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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anarchy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anarchy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Anarchy</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Anarchy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Removing ""Commercial at" in other languages"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Objections_to_Modern_Usage" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Objections_to_Modern_Usage"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Objections to Modern Usage</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Objections_to_Modern_Usage-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Guys,_check_this_URL_out-" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Guys,_check_this_URL_out-"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Guys, check this URL out-</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Guys,_check_this_URL_out--sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Malagasy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Malagasy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Malagasy</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Malagasy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>"sometimes mistakenly called an ampersand"?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Mandarin Chinese in not spoken in Taiwan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff."" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff.""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>In Icelandic it is called "the earmuff."</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff."-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Animation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Animation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Animation</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Animation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Self-referential_use_in_this_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Self-referential_use_in_this_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Self-referential use in this article</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Self-referential_use_in_this_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Each_Sign" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Each_Sign"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Each Sign</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Each_Sign-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-contradiction" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#contradiction"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>contradiction</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-contradiction-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Incorrect?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Incorrect?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Incorrect?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Incorrect?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Incorrect? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Incorrect?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Commonly_referred_to?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Commonly_referred_to?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17.1</span> <span>Commonly referred to?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Commonly_referred_to?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Commercial_sense" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Commercial_sense"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Commercial sense</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Commercial_sense-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>The "Asperand" Strikes Back . . . time for a English neologism section?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Incorrect_Polish_word" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Incorrect_Polish_word"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Incorrect Polish word</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Incorrect_Polish_word-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-The_German_word_is_also_stupid" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#The_German_word_is_also_stupid"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>The German word is also stupid</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-The_German_word_is_also_stupid-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Computing_usage" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Computing_usage"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Computing usage</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Computing_usage-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_modern_@_use_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_modern_@_use_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>More modern @ use ?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-More_modern_@_use_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-No_news_is_good_news." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#No_news_is_good_news."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>No news is good news.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-No_news_is_good_news.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Daily Telegraph / Reuters plagiarizing Wikipedia?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Attersand?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Attersand?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Attersand?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Attersand?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Spanish/Portuguese" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Spanish/Portuguese"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Spanish/Portuguese</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Spanish/Portuguese-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Possible_historical_reference" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Possible_historical_reference"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Possible historical reference</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Possible_historical_reference-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Amphora" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Amphora"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Amphora</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Amphora-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ampersat" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ampersat"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Ampersat</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ampersat-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-jdoe@example.com" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#jdoe@example.com"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>jdoe@example.com</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-jdoe@example.com-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-@_on_the_keyboard" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#@_on_the_keyboard"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>@ on the keyboard</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-@_on_the_keyboard-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Redirect_to_@Home_Network" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Redirect_to_@Home_Network"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Redirect to @Home Network</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Redirect_to_@Home_Network-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Added_multiple_issues_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Added_multiple_issues_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Added multiple issues template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Added_multiple_issues_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-footnote_citation_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#footnote_citation_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>footnote citation 3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-footnote_citation_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pre-internet_iconic_use" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pre-internet_iconic_use"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Pre-internet iconic use</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pre-internet_iconic_use-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Substitution of @ and . in e-mail addresses</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_different_meaning." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_different_meaning."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>A different meaning.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_different_meaning.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Asperand_again" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Asperand_again"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Asperand again</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Asperand_again-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Soviet_computer_screen_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Soviet_computer_screen_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Soviet computer screen image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Soviet_computer_screen_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Modern_Usage_and_"located_at""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Modern Usage and "located at"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Batch" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Batch"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Batch</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Batch-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Obscure?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Obscure?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Obscure?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Obscure?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span><b>Asperand</b>, <b>ampersat</b>, etc: moving them out of the lead para.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-nethack" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#nethack"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>nethack</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-nethack-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Apestail" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Apestail"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Apestail</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Apestail-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Move" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Move"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Move</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Move-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Voluted A in Czech/Slovak?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Type_it_like_alt+" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Type_it_like_alt+"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Type it like alt+</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Type_it_like_alt+-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-language_references_and_formatting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#language_references_and_formatting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>language references and formatting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-language_references_and_formatting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Commonly_known_as..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Commonly_known_as..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Commonly known as...</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Commonly_known_as...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Is <i>modal logic</i> a programming language?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-German_and_Swiss_German" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#German_and_Swiss_German"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>German and Swiss German</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-German_and_Swiss_German-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-!@" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#!@"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>!@</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-!@-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Historical_discrepancy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Historical_discrepancy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Historical discrepancy</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Historical_discrepancy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-External_links_modified" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#External_links_modified"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>External links modified</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-External_links_modified-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Shorthand" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Shorthand"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Shorthand</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Shorthand-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>Maybe change the name to: At 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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Typography" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Typography</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Typography</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Typography</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Typography articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-mid"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_Typography_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance Typography articles">Mid</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Mid-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Importance_of_topic" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria">importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Vandalism?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vandalism?-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z"><span id="Vandalism.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vandalism?-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z"></span>Vandalism?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vandalism?-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Vandalism?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ixtli-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z-Vandalism?"></span>Removed "definition of @-DIGGER AND LINDY WORDS ARE SWITCHED IN A SENTENCE" at the end of "Modern Uses". If this is somehow not vandalism, perhaps it needs explanation before being reinstated ... <a href="/wiki/User:Ixtli" title="User:Ixtli">Ixtli</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Ixtli-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z-Vandalism?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ixtli-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z-Vandalism?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ixtli-2007-05-24T14:55:00.000Z-Vandalism?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Its_Actual_Name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Its_Actual_Name-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Its_Actual_Name-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"></span>Its Actual Name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Its_Actual_Name-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Its Actual Name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z-Its_Actual_Name"></span>There is a sentence at the start of the article about there being no english name for the '@' symbol , its name is the 'ampersat' in english. And if there's an article about the '&' symbol its name is the 'ampersand'. There is a rule to this stuff, summat to do with amper being greek or summat for symbol. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.205.110.54" title="Special:Contributions/217.205.110.54">217.205.110.54</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:217.205.110.54" title="User talk:217.205.110.54">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z-Its_Actual_Name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z-Its_Actual_Name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z-Its_Actual_Name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EasyTarget-2007-10-08T09:15:00.000Z-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"></span>This has already been discussed here, please see other notes in this talk page (hint: look for the word 'ampersat' on this page'). If a proper citation/reference for this can be produced please add it and the reference, a good place to start looking for such a reference would be a dictionary.