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<td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2014/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2014/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015">2015</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2015/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2015/12">12</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> <div class="tpl-categories-for-discussion-box"> <table> <tbody><tr> <th></th> <th>Jan</th> <th>Feb</th> <th>Mar</th> <th>Apr</th> <th>May</th> <th>Jun</th> <th>Jul</th> <th>Aug</th> <th>Sep</th> <th>Oct</th> <th>Nov</th> <th>Dec </th></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016">2016</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2016/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2016/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017">2017</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2017/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2017/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018">2018</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2018/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2018/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019">2019</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2019/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2019/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020">2020</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2020/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2020/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021">2021</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2021/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2021/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022">2022</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2022/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2022/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023">2023</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2023/12" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2023/12">12</a> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row"><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024">2024</a> </th> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/01" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/01">01</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/02" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/02">02</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/03" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/03">03</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/04" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/04">04</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/05" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/05">05</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/06" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/06">06</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/07" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/07">07</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/08" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/08">08</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/09" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/09">09</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/10" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/10">10</a> </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/11" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/11">11</a> </td> <td><a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2024/12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/Archive/2024/12 (page does not exist)">12</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div> <div class="tpl-categories-for-discussion-title"> Archive August 2010 </div> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Statue_of_Liberty">1 Category:Statue of Liberty</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Eivissa">2 Category:Eivissa</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Cricket_players">3 Category:Cricket players</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Region_of_Auckland">4 Category:Region of Auckland</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Alter_Dom_Mariä_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)">5 Category:Alter Dom Mariä Himmelfahrt (Linz)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre">6 Category:Photos misused as evidence of Nanjing Massacre</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty">7 Category:University of Eastern Michigan faculty</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories">8 Category renames for quick review - Round 1: Meta categories</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Plural_to_singular">8.1 Plural to singular</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Spelling_errors">8.2 Spelling errors</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Incorrect_capitalization">8.3 Incorrect capitalization</a></li> <li class="toclevel-2"><a href="#Awkward_and_poorly_formed">8.4 Awkward and poorly formed</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station">9 Category:Burley Wharfdale railway station</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Company_Gardens">10 Category:Company Gardens</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories">11 Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:ARD-Rose">12 Category:ARD-Rose</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage">13 Category:Documents from the Den of Espionage</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores">14 Category:2006, stamps on envelores</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Thai_Airways">15 Category:Thai Airways</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a href="#Category:Road_signs_by_shape">16 Category:Road signs by shape</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1"><a 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Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Statue_of_Liberty" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Statue_of_Liberty-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty" title="Category:Statue of Liberty">Category:Statue of Liberty</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2009/09/Category:Statue_of_Liberty&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Statue of Liberty">edit</a>]</div> I would like to perform the following category renamings : <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty" title="Category:Statue of Liberty">Category:Statue of Liberty</a> (<a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Statue_of_Liberty" title="Category talk:Statue of Liberty">talk</a>) to <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_(New_York)" title="Category:Statue of Liberty (New York)">Category:Statue of Liberty (New York)</a> (0 entries moved, 133 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Statue of Liberty;Statue of Liberty (New York);r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Replicas_of_Statue_of_Liberty" title="Category:Replicas of Statue of Liberty">Category:Replicas of Statue of Liberty</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Replicas_of_the_statue_of_Liberty_of_New_York&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Replicas of the statue of Liberty of New York (page does not exist)">Category:Replicas of the statue of Liberty of New York</a> (0 entries moved, 0 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Replicas of Statue of Liberty;Replicas of the statue of Liberty of New York;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_in_art" title="Category:Statue of Liberty in art">Category:Statue of Liberty in art</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Statue_of_Liberty_of_New_York_in_art&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Statue of Liberty of New York in art (page does not exist)">Category:Statue of Liberty of New York in art</a> (0 entries moved, 300 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Statue of Liberty in art;Statue of Liberty of New York in art;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_on_coins" title="Category:Statue of Liberty on coins">Category:Statue of Liberty on coins</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Statue_of_Liberty_of_New_York_on_coins&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Statue of Liberty of New York on coins (page does not exist)">Category:Statue of Liberty of New York on coins</a> (0 entries moved, 14 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Statue of Liberty on coins;Statue of Liberty of New York on coins;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_on_stamps" title="Category:Statue of Liberty on stamps">Category:Statue of Liberty on stamps</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Statue_of_Liberty_of_New_York_on_stamps&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Statue of Liberty of New York on stamps (page does not exist)">Category:Statue of Liberty of New York on stamps</a> (0 entries moved, 56 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Statue of Liberty on stamps;Statue of Liberty of New York on stamps;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="border:1px solid #CC9;" class="movecat"> <tbody><tr> <td>Rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_costumes" title="Category:Statue of Liberty costumes">Category:Statue of Liberty costumes</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Costumes_after_the_statue_of_Liberty_of_New_York&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Costumes after the statue of Liberty of New York (page does not exist)">Category:Costumes after the statue of Liberty of New York</a> (0 entries moved, 68 to go) Warning: Please add a reason. Warning: Username of requester missing (<code>user</code> parameter). For transparency and to prevent abuse, please add your username. Statue of Liberty costumes;Costumes after the statue of Liberty of New York;r; </td></tr></tbody></table> The reason is that there are many other statues of Liberty in the world, as listed in <a href="/wiki/Category:Statues_of_Freedom" title="Category:Statues of Freedom">category:Statues of Freedom</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">Teofilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teofilo" title="User talk:Teofilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z-Category:Statue_of_Liberty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2009-09-01T18:06:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> This is the Statue of Liberty: in the USA, of course, but around the world as well. Look at the Wikipedia links at <a href="/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty" title="Statue of Liberty">Statue of Liberty</a> — none of those using the Hebrew, Cyrillic, or Greek alphabets have any form of "New York" in the name, and only three using the Latin alphabet. In my mind, this shows that it's generally known as the Statue of Liberty (or a translated form) around the world, even in France and Spain that have three statues in subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Statues_of_Freedom" title="Category:Statues of Freedom">Category:Statues of Freedom</a>. Let's keep this category name consistent with the name most of the world uses for it. <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Nyttend-2009-09-02T12:33:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Most of the world is ignorant of the existence of other statues of liberty. But is the purpose of the Wikimedia foundation to promote knowledge or ignorance ? <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">Teofilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teofilo" title="User talk:Teofilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Teofilo-2009-09-09T19:54:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> The Wikipedia article is titled without the New York designation, so I don't see the need for doing so in Wikimedia Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:Xnatedawgx" title="User:Xnatedawgx">Xnatedawgx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xnatedawgx" title="User talk:Xnatedawgx">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Xnatedawgx-2009-09-03T00:54:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>The Wikipedia article is not a container for files, like the Wikimedia Commons category is. "Statue of Liberty" is a perfect wording for any allegory of liberty depicted in sculpture, anywhere, at any time in the world so it leaves open the possibility that people will mix all kinds of statues of liberty into that category, whereas if we use a category name with "New York", people will know that this category is not suitable for other statues. <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">Teofilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teofilo" title="User talk:Teofilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Teofilo-2009-09-09T19:50:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See into which category <a href="/wiki/File:Fedipio.jpg" title="File:Fedipio.jpg">File:Fedipio.jpg</a> is being inserted now. <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">Teofilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teofilo" title="User talk:Teofilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Teofilo-2009-09-10T08:07:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-09T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That was done by an auto-categorizing bot. It's used in an article about the Statue of Liberty (which was it's inspiration but no one calls that "Statue of Liberty" too). At least it was a statue of some sort and the category wasn't something random like "Rail transport in England by county" which these bots tend to do a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2009-09-23T08:04:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-10T08:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> Statue of Liberty is only one, first and most famous. Every hearing this name, at once thinks about the New York City. Other monuments having the similar names or the similar symbolics, one modelled on this idea. --<a href="/wiki/User:Starscream" title="User:Starscream">Starscream</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starscream" title="User talk:Starscream">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Starscream-2009-09-05T16:50:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>"Every hearing this name, at once thinks about the New York City. " Yes and this is a prejudice. Is the purpose of an encyclopedia to help prejudices or to fight them ? <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">Teofilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teofilo" title="User talk:Teofilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Teofilo-2009-09-09T19:33:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That's like saying we should rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Abraham_Lincoln" title="Category:Abraham Lincoln">Category:Abraham Lincoln</a> because other people have same name and going with the one that's unquestionably the most associated with that combination of letters is a prejudice. (BTW, <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prejudice" class="extiw" title="wikt:prejudice">prejudice</a> is not really the right word. Maybe predilection or bias? Americentric?) The only thing it would do is make categorization harder and more work for everyone else since no one's going think something like this would be disambiguated. Put a see also hatnote at the top if you need to but don't disambig to make a point. Usability and accessibility are more important than political correctness. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2009-09-23T07:52:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-09T19:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 23 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> Ditto as per above comments that oppose. I don't see the need to dab. <a href="/wiki/User:RedWolf" title="User:RedWolf">RedWolf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedWolf" title="User talk:RedWolf">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-RedWolf-2009-09-06T08:39:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Question</bdi> If it would be moved, what should be at <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty" title="Category:Statue of Liberty">Category:Statue of Liberty</a>? -- User:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">Docu</a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2009-09-10T08:10:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><s>Discussion closed: No consensus to rename. -- User:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">Docu</a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2009-10-18T09:31:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)</a></s>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Reopened the discussion that was closed by <a href="/wiki/User:Docu" title="User:Docu">User:Docu</a> at 09:31, 18 October 2009.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FCurrent_requests%2F2009%2F09%2FCategory%3AStatue_of_Liberty&action=historysubmit&diff=30589324&oldid=29120270">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wsiegmund" title="User:Wsiegmund">Walter Siegmund</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wsiegmund" title="User talk:Wsiegmund">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wsiegmund-2009-10-19T17:17:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>the fundamental problem I do have is that for some names <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=Statue+of+Libert">that exist currently in 13 places, but in practise in 20 or 30 places, augmented with various "Liberty Enlightening the World" variants</a>, we disambiguate. I am really stunned if we have such series of categories and for one of them, we say, in our world (Western and US), we have a special rule that you have to know/guess: the category without disambiguation is the one from New York (I could live with a redirect to the New York one, but it contains already many images that are not in their right category). I can understand that for capitals with a very long history, we don't disambiguate but I think that can be the only exceptions. There is no rule in Commons that gives a priority for a name over another in case of disambiguation, and I see no reason to make exceptions on that because for each of the 700 projects Commons is serving, the priorities might change. The en:wikipedia is not necessarily the reference, because it is very much US/UK/Western world oriented (in that order) and it provides 3 million articles out of the 14 million wikipedia articles. I am moving almost daily such categories to avoid disambiguity without asking any questions (and I am spending a lot of time explaining to users why we cannot give priority to "their" item name). --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2009-10-19T17:22:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Pictogram-voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram-voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Question</bdi> We have <a href="/wiki/Category:Stonehenge" title="Category:Stonehenge">Category:Stonehenge</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Parthenon" title="Category:Parthenon">Category:Parthenon</a>. Should these, and all similar categories, be treated as has been proposed here? <a href="/wiki/User:Wsiegmund" title="User:Wsiegmund">Walter Siegmund</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wsiegmund" title="User talk:Wsiegmund">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wsiegmund-2009-10-19T17:06:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>of course if there are several categories that start with that name. Do we need a naming system or a celebrity contest ?--<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2009-10-19T20:39:00.000Z-Wsiegmund-2009-10-19T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I was thinking of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Stonehenge_Replicas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Stonehenge Replicas (page does not exist)">Category:Stonehenge Replicas</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Replicas_of_Parthenon" title="Category:Replicas of Parthenon">Category:Replicas of Parthenon</a>, but I see now that they are not the same as <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_(Budapest)" title="Category:Statue of Liberty (Budapest)">Category:Statue of Liberty (Budapest)</a>. Thank you for clearing that up. The Budapest (the second largest category) and New York categories contain 36 and 165 files respectively, but the disparity is not overwhelming. In the interest of multiculturalism and internationalization, I'm inclined to support, but will read other comments with interest. <a href="/wiki/User:Wsiegmund" title="User:Wsiegmund">Walter Siegmund</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wsiegmund" title="User talk:Wsiegmund">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wsiegmund-2009-10-19T23:49:00.000Z-Foroa-2009-10-19T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi>: if someone says "Statue of Liberty" without further qualification, this is the one they mean. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jmabel-2009-10-19T18:11:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>That is typical American/Western. Go tell that to a guy in Ukraine or China who learned at school (in his language) that your symbol is called "Liberty Enlightening the World", knows hardly the difference between New York and Texas, and who needs to use google translate to find the term "Statue of Liberty" for his own "statue of Freedom". Of course, "Your great" Houston is the most important one; the others are supposed to know that they are not important whatsoever. And you call this a categorisation "system" and an international project. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2009-10-19T20:39:00.000Z-Jmabel-2009-10-19T18:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> FOr the very reasons you mention. If I were to mention The Great Wall, wouldn't your mind leap to China? In fact, <a href="/wiki/Great_Wall" class="mw-redirect" title="Great Wall">Great Wall</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/%E9%95%BF%E5%9F%8E" title="长城">长城</a>. If you'd like you can redirect Liberty Enlightening the World in Chinese to the English equivalent, just for fairness sake. The fact is, this is the most famous statue with this name, and disambiguation is not necessary. -<a href="/wiki/User:Nard_the_Bard" title="User:Nard the Bard">Nard the Bard</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Nard_the_Bard-2009-10-20T02:08:00.000Z-Foroa-2009-10-19T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> Just to point out that the category for <a href="/wiki/%E9%95%BF%E5%9F%8E" title="长城">长城</a> is actually <a href="/wiki/Category:Great_Wall_of_China" title="Category:Great Wall of China">Category:Great Wall of China</a> (the "of China" being the relevant part for this discussion). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ianezz" title="User:Ianezz"> IANEZZ </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ianezz" title="User talk:Ianezz">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ianezz-2009-10-20T16:48:00.000Z-Nard_the_Bard-2009-10-20T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> I support because of the reasons Foroa has mentioned.--<a href="/wiki/User:Wouterhagens" title="User:Wouterhagens">Wouter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wouterhagens" title="User talk:Wouterhagens">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wouterhagens-2009-10-20T19:34:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>As mentioned “don't assume other users share your background” it means that the “oppose” and “support” mentioned here, is not a good representation in my opinion because just these other users do not read this. The best approach in my opinion is that as soon as the meaning of a category may be unclear for some of our users, the category should be disambiguated whatever the subject may be. <a href="/wiki/User:Wouterhagens" title="User:Wouterhagens">Wouter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wouterhagens" title="User talk:Wouterhagens">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wouterhagens-2009-10-21T19:20:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> far more logical, even if the New York Statue is the most known (and it’s not the original “real” name). Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> * <a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">discut.</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-VIGNERON-2009-10-22T15:01:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> per Nyttend, etc. This would be a great disservice and inconvenience to a vast majority of people. <a href="/wiki/User:Wknight94" title="User:Wknight94">Wknight94</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wknight94" title="User talk:Wknight94">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wknight94-2009-12-21T19:07:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Indeed, a great disservice for the great American cause. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2009-12-21T22:22:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>How ironic - you expose your own cultural bias while giving zero evidence of mine. I don't think there needs to be a <a href="/wiki/Category:London,_England" title="Category:London, England">Category:London, England</a> any more than I think there should be a <a href="/wiki/Category:Atlanta,_Georgia" title="Category:Atlanta, Georgia">Category:Atlanta, Georgia</a> - and I don't think we need <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Red_Square_(Russia)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Red Square (Russia) (page does not exist)">Category:Red Square (Russia)</a> any more than we need <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_(New_York)" title="Category:Statue of Liberty (New York)">Category:Statue of Liberty (New York)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wknight94" title="User:Wknight94">Wknight94</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wknight94" title="User talk:Wknight94">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wknight94-2009-12-21T23:15:00.000Z-Foroa-2009-12-21T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> Mentioned above, <a href="/wiki/Category:Statue_of_Liberty_(Budapest)" title="Category:Statue of Liberty (Budapest)">Statue of Liberty (Budapest)</a>, the second largest category after New York, actually seems to be literally called the Liberty Statue, sometimes the Freedom Statue, but not the Statue of Liberty. All of the others that are categorized as a "Statue of Liberty" are located in non-English speaking countries. They could translated in a variety of ways, but, for some reason, their native names aren't being used to categorize them here. <a href="/wiki/User:Altairisfar" title="User:Altairisfar">Altairisfar</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Altairisfar" title="User talk:Altairisfar">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Altairisfar-2010-01-31T03:38:00.000Z-Teofilo-2009-09-01T16:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories</a> says, "The real policy with regard to proper names of individual persons, places, buildings, organizations etc. and other stable specific names of local phenomena is multifarious, full consensus isn't achieved yet. See current practices and discussion pages." <a href="/wiki/User:Wsiegmund" title="User:Wsiegmund">Walter Siegmund</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wsiegmund" title="User talk:Wsiegmund">(talk)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Wsiegmund-2010-01-31T05:56:00.000Z-Altairisfar-2010-01-31T03:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> Can we close this? The rename proposal doesn't seem to gain any consensus. The current title seems consistent with Commons Naming Pratices. -- User:<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu">Docu</a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-01-31T08:29:00.000Z-Category:Statue_of_Liberty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> I very strongly support <a href="/wiki/User:Teofilo" title="User:Teofilo">User:Teofilo</a> proposal, or some variation of it.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Other people made this important point above, but those who think it is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geo_Swan/nothing_is_obvious" class="extiw" title="w:User:Geo Swan/nothing is obvious">obvious</a> that the New York City statue should have pride of place, don't seem to be responding this important point -- or even recognizing it. To non-English speakers, even those who might recognize the iconic New York city statue, the name "statue of liberty" is not obvious. They know it by the name it is known by in their mother tongues, which almost certainly won't translate as "statue of liberty". I am old enough to remember the Tien a Mien demonstrations that preceded the Tien a Mien massacre. Demonstrators dressed up to look like the statue of liberty: flowing robes, big pointy crown, upraised torch in the right hand. But, when the spoke about their appearance to western reporters, they didn't say: "I am dressed up like the 'statue of liberty'." They said, "I am dressed up like the 'goddess of democracy'." Presumably that was how "Statue of Liberty" is usually translated in China.</dd> <dd>My experience, over at the wikipedia, with attempts by English speakers to deal with the non-English names for organizations, has made clear to me how problematic the translation of names can be. Certain organizations, through hard work, or having English language publicists, have escaped the problem of having their organizations' names randomly translated a bunch of different ways. But the vast majority of non-English names have multiple possible translations into English, and, on an International project we should be very sensitive to the flip-side of this for our users and contributors for whom English is not their first language. Let me offer some examples of some names of organizations counter-terrorism officials failed to realize were ambiguous: <ul><li>The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_captives_in_Guantanamo" class="extiw" title="w:Uyghur captives in Guantanamo">Uyghur captives in Guantanamo</a> were all held in Guantanamo based on Chinese allegations that they were members of the terrorist <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkestan_Islamic_Party" class="extiw" title="w:East Turkestan Islamic Party">East Turkestan Islamic Party</a>. The troubles with this naming are that: (1) the name of this group was transliterated about a dozen different ways in the official US documents; (2) over the years the Uyghurs, an oppressed minority in China, who call their homeland "East Turkestan", face very similar problems to the Tibetans, but with no Dalai Lama. They have tried to organize dozens of liberation groups, most of which have had names that could be transliterated as "East Turkestan Islamic Party", or reasonable equivalent. These groups ranged in their belief in non-violence.</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Masri" class="extiw" title="w:Khaled el-Masri">Khaled el-Masri</a> who was tortured for five months in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_salt_pit" class="extiw" title="w:The salt pit">the salt pit</a> is reported to have said on his application for German citizenship that he was a member of Zarqari's group. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/al_Tawhid" class="extiw" title="w:al Tawhid">al Tawhid</a> was the short form for Zarqari's group, prior to it being renamed "al Qaida in Iraq". It is also part of the name, in Arabic, of the Druze, a minority ethnic group in Lebanon, where el-Masri was immigrating from. Zarqari's group didn't even exist when el-Masri immigrated. Being part of a potentially oppressed minority ethnic group? That is something one would put on an application for asylum. Being a member of a terrorist group? This is a much less popular choice for immigration applicants.</li> <li>A couple of dozen Guantanamo captives were held due to an alleged association with a charity called "al Wafa". Because the wikipedia is so frequently mirrored, if you google "al Wafa" now, you should find lots of links to the al Wafa charity the US put on its terrorist watchlist. But when I started the al Wafa article four years ago the only charities named "al Wafa" I could find were innocuous ones that had nothing to do with Afghanistan.</li> <li>The story was similar for the "Afghan Support Group", or "Afghan Support Committee" -- an alleged association was used to justify holding captives in Guantanamo. I found that there were at least five different groups with names that transliterated into "Afghan Support Committee", in English. The dangerous one seems to have been the one that had originally been a CIA front, abandoned by the CIA once the Soviets were kicked out, which then found new sponsors in oil-rich Gulf. <a href="/wiki/User:Geo_Swan" title="User:Geo Swan">Geo Swan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geo_Swan" title="User talk:Geo Swan">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Geo_Swan-2010-02-05T17:37:00.000Z-Docu-2010-01-31T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> - I have read the comments above, and notwithstanding those support comments, I remain unconvinced. For the reasons already stated in some detail, the disambiguation is completely unnecessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Skeezix1000" title="User:Skeezix1000">Skeezix1000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Skeezix1000" title="User talk:Skeezix1000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Skeezix1000-2010-02-13T22:13:00.000Z-Docu-2010-01-31T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> - I too have read the all the comments above and I also remain unconvinced and as such I think no change is needed. I agree with<a href="/wiki/User:Skeezix1000" title="User:Skeezix1000">Skeezix1000</a> that "the disambiguation is completely unnecessary". --<a href="/wiki/User:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User:ARTEST4ECHO">ARTEST4ECHO</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User talk:ARTEST4ECHO">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ARTEST4ECHO-2010-05-12T20:58:00.000Z-Docu-2010-01-31T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Oppose</bdi> both the move and the proposed choice of subcategory names if moved: <ul><li>Against the move: I believe the statue in New York Harbor is by far the most common meaning of the Statue of Liberty as the stadium in Rome is the Colosseum. Just as there is not much chance that <a href="/wiki/Category:Colosseum" title="Category:Colosseum">Category:Colosseum</a> would get confused with <a href="/wiki/Category:Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum" title="Category:Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum">Category:Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum</a> (even though it's larger) or any of the other 37 categories with the word "Coliseum" in them or 3 more categories with "Colosseum" in them, there is not much chance that the English name "Statue of Liberty" by itself refers to anything other than the statue in New York Harbor unless context shows otherwise. It looks to me like most of the other statues with a similar name are only subjective translations from other languages, and that they have been translated as "Statue of Liberty" only because that is the most common combination of "liberty" and "statue" in English, which is because of the one in New York. (How many of those other statues have officially been referred to as "Statue of Liberty"? How many are only called that on Commons because of the tendency towards English names on Commons even when no English name really exists?) Further evidence that the New York statue is the primary subject is the large amount of Commons media related to it, demonstrated by the fairly well-populated subcategories.</li> <li>Against the proposed subcategory names: I assume those suggestions are simply examples, and not the literal names to be used. Nobody calls this statue "Liberty of New York" — that sounds like an insurance company or a car dealer or something. If they must be moved, maybe use "Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World" so at least it contains "Statue of Liberty", or maybe "American Statue of Liberty on <stamps, etc.>".</li></ul> <dl><dd>Someone mentioned that a non-English-speaking user, trying to translate their native liberty statue names into "Statue of Liberty", may have problems. But how many times does that happen, compared to how many times a non-English-speaking user really is looking for the statue in New York when they type "Statue of Liberty"? I could be wrong, but I suspect that even non-English-speaking people searching for "Statue of Liberty" usually are trying to find the New York statue. (That being said: All the other "Liberty" statues in the world certainly should have redirects for their native names, since that would cure a vast majority of ambiguity problems and remove the necessity for subjective translation. And the name for the American statue should have redirects from as many languages as possible, especially the ones where that statue has a specific common name in that other language.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closeapple" title="User talk:Closeapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Closeapple-2010-06-30T06:11:00.000Z-Docu-2010-01-31T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <hr/> Not done. I'm closing this discussion almost a year after it was started, with the last comment posted almost two months old. There is still no consensus that there should be a move/rename. It seems that the primary English meaning of "Statue of Liberty", and the one that is searched for the most under that name, is the one in New York. <a href="/wiki/User:Zzyzx11" title="User:Zzyzx11">Zzyzx11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzyzx11" title="User talk:Zzyzx11">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Zzyzx11-2010-08-27T08:25:00.000Z-Category:Statue_of_Liberty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Eivissa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Eivissa-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Eivissa" title="Category:Eivissa">Category:Eivissa</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/03/Category:Eivissa&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Eivissa">edit</a>]</div> This category has been renamed without consensus by <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">multichill</a> as you can see in <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Eivissa" title="Category talk:Eivissa">Category talk:Eivissa</a>. My last contribution in this discussion has kept there unanswered. Furthermore, I think there was nearly a consensus of keeping the former name (Six people defended it and only two claimed for category change). Also all subcategories have been renamed without any advise. I won't repeat my line of argument here for reverting <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> changes as you can read them in <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Eivissa" title="Category talk:Eivissa">Category talk:Eivissa</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z-Category:Eivissa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Keep</bdi> deleting redirects is not helpful. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-03-21T17:47:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Keep</bdi> No need to repeat the discussion of <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Eivissa" title="Category talk:Eivissa">Category talk:Eivissa</a>. The "Ibiza" name is "the" reference name in reference works and scholar books. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-03-21T18:14:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>What about the unfinished discussion and non-consensus renaming? <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-03-21T18:27:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Commons is a server and has to serve the wikipedias. So far, as can be seen in the IW's, the large majority of the wikipedias are referring to <a href="/wiki/Category:Ibiza" title="Category:Ibiza">Category:Ibiza</a>. If you want a transition to Eivissa, you have to start on the side of our clients. We can discuss the issue again when <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiza" class="extiw" title="w:Ibiza">w:Ibiza</a> gets renamed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-03-21T18:51:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T18:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think Commons is an independent project with its own admins and users and is able to take its own decisions. If some wikipedias have different policies, I respect it, but here we can think by ourselves. <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-03-22T09:06:00.000Z-Foroa-2010-03-21T18:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And that's exactly what we're doing. We're using the most commons name in English and that happens to be Ibiza and not Eivissa. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-03-22T19:49:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-22T09:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You are thinking by yourself ignoring an open discussion and moving a category without consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-04-08T10:40:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-03-22T19:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">user:Paucabot</a> seems to be canvasing <a href="/wiki/Template:User_ca" title="Template:User ca">{{User ca}}</a> users. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-03-22T07:36:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Where? I have not noticed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vriullop" title="User:Vriullop">V.Riullop</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vriullop" title="User talk:Vriullop">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Vriullop-2010-03-22T08:10:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-03-22T07:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20100321174703&limit=4&contribs=user&target=Paucabot&namespace=3">Here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-03-22T19:49:00.000Z-Vriullop-2010-03-22T08:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I did it because of a non-consensus edition of <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a>. In normal cases, I would not have made it. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> has not yet explained why did he do all this category movements without consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-04-08T10:40:00.000Z-Vriullop-2010-03-22T08:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> Ibiza is a case that is comparable to Rome, Brussels, Cologne, The Hague, Florence, ... It is not a matter of voting but applying the Commons naming rules. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-03-22T07:41:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>I disagree. Ibiza/Eivissa is a case exactly as Pekin/Beijing or Burma/Myanmar. And you can see the policy in <a href="/wiki/Category:Beijing" title="Category:Beijing">Category:Beijing</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Myanmar" title="Category:Myanmar">Category:Myanmar</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-03-22T09:06:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Look at the interwiki's and you will see the difference. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-03-22T10:02:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-22T09:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Had not we agreed in take our own decisions? <a href="/wiki/User:Paucabot" title="User:Paucabot">Paucabot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paucabot" title="User talk:Paucabot">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Paucabot-2010-04-08T10:42:00.000Z-Foroa-2010-03-22T10:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> to move to its original category (Eivissa). There's no complex characters avoiding an normal use of "Eivissa", as it's the real name of the place as the exemples shown by Pau Cabot. There's also Sevilla and not Seville, Granada and not Granade or Mallorca and not Majorca here in Commons. Maintaining it would be a Francoist mind. --<a href="/wiki/User:Martorell" title="User:Martorell">Joanot Martorell</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martorell" title="User talk:Martorell">✉</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Martorell-2010-04-27T11:54:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And I am sure that Hitler and Stalin would have used Ibiza too. I don't like exonyms, but we have to serve our audience. I would say, as in Mumbai, Myanmar and Beijing, if Eivissa gets around 50 % of the interwiki names, then Eivissa will be the name to use. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-04-27T12:38:00.000Z-Martorell-2010-04-27T11:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Move, the only reason to use "English" names is the lack of education in certain countries. <a href="/wiki/User:Erik_Warmelink" title="User:Erik Warmelink">Erik Warmelink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik_Warmelink" title="User talk:Erik Warmelink">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Erik_Warmelink-2010-04-27T15:24:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Well, give the good example. Rename <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiza_(eiland)" class="extiw" title="nl:Ibiza (eiland)">nl:Ibiza (eiland)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-04-27T18:33:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I am blocked on nl.wikipedia (as a "sock puppet" of <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/gebruiker:ErikWarmelink" class="extiw" title="nl:gebruiker:ErikWarmelink">nl:gebruiker:ErikWarmelink</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Erik_Warmelink" title="User:Erik Warmelink">Erik Warmelink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik_Warmelink" title="User talk:Erik Warmelink">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Erik_Warmelink-2010-04-28T19:11:00.000Z-Foroa-2010-04-27T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And the main account is blocked for a year because of personal attacks. We're in good company here ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-04-28T19:59:00.000Z-Erik_Warmelink-2010-04-28T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I don't threaten your father, pseudonym. <a href="/wiki/User:Erik_Warmelink" title="User:Erik Warmelink">Erik Warmelink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik_Warmelink" title="User talk:Erik Warmelink">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Erik_Warmelink-2010-04-28T21:43:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-04-28T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 28 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> for Paucabot's comments. Do we use Beijing instead of Pekin? Then we should user Eivissa too.