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</span></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Crystal_personal.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Taskforce icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Crystal_personal.svg/30px-Crystal_personal.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Crystal_personal.svg/45px-Crystal_personal.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Crystal_personal.svg/60px-Crystal_personal.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="70" data-file-height="70"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Military" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Military">Military biography task force</a></td></tr><tr><td><figure class="mw-halign-center" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Europe_satellite_globe.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Taskforce icon" 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg/42px-Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg" decoding="async" width="42" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg/62px-Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg/83px-Vickers_machine_gun_in_the_Battle_of_Passchendaele_-_September_1917.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3433" data-file-height="2480"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/World_War_I_task_force" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/World War I task force">World War I task 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style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,355 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Education_and_intellectual_influences" title="Charles de Gaulle">Education and intellectual influences</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8BDBD;">3,217</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,217 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Early_career" title="Charles de Gaulle">Early career</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">19</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F82525;font-weight:bold;">28,105 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Officer_cadet_and_lieutenant" title="Charles de Gaulle">Officer cadet and lieutenant</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F89898;">5,133</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">5,133 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a 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style="text-align:right;background:#F87E7E;">16,315 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Early_1920s:_Poland_and_staff_college" title="Charles de Gaulle">Early 1920s: Poland and staff college</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CECE;">2,337</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,337 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Mid-1920s:_ghostwriter_for_Pétain" title="Charles de Gaulle">Mid-1920s: ghostwriter for Pétain</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8C7C7;">2,675</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,675 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Late-1920s:_Trier_and_Beirut" title="Charles de Gaulle">Late-1920s: Trier and Beirut</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8C0C0;">3,062</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,062 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#1930s:_staff_officer" title="Charles de Gaulle">1930s: staff officer</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D3D3;">2,057</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,057 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Early_1930s:_proponent_of_armoured_warfare" title="Charles de Gaulle">Early 1930s: proponent of armoured warfare</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8AFAF;">3,935</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,935 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Late_1930s:_tank_regiment" title="Charles de Gaulle">Late 1930s: tank regiment</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D0D0;">2,224</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,224 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#World_War_II" title="Charles de Gaulle">World War II</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F9F9;">67</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F83A3A;font-weight:bold;">25,283 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Early_war" title="Charles de Gaulle">Early war</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CDCD;">2,363</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,363 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Battle_of_France" title="Charles de Gaulle">Battle of France</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">52</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8C5C5;">7,086 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Division_commander" title="Charles de Gaulle">Division commander</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8BFBF;">3,135</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,135 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Government_minister" title="Charles de Gaulle">Government minister</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B0B0;">3,899</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,899 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Leader_of_the_Free_French_in_exile" title="Charles de Gaulle">Leader of the Free French in exile</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F9F9;">69</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F88383;">15,767 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Appeal_from_London" title="Charles de Gaulle">Appeal from London</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F85D5D;">8,251</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">8,251 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Algiers" title="Charles de Gaulle">Algiers</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8E1E1;">1,314</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,314 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Preparations_for_D-Day" title="Charles de Gaulle">Preparations for D-Day</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CCCC;">2,416</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,416 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:3.2em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Return_to_France" title="Charles de Gaulle">Return to France</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B3B3;">3,717</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,717 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#1944–1946:_Provisional_Government_of_the_French_Republic" title="Charles de Gaulle">1944–1946: Provisional Government of the French Republic</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8BABA;">3,397</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F88383;font-weight:bold;">15,731 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Legal_purges_(Épuration_légale)" title="Charles de Gaulle">Legal purges (<i>Épuration légale</i>)</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D6D6;">1,920</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,920 