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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">  <html lang="en"> <head id="stdcontainer"> <title> What is consideration? </title> <link rel="canonical" href="https://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=92975" />  <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="?node=list%20replies%20toggle%20javascript" integrity="sha384-6jdBZxT7udN82vOTryPaLwqMohSfDF3HXv3M32KAZ7dOREMdAkYh9ZhoaKCgCXcr" crossorigin="anonymous"></script> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/css/common.css" type="text/css" /> <link rel="stylesheet" href="?node_id=204962" type="text/css" />   <link rel="icon" href="/favicon.ico" /> </head> <body id="id-92975">   <table id="monkbar" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr class="bannerrow"> <td align="left" width="100%"> <a href="http://pair.com"> <img src="//promote.pair.com/i/pair-banner-current.gif" height = "60" width = "468" alt = "Beefy Boxes and Bandwidth Generously Provided by pair Networks" /> </a> </td> <td rowspan="2" align="right" valign="bottom">  </td> </tr> <tr class="monkquip"> <td class="monkquip" valign="bottom" width="100%" > good chemistry is complicated,<br />and a little bit messy -LW </td> </tr> <tr class="titlebar"> <td class="titlebar"> <form method="get" action="?" enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" >   <input type="text" name="node" id="search_text" size="20" maxlength="300" /> <input class="titlebar" type="submit" value="Search" /> </form> </td> <td class="titlebar" id="mb2001titlebar" align="right" > <a class="titlebar" href="?">PerlMonks</a>   </td> </tr> </table>   <table width="98%" align="center" id="titlebar-top"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle" class="titlechooser">  <h3 class="other">What is consideration?</h3> <span class="attribution">by <a href="?node_id=17342">SiteDocClan</a> <span class="attribution-title">(Initiate)</span> </span>  </td> <td valign="top" align="right" class="monktitlebar">  <ul class="topnavmenu inline-list"> <li><a href="?node_id=109">Log in</a></li><li><a href="?node_id=101">Create a new user</a></li> <li><a href="?">The Monastery Gates</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Seekers%20of%20Perl%20Wisdom">Seekers of Perl Wisdom</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Meditations">Meditations</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Cool%20Uses%20for%20Perl">Cool Uses For Perl</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Obfuscated%20Code">Obfuscation</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Tutorials">Tutorials</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Perl%20Poetry">Poetry</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Illuminations">Illuminations</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Reviews">Reviews</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Perl%20News">Perl News</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Recently%20Active%20Threads">Recent Threads</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Newest%20Nodes">Newest Nodes</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Super%20Search">Super Search</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Perl%20Monks%20Discussion">PerlMonks Discussion</a></li> <li><a href="?node=Tidings">What's New</a></li> </ul>   </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table width="98%" align="center" id="titlebar-bottom"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle" class="titlechooser">  <span class="attribution">on Jul 01, 2001 at 06:27 UTC</span> <span class="addlinks">( <a href="?node_id=92975">[id://92975]</a>=<a href="?node_id=17338">sitefaqlet</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="?displaytype=print;node_id=92975">print</a> <a rel="nofollow" href="?displaytype=print;replies=1;node_id=92975">w/replies</a>, <a href="?displaytype=xml;node_id=92975">xml</a> )</span>  </td> <td valign="middle" align="right" class="monktitlebar"> <a href="?node=PerlMonks%20FAQ">Need Help??</a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>   <center> <table width="98%"> <tr> <td width="80%" valign="top" class="main_content">    <h1>What is consideration?</h1> <p> <i>Consideration</i> is the process whereby the general population of the <a href="?node_id=131">Monastery</a> keeps the site clutter free, by cleaning up badly formatted/titled nodes and petitioning for <a href="?node_id=409197">reaping</a> of undesirable posts. </p> <p> However, general Monks do not have the power to modify or delete other people's posts directly; only the <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> and <a href="?node=gods">gods</a> can do that. The consideration process lets experienced monks advise the <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> on what clean-up actions might be needed. </p> <p> Consideration is an activity of "senior monks", which is to say, monks who have attained at least <a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>. In the following description, "<a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>" is used as an alias for that rank and all ranks above it — in much the same way that "Monk" is a universal alias for all denizens of the Monastery, not just users of <a href="?node_id=509805">Level 9</a>. </p> <h4>How it works</h4> <p> Given a node that needs cleaning/reaping, one <a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a> "considers" a node, bringing the node to the attention of the other <a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>s, who vote on whether that action should be taken. </p> <p> The <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> monitor this voting, and use it in determining whether to perform the requested (or any other) action. Please note that the <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> are not bound by the results of the consideration voting. For further detail, see <a href="?node_id=324820">What do Janitors do?