> <a href="/wiki/Crew_Dragon" class="mw-redirect" title="Crew Dragon">capsule</a> launched on a SpaceX <a href="/wiki/Falcon_9" title="Falcon 9">Falcon 9</a> <a href="/wiki/Launch_vehicle" title="Launch vehicle">launch vehicle</a>. Now, with the completion of the recent private spaceflight mission <a href="/wiki/Polaris_Dawn" title="Polaris Dawn">Polaris Dawn</a>, two SpaceX employees—<a href="/wiki/Sarah_Gillis" title="Sarah Gillis">Sarah Gillis</a> and <a href="/wiki/Anna_Menon" title="Anna Menon">Anna Menon</a>—have been astronauts (while employed by SpaceX) on this recent commercial spaceflight. It would be confusing to categorize the two of them as merely the sense of astronauts who have flown on SpaceX equipment, as they are also SpaceX employees, and are categorized in <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_employee_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX employee astronauts">Category:SpaceX employee astronauts</a>. (more emplyees are planned to fly on future spaceflights). <a href="/wiki/User:N2e" title="User:N2e">N2e</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:N2e" title="User talk:N2e">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-N2e-20240917174600-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Oppose - the current tree <a href="/wiki/Category:Astronauts_by_space_program" title="Category:Astronauts by space program">Astronauts by space program</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX astronauts">SpaceX astronauts</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_employee_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX employee astronauts">SpaceX employee astronauts</a> makes sense. If anything, <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_employee_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX employee astronauts">Category:SpaceX employee astronauts</a> (2) is unnecessary since 1) it is simply an overlap of <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_people" title="Category:SpaceX people">Category:SpaceX people</a> (21) & <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX astronauts">Category:SpaceX astronauts</a> (38), and 2) is not (yet) needed for diffusing either of its parents, but that can be overlooked if it grows quickly enough. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:Tom.Reding" title="User:Tom.Reding">Tom.Reding</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tom.Reding" title="User talk:Tom.Reding">talk</a> ⋅<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DGAF">dgaf</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Tom.Reding-20240922145800-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20240925042400-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004003900-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete and merge its subcategory into <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_people" title="Category:SpaceX people">Category:SpaceX people</a>. "SpaceX" is not a space program, it's a company. And as the nom said, they are not technically "SpaceX astronauts". <a href="/wiki/User:Zxcvbnm" title="User:Zxcvbnm">ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zxcvbnm" title="User talk:Zxcvbnm">ᴛ</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Zxcvbnm-20241004134200-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to tag <a href="/wiki/Category:SpaceX_employee_astronauts" title="Category:SpaceX employee astronauts">Category:SpaceX employee astronauts</a>. Thoughts on zxcvbnm's comment? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012013700-Category:SpaceX_astronauts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:British_patrolwomen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:British_patrolwomen-October_12-20240923232700">Category:British patrolwomen</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Category:British patrolwomen">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete <a href="/wiki/Category:Women_Metropolitan_Police_officers" title="Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers">Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers</a>. Rename <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Women_Merseyside_Police_officers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Women Merseyside Police officers (page does not exist)">Category:Women Merseyside Police officers</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Merseyside_Police_officers" title="Category:Merseyside Police officers">Category:Merseyside Police officers</a> (and add non-women to the category). Merge the rest as nominated. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020024500-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:British_patrolwomen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:British patrolwomen (page does not exist)">Category:British patrolwomen</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:British_women_police_officers" title="Category:British women police officers">Category:British women police officers</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Women_West_Yorkshire_Police_officers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Women West Yorkshire Police officers (page does not exist)">Category:Women West Yorkshire Police officers</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:West_Yorkshire_Police_officers" title="Category:West Yorkshire Police officers">Category:West Yorkshire Police officers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:British_women_police_officers" title="Category:British women police officers">Category:British women police officers</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/wiki/Category:Women_Metropolitan_Police_officers" title="Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers">Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:British_women_police_officers" title="Category:British women police officers">Category:British women police officers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Metropolitan_Police_officers" title="Category:Metropolitan Police officers">Category:Metropolitan Police officers</a></li> <li>Propose merging <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Women_Merseyside_Police_officers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Women Merseyside Police officers (page does not exist)">Category:Women Merseyside Police officers</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:People_from_Merseyside" title="Category:People from Merseyside">Category:People from Merseyside</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:British_women_police_officers" title="Category:British women police officers">Category:British women police officers</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge these intersections doesn't meet the criteria for defining under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EGRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EGRS">WP:EGRS</a>. One note: For Women Merseyside Police officers Either dual upmerge under egrs or broaden to Merseyside Police officers. