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href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/" rel="bookmark" title=" Webber gets five-place penalty for gearbox change">Webber gets five-place penalty for gearbox change</a></h2> <h3 class="subtitle">2012 Belgian Grand Prix</h3> <div class="article-meta"> <div class="article-date">August 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm by <a rel="author" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" title="Keith Collantine">Keith Collantine</a></div> <div class="article-comments"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/#comments" class="comments-link" title="Comment on Webber gets five-place penalty for gearbox change">58 comments</a> </div> </div> <div class="entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/2012-belgian-grand-prix-practice-pictures/f1-grand-prix-of-belgium-practice-24/" rel="attachment wp-att-63665"><img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/redb-webb-spaf-2012-8-470x313.jpg" alt="Mark Webber, Red Bull, Spa-Francorchamps, 2012" title="Mark Webber, Red Bull, Spa-Francorchamps, 2012" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-63665"/></a><a title="Mark Webber" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/mark-webber/">Mark Webber</a> will lose five places on the grid for the Belgian Grand Prix.</p> <p>The <a title="Red Bull" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-information/f1-teams/red-bull/">Red Bull</a> driver will have to change his gearbox ahead of the race and his current unit has not yet done the required five consecutive races.</p> <p>The penalty will be Webber’s second in three races – he suffered the same misfortune at the German Grand Prix.</p> <h4>2012 Belgian Grand Prix</h4> <p><ul class="lcp_catlist"><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/15/button-wins-belgian-gp-driver-weekend-vote/" title="Button wins Belgian GP Driver of the Weekend vote">Button wins Belgian GP Driver of the Weekend vote</a> </li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/14/rate-race-result-2012-belgian-grand-prix/" title="Rate the Race Result: 2012 Belgian Grand Prix">Rate the Race Result: 2012 Belgian Grand Prix</a> </li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/fans-video-shows-maldonados-crash-glock/" title="Fan's video shows Maldonado's crash with Glock">Fan's video shows Maldonado's crash with Glock</a> </li><li><a 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class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/magnificent-geoffrey/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Magnificent Geoffrey</a> (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058859"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 19:40</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Why does it always have to be Australia’s Mark Webbah? :(</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058859#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058859", "1058859", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16059" title="Report 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</p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>If Webber didn’t have bad luck, he wouldn’t have any luck at all.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058868#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058868", "1058868", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="8481" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-maciek even depth-3" id="comment-1058871"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/maciek/" rel="nofollow"> <img 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class="comment-entry"> <p>I agree, Webber is getting a lot of KERS and gearbox problems, Vettel is unlucky sometimes but not in the way Webber is, please can you remember the last time Vettel started a weekend with a penalty he has only had failures during races, my paranoia tells me they have been changing parts this past couple years, it’s impossible 2 equal cars, break down is such different ways.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058891#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058891", "1058891", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-juij even depth-3" id="comment-1058893"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/juij/" rel="nofollow"> <img 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Yes Webbo does have bad luck but he had it all his carrier not just at RB, people play it up because of British GP 2010 and all the other rubbish conspiracy theories.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058899#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058899", "1058899", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-4" id="comment-1058903"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c9edd50cee49e3c93f86532968c7773b?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> brny666 said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058903"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 21:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>That’s career not carrier . I have not idea what I was thinking writing that</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058903#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058903", "1058903", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-hohum odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1058907"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hohum/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/159953ea7fcae9f65fe05fe54562cb8d?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-47590-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hohum/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">HoHum</a> (@hohum) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058907"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 22:05</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>bmy666, sadly it’s true, in 2010 we thought his luck had finally changed but we know how that turned out.<br/> No doubt some-one is going to post a comment stating that gear-box management has always been a part of F1.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058907#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058907", "1058907", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="47590" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-jeanrien even depth-5" id="comment-1058948"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/62903/05e091bd4a4043394da9e845047a3be4-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-62903-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jeanrien</a> (@jeanrien) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058948"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 0:16</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>No but seeing that this gearbox has only done 3 race week end, we could effectively wonder if they don’t swap the gearbox between Mark and Seb (even if it’s very unlikely as they probably have registration number and FIA knows on which car it’s beeing used, or do they ? ^^ )<br/> But that’s quite a huge contrast between Webber and Vettel, it seems everything happen to one of them and nothing to the other, quite strange … One god is more efficient than the other</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1059059"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/56e22631ae8c9fb3bd7b33b598787ec4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> davidnotcoulthard said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059059"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 10:07</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hohum/" rel="nofollow">@hohum</a><br/> Gear-box management has always been a part of F1.</p> <p>Happy now (Ha..ha..!…)?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment even depth-5" id="comment-1059104"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c9edd50cee49e3c93f86532968c7773b?