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Yalta_and_Potsdam" title="Charles de Gaulle">Yalta and Potsdam</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D6D6;">1,909</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,909 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Victory_in_Europe" title="Charles de Gaulle">Victory in Europe</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8A0A0;">4,713</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">4,713 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#New_elections_and_resignation" title="Charles de Gaulle">New elections and resignation</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B2B2;">3,792</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,792 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#1946–1958:_Out_of_power" title="Charles de Gaulle">1946–1958: Out of power</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F89D9D;">4,907</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8A0A0;font-weight:bold;">11,915 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#1958:_Collapse_of_the_Fourth_Republic" title="Charles de Gaulle">1958: Collapse of the Fourth Republic</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F87575;">7,008</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">7,008 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#1958–1969:_Return_to_power" title="Charles de Gaulle">1958–1969: Return to power</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8ACAC;">4,106</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:red;font-weight:bold;">32,855 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Algeria" title="Charles de Gaulle">Algeria</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CDCD;">2,389</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,389 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Assassination_attempts" title="Charles de Gaulle">Assassination attempts</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D2D2;">2,135</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,135 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Direct_presidential_elections" title="Charles de Gaulle">Direct presidential elections</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8DFDF;">1,453</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,453 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#"Thirty_glorious_years"" title="Charles de Gaulle">"Thirty glorious years"</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CACA;">2,521</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,521 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Fourth_nuclear_power" title="Charles de Gaulle">Fourth nuclear power</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8C3C3;">2,882</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,882 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Foreign_policy" title="Charles de Gaulle">Foreign policy</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:red;">13,077</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">13,077 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#May_1968_and_resignation" title="Charles de Gaulle">May 1968 and resignation</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8A8A8;">4,292</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">4,292 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Later_life" title="Charles de Gaulle">Later life</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">17</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D9D9;font-weight:bold;">4,456 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Retirement" title="Charles de Gaulle">Retirement</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8EAEA;">870</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">870 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Death" title="Charles de Gaulle">Death</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B6B6;">3,569</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">3,569 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Personal_life" title="Charles de Gaulle">Personal life</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CCCC;">2,444</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8E8E8;font-weight:bold;">2,444 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Legacy" title="Charles de Gaulle">Legacy</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F9F9;">72</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B4B4;font-weight:bold;">9,241 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Reputation" title="Charles de Gaulle">Reputation</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F85656;">8,583</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">8,583 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Memorials" title="Charles de Gaulle">Memorials</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8EFEF;">586</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">586 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Honours_and_awards" title="Charles de Gaulle">Honours and awards</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">25</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8ABAB;font-weight:bold;">10,407 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#French" title="Charles de Gaulle">French</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CFCF;">2,272</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,272 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Foreign" title="Charles de Gaulle">Foreign</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F86D6D;">7,388</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">7,388 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Medals" title="Charles de Gaulle">Medals</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8EDED;">722</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">722 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Works" title="Charles de Gaulle">Works</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">12</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8E7E7;font-weight:bold;">2,587 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#French_editions" title="Charles de Gaulle">French editions</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8E3E3;">1,228</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,228 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#English_translations" title="Charles de Gaulle">English translations</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8E1E1;">1,347</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,347 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#See_also" title="Charles de Gaulle">See also</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F7F7;">175</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F9F9;font-weight:bold;">175 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Notes" title="Charles de Gaulle">Notes</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">43</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;font-weight:bold;">43 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#References" title="Charles de