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20240923232700-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Merge per nom. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240924052000-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep <a href="/wiki/Category:Women_Metropolitan_Police_officers" title="Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers">Category:Women Metropolitan Police officers</a>, which is clearly valuable as a large and notable category. Given the history of women in policing (and in the Met in particular), this is a notable intersection. Merge the rest, but only merge <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Women_Merseyside_Police_officers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Women Merseyside Police officers (page does not exist)">Category:Women Merseyside Police officers</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:British_women_police_officers" title="Category:British women police officers">Category:British women police officers</a>. Note these are non-diffusing categories, so female officers should also be in the parent category for their force anyway. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Necrothesp" title="User talk:Necrothesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Necrothesp-20240926101200-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on Necrothesp's comment? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004154700-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I would need to know more about how the intersection between Women Police officers and the met is defining. Just because they're both important on their own doesn't mean that the intersection is. What does @<a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> think about repurpsong Category:Women Merseyside Police officers to Merseyside Police officers? <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241004213400-HouseBlaster-20241004154700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mason's comment? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012012800-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a>: Thoughts on the above? <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012012900-Category:British_patrolwomen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Fine by me. There are probably enough of them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Necrothesp" title="User talk:Necrothesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Necrothesp-20241014083200-HouseBlaster-20241012012900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem-October_12-20240925080600">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Category:Tourist attractions in Salem">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: merge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_district" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district</a> and turn the category into a dab. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACD">(non-admin closure)</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727" title="User talk:Compassionate727">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Compassionate727-20241026143600-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" title="Category talk:Tourist attractions in Salem">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ATourist+attractions+in+Salem">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: IS empty. The one entry was not relevant, so was deleted <a href="/wiki/User:Isoceles-sai" title="User:Isoceles-sai">Isoceles-sai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isoceles-sai" title="User talk:Isoceles-sai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Isoceles-sai-20240925080600-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Category has been emptied. You know, <a href="/wiki/User:Isoceles-sai" title="User:Isoceles-sai">Isoceles-sai</a>, you can tag empty categories CSD C1 and that won't entail a week-long (or longer) discussion. There is really no point of having a discussion about an empty category. <a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz">Read!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz">Talk!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Liz-20240925081900-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Category is added in multiple articles which is relevant to the category. So no need to delete the category. <a href="/wiki/User:MVDR_Enthusiast" title="User:MVDR Enthusiast">MVDR Enthusiast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MVDR_Enthusiast" title="User talk:MVDR Enthusiast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-MVDR_Enthusiast-20240925145000-Liz-20240925081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>KEEP. Looks like the Category was under construction. Sorry. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Isoceles-sai" title="User:Isoceles-sai">Isoceles-sai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isoceles-sai#top" title="User talk:Isoceles-sai">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Isoceles-sai" title="Special:Contributions/Isoceles-sai">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Isoceles-sai-20240925162600-Liz-20240925081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Rename to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Tamil_Nadu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu (page does not exist)">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu</a>, aligning with parent and sibling categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240925163100-Liz-20240925081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Weak keep: There is already a category of <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_district" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district</a> and most of the entries added to the new category are a copy paste from the old category. Most of it is located in Salem district rather than the town/city itself and has been deleted. Weak keep as there are still a few entries relevant to it and I have added it as a subcategory to the original category. <a href="/wiki/User:Magentic_Manifestations" title="User:Magentic Manifestations">Magentic Manifestations</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magentic_Manifestations" title="User talk:Magentic Manifestations">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Magentic_Manifestations-20240926062600-Liz-20240925081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Thanks, then it should be merged to <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_district" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district</a> rather than renamed. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241004070700-Magentic_Manifestations-20240926062600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>Comment - If kept, it should be moved over to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Tamil_Nadu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu (page does not exist)">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu</a> to both align with its parent and sibling categories, and to avoid confusion for other Salems, such as <a href="/wiki/Salem,_Massachusetts" title="Salem, Massachusetts">Salem, Massachusetts</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:(Oinkers42)" title="User:(Oinkers42)">(Oinkers42)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:(Oinkers42)" title="User talk:(Oinkers42)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-(Oinkers42)-20240926180900-Liz-20240925081900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004002300-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Rename? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012011000-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Merge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_district" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pppery-20241018035500-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Merge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_district" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem district</a>. <a href="/wiki/Servarayan_Hills" title="Servarayan Hills">Servarayan Hills</a> does not appear to belong in this more specific category, and that leaves two members making this category unhelpful for navigation. If kept – for which I do not advocate – rename to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Tamil_Nadu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu (page does not exist)">Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Tamil Nadu</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013600-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Purge the mountains then merge and disambiguate between Salem district, <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem_County,_New_Jersey" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem County, New Jersey">Salem County, New Jersey</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Massachusetts" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Massachusetts">Salem, Massachusetts</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Oregon" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Oregon">Salem, Oregon</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem,_Virginia" title="Category:Tourist attractions in Salem, Virginia">Salem, Virginia</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Fayenatic_london-20241020081500-Category:Tourist_attractions_in_Salem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Agree with FL on the need for a {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Category_disambiguation" title="Template:Category disambiguation">category disambiguation</a>}}. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020150400-Fayenatic_london-20241020081500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:11th-century_Somali_people" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:11th-century_Somali_people-October_12-20240924231600">Category:11th-century Somali people</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Category:11th-century Somali people">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: merge to <a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_Somali_people" title="Category:Ethnic Somali people">Category:Ethnic Somali people</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:10th-century_African_people" title="Category:10th-century African people">Category:10th-century African people</a> / <a href="/wiki/Category:11th-century_African_people" title="Category:11th-century African people">Category:11th-century African people</a> (as applicable). <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020150600-Category:11th-century_Somali_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose renaming <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:11th-century_Somali_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:11th-century Somali people (page does not exist)">Category:11th-century Somali people</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:11th-century_Somalian_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:11th-century Somalian people (page does not exist)">Category:11th-century Somalian people</a></li> <li>Propose renaming <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:10th-century_Somali_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:10th-century Somali people (page does not exist)">Category:10th-century Somali people</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:10th-century_Somalian_people&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:10th-century Somalian people (page does not exist)">Category:10th-century Somalian people</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Opposed for speedy.C2C: parent is Somalian people by century, but @<a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>: makes good points that "Category:Ethnic Somali people and the country Somalia did not exist yet in the 11th and 12th century. " <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20240924231600-Category:11th-century_Somali_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>This is a bit problematic because there is also <a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_Somali_people" title="Category:Ethnic Somali people">Category:Ethnic Somali people</a> and the country Somalia did not exist yet in the 11th and 12th century. On top of that it is unclear whether Somalian would include or exclude current <a href="/wiki/Somaliland" title="Somaliland">Somaliland</a>. So I think it is better to re-parent these categories, move them from the Somalian to the Ethnic Somali tree. Also rename the 13th to 19th century categories to "Somali". For example in the 13th century category there is someone in the Maldives who was probably an ethnic Somali. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240925052000-Category:11th-century_Somali_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004004800-Category:11th-century_Somali_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012010400-Category:11th-century_Somali_people" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think that they should either be renamed per above or merged to <a href="/wiki/Category:Ethnic_Somali_people" title="Category:Ethnic Somali people">Category:Ethnic Somali people</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:10th-century_African_people_by_nationality" title="Category:10th-century African people by nationality">10th-century African people</a>/<a href="/wiki/Category:10th-century_African_people_by_nationality" title="Category:10th-century African people by nationality">11th-century African people</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241012222500-HouseBlaster-20241012010400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>: thoughts on the above? <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020024200-Smasongarrison-20241012222500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>We surely can merge these two categories because of their small size (but that isn't going to be a solution for later centuries). <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241020055400-HouseBlaster-20241020024200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. 