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> brny666 said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059104"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 11:48</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="nofollow">@jeanrien</a> – and there is one of those theories again. Of-course they have the Gearboxes numbered and written down which car it was allocated to otherwise they could change them around all they want.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-vettel1 odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1058917"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/vettel1/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/64922/06bdbd961e142b33e8813cbe52d3876a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64922-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/vettel1/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Max Jacobson</a> (@vettel1) said on <a 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class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/catracho504/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">JB</a> (@catracho504) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058934"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 23:32</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/vettel1/" rel="nofollow">@vettel1</a></p> <p>You say it´s due to tight packaging but, I have yet to see Vettel´s car have gearbox “problems”…<br/> Mark should have waited a bit more before signing that contract… :/</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058934#respond" onclick="return 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rel="external nofollow" class="url">Nicholas Sunderland</a> (@brazil2007) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058956"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 0:59</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/catracho504/" rel="nofollow">@catracho504</a> So what happened to Vettel’s car in Valencia, then?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058956#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058956", "1058956", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="67421" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1058979"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/b243f65144a72aa5c70c17f86b0d411c?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Drop Valencia! said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058979"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 3:04</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>The alternator……..</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-vettel1 even depth-4" id="comment-1059029"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/vettel1/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/64922/06bdbd961e142b33e8813cbe52d3876a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64922-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/vettel1/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Max Jacobson</a> (@vettel1) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059029"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 8:37</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/catracho504/" rel="nofollow">@catracho504</a> – Vettel’s cars’ alternator failed whilst leading, costing him 25 points. I think Mark has had more “luck” in having gearbox changes.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059029#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059029", "1059029", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="64922" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-blackmamba odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1059031"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/48e27218b37a1c0eb42b4600a9f9ba0f?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64072-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Blackmamba</a> (@blackmamba) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059031"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 8:56</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>He should swap stories with Schumacher over a beer. Should make for an interesting conversation!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1058860"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058860"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 19:43</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I guess Red Bull is taking some risks to have the fastest car package. Does not make it easy for him to keep in the championship fight this way.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058860#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058860", "1058860", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bosyber odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1059035"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bosyber/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/cb8f0ed519a0f166b53f0e4f86dabdf5?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-26394-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bosyber/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">bosyber</a> (@bosyber) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059035"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:09</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Indeed, while the Valencia alternator failure was seemingly a Renault related issue (though tight packaging might have played a role at RBR and Lotus), these gearbox issues, and the still occasionally happening KERS problems (we usually only hear of that afterwards, but I think Vettel had an issue with it in a race too this year, and Webber in Canada I think?) are a risk they are taking; with them in 2nd and 3rd, arguably it hasn’t served them all that poorly so far.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059035#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059035", "1059035", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="26394" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-eastlondoner even thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1058861"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eastlondoner/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/9de6525c96e1e2ba515fa7213cbfb68c?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=50&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-68157-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eastlondoner/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">East Londoner</a> (@eastlondoner) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058861"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 19:44</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>What a load of crap. Arbitary rules.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058861#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058861", "1058861", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="68157" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-jeanrien odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1058950"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/62903/05e091bd4a4043394da9e845047a3be4-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-62903-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Jeanrien</a> (@jeanrien) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058950"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 0:18</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yep, don’t know why they don’t do the same kind of thing than for the engines … You have a certain allocation of gearbox for the year and do as you wish with those.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058950#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058950", "1058950", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="62903" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-blackmamba even depth-3" id="comment-1059032"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/48e27218b37a1c0eb42b4600a9f9ba0f?