</dd> <dd>Also, see the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Layout%7C">guidelines</a> for talk pages, new comments should be placed at the end of the page and signed. it's generally a good idea to read the talk pages first anyway so that you can see any prior discussions on your contribution. <a href="/wiki/User:EasyTarget" title="User:EasyTarget">EasyTarget</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-EasyTarget-2007-10-08T09:15:00.000Z-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EasyTarget-2007-10-08T09:15:00.000Z-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EasyTarget-2007-10-08T09:15:00.000Z-217.205.110.54-2007-10-08T07:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_from_Commercial_at" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Commercial_at-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Commercial_at-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Merge from <a href="/wiki/Commercial_at" class="mw-redirect" title="Commercial at">Commercial at</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Commercial_at-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Merge from Commercial at"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krubo-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z-Merge_from_Commercial_at"></span>I propose merging the article <a href="/wiki/Commercial_at" class="mw-redirect" title="Commercial at">Commercial at</a> into this article (<a href="/wiki/@" class="mw-redirect" title="@">@</a>), leaving a redirect from there to here. </p><p>Reason for merge: both articles are principally about the symbol "@" in general. </p><p>Reason for using "@" as title: "Commercial" creates the false impression that the article is only for the symbol's use as related to commerce; indeed, it looks like confusion over the term "commercial" is why the two articles branched apart to begin with. <a href="/wiki/User:Krubo" title="User:Krubo">Krubo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Krubo-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z-Merge_from_Commercial_at" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krubo-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z-Merge_from_Commercial_at"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krubo-2005-05-07T20:35:00.000Z-Merge_from_Commercial_at"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="move_to_at_sign" data-mw-thread-id="h-move_to_at_sign-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-move_to_at_sign-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"></span>move to at sign<span data-mw-comment-end="h-move_to_at_sign-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: move to at sign"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span>imo the name of an article should be the name of the symbol not the symbol itself. If there are no objections i therefore propose moving this to "at sign". I cannot make the move as a normal user because the redirect there was edited in the past hence . <a href="/wiki/User:Plugwash" title="User:Plugwash">Plugwash</a> 29 June 2005 16:40 (UTC) </p> <ul><li><b>Agree</b>. All other articles on punctuation marks and similar symbols are listed at the symbol's name, not the symbol itself (see <a href="/wiki/Template:Punctuation_marks" title="Template:Punctuation marks">Template:Punctuation marks</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Angr" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Angr">Angr</a>/<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Angr" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Angr"><sub><span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">tɔk<span class="wrap"> </span>tə<span class="wrap"> </span>mi</span></sub></a> 29 June 2005 17:47 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Comment</b>: Why not "at" or "at symbol"? As the article says, those are both common names for the symbol. <a href="/wiki/User:NatusRoma" title="User:NatusRoma">NatusRoma</a> 30 June 2005 05:53 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Oppose</b>: The current title is simple, straightforward, and unambiguous. People would always be bickering about which phrasing is better anyway ("at sign" versus "at symbol" etc.) —<a href="/wiki/User:Mulad" title="User:Mulad">Mulad</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mulad" title="User talk:Mulad">(talk)</a> June 30, 2005 06:25 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Support</b> Article titles are names of things, not the things. <i>At sign</i> is unambiguous, and the most commonly-used name in my experience. <i>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mzajac" title="User:Mzajac">Michael</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac" title="User talk:Mzajac">Z.</a> <small>2005-06-30 18:01 Z</small></i></li> <li><b>Comment</b>: The letter Þ is there, not at its English name thorn, and that isn't as easy to type on most keyboards in the English-speaking world. I am currently undecided about this. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathunder" title="User:Jonathunder">Jonathunder</a> 2005 July 8 01:20 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>There's currently a discussion about moving it back to <a href="/wiki/Thorn_(letter)" title="Thorn (letter)">thorn (letter)</a>. <i>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mzajac" title="User:Mzajac">Michael</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac" title="User talk:Mzajac">Z.</a> <small>2005-07-9 23:28 Z</small></i> <dl><dd>judging from the history of <a href="/wiki/Thorn_(linguistics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Thorn (linguistics)">Thorn (linguistics)</a> that article seems to have been moved arround quite a bit. <a href="/wiki/User:Plugwash" title="User:Plugwash">Plugwash</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 9 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lifeisunfair-2005-07-11T03:10:00.000Z-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>: "at sign" or "at symbol" <a href="/wiki/User:Dragons_flight" title="User:Dragons flight">Dragons flight</a> 20:38, July 9, 2005 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Support</b>. "At sign" is the most common term among speakers of the English language. —<a href="/wiki/User:Lifeisunfair" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Lifeisunfair">Lifeisunfair</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Lifeisunfair-2005-07-11T03:10:00.000Z-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lifeisunfair-2005-07-11T03:10:00.000Z-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lifeisunfair-2005-07-11T03:10:00.000Z-Plugwash-2005-07-09T23:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Violetriga-2005-07-11T20:10:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span>This article has been renamed after the result of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">move request</a>.</i> <a href="/wiki/User:Violetriga" title="User:Violetriga">violet/riga</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Violetriga" title="User talk:Violetriga">(t)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Violetriga-2005-07-11T20:10:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Violetriga-2005-07-11T20:10:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Violetriga-2005-07-11T20:10:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span>I have removed the following paragraph as it has no grounding wahtever in research. could someone justify where this wholly biase point of view comes from? </p><p>Many Spanish speakers feel that this use of the "@" is degrading to their language, and some allege that it is an example of cultural imperialism. This construction is generally only used in informal writing. </p> <hr/> <p>Would anyone be interested in explaining the history of the joke behind calling '@' by the name of 'atgry'? I read the referenced link, but that only gave me the punchline - what's the joke? <a href="/wiki/User:Peruvianllama" title="User:Peruvianllama">Peruvianllama</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2006-02-08T02:30:00.000Z-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"></span>What English word ends in "gry" besides hungry and angry? Circulating around the net in the mid-90's, but has no conventional or commonly-accepted answer... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-AnonMoos-2006-02-08T02:30:00.000Z-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2006-02-08T02:30:00.000Z-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2006-02-08T02:30:00.000Z-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-41.223.213.89-20241028205600-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"></span>Can you help <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.223.213.89" title="Special:Contributions/41.223.213.89">41.223.213.89</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:41.223.213.89&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:41.223.213.89 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-41.223.213.89-20241028205600-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-41.223.213.89-20241028205600-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-41.223.213.89-20241028205600-Peruvianllama-2005-10-04T05:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span>I've heard that atgry (at atgrynge in plural form) is another name for @ but I don't see it anywhere in the article; does anyone have any sources? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.103.169.140" title="Special:Contributions/77.103.169.140">77.103.169.140</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:77.103.169.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:77.103.169.140 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z-move_to_at_sign"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.185.206.118-20220714020100-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z"></span>AFAICT, it's a Usenet invention, possibly created in this post: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/iA2K-rHSM5Q/m/yeHhxaGlep8J">https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/iA2K-rHSM5Q/m/yeHhxaGlep8J</a>. I love it but I dunno how seriously it should be taken. ;-) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.185.206.118" title="Special:Contributions/71.185.206.118">71.185.206.118</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.185.206.118&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.185.206.118 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-71.185.206.118-20220714020100-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.185.206.118-20220714020100-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.185.206.118-20220714020100-77.103.169.140-2013-04-07T10:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anarchy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anarchy-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anarchy-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z"></span>Anarchy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anarchy-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Anarchy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Ungovernable_Force-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z-Anarchy"></span>I am adding to the section of various uses that it is also used online as a representation of the circle-a anarchy sign. (see <a href="/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism" title="Anarchist symbolism">anarchist symbolism</a>)<a href="/wiki/User:The_Ungovernable_Force" title="User:The Ungovernable Force">The Ungovernable Force</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-The_Ungovernable_Force-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z-Anarchy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Ungovernable_Force-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z-Anarchy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Ungovernable_Force-2006-01-01T06:56:00.000Z-Anarchy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"><span id="Removing_.22.22Commercial_at.22_in_other_languages.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"></span>Removing ""Commercial at" in other languages"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Removing ""Commercial at" in other languages""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages""></span>Hi guys, </p><p>I'm quite perplexed at seeing this section. Interwiki links already cover this, don't they? --<a href="/wiki/User:Gennaro_Prota" title="User:Gennaro Prota">Gennaro Prota</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z-Removing_""Commercial_at"_in_other_languages""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:29:00.000Z-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"></span>Hmm... I withdraw this, sorry. With interwiki links only, we wouldn't have the translation of the non-English names, of course. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gennaro_Prota" title="User:Gennaro Prota">Gennaro Prota</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:29:00.000Z-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:29:00.000Z-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:29:00.000Z-Gennaro_Prota-2006-03-18T01:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Objections_to_Modern_Usage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Objections_to_Modern_Usage"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Objections_to_Modern_Usage"></span>Objections to Modern Usage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Objections_to_Modern_Usage"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Objections to Modern Usage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I think the Modern Usage section has been abused. Some are appropriate, but most others belong in elsewhere (Technical Usage section?) if at all. </p><p>Certainly the bit about emails is apropos since it jumps to mind immediately. But after that, the section quickly degrades into anarchy. The bit about perl hardly falls into modern usage unless perl has suddenly befallen to the general masses. Would you expect a discussion of perl's syntax in an encyclopedia article on a typographic mark? </p><p>If perl wasn't bad enough, we descend into IRC? Even worse, it covers ridiculous over-the-top politically correct linguistically-objectionable BS about gender neutral pronouns and pikachu. </p><p>My point is that none of that stuff belong in "Modern Uses" section where mainstream usage belongs. Other crap should be under "Technical and otherwise obscure usage" section. (my personal vote is to get rid of all of it outright.) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Guys,_check_this_URL_out-" data-mw-thread-id="h-Guys,_check_this_URL_out--2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z"><span id="Guys.2C_check_this_URL_out-"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Guys,_check_this_URL_out--2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z"></span>Guys, check this URL out-<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Guys,_check_this_URL_out--2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Guys, check this URL out-"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3148"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MondoManDevout-2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z-Guys,_check_this_URL_out-"></span>http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3148</a> Good stuff, credible source. Look it over and amend the the designated article as is appropriate. Sorry, I'm too lazy to do it myself. . .isn't it enough I fished up a good source on a subject with notoriously hazy reference material? Armando Vega a.k.a. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MondoManDevout&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MondoManDevout (page does not exist)">MondoManDevout</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-MondoManDevout-2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z-Guys,_check_this_URL_out-" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MondoManDevout-2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z-Guys,_check_this_URL_out-"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MondoManDevout-2006-06-10T00:53:00.000Z-Guys,_check_this_URL_out-"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Malagasy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Malagasy-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Malagasy-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Malagasy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Malagasy-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Malagasy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z-Malagasy"></span>Please, someone clarify, what does the Malagasy word <i>amin'ny</i> mean! I'm dying of curiosity. -<a href="/wiki/User:Oghmoir" title="User:Oghmoir">Oghmoir</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z-Malagasy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z-Malagasy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z-Malagasy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Oghmoir" title="User:Oghmoir">Oghmoir</a>, According to Google Translate it is "in the",although I do not see how this is related in improving the article <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-Oghmoir-2006-06-18T18:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-UnsungHistory-20241119171900"></span>Please clarify <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-UnsungHistory-20241119171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-UnsungHistory-20241119171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119171900-UnsungHistory-20241119171900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"><span id=".22sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"></span>"sometimes mistakenly called an ampersand"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: "sometimes mistakenly called an ampersand"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?"></span>This seems a rather odd line to have at the beginning of the article. I've never heard anyone make this mistake in my life! Is it really so common? (and is this "verifiable"?) Encyclopedias should hardly be listing wrong information! :)--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feline1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feline1 (page does not exist)">feline1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z-"sometimes_mistakenly_called_an_ampersand"?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"></span>I came to this page specifically looking for this information as I've repeatedly heard people (always in and around Bedford, UK, in case that's relevant) calling the @ symbol 'ampersand' which as far as I knew refereed specifically to & (and). I was trying to find out if perhaps the two had a common origin or if there was any explanation for calling it an ampersand. I suspect, based on this page, it's people mishearing/mispronouncing ampersat or asperand. Which is extremely confusing, especially when they're telling you a computer password or something else where there's no context to work out which character they mean. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.54.181.194" title="Special:Contributions/86.54.181.194">86.54.181.194</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.54.181.194" title="User talk:86.54.181.194">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 25 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z-Feline1-2006-06-22T17:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172300-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Feline1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Feline1 (page does not exist)">Feline1</a>,maybe you could put the <a href="/wiki/Template:Dubious" title="Template:Dubious">Template:Dubious</a> <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UnsungHistory-20241119172300-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172300-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172300-86.54.181.194-2019-01-25T16:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z"></span>Mandarin Chinese in not spoken in Taiwan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Mandarin Chinese in not spoken in Taiwan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.36.97.200-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span>I'd prefer if someone discussed this issue before reverting my changes. Of course Taiwanese people do speak Mandarin Chinese, but the translation for the "at sign" in the article is in Taiwanese Chinese, a separate dialect of Chinese, and so it is misleading to put it under "Mandarin Chinese" as opposed to "Chinese" in general. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:82.36.97.200&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:82.36.97.200 (page does not exist)">82.36.97.200</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-82.36.97.200-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.36.97.200-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.36.97.200-2006-08-05T13:18:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tokek-2006-08-05T16:51:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span>I don't get it. You just immediately admitted that Mandarin Chinese is spoken in Taiwan. As stated in <a href="/wiki/Mandarin_(linguistics)" class="mw-redirect" title="Mandarin (linguistics)">Mandarin (linguistics)</a>: <i>"Standard Mandarin functions as...the official spoken language of the Republic of China (Taiwan)"</i>. Also, an overwhelmig majority of the Taiwanese population speak Mandarin natively or fluently. <i>"Xiao laoshu"</i> is clearly Mandarin Chinese pronounciation.