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Shortly after being hired by De Anza, Tabia found that her expansive view of diversity, equity, and inclusion was not welcome at the school, where a narrow and divisive conception of DEI held sway. After facing pushback and outright hostility from her colleagues, she was unceremoniously fired. Tabia’s experience demonstrates the grimly ironic results of a small-minded, intolerant, and fanatical concept of DEI that has actually committed itself to uniformity, inequality, and exclusion.</span></p><p><span>In our conversation, Tabia tells me about her journey from </span><strong>teaching gifted translingual students</strong><span> to earning a PhD in education. After pushing through a tough academic job market, </span><strong>she landed a position at De Anza</strong><span>, where the trouble started almost immediately. Her attempts to </span><strong>alert colleagues to campus antisemitism</strong><span> only made things worse, as she found that the only “identity” categories they were willing to accept was </span><strong>BIPOC and white, oppressor and oppressed</strong><span>. Despite being black herself, she was accused of </span><strong>“whitesplaining, white thinking, and white supremacy.”</strong><span> Eventually she was </span><strong>fired from her position</strong><span>, but she and her ideas have found a home in the nonprofit world, where she’s continuing her work.</span></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{"url":"https://discord.gg/bbZP2naZsW","text":"Join Discord","action":null,"class":null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://discord.gg/bbZP2naZsW" rel><span>Join Discord</span></a></p><div><hr/></div><p><em>This post was released on Monday to paying subscribers and is now unlocked. 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</a><em><a href="https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/" rel>New York Post</a></em><a href="https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/" rel> piece, “I was a DEI director — DEI drives campus antisemitism”</a></p><p><a href="https://archive.ph/ZVjEt" rel>Tabia’s </a><em><a href="https://archive.ph/ZVjEt" rel>Compact </a></em><a href="https://archive.ph/ZVjEt" rel>piece, “A Black DEI Director Canceled by DEI”</a></p><p><a href="https://www.fairforall.org/" rel>Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism</a></p><p><a href="https://donoharmmedicine.org/" rel>Do No Harm Medicine</a></p><p><a href="https://empowered-ed.org/" rel>Coalition for Empowered Education </a></p><div><hr/></div><div data-component-name="SubscribeWidget" class="subscribe-widget"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-justifyContent-center pc-reset"><div class="container-IpPqBD"><form action="/api/v1/free?nojs=true" method="post" 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Shortly after being hired by De Anza, Tabia found that her expansive view of diversity, equity, and inclusion was not welcome at the school, where a narrow and divisive conception of DEI held sway. After facing pushback and outright hostility from her colleagues, she was unceremoniously fired. Tabia\u2019s experience demonstrates the grimly ironic results of a small-minded, intolerant, and fanatical concept of DEI that has actually committed itself to uniformity, inequality, and exclusion.</p><p>In our conversation, Tabia tells me about her journey from <strong>teaching gifted translingual students</strong> to earning a PhD in education. After pushing through a tough academic job market, <strong>she landed a position at De Anza</strong>, where the trouble started almost immediately. Her attempts to <strong>alert colleagues to campus antisemitism</strong> only made things worse, as she found that the only \u201Cidentity\u201D categories they were willing to accept was <strong>BIPOC and white, oppressor and oppressed</strong>. Despite being black herself, she was accused of <strong>\u201Cwhitesplaining, white thinking, and white supremacy.\u201D</strong> Eventually she was <strong>fired from her position</strong>, but she and her ideas have found a home in the nonprofit world, where she\u2019s continuing her work.</p><p class=\\\"button-wrapper\\\" data-attrs=\\\"{"url":"https://discord.gg/bbZP2naZsW","text":"Join Discord","action":null,"class":null}\\\" data-component-name=\\\"ButtonCreateButton\\\"><a class=\\\"button primary\\\" href=\\\"https://discord.gg/bbZP2naZsW\\\"><span>Join Discord</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p><em>This post was released on Monday to paying subscribers and is now unlocked. 