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href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#" class="vector-toc-link"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> Beginning </div></a></li> <li id="toc-Status_updates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Status_updates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1</span> <span>Status updates</span> </div></a> <button aria-controls="toc-Status_updates-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Status updates subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Status_updates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-22_August_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#22_August_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1</span> <span>22 August 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-22_August_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-27_June_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#27_June_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2</span> <span>27 June 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-27_June_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-10_June_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#10_June_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.3</span> <span>10 June 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-10_June_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-11_May_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#11_May_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.4</span> <span>11 May 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-11_May_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-6_May_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#6_May_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.5</span> <span>6 May 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-6_May_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-21_April_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#21_April_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.6</span> <span>21 April 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-21_April_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-15_April_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#15_April_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.7</span> <span>15 April 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-15_April_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-27_January_2022" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#27_January_2022"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.8</span> <span>27 January 2022</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-27_January_2022-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-20_December_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#20_December_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.9</span> <span>20 December 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-20_December_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-24_November_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#24_November_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.10</span> <span>24 November 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-24_November_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-15_October_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#15_October_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.11</span> <span>15 October 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-15_October_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-24_September_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#24_September_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.12</span> <span>24 September 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-24_September_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-14_September_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#14_September_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.13</span> <span>14 September 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-14_September_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-25_August_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#25_August_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.14</span> <span>25 August 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-25_August_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-6_August_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#6_August_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.15</span> <span>6 August 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-6_August_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-2_August_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#2_August_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.16</span> <span>2 August 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-2_August_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-13_May_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#13_May_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.17</span> <span>13 May 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-13_May_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-23_April_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#23_April_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.18</span> <span>23 April 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-23_April_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-16_March_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#16_March_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.19</span> <span>16 March 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-16_March_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-11_March_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#11_March_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.20</span> <span>11 March 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-11_March_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-26_February_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#26_February_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.21</span> <span>26 February 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-26_February_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-18_February_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#18_February_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.22</span> <span>18 February 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-18_February_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-22_January_2021" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#22_January_2021"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.23</span> <span>22 January 2021</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-22_January_2021-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-17_December_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#17_December_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.24</span> <span>17 December 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-17_December_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-19_November_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#19_November_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.25</span> <span>19 November 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-19_November_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-28_October_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#28_October_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.26</span> <span>28 October 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-28_October_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-2_October_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#2_October_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.27</span> <span>2 October 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-2_October_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-22_May_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#22_May_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.28</span> <span>22 May 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-22_May_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-1_May_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#1_May_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.29</span> <span>1 May 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-1_May_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> <li id="toc-27_March_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"><a class="vector-toc-link" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#27_March_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"><span class="vector-toc-numb">1.30</span> <span>27 March 2020</span> </div></a> <ul id="toc-27_March_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li id="toc-Open_questions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"><a class="vector-toc-link" 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class="nomobile wmf-engineering-project-box-catlink"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Category:WMF_Projects?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:MyLanguage/Category:WMF Projects">Wikimedia Foundation projects</a><span style="display:none"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:WMF_Projects?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:WMF Projects"> </a></span> </div> <div class="wmf-engineering-project-box-title"> New Topic Tool </div> <div class="wmf-engineering-project-box-description"> Help contributors initiate conversations on talk pages with less effort. </div> <table class="wmf-engineering-project-box-data"> <tbody> <tr> <th scope="row">Group:</th> <td><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editing?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editing">Editing</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Start:</th> <td>2019-09-30</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Team members:</th> <td><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Bartosz_Dziewo%C5%84ski_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Bartosz Dziewoński (WMF)">Bartosz Dziewoński</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:DChan_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:DChan (WMF)">David Chan</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:DLynch_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:DLynch (WMF)">David Lynch</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:EAkinloose_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:EAkinloose (WMF)">Esther Akinloose</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Mvolz_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Mvolz (WMF)">Marielle Volz</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:RYasmeen_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:RYasmeen (WMF)">Rummana Yasmeen</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JKlein_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JKlein (WMF)">Jess Klein</a>, <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Sherry Snyder</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Backlog:</th> <td><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/owc2020/" class="extiw" title="phab:tag/owc2020/">#owc2020</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Lead:</th> <td><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:ESanders_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:ESanders (WMF)">Ed Sanders</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Management:</th> <td><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:PPelberg (WMF)">Peter Pelberg</a> (product), <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:VPuffetMichel_(WMF)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:VPuffetMichel (WMF)">Valerie Puffet-Michel</a> (engineering)</td> </tr> <tr class="mw-empty-elt"> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>This page talks about the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editing_team?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Editing team">editing team</a>'s efforts to improve contributors' workflows for starting new topic threads on talk pages.