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However, both those properties themselves sit on items only, not on lexemes (thugh the ''value'' of {{P|11464}} is a lexeme), and all the entities given in the examples are items, so to me Wikibase lexeme seems like inappropriate territory for this qualifier. Or am I overlooking some aspect here? --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:05, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :While the example claims are about model item and model lexeme, the wording is purposefully open enough that the qualifier could also used in other contexts. When creating new Wikidata properties it's useful if they are not only solving the problems of the person who wanted to create the property. :At the moment I can't imagine how someone would use this qualifier in a problematic way on {{Q|51885771}} and thus I think it's good to keep that in. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 15:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC) ::As long as the constraint is deliberately chosen in anticipation of future use, I'm fine with that. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC) == Main value? == I could imagine {{P|11527}} being used also as a standalone statement on the subject item itself, such as {{statement|Q82955|P11527|P106}}, to serve as a hint as to what properties are likely to point at the subject item in a meaningful way. Multiple values should be possible, such as {{P|106}}, {{P|921}} and {{P|180}} for {{Q|40348}}, or {{P|607}}, {{P|547}} and {{P|2348}} for {{Q|362}} This makes it somewhat similar to {{P|1963}}, though the latter property should be limited to listing properties that are ''expected'' to be found on items that are {{P|31}} the subject, while ''applies to use with property'' would be more geared towards listing ''plausible'' or reasonably ''common'' properties. I'm not suggesting changing the property scope constraint until others have weighed in on the issue though. Thoughts on this? --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :I have to correct myself; {{P|1963}} is ''not'' as similar as I suggest above, but {{P|11527}} rather relates to the properties it lists like {{P|1963}} relates to {{P|31}} or {{P|106}} ''specifically'', and with an entirely different purpose. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:54, 24 January 2023 (UTC) ::"though the latter property should be limited to listing properties that are expected" if there are other limits that are not already obvious, reusing this property for that purpose is problematic because it's not clear where the users would learn about those limits. Intuitively, it feels to me like a bad idea to reuse this property for that purpose. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 15:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:ChristianKl|ChristianKl]]: The limitation you quoted is what already applies to {{P|1963}} and not something I intended for {{P|11527}}; I mentioned it for contrast only. :::Now, I get your point about not risking confusion or diverging interpretations of the same property due to different scopes, so I retract that idea. What I'm actually looking for is a way to provide additional guidance to the user about how to use {{P|5869}} in particular contexts beyond what a few Wikidata usage statements on the property itself can tell. :::However, {{P|1855}} should not be used on regular Wikibase items, only on properties (according to its constraints), and I'm not inclined to propose yet another property for this experimental purpose, which includes determining the adherence of an item to a set of model items in an automated or semi-automated fashion (and automation is the main reason I'm not satisfied with natural-language guidance given in the {{P|2559}} property). Maybe I can infer the information I want from the {{Q|21510865}} of any properties identified. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC) == Translations == For the Swedish label I picked the original short expression "applies to property" and translated that (though Google translates it back to "refers to property" which should mean the same thing); I expect Swedish editors to read the English documentation to fully understand the context. The aliases I added translate as follows: * "with respect to property" * "concerning property" * "property in focus" For the description I wasn't satisfied with the somewhat "dry" definition in English (which I think sounds awkward in Swedish), and instead I expressed it in a way more leaning towards the expected use of the qualifier with the model properties, something like "property that forms the basis of a selection, or the value of which is shared by multiple items or lexemes". Is this deviation from the English-language description okay, or does it have to be a more literal translation? --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC) :I don't think translations in other languages should add details like adding something about being used with model properties. Having translations out of sync is a recipe for people misunderstanding how a property is used. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 15:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC) ::Fair enough; I neutralized the description by removing the reference to shared values and selections. I hope it better corresponds to the English description now (it hardly says anything more than what is already in the English label). ::What I find awkward about many Swedish translations in Wikidata is the vocabulary used; it sounds almost machine-translated, giving me the wrong connotations. I try to avoid using that vocabulary myself without confusing the reader. --[[User:SM5POR|SM5POR]] ([[User talk:SM5POR|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:38, 26 January 2023 (UTC) </textarea><div class="templatesUsed"><div class="mw-templatesUsedExplanation"><p>Templates used on this page: </p></div><ul> <li><a href="/wiki/User:DeltaBot/fixClaims/jobs" title="User:DeltaBot/fixClaims/jobs">User:DeltaBot/fixClaims/jobs</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DeltaBot/fixClaims/jobs&action=edit" title="User:DeltaBot/fixClaims/jobs">view source</a>) </li><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Statistics/count/P11527distinct&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikidata:Statistics/count/P11527distinct (page does not exist)">Wikidata:Statistics/count/P11527distinct</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Statistics/count/P11527distinct&action=edit" class="new" title="Wikidata:Statistics/count/P11527distinct (page does not exist)">edit</a>) </li><li><a 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