--<a href="/wiki/User:Xtv" title="User:Xtv">Xtv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xtv" title="User talk:Xtv">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Xtv-2010-08-09T10:14:00.000Z-Paucabot-2010-03-21T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> Ibiza is far more used than Eivissa so we use Ibiza. That might seem unfair to some but is best for most of the users. Note we use Beijing and not 北京市 even if that might seem more correct to some users. --<a href="/wiki/User:MGA73" title="User:MGA73">MGA73</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MGA73" title="User talk:MGA73">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MGA73-2010-08-09T21:20:00.000Z-Category:Eivissa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 9 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Cricket_players" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Cricket_players-2010-03-26T02:44:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Cricket_players" title="Category:Cricket players">Category:Cricket players</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/03/Category:Cricket_players&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Cricket players">edit</a>]</div> Per an unanswered comment on the talk page, the descriptor "Cricket players" is inaccurate. Those who play cricket are always referred to as "Cricketers" and never as "Cricket Players". A Google comparison of the two terms is roughly 10:1 favouring the single word. For <a href="/wiki/Category:Sportspeople_by_sport" title="Category:Sportspeople by sport">certain other sports</a> such as football its 50:50 and for basketball it swings the other direction (10:1) supporting the status quo. <a href="/wiki/Category:Australian_rules_footballers" title="Category:Australian rules footballers">Category:Australian rules footballers</a> is uncontroversial. For precedent, refer <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cricketers" class="extiw" title="w:Category:Cricketers">w:Category:Cricketers</a>. Proposal: <a href="/wiki/Category:Cricket_players" title="Category:Cricket players">Category:Cricket players</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Cricketers" title="Category:Cricketers">Category:Cricketers</a> (and the subcats by country/gender). <a href="/wiki/User:Moondyne" title="User:Moondyne">Moondyne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moondyne" title="User talk:Moondyne">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Moondyne-2010-03-26T02:44:00.000Z-Category:Cricket_players" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT:CRIC" class="extiw" title="w:WT:CRIC">w:WT:CRIC</a> notified. <a href="/wiki/User:Moondyne" title="User:Moondyne">Moondyne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moondyne" title="User talk:Moondyne">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z-Category:Cricket_players" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Support rename per nomination. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mattinbgn" title="User:Mattinbgn">Mattinbgn</a>/<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mattinbgn" title="User talk:Mattinbgn">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Mattinbgn-2010-03-26T03:12:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:YellowMonkey&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:YellowMonkey (page does not exist)">YellowMonkey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YellowMonkey" title="User talk:YellowMonkey">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-YellowMonkey-2010-03-26T03:32:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support. The term "cricket player" is simply not in use. The term "cricketer" can be traced back to the 18th century and is first known in connection with a hanged felon who played cricket in Kent. Cricketer has had continuous usage ever since. --<a href="/wiki/User:BlackJack" title="User:BlackJack">BlackJack</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlackJack&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:BlackJack (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-BlackJack-2010-03-26T08:35:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support per everyone so far. <a href="/wiki/User:SGGH" title="User:SGGH">SGGH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGGH" title="User talk:SGGH">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-SGGH-2010-03-26T10:12:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Seems pretty straightforward to me. –<a href="/wiki/User:Juliancolton" title="User:Juliancolton">Juliancolton</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juliancolton" title="User talk:Juliancolton">Talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Juliancolton-2010-03-26T12:58:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 26 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support per nom. <a href="/wiki/User:SpacemanSpiff" class="mw-redirect" title="User:SpacemanSpiff">SpacemanSpiff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpacemanSpiff" title="User talk:SpacemanSpiff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-03-28T08:26:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support per nom. (This can be done by a bot, right?) <a href="/wiki/User:Nev1" title="User:Nev1">Nev1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nev1" title="User talk:Nev1">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Nev1-2010-07-07T19:20:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Support per nom. <a href="/wiki/User:Bigforrap" title="User:Bigforrap">Bigforrap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bigforrap" title="User talk:Bigforrap">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Bigforrap-2010-08-02T19:20:00.000Z-Moondyne-2010-03-26T03:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> Closing with a unanimous decision to move. I'll see if <a href="/wiki/User:CommonsDelinker" title="User:CommonsDelinker">User:CommonsDelinker</a> will do the dirty work. <a href="/wiki/User:Zzyzx11" title="User:Zzyzx11">Zzyzx11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzyzx11" title="User talk:Zzyzx11">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Zzyzx11-2010-08-27T09:08:00.000Z-Category:Cricket_players" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Region_of_Auckland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Region_of_Auckland-2010-04-05T02:21:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Auckland" title="Category:Region of Auckland">Category:Region of Auckland</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/04/Category:Region_of_Auckland&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Region of Auckland">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Auckland" title="Category:Region of Auckland">Category:Region of Auckland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Bay_of_Plenty" title="Category:Region of Bay of Plenty">Category:Region of Bay of Plenty</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Canterbury" title="Category:Region of Canterbury">Category:Region of Canterbury</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Gisborne" title="Category:Region of Gisborne">Category:Region of Gisborne</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Hawke%27s_Bay" title="Category:Region of Hawke's Bay">Category:Region of Hawke's Bay</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Manawatu-Wanganui" title="Category:Region of Manawatu-Wanganui">Category:Region of Manawatu-Wanganui</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Marlborough" title="Category:Region of Marlborough">Category:Region of Marlborough</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Nelson" title="Category:Region of Nelson">Category:Region of Nelson</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Northland" title="Category:Region of Northland">Category:Region of Northland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Otago" title="Category:Region of Otago">Category:Region of Otago</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Southland" title="Category:Region of Southland">Category:Region of Southland</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Taranaki" title="Category:Region of Taranaki">Category:Region of Taranaki</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Tasman" title="Category:Region of Tasman">Category:Region of Tasman</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Waikato" title="Category:Region of Waikato">Category:Region of Waikato</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Wellington" title="Category:Region of Wellington">Category:Region of Wellington</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_West_Coast" title="Category:Region of West Coast">Category:Region of West Coast</a></li></ul> The 16 New Zealand regions have legal names Foo Region, rather than Region of Foo. (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM174258.html?search=qs_act_otago+auckland+wanganui_resel&p=1&sr=1">Local Government Act 2002</a>) I'd like to change to Foo Region, for the correct legal title, and to align with Wikipedia. --<a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-04-05T02:21:00.000Z-Category:Region_of_Auckland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I guess it's appropriate. The only reason I'm feeling a bit reluctant is that I've gotten used to the setup. But go ahead. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ingolfson-2010-04-05T05:11:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-04-05T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Apologies for the inconvenience. <a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-04-05T16:11:00.000Z-Ingolfson-2010-04-05T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Support. Foo Region is more correct. Although "Region" is technically not correct for the 4 unitary authorities (Gisborne, Tasman, Nelson, and Marlborough), I think it's best to keep our naming internally consistent. --<a href="/wiki/User:Avenue" title="User:Avenue">Avenue</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avenue" title="User talk:Avenue">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Avenue-2010-04-20T23:41:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-04-05T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Renaming them. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Diego_Grez&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Diego Grez (page does not exist)">Diego Grez</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" title="User talk:Diego Grez">return fire</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Diego_Grez-2010-06-19T04:00:00.000Z-Avenue-2010-04-20T23:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The three first ones were renamed</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Auckland" title="Category:Region of Auckland">Category:Region of Auckland</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Auckland_Region" title="Category:Auckland Region">Category:Auckland Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Bay_of_Plenty" title="Category:Region of Bay of Plenty">Category:Region of Bay of Plenty</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Bay_of_Plenty_Region" title="Category:Bay of Plenty Region">Category:Bay of Plenty Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Canterbury" title="Category:Region of Canterbury">Category:Region of Canterbury</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Canterbury_Region" title="Category:Canterbury Region">Category:Canterbury Region</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Will do the other ones this morning, cheers. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Diego_Grez&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Diego Grez (page does not exist)">Diego Grez</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" title="User talk:Diego Grez">return fire</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Diego_Grez-2010-06-19T04:41:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2010-06-19T04:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 19 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Thanks for the move, Gisborne appears to be complete also. I've added the remainder to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands" title="User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands">User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands</a>, for the bot to process. <a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-06-19T06:13:00.000Z-Category:Region_of_Auckland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yep, it will take some time, so I'm completing the job ;) --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Diego_Grez&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Diego Grez (page does not exist)">Diego Grez</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" title="User talk:Diego Grez">return fire</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Diego_Grez-2010-06-19T15:10:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-06-19T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Hawke%27s_Bay" title="Category:Region of Hawke's Bay">Category:Region of Hawke's Bay</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Hawke%27s_Bay_Region" title="Category:Hawke's Bay Region">Category:Hawke's Bay Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Manawatu-Wanganui" title="Category:Region of Manawatu-Wanganui">Category:Region of Manawatu-Wanganui</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Manawatu-Whanganui_Region" title="Category:Manawatu-Whanganui Region">Category:Manawatu-Whanganui Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Marlborough" title="Category:Region of Marlborough">Category:Region of Marlborough</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Marlborough_Region" title="Category:Marlborough Region">Category:Marlborough Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Nelson" title="Category:Region of Nelson">Category:Region of Nelson</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Nelson_Region" title="Category:Nelson Region">Category:Nelson Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Northland" title="Category:Region of Northland">Category:Region of Northland</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Northland_Region" title="Category:Northland Region">Category:Northland Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Otago" title="Category:Region of Otago">Category:Region of Otago</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Otago_Region" title="Category:Otago Region">Category:Otago Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Southland" title="Category:Region of Southland">Category:Region of Southland</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Southland_Region" title="Category:Southland Region">Category:Southland Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Taranaki" title="Category:Region of Taranaki">Category:Region of Taranaki</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Taranaki_Region" title="Category:Taranaki Region">Category:Taranaki Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Tasman" title="Category:Region of Tasman">Category:Region of Tasman</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Tasman_Region" title="Category:Tasman Region">Category:Tasman Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Waikato" title="Category:Region of Waikato">Category:Region of Waikato</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Waikato_Region" title="Category:Waikato Region">Category:Waikato Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_Wellington" title="Category:Region of Wellington">Category:Region of Wellington</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:Wellington_Region" title="Category:Wellington Region">Category:Wellington Region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Region_of_West_Coast" title="Category:Region of West Coast">Category:Region of West Coast</a> > <a href="/wiki/Category:West_Coast_Region" title="Category:West Coast Region">Category:West Coast Region</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>All of them <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi>! --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Diego_Grez&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Diego Grez (page does not exist)">Diego Grez</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" title="User talk:Diego Grez">return fire</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Diego_Grez-2010-06-20T03:56:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-06-19T06:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks for processing this request. You might like to consider giving the bot a command to take care of future category moves. <a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-06-20T04:29:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2010-06-20T03:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> Closing as resolved. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-03T06:46:00.000Z-Category:Region_of_Auckland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Alter_Dom_Mariä_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Alter_Dom_Mariä_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)-2010-04-05T17:34:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Alter_Dom_Mari%C3%A4_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Alter Dom Mariä Himmelfahrt (Linz) (page does not exist)">Category:Alter Dom Mariä Himmelfahrt (Linz)</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/04/Category:Alter_Dom_Mari%C3%A4_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Alter Dom Mariä Himmelfahrt (Linz)">edit</a>]</div> Wrong category name ("Mariä Himmelfahrt" is wrong), the corrected category is <a href="/wiki/Category:Alter_Dom_(Linz)" title="Category:Alter Dom (Linz)">Category:Alter Dom (Linz)</a>. This category should be deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dein_Freund_der_Baum" title="User:Dein Freund der Baum">Dein Freund der Baum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dein_Freund_der_Baum" title="User talk:Dein Freund der Baum">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Dein_Freund_der_Baum-2010-04-05T17:34:00.000Z-Category:Alter_Dom_Mariä_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Done, already deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2010-08-14T15:59:00.000Z-Category:Alter_Dom_Mariä_Himmelfahrt_(Linz)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre-2010-06-22T06:44:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Photos misused as evidence of Nanjing Massacre (page does not exist)">Category:Photos misused as evidence of Nanjing Massacre</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/06/Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Photos misused as evidence of Nanjing Massacre">edit</a>]</div> <div class="resolved"><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Resolved</div> This category appears to be part of an insiduous campaign by Japanese denialists of the Nanking massacre. Most of the images are actually used in articles which present them as scenes from the Nanking massacre without qualification. By allowing this category to exist Commons is effectively making the statement that all these articles are mistaken, or worse, deliberately misleading. This is a way of making a political point without the inconvenience of having to find reliable sources as Wikipedia would demand. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinningspark" title="User:Spinningspark">SpinningSpark</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Spinningspark-2010-06-22T06:44:00.000Z-Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The category's name is totally unacceptable, for the reasons given above. A category name which clearly expresses an opinion on an historical event, no matter whether it is orthodox or controversialist as here, gives the impression that Wikimedia supports that view. This and any similar categories needs to be deleted as soon as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatiomaros" title="User:Anatiomaros">Anatiomaros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatiomaros" title="User talk:Anatiomaros">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Anatiomaros-2010-06-22T23:06:00.000Z-Spinningspark-2010-06-22T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have moved the images back to the original <a href="/wiki/Category:Nanjing_Massacre" title="Category:Nanjing Massacre">Category: Nanjing Massacre</a> so this category is currently empty. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinningspark" title="User:Spinningspark">SpinningSpark</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Spinningspark-2010-06-23T06:37:00.000Z-Anatiomaros-2010-06-22T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> I created this category and moved some photos there because these photos are not related to Nanking Massacre. As a native Nanjinese, I'm surely not a denialist. You have to admit that some photos used as illustration of the massacre happened somewhere else. I suggest move these photos to a category such as War crimes commited by Japanese Army in China, but please do not move them back to category:Nanjing Massacre. --<a href="/wiki/User:MtBell" title="User:MtBell">MtBell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBell" title="User talk:MtBell">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MtBell-2010-06-29T14:01:00.000Z-Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for clarifying the situation. I'm not in a position to judge whether the photos concerned belong in the Nanjing Massacre category or not, but if you can show that they don't belong there then by all means move them to the more general *War crimes... category, or perhaps another, more specific one if the location[s] are known. Either way, the category *Photos misused as evidence of Nanjing Massacre needs deleting. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatiomaros" title="User:Anatiomaros">Anatiomaros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatiomaros" title="User talk:Anatiomaros">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Anatiomaros-2010-06-29T22:28:00.000Z-MtBell-2010-06-29T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have moved these photos to some general categories. --<a href="/wiki/User:MtBell" title="User:MtBell">MtBell</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MtBell" title="User talk:MtBell">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MtBell-2010-07-06T18:55:00.000Z-Anatiomaros-2010-06-29T22:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> I've deleted this category per the above discussion. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jmabel-2010-07-14T21:11:00.000Z-Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Done. The files have been moved and the category has been deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2010-08-14T15:50:00.000Z-Category:Photos_misused_as_evidence_of_Nanjing_Massacre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty-2010-05-07T17:16:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:University of Eastern Michigan faculty (page does not exist)">Category:University of Eastern Michigan faculty</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/05/Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:University of Eastern Michigan faculty">edit</a>]</div> Category is misnamed, and the correctly-named category (<a href="/wiki/Category:Eastern_Michigan_University_faculty" title="Category:Eastern Michigan University faculty">Category:Eastern Michigan University faculty</a>) already exists. I've moved the single image from this category to the correct one, so it is now empty. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cmadler" title="User:Cmadler">cmadler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cmadler" title="User talk:Cmadler">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Cmadler-2010-05-07T17:16:00.000Z-Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> May I make a suggestion. This may benefit from a {{Category redirect|Category:Eastern Michigan University faculty}} tag instead of a delete. However thi is just a comment.--<a href="/wiki/User:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User:ARTEST4ECHO">ARTEST4ECHO</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User talk:ARTEST4ECHO">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ARTEST4ECHO-2010-05-12T20:38:00.000Z-Cmadler-2010-05-07T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>If that's a more appropriate outcome, I'm fine with that. I don't do much editing on Commons, more on English Wikipedia, and I know that norms for deletion versus redirect can be different. My thought was that "University of X" and "X University" are not necessarily the same (the best known US example is probably Miami University, which is in Ohio near the Miami River, and the University of Miami, which is in Miami, Florida; another example is Findlay University, which changed the name to University of Findlay to avoid the abbreviation <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:FU" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:FU">FU</a>), and in this case, there has never been such a thing as the University of Eastern Michigan, only Eastern Michigan University. But if the norm at Commons leans more to redirecting incorrectly-named categories rather than deleting, that's fine with me, I just thought it should be cleaned up somehow! Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Cmadler" title="User:Cmadler">cmadler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cmadler" title="User talk:Cmadler">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Cmadler-2010-05-13T13:01:00.000Z-ARTEST4ECHO-2010-05-12T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:FU" class="extiw" title="wikt:en:FU">FU</a>) Funny. To be honest, I don't know what the norms for deletion versus redirect is either. I was just thinking that (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:University of Eastern Michigan (page does not exist)">Category:University of Eastern Michigan</a>) vs (<a href="/wiki/Category:Eastern_Michigan_University" title="Category:Eastern Michigan University">Category:Eastern Michigan University</a>) might be a common mistake. However, I don't know that it is. I think you should do what ever you think is best since you know more about the subject. However, I agree that the way it is now is WRONG.--<a href="/wiki/User:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User:ARTEST4ECHO">ARTEST4ECHO</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ARTEST4ECHO" title="User talk:ARTEST4ECHO">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ARTEST4ECHO-2010-05-13T15:49:00.000Z-ARTEST4ECHO-2010-05-12T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li> <li>Just delete. In the U.S., FOO University and University of FOO are simply not interchangeable. Besides the aforementioned Miami case, consider <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Washington" class="extiw" title="w:University of Washington">University of Washington</a> (Seattle and other locations in Washington State) and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_University" class="extiw" title="w:Washington University">Washington University</a> (St. Louis, Missouri), not to mention <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_University" class="extiw" title="w:Washington State University">Washington State University</a> (Pullman and other locations in Washington State). - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jmabel-2010-07-14T20:58:00.000Z-Cmadler-2010-05-07T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> Closed as resolved. Category was deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-04T04:09:00.000Z-Category:University_of_Eastern_Michigan_faculty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories-2010-08-04T03:59:00.000Z">Category renames for quick review - Round 1: Meta categories</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category renames for quick review - Round 1: Meta categories">edit</a>]</div> During my work with categories I come across a lot of non-standard, inconsistent, grammatically incorrect, misspelled, or wrongly capitalized names. I normally try to deal with them when I encounter them, however, a lot of the time I discover them while doing some other category maintenance task and can't be bothered to keep making rename requests or bot commands, so instead I keep a list of them to get to when I have time. Since I'm perfectly aware I'm not perfect and I'm not 100% sure on some of them, I'm going to be submitting portions, like this, of my ever-growing list occasionally for review by others before I perform the moves. I don't think any of these really need discussion, I would just a few others to quickly review them. As I don't think any of these are controversial, I'll probably only wait a week or so (unless arguments are raised). Of course, you're welcome to make any of the moves yourself. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-04T03:59:00.000Z-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Plural_to_singular" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plural_to_singular-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories">Plural to singular</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Plural to singular">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Works_by_millennia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Works by millennia (page does not exist)">Works by millennia</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Works_by_millennium" title="Category:Works by millennium">Works by millennium</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:History_of_Bulgaria_by_events&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:History of Bulgaria by events (page does not exist)">History of Bulgaria by events</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Bulgaria_by_event" title="Category:History of Bulgaria by event">History of Bulgaria by event</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Zoos_by_animals&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Zoos by animals (page does not exist)">Zoos by animals</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Zoos_by_type_of_animal" title="Category:Zoos by type of animal">Zoos by type of animal</a> (the plural is technically correct because it's talking about groups of animals not individual ones, however I think it's clearer to always express these "by xxx" criteria in the singular and "type" is singular)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Birds_at_Jurong_Bird_Park_by_taxa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Birds at Jurong Bird Park by taxa (page does not exist)">Birds at Jurong Bird Park by taxa</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Birds_at_Jurong_Bird_Park_by_taxon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Birds at Jurong Bird Park by taxon (page does not exist)">Birds at Jurong Bird Park by taxon</a> (I'm not sure "taxon" is even correct because it uses common-name groups which may or may not mean the same as scientifically defined groups, for example, "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Birds_of_prey_in_Jurong_Bird_Park&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Birds of prey in Jurong Bird Park (page does not exist)">birds of prey</a>" probably doesn't)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Loaders_by_manufacturers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Loaders by manufacturers (page does not exist)">Loaders by manufacturers</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Loaders_by_manufacturer" title="Category:Loaders by manufacturer">Loaders by manufacturer</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Schools_in_Lima_by_districts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Schools in Lima by districts (page does not exist)">Schools in Lima by districts</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Schools_in_Lima_by_district" title="Category:Schools in Lima by district">Schools in Lima by district</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Screenshots_by_video_games&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Screenshots by video games (page does not exist)">Screenshots by video games</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Screenshots_by_video_game" title="Category:Screenshots by video game">Screenshots by video game</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Dinosaurs_by_genera&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Dinosaurs by genera (page does not exist)">Dinosaurs by genera</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Dinosaurs_by_genus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Dinosaurs by genus (page does not exist)">Dinosaurs by genus</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Dinosauria_by_genus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Dinosauria by genus (page does not exist)">Dinosauria by genus</a> (since it's a taxon category) or <a href="/wiki/Category:Genera_of_Dinosauria" title="Category:Genera of Dinosauria">Genera of Dinosauria</a> (preferred as it's not really a meta-category)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Churches_in_Lithuania_by_districts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Churches in Lithuania by districts (page does not exist)">Churches in Lithuania by districts</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Churches_in_Lithuania_by_district" title="Category:Churches in Lithuania by district">Churches in Lithuania by district</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_streets&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tel Aviv-Yaffo by streets (page does not exist)">Tel Aviv-Yaffo by streets</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_street&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tel Aviv-Yaffo by street (page does not exist)">Tel Aviv-Yaffo by street</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_Neighborhoods&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tel Aviv-Yaffo by Neighborhoods (page does not exist)">Tel Aviv-Yaffo by Neighborhoods</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_neighborhood&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Tel Aviv-Yaffo by neighborhood (page does not exist)">Tel Aviv-Yaffo by neighborhood</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Coats_of_arms_by_tinctures&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Coats of arms by tinctures (page does not exist)">Coats of arms by tinctures</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Coats_of_arms_by_tincture" title="Category:Coats of arms by tincture">Coats of arms by tincture</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Statues_in_Japan_by_prefectures&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Statues in Japan by prefectures (page does not exist)">Statues in Japan by prefectures</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Statues_in_Japan_by_prefecture" title="Category:Statues in Japan by prefecture">Statues in Japan by prefecture</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:History_of_Belarus_by_city_and_villages&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:History of Belarus by city and villages (page does not exist)">History of Belarus by city and villages</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Belarus_by_city_or_village" title="Category:History of Belarus by city or village">History of Belarus by city or village</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:History_of_Belarus_by_city&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:History of Belarus by city (page does not exist)">History of Belarus by city</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Spelling_errors" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spelling_errors-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories">Spelling errors</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: Spelling errors">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buildings_in_Katowice_by_disctrict&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buildings in Katowice by disctrict (page does not exist)">Buildings in Katowice by disctrict</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Buildings_in_Katowice_by_district" title="Category:Buildings in Katowice by district">Buildings in Katowice by district</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Parliamentarians_by_Political_party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Parliamentarians by Political party (page does not exist)">Parliamentarians by Political party</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Parliamentarians_by_political_party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Parliamentarians by political party (page does not exist)">Parliamentarians by political party</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Events_in_France_by_departement&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Events in France by departement (page does not exist)">Events in France by departement</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Events_in_France_by_department" title="Category:Events in France by department">Events in France by department</a> (department is département in French but "departement" is not a English word)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Ancient_Roman_sites_in_France_by_departement&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Ancient Roman sites in France by departement (page does not exist)">Ancient Roman sites in France by departement</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Ancient_Roman_sites_in_France_by_department" title="Category:Ancient Roman sites in France by department">Ancient Roman sites in France by department</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Loire_River_by_departement&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Loire River by departement (page does not exist)">Loire River by departement</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Loire_River_by_department" title="Category:Loire River by department">Loire River by department</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Loire_River_in_France_by_department&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Loire River in France by department (page does not exist)">Loire River in France by department</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buses_in_Midi-Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es_by_departement&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buses in Midi-Pyrénées by departement (page does not exist)">Buses in Midi-Pyrénées by departement</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buses_in_Midi-Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es_by_department&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buses in Midi-Pyrénées by department (page does not exist)">Buses in Midi-Pyrénées by department</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Incorrect_capitalization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incorrect_capitalization-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories">Incorrect capitalization</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: Incorrect capitalization">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Bridges_in_Germany_by_State&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Bridges in Germany by State (page does not exist)">Bridges in Germany by State</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Bridges_in_Germany_by_state" title="Category:Bridges in Germany by state">Bridges in Germany by state</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buildings_in_Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_Name&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buildings in Tel Aviv-Yaffo by Name (page does not exist)">Buildings in Tel Aviv-Yaffo by Name</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buildings_in_Tel_Aviv-Yaffo_by_name&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buildings in Tel Aviv-Yaffo by name (page does not exist)">Buildings in Tel Aviv-Yaffo by name</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Climate_by_Department&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Climate by Department (page does not exist)">Climate by Department</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Climate_of_France_by_department&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Climate of France by department (page does not exist)">Climate of France by department</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Category:Categories_of_France_by_department" title="Category:Categories of France by department">Category:Categories of France by department</a>)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Awkward_and_poorly_formed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Awkward_and_poorly_formed-Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories-2010-08-04T04:00:00.000Z">Awkward and poorly formed</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category_renames_for_quick_review_-_Round_1:_Meta_categories&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: Awkward and poorly formed">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Bird_anatomy_(general),_by_component&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Bird anatomy (general), by component (page does not exist)">Bird anatomy (general), by component</a> → merge → <a href="/wiki/Category:Bird_anatomy" title="Category:Bird anatomy">Bird anatomy</a> (put these back in the main cat as they form the main (and only) type of subdivision of it; see also <a href="/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/06/Category:Human_beings,_by_chronological_age" title="Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/06/Category:Human beings, by chronological age">this CFD</a> for equally crappy names)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Cities_and_towns_of_Qu%C3%A9bec,_by_administrative_region&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Cities and towns of Québec, by administrative region (page does not exist)">Cities and towns of Québec, by administrative region</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Cities_and_towns_of_Quebec_by_administrative_region" title="Category:Cities and towns of Quebec by administrative region">Cities and towns of Quebec by administrative region</a> (random comma, non-English name, should match <a href="/wiki/Category:Quebec" title="Category:Quebec">Quebec</a>)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Cities_and_towns_of_Qu%C3%A9bec,_by_regional_county_municipality_(RCM)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Cities and towns of Québec, by regional county municipality (RCM) (page does not exist)">Cities and towns of Québec, by regional county municipality (RCM)</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Cities_and_towns_of_Quebec_by_regional_county_municipality_(RCM)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Cities and towns of Quebec by regional county municipality (RCM) (page does not exist)">Cities and towns of Quebec by regional county municipality (RCM)</a> (random comma, non-English name, not sure if "(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_county_municipality" class="extiw" title="w:Regional county municipality">RCM</a>)" is needed.)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Plaques_in_Saint_Petersburg_by_organisation/company&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organisation/company (page does not exist)">Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organisation/company</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Plaques_in_Saint_Petersburg_by_organization_or_company&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organization or company (page does not exist)">Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organization or company</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques_in_Saint_Petersburg_by_organization" title="Category:Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organization">Plaques in Saint Petersburg by organization</a> (companies are a type of organization, <a href="/wiki/Category:Organizations" title="Category:Organizations">organization with a "z"</a> is by far more common)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Computer_graphics_by_software&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Computer graphics by software (page does not exist)">Computer graphics by software</a> → merge → <a href="/wiki/Category:Images_by_software_used" title="Category:Images by software used">Images by software used</a> (it's redundant—"by software used" implies "computer graphics", without the "used" part it's ambiguous)</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Images_from_Wikis_Take_Manhattan_by_participant/team&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Images from Wikis Take Manhattan by participant/team (page does not exist)">Images from Wikis Take Manhattan by participant/team</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wikis_Take_Manhattan_by_participant_or_team" title="Category:Images from Wikis Take Manhattan by participant or team">Images from Wikis Take Manhattan by participant or team</a></li></ul> - <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-04T04:00:00.000Z-Awkward_and_poorly_formed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> <img alt="✓" src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> <bdi>Done</bdi> <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-11T17:07:00.000Z-Awkward_and_poorly_formed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station-2010-08-05T17:55:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Burley Wharfdale railway station (page does not exist)">Category:Burley Wharfdale railway station</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Burley Wharfdale railway station">edit</a>]</div> Reasons for discussion request -- Wrong spelling for station name. Category created with correct spelling (Burley in Wharfedale railway station) and images moved. Next time I'll request a category move. <a href="/wiki/User:Scillystuff" title="User:Scillystuff">Scillystuff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scillystuff" title="User talk:Scillystuff">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Scillystuff-2010-08-05T17:55:00.000Z-Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> Empty anyway --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-13T06:14:00.000Z-Scillystuff-2010-08-05T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> Deleted, misspelled. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2010-08-14T14:05:00.000Z-Category:Burley_Wharfdale_railway_station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Company_Gardens" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Company_Gardens-2010-08-05T22:39:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Company_Gardens&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Company Gardens (page does not exist)">Category:Company Gardens</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Company_Gardens&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Company Gardens">edit</a>]</div> Should be moved to <a href="/wiki/Category:Company%27s_Garden" title="Category:Company's Garden">Category:Company's Garden</a>, as that is the usual way of writing the name; see e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/parks/facilities/Pages/CapeTownGardens.aspx">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/development/ctgreen-230807.htm">[3]</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Htonl" title="User:Htonl">Htonl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htonl" title="User talk:Htonl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Htonl-2010-08-05T22:39:00.000Z-Category:Company_Gardens" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Seems a good idea. A quick search over books in archive.org confirms that "Company's Gardens" is the more common spelling. I origionally create the category using the spelling from the en article name, but I see you have already moved that article to the new name. --<a href="/wiki/User:NJR_ZA" title="User:NJR ZA">NJR_ZA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NJR_ZA" title="User talk:NJR ZA">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-NJR_ZA-2010-08-06T06:49:00.000Z-Htonl-2010-08-05T22:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 6 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Done, moved to <a href="/wiki/Category:Company%27s_Garden" title="Category:Company's Garden">Category:Company's Garden</a>, as this seems to be the official name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2010-08-14T14:01:00.000Z-Category:Company_Gardens" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh mw-archivedtalk"><div lang="en" dir="auto">This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the <a href="/wiki/Commons:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:D">deletion policy</a> or ask a question at the <a href="/wiki/Commons:VP" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:VP">Village pump</a>. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may <a href="/wiki/Commons:DEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:DEL">re-nominate</a> this file or <a href="/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests" title="Commons:Undeletion requests">ask for it to be undeleted</a>.</div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories-2010-08-01T10:04:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:SVG Location maps categories (page does not exist)">Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories">edit</a>]</div> Redundant with <a href="/wiki/Category:Location_maps_by_country" title="Category:Location maps by country">Category:Location maps by country</a>. (I'm not sure why "SVG" is in the title, none of the subcategories are SVG-specific.) <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-01T10:04:00.000Z-Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I feel there is a need for SVG maps.</dd> <dd>However I agree, all the files and subcategories need to be SVG specific. —Preceding <a href="/wiki/Commons:TALK#Markup" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:TALK">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.244.98.245" title="Special:Contributions/188.244.98.245">188.244.98.245</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:188.244.98.245&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:188.244.98.245 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-188.244.98.245-2010-08-09T10:21:00.000Z-Rocket000-2010-08-01T10:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You're right, but this category is not it. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-11T16:36:00.000Z-188.244.98.245-2010-08-09T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> nuke it. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:56:00.000Z-Rocket000-2010-08-01T10:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> Move to <a href="/wiki/Category:Location_maps_by_country" title="Category:Location maps by country">Category:Location maps by country</a> where they belong. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-13T06:11:00.000Z-Rocket000-2010-08-01T10:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Category:Location_maps_by_country" title="Category:Location maps by country">Category:Location maps by country</a> Only waiting for Delinker to delete. --<a href="/wiki/User:Manuelt15" title="User:Manuelt15">Màñüé£†¹5</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Manuelt15#top" title="User talk:Manuelt15">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Manuelt15-2010-09-03T17:56:00.000Z-Category:SVG_Location_maps_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:ARD-Rose" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:ARD-Rose-2010-08-29T17:31:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:ARD-Rose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:ARD-Rose (page does not exist)">Category:ARD-Rose</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:ARD-Rose&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:ARD-Rose">edit</a>]</div> typo (correct is <a href="/wiki/Category:ADR-Rose" title="Category:ADR-Rose">Category:ADR-Rose</a>) --<a href="/wiki/User:Anna_reg" title="User:Anna reg">Anna reg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anna_reg" title="User talk:Anna reg">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Anna_reg-2010-08-29T17:31:00.000Z-Category:ARD-Rose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Deleted: 30 August 2010 by <a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Foroa" title="Special:Contributions/Foroa">contribs</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:AusTerrapin" title="User:AusTerrapin">AusTerrapin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AusTerrapin" title="User talk:AusTerrapin">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-AusTerrapin-2010-10-10T16:55:00.000Z-Category:ARD-Rose" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage-2010-08-03T02:50:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Documents from the Den of Espionage (page does not exist)">Category:Documents from the Den of Espionage</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Documents from the Den of Espionage">edit</a>]</div> This is a pejorative title, it ought to be <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Documents_from_the_U.S._Embassy,_Tehran&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Documents from the U.S. Embassy, Tehran (page does not exist)">Category:Documents from the U.S. Embassy, Tehran</a> per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Embassy,_Tehran" class="extiw" title="en:U.S. Embassy, Tehran">en:U.S. Embassy, Tehran</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-08-03T02:50:00.000Z-Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Benchill is right, category should be moved to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Documents_from_the_U.S._Embassy,_Tehran&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Documents from the U.S. Embassy, Tehran (page does not exist)">Category:Documents from the U.S. Embassy, Tehran</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:High_Contrast" title="User:High Contrast">High Contrast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:High_Contrast" title="User talk:High Contrast">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-High_Contrast-2010-09-15T16:26:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-08-03T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Deleted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2011-06-08T06:15:00.000Z-Category:Documents_from_the_Den_of_Espionage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores-2010-08-13T07:05:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:2006, stamps on envelores (page does not exist)">Category:2006, stamps on envelores</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:2006, stamps on envelores">edit</a>]</div> "Envelores" is not an English word. Could be a typo for "envelopes", except none of these are visibly on envelopes. Subcat of <a href="/wiki/Category:Stamps_of_Moldova,_2006" title="Category:Stamps of Moldova, 2006">Category:Stamps of Moldova, 2006</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Stamps_of_Moldova" title="Category:Stamps of Moldova">Category:Stamps of Moldova</a>, so apparently the intent is something specific to Moldova. I have no idea whether there is a valid category here, but clearly if there is it is misnamed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jmabel-2010-08-13T07:05:00.000Z-Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I am afraid that the whole <a href="/wiki/Category:Stamps_of_Moldova" title="Category:Stamps of Moldova">Category:Stamps of Moldova</a> tree is seen as a traditional file directory system and a mess, for example none of the categories in <a href="/wiki/Category:Stamps_of_Moldova,_2006" title="Category:Stamps of Moldova, 2006">Category:Stamps of Moldova, 2006</a> have an acceptable name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-13T07:43:00.000Z-Jmabel-2010-08-13T07:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Actually, these are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://home.nestor.minsk.by/fsunews/moldova/ps2006/index.html">envelopes with stamps printed on them</a>. Stamps on envelopes doesn't quite cover that, of course, much less envelores. The proper name for this kind of thing is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wp:Postal_stationery" class="extiw" title="en:wp:Postal stationery">postal stationery</a>. We have a <a href="/wiki/Category:Postal_stationery" title="Category:Postal stationery">category</a> for that. I would propose the following categories: <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Postal_stationery" title="Category:Postal stationery">Category:Postal stationery</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Postal_stationery_of_Moldova&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Postal stationery of Moldova (page does not exist)">Category:Postal stationery of Moldova</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Postal_stationery_of_Moldova,_2005&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Postal stationery of Moldova, 2005 (page does not exist)">Category:Postal stationery of Moldova, 2005</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Postal_stationery_of_Moldova,_2006&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Postal stationery of Moldova, 2006 (page does not exist)">Category:Postal stationery of Moldova, 2006</a></li> <li>...</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Category:2006, stamps on envelores would be renamed to Category:Postal stationery of Moldova, 2006. 2002, postal stamps and so on can be upmerged to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Stamps_of_Moldova,_2002&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Stamps of Moldova, 2002 (page does not exist)">Stamps of Moldova, 2002</a>. The information that these stamps are "according to" this or the other catalog should be on the description page. I'm not quite sure what "according to" is supposed to mean in this context. Were they scanned from the catalog or were they verified to be genuine, with the help of the catalog? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rimshot" title="User:Rimshot">rimshot</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rimshot" title="User talk:Rimshot">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rimshot-2010-08-14T13:51:00.000Z-Jmabel-2010-08-13T07:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> "Postal stationery", assuming it is factually correct, sounds good to me. I've circled back once more (this time in Romanian) to the person who created this category, hoping he/she will weigh in. - <a href="/wiki/User:Jmabel" title="User:Jmabel">Jmabel</a> ! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel" title="User talk:Jmabel">talk</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jmabel-2010-08-14T16:44:00.000Z-Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] Is there any issue with putting the year first instead of last in the category? E.g. 2006 stamps of Moldova, following the parent <a href="/wiki/Category:2006_stamps" title="Category:2006 stamps">Category:2006 stamps</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:BrokenSphere" title="User:BrokenSphere">BrokenSphere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrokenSphere" title="User talk:BrokenSphere">Talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:01:00.000Z-Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The date is a qualifier, not a topic as such. If we start categorising like that, the real date related categories will be overwhelmed by those types of categories. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-19T06:52:00.000Z-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Fixed as discussed --<a href="/wiki/User:Moogsi" title="User:Moogsi">moogsi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moogsi" title="User talk:Moogsi">blah</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Moogsi-2013-03-17T21:35:00.000Z-Category:2006,_stamps_on_envelores" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 17 March 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Thai_Airways" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Thai_Airways-2010-08-23T02:37:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Thai_Airways" class="mw-disambig" title="Category:Thai Airways">Category:Thai Airways</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Thai_Airways&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Thai Airways">edit</a>]</div> Title is ambiguous per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Airways" class="extiw" title="en:Thai Airways">en:Thai Airways</a>, it ought to be <a href="/wiki/Category:Thai_Airways_International" title="Category:Thai Airways International">Category:Thai Airways International</a> per the en Wikipedia article name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Benchill" title="User:Benchill">Benchill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Benchill" title="User talk:Benchill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Benchill-2010-08-23T02:37:00.000Z-Category:Thai_Airways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> A {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Move" title="Template:Move">move</a>}} request might be more efficient for such obvious cases. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-26T07:46:00.000Z-Benchill-2010-08-23T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Closed since it has already been turned into a disambiguation. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:03:00.000Z-Category:Thai_Airways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Road_signs_by_shape" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Road_signs_by_shape-2010-08-24T20:39:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_by_shape" title="Category:Road signs by shape">Category:Road signs by shape</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Road_signs_by_shape&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Road signs by shape">edit</a>]</div> Should we use this category or just direct users to <a href="/wiki/Category:Signs_by_shape" title="Category:Signs by shape">Category:Signs by shape</a>? Personally, I think we should provide a way to search road signs by shape, but this could also be done by using "Signs by shape" together with some of the other subcategories of "road signs". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-24T20:39:00.000Z-Category:Road_signs_by_shape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think, it is reasonable and relevant to have such special subcategory in the category Signs by shape. There exist no many used shapes and very many road signs using them. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-25T21:17:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-24T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Ok for me. How shall we structure the subcategories? In some countries, some categories of signs have generally a specific shape (e.g. warning signs, prohibitory signs, etc.), but I think it's generally preferable to make all categories for specific signs with a defined form direct subcategories of the one of a shape (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Category:Red_octagonal_stop_signs" title="Category:Red octagonal stop signs">Category:Red octagonal stop signs</a> would be a subcategory of "Octagonal signs"). This avoids tendency to find subcategories with signs of a different form. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> <dl><dd>If a whole subcategory from some country contains signs of identical shape, it can be en bloc categorized by shape, e. g. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Prohibitory_traffic_signs_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Prohibitory traffic signs in the Czech Republic">Prohibitory traffic signs in the Czech Republic</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_prohibitory_traffic_signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round prohibitory traffic signs (page does not exist)">Round prohibitory traffic signs</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Round_road_signs" title="Category:Round road signs">Round road signs</a>, and possibly paralelly</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Prohibitory_traffic_signs_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Prohibitory traffic signs in the Czech Republic">Prohibitory traffic signs in the Czech Republic</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Round_traffic_signs_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Round traffic signs in the Czech Republic">Round traffic signs in the Czech Republic</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Round_road_signs" title="Category:Round road signs">Round road signs</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>If the group isn't homogenic (like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Diagrams_of_operative_informatory_road_signs_of_the_Czech_Republic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Diagrams of operative informatory road signs of the Czech Republic (page does not exist)">this one</a>], it will not be categorized by shape en bloc, but it can have subcategories by shape (a square on its side, a square on the top, a rectangle) or in some similar way. Paralelly, signs can be categorized by meaning, e. g.: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Zeichen_209" title="Category:Zeichen 209">Zeichen 209</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_turn_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round turn signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Round turn signs in Germany</a> (or only <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Turn_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Turn signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Turn signs in Germany</a>) → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_mandatory_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round mandatory signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Round mandatory signs in Germany</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_mandatory_traffic_signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round mandatory traffic signs (page does not exist)">Round mandatory traffic signs</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Round_road_signs" title="Category:Round road signs">Round road signs</a>), and paralelly</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Zeichen_209" title="Category:Zeichen 209">Zeichen 209</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_turn_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round turn signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Round turn signs in Germany</a> (or only <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Turn_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Turn signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Turn signs in Germany</a>) → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_turn_signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round turn signs (page does not exist)">Round turn signs</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Round_mandatory_traffic_signs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Round mandatory traffic signs (page does not exist)">Round mandatory traffic signs</a> → <a href="/wiki/Category:Round_road_signs" title="Category:Round road signs">Round road signs</a>)</li></ul></dd> <dd>As we can see, category branches are interlacing on every level so much as possible. There's no need to invent some rigid scheme, every country have some local specifics of grouping and shapes. It is sufficient to respect general rules of categorization (to avoid useless overcategorization) but i see no special problem on this theme. If we will do so, the ideal grouping and structure should happen with time "of itself". Shapes are very simple criterion.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I think, there exist more complicated problems, e. g. that "mandatory" or "prohibitory" or "operational" signs etc. are defined in every country a bit different - not only worldwide but even within Geneva and Vienna conventions area. For example Slovakia moved signs of traffic lanes from "informational" signs to "mandatory" signs in 2009. It is random whether e. g. "Stop at customs" is clasified as a prohibitory sign or as a mandatory one. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-26T19:54:00.000Z-Category:Road_signs_by_shape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I tend to agree with your scheme when it includes "round" in the intermediary categories, but if the category name doesn't include that, it tends to get problematic.</dd> <dd>I'm aware of the added problems with terms like "prohibitory" and signs like "Stop at customs" that might mean "slow down, but don't necessarily stop", but let's try to get simpler things sorted out first. BTW, I have a personal preference for signs that aren't identical everywhere. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-26T20:05:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-26T19:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>If the category will not contain an explicite shape definition, we can somethink presume only if such category contains a complete set of diagrams. (But even in such cases situation can become difficult because of some historic signs or a photo of some unstandardized sign like <a href="/wiki/File:Broumy,_Su%C5%A1%C3%A1rna,_zna%C4%8Dka_(01).jpg" title="File:Broumy, Sušárna, značka (01).jpg">this warning sign</a> can occure.) It depends whether such exception remain be a rarity or become to be more remarkable. As I said, we needn't to invent some scheme, it is sufficient to use standard common rules of categorization and standard maintenance. I agree that we would first try to assemble and group signs by kind and meaning. Many diagrams are not categorized by meaning yet, many countries haven't uploaded a complete set of diagrams, many meanings of signs have not their own specific category etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-27T01:04:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-26T20:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think you probably described quite well the point at which the subcategories without an explicit shape definition become problematic. As currently it's a bit hard to find anything, I rather outline this in advance to avoid that this becomes an issue later. There is nothing really being invented, but we still need to have some sort of category description to go by. This will make standard maintenance easier. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-09-01T04:46:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-27T01:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> I also support retention of the category. As there has been no further discussion recently, and because there is no consensus to deleted this, I have also removed the tag on the original category. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ingolfson-2010-12-22T07:31:00.000Z-Category:Road_signs_by_shape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Closed as per Ingolfson. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:13:00.000Z-Category:Road_signs_by_shape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_Písek_District_and_some_related_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_Písek_District_and_some_rela-2010-08-25T21:27:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_P%C3%ADsek_District&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in Písek District (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in Písek District</a> and some related categories</h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_P%C3%ADsek_District&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in Písek District and some related categories">edit</a>]</div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_P%C3%ADsek_District&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in Písek District (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in Písek District</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_South_Bohemian_Region&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in South Bohemian Region (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in South Bohemian Region</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_the_Czech_Republic_by_region&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in the Czech Republic by region (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language in the Czech Republic by region</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech language</a></li> <li>(the category <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_by_language&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques by language (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques by language</a> was deleted by Foroa on 06:05, 18 August 2010)</li></ul> All those 5 newly created categories contained only one image (in the first one) still - <a href="/wiki/File:%C4%8C%C3%AD%C5%BEov%C3%A1,_pam%C4%9Btn%C3%AD_deska_v%C4%8Dela%C5%99sk%C3%A9ho_spolku.JPG" title="File:Čížová, pamětní deska včelařského spolku.JPG">File:Čížová, pamětní deska včelařského spolku.JPG</a>. 