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64072-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Blackmamba</a> (@blackmamba) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059032"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 8:58</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>It’s a rule designed to control costs and allow for a more level playing field for the HRTs of this world. I think it’s sensible, no?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059032#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059032", "1059032", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="64072" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bosyber odd alt depth-4" id="comment-1059037"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bosyber/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/cb8f0ed519a0f166b53f0e4f86dabdf5?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-26394-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bosyber/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">bosyber</a> (@bosyber) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059037"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:10</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>But so is the engine rule, as @jearnrien implies, so it remains a bit arbitrary doesn’t it <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow">@blackmamba</a>? I would like if they used similar rules as for the engine for more parts, not the least the gearbox.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059037#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059037", "1059037", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="26394" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb even depth-4" id="comment-1059038"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059038"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:17</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yes, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow">@blackmamba</a>, but what <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/jeanrien/" rel="nofollow">@jeanrien</a> proposes would serve the purpose of saving cost as much as the current system (a gb lastig 5 races means its 4 gearboxes per year with 20 races) so if we gave them 4 (or maybe 1 extra for race ending accidents etc.) pieces for the season it would not cost a penny more.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059038#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059038", "1059038", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-yobo01 odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1058874"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/yobo01/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/25909/e295babd160df7893a0107fd4e041c3a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-25909-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/yobo01/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Yobo01</a> (@yobo01) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058874"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 20:22</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Again? Seriously, what does he do to the poor gearboxes?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058874#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058874", "1058874", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="25909" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-andrewtanner even depth-2" id="comment-1058879"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/andrewtanner/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/18121/aef0618ae60ed259dfe144818957e0dc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-18121-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/andrewtanner/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">AndrewTanner</a> (@andrewtanner) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058879"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 20:39</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/yobo01/" rel="nofollow">@yobo01</a> Most likely because things are so tightly packed at the rear of the car these days. There’s been loads this year.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058879#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058879", "1058879", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="18121" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-suka odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1059034"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/suka/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/51902/8654c51223e29de077b4931af60edb48-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-51902-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/suka/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">suka</a> (@suka) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059034"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:04</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Maybe they’re squeezing in something new and having only Mark test it. I’ve always felt as if Ferrari uses Massa to try and test “risky” new parts and if something goes wrong, too bad for the #2.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059034#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059034", "1059034", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="51902" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1058918"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/46ea712c1e5453e1fb7b3712f9c56b43?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> Nickpkr said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058918"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 22:21</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Or he gets vettel’s ….</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058918#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058918", "1058918", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-prisoner-monkeys odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1058939"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/10605/74136710624b9aafc78a7d146a908b5d-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-10605-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Prisoner Monkeys</a> (@prisoner-monkeys) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058939"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 23:46</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Nope – each driver gets an allocation of gearboxes at the start of the year. The team can’t swap gearboxes between the cars once the allocation is set. If they did, they would take a huge penalty.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058939#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058939", "1058939", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="10605" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-blackmamba even depth-4" id="comment-1059033"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/48e27218b37a1c0eb42b4600a9f9ba0f?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64072-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Blackmamba</a> (@blackmamba) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059033"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:00</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Can someone tell me when it is going to be Alonso’s turn. He is overdue some bad luck!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059033#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059033", "1059033", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="64072" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment odd alt depth-5" id="comment-1059061"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/56e22631ae8c9fb3bd7b33b598787ec4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> davidnotcoulthard said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059061"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 10:11</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Back in the start of the season, except Malaysia?