</p> <p>This new workflow for starting new conversations is intended to make it more intuitive for <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Junior Contributors</a> to initiate conversations in ways other contributors can easily engage and help <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Senior Contributors</a> do the same with less effort.</p> <p>This initiative sits within the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a>, our team's larger effort to help contributors, across experience levels, communicate more easily on Wikipedia using talk pages. To accomplish this, we are building upon the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages consultation 2019">Talk pages consultation 2019</a>, and existing community conventions, to evolve existing wikitext talk pages.</p> <p>To participate in and follow this project's development, we recommend <a class="external text" href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Talk_pages_project/replying&action=watch&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB">adding this page to your watchlist</a>.  We will use this page to:</p> <ul> <li>Share and invite feedback on designs</li> <li>Announce deployment plans</li> <li>Share data about how the feature is being used</li> </ul> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Status_updates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Status_updates"></span>Status updates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Status_updates"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section contains updates about the project's development.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="22_August_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-22_August_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22_August_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-8-22">22 August 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-22_August_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Design of a new "Add topic" button are ready for you all to review.</i></p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Add_Topic_button_(Vector_2022).jpg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A mockup showing a new "Add Topic" button that could appear on talk pages on desktop for people who have the Vector (2022) skin enabled." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/New_Add_Topic_button_%28Vector_2022%29.jpg/311px-New_Add_Topic_button_%28Vector_2022%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="311" height="256" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/New_Add_Topic_button_%2528Vector_2022%2529.jpg/467px-New_Add_Topic_button_%2528Vector_2022%2529.jpg 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/New_Add_Topic_button_%2528Vector_2022%2529.jpg/622px-New_Add_Topic_button_%2528Vector_2022%2529.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2862" data-file-height="2358"></a> <figcaption> A mockup of the proposed "Add Topic" button design. </figcaption> </figure> <p>As part of the work we are doing to make it easier for people to recognize talk pages as places to communicate with other volunteers and locate the tools available to do so, we are introducing a new "Add Topic" button that we would value your input on.</p> <p>This new "Add topic" is designed to make it easier for people to notice and access the button on desktop talk pages where people do not have access to the <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Usability_Improvement_annotated_mockup_(desktop).jpg" class="extiw" title="c:File:Usability Improvement annotated mockup (desktop).jpg">new site-wide sticky header and the "Add Topic" button that now appears within it</a>.</p> <p>If you are interested in reviewing the design and sharing feedback about it, please visit <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/Usability?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Feedback:_New_"Add_Topic"_Button_Design" title="Talk:Talk pages project/Usability">Talk:Talk pages project/Usability</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="27_June_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-27_June_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-27_June_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-6-27">27 June 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-27_June_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p>In response to a community-initiated unanimous RFC, the Editing team will deploy the New Topic Tool to all editors at the English Wikipedia on 29 June 2022. (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T311023" class="extiw" title="phab:T311023">T311023</a>)</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="10_June_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-10_June_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-10_June_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-6-10">10 June 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-10_June_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A screenshot showing the new setting introduced that enables people who have the New Topic Tool enabled to decide what they see when they navigate to a talk page that has not yet been created." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png/333px-Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png" decoding="async" width="333" height="133" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png/500px-Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png/666px-Talk_page_empty_state_setting.png 2x" data-file-width="904" data-file-height="362"></a> <figcaption> New setting for talk pages. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>Scaling</i></p> <p>On 7 June, the New Topic Tool became available by default on desktop to everyone at Wiktionary, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, and Wikivoyage. <i>You can see the deployment status of all <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Feature_summary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Feature summary">Talk Pages Project features</a> by visiting <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Deployment_Status?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Deployment Status">the Deployment Status page</a>.</i></p> <p><i>New Setting</i></p> <p>This week, we introduced a new setting within <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Preferences?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences</a> that enables you to decide for yourself what you see when you click on a red-linked talk page (or otherwise arrive at a talk page that has not yet been created). <i>More details in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297990" class="extiw" title="phab:T297990">phab:T297990</a>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="11_May_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-11_May_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11_May_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-5-11">11 May 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-11_May_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Scaling</i></p> <p>Today, the New Topic Tool became available by default on desktop to everyone at the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the recent A/B test. <i>You can see the deployment status of all <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Feature_summary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Feature summary">Talk Pages Project features</a> by visiting <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Deployment_Status?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Deployment Status">the Deployment Status page</a>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="6_May_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-6_May_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-6_May_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-5-6">6 May 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-6_May_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Chart showing the rates at which contributors complete the edits they start with the existing "section=new" experience and the New Topic Tool." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png/345px-Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png" decoding="async" width="345" height="173" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png/518px-Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png/690px-Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Edit_Completion_Rate.png 2x" data-file-width="4800" data-file-height="2400"></a> <figcaption> Contributors' New Topic Tool edit completion rate, grouped by experience level across the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the A/B test. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>Additional A/B Test Analysis</i></p> <p>We noted in the A/B test results we shared on 21 April that, "logged-in Senior Contributors (defined as people who have made ≥100 edits) are <b>slightly</b> <b>more successful</b> publishing topics using the <b>existing section=new workflow</b> than they are using the New Topic Tool."</p> <p>Curious about why this might be so, we did an additional analysis to investigate the impact of experience level on Senior Contributors' New Topic Tool usage. In this additional analysis, we learned that <b>everyone</b> who has made <b>≤ 2,500 edits</b> are <b>more successful</b> using the <b>New Topic Tool</b>.</p> <p>This is new data is leading the Editing Team to have more confidence in the conclusion that most people are more successful publishing new topic with the New Topic Tool and any regressions in the data are signals of Senior Contributors <i>preferring</i> the existing workflow rather than of deficiencies in the New Topic Tool.</p> <p><i>Opt-Out Deployment</i></p> <p>As a result of the findings above, we plan for the New Topic Tool to become available by default on desktop to everyone at the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the A/B test.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="21_April_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-21_April_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-21_April_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-4-21">21 April 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-21_April_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p>The Editing Team recently analyzed data from an A/B test of the New Topic Tool that ran at <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T304658" class="extiw" title="phab:T304658">20 Wikipedias</a> from 27 January 2022 through 25 March 2022.</p> <p>What follows are the conclusions we are drawing from this analysis and the next steps the team is taking as a result.</p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A chart showing the percentage of Junior Contributors that attempted to start a new topic and were successful in publishing at least one of these new topics during the A/B test." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png/424px-Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png" decoding="async" width="424" height="212" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png/636px-Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png/848px-Junior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_Completion_Rate.png 2x" data-file-width="1600" data-file-height="800"></a> <figcaption> Percentage of Junior Contributors that attempted to start a new topic and were successful in publishing at least one of these new topics during the A/B test. </figcaption> </figure> <p><b>Conclusions</b></p> <ul> <li>The New Topic Tool increases the likelihood that logged-in Junior Contributors will <b>successfully publish a new topic.</b> <ul> <li><b>44.2% of Junior Contributors</b> that opened the New Topic Tool were able to successfully publish at least one new topic during the A/B test compared to 37.2% of Junior Contributors using the existing section=new workflow.</li> <li>Junior Contributors using the New Topic Tool are <b>1.3 times more likely</b> to publish a new topic they start than Junior Contributors using the existing section=new workflow.