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Explore it for yourselves and sign up for their free newsletter today.</p><p class=\\\"button-wrapper\\\" data-attrs=\\\"{"url":"https://www.city-journal.org/glenn-loury-welcome?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=glenn","text":"Sign Up Now","action":null,"class":"button-wrapper"}\\\" data-component-name=\\\"ButtonCreateButton\\\"><a class=\\\"button primary button-wrapper\\\" href=\\\"https://www.city-journal.org/glenn-loury-welcome?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=glenn\\\"><span>Sign Up Now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><blockquote><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=0s\\\">0:00</a> Tabia\u2019s early career as a teacher </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=340s\\\">5:40</a> Tabia\u2019s \u201Crough ride\u201D as a DEI director </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=1026s\\\">17:06</a> The antisemitism problem at De Anza </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=1525s\\\">25:25</a> The inescapable BIPOC binary </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=1732s\\\">28:52</a> From disagreement to deplatforming </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=2130s\\\">35:30</a> Why Tabia found support among students but not faculty </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=2340s\\\">39:00</a> How attempts to silence Tabia backfired </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=2454s\\\">40:54</a> Tabia\u2019s broad vision of diversity </p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVaao8wzYc&t=2866s\\\">47:46</a> Learning from the medical professionals of Galilee</p></blockquote><p>Recorded November 27, 2023</p><blockquote><div><hr></div></blockquote><h3>Links and Readings</h3><p><a href=\\\"https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/\\\">Tabia\u2019s </a><em><a href=\\\"https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/\\\">New York Post</a></em><a href=\\\"https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/\\\"> piece, \u201CI was a DEI director \u2014 DEI drives campus antisemitism\u201D</a></p><p><a href=\\\"https://archive.ph/ZVjEt\\\">Tabia\u2019s </a><em><a href=\\\"https://archive.ph/ZVjEt\\\">Compact </a></em><a href=\\\"https://archive.ph/ZVjEt\\\">piece, \u201CA Black DEI Director Canceled by DEI\u201D</a></p><p><a href=\\\"https://www.fairforall.org/\\\">Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism</a></p><p><a href=\\\"https://donoharmmedicine.org/\\\">Do No Harm Medicine</a></p><p><a href=\\\"https://empowered-ed.org/\\\">Coalition for Empowered Education </a></p><div><hr></div><p class=\\\"button-wrapper\\\" data-attrs=\\\"{"url":"https://glennloury.substack.com/subscribe?","text":"Subscribe now","action":null,"class":null}\\\" data-component-name=\\\"ButtonCreateButton\\\"><a class=\\\"button primary\\\" href=\\\"https://glennloury.substack.com/subscribe?\\\"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class=\\\"button-wrapper\\\" data-attrs=\\\"{"url":"https://glennloury.substack.com/p/tabia-lee-an-ex-dei-director-speaks?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share","text":"Share","action":null,"class":null}\\\" data-component-name=\\\"ButtonCreateButton\\\"><a class=\\\"button primary\\\" href=\\\"https://glennloury.substack.com/p/tabia-lee-an-ex-dei-director-speaks?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share\\\"><span>Share</span></a></p>\",\"truncated_body_text\":null,\"wordcount\":393,\"postTags\":[],\"postCountryBlocks\":[],\"coverImagePalette\":{\"Vibrant\":{\"rgb\":[137,22,27],\"population\":324},\"DarkVibrant\":{\"rgb\":[95,18,19],\"population\":338},\"LightVibrant\":{\"rgb\":[215,166,148],\"population\":21},\"Muted\":{\"rgb\":[109,108,148],\"population\":47},\"DarkMuted\":{\"rgb\":[84,44,44],\"population\":1},\"LightMuted\":{\"rgb\":[190,178,178],\"population\":102}},\"publishedBylines\":[{\"id\":24637620,\"name\":\"Glenn Loury\",\"handle\":\"glennloury\",\"previous_name\":null,\"photo_url\":\"https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/48bf313e-9884-4e9f-9daa-0d1ea8f8858a_512x512.png\",\"bio\":\"Merton P. 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