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment even depth-5" id="comment-1059062"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/56e22631ae8c9fb3bd7b33b598787ec4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> davidnotcoulthard said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059062"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 10:12</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I hope I was wrong, though…</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-mpw1985 odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1058878"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/mpw1985/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/61379/5da52a89c21d3e988b73cf68319c74dc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-61379-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/mpw1985/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">MylesW</a> (@mpw1985) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058878"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 20:39</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I’ve said it about 10 times so far this year, and I’ll say it again: this is the dumbest and least fair rule in F1. To punish an athlete, in any sport, for something completely random and out of his control is just ridiculously unfair. The FIA needs to find a way to keep costs down, certainly, but there have to be better solutions than this.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058878#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058878", "1058878", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="61379" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-spinmastermic even depth-2" id="comment-1058884"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/spinmastermic/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/57946/e471804c1e937f8eefe0772832038733-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-57946-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/spinmastermic/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Spinmastermic</a> (@spinmastermic) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058884"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 21:03</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I agree. Why can’t they get one free gearbox change per season??</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058884#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058884", "1058884", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="57946" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-prisoner-monkeys odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1058937"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/10605/74136710624b9aafc78a7d146a908b5d-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-10605-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/prisoner-monkeys/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Prisoner Monkeys</a> (@prisoner-monkeys) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058937"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 23:43</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>They used to, but the rule was scrapped for this year. I have no idea why. But even if the rule had been kept, it would make no difference – Webber would have used his one free change in Germany, and so would still take a five-place grid penalty here.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058937#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058937", "1058937", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="10605" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-alexanderfin even depth-2" id="comment-1058889"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/alexanderfin/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/927a2d8d33911b993e8432090deafb17?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-65814-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/alexanderfin/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Alexander Jansson</a> (@alexanderfin) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058889"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 21:12</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I think it is fair because it’s a teamsport, the penalty is as bad for the team as for Mark. And the rule is to save money, otherwise big teams would have a new gearbox for almost every session on the track. Therefore it is a great rule to make the sport more equal to all teams.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058889#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058889", "1058889", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="65814" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-palle odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1058922"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/palle/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/946defdb447b557bd82cd124acc7e449?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-18600-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/palle/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Palle</a> (@palle) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058922"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 22:25</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>+1<br/> Its a team-sport and the life of the gearbox isn’t totally out of the pilots control. The driving skills can be quite decisive to the life span of certain components, but off course the team has to try to provide equipment, which will be able to survive the pressure from each individual driver.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058922#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058922", "1058922", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="18600" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-4" id="comment-1059065"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/56e22631ae8c9fb3bd7b33b598787ec4?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> davidnotcoulthard said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059065"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 10:25</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yes, but<del> F1</del> Motor Racing with teams in it is a team sport in which the driver’s title are of a much bigger amount of importance compared to, say, being the Top Scorer in a season (I might be wrong, though). This might be a good way to put it: Is Newey as well known as Mansell? Is (G.) Murray as well known as Prost or (A.)Senna? Is Flavio as well known than Alonso or M. Schumacher? Do we know the name of the McLaren gunman that messed up McLaren’s pitstops? I might be wrong, but the answer will most of the time be, probably, “No”.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059065#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059065", "1059065", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-andrewtanner odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1058880"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/andrewtanner/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/18121/aef0618ae60ed259dfe144818957e0dc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-18121-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/andrewtanner/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">AndrewTanner</a> (@andrewtanner) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058880"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 20:41</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>F1 Gearboxes ‘R Us Ltd. must be loving 2012.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058880#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058880", "1058880", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="18121" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-nickj95gb even depth-2" id="comment-1058900"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/nickj95gb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d9b6cda0874f0b38758e661efb3512b3?