—<a href="/wiki/User:Tokek" title="User:Tokek">Tokek</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Tokek-2006-08-05T16:51:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tokek-2006-08-05T16:51:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tokek-2006-08-05T16:51:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span>The headline was to put the point across forcefully, although indeed it isn't strictly correct as Mandarin is one of the dialects spoken in Taiwan. Nonetheless, I find it strange that there is a special way of saying "at sign" only in Taiwan that could be nonetheless be considered as part of the Mandarin dialect -- one can't have it both ways! Thus I maintain it would be clearer not to put the definitions under "Mandarin Chinese", but just "Chinese". --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:147.188.28.207&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:147.188.28.207 (page does not exist)">147.188.28.207</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z-Mandarin_Chinese_in_not_spoken_in_Taiwan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172700-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z"></span>IP user,you need a reliable source to support that <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UnsungHistory-20241119172700-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172700-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119172700-147.188.28.207-2006-08-07T13:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff."" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff.""><span id="In_Icelandic_it_is_called_.22the_earmuff..22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff.""></span>In Icelandic it is called "the earmuff."<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_Icelandic_it_is_called_"the_earmuff.""></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: In Icelandic it is called "the earmuff.""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>What is the Icelandic word for "the earmuff"? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Animation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Animation"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Animation"></span>Animation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Animation"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Animation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I'm sorry to complain, but trying to read the article with constant animation in my field of view is just impossible and infuriating. I'll replace it with a static image. <i>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mzajac" title="User:Mzajac">Michael</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac" title="User talk:Mzajac">Z.</a> <small>2006-09-15 19:22 Z</small></i> </p> <dl><dd>I've replaced it with a static image which is much less distracting. It also lets the reader compare the different stages of evolution. <i>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mzajac" title="User:Mzajac">Michael</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac" title="User talk:Mzajac">Z.</a> <small>2006-09-15 19:42 Z</small></i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Self-referential_use_in_this_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Self-referential_use_in_this_article"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Self-referential_use_in_this_article"></span>Self-referential use in this article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Self-referential_use_in_this_article"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Self-referential use in this article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>The <i>at sign</i>, <i>commercial at</i>, or just the <i>at</i> is used in email addresses, and sometimes in financial documents or commercial inventories. It does not belong in this article as an abbreviation for its own name. I'll do some clean-up. <i>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mzajac" title="User:Mzajac">Michael</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mzajac" title="User talk:Mzajac">Z.</a> <small>2006-09-15 20:12 Z</small></i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Each_Sign" data-mw-thread-id="h-Each_Sign-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Each_Sign-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z"></span>Each Sign<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Each_Sign-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Each Sign"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quuxplusone-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z-Each_Sign"></span>I am surprised the article fails to mention long before it was the "AT" sign it was called the "Each" sign. I worked in grocery stores and we always used it to mean each. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:63.40.152.181&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:63.40.152.181 (page does not exist)">63.40.152.181</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:63.40.152.181&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:63.40.152.181 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/63.40.152.181" title="Special:Contributions/63.40.152.181">contribs</a>).</small> </p> <dl><dd>Actually, the symbol means "at". "2 apples @ 30 cents" means "two apples <i>at</i> thirty cents [each]". If the symbol meant "each", it would be written as "2 apples [at] 30 cents @". Anyway, I find it hard to believe that you were working in grocery stores long before it was called the "at" sign. :D --<a href="/wiki/User:Quuxplusone" title="User:Quuxplusone">Quuxplusone</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Quuxplusone-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z-Each_Sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quuxplusone-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z-Each_Sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quuxplusone-2007-01-29T00:00:00.000Z-Each_Sign"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydogtrouble-2010-08-04T14:08:00.000Z-Each_Sign"></span>I finally found a picture of one of the old variants suggesting "each." at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://jumpersbloghouse.blogspot.com/2010/07/or-did-i-imagine-it.html">http://jumpersbloghouse.blogspot.com/2010/07/or-did-i-imagine-it.html</a> </p><p>Maybe an editor with graphic skilz could put it (or something like it) in the article? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Mydogtrouble" title="User:Mydogtrouble">Mydogtrouble</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydogtrouble" title="User talk:Mydogtrouble">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Mydogtrouble-2010-08-04T14:08:00.000Z-Each_Sign" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydogtrouble-2010-08-04T14:08:00.000Z-Each_Sign"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydogtrouble-2010-08-04T14:08:00.000Z-Each_Sign"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="contradiction" data-mw-thread-id="h-contradiction-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-contradiction-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z"></span>contradiction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-contradiction-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: contradiction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.92.170.227-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z-contradiction"></span>From TFA: </p> <dl><dd>The origin of @ is debated, but is most likely a cursive form of ā, or possibly à (the French word for 'at').</dd></dl> <p>and </p> <dl><dd>The at sign appears to have evolved from the Norman French "à" or ā, an abbreviation of an unknown word beginning with a.</dd></dl> <p>I'm inclined to remove both sentences because neither is sourced, and sourcing is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">omfg important, srsly</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:66.92.170.227&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:66.92.170.227 (page does not exist)">66.92.170.227</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-66.92.170.227-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z-contradiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.92.170.227-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z-contradiction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.92.170.227-2007-01-31T19:29:00.000Z-contradiction"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-103.204.209.86-2018-10-06T06:09:00.000Z-contradiction"></span>Tanjilur is helpful to us <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/103.204.209.86" title="Special:Contributions/103.204.209.86">103.204.209.86</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:103.204.209.86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:103.204.209.86 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-103.204.209.86-2018-10-06T06:09:00.000Z-contradiction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-103.204.209.86-2018-10-06T06:09:00.000Z-contradiction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-103.204.209.86-2018-10-06T06:09:00.000Z-contradiction"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Incorrect?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incorrect?-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z"><span id="Incorrect.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Incorrect?-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z"></span>Incorrect?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Incorrect?-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Incorrect?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-90.240.106.198-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z-Incorrect?"></span>Its most familiar modern use is in e-mail addresses (sent by SMTP), as in jdoe@example.com ("the user named ‘jdoe’ working at the computer named ‘example’ in the ‘com’ domain"). </p><p>this isn't meant to be the computer named 'example' is it? its the user at the example.com domain...<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:90.240.106.198&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:90.240.106.198 (page does not exist)">90.240.106.198</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-90.240.106.198-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z-Incorrect?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-90.240.106.198-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z-Incorrect?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-90.240.106.198-2007-03-01T23:57:00.000Z-Incorrect?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Commonly_referred_to?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commonly_referred_to?-Incorrect?-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z"><span id="Commonly_referred_to.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commonly_referred_to?-Incorrect?-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z"></span>Commonly referred to?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commonly_referred_to?-Incorrect?-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Commonly referred to?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z-Commonly_referred_to?"></span>the <i>ampersat</i>, the <i>commat</i>, the <i>obelix</i>. Never ever heard those. Feel free to add with cited source and appropriate conditioning - I didn't feel I could honestly even add an occasionally referred to clause to the sentence.Naim <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z-Commonly_referred_to?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z-Commonly_referred_to?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-04-26T15:26:00.000Z-Commonly_referred_to?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Commercial_sense" data-mw-thread-id="h-Commercial_sense-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commercial_sense-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z"></span>Commercial sense<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commercial_sense-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Commercial sense"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bfinn-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span>The article says: </p> <dl><dd>"2 <a href="/wiki/Widget" class="mw-disambig" title="Widget">widgets</a> à £5.50 = £11.00" is the sort of <a href="/wiki/Accountancy" class="mw-redirect" title="Accountancy">accountancy</a> shorthand notation you will see on <a href="/wiki/English_(people)" class="mw-redirect" title="English (people)">English</a> commercial <a href="/wiki/Voucher" title="Voucher">vouchers</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ledger" title="Ledger">ledgers</a> all the way into the 1990s, where the usage was superseded for accountants with its <a href="/wiki/Email" title="Email">email</a> usage.</dd></dl> <p>This sounds confused. @ was and still is (to some extent) used in this way; I'm not aware that à ever was in English. Also, the end of the sentence makes no sense if referring to à. <a href="/wiki/User:Bfinn" title="User:Bfinn">Ben Finn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Bfinn-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z-Commercial_sense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bfinn-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bfinn-2007-05-01T22:41:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span>=="Ampersat" & "asperand" as names for @==e-mio@anoussgr Σπτοs I consider “ampersat” to be a naturally spontaneous neologistic development from the long-established word for the so-called “AND symbol,” that is, the “ampersand” (the symbol “&”). The “&” is the most natural analog to the “@” functionally and the name “commercial at,” while proper, is not seen as conversationally satisfying by many users. I started using “ampersat” on my own and found people already familiar with the word “ampersand” understood it instantly (unless they first thought I’d misspoken). I continue to suggest the word “ampersat” for general acceptance as another name for the now ubiquitous “commercial at.” </p><p>What I am mystified by is the appearance of the word “asperand” for the commercial at. It strikes me as an accidental mispronunciation of “ampersand” by a person who believed that the “ampersand” was the @ and not the &. (You will see people call the @ an “ampersand” from time to time.) I suppose it could otherwise be another intentional play on the word “ampersand” in the same way “ampersat” is, although, I have to say, a eless obvious and more vnconfusing one. (“Ampersae ” or even “atpersand” I can get. “Asperand” I do not.) e-ma My impulse is to suppress the use of the word “asperand” as a name for @. Before I go that far, however, I hope that someone out there can confirm the origins of the word “asperand.” </p><p>(1) Could it be that “asperand” is an accepted yet obscure term for the @, amongst typesetters for example, that warrants more respect than I am inclined to give it? </p><p>For example you will find the claim that @ is “[o]fficially known as an ‘asperand,’” in at least one place on the web. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Ampersat">http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Ampersat</a> [I suppose this is a spurious claim, but I don’t know.] Tanjilur </p><p>(2) If “asperand” is a recent invention, does it seem to be a spurious word that is dying off (hopefully) quickly? I get the creepy feeling when I look on the web that the word might be getting a false veneer of acceptance due to the persistence of a few advocates (or an advocate) who have been promulgating it as “official,” whatever that means. </p><p>Some references: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.3350&setPaginate=No">http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.3350&setPaginate=No</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index.php?qid=20070326064858AAs71CL">http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index.php?qid=20070326064858AAs71CL</a> (Note an instance of the the claim that the @ is called the “ampersand” here.) <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=569092">http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=569092</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.takeourword.com/TOW202/page2.html">http://www.takeourword.com/TOW202/page2.html</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-1773,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-1773,00.html</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asperand">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asperand</a> </p><p><br/> P.S. - All that being said, I’m sure “asperand” will be a fine name for the “as” symbol, when that beast is finally invented. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Criticality" title="User:Criticality">Criticality</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z-Commercial_sense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z"></span>I have heard "atpersat" which I like better. Perhaps someone can confirm or deny this word? <a href="/wiki/User:Gregbard" title="User:Gregbard">Gregbard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z-Criticality-2007-05-17T08:35:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-11T09:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z"></span>There are a fair number of references to this as an unofficial word. It is a clear consensus that none of these words are as yet real. That does not stop them growing into usage (love it or hate it). There is a temptation to give something false accuracy by creating a complicated word for something quite simple: why do people reel at the thought of an at sign and like something in cod Latin.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Nice discussion here <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/english-idioms-sayings/27791-how-do-english-people-pronounce-letter.html">[1]</a>: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i>There was recent disussion in a newspaper about this (probably the Times). The accepted names are '"at" sign', or 'commercial "at"', but the suggestion that had the columnist's approval was - on the analogy of "ampersand" - "atpersand". I disagree, but I'm less influential than the columnist.</i></dd> <dd><i>The reason for my objection is that 'ampersand' (&) is a contraction of '"and" per se "and"', so that the analogy for "at" should be "atpersat".