</li> </ul></li> <li>The New Topic Tool <b>did not lead to any statistically significant changes</b> in revert rates for logged-in Junior Contributors, logged-in Senior Contributors, or Logged-out users.</li> <li>Logged-in Senior Contributors are <b>slightly</b> <b>more successful in publishing topics using the existing section=new workflow</b> than they are using the New Topic Tool. <ul> <li>66% of Senior Contributors that opened the New Topic Tool were able to successfully publish at least one new topic during the A/B test compared to 71% of Senior Contributors using the existing section=new workflow.</li> </ul></li> <li>The New Topic Tool led to a <i><b>slight</b></i> <b>increase</b> in the <b>new topic completion rate for logged-out users</b>, however, there is not sufficient evidence to confirm this observed change was due to the New Topic Tool.</li> </ul> <p><i>The full A/B test reports can be found here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.org/github/wikimedia-research/New-discussion-tool-analysis-2020/blob/main/ab_test_logged_in.ipynb">Logged-<b>In</b> New Topic AB Test Report</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.org/github/wikimedia-research/New-discussion-tool-analysis-2020/blob/main/ab_test_logged_out.ipynb">Logged-<b>Out</b> New Topic AB Test Report</a>.</i></p> <p><b>Next steps</b></p> <p>The Editing will propose that the New Topic Tool be enabled by default for all volunteers (logged in and out) across experience levels at the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the A/B test.</p> <p>In parallel, the Editing Team will do a follow-up investigation to help determine what could be contributing to Senior Contributors being slightly more successful in publishing topics using the existing section=new workflow. This investigation will happen in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306481" class="extiw" title="phab:T306481">T306481</a> and <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306579" class="extiw" title="phab:T306579">T306579</a>. We will post the findings here once they are finalized.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="15_April_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-15_April_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15_April_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-4-15">15 April 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-15_April_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Naming</i></p> <p>Going forward, we will be referring to the "New Discussion Tool" as the "New Topic Tool." We have made this decision in order to:</p> <ol> <li>Reduce the likelihood that people confuse the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Extension:DiscussionTools">DiscussionTools extension</a> with this tool</li> <li>Better relate this tool with the other <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Feature_summary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Feature summary">Talk Pages Project features</a>: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Notifications?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Notifications">Topic Subscriptions</a> and <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Usability?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Phase_1:_Topic_containers" title="Talk pages project/Usability">Topic Containers</a></li> </ol> <p><i>A/B Test</i></p> <p>On 25 March 2022, the team finished running the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/A/B_testing?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="A/B testing">A/B test</a> of the New Topic Tool. In early May (or slightly before), you can expect the results from this A/B test to be published on this page.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="27_January_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-27_January_2022-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-27_January_2022-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2022-1-27">27 January 2022</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-27_January_2022-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>A/B Test</i></p> <p>Today, 27 January 2022, an <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/A/B_testing?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="A/B testing">A/B test</a> of the New Topic Tool began at 20 Wikipedias: <i>Amharic, Bengali, Chinese, Dutch, Egyptian, French, Hebrew, Hindi, Indonesia, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Oromo, Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, Thai, Ukrainian, and Vietnamese.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="20_December_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-20_December_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-20_December_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-12-20">20 December 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-20_December_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png/311px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png" decoding="async" width="311" height="245" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png/467px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png/622px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint.png 2x" data-file-width="1224" data-file-height="964"></a> <figcaption> A screenshot showing the initial implementation of the dismissible notice that will appear within the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">New Topic Tool</a>. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>Prototype: New Topic Tool Hint</i></p> <p>A working prototype of the dismissible notice that will appear within the New Topic Tool is ready for you all to try.</p> <p>We would value you <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Wmkj01bhaql86bod?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Wmkj01bhaql86bod">trying the prototype and sharing what you think about it on the talk page.</a></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="24_November_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-24_November_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-24_November_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-11-24">24 November 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-24_November_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Design Concept: New Topic Tool Hint</i></p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png/364px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png" decoding="async" width="364" height="192" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png/546px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png/728px-New_Discussion_Tool_Hint_Design.png 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1522"></a> <figcaption> A mockup showing a potential design for the "hint" that will appear within the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">New Topic Tool</a>. </figcaption> </figure> <p>The team is working on the design for a dismissible notice that will appear within the New Topic Tool.</p> <p>This notice will offer people the ability to switch back to the legacy <code>&action=edit&section=new</code> experience.</p> <p>The in-progress design is pictured here. If there are ways you think this design could be improved to make it more clear to people that they have the ability to switch to the legacy <code>&action=edit&section=new</code> experience, we would value you sharing these ideas on <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion">the talk page</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="15_October_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-15_October_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-15_October_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-10-15">15 October 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-15_October_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Convert_to_wikitext_(New_Discussion_Tool).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Convert_to_wikitext_%28New_Discussion_Tool%29.png/271px-Convert_to_wikitext_%28New_Discussion_Tool%29.png" decoding="async" width="271" height="177" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Convert_to_wikitext_%2528New_Discussion_Tool%2529.png/407px-Convert_to_wikitext_%2528New_Discussion_Tool%2529.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Convert_to_wikitext_%2528New_Discussion_Tool%2529.png/542px-Convert_to_wikitext_%2528New_Discussion_Tool%2529.png 2x" data-file-width="1490" data-file-height="972"></a> <figcaption> New functionality that enables you to preserve text formatting when pasting content into the New Topic Tool's <code>Source</code> mode. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>New Functionality: Preserving text formatting</i></p> <p>Starting next week, you will gain the ability to preserve formatting when pasting text into the New Topic Tool's <code>Source</code> mode.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="24_September_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-24_September_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-24_September_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-9-24">24 September 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-24_September_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>A/B Test</i></p> <p>On 14 September 2021, the New Topic Tool became available as an opt-out feature at the first projects: ar.wiki and cs.wiki.</p> <p>Before offering the New Topic Tool as an opt-out feature at more projects, we will be running an <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/A/B_testing?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="A/B testing">A/B test</a>. The A/B test will help us evaluate the impact the New Topic Tool has on the likelihood that Junior Contributors successfully publish the new discussions they start writing.</p> <p>We are now planning how the A/B test will be implemented. In the coming weeks, we will consult with wikis about participating in the test. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277825" class="extiw" title="phab:T277825"><i>You follow this work in Phabricator</i></a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="14_September_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-14_September_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-14_September_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-9-14">14 September 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-14_September_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>First opt-out deployment</i></p> <p>Today, 14 September 2021, the New Topic Tool was made available as an on-by-default feature to all volunteers, logged in and out, at the Arabic and Czech Wikipedias. Today's deployment marks the first time the New Topic Tool is being made available to all volunteers at a project, by default.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="25_August_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-25_August_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-25_August_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-8-25">25 August 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-25_August_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Metrics: Initial adoption</i></p> <p>On 17 August, the team completed an initial analysis of how people have been using the New Topic Tool while it has been available as a beta feature.</p> <p>The objectives for this analysis was to answer the following questions;</p> <ol> <li><i>Are people finding the tool to be disruptive?</i></li> <li><i>Are people finding the tool behaves in the ways they expect?</i></li> <li><i>Are people depending on the New Topic Tool start new conversations?</i></li> </ol> <p>In summary, this analysis is leading us to conclude:</p> <ol> <li>People are NOT finding the New Topic Tool disruptive</li> <li>People are finding the New Topic Tool behaves in the ways they expect</li> <li>A segment of people are using the New Topic Tool to start the majority of new discussions they initiate</li> </ol> <p>With all of the above in mind, the Editing Team is going to move forward with offering the New Topic Tool as an on-by-default feature at an initial groups of Wikipedias (Arabic and Czech) in the next few weeks.