1) Recently several categories "Memorial plaques..." was deleted or redirected to "Plaques..." because the main category <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques" title="Category:Plaques">Category:Plaques</a> is described as intended for "memorial signs", i. e. the adjective "memorial" is uselessly tautologic and tempting to duplicities. (Also <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_Republic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech Republic (page does not exist)">Category:Memorial plaques in the Czech Republic</a> is requested to merge with <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Plaques in the Czech Republic">Category:Plaques in the Czech Republic</a> now.) 2) It is question whether is reasonable to create so particular combined categories. Isn't inadequate to create categories combining more criteria (geographical, language and type of object) on so low level (district) and for so few files? Is it reasonable to anticipate that the existing content will be methodically assorted by somebody in this way? 3) Now, the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques" title="Category:Plaques">Category:Plaques</a> has no subcategories "by language" and the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Plaques in the Czech Republic">Category:Plaques in the Czech Republic</a> is geographicaly divided by region only. Isn't categorization "by language" duplicite to categorization "by country" for plaques which use only the local official language? Is it a good impulse for mass creation and filling of such categories? --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-25T21:27:00.000Z-Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_Písek_District_and_some_rela" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dt>See related discussion <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Plaques" title="Category talk:Plaques">Category talk:Plaques</a> that we should probably integrate in the discussion on <a href="/wiki/Category:Memorial_tablets" title="Category:Memorial tablets">Category:Memorial tablets</a></dt> <dd>1) A quick first part of a reply. We removed the "memorial plaques by country" structure, although in principe this could be a more precise subcategory of plaques. Problem is that the majority of the current contents in plaques are <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_plaque" class="extiw" title="en:Commemorative plaque">en:Commemorative plaques</a> and even memorial plaques (event related). There are a smaller number of plaques that are more informational, in the sense "Napoleon lived here", this is such or such famous building, classified historical building, maintained by the city, designed by xxx .... So, with the volumes we do have and the categorisation style here, it might make more sense to say that by default, all plaques are memorial plaques, and a subcategory splits up the informational or non memorial plaques.</dd> <dd>2) It is often a mistake to assume that the natural "geographic" subcategorisation has to be reflected on all side categories: this brings no added value in finding things, to the contrary. It is often used only to keep the volume of a certain category to something manageable.</dd> <dd>3)For the rest, I have to think and look around, but for each "side-"categorisation on Commons, two basic questions have to be asked: does the category add significant value (will it be really used and helpful to find something) and is it natural to categorise in it (in other words, will those categories be maintained or stay empty as most "by name" categories). --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-26T06:44:00.000Z-Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_Písek_District_and_some_rela" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Ad 3) See as example <a href="/wiki/Category:Inscriptions_in_the_Czech_Republic_by_language" title="Category:Inscriptions in the Czech Republic by language">Category:Inscriptions in the Czech Republic by language</a>. It is interesting to segregate foreign-language inscriptions in some country to special subcategories. But a filling of the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Czech_inscriptions_in_the_Czech_Republic" title="Category:Czech inscriptions in the Czech Republic">Category:Czech inscriptions in the Czech Republic</a> seems to be unwieldy. Plaques are similar in this view. It is useful to separate German, Russian, Latin, Italian etc. plaques in the Czech Republic. But because most of plaques in the Czech Republic are in Czech language, such subcategory by language would be unmanageable and a bitt useles. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-26T20:40:00.000Z-Foroa-2010-08-26T06:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>3) Agree. All plaques are by default in the national language. And frankly, even in Belgium with its 3 official + English languages, I don't feel a need to make separate subcats for it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-27T06:32:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-26T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Memorial_tablets" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Memorial_tablets-2010-09-03T10:53:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Memorial_tablets" title="Category:Memorial tablets">Category:Memorial tablets</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Memorial_plaques_in_the_Czech_language_in_P%C3%ADsek_District&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Category:Memorial tablets">edit</a>]</div> There seems to be an agreement (=no protest) with ... to move here all the contents from <a href="/wiki/Category:Memorial_tablets" title="Category:Memorial tablets">Category:Memorial tablets</a> (and subcats) to related <a href="/wiki/Category:Plaques" title="Category:Plaques">Category:Plaques</a> (and subcats). --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-09-03T10:53:00.000Z-Category:Memorial_tablets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Closed, there is no separate Memorial plaques category, for now. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:41:00.000Z-Category:Memorial_tablets" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul's_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul's_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)-2010-08-27T23:30:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul%27s_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:St. Peter and St. Paul's Church- evangelic (Karlovy Vary) (page does not exist)">Category:St. Peter and St. Paul's Church- evangelic (Karlovy Vary)</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul%27s_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:St. Peter and St. Paul's Church- evangelic (Karlovy Vary)">edit</a>]</div> delete. Evangelich churches has no dedication. And for buildings we are using the name of the more recent use. So this would be Evangelic church in Karlovy Vary, if there is just one envangelic church in the city. --<a href="/wiki/User:Juan_de_Vojn%C3%ADkov" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Juan de Vojníkov">Juan de Vojníkov</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juan_de_Vojn%C3%ADkov" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Juan de Vojníkov">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Juan_de_Vojníkov-2010-08-27T23:30:00.000Z-Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul's_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>(A moving to <a href="/wiki/Category:Protestant_church_of_Saints_Peter_and_Paul_in_Karlovy_Vary" title="Category:Protestant church of Saints Peter and Paul in Karlovy Vary">Category:Protestant church of Saints Peter and Paul in Karlovy Vary</a> was requested even before this deletion request.)</dd></dl> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Symbol_keep_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_keep_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Keep</bdi>, consider the rename request preceding this delete request. The church really exists and is remarkable, then deletion request cannot be considered as serious. The most used name is: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.turistik.cz/cz/kraje/karlovarsky-kraj/okres-karlovy-vary/karlovy-vary/kostel-sv-petra-a-pavla-farskeho-karlovy-vary/">Evangelický kostel sv. Petra a Pavla v Karlových Varech</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.karlovy-vary.cz/cz/cirkevni-stavby">Evangelický kostel sv. Petra a Pavla</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://kso.kso.cz/index.php?view=venueevents&id=9%3Ahusitsky-kostel-svpetra-a-pavla&option=com_eventlist&Itemid=27&lang=cs">Husitský kostel sv. Petra a Pavla</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://vstupenky.karlovy-vary.cz/sal.php?jazyk=1&prdID=17574&soubor=17e58133dd7b6fbbd291f3d51ce22f48&mrs=7">Husitský kostel Petra a Pavla</a></li> <li>even the current owner (Czechoslovak Hussite Church), called it <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nabozenskaobecccshkarlovyvary.info/bohosluzby.html">kostel sv. Petra a Pavla</a></li></ul> When we try <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.google.cz/#hl=cs&q=evangelick%C3%BD+kostel+karlovy+vary&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=evangelick%C3%BD+kostel+karlovy+vary&gs_rfai=&fp=1585f034dfe902d1">evangelický kostel karlovy vary</a> in Google, every relevant finding contains also names of patron saints "Petra a Pavla". As we can read from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nabozenskaobecccshkarlovyvary.info/historie_no.html">the history of this church</a>, it was built in 1852 by Lutheran countess Schaumburg-Lippe as an oratory for all non-Catholic spa guests. Thus, the church never was Catholic but ever had its dedication - formerly as Lutheran only to St Peter, since 1946 Czechoslovak Church extended the patrocinium to St Paul. Then Juan's deduction is surely based on some fatal mistake. I requested a word "protestant" instead "evangelic" or "Hussite" because the church is known as "evangelic" but used by Czechoslovak Hussite Church, not by Evangelic Church of Czech Brethern. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-28T01:34:00.000Z-Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul's_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> Closed, since it has already been renamed. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T10:01:00.000Z-Category:St._Peter_and_St._Paul's_Church-_evangelic_(Karlovy_Vary)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Studentenverbindungen" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Studentenverbindungen-2010-08-30T08:21:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen">Category:Studentenverbindungen</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Studentenverbindungen&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Studentenverbindungen">edit</a>]</div> The term <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentenverbindung" class="extiw" title="w:Studentenverbindung">Studentenverbindungen</a> is a term of art referring to student fraternities in German-speaking communities. However, I notice that some categories have been created using the term "Student fraternities in ..." instead. Note that the English Wikipedia article states that Studentenverbindungen are similar but not identical to American college fraternities, so some confusion might be caused if we call them "student fraternities". Should we retain the term Studentenverbindungen, or translate it to "Student fraternities" in line with "<a href="/wiki/Commons:Language_policy" title="Commons:Language policy">Commons:Language policy</a>"? I am fine either way, so long as we use either the German term or its English translation consistently. — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-08-30T08:21:00.000Z-Category:Studentenverbindungen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please keep the German term! Studentenverbindungen are considerably different from American fraternities. The English Wikipedia and many others use the German term to name the corresponding articles: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentenverbindung" class="extiw" title="en:Studentenverbindung">en:Studentenverbindung</a>, <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentenverbindung" class="extiw" title="es:Studentenverbindung">es:Studentenverbindung</a>. See also similar subjects, like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burschenschaft" class="extiw" title="en:Burschenschaft">en:Burschenschaft</a>, etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:ALE!" title="User:ALE!">ALE!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ALE!" title="User talk:ALE!"> ¿…?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ALE!-2010-08-30T09:34:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Better stick with the German word, it is really different from American student fraternities. <a href="/wiki/User:Nageh" title="User:Nageh">Nageh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nageh" title="User talk:Nageh">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Nageh-2010-08-30T17:14:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Support for keeping the German term, which indeed defines a historic and current association and type of student's organisation which has significant differences from what would be a fraternity in the US, or the UK equivalents. They can be a subcategory under the broader term of student organizations. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ingolfson-2010-09-02T20:55:00.000Z-Nageh-2010-08-30T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>OK, I think we have consensus that the German term should be retained as it has a specific meaning that is not properly captured by any English term. — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-09-10T07:49:00.000Z-Ingolfson-2010-09-02T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>The categories in question such as "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Student_fraternities_in_St._Gallen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Student fraternities in St. Gallen (page does not exist)">Category:Student fraternities in St. Gallen</a>" have been renamed in the format "<a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_St._Gallen" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in St. Gallen">Category:Studentenverbindungen in St. Gallen</a>". Thanks to everyone for participating in this discussion. I think it can now be closed by an administrator. — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-09-15T08:17:00.000Z-Ingolfson-2010-09-02T20:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Whether_German_or_English_versions_of_place_names_should_be_used" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whether_German_or_English_versions_of_place_names_should_be_used-Category:Studentenverbindungen-2010-08-30T10:08:00.000Z">Whether German or English versions of place names should be used</h4>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Studentenverbindungen&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Whether German or English versions of place names should be used">edit</a>]</div> A related issue is whether German or English versions of place names should be used, for places with well-established English names: <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_K%C3%B6ln&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Köln (page does not exist)">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Köln</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_Cologne" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Cologne">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Cologne</a>?</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_M%C3%BCnchen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in München (page does not exist)">Category:Studentenverbindungen in München</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_Munich" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Munich">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Munich</a>?</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_N%C3%BCrnberg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Nürnberg (page does not exist)">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Nürnberg</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_Nuremberg" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Nuremberg">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Nuremberg</a>?</li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_Wien&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Wien (page does not exist)">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Wien</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_Vienna" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in Vienna">Category:Studentenverbindungen in Vienna</a>?</li></ul> — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-08-30T10:08:00.000Z-Whether_German_or_English_versions_of_place_names_should_be_used" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think there is no problem with this. --<a href="/wiki/User:ALE!" title="User:ALE!">ALE!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ALE!" title="User talk:ALE!"> ¿…?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ALE!-2010-08-30T12:00:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Just to be clear, do you mean that you think it is all right to rename the categories so that the English versions of the city names are used? — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-08-30T12:38:00.000Z-ALE!-2010-08-30T12:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, but please put category redirects, e.g. in <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Studentenverbindungen_in_M%C3%BCnchen&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Studentenverbindungen in München (page does not exist)">Category:Studentenverbindungen in München</a> put {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Category_redirect" title="Template:Category redirect">Category redirect</a>|Studentenverbindungen in Munich}}. --<a href="/wiki/User:ALE!" title="User:ALE!">ALE!</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ALE!" title="User talk:ALE!"> ¿…?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ALE!-2010-08-30T13:21:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T12:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure, that will be done automatically once the categories are renamed. — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-08-30T20:32:00.000Z-ALE!-2010-08-30T13:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree - for consistency, the English-style names (Munich, instead of Muenchen) should be used. <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ingolfson-2010-09-02T20:54:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Funny: first part of the cat name in German, second in English. With that logic, a lot of cats will need renaming. <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=0&search=intitle%3ACategory%3AK%C3%B6ln&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns8=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search">498 in Köln to start with</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-09-02T21:06:00.000Z-Ingolfson-2010-09-02T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Da gibt es sicher einiges nettes in Germish wie:</dd></dl> <dl><dd>„English: This is the category for Hannover, capital of Lower Saxony, Germany. Hanover is the English spelling of the city's name.“</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Finde ich zumindest auch auch ganz selbstbewusst.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kresspahl" title="User:Kresspahl">Kresspahl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kresspahl" title="User talk:Kresspahl">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Kresspahl-2010-09-02T21:16:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-08-30T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Do we have an existing policy on the use of non-English place names? In other words, are commonly used English names for places to be preferred over the place names in their original languages? Does the <a href="/wiki/Commons:Language_policy" title="Commons:Language policy">language policy</a> apply here? Anyway, we should not have two categories like "<a href="/wiki/Category:K%C3%B6ln" title="Category:Köln">Category:Köln</a>" and "<a href="/wiki/Category:Cologne" title="Category:Cologne">Category:Cologne</a>" existing at the same time, as this just splits up related files. (Or, we end up with two categories with identical files, which is a little strange.) — Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Jacklee" title="User:Jacklee">JackLee</a> –<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jacklee" title="User talk:Jacklee">talk</a>– <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Jacklee-2010-09-03T09:53:00.000Z-Whether_German_or_English_versions_of_place_names_should_be_used" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Indeed, we should not have "koeln", we should take our lead from the English Wikipedia in these matters. In the long run, capability for multi-lingual cat names will eventually happen (however, this is trickier done than said, which is why it still hasn't occured). <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ingolfson-2010-09-04T09:12:00.000Z-Jacklee-2010-09-03T09:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <hr/> Closed, consensus was to keep the German name. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T10:28:00.000Z-Whether_German_or_English_versions_of_place_names_should_be_used" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:AOMC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:AOMC-2010-08-02T18:25:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:AOMC" title="Category:AOMC">Category:AOMC</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:AOMC&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:AOMC">edit</a>]</div> I found a new type of flat meta category. It says "AOMC means ALL Old Maps Categories". It uses the word "all" like suggested before, but that wasn't seen as being all that clear, thus I didn't simply rename this to "Category:All categories of old maps". The category is populated by a <a href="/wiki/Template:Old_maps_meaning" title="Template:Old maps meaning">template</a> so it will be easy to rename it. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-02T18:25:00.000Z-Category:AOMC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <hr/> No support for move, and it's a hidden tracking category. No action taken. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Sven_Manguard-2014-06-10T03:28:00.000Z-Category:AOMC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Months_by_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Months_by_country-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Months_by_country" title="Category:Months by country">Category:Months by country</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Months_by_country&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Months by country">edit</a>]</div> To <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H.#Month_categories" title="User talk:Martin H.">recycle Martin H's words</a>: A new brainless meta categorization system for the purpose of collecting unrelated categories in one category with no informational value. Occupational therapy and overdoing Commons with unecessary category mess. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z-Category:Months_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please remain civil. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-13T04:35:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Having tolied a lot in the date related categories, I feel that this meta category (and all the related subcats) is neither brainless, nor useless. I think its a good overlay bringing together disparate categories or files. <a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">Evrik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evrik" title="User talk:Evrik">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Evrik-2010-08-15T01:19:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>To recycle someone else's words: "Come on, what's the point of these categories?" Seriously, I really don't understand how this is useful categorization. I'm ok with seasons by country, maybe even months by country (that's pushing it), but month and year by country? Why? To bring together "disparate categories or files"? That could mean anything—"a grouping of unrelated files". Categories are meant to separate disparate (synonym: separate) categories or files, right? <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-17T08:32:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Could someone point me to an example where these categories are deemed really useful ? --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-08-17T08:50:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><s>Keep, but consideration should be made to making these hidden categories, like user categories. One example of usefulness - I went to Eritrea in October/November 2008, and would be interested to know if anyone else on the tour has also uploaded photos. A quick check of <a href="/wiki/Category:October_2008_in_Eritrea" title="Category:October 2008 in Eritrea">Category:October 2008 in Eritrea</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:November_2008_in_Eritrea" title="Category:November 2008 in Eritrea">Category:November 2008 in Eritrea</a> shows that I'm the only one (or if there are others they're not in this cat). It's a category that's more useful to the uploader than the casual browser, which is why I suggest using hiddencat. <a href="/wiki/User:Tivedshambo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tivedshambo">Tivedshambo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tivedshambo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tivedshambo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Tivedshambo-2010-10-19T21:52:00.000Z-Multichill-2010-08-12T20:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)</a></s>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The categories <a href="/wiki/Category:October_2008_in_Eritrea" title="Category:October 2008 in Eritrea">Category:October 2008 in Eritrea</a> etc are not for discussion. For discussion is <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:October_in_Eritrea&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:October in Eritrea (page does not exist)">Category:October in Eritrea</a> respectively <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Eritrea_in_October&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Eritrea in October (page does not exist)">Category:Eritrea in October</a> (the category mess wasnt even consistent in its naming) as a parent category collecting categories of content created in or about eritrea in October of random years to build a connection with the topic category October. --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_H." title="User:Martin H.">Martin H.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H." title="User talk:Martin H.">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Martin_H.-2010-10-19T22:24:00.000Z-Tivedshambo-2010-10-19T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>My mistake, I took the nomination to include all subcategories, down to the [month] [year] in [country] level. <a href="/wiki/User:Tivedshambo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tivedshambo">Tivedshambo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tivedshambo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tivedshambo">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Tivedshambo-2010-10-20T21:03:00.000Z-Martin_H.-2010-10-19T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think he nominated just <a href="/wiki/Category:Months_by_country" title="Category:Months by country">Category:Months by country</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-10-21T10:27:00.000Z-Tivedshambo-2010-10-20T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, the meta categry system of months by country, including of course what the name says: months by country categories, thats MonthX in CountryX. I illustrated it in <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Month_by_country_CfD.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Month by country CfD.png (page does not exist)">File:Month by country CfD.png</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_H." title="User:Martin H.">Martin H.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H." title="User talk:Martin H.">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Martin_H.-2010-10-21T11:29:00.000Z-Docu-2010-10-21T10:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Tivedshambo didn't seem to see it that way either and the nomination just mentions "in one category". Besides, only one category is tagged with <a href="/wiki/Template:Cfd" title="Template:Cfd">{{Cfd}}</a> and the image you mention was created just now. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-10-22T02:49:00.000Z-Martin_H.-2010-10-21T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Of course it was created right now, it only reflects your list of the meta categorization system at <a href="/wiki/Commons:UNDEL#Country_by_month_categories" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:UNDEL">COM:UNDEL#Country by month categories</a> with an example of one of the unecessary categories beeing recreated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_H." title="User:Martin H.">Martin H.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H." title="User talk:Martin H.">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Martin_H.-2010-10-22T14:09:00.000Z-Docu-2010-10-22T02:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> (Indent reset)<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Saviour1981" title="Special:Contributions/Saviour1981">Special:Contributions/Saviour1981</a> keep coming back. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-11-01T19:01:00.000Z-Category:Months_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Again, thats not what this is about. The last category in your contribs link created is <a href="/wiki/Category:December_2010_by_country" title="Category:December 2010 by country">Category:December 2010 by country</a>, we not talk about that category (which is an appropriate "by topic" category for <a href="/wiki/Category:December_2010" title="Category:December 2010">Category:December 2010</a>) but we talk about either <a href="/wiki/Category:December_by_country" title="Category:December by country">Category:December by country</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Countries_in_December&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Countries in December (page does not exist)">Category:Countries in December</a> or so which collects all <a href="/wiki/Category:December_2010_by_country" title="Category:December 2010 by country">Category:December 2010 by country</a> & <a href="/wiki/Category:December_2009_by_country" title="Category:December 2009 by country">Category:December 2009 by country</a> & 2008 ... in one category. Thats unecessary meta categorization and irrelevant "by topic" categorization for the topic <a href="/wiki/Category:December" title="Category:December">Category:December</a> as well as unecessary duplication of all photographic content into the topic category tree <a href="/wiki/Category:Months" title="Category:Months">Category:Months</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_H." title="User:Martin H.">Martin H.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H." title="User talk:Martin H.">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Martin_H.-2010-11-01T19:30:00.000Z-Foroa-2010-11-01T19:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> per Multichill.--<a href="/wiki/User:Avron" title="User:Avron">Avron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Avron" title="User talk:Avron">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Avron-2010-12-24T20:35:00.000Z-Category:Months_by_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please change all the names in the standard form "Name of country by month" or delete all these categories! Thank you! --<a href="/wiki/User:Denghi%C3%B9Comm" title="User:DenghiùComm">DenghiùComm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Denghi%C3%B9Comm" title="User talk:DenghiùComm">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-DenghiùComm-2012-12-04T16:02:00.000Z-Avron-2010-12-24T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Former players of Real Madrid CF (page does not exist)">Category:Former players of Real Madrid CF</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Former players of Real Madrid CF">edit</a>]</div> Is there really a need to distinguish players who used to play for Real Madrid vs. who is on the current squad? This category seems extraenous. --<a href="/wiki/User:BrokenSphere" title="User:BrokenSphere">BrokenSphere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrokenSphere" title="User talk:BrokenSphere">Talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z-Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>True, such categories shouldn't exist. If a player plays for another club, say ABC Club (hence former Real), simply add it to both categories; current Real and ABC. <a href="/wiki/User:Rehman" title="User:Rehman">Rehman</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rehman" title="User talk:Rehman">+</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rehman-2010-09-13T03:46:00.000Z-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment_%28orange%29.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> <bdi>Comment</bdi> : <dl><dd>There is the players who play for another club and the players who stop to play.</dd> <dd>When there is two or more categories Players of on a file/page, how do we know wich one is the current one ?</dd> <dd>In the category Players of, how do we know wich players are currently in the team ?</dd> <dd>Finally, there others cat. Former players … : <a href="/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Former_players" title="Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Former players">Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Former players</a>. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-VIGNERON-2011-10-20T13:56:00.000Z-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi> Useless category as well as any category as former xxx of xxx. We don't need to know what is the current club, we are categorizing players on the club they played for. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Blackcat" title="User:Blackcat">SERGIO</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blackcat" title="User talk:Blackcat">(aka the Blackcat)</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Blackcat-2013-08-24T15:46:00.000Z-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_delete_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_delete_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Delete</bdi><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Arjen_Robben&diff=41625721&oldid=35371057">In the context of the player Arjen Robben</a>, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_H./Archive_18#Football_players_categories" title="User talk:Martin H./Archive 18">it was pointed to me</a> that "A photo showing a player of Bayern Munich in a match against Chelsea has nothing to do with Real Madrid. The consequence of this categorization is blowing up the category system of soccer clubs with unrelated media files", and after that I created this category without thinking consciously about it. Doing that was a mistake, but I also agree with Martin H: a category must contain images and subcategories related to the subject, so the current approach doesn't seem to be a good one. That's why I created <a href="/wiki/Category:Players_of_FC_Barcelona_by_season" title="Category:Players of FC Barcelona by season">Category:Players of FC Barcelona by season</a> later. <a href="/wiki/User:Lobo" title="User:Lobo">Lobo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lobo" title="User talk:Lobo">howl?</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Lobo-2013-08-26T18:29:00.000Z-BrokenSphere-2010-08-19T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <hr/> Deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Sven_Manguard-2014-06-10T05:57:00.000Z-Category:Former_players_of_Real_Madrid_CF" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Zeichen_206" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Zeichen_206-2010-08-22T13:51:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Zeichen_206" title="Category:Zeichen 206">Category:Zeichen 206</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Zeichen_206&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Zeichen 206">edit</a>]</div> This should be renamed to something else. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-22T13:51:00.000Z-Category:Zeichen_206" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What name do you suggest? This name is chosen according to other subcats of <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:MB-one" title="User:MB-one">MB-one</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MB-one" title="User talk:MB-one">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MB-one-2010-08-22T14:09:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-22T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I'm not really sure. Maybe "Zeichen 206 (road sign in Germany)"? <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-22T14:12:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-22T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I added the cfd tag to all other categories with names in the form "Zeichen nnn". BTW all but two of them were created by you. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-22T15:36:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-22T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I prefer to use the name of signs rather than only the number of signs. What about to let's inspire with filenames like <a href="/wiki/File:CZ-IS12b_Konec_obce.jpg" title="File:CZ-IS12b Konec obce.jpg">File:CZ-IS12b Konec obce.jpg</a>? Country, number and name (meaning) should be specified. Btw., what is more stable and long-time: a numbering or a meaning and shape of signs? --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-23T01:02:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-22T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I think it's OK to have signs categorised according to their native designation, but they should also be categorised within <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_kind&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by kind (page does not exist)">Category:Road signs by kind</a> to enable users of other languages to find them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-23T02:04:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-23T01:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As far as I am aware, this is the official classification, the only "other part" of the official classification being in German, thus adding that as more text to the category doesn't help the general user - while using English ad-hoc translations of the German remainder of the full name is also not ideal. Therefore I think that a "Zeichen XXX" category is not the worst idea - but maybe a "Road signs of Germany, Zeichen XXX" category would be best? <a href="/wiki/User:Ingolfson" title="User:Ingolfson">Ingolfson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ingolfson" title="User talk:Ingolfson">talk</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Apparently I didn't explain myself sufficiently. I was not suggesting to add any more descriptive text to the category name, but that road signs should not only be categorised by the native designation number (as has happened at <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Verkehrsschild_(D)_-_Achtung!_unebener_Plattenbelag_Frotsch%C3%A4den.JPG&curid=9476721&diff=42996029&oldid=42339192">Verkehrsschild (D) - Achtung! unebener Plattenbelag Frotschäden.JPG</a>), but also by existing descriptive categories, e.g. from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_kind&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by kind (page does not exist)">Category:Road signs by kind</a>.</dd> <dd><s>Using a naming scheme "Road signs of Germany, Zeichen XXX" seems sensible to me.</s> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-23T11:15:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-23T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A category name isn't a category scheme. A category name should be suitable pregnant and unequivocal but shouldn't contain all parent-category names. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-23T12:49:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-23T11:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It appears that the word "Zeichen" (= a sign) isn't an inseparable and untranslatable part of the "official name" or number of individual signs but it is only a common word and a common way of sign numbering (see e. g. <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_Deutschland" class="extiw" title="de:Bildtafel der Verkehrszeichen in Deutschland">de:Bildtafel der Verkehrszeichen in Deutschland</a>). Whatever kind of signs can be numbered such way, not only traffic signs - there are many other topics where are used signs which can be numbered.</dd> <dd>The proposed schema "Road signs of Germany, Zeichen XXX" don't conform to standard syntax of category names. A dissambiguation should be rather on the bottom of the category name, if it is necessary. But also a parallel use of the German word "Zeichen" and an English word "signs" is redundant. Is it some relevant reason to not translate "Zeichen" by the English word "sign"? What about <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign_206_(Germany)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign 206 (Germany) (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign 206 (Germany)</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign_206_of_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany</a>? (I'm not sure if singular or plural is more suitable for multiple use of one sign symbol.) (also a term "road sign" can be used instead of "traffic sign")</dd> <dd>Lastly, I'm repeating my question: what is more stable and long-time (and pregnant): a numbering or a meaning and shape of signs? --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-23T13:18:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-23T11:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd>Some time after writing the above, the same thought about redundant category naming occurred to me; after all, the categories "Zeichen xxx" are already part of the <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a>, so there is no need to repeat that term. I'm not sure the category name "Zeichen xxx" needs to be renamed at all. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-24T00:07:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-23T13:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>"What is more stable?" IMO a system that uses the official German numbering. (I'm not sure what you mean by "pregnant".) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-24T00:07:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-23T13:18:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>First: It is a goal, to categorise all "Zeichen XXX" cats in the specific subcats of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_kind&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by kind (page does not exist)">Road signs by kind</a>. 2. The numbering is clear without ambiguity, but I must admit that "Zeichen" isn't. So, what about "German road sign XXX" or "German traffic sign XXX"? --<a href="/wiki/User:MB-one" title="User:MB-one">MB-one</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MB-one" title="User talk:MB-one">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MB-one-2010-08-23T21:13:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-23T13:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd>@Michael Bednarek: In some countries, the system of traffic sings itself (shapes and meanings of signs) is developing and changing gently and continuously but the numbering is time after time changed with one whack. It can be told that almost every new editon of an enactment comes with a new numbering. In my country (Czechoslovakia and Czech Republic), I experienced no less than 4 different numberings (1967, 1975, 1990, 2001). I suppose, DDR had also different numbering than BRD. Also Slovakian have a problem that their sign diagram files are named only by numbers - and in 2009 were nearly all signs renumbered. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-24T06:00:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-23T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@Michael Bednarek: You are right that the categories "Zeichen xxx" are already part of the <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a>. But wiki categorization isn't only hierarchic. It isn't possible to have one category "Zeichen xxx" ine the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a> and other different category "Zeichen xxx" in an other theme. That's why every category name should be appropriately apposite and presentive also out of context of its parent category, when it is used by HotCat or within fulltext search results etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-24T08:52:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-23T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> There is a similar categorization system with <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:MUTCD_categories&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:MUTCD categories (page does not exist)">Category:MUTCD categories</a>. <ul><li>To some extent, this includes a geographic scope, as does "Zeichen nnn"</li> <li>These categories are used somewhat inconsistently (more in some fields than in others. Personally I tried to fill <a href="/wiki/Category:W14-1_-_Dead_End" title="Category:W14-1 - Dead End">Category:W14-1 - Dead End</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:W14-2_-_No_Outlet" title="Category:W14-2 - No Outlet">Category:W14-2 - No Outlet</a>.</li> <li>Their names are a bit more descriptive</li> <li>Some signs might seem to look like just like the one described in the standard, but - due to a slightly variation - they don't belong there.</li> <li>For, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Category:Red_octagonal_stop_signs" title="Category:Red octagonal stop signs">Category:Red octagonal stop signs</a>, it seems just as important to categorized these by the language of the text they include than by the MUTCD category.</li></ul> In any case, I think we should try to provide several alternative ways to categorize road signs, e.g. (form, color, meaning, content, location, standard). Given the complexity of the current system, maybe we should try to avoid placing too many intermediate levels between the images and avoiding to combining too many approaches (e.g. mix "by location" with every other one). Possibly, at least one category on the images should be as descriptive as <a href="/wiki/Category:Red_octagonal_stop_signs" title="Category:Red octagonal stop signs">Category:Red octagonal stop signs</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-24T19:36:00.000Z-Category:Zeichen_206" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Nobody doubt that road signs should be categorized both by local standard (e. g. MUTCD for US, local numberings or names for other countries) and by general meaning (Road signs by kind). But there exist several questions. How category names should be used on the country level (to be not confusable with a general or a different meaning) and how the main general categories should be structured (whehter by European (Geneva) way or rather by US MUTCD way etc.). History and conception of road signing is a bit different. Categorization by colours, shapes etc. is an other view. It is routine that the categorization combines more criteria which are mutually more or less depending or independent. A problem of a single numbering also is that in some countries the numbers are not perpetual but only single-used in one enactment. Can we suppose that Germany will not renumber the signs? Such renumbering is quite often and in many countries. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-25T13:43:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-24T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The German numbering system is part of their legislation (<a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenverkehrs-Ordnung_(Deutschland)" class="extiw" title="de:Straßenverkehrs-Ordnung (Deutschland)">StVO</a>) which was originally enacted in 1934; the most recent change to that legislation in September 2009 introduced some new signs and deprecated (until 2019) some others. Without disrespect to other countries, I think we can assume that the Germans will administer their legal system in a consistent and efficient manner; they have so far.</dd> <dd>As to the actual naming proposal: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign_206_of_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany</a> (as proposed above) seems inconsistent with the fact that: a) <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign</a> does not exist; and b) <a href="/wiki/Category:Traffic_signs" title="Category:Traffic signs">Category:Traffic signs</a> points to <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs" title="Category:Road signs">Category:Road signs</a>. Applying the naming conventions in <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a>, it seems that <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Zeichen_206_road_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Zeichen 206 road signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Category:Zeichen 206 road signs in Germany</a> would be a sensible name. Additionally, as Docu has pointed out, a new parent category, analogous to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:MUTCD_categories&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:MUTCD categories (page does not exist)">Category:MUTCD categories</a>, for all these "Zeichen" categories might be useful, maybe named <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:StVO_categories&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:StVO categories (page does not exist)">Category:StVO categories</a> in the category <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_standard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by standard (page does not exist)">Category:Road signs by standard</a>. Then again, I still think that doing nothing is also a viable option at this point. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-26T01:30:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-25T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The terms "traffic signs" and "road signs" are used alternatively on Commons on different levels and countries. The first one have a disadvantage that can be confusable with signs for other traffic (rail traffic, or a traffic other than a transportation). The second one is often confused with "road number signs" which are on Commons mostly called "Route signs". The article on the English Wikipedia has a name <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_sign" class="extiw" title="en:Traffic sign">en:Traffic sign</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Zeichen_206_road_signs_in_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Zeichen 206 road signs in Germany (page does not exist)">Category:Zeichen 206 road signs in Germany</a> is perhaps the least acceptable pattern of the all disscused, it breaks all common language and syntactic standards: it needlessly repeats a synonym in two languages and also the de facto dissambiguation without brackets is strange. The word "Zeichen" isn't a part of the code but a common word; what about to rename <a href="/wiki/Category:Railway_line_170_(Czech_Republic)" title="Category:Railway line 170 (Czech Republic)">Category:Railway line 170 (Czech Republic)</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Tra%C5%A5_170_railway_lines_in_the_Czech_Republic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Trať 170 railway lines in the Czech Republic (page does not exist)">Category:Trať 170 railway lines in the Czech Republic</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Category:St._Vitus_Cathedral" title="Category:St. Vitus Cathedral">Category:St. Vitus Cathedral</a> to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Katedr%C3%A1la_svat%C3%A9ho_V%C3%ADta_churches_in_the_Czech_Republic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Katedrála svatého Víta churches in the Czech Republic (page does not exist)">Category:Katedrála svatého Víta churches in the Czech Republic</a>? It would be a nonsense.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I believe that German legal system is administered in a consistent and efficient manner. But this fact doesn't need to mean that numbers of paragraphs or illustrative images will never change. Really didn't the numbering change since 1934? Unbelievable! Have you a link to the version StVO from 1934? Number of sign types increased surely manifold. If the authors of enactment from 1934 thought so far ahead that the original numbers never did have to be changed, then hats off, congratulatings! The first 6 Czechoslovakian signs from 1935 wasn't numbered; images of sings from 1938 was numbered by a single succession from 1 till 12 (some with variants a, b, c...), without a reserve for potential future signs. Just as illustrative images in every other enactment. Also the national flag or coat of arms are hardly somewhere called the image number from the constitution :-)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_signs_by_standard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road signs by standard (page does not exist)">Category:Road signs by standard</a> is a bitt needless and unclear category. Every country has its own standard, then "by country" category is herewith "by standard" category. Every standard has its own structure, although perpetual number codes are not always its essence. Btw., really StVo calls its images and sign numbers "categories"? I think, "Zeichen" don't means "category".--<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-27T00:26:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-26T01:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As I wrote, I was just trying to extrapolate from the existing categories in <a href="/wiki/Category:Road_signs_in_Germany" title="Category:Road signs in Germany">Category:Road signs in Germany</a> and its parent categories. Which name do you suggest? Still <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign_206_(Germany)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign 206 (Germany) (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign 206 (Germany)</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Traffic_sign_206_of_Germany&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany (page does not exist)">Category:Traffic sign 206 of Germany</a> as you wrote above?</dd> <dd>I was drawn into this discussion only by accident, and I don't care much about whether the existing name is kept or any of the proposed other names is used. I'm sure you (ŠJů) or the creator of the category (MB-one), or the proponent of the extraordinarily vague renaming proposal (Docu) have more expertise in this matter than I have. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-27T04:33:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-27T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>To be honest, my expertise in the matter, doesn't go far beyond the fact that, I'm from Germany. And, as I know, the numbering system of the StVO is a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_key" class="extiw" title="en:Unique key">primary key</a> for every officially existing sign. Therefore, the number should be a part of the category name and a description would be redundant. --<a href="/wiki/User:MB-one" title="User:MB-one">MB-one</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MB-one" title="User talk:MB-one">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MB-one-2010-08-27T15:35:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-26T01:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Then, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_sign_206_(Germany)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road sign 206 (Germany) (page does not exist)">Category:Road sign 206 (Germany)</a> would be optimal. I'm not fundamentally against the German word "Zeichen", but there can occur many kinds of numbered signs (Zeichen) in every of German-language countries. Btw, Austrian road signs are also called "Zeichen" and are also numbered.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>As regards "primary key", we can only wish that the German numbering never will be changed and will remain forever and ever. What a foolish hope.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Besides, the past is given. I found <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://alex.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno-plus?apm=0&aid=dra&datum=19340004&seite=00000463&zoom=1">the original StVO (RGBl.I, Nr.59, S. 457)</a> from 1934 which don't contain signs but whose § 28 Abt. 5 mentions some "Ausführungsanweisung". But I can't find this executing ordinance (<a href="/wiki/File:Historische_Stra%C3%9Fenverkehrszeichen_(Deutschland),_um_1927_-_Deutsches_Museum_Verkehrszentrum.jpg" title="File:Historische Straßenverkehrszeichen (Deutschland), um 1927 - Deutsches Museum Verkehrszentrum.jpg">this</a>?). It seems that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/vk/e2v_vs0.html">signs from 1934</a> (see also <a href="/wiki/Category:Diagrams_of_historic_road_signs_of_Germany" title="Category:Diagrams of historic road signs of Germany">here</a>) haven't numbers as a primary key, even no numbers, even not the nowadays numbers. Do you want to place such signs also into categories like "Zeichen 206"? Are you sure that the numbering system was never changed - although StVO was several times replaced with quite new one? Are you sure that StVO didn't use some different numbering in the past? When originated the nowadays numbering? And how we should categorize images of signs which are older than the new numbers? --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-28T03:26:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-27T15:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>To bring this to an end: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Road_sign_206_(Germany)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Road sign 206 (Germany) (page does not exist)">Category:Road sign 206 (Germany)</a> would work perfect for me. --<a href="/wiki/User:MB-one" title="User:MB-one">MB-one</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MB-one" title="User talk:MB-one">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-MB-one-2010-08-28T17:04:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-28T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok for me. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Verkehrzeichen_206&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Verkehrzeichen 206 (page does not exist)">Category:Verkehrzeichen 206</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Verkehrzeichen_206_(Germany)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Verkehrzeichen 206 (Germany) (page does not exist)">Category:Verkehrzeichen 206 (Germany)</a> might work too. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-29T12:41:00.000Z-MB-one-2010-08-28T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm afraid "Verkehrzeichen" is not a German word; "Verkehrszeichen" is. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Bednarek" title="User:Michael Bednarek">Michael Bednarek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Bednarek" title="User talk:Michael Bednarek">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-30T03:22:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-29T12:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Btw, see also a proposed guideline <a href="/wiki/Commons:Naming_categories#Principles" class="mw-redirect" title="Commons:Naming categories">Commons:Naming categories#Principles</a>, especially Universality principle and Selectivity principle. There is (among others) postulated that translations in other languages or language variants are not an acceptable way to specify subdivisions of the main subject and that categories should have preferably unambiguous names. I think, we should apply these guides here. (In contrast to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun#Proper_nouns_and_common_nouns" class="extiw" title="en:Noun">proper names</a> and nearly-proper names where original names are often a better choose.) --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-08-31T16:16:00.000Z-Michael_Bednarek-2010-08-30T03:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Whatever name is chosen, I think all "Zeichen nnn" subcategories should go into a parent category that clearly indicates where this numbering comes from (let's call that "Zeichen by ASDF standard" for now). "Road signs of Germany" seems too generic for that. Even if "Zeichen by ASDF standard" would also be a subcategory of "Road signs of Germany", it would be primarily one of "Road signs by standard", as the primary criterion is the standard's numbering, not the location. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-09-01T04:38:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-08-31T16:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Such category shouldn't appertain only to one parent category. Every such category can be categorized also by meaning, by shape, colors and used graphic elements, by period etc. The category name "Zeichen 206" appears weirdly and is deficiently predicative when we see it in the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Red_octagonal_stop_signs" title="Category:Red octagonal stop signs">Category:Red octagonal stop signs</a>. Every country has its own Zeichen (= signs). The word "Zeichen" isn't a specification of German signs but only a German word for signs of every type and from all countries. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-09-01T15:01:00.000Z-Docu-2010-09-01T04:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You say „The word "Zeichen" isn't a specification of German signs“, but thats wrong. The official names of all signs is Zeichen n. It is true, that Zeichen has the meaning of signs outside the StVO, too. I see not, that we must have to translate official names. Even <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/normengrafiken/bgbl1_2009/j2631-1_1040.jpg">painted lines</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/normengrafiken/bgbl1_2009/j2631-1_1070.jpg">arrows</a> are "Zeichen nnn". So reducing the category to "signs" breaches the fulfilment of all "Zeichen" at the StVO. (An line in the middle of the road isn't a sign, but it is a "Zeichen".) So: don't renaming (if you want to add some words, this may be yours). --<a href="/wiki/User:Quedel" title="User:Quedel">Quedel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quedel" title="User talk:Quedel">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Quedel-2011-03-01T15:59:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-09-01T15:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> No consensus for deletion. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Sven_Manguard-2014-06-10T03:26:00.000Z-Category:Zeichen_206" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z"><a href="/wiki/Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" title="Category:Buildings by date of destruction">Category:Buildings by date of destruction</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Buildings by date of destruction">edit</a>]</div> The subcategories below this parent category are, for example, in the format <a href="/wiki/Category:Destroyed_in_1889" title="Category:Destroyed in 1889">Category:Destroyed in 1889</a>. I would suggest that all the subcategories in the format of, for example, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Buildings_destroyed_in_1889&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Buildings destroyed in 1889 (page does not exist)">Category:Buildings destroyed in 1889</a>. The same would be true for the 'Buildings in country' subcategories etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:JD554" title="User:JD554">JD554</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JD554" title="User talk:JD554">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-JD554-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z-Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> Categories need a subject, not just a modifier. <a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-28T20:33:00.000Z-JD554-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> as Rocket says. --<a href="/wiki/User:GeorgHH" title="User:GeorgHH">GeorgHH</a> • <tt><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GeorgHH" title="User talk:GeorgHH">talk</a></tt> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-GeorgHH-2011-05-11T06:10:00.000Z-JD554-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <bdi>Support</bdi> per Rocket000. --<a href="/wiki/User:Auntof6" title="User:Auntof6">Auntof6</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Auntof6" title="User talk:Auntof6">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Auntof6-2012-01-16T00:29:00.000Z-JD554-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Wouldn't <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Structures_destroyed_in_1889&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Structures destroyed in 1889 (page does not exist)">Category:Structures destroyed in 1889</a> be more useful, so that bridges, dams, etc., are in scope? <a href="/wiki/Category:Destroyed_in_1889" title="Category:Destroyed in 1889">Category:Destroyed in 1889</a> already includes a bridge. Or even <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Objects_destroyed_in_1889&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Objects destroyed in 1889 (page does not exist)">Category:Objects destroyed in 1889</a>, which would include shipwrecks etc? <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:54:00.000Z-JD554-2010-08-26T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>I withdraw the previous comment. There's a whole category tree <a href="/wiki/Category:Disestablishments_by_year" title="Category:Disestablishments by year">Category:Disestablishments by year</a> which includes a lot of categories such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Destroyed_in_1889" title="Category:Destroyed in 1889">Category:Destroyed in 1889</a>. Some of these "destroyed" categories have been made subcategories of <a href="/wiki/Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" title="Category:Buildings by date of destruction">Category:Buildings by date of destruction</a>, which is incorrect since they may contain objects and structures that aren't buildings. There is no real category tree <a href="/wiki/Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" title="Category:Buildings by date of destruction">Category:Buildings by date of destruction</a>, and I'm not sure if it's needed, but if it was to be created, I think in each case the building category should be a subcategory of the relevant general purpose "destroyed" category. However this would be an awful lot of categories, since it can be one per country per year. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">--ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2014-02-11T23:51:00.000Z-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>I suggest instead deleting <a href="/wiki/Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" title="Category:Buildings by date of destruction">Category:Buildings by date of destruction</a> and its two subcategories since the tree doesn't currently exist. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghouston" title="User:Ghouston">--ghouston</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghouston" title="User talk:Ghouston">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Ghouston-2014-02-11T23:51:00.000Z-Ghouston-2013-11-05T09:54:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul> <hr/> Kept. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Sven_Manguard-2014-06-10T02:49:00.000Z-Category:Buildings_by_date_of_destruction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] </div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r901496813"><div class="delh">This discussion of one or several categories is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images-2010-08-28T20:30:00.000Z"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Van Gogh-related Images (page does not exist)">Category:Van Gogh-related Images</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2010/08/Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Category:Van Gogh-related Images">edit</a>]</div> We normally name categories after the subject of their contents, not the contents itself. In the case of this category, there's no reason to put "images" in the title. We could basically call all our categories "xxx-related images". Everything in this category should be recategorized into an appropriate subcategory of <a href="/wiki/Category:Vincent_van_Gogh" title="Category:Vincent van Gogh">Category:Vincent van Gogh</a> (images of the man himself may go directly into the category). Also, his full name should be used and "Images" shouldn't be capitalized. --<a href="/wiki/User:Rocket000" title="User:Rocket000">Rocket000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rocket000" title="User talk:Rocket000">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Rocket000-2010-08-28T20:30:00.000Z-Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There was a red category with 1 member: <a href="/wiki/Category:Portraits_of_Vincent_van_Gogh" title="Category:Portraits of Vincent van Gogh">Category:Portraits of Vincent van Gogh</a>. I create that and added it into this category.</dd> <dd>I agree that <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Van Gogh-related Images (page does not exist)">Category:Van Gogh-related Images</a> should be merged into <a href="/wiki/Category:Vincent_van_Gogh" title="Category:Vincent van Gogh">Category:Vincent van Gogh</a> as that category is for any images related to VvG. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Docu" title="User talk:Docu"> Docu </a> at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Docu-2010-08-29T12:15:00.000Z-Rocket000-2010-08-28T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>If we don't await a flood of audio- and video-files related to van Gogh, we have no reason to keep a special subcategory of images, because images are generally the prevalent (default) type of files on Commons. --<a href="/wiki/User:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User:ŠJů">ŠJů</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C5%A0J%C5%AF" title="User talk:ŠJů">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-ŠJů-2010-09-24T02:25:00.000Z-Docu-2010-08-29T12:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I added a "merge from" request in the parent category. That needs to be reorganised before merging. --<a href="/wiki/User:Foroa" title="User:Foroa">Foroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Foroa" title="User talk:Foroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Foroa-2010-09-24T08:21:00.000Z-ŠJů-2010-09-24T02:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> Deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sven Manguard"><big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sven Manguard">Wha?</a> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/Archive/2010/08#c-Sven_Manguard-2014-06-10T02:46:00.000Z-Category:Van_Gogh-related_Images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 10 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