Gaulle">References</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F4F4;">360</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8F8F8;font-weight:bold;">360 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Further_reading" title="Charles de Gaulle">Further reading</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8FAFA;">22</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8B5B5;font-weight:bold;">9,147 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Biographies" title="Charles de Gaulle">Biographies</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8EFEF;">597</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">597 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#World_War_II" title="Charles de Gaulle">World War II</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D9D9;">1,742</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,742 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Politics" title="Charles de Gaulle">Politics</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8C5C5;">2,806</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,806 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Foreign_policy" title="Charles de Gaulle">Foreign policy</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8CDCD;">2,371</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">2,371 </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="margin-left:1.6em"><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Ideas_and_memory" title="Charles de Gaulle">Ideas and memory</a></span></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8DCDC;">1,609</td> <td style="text-align:right;color:transparent;">1,609 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#External_links" title="Charles de Gaulle">External links</a></td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F89B9B;">5,012</td> <td style="text-align:right;background:#F8D4D4;font-weight:bold;">5,012 </td></tr> <tr> <th>Total</th> <th style="text-align:right">174,476</th> <th style="text-align:right">174,476 </th></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Variety_of_English" data-mw-thread-id="h-Variety_of_English-20221218184200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Variety_of_English-20221218184200"></span>Variety of English<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Variety_of_English-20221218184200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Variety of English"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20221218184200-Variety_of_English"></span>This article currently contains a mix of American and British spellings, and has ever since its <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/62113" title="Special:PermanentLink/62113">creation</a> in 2002 (<i>armored</i>, but <i>neighbour</i>). By revision <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/27211288" title="Special:PermanentLink/27211288">27211288</a> of 01:48, 3 November 2005, although there was still a mixture of spellings, there seemed to be a tendency somewhat in favor of British spelling (18-12): </p> <ul><li>AE: armored criticiz*-2 Defense favor harbor honor organization-2 recognized revitalize traumatizing</li> <li>BE: armoured-2 characterised criticised defence harboured labour-4 mechanised organised recognise revitalise satirised specialised sympathiser-2</li></ul> <p>As this tendency is also in accord with a certain level of <a href="/wiki/MOS:TIES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TIES">ties to England</a> for this topic (where de Gaulle spent the war years and marshalled his forces), I think it's reasonable to unify the spelling to British English per <a href="/wiki/MOS:RETAIN" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:RETAIN">MOS:RETAIN</a> and <a href="/wiki/MOS:TIES" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:TIES">MOS:TIES</a>, and to add the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Use_British_English" title="Template:Use British English">use British English</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template to the article. Before making this change, let's hold off for a week, to see if any objections or other comments are forthcoming. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Mathglot-20221218184200-Variety_of_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 18 December 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20221218184200-Variety_of_English"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20221218184200-Variety_of_English"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM" data-mw-thread-id="h-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM-20230407182500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM-20230407182500"></span>Replacement of the entire lead on 6 April by IP user via LLM<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM-20230407182500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Replacement of the entire lead on 6 April by IP user via LLM"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20230407182500-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM"></span>On 7 April at 01:52, IP user <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92 (page does not exist)">2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92" title="User talk:2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92">contribs</a>) replaced the lead of <a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle" title="Charles de Gaulle">Charles de Gaulle</a> in (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1148581221" title="Special:Diff/1148581221">diff</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1148581221" title="Special:PermanentLink/1148581221">permalink</a>). This user has no edits before today, and has replaced leads on eight biographies of French politicians or statesmen. In my opinion, these have all been generated by Chat GPT (I've been experimenting a fair bit, and I recognize the style, now.) The lead is pretty good, but it doesn't necessarily summarize the most important points in the body of *this* article, and I'm not convinced everything in it is already covered in more detail in the lead, where references can be found. If you'd like to compare this lead to one created by Chat GPT for this article, see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle/Chat_GPT_lead_experiment" title="Talk:Charles de Gaulle/Chat GPT lead experiment">/Chat GPT lead experiment</a>. Finally, I'm not sure how to deal with this, so I plan to bring it to ANI for wider discussion. Meanwhile, I am reverting it. 05:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_of_eight_biographies_by_IPv6" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">this ANI discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Mathglot-20230407182500-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20230407182500-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20230407182500-Replacement_of_the_entire_lead_on_6_April_by_IP_user_via_LLM"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award-20230715183400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award-20230715183400"></span>List of honours - citation and check needed over British award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award-20230715183400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: List of honours - citation and check needed over British award"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cloptonson-20230715183400-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award"></span>I have raised a citation need over the alleged award of Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (post nominal initials GCVO), which is uncited and undated. He does appear in the <a href="/wiki/List_of_recipients_of_the_Royal_Victorian_Chain" title="List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain">List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain</a>, a distinctly separate honour, awarded when President of the French Republic in 1960. Wonder if there might be a confusion between the two? He definitely does not appear in the list of Knights and Dames Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order awarded by George VI or Elizabeth II between 1952-1977, although I note the recipients named all seem to be British or British Commonwealth subjects. Had he been made a GCVO on an honorary basis that is awarded to foreigners?<a href="/wiki/User:Cloptonson" title="User:Cloptonson">Cloptonson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cloptonson" title="User talk:Cloptonson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Cloptonson-20230715183400-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cloptonson-20230715183400-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cloptonson-20230715183400-List_of_honours_-_citation_and_check_needed_over_British_award"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat-20230829055400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat-20230829055400"></span>Bold move to reduce bloat<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat-20230829055400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Bold move to reduce bloat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20230829055400-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat"></span>Hi, XTheBedrockX, I noticed your bold move (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1172704351" title="Special:Diff/1172704351">diff</a>) of a big chunk of information from this page over to the new <a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle_during_World_War_II" title="Charles de Gaulle during World War II">Charles de Gaulle during World War II</a>; thanks for your efforts, it needed it. The size of this article was problematic, and certainly needed reduction (and likely still does). I note from the diff that you mostly either kept-or-moved, paragraph by paragraph, so whatever was left here in the end, is word-for-word the same as it was before. I think that's fine for starters, but I hope you're planning to continue the process in section <a href="/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle#Second_World_War,_leader_of_the_Free_French_in_exile" title="Charles de Gaulle">§ Second World War, leader of the Free French in exile</a> so that it follows <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style" title="Wikipedia:Summary style">WP:Summary style</a>. </p><p>What I mean by that, is that the section here should become a summary of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G#Child_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G">child article</a>, meaning likely there won't be anything left here that contains anything word-for-word matching what it was before when it's done. The section even now after the major cull still remains the largest section in the article, with 37.4kb of wikicode and six subsections (see 'section sizes' in the header banners above). That's half again as large as the next largest section, which doesn't even have its own article. Now that this one does, it would be great to cut it back a whole lot further; ideally, by moving all of the remaining content over to the new article, and then replacing what's here with a summary of the other one. </p><p>One method to consider, which is also a method mentioned at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SS">WP:SS</a>, is that once you're happy with the child article and feel you've written a good <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LEAD">WP:LEAD</a> section summarizing it, simply copy that lead back here, as your new summary section for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G#Parent_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G">parent article</a>. (And add a few refs here, if the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITELEAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITELEAD">lead over there doesn't have any</a>.) Anyway, good job, it needed it, and if you've a mind to, keep going! I don't have a ton of time to help with this right now, but I do happen to have a copy of <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=vTcWd7fJ16sC">De Gaulle et la Libération</a></i> from the library right now—it's focused pretty tightly on events of the summer and autumn of 1944, but if it would help you to have specific passages from it that are not visible in Google books, lmk and maybe I can help. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Mathglot-20230829055400-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20230829055400-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20230829055400-Bold_move_to_reduce_bloat"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lede_November_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lede_November_2023-20231110052200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lede_November_2023-20231110052200"></span>Lede November 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lede_November_2023-20231110052200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Lede November 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Nikkimaria" title="User:Nikkimaria"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mztourist-20231110052200-Lede_November_2023"></span>User:Nikkimaria</a> by this edit: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_de_Gaulle&diff=1184401437&oldid=1184257778">[1]</a> has reduced the size of the lede by 1,556 bytes. It seems to me though that the first para of the lede adequately summarises de Gaulle and we don't then need the following 3 paragraphs which are effectively just an expanded lede. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Mztourist" title="User:Mztourist">Mztourist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mztourist" title="User talk:Mztourist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Mztourist-20231110052200-Lede_November_2023" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mztourist-20231110052200-Lede_November_2023"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mztourist-20231110052200-Lede_November_2023"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DFlhb-20231110075100-Mztourist-20231110052200"></span>If you're proposing only keeping the first paragraph of the lead: it's quite standard to have 4-paragraph leads for articles of this length. <a href="/wiki/User:DFlhb" title="User:DFlhb">DFlhb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DFlhb" title="User talk:DFlhb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-DFlhb-20231110075100-Mztourist-20231110052200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DFlhb-20231110075100-Mztourist-20231110052200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DFlhb-20231110075100-Mztourist-20231110052200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mztourist-20231110085500-DFlhb-20231110075100"></span>Is it quite standard to summarize his life in the 1st para and then expand that in the 2nd to 4th paras? Isn't that what the body of the page is for? <a href="/wiki/User:Mztourist" title="User:Mztourist">Mztourist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mztourist" title="User talk:Mztourist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Mztourist-20231110085500-DFlhb-20231110075100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mztourist-20231110085500-DFlhb-20231110075100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mztourist-20231110085500-DFlhb-20231110075100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic"-20240502104400"><span id="Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_.22President_of_the_French_Republic.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic"-20240502104400"></span>Bad vision of the position of "President of the French Republic"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic"-20240502104400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Bad vision of the position of "President of the French Republic""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Julesc15-20240502104400-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic""></span>In the article (and this is true for the other sheets of the French presidents) he is presented as the "18th President of the French Republic". But in reality it's false. Not only if we really count, it's rather the 21st. But in addition, what must be understood with the political regime in France is that if we deliberately say "Vth Republic" it is because when France changes its constitution it is often that the Republic takes on a completely different face. And it was also to change the regime that he was called by René Cotty in 1958. The real highlight on De Gaulle is that he is the First President of the Fifth Republic. </p><p>Putting him 18th not only diminishes the truth of his appointment and his importance in the history of France, but it also integrates him in fact into a succession of presidents who have nothing to do with each other. Under the Third Republic the President hardly governs, it is the Prime Minister (President of the Council) who leads the country. Under the Fourth, the presidents do not hold the regime and the governments are changed every 3 months, hence the arrival of De Gaulle who stabilizes power and drafts the first Constitution that really gives power to the president and really places him at the head of the country. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Julesc15&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Julesc15 (page does not exist)">Julesc15</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Julesc15&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Julesc15 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Julesc15-20240502104400-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Julesc15-20240502104400-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Julesc15-20240502104400-Bad_vision_of_the_position_of_"President_of_the_French_Republic""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article-20241002091000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article-20241002091000"></span>Inconsistent with another Wikipedia article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article-20241002091000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Inconsistent with another Wikipedia article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oldboad-20241002091000-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article"></span>It appears to me that the last sentence of the second paragraph of the “May 1968 and resignation” subsection (of the “Return to power” section) states as a matter of fact that de Gaulle granted amnesty to ensure military support. </p><p>“De Gaulle returned to France after being assured of the military's support, in return for which De Gaulle agreed to amnesty for the 1961 coup plotters and OAS members.” </p><p>This seems inconsistent with the English wikipedia article on Jacques Massu, the “Later life” section of which says (in the final sentence of the first paragraph): </p><p>“Massu assured de Gaulle of his support, but according to some sources conditioned it upon an amnesty for French soldiers involved in the Organisation armée secrète who had opposed Algerian independence and attempted to assassinate de Gaulle on several occasions.” </p><p>I didn’t know how to resolve this discrepancy so I figured it would be wise to raise this issue here rather than in the Jacques Massu talk page (given that this page is visited more frequently). Apologies for any inadvertent errors, I’m still unfamiliar with Wikipedia rules and procedures. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Oldboad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Oldboad (page does not exist)">Oldboad</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oldboad&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Oldboad (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Oldboad-20241002091000-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oldboad-20241002091000-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oldboad-20241002091000-Inconsistent_with_another_Wikipedia_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals" data-mw-thread-id="h-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals-20241124191000"><span id="Honours_and_awards_section.2C_subsection_Medals"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals-20241124191000"></span>Honours and awards section, subsection Medals<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals-20241124191000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Honours and awards section, subsection Medals"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cloptonson-20241124191000-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals"></span>The list of awards, with one exception, in the subsection Medals, are all unreferenced. I have removed from there and reproduce on this page the following listed which are vague and could do with more precise naming, with date of award if available. </p> <ul><li>Medal of Mexico</li> <li>Iraqi medal (I note he had an order from Iraq which is named and cited in previous subsection)</li> <li>Royal Medal of Tunisia</li> <li>Pakistani medal</li> <li>Greek medal (possibly the Greek War Cross awarded for service in WWII?)</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Cloptonson" title="User:Cloptonson">Cloptonson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cloptonson" title="User talk:Cloptonson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charles_de_Gaulle#c-Cloptonson-20241124191000-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cloptonson-20241124191000-Honours_and_awards_section,_subsection_Medals"><span 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