</a> </p> <p> The first part, "marking for consideration", is available to <a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>s via a tool in the <a href="?node_id=590076">Approval nodelet</a> on nodes which are subject to consideration. Don't consider a node unless you feel <strong>strongly</strong> that something <em>specific</em> should be done. Remember that there are many other <a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>s who should be given the opportunity to consider if <em>you</em> don't have a clear idea of what should be done. Only consider a node if you can precisely and concisely describe the action that should be considered. </p> <ul> <li> If the node isn't already up for consideration, the Approval nodelet will contain a checkbox labeled "Consider node:", a button labeled "moderate", and a text box in which to type the necessary details. In the text box, request a specific action (edit, reap, retitle, move, etc.) and concise but complete info such as node id for duplicates, or specific proposed title. <br /><br /></li> <li> If the node has been marked for consideration, the Approval nodelet will show who did it, and why. It will also appear in the <a href="?node_id=28877">Nodes To Consider</a> list. Conveniently, the word "Considered:" in the Approval nodelet is a direct link to <a href="?node_id=28877">Nodes To Consider</a>. </li> </ul> <p> The <a href="?node_id=590076">Approval nodelet</a> will also present any voting on the consideration which is available to you, i.e.: <ul> <li> <tt>keep/edit/reap/nada</tt> radiobuttons for voting, if you haven't yet; <li> the current vote tally, if you have. </ul> If you're a <a href="?node=janitors">janitor</a>, you will be presented with the opportunity to blow away the current consideration, via an <i>unconsider</i> vote option, if the vote tally is at least 2 edit votes or 4 keep votes. <a href="?node=gods">Gods</a> can unconsider without restriction. </p> <p> Even though the Approval nodelet contains tools related to both consideration and <a href="?node_id=17688">moderation</a>, be sure not to confuse the two. </p> <p> Highly recommended background reading: <a href="?node_id=326922">How do I use the power of consideration responsibly?</a> </p> <h2>How do I mark a node for consideration?</h2> <p> In the <a href="?node_id=590076">Approval nodelet</a>, check the "consider this node" box, and in the text box type the requested action and your reason for the consideration. (Don't include your name; it will be automatically prepended to the message.) Submit the form and watch the magic happen. </p> <p> Consideration is a means of requesting actions from <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> that only they can perform. The following is a list of common <a href="?node=janitors">janitor</a>-only actions you can recommend when marking a node for consideration. (Others are possible; use your best judgement.) Please abbreviate appropriately. </p> <dl> <dt><b><a name="titlechange">Change a node's title</a> </b> (<tt>Title</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> <i>Please</i> include an exact suggestion for the new title — and make sure it is a substantial improvement and doesn't contain typos. We generally only retitle to improve searchability. See <a href="?node_id=341118">How do I compose an effective node title?</a> for a comprehensive discussion of what makes a bad (and thus consideration-worthy) title. </p></dd> <dt><b><a name="cleanup">Clean up a node's formatting</a> </b> (<tt>Format</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> Usually just the addition of <tt class='inlinecode'><code></tt> or <tt class='inlinecode'><readmore></tt> tags, or fixing long lines inside of <tt class='inlinecode'><pre></tt> tags. In such cases, if the node is user-editable, the first course of action should be to just <tt>/msg</tt> the author about it. But if they are unresponsive, then consideration is the next step. </p></dd> <dt><b><a name="moveorunapprove">Move a node to a different section</a></b> (<tt>Move to ...</tt>) or <br /> <b>Unapprove a node from its current section</b> (<tt>Unapprove</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> Sometimes someone approves a node, and you find you disagree with that decision. Other times, you may feel that the section into which a node was <a href="?node_id=17688">approved</a> was not the best choice. In these cases, you can recommend that the node be unapproved, and, if appropriate, moved to another <em>single, specific</em> section. </p><p> Only unapproved nodes can be moved from one section to another. </p><p> The following sections are the only ones that support moving of root nodes to/from them via the <a href="?node_id=590076">Approval nodelet</a>: <ul> <li><a href="?node_id=479">Seekers of Perl Wisdom</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=480">Meditations</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=481">Craft</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=954">Tutorials</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=1040">Perl Monks Discussion</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=1044">Cool Uses for Perl</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=1590">Perl Poetry</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=1597">Obfuscated code</a> </li>  <li><a href="?node_id=23771">Perl News</a> </li>  </ul> </p> <p> Though root nodes <em>can</em> be moved to <a href="?node=Tutorials">Tutorials</a>, the most appropriate tutorials are usually written