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=25&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-67728-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/nickj95gb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Nick Jarvis</a> (@nickj95gb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058900"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 21:44</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>+1 haha :)</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058900#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058900", "1058900", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="67728" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-david-a odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1058908"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/david-a/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/9052/51fce63b26e1ac340cca78358e940bac-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-9052-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/david-a/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">David-A</a> (@david-a) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058908"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 22:11</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>They changed the rule over engines so that you get X amount per season before getting a penalty. Why not do the same for gearboxes?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058908#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058908", "1058908", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="9052" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-magnificent-geoffrey even depth-2" id="comment-1058915"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/magnificent-geoffrey/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16059/94ed15e75dacfd67f77c05d5e0c79dae-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar 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rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/72972639b77370aaaed209f309326c0d?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> BBQ2 said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059082"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 11:25</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yeah, it was from me ….. and I still stand by it …..</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059082#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059082", "1059082", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1059039"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059039"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:18</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>i have said the same before, and will say it any time that this would make far more sense to do.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059039#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059039", "1059039", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-andrewtanner even depth-2" id="comment-1059052"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/andrewtanner/" rel="nofollow"> <img 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I don’t mind the rule. It’s another headache for the engineers and designers to worry about.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059052#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059052", "1059052", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="18121" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment odd alt depth-2" id="comment-1059379"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/33484/ed825a4b0ed869035d2acaf8ac268baa-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-33484-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> xeroxpt (@) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059379"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 23:37</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/david-a/" rel="nofollow">@david-a</a> This rules has been instated to take away the workload from the mechanics, gearboxes are the worst single mechanical component to work with, there are so many wear and tear parts that make them simply irreparable.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059379#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059379", "1059379", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-hydrouk even thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1058914"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hydrouk/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/63614/23cb01718952267bfe94f0992ad8e442-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-63614-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/hydrouk/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Hydro</a> (@hydrouk) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058914"><span class="time-since">31st August 2012, 22:16</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Another day, another dead gearbox.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058914#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058914", "1058914", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="63614" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-ming-mong odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1058951"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/50015/09bc4dc781e279169df591a07f6974b8-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-50015-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">mingmong</a> (@ming-mong) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1058951"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 0:33</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>*********</p> <p>Shumi & Kamui dont get one as they didn’t finish in Hungry. Seriously whoever come up with these ridiculous rules. About time the drivers voiced up for themselves & the fans. I cant remember a race this year were at least one driver does not receive this penalty. Simply cap it like the engines and maybe we will get the spectacle we were supposed to receive.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1058951#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1058951", "1058951", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="50015" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-keithcollantine bypostauthor even depth-2" id="comment-1059027"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/1/cf2b80881ec29f3d7a7c3e63ed49c6bc-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-1-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/keithcollantine/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Keith Collantine</a> (@keithcollantine) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059027"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 8:28</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="nofollow">@ming-mong</a></p> <blockquote><p>I can’t remember a race this year where at least one driver does not receive this penalty.