</i></dd> <dd><i>Note: this is a metalinguistic rant on my part; I'd advise people to use 'the "at" sign' - although I fear that "atpersand" may catch on. </i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>The thing to be careful of here is that Wikipedia does not become a vehicle to mislead people into the acceptability of otherwise, and any statement on the main page of these alternative names needs to be carefully qualified. I removed a lead in reference a little while back which casually said that these were names they were known by as it gave a false impression of validity. What might be appropriate is a paragraph noting the debate on <i>the sign that has no name</i>, but it should be careful not to be a vehicle for promotion. <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-11T09:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-11T09:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-11T09:57:00.000Z-Gregbard-2007-06-10T21:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-12T17:30:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span>FWIW <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_neologisms" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms">Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms</a> <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-12T17:30:00.000Z-Commercial_sense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-12T17:30:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-12T17:30:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lookstranger-2008-04-29T10:56:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span>This may be mere assumption, but I've been calling this sign 'cost-at' for years, because that's what it was used for: 12 items @ 6/- (each) = 72/- which used to appear on old type-written bills and invoices (72/- is shillings, or £3 12shillings in pre-decimalisation UK money, which is what I mean by old). Hence, it may be no more than a combination of C and a. This doesn't preclude it's evolving from a different, pre-existing, symbol, even one from a different language, but if so, then the resemblance to a combined C/a would have made it an obvious choice - one that printers could have reached for rather than having to invent something new. </p><p>As for the name, 'ampersand' refers to '&' because it translates roughly as "in place of 'and'", so is actually quite a straightforward term, albeit needed mostly by printers and typesetters rather than the general reader. This would make the term for '@', in the same way: 'ampersat', though it can also be seen that the name for something generally settles down through usage rather than definition, and may ultimately have more to do with having the right 'sound' than the right archaic meaning. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lookstranger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lookstranger (page does not exist)">Lookstranger</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lookstranger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lookstranger (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Lookstranger-2008-04-29T10:56:00.000Z-Commercial_sense" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lookstranger-2008-04-29T10:56:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lookstranger-2008-04-29T10:56:00.000Z-Commercial_sense"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"><span id="The_.22Asperand.22_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"></span>The "Asperand" Strikes Back . . . time for a English neologism section?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: The "Asperand" Strikes Back . . . time for a English neologism section?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?"></span>Recently the user Sarsnic has put “asperand,” in bold no less, back up as an accepted name for “@” with the comment “[t]his symbol was correctly indicated as the asperand and I am putting that back with a ref to back it up.” Amusingly, a citation is offered to support this use, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/commercial-at?cat=technology">http://www.answers.com/topic/commercial-at?cat=technology</a> which can hardly be a valid source since answers.com is simply mirroring the instant Wikipedia article (or earlier versions of same). [And it doesn't even have "Asperand" in its text, as my writing.] With all due respect, “asperand” is a word that has almost no existence outside of user editable internet sites. I suggested before that the word might literally be the result of a one-man campaign to create the false appearance of common acceptance. Sadly, Wikipedia is a fine vehicle for such deception. All words have a beginning and maybe “asperand” is the future, but no one should come away from this Wikipedia article in the belief that more than one person in the world uses “asperand” to mean @. For the moment I am removing the “asperand” edit. </p><p>However, in the interest of maintaining an editorial peace (cease-edit?) and, more importantly, both completeness & accuracy, I think it may (or may not) be time to include a brief section in this article about the English neologism quandary. There “ampersat” (which, as I have stated before, I like), “asperand” and other English neologisms can be accurately depicted for what they are. People will then have an objective reference for these neologisms should they encounter them. Any thoughts on any of this? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Criticality" title="User:Criticality">Criticality</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Criticality" title="User talk:Criticality">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z-The_"Asperand"_Strikes_Back_._._._time_for_a_English_neologism_section?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"></span>Yes.</b> I work at <a href="/wiki/EBSCO_Publishing" class="mw-redirect" title="EBSCO Publishing">EBSCO Publishing</a>, and in our internal style manual the @ is identified as an asperand--which right off the bat explodes the idea that there are only one or two people in the world using the term. However, it is clearly not <i>terribly</i> common, as "asperand" by itself returns fewer than 2,000 hits in a Google search; I have not taken the time to sift through them, but the first page of results does not turn up anything particularly authoritative.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Nonetheless, I <b>DEFINITELY</b> think the term should be put back in the article, and when I first came here (to clarify its use in the EBSCO manual!) I was baffled that it was absent. It needs to go back in, the only question is what source(s) to use for the citation. As I am at work right now, I don't have time to pursue this now--hope I can get back to it. <a href="/wiki/User:AdRock" title="User:AdRock">AdRock</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AdRock" title="User talk:AdRock">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z-Criticality-2008-07-12T20:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:46:00.000Z-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Someone at EBSCO wrote the manual for internal use and they may or may not have used Wikipedia, etc., as a source. I’m sure your company takes the composition of its manuals very seriously; however, I would so love to know if the author was relying on a non-internet source. My attitude would turn dramatically if there were a publically published reference to “asperand” (especially before, say 1995).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>But, importantly, I think we are in agreement that there is a way to handle this issue that is objective, respectful, informative and maybe even wiki-compliant! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Criticality" title="User:Criticality">Criticality</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Criticality" title="User talk:Criticality">talk</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Ampersat doesn't even appear in the Oxford English Dictionary (Unabridged) either online, or the massive multi-volume physical copy on campus. Can't really justify that it ever exists, since they have the most random words in there that have only been used once, or even "Meaning unknown". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/206.251.224.110" title="Special:Contributions/206.251.224.110">206.251.224.110</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:206.251.224.110&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:206.251.224.110 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:46:00.000Z-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:46:00.000Z-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:46:00.000Z-AdRock-2008-10-10T14:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Incorrect_Polish_word" data-mw-thread-id="h-Incorrect_Polish_word-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Incorrect_Polish_word-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z"></span>Incorrect Polish word<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Incorrect_Polish_word-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Incorrect Polish word"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.134.183.78-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z-Incorrect_Polish_word"></span>Hello. I come from Poland, I live here since 1986 and I have <b>never</b> heard the <i>atka</i> word which is mentioned as an official word for the At Sign. I mean never in radio, TV, any book, magazine or newspaper, noone of my friends and from my work have never said <i>atka</i> for At Sign. I work in IT, I don't think I'm wrong, am I? Anyone from Poland reading this have heard the word? Answer, I'm curious. </p> <dl><dd>I've never heard <i>atka</i> used anywhere too and I live in Poland too. I wonder who said it's "official". Maybe it's another "dead rule" used only in dictionaries or something like that. By the way if you're curious you can check Polish Wiki's At sign article and discussion page ( <a class="external free" href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%40">http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%40</a> ). 15:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC) capybara</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I have also never heard anyone use the word "bałwanek" for this sign... <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.134.183.78" title="Special:Contributions/213.134.183.78">213.134.183.78</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:213.134.183.78&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:213.134.183.78 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-213.134.183.78-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z-Incorrect_Polish_word" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.134.183.78-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z-Incorrect_Polish_word"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.134.183.78-2007-10-31T15:17:00.000Z-Incorrect_Polish_word"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_German_word_is_also_stupid" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_German_word_is_also_stupid-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_German_word_is_also_stupid-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z"></span>The German word is also stupid<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_German_word_is_also_stupid-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: The German word is also stupid"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.234.100.110-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z-The_German_word_is_also_stupid"></span>No one in Germany calls the @ sign a spider monkey or monkey's tail. Well, at least no one who is serious about computers. It's always only At or "At-Zeichen". Suggest removal of these funny names. Even if this New York Times article is correct and is based on some research, it was not properly cited. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.234.100.110" title="Special:Contributions/217.234.100.110">217.234.100.110</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.234.100.110&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.234.100.110 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-217.234.100.110-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z-The_German_word_is_also_stupid" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.234.100.110-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z-The_German_word_is_also_stupid"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.234.100.110-2010-06-08T19:58:00.000Z-The_German_word_is_also_stupid"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Computing_usage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Computing_usage-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Computing_usage-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z"></span>Computing usage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Computing_usage-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Computing usage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span>The list of usages isn't very useful or relevant for this article. I suggest the list is severely culled to a handful of representative examples. Managed to do this with <a href="/wiki/Semicolon" title="Semicolon">semicolon</a> which has stabilised with the more notable computer language examples (with the aid of a judiciously placed comment to ask for common sense to avoid over-expanding example lists. It is not entirely perfect but such an approach has stopped the endlessly increasing list of examples. The appropriate reference about @ in computer language is the language article itself if a notable element, or the manual itself - Wiki is not a computer language reference. I will be bold, depending on feedback. Comments? <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z-Computing_usage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z-Computing_usage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-19T13:04:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.150.206.225-2007-06-19T14:46:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span>I've seen the symbol used in blog comments lately-- in one case when the blog author responded to a comment "@ anonymous". Is this a new usage? And if so, where did it come from? Thanks.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:66.150.206.225&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:66.150.206.225 (page does not exist)">66.150.206.225</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-66.150.206.225-2007-06-19T14:46:00.000Z-Computing_usage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.150.206.225-2007-06-19T14:46:00.000Z-Computing_usage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.150.206.225-2007-06-19T14:46:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-29T14:23:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span>Original text here: </p><p>The @ is used in various <a href="/wiki/Programming_language" title="Programming language">programming languages</a> as a prefix, with various meanings: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Perl" title="Perl">Perl</a>: @ prefixes <a href="/wiki/Variable" class="mw-disambig" title="Variable">variables</a> which contain <a href="/wiki/Array" title="Array">arrays</a>, as opposed to <a href="/wiki/Scalar_(computing)" class="mw-redirect" title="Scalar (computing)">scalar</a> values (indicated with '<a href="/wiki/Dollar_sign" title="Dollar sign">$</a>') and <a href="/wiki/Hash_table" title="Hash table">hash tables</a> / <a href="/wiki/Associative_array" title="Associative array">associative arrays</a> ('<a href="/wiki/Percent" class="mw-redirect" title="Percent">%</a>').</li> <li><a href="/wiki/PHP" title="PHP">PHP</a>: just before a <a href="/wiki/Subroutine" class="mw-redirect" title="Subroutine">function</a> to make the <a href="/wiki/Interpreter_(computing)" title="Interpreter (computing)">interpreter</a> suppress errors that would be generated when using that function.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Python_(programming_language)" title="Python (programming language)">Python</a>: @ denotes a <a href="/wiki/Decorator_pattern" title="Decorator pattern">decorator</a> as described in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0318">PEP 318</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)" title="Ruby (programming language)">Ruby</a>: @ prefixes <a href="/wiki/Instance_variable" title="Instance variable">instance variables</a>, and @@ prefixes a <a href="/wiki/Class_variable" title="Class variable">class variable</a>.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Objective-C" title="Objective-C">Objective-C</a>: Denotes compiler directives and string constants.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/XPath" title="XPath">XPath</a>: @ prefixes <a href="/wiki/XML" title="XML">XML</a> <a href="/wiki/XML#Attributes" title="XML">Attribute</a> tests.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat" class="mw-redirect" title="Internet Relay Chat">IRC</a> protocol: @ is the symbol for a <a href="/wiki/IRC_channel_operator" class="mw-redirect" title="IRC channel operator">channel operator</a>. IRC also uses the user@host form (often preceded by nick!) for identifying and banning users. In this case the user@ part was originally an <a href="/wiki/Ident" class="mw-disambig" title="Ident">ident</a> response and the host part was a <a href="/wiki/Reverse_dns" class="mw-redirect" title="Reverse dns">reverse dns</a> name from the user's IP. However, most modern IRC networks provide some mechanism for users to hide their real reverse dns hostname and/or for admins/privileged users to pick one arbitrarily.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)" title="C Sharp (programming language)">C#</a>: @ is the <a href="/wiki/Literal_string" class="mw-redirect" title="Literal string">literal string</a> <a href="/wiki/Operator_(programming)" class="mw-redirect" title="Operator (programming)">operator</a> meaning that the string should be used "as is" and not be processed for escape sequences.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Java_(programming_language)" title="Java (programming language)">Java</a>: Used to denote <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/language/annotations.html">annotations</a> (sometimes called metadata) since version 5.0.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/CSS" title="CSS">CSS</a> The @ preceeds the "import" command.</li></ul> <p><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-29T14:23:00.000Z-Computing_usage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-29T14:23:00.000Z-Computing_usage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-06-29T14:23:00.000Z-Computing_usage"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_modern_@_use_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_modern_@_use_?-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"><span id="More_modern_.40_use_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_modern_@_use_?-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"></span>More modern @ use ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_modern_@_use_?-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: More modern @ use ?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"></span>I'm French and perhaps, stupid. I don't understand the use of "@" in the "Twitter" language when people write: 14:00 <b>@machin</b> blablabla What does mean @ ? Is the meaning explain in the article (I didn't find it) or not? </p><p>Thanks //moonrays </p> <dl><dd>The symbol is used to represent "at" (à) meaning "located at". I think the article does try and explain this but it assumes that "at" gives enough of a sense of location. It might be worth a little re-wording to allow that meaning to be a liottle stronger.