to be such. Just because a node is popular and informative doesn't mean it makes a good tutorial. Also take the wishes of the author into account. For these reasons, generally if an author posts a node as a <a href="?node=Meditations">Meditation</a>, we will respect his decision and not act on requests to move to <a href="?node=Tutorials">Tutorials</a>. The idea is to only move nodes that are specifically off-topic in the section in which they were posted. </p><p> (Distinct from the above, <a href="?node=QandAEditors">QandAEditors</a> can convert nodes from <a href="?node_id=1843">Categorized Questions and Answers</a> to <a href="?node_id=479">Seekers of Perl Wisdom</a> — which, unfortunately, is all too common a need.) </p><p> <a href="?node=Janitors">Janitors</a> should read <a href="?node_id=324056">Janitors' Guidelines</a> for the slightly counterintuitive method behind moving nodes. </p> </dd> <dt><b><a name="reap">Reap a node</a> </b> (<tt>Reap</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> Please only do this for <em>true troll posts</em> and <em>true duplicate posts</em>. </p> <p> <h4>Guidelines for Troll Posts</h4> <p> Only <em>blatant, egregiously offensive</em> troll posts should be considered for reapage. For useless, stupid, off-topic, and annoying nodes: <ul> <li> if it is a root node, then don't approve it for any section. </li> <li> if it is a reply, just ignore it. (Downvote it if you wish.) </li> </ul> </p><p> When a node is reaped, its skeletal remains are tagged with the reason from the consideration. Be aware that inappropriate considerations can be removed by the <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a>; similarly, nodes reaped for inappropriate reasons can be unreaped by the <a href="?node=gods">gods</a>. Therefore, when considering a node for reap, take extra care in what you write, to maximize conformance to site policy. For example, a node can only be considered worthy of reapage based on the merits of its contents, <i>not</i> on the reputation of its author. </p> <h4>Guidelines for Duplicate Posts</h4> <p> True duplicates occur when a monk stumbits a post, hits the back button, and stumbits again. Other reasons for considering something as a duplicate — such as "I gave the same answer as some other monk, but was slower" — are <strong>not sufficient</strong>! </p><p> If you find a duplicate, please include a <a href="?node_id=17441">link</a> to the original node in your reason. </p><p> It can take some work to decide which of the two duplicates should be reaped, especially if they are similiar, if they have replies, or if they have both been approved. </p><p> Please don't <em>rush</em> to consider a duplicate for reaping. Realize that there are likely several other good monks who also noticed the duplicate and are likely to consider one of them. Never approve a duplicate post until it is clear which one will be reaped. Even better: wait until the other one <i>has been</i> reaped. Check that the one you want to reap isn't already approved (especially that it is not the only one that has been approved). </p><p> Announce in the <a href="?node_id=236794">Chatterbox</a> which one you are about to consider, requesting that the original author (if possible) or one of the <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> modify the title so the fact that it is a duplicate is clear. (The preferred modification is to prepend the text <b>(DUP)</b> to the title.) Also, if both have already been approved, <a href="?node=janitors">janitors</a> should unapprove the one to be considered. Then <b>wait</b> before actually considering, and check the chatterbox for other announcements regarding the duplicates. </p><p> All things being equal, it is usually better to keep the first node and reap latter duplicates as the first node is the one most likely to have a monk composing a reply to it while it is being considered, etc. This is also why it is important to publically announce the intent to reap the duplicate (at least in chatter, preferably also via a title change) and then <b>wait</b> before taking any action (such as "considering") that is not easy to undo. A little patience is helpful; it's easy to make a mess and hard to clean it up when dealing with the consideration and deletion of duplicates. </p></dd> <dt><b><a name="obscure">Obscure a node</a> </b> (<tt>Obscure</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> This is for the very rare case of quite graphic material or material inviting legal action. Obscuring a node is not necessarily permanent; the popular vote (via replies or chatterbox) usually determines whether obscuring stays or goes. </p></dd> <dt><b><a name="reparent">Move a node to a different thread </a></b> (<tt>Reparent</tt>) </dt> <dd><p> All replies (that is, nodes of type <b>note</b>), and root nodes in the <a href="?node_id=479">Seekers of Perl Wisdom</a>, <a href="?node_id=480">Meditations</a>, and <a href="?node_id=1040">Perl Monks Discussion</a> sections, may be reparented into a different thread. </p></dd> </dl> <h3>What happens next?</h3> <p><a href="?node_id=17645">Friar</a>s vote. See <a href="?node_id=92977">How does Nodes to Consider work?</a> for more information on that process. In any case, <b>please don't call for votes in the Chatterbox,</b> but simply let things run their course. It would undermine the integrity of the consideration system, and increases the (however small) likelihood of abuse. The people whose votes you want are the ones who are more likely to be monitoring <a href="?node_id=28877">Nodes To Consider</a> on their own anyway! </p> <p>Now that you know the basics, you need to develop judgement regarding when to consider, and when to refrain from considering. 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