</p> <p><i><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Analysis_1:_Adoption" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Review the findings from this analysis</a> or <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/wikimedia-research/Reply-tools-analysis-2021/blob/master/Adoption-Metrics/Replying-Tool-Adoption-Metrics.ipynb">view the full report</a>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="6_August_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-6_August_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-6_August_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-8-6">6 August 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-6_August_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>New toolbar in <code>Source</code> mode</i></p> <p>Yesterday, 5 August, the <code>Source</code> mode toolbar that was introduced as an opt-in setting in May, became available to all people who have the New Topic Tool enabled. Note: you can still turn this toolbar off if you would like within <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Preferences?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Preferences">Special:Preferences</a>.</p> <p><i>Empty talk pages</i></p> <p>Next week, the first iteration of the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#2_August_2021" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">empty state experience we shared on 2 August</a> will be visible to everyone who has the New Topic Tool enabled as a beta feature.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="2_August_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-2_August_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2_August_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-8-2">2 August 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-2_August_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Talk_page_empty_state.gif?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/254px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif" decoding="async" width="254" height="110" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/381px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Talk_page_empty_state.gif/508px-Talk_page_empty_state.gif 2x" data-file-width="1544" data-file-height="667"></a> <figcaption> Experience for starting a new discussion topic on a talk page that has not yet been created. <i>Mobile experience can be seen <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T274832%237186871" class="extiw" title="phab:T274832">in phab:T274832</a>.</i> </figcaption> </figure> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png/253px-Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png" decoding="async" width="253" height="122" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png/380px-Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png/506px-Edit_notices_in_the_New_Discussion_Tool.png 2x" data-file-width="1950" data-file-height="938"></a> <figcaption> Edit notices in the New Topic Tool. <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pot%25C5%2599ebuji_pomoc" class="extiw" title="cs:Wikipedie:Potřebuji pomoc">See how it looks/work on cs.wiki</a>. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>New functionality</i></p> <ul> <li>Empty talk pages: on many wikis, the majority of talk pages have not yet been created.<sup><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272657%236831756" class="extiw" title="phab:T272657">[1]</a></sup> To make the experience of creating these "empty" talk pages more intuitive for Junior Contributors, we are working on some improvements (pictured <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Talk_page_empty_state.gif" class="extiw" title="commons:File:Talk page empty state.gif">here</a>). <i>Note: this change only impacts people who have the New Topic Tool enabled.</i></li> <li>Edit notices: support for edit notices was added to the New Topic Tool. For now, we have <i>not</i> made any changes to how said edit notices will appear (read: they will continue to appear atop the New Topic Tool as they do atop the existing experience and be styled in the same way).</li> </ul> <p><i>New Topic Tool as an opt-out setting</i></p> <p>Later this month (August), we plan to offer the New Topic Tool as an opt-out setting at the first two projects: Arabic Wikipedia and Czech Wikipedia.</p> <p>Before moving forward with this deployment, we will first complete an analysis of how people have been using the tool while it's been available as a beta feature. The purpose of this analysis is to:</p> <ol> <li>Learn whether the tool is disrupting volunteers (e.g. causing more reverts) <i>and</i></li> <li>Learn whether people are finding the tool behaves in the ways they expect.</li> </ol> <p>The newly-created <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Extension:DiscussionTools/NewTopicMethods?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Extension:DiscussionTools/NewTopicMethods">Extension:DiscussionTools/NewTopicMethods</a> page is a great resource for seeing how the New Topic Tool will interact with the variety of methods there are for starting new talk page sections.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="13_May_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-13_May_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-13_May_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-5-13">13 May 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-13_May_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>New toolbar in <code>Source</code> mode</i></p> <p>As of Tuesday, 11 May, you can enable a toolbar within the New Topic Tool's <code>Source</code> mode. This toolbar introduces easier ways for pinging other people and inserting links into the comments you are drafting.</p> <p>To start, this new mode is being offered as an <b>opt-in</b> preference. You can enable it by taking the following steps:</p> <ol> <li>Ensure you have the New Topic Tool enabled</li> <li>Visit <code>Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing</code></li> <li>Locate the <code>Discussion pages</code> section</li> <li>"Check" the checkbox next to the setting that reads: <code>Enable experimental tools in the quick replying and quick topic adding features' source modes</code></li> <li>Click <code>Save</code></li> <li>✅ You are done. You should now see the new toolbar whenever you open the New Topic Tool's <code>Source</code> mode</li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="23_April_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-23_April_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-23_April_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-4-23">23 April 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-23_April_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_(source_mode_with_tools).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A screenshot showing the New Discussion Tool's <code>Souce</code> mode enhanced with tools for adding links and pings to the topics you write." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png/336px-New_Discussion_Tool_%28source_mode_with_tools%29.png" decoding="async" width="336" height="167" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%2528source_mode_with_tools%2529.png/504px-New_Discussion_Tool_%2528source_mode_with_tools%2529.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/New_Discussion_Tool_%2528source_mode_with_tools%2529.png/672px-New_Discussion_Tool_%2528source_mode_with_tools%2529.png 2x" data-file-width="2062" data-file-height="1024"></a> <figcaption> A screenshot showing the New Discussion Tool's new Souce mode. </figcaption> </figure> <p><i>New tools in <code>Source</code> mode</i></p> <p>In the coming weeks, you will be able to use a new <i><code>Source</code></i> mode in the New Topic Tool. This "new <i><code>Source</code></i> mode" introduces easier ways for pinging other people and inserting links into the topics you are drafting.</p> <p>To start, this new mode will be offered as an <b>opt-in</b> preference. You can experiment with the prototype version of this new functionality on a test wiki <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/12cdbb1f7baf0b71e7dc733aff3da949/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page">here</a> and review the deployment plan in Phabricator here: <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T276607" class="extiw" title="phab:T276607">T276607</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="16_March_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-16_March_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-16_March_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-3-16">16 March 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-16_March_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p>Today, 16-March, the New Topic Tool became available as an opt-in beta feature at the English and Russian Wikipedias and all <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects">Wikimedia Sister Projects</a>.</p> <p><i>Note: you can review how and where all <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project</a> features are available here: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Active_initiatives" title="Talk pages project">Talk pages project#Active initiatives</a>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="11_March_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-11_March_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-11_March_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-3-11">11 March 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-11_March_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Offering the New Topic Tool as an opt-in beta feature at more Wikipedias.</i></p> <p>Yesterday, 10-March, the New Topic Tool became available as a beta feature to logged in users at all Wikipedias except the English, German, and Russian Wikipedias. We made the decision to offer the tool at more projects after verifying with people who have been using the tool at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias that it is working as expected.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="26_February_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-26_February_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-26_February_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-2-26">26 February 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-26_February_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>1 week after initial beta feature deployment.</i></p> <p>The New Topic Tool has been available at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias for one week. So far, people have had positive things to say about the tool. Also, most people who have tried the tool at these wikis have used it more than once.</p> <p>Over the next couple of weeks, the team will continue monitoring how people are using the tool, the experiences they are having with it and determine when and how the tool can be offered as a <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Beta_Feature?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Beta Feature">Beta Feature</a> at more projects. In the meantime, if you are curious to see how people are using the tool, you can view this query:</p> <ul> <li>New Topic Tool usage at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/52630">https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/52630</a></li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="18_February_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-18_February_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-18_February_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-2-18">18 February 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-18_February_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Availability at Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias.</i></p> <p>Today, 18 February, the New Topic Tool became available as a <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Beta_Features?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Beta Features">beta feature</a> at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias. Once we are confident the tool is working as expected, we will begin the process of offering the New Topic Tool as a beta feature at more projects.</p> <p>In the meantime, volunteers at all projects can try the New Topic Tool on any talk page by appending <code>?dtenable=1</code> to the page's URL. For example: <code>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:F%C3%BAtbol?dtenable=1</code><i>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="22_January_2021" data-mw-thread-id="h-22_January_2021-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22_January_2021-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2021-1-22">22 January 2021</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-22_January_2021-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Trying the New Topic Tool in production</i></p> <p>As of this week, you can try the New Topic Tool on any talk page URL by appending ?dtenable=1 to it. For example: <a class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)?dtenable%3D1">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)?dtenable=1</a>.</p> <p><i>Usability testing + first deployment</i></p> <p>Junior and Senior Contributors recently completed testing the New Topic Tool prototypes. Both groups of people found the New Topic Tool to be intuitive and to work in ways they would expect. These test findings have encouraged the team to move forward with plans to offer the tool as a <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Beta_Features?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Beta Features">beta feature</a> at the Arabic, Czech and Hungarian Wikipedias in the coming weeks.</p> <p><i>You can read more about these usability tests in the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Usability_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Usability testing</a> section below.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="17_December_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-17_December_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-17_December_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-12-17">17 December 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-17_December_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Version 1.0 prototype</i></p> <p>The prototype of version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool is ready and we would value you trying it out and sharing what you think could be improved about how it functions.</p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Screenshot showing version 1.0 of the New Discussion Tool prototype." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/385px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png" decoding="async" width="385" height="143" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/578px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png/770px-New_Discussion_Tool_v1.0.png 2x" data-file-width="1778" data-file-height="660"></a> <figcaption> Screenshot showing version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool prototype. </figcaption> </figure> <p>You can try the prototype by clicking the link below on a desktop computer: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/3e14959a196db0f7b0c32a35c99dc0fc/w/index.php/Project:Teahouse">https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/3e14959a196db0f7b0c32a35c99dc0fc/w/index.php/Project:Teahouse</a>. (You do not need an account to maintain privacy. The IP address that is posted for all comments (172.16.0.164) belongs to the server.)</p> <p>You can read the instructions for sharing feedback by visiting the talk page: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vzswfe2hn2zuuwtc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vzswfe2hn2zuuwtc">Topic:Vzswfe2hn2zuuwtc</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="19_November_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-19_November_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-19_November_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-11-19">19 November 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-19_November_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Version 1.0 design feedback</i></p> <p>Over the past two weeks, people shared ideas for how <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool designs</a> could be improved to ensure Junior Contributors can confidently and correctly start new conversations.</p> <p>We understood the feedback people had to share about version 1.0 of the New Topic Tool design as falling into two broad categories:</p> <ol> <li>The discoverability of the affordance for adding a new topic</li> <li>The functionality offered within the "drafting" part of tool</li> </ol> <p>You can view a full summary of the feedback people shared and the plans we have for incorporating this feedback on the talk page here: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vy2rcl8fax0gyuxo?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vy2rcl8fax0gyuxo">Topic:Vy2rcl8fax0gyuxo</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="28_October_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-28_October_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-28_October_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-10-28">28 October 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-28_October_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Initial designs</i></p> <p>The team has a design proposal ready for how the first iteration of the New Topic Tool could look and function. We would value you hearing what you think about them.</p> <p>You can review the designs in the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">#Design</a> section below and share the thoughts and questions they bring to mind on the talk page here: <b><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi">Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi</a></b>.</p> <p>Sharing feedback by <b>Wednesday, 11-November-2020</b> will help us ensure what you have to say is considered as part of the prototype we will be building in the coming weeks.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="2_October_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-2_October_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2_October_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-10-2">2 October 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-2_October_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Design is underway</i></p> <p>The team is working on a few different design directions the New Topic Tool could take to meet the requirements listed below (see: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Approach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">New discussion#Approach</a>). These design directions are intended to help us make the following implementation decisions:</p> <ul> <li><b>Initial touchpoint</b><i>: Where and what do people click to start the process of adding a new discussion topic to a talk page?</i></li> <li><b>Composition:</b> <i>Where do people draft the title and body of the topic they are planning to publish?</i></li> <li><b>Posting/Feedback:</b> <i>What is the best way to communicate to people that the topic they intended others to be able to see and interact with has been posted successfully?</i></li> </ul> <p>In the next few weeks, you can expect mockups of these "different design directions" to be posted to this page along with a message on the talk page (<a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion">Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion</a>) inviting to share what you think about them. <i>In the meantime,</i> y<i>ou can follow the work to produce these mockups by visiting this Phabricator task: <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243248" class="extiw" title="phab:T243248">T243248</a>.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="22_May_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-22_May_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-22_May_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-5-22">22 May 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-22_May_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Design approach</i></p> <ul> <li>Initially, we will focus on improving the following aspects of the new discussion workflow: <ul> <li>Adjusting the language throughout the workflow to make it more discussion-specific.</li> <li>Enhancing the editing tool so people can write what they want to talk about without needing to learn or know about wikicode.</li> <li>Introducing subtle automations that guide people towards writing and posting topics that make it easy for others to understand and engage with.</li> </ul></li> <li>You can read more details about this approach and examples of interventions we are exploring here: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Design_approach" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Design approach</a>.</li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="1_May_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-1_May_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1_May_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-5-1">1 May 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-1_May_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Usability testing of existing experience</i></p> <ul> <li>We have completed four rounds of usability tests to better understand what people who are new to editing Wikipedia talk pages experience when attempting to start a new discussion.</li> <li>You can review these findings and what are planning in response below: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Usability_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Usability testing</a>.</li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="27_March_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-27_March_2020-Status_updates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-27_March_2020-Status_updates"></span><time datetime="2020-3-27">27 March 2020</time><span data-mw-comment-end="h-27_March_2020-Status_updates"></span></h3> </div> <p><i>Usability testing of existing experience</i></p> <ul> <li>To ensure the designs we create meet the needs of newer contributors seeking to talk with other people on Wikipedia, we are running a series of usability tests of the existing "start a new discussion thread" workflow.</li> <li>You can expect to see the research findings posted by mid-April, in the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Usability_testing" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">Usability testing</a> section below.</li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Open_questions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Open_questions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Open_questions"></span>Open questions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Open_questions"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section contains questions the team would value your input on.</i></p> <ol> <li><b>How do you typically go about starting a new conversation/section on a talk page? Does your workflow vary depending on the namespace?</b></li> <li><b>Are there aspects about your current workflow(s) for starting a new conversation/section you find to be inefficient or limiting?</b></li> <li><b>Have you noticed others having difficulty starting new discussion threads?</b></li> </ol> <p>The team is curious to hear what you have to say about these questions on the talk page here: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf">Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Objectives" data-mw-thread-id="h-Objectives"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Objectives"></span>Objectives<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Objectives"></span></h2> </div> <p>The improvements to the workflow for starting a new discussion thread on Wikipedia talk pages is intended to make it more intuitive for <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Junior Contributors</a> to initiate conversations in ways other contributors can easily reply to and to help <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Glossary?