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No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Members_of_the_Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Members_of_the_Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre-October_12">Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre">edit</a>]</div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/16px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="16" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/24px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Symbol_move_vote.svg/32px-Symbol_move_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Relisted, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_17#Category:Members_of_the_Order_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 17">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 17#Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)-October_12-20241004150700">Category:Solent_University (and sub-categories)</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Category:Solent_University (and sub-categories)">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: rename. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020014700-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Propose amending <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Solent_University&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Solent University (page does not exist)">Category:Solent_University</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Southampton_Solent_University" title="Category:Southampton Solent University">Category:Southampton_Solent_University</a></li> <li>Propose amending <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:People_associated_with_Solent_University&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:People associated with Solent University (page does not exist)">Category:People_associated_with_Solent_University</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:People_associated_with_Southampton_Solent_University" title="Category:People associated with Southampton Solent University">Category:People_associated_with_Southampton_Solent_University</a></li> <li>Propose amending <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Academics_of_Solent_University&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Academics of Solent University (page does not exist)">Category:Academics_of_Solent_University</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Academics_of_Southampton_Solent_University" title="Category:Academics of Southampton Solent University">Category:Academics_of_Southampton_Solent_University</a></li> <li>Propose amending <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Alumni_of_Solent_University&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Alumni of Solent University (page does not exist)">Category:Alumni_of_Solent_University</a> to <a href="/wiki/Category:Alumni_of_Southampton_Solent_University" title="Category:Alumni of Southampton Solent University">Category:Alumni_of_Southampton_Solent_University</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: The university has changed its name and the alumni category link on the wikipedia page has been incorrectly updated, so is currently going to a blank category page <a href="/wiki/User:Mystery_Cat" title="User:Mystery Cat">Mystery Cat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mystery_Cat" title="User talk:Mystery Cat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Mystery_Cat-20241004150700-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What do you mean a Blank Category page? <a href="/wiki/User:Smasongarrison" title="User:Smasongarrison">Mason</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smasongarrison" title="User talk:Smasongarrison">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Smasongarrison-20241004213400-Mystery_Cat-20241004150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Apologies. I mean a category page which hasn't been created yet - they changed the name in the link without checking if that category existed. It's 'see also' at <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_Solent_University#Notable_alumni">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_Solent_University#Notable_alumni</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mystery_Cat" title="User:Mystery Cat">Mystery Cat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mystery_Cat" title="User talk:Mystery Cat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Mystery_Cat-20241007092500-Smasongarrison-20241004213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Alt Rename without the underscores, which I think was the intent. I don't see a formal RM but the rename is confirmed <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://students.solent.ac.uk/news/new-name-as-southampton-solent-university-celebrates-its-city-roots">here</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:RevelationDirect" title="User:RevelationDirect">RevelationDirect</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevelationDirect" title="User talk:RevelationDirect">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RevelationDirect-20241007185200-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: None of these were tagged; I will do so now. I will note that on Wikipedia, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Example_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Example page (page does not exist)">Example page</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Example_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Example page (page does not exist)">Example_page</a> are equivalent (just like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Example_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Example page (page does not exist)">Example page</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Example_page&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Example page (page does not exist)">example page</a> are equivalent). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012005900-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Weak oppose based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>. The official name might have changed but it's far more commonly referred to still as just Solent University - even their own website repeatedly refers to themselves as just "Solent" or "Solent University" without the "Southampton". <a href="/wiki/User:Waggers" title="User:Waggers">Waggers</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waggers" title="User talk:Waggers">TALK</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Waggers-20241017101700-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Rename as long as the article is at <a href="/wiki/Southampton_Solent_University" title="Southampton Solent University">Southampton Solent University</a> the categories should be too. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">it has begun...