</p></blockquote> <p>Try the last race: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/07/28/2012-hungarian-grand-prix-grid/" rel="nofollow">2012 Hungarian Grand Prix grid</a></p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059027#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059027", "1059027", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-ming-mong odd alt depth-3" id="comment-1059648"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/50015/09bc4dc781e279169df591a07f6974b8-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-50015-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/ming-mong/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">mingmong</a> (@ming-mong) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059648"><span class="time-since">2nd September 2012, 15:52</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Alright Keith your the man! Everything we all want to be. It must feel good to wake up and look into the mirror and see what you see. What more can I say, you are a talent, an educator and a bloke of all blokes. King Keith! </p> <p>If only I could be as good as you…</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059648#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059648", "1059648", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="50015" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-bascb even depth-2" id="comment-1059040"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/16036/e38ca0c3ce4ada4341bbd088d580aab0-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-16036-avatar" width="25" height="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/bascb/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">BasCB</a> (@bascb) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059040"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:20</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Yes, it seem Webber himself told the press they had known about having to change it all the way since that Hungarian race, as it was to do with his clutch issue in that race. But better to finish in the strong points there, and get a penalty here, than not to finish at all, right?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059040#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059040", "1059040", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="16036" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-eggry odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1059002"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eggry/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/20074/22d783b729df6ba1531b09f5e02b137a-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-20074-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/eggry/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Eggry</a> (@eggry) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059002"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 5:26</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Why always Webber?</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059002#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059002", "1059002", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="20074" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1059085"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/72972639b77370aaaed209f309326c0d?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> BBQ2 said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059085"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 11:27</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>….. because he is an Aussie? ;)</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059085#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059085", "1059085", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-blackmamba odd alt thread-even depth-1" id="comment-1059036"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/48e27218b37a1c0eb42b4600a9f9ba0f?d=http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/buddypress/bp-core/images/mystery-man.jpg&s=50&r=G" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-64072-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/blackmamba/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">Blackmamba</a> (@blackmamba) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059036"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:09</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>I think it’s Alonso’s dalliance with black magic that’s causing havoc on the grid. Anyone who Threatens the CHOSEN ONE suffers some horrific and random bad luck!<br/> Ask Vettel and especially Hamilton.<br/> They all need to consult with an exorcist if they are to have any chance at the title!!!!!</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059036#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059036", "1059036", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="64072" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> <ul class="children"> <li class="comment even depth-2" id="comment-1059378"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="" rel="nofollow"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/71327ea26453b8ce137cdf6187c11e02?s=25&d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D25&r=G" class="avatar avatar-25 photo" height="25" width="25"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> tasimana said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059378"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 23:33</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>That’s gold. Probably uses that in his Hexes too. Your right in that Alonso always seems to make his own luck and despite apparently driving beyond the limits of the car</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059378#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059378", "1059378", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a> </div> </div> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="comment byuser comment-author-formula-1 odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1" id="comment-1059047"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/formula-1/" rel="nofollow"> <img src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/avatars/43886/69802ed8a5c22aa4a02ad2d8f2622e0e-bpthumb.jpg" alt="Avatar Image" class="avatar user-43886-avatar" width="50" height="50"/> </a> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content"> <div class="comment-meta"> <p> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/members/formula-1/" rel="external nofollow" class="url">sozavele</a> (@formula-1) said on <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/comment-page-1/#comment-1059047"><span class="time-since">1st September 2012, 9:40</span></a> </p> </div> <div class="comment-entry"> <p>Even though I am not a fan of this rule as it is very harsh but I understand the concept behind it. A set change time between gearboxes saves the teams money and therefore nobody would have an “unfair” advantage going into an important race also this helps the small teams. I understand the “free” change is to save money which I appreciate. </p> <p>However I have mixed feelings on the rule, I think it punishes the drivers too much but understand if they could have a set amount like engines and change it when they want to F1 would become very tactical and a natural racing element may disappear.</p> </div> <div class="comment-options"> <a class="comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/?replytocom=1059047#respond" onclick="return addComment.moveForm("comment-1059047", "1059047", "respond", "63705")">Reply</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" style="margin-left:10px" class="comment-reply-link wangguard-user-report" rel="43886" title="Report user">Report user</a> </div> </div> </li> </ol><!-- .comment-list --> <div class="comment-navigation paged-navigation"> </div> </div><!-- #comments --> <div id="respond"> <h3 id="reply-title">Add your comment <small><a rel="nofollow" id="cancel-comment-reply-link" href="/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/08/31/webber-fiveplace-penalty-gearbox-change-spa/#respond" style="display:none;">Cancel this reply</a></small></h3> <form action="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524/http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-comments-post.php" method="post" id="commentform"> <div class="comment-avatar-box"> <div class="avb"> <img alt="" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20121017194524im_/http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=50" class="avatar avatar-50 photo avatar-default" height="50" width="50"/> </div> </div> <div class="comment-content standard-form"> <p class="comment-notes">Your email address will not be published. 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