<a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"></span>@Spenny: I think I understand what 'moonrays' means; since I came here looking for clarification about how it is becoming used in comment logs and discussion boards.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>It appears to be rapidly becoming a convention to use something of the form '@username: <message>' as the subject/opening line in posts addressing a previous comment or author. This is really recent but I am seeing it more and more these days, normally in comment sections for news sites. There seems to be a personal element to this too; it's often used for trolling or a rebuttal/dismissal to a troll.. The sense is 'This is aimed at them (@them)', it is a specific, directed, reply.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I got so curious about this that I actually came here looking to see if this is some common use that has passed me by, but it is not specifically discussed here either. As a very quick 'for instance' go here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/31/left_gene/comments/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/31/left_gene/comments/</a> and search for '@', it's being used twice to reply to an anonymous poster. <a href="/wiki/User:EasyTarget" title="User:EasyTarget">EasyTarget</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z-IanMSpencer-2007-07-23T15:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-03T23:07:00.000Z-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z"></span>Ah, I see, ambiguous example, hadn't come across that variation, it looked like an address, though it is obvious now it is pointed out (it still fits with the at theme). I guess that might almost be worthy of an entry aside from new usages aren't supposed to be included on the basis that Wikipedia might be encouraging them rather than reporting on them. <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-03T23:07:00.000Z-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-03T23:07:00.000Z-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-03T23:07:00.000Z-EasyTarget-2007-08-03T15:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CatherineMunro-2007-08-18T04:30:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"></span>It may be peculiar to the music fandom mailing lists I've been on, but since at least 1997 I've seen @ used as a marker for <a href="/wiki/Off_topic" title="Off topic">off topic</a> posts on lists and discussion boards, in the same way as "OT". In this context, the name for it was "bun" or "<a href="/wiki/Cinnabon" title="Cinnabon">cinnabon</a>". — <a href="/wiki/User:CatherineMunro" title="User:CatherineMunro">Catherine</a>\<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CatherineMunro" title="User talk:CatherineMunro">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-CatherineMunro-2007-08-18T04:30:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CatherineMunro-2007-08-18T04:30:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CatherineMunro-2007-08-18T04:30:00.000Z-More_modern_@_use_?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="No_news_is_good_news." data-mw-thread-id="h-No_news_is_good_news.-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_news_is_good_news.-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z"></span>No news is good news.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_news_is_good_news.-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: No news is good news."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."></span>I notice there has been a minor edit skirmish regarding the current 'news' that a chinese couple have tried to name their child '@'; This is potentially not current news at all, but a rehash of old news according to one source; see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/16/chinese_couple_give_birth_to_at_symbol/">here</a> and the 2004 story <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/12/no_at_for_chinese/">here</a>. </p> <dl><dd>Thanks for that. It wasn't a good edit and it wasn't really very encyclopedic, but it is nice to have an analysis to back that presumption up rather than just quoting Wiki policy. <a href="/wiki/User:IanMSpencer" title="User:IanMSpencer">Spenny</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IanMSpencer-2007-08-17T10:43:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NevilleDNZ-2011-02-28T02:54:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."></span>Mathematician and computer scientist <a href="/wiki/Aad_van_Wijngaarden" class="mw-redirect" title="Aad van Wijngaarden">Aad van Wijngaarden</a> (2 November 1916 – 7 February 1987) used a small <a href="/wiki/At_sign" title="At sign">at sign</a> as his personal mark. I'm not sure if this would be the first instance of someone calling themselves "@". <a href="/wiki/User:NevilleDNZ" title="User:NevilleDNZ">NevilleDNZ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NevilleDNZ" title="User talk:NevilleDNZ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-NevilleDNZ-2011-02-28T02:54:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NevilleDNZ-2011-02-28T02:54:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NevilleDNZ-2011-02-28T02:54:00.000Z-No_news_is_good_news."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"><span id="Daily_Telegraph_.2F_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"></span>Daily Telegraph / Reuters plagiarizing Wikipedia?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Daily Telegraph / Reuters plagiarizing Wikipedia?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?"></span>Is <a href="/wiki/Reuters" title="Reuters">Reuters</a> or <a href="/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph_(Australia)" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="The Daily Telegraph (Australia)">The Daily Telegraph (Australia)</a> plagiarizing Wikipedia? Look near the bottom of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22260769-5012895,00.html">this article</a>. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:UBeR" title="User:UBeR">UBeR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z-Daily_Telegraph_/_Reuters_plagiarizing_Wikipedia?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"></span>Well it's not really plagiarising if it's in the public domain but it doesn't say much for the quality of their newspapers if they just lift it off the Web. Many papers are doing that nowadays though - taking news stories from the Internet and changing the wording a little and printing it =( <a href="/wiki/User:Moniker42" title="User:Moniker42">Sean</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T00:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z"></span>The GFDL license requires attribution from the source you copy material from. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:UBeR" title="User:UBeR">UBeR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z-Moniker42-2007-08-18T04:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T14:30:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z"></span>And actually, it may have been someone from The Daily Telegraph, because the story on the Reuters' Web page (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSPEK36827920070816">http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSPEK36827920070816</a>) does not have the extra information. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:UBeR" title="User:UBeR">UBeR</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-UBeR-2007-08-18T14:30:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T14:30:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UBeR-2007-08-18T14:30:00.000Z-UBeR-2007-08-18T04:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Attersand?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Attersand?-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z"><span id="Attersand.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Attersand?-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z"></span>Attersand?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Attersand?-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Attersand?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z-Attersand?"></span>I just undid a change to the introduction changing "at sign" to "attersand", I really cannot find any other references giving "attersand" as a formal name for this, it does not appear in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/attersand">wikitionary</a> or dictionary.com, and a google search shows it most in use as a Scandanavian name. </p><p>In addition, the same section where the change was made ends with the quote "<i>no formal English term has been officially assigned to this character.</i>", kind of contradicting the edit made. Until this term is properly sourced we should avoid having it given as 'the name' for this symbol. </p><p>See <a href="#.22Ampersat.22_.26_.22asperand.22_as_names_for_.40">here</a> (earlier in this talk page) for some more discussion over names for this symbol.. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:EasyTarget" title="User:EasyTarget">EasyTarget</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-EasyTarget-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z-Attersand?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z-Attersand?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EasyTarget-2007-08-28T13:23:00.000Z-Attersand?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spanish/Portuguese" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spanish/Portuguese-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z"><span id="Spanish.2FPortuguese"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spanish/Portuguese-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z"></span>Spanish/Portuguese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spanish/Portuguese-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Spanish/Portuguese"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EasyTarget-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z-Spanish/Portuguese"></span>I just tried (probably badly) to reconcile the two Spanish and one Portuguese entries in the other languages section, I've essentially combined the Spanish stuff and put the Brazilian usage note into the Portuguese section. Since I know that they are related but distinctly different languages this seemed like a more sensible layout. <a href="/wiki/User:EasyTarget" title="User:EasyTarget">EasyTarget</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EasyTarget" title="User talk:EasyTarget">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-EasyTarget-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z-Spanish/Portuguese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EasyTarget-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z-Spanish/Portuguese"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EasyTarget-2007-12-31T12:38:00.000Z-Spanish/Portuguese"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_historical_reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_historical_reference-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_historical_reference-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z"></span>Possible historical reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_historical_reference-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Possible historical reference"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.84.244.128-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z-Possible_historical_reference"></span>Ok, I work at my city's archive, and am tasked with transcribing several old documents(ca. 1700) and found something which looks suspiciously much like the at sign. </p><p>I can try to get a picture of it online this weekend in case anyone would like to have a look at it. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.84.244.128" title="Special:Contributions/213.84.244.128">213.84.244.128</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:213.84.244.128" title="User talk:213.84.244.128">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-213.84.244.128-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z-Possible_historical_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.84.244.128-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z-Possible_historical_reference"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.84.244.128-2008-02-15T09:15:00.000Z-Possible_historical_reference"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Amphora" data-mw-thread-id="h-Amphora-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Amphora-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z"></span>Amphora<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Amphora-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Amphora"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bentheadvocate-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z-Amphora"></span>The most accurate term I have come across for this symbol is "Amphora", which literally means 'two handled'. There's no coincidence that @ has two circles. </p><p>But the most compelling reason is that the "at symbol" was originally used in mediterranean seafaring merchants' log books to represent an amphora, an ancient unit of measurement comprised of approximately 22.7 Liters or 6 Gallons, or what could be held in an Amphora, a clay vessel used to transport foodstuffs In ancient Greece and Rome. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2000/jul/31/internetnews.internationalnews">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2000/jul/31/internetnews.internationalnews</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Bentheadvocate" title="User:Bentheadvocate"><b><span style="color:#245A6E;">BE</span></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bentheadvocate" title="User talk:Bentheadvocate"><b><span style="color:#04228E;">TA</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Bentheadvocate-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z-Amphora" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bentheadvocate-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z-Amphora"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bentheadvocate-2008-05-02T03:04:00.000Z-Amphora"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ampersat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ampersat-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ampersat-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span>Ampersat<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ampersat-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Ampersat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span>I don't want to start an edit war, but I dislike the inclusion of ampersat as a name for @. Feeling it to be a very new word that hasn't obatined general acceptance yet. Obvious there are those that fell otherwise. How do we determine whether the article should mention ampersat or not? -- <a href="/wiki/User:SGBailey" title="User:SGBailey">SGBailey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SGBailey" title="User talk:SGBailey">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z-Ampersat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z-Ampersat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span>I worry that "general acceptance" is too conservative a test for an alternate name for a symbol of uncommon reference. A google for uncommon typographic terms, can yield a significantly greater number of hits (150,000 for "interrobang", while "ampersat" languishes at 3530). On the other hand, similar "alternate names" for punctuation tend to be included on wikipedia pages with far fewer hits. (Consider <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ampersand&oldid=254203215">epershand</a>, with its 1220 hits). I think it also cuts in ampersat's favor that it is etymologically accurate ("use in place of 'at'"), as comments above point out. It is currently out of the page, probably in accordance with WP:Avoid Neologisms mentioned above. I'm not going to stick it back in, but I think its inclusion is fair game for further discussion.--<a href="/wiki/User:User6985" title="User:User6985">Thomas B</a>♘<small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:User6985" title="User talk:User6985">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z-SGBailey-2008-05-19T10:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syberwolff-2009-01-08T14:07:00.000Z-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z"></span>I feel that the article name should be Ampersat, I came to the page to find out it's proper name and when I saw that the title of the article was "at sign" I was like... really? There's nothing better?<a href="/wiki/User:Syberwolff" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Syberwolff"><sup style="color:#339900;">SyBer</sup><sub style="color:#003399;">WoLff</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Syberwolff-2009-01-08T14:07:00.000Z-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syberwolff-2009-01-08T14:07:00.000Z-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syberwolff-2009-01-08T14:07:00.000Z-User6985-2008-12-07T01:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.90.254.84-2011-01-22T19:00:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span>In actual usage, this seems to be called the "at sign" almost everywhere I'm familiar with, though "at symbol" does not seem implausible. Is "at site" a variant in some location I don't frequent? Googling it comes up with pieces of phrases like "shoot at site", which is unhelpful. I'm tempted to think it was a bizarre mistake of some sort that nobody has bothered to fix. ("Ampersat" sounds like the name given it by an isolated community of specialists, and not an actual word in what might be considered a dialect of English. It's possible I'm wrong on that, though.) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.90.254.84" title="Special:Contributions/74.90.254.84">74.90.254.84</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.90.254.84&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:74.90.254.84 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-74.90.254.84-2011-01-22T19:00:00.000Z-Ampersat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.90.254.84-2011-01-22T19:00:00.000Z-Ampersat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.90.254.84-2011-01-22T19:00:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span>Could a section be included that says something like, "This symbol has been called the ampersat sign, but no source has been found."? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.191.107.72" title="Special:Contributions/71.191.107.72">71.191.107.72</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.191.107.72&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.191.107.72 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z-Ampersat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z-Ampersat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z-Ampersat"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eric-2016-02-15T15:23:00.000Z-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z"></span>As an American with lots of editing and computer experience, I would never call this symbol an "at sign", and don't know anyone who would. We call it the "at symbol". Is it commonly called a <i>sign</i> in other anglophone countries? Meaning no derision, I would only expect to hear "at sign" out of someone whose vocabulary doesn't yet include the word <i>symbol,</i> or from someone with little experience talking about keyboards and typography. I'm intrigued by <i>ampersat,</i> but have never encountered it before reading this page. <a href="/wiki/User:Eric" title="User:Eric">Eric</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eric" title="User talk:Eric"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Eric-2016-02-15T15:23:00.000Z-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eric-2016-02-15T15:23:00.000Z-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eric-2016-02-15T15:23:00.000Z-71.191.107.72-2011-07-22T23:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="jdoe@example.com" data-mw-thread-id="h-jdoe@example.com-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z"><span id="jdoe.40example.com"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-jdoe@example.com-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z"></span>jdoe@example.com<span data-mw-comment-end="h-jdoe@example.com-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: jdoe@example.com"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-206.111.201.34-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z-jdoe@example.com"></span>I second the earlier comment where this email address refers to the user 'jdoe' at the domain 'example.com' <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/206.111.201.34" title="Special:Contributions/206.111.201.34">206.111.201.34</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:206.111.201.34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:206.111.201.34 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-206.111.201.34-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z-jdoe@example.com" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-206.111.201.34-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z-jdoe@example.com"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-206.111.201.34-2008-06-19T17:57:00.000Z-jdoe@example.com"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="@_on_the_keyboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-@_on_the_keyboard-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"><span id=".40_on_the_keyboard"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-@_on_the_keyboard-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"></span>@ on the keyboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-@_on_the_keyboard-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: @ on the keyboard"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z-@_on_the_keyboard"></span>Where is the @ sign located? Did it change over time?--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.176.228.86" title="Special:Contributions/85.176.228.86">85.176.228.86</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:85.176.228.86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:85.176.228.86 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z-@_on_the_keyboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z-@_on_the_keyboard"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z-@_on_the_keyboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"></span>Over the 2 key on the EN_US keyboards. It's different on most of them. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Firefoxman" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Firefoxman">ff</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefoxman" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Firefoxman"><span style="color:darkgreen;">m</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z-85.176.228.86-2008-06-20T08:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z"></span>Actually, for this reason, my family has always just called it a "capital 2" (like A is a capital a, etc)-- but I certainly wouldn't add that, given the rest of the debate about names! :D <a href="/wiki/User:Cantras" title="User:Cantras">Cantras</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cantras" title="User talk:Cantras">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z-Firefoxman-2008-06-20T11:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:48:00.000Z-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z"></span>Shift-2 is a double-quote (") here. But, I've seen the at-sign as it's own key (Japanese keyb) or ALT-GR-Q (German) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/206.251.224.110" title="Special:Contributions/206.251.224.110">206.251.224.110</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:206.251.224.110&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:206.251.224.110 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:48:00.000Z-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:48:00.000Z-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-206.251.224.110-2009-10-06T17:48:00.000Z-Cantras-2008-09-10T17:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirect_to_@Home_Network" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirect_to_@Home_Network-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z"><span id="Redirect_to_.40Home_Network"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirect_to_@Home_Network-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z"></span>Redirect to @Home Network<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirect_to_@Home_Network-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Redirect to @Home Network"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z-Redirect_to_@Home_Network"></span>A disambiguation redirect template is used when an article title or redirection to an article is readily confused with multiple meanings. <a href="/wiki/@Home_Network" title="@Home Network">@Home Network</a> is pronounced "At Home Network", not simply "At", so it's unreasonable to think that a Wikipedia request for <a href="/wiki/@" class="mw-redirect" title="@">@</a> implies a desire to look for information about @Home. After all, it's not the only business that has used or currently uses an at sign in its name. <a href="/wiki/User:Todd_Vierling" title="User:Todd Vierling">Todd Vierling</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Todd_Vierling" title="User talk:Todd Vierling">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Todd_Vierling-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z-Redirect_to_@Home_Network" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z-Redirect_to_@Home_Network"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-07-09T05:00:00.000Z-Redirect_to_@Home_Network"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Added_multiple_issues_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Added_multiple_issues_template-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Added_multiple_issues_template-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z"></span>Added multiple issues template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Added_multiple_issues_template-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Added multiple issues template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z-Added_multiple_issues_template"></span>This article is really getting out of hand. Grammar problems all over the place; almost no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CS">references</a> at all; a huge <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NAD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NAD">definition list</a> of the mark in a whole bunch of languages (all of which individually need <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">published citeable sources</a>!); and a bunch of only loosely associated information about programming languages and other topics. </p><p>I didn't really see much of a choice but to tag the page for multiple reasons -- it needs cleanup in a bad way. So if you're intent on adding more to these lists of information, please make sure that any content you add has real citations! <a href="/wiki/User:Todd_Vierling" title="User:Todd Vierling">Todd Vierling</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Todd_Vierling" title="User talk:Todd Vierling">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Todd_Vierling-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z-Added_multiple_issues_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z-Added_multiple_issues_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Todd_Vierling-2008-08-07T04:56:00.000Z-Added_multiple_issues_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="footnote_citation_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-footnote_citation_3-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-footnote_citation_3-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z"></span>footnote citation 3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-footnote_citation_3-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: footnote citation 3"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_ubach-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z-footnote_citation_3"></span>This is my first contribution to wikipedia; help or guidance from others would be appreciated. </p><p>Concerning the citation for footnote 3: the source referenced is Ask Yahoo which I don't consider very reliable. Also, it states that the first email was sent in 1971. I have something from a book called 'Wired Style'. Hale, Constance, ed. (1996) Wired Style: Principles of English Usage in the Digital Age. Hardwired. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/1-888869-01-1" title="Special:BookSources/1-888869-01-1">1-888869-01-1</a>. However, the book is under copyright. On page 15 they discuss the at sign and state that Kate Hafner and Matthew Lyon wrote a book entitled 'Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet' from which they quote that the first email was sent in 1972. There is some very good information about the "at" sign in this reference but I don't know if it could be reproduced here legally. </p><p>At any rate, it seems the date in question could be changed to 1972. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Chris_ubach&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Chris ubach (page does not exist)">Chris ubach</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chris_ubach&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Chris ubach (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Chris_ubach-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z-footnote_citation_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_ubach-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z-footnote_citation_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_ubach-2008-10-11T08:05:00.000Z-footnote_citation_3"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pre-internet_iconic_use" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pre-internet_iconic_use-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pre-internet_iconic_use-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z"></span>Pre-internet iconic use<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pre-internet_iconic_use-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Pre-internet iconic use"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnonMoos-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z-Pre-internet_iconic_use"></span>In Alfred Bester's 1953 novel "<a href="/wiki/The_Demolished_Man" title="The Demolished Man">The Demolished Man</a>", there's a character named "@kins" (i.e. Atkins)... <a href="/wiki/User:AnonMoos" title="User:AnonMoos">AnonMoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnonMoos" title="User talk:AnonMoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-AnonMoos-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z-Pre-internet_iconic_use" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnonMoos-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z-Pre-internet_iconic_use"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnonMoos-2008-10-24T06:20:00.000Z-Pre-internet_iconic_use"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z"><span id="Substitution_of_.40_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Substitution of @ and . in e-mail addresses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Substitution of @ and . in e-mail addresses"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BiT-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"></span>Should this article cover the act of substituting the at sign and full stop with something like [at] and [dot] in e-mail addresses respectively, and discuss why it's done? Like when the address "joe13@example.com" is written as "joe13 [at] example [dot] com". --<a href="/wiki/User:BiT" title="User:BiT">BiT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BiT" title="User talk:BiT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-BiT-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BiT-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BiT-2009-01-26T18:26:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"></span>Some people use the nonfunctional <a href="/wiki/%EF%BC%A0" class="mw-redirect" title="＠">＠</a><br/></dd></dl> <p>compare ＠@ <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D">2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z-Substitution_of_@_and_._in_e-mail_addresses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-07-06T11:00:00.000Z-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span>Interesting but this and the 2009 observation would need to be more widely documented to be notable enough to be included, as they are a bit too detailed IMO.</dd> <dd>To most readers, the difference between <span class="nounderlines" style="border: 1px solid var(--border-color-muted,#ddd); color: var(--color-base); background-color: var( --background-color-neutral-subtle, #fdfdfd); padding: 1px 1px;">＠</span> and <span class="nounderlines" style="border: 1px solid var(--border-color-muted,#ddd); color: var(--color-base); background-color: var( --background-color-neutral-subtle, #fdfdfd); padding: 1px 1px;">@</span> is not at all obvious and superficially just looks like a typeface difference, so best use Unicode to explain: <ul><li><span class="nowrap"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced">U+FF20</span> </span><span style="font-size:125%;line-height:1em">＠</span> <span style="font-variant: small-caps; text-transform: lowercase;">FULLWIDTH COMMERCIAL AT</span> is your "non-functional ＠" (meaning not generally recognised as an email delimiter). It is a <a href="/wiki/CJK_character" class="mw-redirect" title="CJK character">Chinese/Japanese/Korean</a> character: I wouldn't like to bet that it will remain unrecognised forever as an email delimiter.</li> <li><span class="nowrap"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r886049734"><span class="monospaced">U+0040</span> </span><span style="font-size:125%;line-height:1em">@</span> <span style="font-variant: small-caps; text-transform: lowercase;">COMMERCIAL AT</span> is the original 'at sign'</li></ul></dd> <dd>Philosophically, I would personally deplore this practice as <a href="/wiki/Security_by_obscurity" class="mw-redirect" title="Security by obscurity">security by obscurity</a> and most likely to frustrate good-will users. See also <a href="/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack" title="IDN homograph attack">IDN homograph attack</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:John_Maynard_Friedman" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Maynard Friedman">John Maynard Friedman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Maynard_Friedman" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:John Maynard Friedman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-07-06T11:00:00.000Z-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-07-06T11:00:00.000Z-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-07-06T11:00:00.000Z-2A02:587:4109:B08E:A953:5DEC:76C0:67D-2021-07-06T10:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_different_meaning." data-mw-thread-id="h-A_different_meaning.-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_different_meaning.-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span>A different meaning.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_different_meaning.-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: A different meaning."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.43.120.130-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z-A_different_meaning."></span>I can't remember where I heard or read this, but I thought the original meaning of this symbol was "around" to shorten that word up. It makes sense, because it takes longer to write out this symbol, that to write the word "at". Also, this is an A with a circle around it..... a-round. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.43.120.130" title="Special:Contributions/74.43.120.130">74.43.120.130</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.43.120.130&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:74.43.120.130 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-74.43.120.130-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z-A_different_meaning." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.43.120.130-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z-A_different_meaning."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.43.120.130-2009-01-27T23:27:00.000Z-A_different_meaning."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Asperand_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Asperand_again-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Asperand_again-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z"></span>Asperand again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Asperand_again-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Asperand again"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tengilorg-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z-Asperand_again"></span>On January 4 <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/204.193.214.236" title="Special:Contributions/204.193.214.236">204.193.214.236</a> added "asperand" to the page. It was changed to "amperand" (sic) on January 9, then back to "asperand" on January 16 by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.211.33.26" title="Special:Contributions/88.211.33.26">88.211.33.26</a>, this time adding a reference (and making it bold). As the reference added by an unregitered user is rather weak and I find no consensus on the talk page, I am undoing the edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Tengilorg" title="User:Tengilorg">Tengilorg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tengilorg" title="User talk:Tengilorg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Tengilorg-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z-Asperand_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tengilorg-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z-Asperand_again"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tengilorg-2009-02-03T09:27:00.000Z-Asperand_again"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Soviet_computer_screen_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Soviet_computer_screen_image-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Soviet_computer_screen_image-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span>Soviet computer screen image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Soviet_computer_screen_image-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Soviet computer screen image"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z-Soviet_computer_screen_image"></span>The image of a Soviet computer screen is captioned as being from circa 1984 but the screen includes a WWW address -- surely that date is incorrect? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Z57N&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Z57N (page does not exist)">Z57N</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z57N" title="User talk:Z57N">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z-Soviet_computer_screen_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z-Soviet_computer_screen_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z-Soviet_computer_screen_image"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-128.111.43.202-2010-05-14T21:59:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span>If you check the image page, you can see that the image was taken in 2009 by "Sergei Frolov, Soviet Computers Museum". I assume the image is here to show that the machine (built in 1984) was capable of displaying the @ symbol. The address is just a print out of a BASIC program likely written recently. However, the image also serves as advertising for the museum (the address is real) and was added to the article by the site's owner Sergei Frolov, is this allowed? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/128.111.43.202" title="Special:Contributions/128.111.43.202">128.111.43.202</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:128.111.43.202&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:128.111.43.202 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-128.111.43.202-2010-05-14T21:59:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-128.111.43.202-2010-05-14T21:59:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-128.111.43.202-2010-05-14T21:59:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aviators99-2012-04-05T13:41:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span>I think this image should be removed. It adds virtually nothing, and is confusing by its c.1984, which must relate only to the hardware, which has nothing to do with the at sign. Ron Schnell <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Aviators99" title="User:Aviators99">Aviators99</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aviators99" title="User talk:Aviators99">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aviators99" title="Special:Contributions/Aviators99">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Aviators99-2012-04-05T13:41:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aviators99-2012-04-05T13:41:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aviators99-2012-04-05T13:41:00.000Z-Z57N-2010-04-13T14:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z"><span id="Modern_Usage_and_.22located_at.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z"></span>Modern Usage and "located at"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Modern Usage and "located at""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.26.119.245-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at""></span>Regarding the comment about use in e-mail addresses, I've never come across it being read "located at". In fact, it doesn't tell you anything about where a person, account or computer is located (because an e-mail address isn't an address at all, it is a name by communications definitions). I recommend that the comment about "located at" be removed and just leave the simpler fact that it is used in e-mail addresses, with a possible example of how one would read it, but not an explanation of what each part means - that would be a subject for an article on e-mail addresses. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.26.119.245" title="Special:Contributions/82.26.119.245">82.26.119.245</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:82.26.119.245&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:82.26.119.245 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-82.26.119.245-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.26.119.245-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.26.119.245-2010-04-26T19:54:00.000Z-Modern_Usage_and_"located_at""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Batch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Batch-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Batch-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z"></span>Batch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Batch-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Batch"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OBrasilo-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z-Batch"></span>In MS-DOS batch files, @ is used to prevent the command itself from being echoed during the batch file's execution. For example: </p> <dl><dd>PAUSE</dd></dl> <p>Will display: </p> <dl><dd>C:\>PAUSE</dd> <dd>Press any key to continue . . .</dd></dl> <p>But: </p> <dl><dd>@PAUSE</dd></dl> <p>Will display only: </p> <dl><dd>Press any key to continue . . .</dd></dl> <p>Of course, any commands sent after an ECHO OFF (or @ECHO OFF), will be treated as if they have an @ before them, even if they don't. </p><p>I think, since MS-DOS used to be the most popular Operating System of its day, it's notable enough for inclusion here, but I won't put it in, unless everyone here agrees. - <a href="/wiki/User:OBrasilo" title="User:OBrasilo">OBrasilo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OBrasilo" title="User talk:OBrasilo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-OBrasilo-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z-Batch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OBrasilo-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z-Batch"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OBrasilo-2010-07-21T11:10:00.000Z-Batch"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Obscure?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Obscure?-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z"><span id="Obscure.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Obscure?-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z"></span>Obscure?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Obscure?-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Obscure?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jock123-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span>The reference to the symbol as being largely obscure is pure point of view - how could it be measured? We had to work out bills of sale at primary school arithmetic lessons, so it was in common usage even by children in the early seventies, and was no more or less obscure than the plus or minus sign. Also, as the subject comes up later in the article and in these discussions, the symbol never had any sense of “each” then in what we did, as we were taught that you had to specify the quantity as an element of the price (so “6 widgets @ £5·00 per widget” or “6 widgets @ £5·00 each”, “3 gross tin tacks @ £5·00 the gross”, etc. - the latter obviously being different from, and certainly less ambiguous than “3 gross of tin tacks, £5·00 each”. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jock123&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jock123 (page does not exist)">Jock123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jock123" title="User talk:Jock123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Jock123-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z-Obscure?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jock123-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z-Obscure?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jock123-2010-08-19T20:36:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paul_J_Williams-2010-09-23T09:17:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span>I heartily agree - it was certainly a well-known symbol in the sixties ( and presumably long before that, long before it's internet use took over. In school maths books, on invoices from hardware suppliers, that sort of thing. OK, not as ubiquitous as now, but by no means "obscure".<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Paul_J_Williams&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Paul J Williams (page does not exist)">Paul J Williams</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paul_J_Williams" title="User talk:Paul J Williams">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Paul_J_Williams-2010-09-23T09:17:00.000Z-Obscure?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paul_J_Williams-2010-09-23T09:17:00.000Z-Obscure?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paul_J_Williams-2010-09-23T09:17:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghaff-2010-12-06T22:55:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span>Agree as well. After all, as the article itself states, the symbol has been on typewriters almost from the beginning. How obscure could it be? I suspect the perception comes about because, I am told, its use in meanings other than email (and programming operators of various kinds) has declined as those other uses have increased. <a href="/wiki/User:Ghaff" title="User:Ghaff">ghaff</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghaff" title="User talk:Ghaff">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Ghaff-2010-12-06T22:55:00.000Z-Obscure?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghaff-2010-12-06T22:55:00.000Z-Obscure?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghaff-2010-12-06T22:55:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span>Towards the origins of the '@' sign</b> </p><p><br/> For the origin of the sign, please, look for some mediaeval Byzantine (Middle Greek) and Middle Bulgarian (Cyrillic) documents. For example, this </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://eltimir.blog.bg/photos/68385/original/11/19-manasses-chronicle.jpg">http://eltimir.blog.bg/photos/68385/original/11/19-manasses-chronicle.jpg</a> </p><p>is from a 14th-century Bulgarian translation of a Byzantine chronicle. The '@' is used as the first letter in "amen". There are maybe even earlier Byzantine examples. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Glishev" title="User:Glishev">Glishev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glishev" title="User talk:Glishev">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Glishev" title="Special:Contributions/Glishev">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z-Obscure?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z-Obscure?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z-Obscure?"></span> </p> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.175.134.44-2011-02-11T16:41:00.000Z-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z"></span>REDIRECT <a href="/wiki/Habbo" title="Habbo">Habbo</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.175.134.44" title="Special:Contributions/65.175.134.44">65.175.134.44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.175.134.44" title="User talk:65.175.134.44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-65.175.134.44-2011-02-11T16:41:00.000Z-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.175.134.44-2011-02-11T16:41:00.000Z-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.175.134.44-2011-02-11T16:41:00.000Z-Glishev-2010-10-18T02:45:00.000Z"></span></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para." data-mw-thread-id="h-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para.-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"><span id="Asperand.2C_ampersat.2C_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para.-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"></span><b>Asperand</b>, <b>ampersat</b>, etc: moving them out of the lead para.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para.-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Asperand, ampersat, etc: moving them out of the lead para."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para."></span>As previous discussions have noted, the name <i>asperand</i> is quite dubious — at best it’s a minority usage, at worst it’s simply a typo which got propagated and given credence due to its appearance in this article. At least some users seem keen to see it included, however, so I’m not removing it, but moving it into the “names” section, in the body of the article. This way it’s still documented, but doesn’t appear in the lead of the article, from which it’s most likely to be propagated further. As a further advantage, this gives a place to list more names than would be appropriate in the lead sentence. </p><p>I’d be happy to see the debate over the currency of <i>asperand</i>, <i>ampersat</i> continue; if they have been used significantly within any community, and someone can find sources, then I would agree they should be here. However, in the meantime, it seems inappropriate to have them opening the article while they’re still highly disputed. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pit-trout&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pit-trout (page does not exist)">Pit-trout</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pit-trout" title="User talk:Pit-trout">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pit-trout" title="Special:Contributions/Pit-trout">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z-Asperand,_ampersat,_etc:_moving_them_out_of_the_lead_para."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IPAddressConflict-2011-08-27T06:21:00.000Z-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I think I need to comment on this. If "asperand" is new, it's been around since at least the 70's. I recall as a teen using it back in the 80's while typing on word processors, and I got the term from my mother, who probably heard it well before then. Obviously this is just "me source" and not anything as documented evidence, but this isn't something that someone just misspoke back in, say, 2007.<a href="/wiki/User:IPAddressConflict" title="User:IPAddressConflict">ip.address.conflict</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IPAddressConflict" title="User talk:IPAddressConflict">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-IPAddressConflict-2011-08-27T06:21:00.000Z-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IPAddressConflict-2011-08-27T06:21:00.000Z-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IPAddressConflict-2011-08-27T06:21:00.000Z-Pit-trout-2011-02-19T18:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="nethack" data-mw-thread-id="h-nethack-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-nethack-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z"></span>nethack<span data-mw-comment-end="h-nethack-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: nethack"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-87.185.32.138-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z-nethack"></span>The @ sign is the symbol for a "a human or elf" in the text based rogue like computer game nethack (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://alt.org/nethack/">http://alt.org/nethack/</a>). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/87.185.32.138" title="Special:Contributions/87.185.32.138">87.185.32.138</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.185.32.138&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:87.185.32.138 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-87.185.32.138-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z-nethack" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-87.185.32.138-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z-nethack"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-87.185.32.138-2011-02-21T13:46:00.000Z-nethack"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Apestail" data-mw-thread-id="h-Apestail-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Apestail-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Apestail<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Apestail-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Apestail"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PassaMethod-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z-Apestail"></span>Several european languages use the name "apestail" to describe this symbol (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.herodios.com/atsign.htm">here</a>). With this European notability, should an <b>apestail</b> addition be added to the intro as an alternative unambiguous term? <a href="/wiki/User:PassaMethod" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PassaMethod"><span style="color:grey;font-family:Tahoma;">Pass a Method</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:PassaMethod" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:PassaMethod"><span style="color:orange;font-family:papyrus;">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-PassaMethod-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z-Apestail" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PassaMethod-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z-Apestail"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PassaMethod-2011-08-20T18:25:00.000Z-Apestail"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2011-10-10T22:48:00.000Z-Move"></span>The following discussion is an archived discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>page not moved</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User:Anthony Appleyard">Anthony Appleyard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard" title="User talk:Anthony Appleyard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Anthony_Appleyard-2011-10-10T22:48:00.000Z-Move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2011-10-10T22:48:00.000Z-Move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthony_Appleyard-2011-10-10T22:48:00.000Z-Move"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/At_sign" title="At sign"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z-Move"></span>At sign</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Apetail&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Apetail (page does not exist)">Apetail</a> – </p> <ul><li>Most European languages use a similar phrase. "At sign" is not that well known. Alternative names, such as <b>monkeytail</b> could be voted on too. <a href="/wiki/User:PassaMethod" class="mw-redirect" title="User:PassaMethod"><span style="color:grey;font-family:Tahoma;">Pass a Method</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:PassaMethod" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:PassaMethod"><span style="color:orange;font-family:papyrus;">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z-Move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z-Move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z-Move"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Born2cycle-2011-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>. This is the <i>English</i> Wikipedia and there is no question that "@" is short for "at" in English, whether in the original context of bookkeeping (3 @ 5.00 means "3 at 5 dollars") or in the more recent context of email addresses (user@domain means "user at domain"). An internet essay about the difficulties some people who don't speak English may have with the symbol is no reason to change this title. --<a href="/wiki/User:Born2cycle" title="User:Born2cycle">Born2cycle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Born2cycle" title="User talk:Born2cycle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Born2cycle-2011-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Born2cycle-2011-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Born2cycle-2011-10-10T22:17:00.000Z-PassaMethod-2011-10-10T21:01:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z"><span id="Voluted_A_in_Czech.2FSlovak.