</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Pppery-20241018035500-Category:Solent_University_(and_sub-categories)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:NCT_Wish_albums" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:NCT_Wish_albums-October_12-20240924035500">Category:NCT Wish albums</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Category:NCT Wish albums">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: no consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020013700-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/wiki/Category:NCT_Wish_albums" title="Category:NCT Wish albums">Category:NCT Wish albums</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:NCT_Wish_albums&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:NCT_Wish_albums" title="Category talk:NCT Wish albums">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:NCT_Wish_albums&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:NCT_Wish_albums">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:NCT_Wish_albums&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ANCT+Wish+albums">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Two redirects which are articles already in <a href="/wiki/Category:NCT_Wish_songs" title="Category:NCT Wish songs">Category:NCT Wish songs</a>. Information provided in the song articles do not further elaborate on the single albums to justify both albums and songs categories. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars" title="User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240924035500-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Wait some discussion needs to happen elsewhere as to whether the two articles should be reclassified as "single albums" rather than just "single" - I believe for consistency sake they should probably be migrated to the “single album” format which would be valid for this category.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Either way, the artist has an EP being released in about 5 hours that will inevitably have an article created in the extremely near future (within hours) that will belong in this category which could change the direction of this deletion discussion before the nomination can run its course. No point in going through a week worth of deletion discussion if by the end of it the nomination rationale that all the votes are based upon will no longer be valid. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20240924041000-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Keep - <a href="/wiki/Steady_(NCT_Wish_EP)" class="mw-redirect" title="Steady (NCT Wish EP)">Steady (NCT Wish EP)</a> has now been created and added to the category. There are now multiple articles using this category. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20240924080600-RachelTensions-20240924041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Conditional support, as long as there aren't articles the category can be deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240924044400-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> There are now articles. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20240924160500-Marcocapelle-20240924044400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Fair enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240924185200-RachelTensions-20240924160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></li> <li>Comment: <a href="/wiki/Category:NCT_Wish_EPs" title="Category:NCT Wish EPs">Category:NCT Wish EPs</a> is now created and I moved the <a href="/wiki/Steady_(EP)" title="Steady (EP)">Steady (EP)</a> there. Should this cat be deleted even though there's now a subcat? <a href="/wiki/User:98Tigerius" class="mw-redirect" title="User:98Tigerius">98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:98Tigerius" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:98Tigerius">[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-98Tigerius-20240925051100-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Two redirects and a subcategory as of relisting. Is this enough to keep the category? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004191700-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: See above relisting comment Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012005400-Category:NCT_Wish_albums" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Category:Riize" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Riize-October_12-20240924035800">Category:Riize</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Category:Riize">edit</a>]</div> <div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;"> <dl><dd>The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's <a href="/wiki/Help:Using_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Using talk pages">talk page</a> or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review">deletion review</a>). No further edits should be made to this section.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was: keep. – <a href="/wiki/User:Fayenatic_london" title="User:Fayenatic london">Fayenatic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">London</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Fayenatic_london-20241023104000-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Propose deleting <a href="/wiki/Category:Riize" title="Category:Riize">Category:Riize</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Riize&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Riize" title="Category talk:Riize">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Riize&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/:Category:Riize">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Riize&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=%3ACategory%3ARiize">logs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>Nominator's rationale: Only album articles which are already sufficiently categorized in an albums subcategory for the group. This is an unnecessary eponymous parent per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OCEPON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OCEPON">WP:OCEPON</a>. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars" title="User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240924035800-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><s>Keep: as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATMAIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATMAIN">WP:CATMAIN</a>.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:98Tigerius" class="mw-redirect" title="User:98Tigerius">98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:98Tigerius" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:98Tigerius">[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-98Tigerius-20240924042700-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><s>Delete, this is an obvious case of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OCEPON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OCEPON">WP:OCEPON</a>. Artists only have an eponymous category if there are some articles about them personally, which is not often the case.