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Glossary">Senior Contributors</a> do the same, with less effort.</p> <p>We think helping contributors start conversations more easily and with less effort will increase the likelihood these contributors receive the input and guidance they are seeking from others.</p> <p>It is important to note that making it easier and more accessible for people with less experience contributing to Wikipedia to start new conversations on talk pages could cause an increase in "unproductive" behavior. Accordingly, as this new tool is deployed, we will monitor the edits people publish using it to ensure they are not disruptive to others.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Evaluating_impact" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evaluating_impact"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evaluating_impact"></span>Evaluating impact<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evaluating_impact"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section will contain the methods and data we will use to evaluate the impact of this feature.</i></p> <p><br></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Analysis_2:_Impact" data-mw-thread-id="h-Analysis_2:_Impact-Evaluating_impact"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Analysis_2:_Impact-Evaluating_impact"></span>Analysis 2: Impact<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Analysis_2:_Impact-Evaluating_impact"></span></h3> </div> <p>In the A/B test of the New Topic Tool, we sought to learn two things:</p> <ol> <li>Does the New Topic Tool cause a greater percentage of Junior Contributors to publish the new topics they start without a significant increase in disruption?</li> <li>Does the New Topic Tool cause Junior Contributors to be more likely to start (activation) and continue (retention) participating on Wikipedia talk pages?</li> </ol> <p>To answer the questions above, we ran an A/B test of the New Topic Tool from <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#27_January_2022" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion">27 January 2022</a> through 25 March 2022 on <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277825" class="extiw" title="phab:T277825">20 Wikipedias</a>. The results from this test can be found in the "Findings" section below.</p> <p><i>Timing</i></p> <p>This analysis was completed on 13 April 2022. The A/B test ran from 27 January 2022 through 25 March 2022.</p> <p><i>Findings</i></p> <ul> <li>The New Topic Tool causes logged-in Junior Contributors to have <b>more success publishing topics:</b> <ul> <li> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A chart showing the percentage of Junior Contributors and Senior Contributors that attempted to start a new topic and were successful in publishing at least one of these new topics during the A/B test." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png/479px-Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png" decoding="async" width="479" height="240" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png/719px-Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png/958px-Junior_and_Senior_Contributor_New_Topic_Tool_completion_rates.png 2x" data-file-width="1600" data-file-height="800"></a> <figcaption> The percentage of Junior Contributors and Senior Contributors that attempted to start a new topic and were successful in publishing at least one of these new topics during the A/B test. </figcaption> </figure>Junior Contributors who open the New Topic Tool are <b>~1.3 times more likely to successfully publish a new topic</b> than Junior Contributors who open the existing add new section workflow.</li> <li><b>44.2% of Junior Contributors</b> that opened the New Topic Tool were able to successfully publish at least one new topic during the A/B test compared to 37.2% of Junior Contributors using the existing add new section workflow (+ 7 percentage points; 19% increase).</li> </ul></li> <li>The New Topic Tool causes <b>logged-in Junior Contributors to be less disruptive</b>: <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A chart chowing the rates at which the edits Junior Contributors make with the New Topic Tool and the existing add section workflow are reverted." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png/475px-New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png" decoding="async" width="475" height="238" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png/713px-New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png/950px-New_topic_reverts_Junior_Contributors.png 2x" data-file-width="1600" data-file-height="800"></a> <figcaption> The rate at which the edits Junior Contributors make with the New Topic Tool and the existing add section workflow are reverted. </figcaption> </figure> <ul> <li>There was a <b>45% decrease</b> (-1.8 percentage points: 4.05% → 2.22%) in the percent of Junior Contributors <b>blocked after posting</b> a new topic using the New Topic Tool.</li> <li>There was an <b>11.6% decrease (-1.3 percentage points: 11.2% → 9.9%) in the percent of new topics reverted</b> 48 hours after they were posted using the New Topic Tool; however, there is not sufficient evidence to confirm this observed change was due to the New Topic Tool.</li> </ul></li> </ul> <ul> <li>Senior Contributors are <b>more successful publishing topics using the existing add section workflow</b> than they are using the New Topic Tool. <ul> <li>66% of Senior Contributors that opened the New Topic Tool were able to successfully publish at least one new topic during the A/B test compared to 71% of Senior Contributors using the existing add new section workflow (- 5 percentage points; <b>7% decrease)</b>.</li> </ul></li> <li>The New Topic Tool led to a <b>slight</b> <b>increase</b> in the <b>new topic completion rate for logged-out contributors;</b> however, there is not sufficient evidence to confirm this observed change was due to the New Topic Tool. <ul> <li><b>9.6% of logged-out contributors</b> that opened the New Topic Tool were able to successfully publish at least one new topic during the A/B test compared to 8.1% of Junior Contributors using the existing add new section workflow (+ 1.5 percentage points; 18.5% increase).</li> </ul></li> <li>The New Topic Tool led to slight <b>increases</b> in the <b>revert rate for new topic tool edits made by logged-out users and logged-in Senior Contributors;</b> however, there is not sufficient evidence to confirm either of these observed changes were due to the New Topic Tool. <ul> <li>There was a 0.6 percentage point <b>increase</b> (1.5% → 2.1%; 40% increase) in the <b>revert rate for new topic tool edits made by Senior Contributors</b> compared to edits they made using the previous add section link.</li> <li>There was a 3 percentage point <b>increase</b> (20.7% → 23.7%; 14.5% increase) in the <b>revert rate for new topic tool edits made by logged-out users</b> compared to edits they made using the previous add section link.</li> </ul></li> </ul> <p><i>Reports</i></p> <p>The full A/B test reports can be found here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.org/github/wikimedia-research/New-discussion-tool-analysis-2020/blob/main/ab_test_logged_in.ipynb">Logged-<b>In</b> New Topic AB Test Report</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.org/github/wikimedia-research/New-discussion-tool-analysis-2020/blob/main/ab_test_logged_out.ipynb">Logged-<b>Out</b> New Topic AB Test Report</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Analysis_1:_Adoption" data-mw-thread-id="h-Analysis_1:_Adoption-Evaluating_impact"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Analysis_1:_Adoption-Evaluating_impact"></span>Analysis 1: Adoption<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Analysis_1:_Adoption-Evaluating_impact"></span></h3> </div> <p>In this first analysis, we sought to learn whether people who have the New Topic Tool enabled as a beta feature are finding the tool disruptive and behaving in the ways they expect. We were also curious to begin to understand how heavily people were depending on the tool to start talk page discussions.</p> <p>To determine the extent to which people were finding the tool "disruptive" and "behaving in ways they expect," we looked at the following metrics:</p> <ul> <li>The percent of distinct contributors that explicitly disabled the New Topic Tool after publishing at least one new topic with the tool.</li> <li>The percent of all published edits made with the New Topic Tool that are reverted within 48 hours of being published compared to the percent of all talk page edits made with full-page editing that are reverted within 48 hours of being published.</li> </ul> <p>To begin to understand how "heavily people were depending on the tool to start talk page discussions", we looked at the following metrics:</p> <ul> <li>The percent of distinct contributors who published at least one new topic with the tool.</li> <li>For contributors that have published at least 1 new topic with the New Topic Tool, the percent of distinct contributors that used the New Topic Tool to create the following percentage of all new topics: 0-25%, 26-50%, 51-75%, or 76-100% of new topics.</li> </ul> <p><i>Timing</i></p> <p>This analysis was completed on 17 August 2021.</p> <p><i>Conclusions and Findings</i></p> <ul> <li>Conclusion: The New Topic Tool is not disruptive to the majority of people who have used it as well as to the people who maintain the pages on which the tool is being used. <ul> <li>Finding: <b>91.68% of contributors</b> that published at least one new topic with the New Topic Tool <b>kept the tool enabled</b> during the reviewed time period.</li> <li>Finding: Of all the edits Junior Contributors made to talk pages during the time period that was analyzed, the proportion of <b>reverted</b> <b>edits Junior Contributors made with the New Topic Tool was 21.3% less</b> than the proportion of reverted edits they made with the existing, full-page editing interface.</li> </ul></li> <li>Conclusion: Among people who started multiple discussions during the analysis period, nearly all of them came to depend on the New Topic Tool to start new topics. <ul> <li>Finding: Of the contributors that published more than one new topic on a talk page including at least one with the New Topic Tool, <b>95.3% of these contributors published between 75 to 100 percent of all their new topics</b> using the New Topic Tool.</li> </ul></li> </ul> <p><i>Report</i></p> <p>You can <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/wikimedia-research/New-discussion-tool-analysis-2020/blob/main/New-discussion-tool-adoption-metrics.ipynb">review the full analysis results in this Jupyter notebook</a>.</p> <p><br></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Background" data-mw-thread-id="h-Background"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Background"></span>Background<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Background"></span></h2> </div> <p>The <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editing_team?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Editing team">Editing Team</a> is committed to improving how contributors communicate about their work on Wikipedia, by making existing wikitext talk pages easier and more efficient to use.</p> <p>A key part of the process of communicating with other contributors is starting a new topic thread. Trouble is, as <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Flow/Moderated_Testing,_November,_2014:_talk_pages_and_Flow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Findings:_Tasks_on_Talk_Pages" title="Flow/Moderated Testing, November, 2014: talk pages and Flow">previous</a> <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/New_user_tests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/New user tests">research</a> and the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_1_report?