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z"></span>Voluted A in Czech/Slovak?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Voluted A in Czech/Slovak?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-193.29.76.37-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?"></span>There is no indication it was called voluted A (zavinuté A) in Czech or Slovak at any time in the history. Except for Wikipedia and one blog stating that the author thinks so (but is not confident), there are no search hits for this term. On the other hand, even the Czech Ethymological Dictionary states that the at sign was named after the rollmops. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.29.76.37" title="Special:Contributions/193.29.76.37">193.29.76.37</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:193.29.76.37" title="User talk:193.29.76.37">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-193.29.76.37-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-193.29.76.37-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-193.29.76.37-2011-10-26T10:27:00.000Z-Voluted_A_in_Czech/Slovak?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Type_it_like_alt+" data-mw-thread-id="h-Type_it_like_alt+-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z"><span id="Type_it_like_alt.2B"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Type_it_like_alt+-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z"></span>Type it like alt+<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Type_it_like_alt+-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Type it like alt+"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.68.255.36-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"></span>Is there a way besides using the shift key? Can't seem to type it the regular way, but there are characters that have the alt+ code right? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.68.255.36" title="Special:Contributions/81.68.255.36">81.68.255.36</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:81.68.255.36" title="User talk:81.68.255.36">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-81.68.255.36-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.68.255.36-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.68.255.36-2012-01-25T20:17:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CAWylie-2012-03-21T00:47:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"></span>Try "alt+64". — <a href="/wiki/User:CAWylie" title="User:CAWylie">WylieCoyote</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CAWylie" title="User talk:CAWylie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-CAWylie-2012-03-21T00:47:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CAWylie-2012-03-21T00:47:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CAWylie-2012-03-21T00:47:00.000Z-Type_it_like_alt+"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="language_references_and_formatting" data-mw-thread-id="h-language_references_and_formatting-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-language_references_and_formatting-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z"></span>language references and formatting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-language_references_and_formatting-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: language references and formatting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ProfPolySci45-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z-language_references_and_formatting"></span>I feel it would possibly be beneficial if the languages were transformed into a table; does this fit with general concensus ?--<a href="/wiki/User:ProfPolySci45" title="User:ProfPolySci45">ProfPolySci45</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ProfPolySci45" title="User talk:ProfPolySci45">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-ProfPolySci45-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z-language_references_and_formatting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ProfPolySci45-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z-language_references_and_formatting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ProfPolySci45-2012-02-08T01:10:00.000Z-language_references_and_formatting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Commonly_known_as..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Commonly_known_as...-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Commonly_known_as...-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z"></span>Commonly known as...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Commonly_known_as...-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Commonly known as..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Adamcreamore-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z-Commonly_known_as..."></span>Commonly known as "Monkey Choad" This seems a bit off. Also, may be considered offensive. Is this people vandalising or what? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Adamcreamore" title="User:Adamcreamore">Adamcreamore</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adamcreamore" title="User talk:Adamcreamore">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Adamcreamore" title="Special:Contributions/Adamcreamore">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Adamcreamore-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z-Commonly_known_as..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Adamcreamore-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z-Commonly_known_as..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Adamcreamore-2012-03-02T12:46:00.000Z-Commonly_known_as..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z"><span id="Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z"></span>Is <i>modal logic</i> a programming language?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Is modal logic a programming language?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?"></span>If not, it should be moved to a different sub-section. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.169.229.30" title="Special:Contributions/188.169.229.30">188.169.229.30</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:188.169.229.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:188.169.229.30 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T12:42:00.000Z-Is_modal_logic_a_programming_language?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="German_and_Swiss_German" data-mw-thread-id="h-German_and_Swiss_German-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-German_and_Swiss_German-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z"></span>German and Swiss German<span data-mw-comment-end="h-German_and_Swiss_German-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: German and Swiss German"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z-German_and_Swiss_German"></span>In the section about the names in different languages German is mentioned without any reference to Swiss German. Then Swiss German is mentioned later on, where the term is different. I think this may be confusing, and that uniting them for the benefit of those readers who're interested in some variety of German but might not be aware that they should look for Swiss German separately is preferable. Also, it would be good to write what term they use in Austria. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.169.229.30" title="Special:Contributions/188.169.229.30">188.169.229.30</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:188.169.229.30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:188.169.229.30 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z-German_and_Swiss_German" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z-German_and_Swiss_German"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-188.169.229.30-2012-06-26T13:42:00.000Z-German_and_Swiss_German"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="!@" data-mw-thread-id="h-!@-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z"><span id=".21.40"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-!@-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=!@&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="!@ (page does not exist)">!@</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-!@-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: !@"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Vandenberg-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z-!@"></span>'!@' redirects here. It isnt mentioned in the article or on the talk page. Does anyone know why? <span style="font-variant:small-caps"><a href="/wiki/User:John_Vandenberg" title="User:John Vandenberg">John Vandenberg</a> <sup><b>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Vandenberg" title="User talk:John Vandenberg">chat</a>)</b></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-John_Vandenberg-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z-!@" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Vandenberg-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z-!@"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Vandenberg-2014-01-05T04:15:00.000Z-!@"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Historical_discrepancy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Historical_discrepancy-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Historical_discrepancy-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z"></span>Historical discrepancy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Historical_discrepancy-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Historical discrepancy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Faenglor-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"></span>The text currently states (in the historical use section) that the earliest fully-developed modern @ sign is found in a 1536 letter, but next to it is a image of a manuscript from ca. 1345 with the sign. It looks very close to the modern sign (much more so than the 1448 Aragonese @ mentioned). I think this should be looked into. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Faenglor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Faenglor (page does not exist)">Faenglor</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Faenglor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Faenglor (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Faenglor-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Faenglor-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Faenglor-2015-03-31T19:13:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.26.73.68-2015-04-30T18:23:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"></span>In Computers: ATA is <b>AT</b> Attachment. But what is <b>AT</b> in this sense??? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.26.73.68" title="Special:Contributions/94.26.73.68">94.26.73.68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.26.73.68" title="User talk:94.26.73.68">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-94.26.73.68-2015-04-30T18:23:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.26.73.68-2015-04-30T18:23:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.26.73.68-2015-04-30T18:23:00.000Z-Historical_discrepancy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-11T04:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-11T04:02:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-07-11T04:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-07-11T04:02:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/At_sign" title="At sign">At sign</a>. 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Is this right—is it part of official shorthand languages? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lynn_Ami&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lynn Ami (page does not exist)">Lynn Ami</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lynn_Ami" title="User talk:Lynn Ami">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Lynn_Ami-2019-06-28T15:51:00.000Z-Shorthand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lynn_Ami-2019-06-28T15:51:00.000Z-Shorthand"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lynn_Ami-2019-06-28T15:51:00.000Z-Shorthand"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:32:00.000Z-Shorthand"></span>Even right now people say things like: "Hey, meet me <b>@</b>7" Instead of writing "Hey, meet me <b>at</b> seven.", and I have also seen it in commertial flyers with similar use, so It's not a crazy hypothesis. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Teuf0rt" title="User:Teuf0rt">Teuf0rt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teuf0rt#top" title="User talk:Teuf0rt">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Teuf0rt" title="Special:Contributions/Teuf0rt">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:32:00.000Z-Shorthand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:32:00.000Z-Shorthand"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:32:00.000Z-Shorthand"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z"><span id="Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_.28.40.29_sign.2C_or_At_sign_.28.40.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z"></span>Maybe change the name to: At (@) sign, or At sign (@)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Maybe change the name to: At (@) sign, or At sign (@)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)"></span>That's it, that's the whole suggestion. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Teuf0rt" title="User:Teuf0rt">Teuf0rt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teuf0rt#top" title="User talk:Teuf0rt">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Teuf0rt" title="Special:Contributions/Teuf0rt">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Teuf0rt-2021-04-07T12:30:00.000Z-Maybe_change_the_name_to:_At_(@)_sign,_or_At_sign_(@)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z"><span id="How_.40_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z"></span>How @ is pronounced by younger generation in France<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: How @ is pronounced by younger generation in France"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/At_sign#Names_in_other_languages" title="At sign"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alexandre-Daubricourt-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France"></span>It is said that @ is most commonly pronounced "at" especially by younger generation in France</a>. Which is totally wrong to me. It is mostly the older generations (boomers, 60s) that tend to pronounce it "at", the youth tend to pronounce it "arobase". I cannot give any proof of that, though I am requesting other French speakers to consider rectifying this. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Alexandre-Daubricourt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alexandre-Daubricourt (page does not exist)">Alexandre-Daubricourt</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexandre-Daubricourt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alexandre-Daubricourt (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-Alexandre-Daubricourt-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alexandre-Daubricourt-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alexandre-Daubricourt-2021-09-28T17:28:00.000Z-How_@_is_pronounced_by_younger_generation_in_France"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Social_Media_Usage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Social_Media_Usage-20221102175200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Social_Media_Usage-20221102175200"></span>Social Media Usage<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Social_Media_Usage-20221102175200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Social Media Usage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D-20221102175200-Social_Media_Usage"></span>In my understanding, the @ sign is not part of the actual username, but a command to make the system tag or notify the person with the corresponding username. Am I incorrect on that? Anyway I added a "citation needed" tag rather than make the change I want since I don't have a source either. That sentence also goes on to say that this usage is commonly referred to as a "handle" but handle is just another word for username or nickname, predating social media by at least a couple of decades ;) . <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D">2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D-20221102175200-Social_Media_Usage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D-20221102175200-Social_Media_Usage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:8081:4600:AC47:7CF0:FD2C:8387:5D2D-20221102175200-Social_Media_Usage"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations"-20240820185800"><span id="Swift_-_.22.40.22_sign_means_.22attribute.22_not_.22annotations.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations"-20240820185800"></span>Swift - "@" sign means "attribute" not "annotations"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations"-20240820185800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:At_sign&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Swift - "@" sign means "attribute" not "annotations""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.62.124.196-20240820185800-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations""></span>I'm new enough to swift where I can't tell if you annotations evolved to attributes, but here's the current syntactical meaning of "@" in Swift... </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://docs.swift.org/swift-book/documentation/the-swift-programming-language/attributes/">https://docs.swift.org/swift-book/documentation/the-swift-programming-language/attributes/</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.62.124.196" title="Special:Contributions/174.62.124.196">174.62.124.196</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.62.124.196" title="User talk:174.62.124.196">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:At_sign#c-174.62.124.196-20240820185800-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.62.124.196-20240820185800-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.62.124.196-20240820185800-Swift_-_"@"_sign_means_"attribute"_not_"annotations""></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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