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20240924043500-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Updated vote rationale see below. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241003062100-Marcocapelle-20240924043500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATMAIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATMAIN">WP:CATMAIN</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20240924043900-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>CATMAIN does not provide any rationale for keeping eponymous categories but simply provides instructions on how to categorize articles within an eponymous category should one exist. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars" title="User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20240924055100-RachelTensions-20240924043900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete per nom. <a href="/wiki/User:Omnis_Scientia" title="User:Omnis Scientia">Omnis Scientia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Omnis_Scientia" title="User talk:Omnis Scientia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Omnis_Scientia-20240924094400-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment: This category has been expanded, with several new articles and subcategories added since this nomination was opened. May warrant re-evaluation. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20240929150300-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The new subcat are just image files, which would already be placed in individual articles, and the group would be more defining to SM Rookies than the other way around. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars" title="User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20241001005100-RachelTensions-20240929150300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There have been 4 subcats added to the root category: <a href="/wiki/Category:Riize_songs" title="Category:Riize songs">Category:Riize songs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Riize_EPs" title="Category:Riize EPs">Category:Riize EPs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Riize_album_covers" title="Category:Riize album covers">Category:Riize album covers</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Category:Riize_audio_samples" title="Category:Riize audio samples">Category:Riize audio samples</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20241002051800-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20241001005100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Another article was just created & added. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20241003060700-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20241001005100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Delete, the albums and songs categories already link to each other (as usual), <a href="/wiki/SM_Rookies" title="SM Rookies">SM Rookies</a> does not belong in this category, that leaves only one spin-off article next to the eponymous article and they already refer to each other directly. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241003061700-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>So would all the subcats just have no parent cat? <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20241003062900-Marcocapelle-20241003061700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Correct, all information about this topic is interlinked anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marcocapelle" title="User talk:Marcocapelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Marcocapelle-20241003174000-RachelTensions-20241003062900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2024_October_4#Category:Riize" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 October 4">Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Riize</a>. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241004211900-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I neglected to ping people. Relisting this time with a ping. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012005300-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (page does not exist)">Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Omnis_Scientia" title="User:Omnis Scientia">Omnis Scientia</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Windborne_Rider" title="User:Windborne Rider">Windborne Rider</a>: thoughts on whether the category has been sufficiently populated? <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241012005400-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I still lean delete per @<a href="/wiki/User:Marcocapelle" title="User:Marcocapelle">Marcocapelle</a>'s reasoning above. <a href="/wiki/User:Omnis_Scientia" title="User:Omnis Scientia">Omnis Scientia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Omnis_Scientia" title="User talk:Omnis Scientia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Omnis_Scientia-20241012193400-HouseBlaster-20241012005400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>I am going to support keeping this category. {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Riize" title="Template:Riize">Riize</a>}} should be removed from this category per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization#Template_categorization" title="Wikipedia:Categorization">Wikipedia:Categorization § Template categorization</a> (which says templates should only be in subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_templates" title="Category:Wikipedia templates">Category:Wikipedia templates</a>), but otherwise this looks like a well-populated category: Four subcategoties, two articles, and a file for good measure. <a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">House</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster" title="Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster">Blaster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HouseBlaster" title="User talk:HouseBlaster">talk</a> • he/they) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-HouseBlaster-20241020014500-Category:Riize" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Fixed, thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-RachelTensions-20241020014900-HouseBlaster-20241020014500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:HouseBlaster" title="User:HouseBlaster">HouseBlaster</a>: I am willing to concede to keeping this one. I don't think the categorization here of image and audio files, subcategorized or not, justify an eponymous category since they are contained with the articles within the category. However, the addition of an article on a tour by the group adds a bit more substance (albeit minimally) to allow for the category's existence. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars" title="User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-20241022194800-HouseBlaster-20241020014500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <dl><dd>The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. 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