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/Phase 1 report">Talk Page Consultation 2019</a> uncovered, contributors, across experience levels, find the workflow for starting a new topic on talk pages challenging. Specifically, our research has found:</p> <ul> <li><b>Junior Contributors do not recognize talk pages as places to talk with others</b>. To many newer contributors, talk pages look like Wikipedia articles. There is no discussion-specific interface or elements that make it clear to people what these pages are used for: to talk with other editors to improve the encyclopedia. This lack of context makes it difficult for people to recognize the conversations happening on talk pages as well as the affordances (e.g. buttons and links) that would enable them to start new ones.</li> <li><b>Junior Contributors do not sign their edits</b>. When newer contributors do not sign the new topics they start, they create more work for people wanting to respond. For in order for them to know who to address their response to, they need to navigate to a separate page (the talk page's history page). Additionally, when people do not sign their comments, others will miss out on the opportunity to quickly reply using tools like the new <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying">Replying feature</a>.</li> <li><b>Junior Contributors find the workflow difficult to discover.</b> Many talk pages contain large yellow infoboxes. While these infoboxes are helpful for communicating the quality of an article, editing instructions and links to archived conversations, they, "...are so prominent they distract people from most important actions on a talk page (start a new topic, reply, edit, etc)." [<a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Flow/Moderated_Testing,_November,_2014:_talk_pages_and_Flow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Findings:_Tasks_on_Talk_Pages" title="Flow/Moderated Testing, November, 2014: talk pages and Flow">1</a>] Other research has shown newer contributors can miss the "New section" link altogether, clicking "Edit source" instead, causing them further confusion. [<a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/New_user_tests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages consultation 2019/New user tests">2</a>]</li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Design" data-mw-thread-id="h-Design"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Design"></span>Design<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Design"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section contains information about design strategy.</i> <span class="anchor" id="Design_approach"></span></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Approach" data-mw-thread-id="h-Approach-Design"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Approach-Design"></span>Approach<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Approach-Design"></span></h3> </div> <p>For people to be confident starting a new conversation on a talk page, we have identified four broad conditions that need to be met:</p> <ol> <li>People recognize talk pages as places to communicate with others.</li> <li>People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new.</li> <li>People have the tools they need to represent what they want to talk about in ways others can understand.</li> <li>People know what to click/press to make others aware of what they want to talk about.</li> <li>People are confident what they are wanting to talk about is visible to others.</li> </ol> <p>Initially, we are going to focus on improving "conditions" <b>2.</b>, <b>3.</b>, <b>4.</b>, and <b>5.</b> This means, we will start by experimenting with designs that:</p> <ul> <li>Adjust the language throughout the workflow to make it more discussion-specific. <i>An example: adjusting the "Publish changes" button to read "Add topic."</i></li> <li>Enhance the editing tool so people can write what they want to talk about without needing to learn or know about wikicode. <i>An example: introducing a way for people to draft discussion topics using a rich text editor.</i></li> <li>Introduce subtle automations that guide people towards writing and posting topics that make it easy for others to understand and engage with. <i>An example: automatically signing new topic posts and requiring people to include a "Subject" in the section/discussion they are drafting.</i></li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Version_1.0" data-mw-thread-id="h-Version_1.0-Design"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Version_1.0-Design"></span>Version 1.0<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Version_1.0-Design"></span></h3> </div> <p>The "designs" in this section show the approach we are considering implementing for the first iteration of the New Topic Tool.</p> <p>These designs are intended to arrive at an opinion about the following aspects of the tool's user experience:</p> <ul> <li><b>Composition:</b> <i>Where and how do people draft the new topic they are planning to add to a talk page?</i></li> <li><b>Posting/Feedback:</b> <i>What is the best way to communicate to people the topic they have written has been posted successfully.</i></li> </ul> <p><b>Designs</b></p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-slideshow"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description" title="What it could look like to use the New Topic Tool's visual mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page."><img alt="A GIF showing what it could look like to use the New Topic Tool's visual mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif/120px-New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif" decoding="async" width="120" height="72" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif/180px-New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif/240px-New_Discussion_Tool_visual_worfklow.gif 2x" data-file-width="1356" data-file-height="817"></a></span> </div> <div class="gallerytext"> What it could look like to use the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">New Topic Tool's</a> <code>visual</code> mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page. </div></li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description" title="What it could look like to use the New Topic Tool's source mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page."><img alt="A GIF showing what it could look like to use the New Topic Tool's source mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif/120px-New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif" decoding="async" width="120" height="72" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif/180px-New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif/240px-New_Discussion_Tool_source_worfklow.gif 2x" data-file-width="1343" data-file-height="809"></a></span> </div> <div class="gallerytext"> What it could look like to use the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">New Topic Tool's</a> <code>source</code> mode to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page. </div></li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(start).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description" title="What Wikipedia talk pages on desktop could look like to someone who has the New Topic Tool turned on."><img alt="Screenshot showing what Wikipedia talk pages on desktop could look like to someone who has the New Topic Tool turned on." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28start%29.png/120px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28start%29.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="67" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528start%2529.png/180px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528start%2529.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528start%2529.png/240px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528start%2529.png 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1610"></a></span> </div> <div class="gallerytext"> What Wikipedia talk pages on desktop could look like to someone who has the <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>New Topic Tool</b></a> turned on. </div></li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description" title="Drafting a new topic topic using the New Topic Tool's visual mode."><img alt="Screenshot showing what it could look like to add a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page using the New Topic Tool's visual mode." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/120px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="67" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528composition%2529.png/180px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528composition%2529.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528composition%2529.png/240px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528composition%2529.png 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1610"></a></span> </div> <div class="gallerytext"> Drafting a new topic topic using the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">New Topic Tool's</a> <code>visual</code> mode. </div></li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(publish).png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description" title="Publishing a new topic topic using the New Topic Tool."><img alt="Screenshot showing what it could look like to publish a new topic topic to a Wikipedia talk page using the New Topic Tool." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28publish%29.png/120px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28publish%29.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="67" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528publish%2529.png/180px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528publish%2529.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528publish%2529.png/240px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%2528publish%2529.png 2x" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1610"></a></span> </div> <div class="gallerytext"> Publishing a new topic topic using the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">New Topic Tool.</a> </div></li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Deployment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deployment"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deployment"></span>Deployment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deployment"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section will contain information about how and where the Starting a new topic tool will be deployed.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="Usability_testing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Usability_testing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usability_testing"></span>Usability testing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usability_testing"></span></h2> </div> <p><i>This section contains information about usability testing the team has conducted to better understand contributors' experiences starting new topics.</i></p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="V1.0_Prototype" data-mw-thread-id="h-V1.0_Prototype-Usability_testing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-V1.0_Prototype-Usability_testing"></span>V1.0 Prototype<span data-mw-comment-end="h-V1.0_Prototype-Usability_testing"></span></h3> </div> <p><b>Test goals</b></p> <p>The primary goals of this test were to better understand the following:</p> <ul> <li><i>Do Junior Contributors find the new workflow for adding new topic intuitive?</i></li> <li><i>Is the New Topic Tool compatible with Senior Contributors' existing workflows?</i></li> </ul> <p><b>Testing method (Junior Contributors)</b></p> <p>Two rounds of usability tests were run on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.usertesting.com/">usertesting.com</a> with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.nngroup.com/articles/why-you-only-need-to-test-with-5-users/">5 participants</a> in each test. Participants were screened to ensure they were technically advanced web users who have used Wikipedia in some capacity before.</p> <p>They were asked to start new topic topics on article and user talk pages on a prototype server via a web browser, while narrating their experience.</p> <p><b>Findings (Junior Contributors)</b></p> <p><i>Below is a summary of the test findings. More details can be found in this ticket on Phabricator: <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243249" class="extiw" title="phab:T243249">T243249</a>.</i></p> <ul> <li>✅ 10/10 participants were able to add new topics on article and user talk pages.</li> <li>✅ 10/10 participants reporting feeling confident about having taken the correct steps to start a new topic topic.</li> <li>✅ 10/10 participants were able to successfully locate the new topics they published to the page.</li> <li>⚠️ Several participants expected there to be quick and familiar ways for deleting or editing the topic they had published. <i>Work on this will happen in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T245225" class="extiw" title="phab:T245225">T245225</a>.</i></li> </ul> <p><b>Testing method (Senior Contributors)</b></p> <p>Invitations for Senior Contributors to try the New Topic Tool prototype were posted on <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vzswfe2hn2zuuwtc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vzswfe2hn2zuuwtc">mediawiki.org</a> as well as at the <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D9%2588%25D9%258A%25D9%2583%25D9%258A%25D8%25A8%25D9%258A%25D8%25AF%25D9%258A%25D8%25A7:%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D9%2585%25D9%258A%25D8%25AF%25D8%25A7%25D9%2586/%25D8%25AA%25D9%2582%25D9%2586%25D9%258A%25D8%25A9%23%D8%A3%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A9_%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A9_%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%AB%D8%A7%D8%AA:_%D8%A3%D8%B6%D9%81_%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B9%D8%A7" class="extiw" title="ar:ويكيبيديا:الميدان/تقنية">Arabic</a>, <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%25C3%25ADpou%23N%C3%A1stroj_na_p%C5%99id%C3%A1v%C3%A1n%C3%AD_nov%C3%BDch_vl%C3%A1ken" class="extiw" title="cs:Wikipedie:Pod lípou">Czech</a> and <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Kocsmafal_(m%25C5%25B1szaki)/Arch%25C3%25ADv134%23%C3%9Aj_szakasz_nyit%C3%A1sa_a_v%C3%A1laszeszk%C3%B6zzel" class="extiw" title="hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (műszaki)/Archív134">Hungarian</a> Wikipedias.</p> <p>Participants were asked to share answers to the following questions:</p> <ul> <li>Compare the prototype to the current <code>Add topic</code> experience: are there particular workflows you use the existing <code>Add topic</code> / <code>New section</code> workflow for and that the prototype does <i>not</i> support?</li> <li>What do you wish was different about the prototype?</li> <li>What do you appreciate about the prototype?</li> </ul> <p><b>Findings (Senior Contributors)</b></p> <p>Below is a summary of the test findings.</p> <ul> <li>✅ Most of the Senior Contributor test participants appreciated the consistency between how the New Topic Tool and <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Replying?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Talk pages project/Replying">Reply Tool</a> look and function and were able to use it to publish new topics in ways they expected.</li> <li>⚠️ Several people noted how it could be valuable to make it so the affordance (think: link, button, etc.) for starting a new topic is easier for people who are new to notice. <i>Work on this will happen in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267444" class="extiw" title="phab:T267444">T267444</a>.</i></li> <li>⚠️ Several people noted how the tool could be made to appear more visually distinct from the rest of the talk page. <i>Work on this is happening in <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T269157" class="extiw" title="phab:T269157">T269157</a>.</i></li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"> <h3 id="Control_test:_current_start_new_topic_experience" data-mw-thread-id="h-Control_test:_current_start_new_topic_experience-Usability_testing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Control_test:_current_start_new_topic_experience-Usability_testing"></span>Control test: current start new topic experience<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Control_test:_current_start_new_topic_experience-Usability_testing"></span></h3> </div> <p><b>Test goals</b></p> <p>The primary goals of this test were to learn:</p> <ul> <li><i>What challenges do Junior Contributors face in the process of starting a new topic on Wikipedia article's talk page?</i></li> <li><i>What challenges do Junior Contributors face in the process of starting a new topic with another Wikipedia contributor on their user talk page?</i></li> <li><i>What steps do Junior Contributors expect to be involved with starting a new topic on Wikipedia article and user talk pages?</i></li> </ul> <p><b>Testing method</b></p> <p>Four rounds of usability tests were run on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.usertesting.com/">usertesting.com</a> with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://www.nngroup.com/articles/why-you-only-need-to-test-with-5-users/">5 participants</a> per test. Each participant was screened to ensure they were technically advanced web users who have used Wikipedia in some capacity before.</p> <p>They were asked to start new topic topics on article and user talk pages on a prototype server via a web browser, while narrating their experience.</p> <p>These test pages can be viewed here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://visualeditor-prototype.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Cat">test <b>article</b> talk page</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://visualeditor-prototype.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title%3DUser_talk:Alice">test <b>user</b> talk page</a>.</p> <ol> <li class="mw-empty-elt"></li> </ol> <p><b>Findings</b></p> <p>Below is a summary of the test findings. More details can be found in this ticket on Phabricator: <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239175%235723843" class="extiw" title="phab:T239175">T239175#5723843</a>.</p> <p><i>Positive</i></p> <ul> <li>The majority of test participants were able to start new section/discussions. <ul> <li>With the above said, the majority of people who participated did not do so successfully. Where "successfully" means they signed the discussion they started and had confidence they were taking the right steps to begin a conversation about an article or with another editor.</li> </ul></li> </ul> <p><i>Challenges</i></p> <ul> <li><b>None the test participants signed</b> the discussions they started.</li> <li>Test participants <b>did not understood</b> <b>how talk pages worked</b> and what effect starting a new topic would have: <ul> <li><i>“I'm beginning to see this page is just a transcript for previous things. Maybe Alice is helping people so she is putting it on there for people to see.”</i></li> <li><i>"If I known my subject line would be displayed so openly here, I would have written something better. I thought this was a personal message."</i></li> </ul></li> <li>Test participants expressed uncertainty about whether the actions they were taking would lead them to accomplish the task at-hand. Here are a few examples that demonstrate this lack of clarity and uncertainty: <ul> <li><i>"It was not intuitive - I thought I needed to go to the bottom of the page."</i></li> <li><i>"...everything was painful, I got lost a couple of times, the layout is very difficult to digest with lots of text and too much colours that don´t mean much unless you are familiar with the site."</i></li> </ul></li> <li>Multiple test participants found the calls to action confusing. This quote exemplifies the challenge people experienced: <ul> <li><i>"It was challenging to understand that add topic meant starting a discussion.. these are not the same words and it could be mistaken as a fully new topic for example, a subsection of cats that would create an entirely new page, not just a discussion within the current page."</i></li> </ul></li> <li>The majority of test participants had difficulty locating the "Add topic" button tab on the talk page (article and user). <ul> <li>The templates that appear at the top of many article talk pages (<a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_templates" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Talk page templates">Talk page templates</a>) seemed to distract test participants from locating the button to start a new topic.</li> </ul></li> <li>Test participants expected to be automatically notified when someone responded to the discussion they started: <ul> <li><i>"I would hope that somehow my email account is linked to this so then I can get an email saying something like “Alice has responded to your question” and thenI can go and click on that link from my email that will open the Wikipedia link and then I can reply to Alice there."</i></li> </ul></li> </ul> <p><i>Improvements</i></p> <p>The findings above are leading us to pursue the following improvements to help people start conversations, in ways other contributors can easily engage, with less effort:</p> <ul> <li>Make it easier for people to find/discover the affordance(s) for starting a new topic.</li> <li>Make it more clear to people what the effects will be of the actions they take. <ul> <li>E.g. People will be confident about knowing where the content they post is published and who it will be able to see it.</li> </ul></li> <li>Make it easier for people to start conversations in ways that makes it easy for others to reply to. Where "easy for others to reply to" means things like: <ul> <li>Potential responders can quickly see who started the conversation and when they started it.</li> <li>Potential responders can easily understand what the person starting the conversation is wanting to talk about.</li> </ul></li> <li>Make it easier for people to know when someone has responded to something they have said.</li> </ul> <p><b>Comments</b></p> <p>This test highlighted an important tension many Junior Contributors seem to face: <i>technically</i> they finish the task they set out to complete, but do so without being confident they did it <i>correctly</i>. And if they do realize they have made a mistake, they are not equipped to fix it because the proper ways of doing so are not intuitive enough for them to understand. This tension seems to map to a larger issue that we intend to incrementally address: it is not clear to people how talk pages work. Said another way: the current implementation of talk pages lead people to hold various and often inaccurate mental models for how talk pages work.</p> <p><b>Next steps</b></p> <p>In response to the findings above, we are designing interventions to address the challenges the test surfaced. We will then share a cohesive design/mockup that we will ask for feedback on.</p> <p>In parallel, we are inviting feedback from Senior Contributors about their experiences starting new topics on talk pages. You can review what people are saying and/or add your thoughts on the talk page: <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf">Topic:Vjl9e4d6kwjbtbxf</a>.</p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"> <h2 id="History" data-mw-thread-id="h-History"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-History"></span>History<span data-mw-comment-end="h-History"></span></h2> </div> <p>Many projects have, and are, working to improve contributors' experiences with talk pages. This project is better off for their existence. Some of the projects the team continues to learn from are listed on the <a href="https://www-mediawiki-org.translate.goog/wiki/Talk_pages_project?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#References" title="Talk pages project">main project page</a> and below. 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