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Please remember to: <ul><li>Sign posts using the four tildes (~~~~)</li> <li>Always be <a href="/wiki/Meta:Urbanity" class="mw-redirect" title="Meta:Urbanity">civil and polite</a> during discussions.</li> <li>Place new text under old text (<a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=new">start a new post</a>).</li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="text-align:center; margin:10px 0 20px"></div> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_name_of_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_name_of_page-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_name_of_page-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"></span>Change name of page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_name_of_page-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Change name of page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-08-13T20:09:00.000Z-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z-Change_name_of_page"></span>Hello friends, (<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Shouston_(WMF)" title="User:Shouston (WMF)">Shouston (WMF)</a>:</span> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a>:</span>) </p><p>Can we please change the name of this page to say "Grants metrics tool"? Because this is utterly confusing with: <a href="/wiki/Grants:Metrics" title="Grants:Metrics">Grants:Metrics</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Delphine_(WMF)" title="User:Delphine (WMF)">Delphine (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Delphine_(WMF)" title="User talk:Delphine (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z-Change_name_of_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z-Change_name_of_page"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z-Change_name_of_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-08-13T20:09:00.000Z-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"></span>Done! -- <a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User talk:NKohli (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-08-13T20:09:00.000Z-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-08-13T20:09:00.000Z-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-08-13T20:09:00.000Z-Delphine_(WMF)-2018-08-13T19:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_bug" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_bug-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_bug-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span>Possible bug<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_bug-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Possible bug"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-19T02:15:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z">6 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z-Possible_bug"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Rachmat04" title="User:Rachmat04">Rachmat04</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:RaymondSutanto" title="User:RaymondSutanto">RaymondSutanto</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beeyan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beeyan (page does not exist)">Beeyan</a>:</span> You all are organizers for <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/grantmetrics-test/app.php/programs/84">WikiLatih APG 2018</a> on Grant Metrics. Yesterday one of you (I think) tried to add a category on a program but it did not work and gave an error. Could you tell me which category you were trying to add? We are trying to reproduce the bug but no success so far. Thank you. :) -- <a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User talk:NKohli (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z-Possible_bug" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z-Possible_bug"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z-Possible_bug"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a>:</span> Thank you for your response. Yes, yesterday I was trying to add a participant at an event in WikiLatih APG 2018 (<a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/grantmetrics/programs/84/events/186">20180920 WikiLatih Sunda UPI</a>) but it didn't work. Can you fix the bug? Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:RaymondSutanto" title="User:RaymondSutanto">RaymondSutanto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaymondSutanto" title="User talk:RaymondSutanto">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 18 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-18T14:43:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RaymondSutanto" title="User:RaymondSutanto">RaymondSutanto</a>:</span> Can you tell me which participant it was? And did you also try entering a category? We will do our best to fix the bug. :) Thanks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User talk:NKohli (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-18T14:43:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 18 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-18T14:43:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NKohli_(WMF)-2018-10-18T14:43:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RaymondSutanto" title="User:RaymondSutanto">RaymondSutanto</a>:</span> This should be fixed now. Sorry for the disruption! <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-18T06:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-19T02:15:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NKohli_(WMF)" title="User:NKohli (WMF)">NKohli (WMF)</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a>:</span> No, I didn't try entering a category. For the participant, yeah, it's already fixed now. Thank you for your effort! <a href="/wiki/User:RaymondSutanto" title="User:RaymondSutanto">RaymondSutanto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RaymondSutanto" title="User talk:RaymondSutanto">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-19T02:15:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 19 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-19T02:15:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RaymondSutanto-2018-10-19T02:15:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2018-10-18T16:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"><span id="What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span>What happened to Wikimetrics data?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: What happened to Wikimetrics data?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Shouston_(WMF)-2019-04-18T17:30:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"></span>I just went to log into Wikimetrics to run a report on one of my cohorts, as I do every month or so, and it redirected me to this new tool. I logged in, and it seems to have deleted all my cohorts that I had saved in Wikimetrics. I do have them backed up on my computer, so they're not totally lost, but I'm surprised to discover this tool replaced Wikimetrics with no advance warning for Wikimetrics users. I uploaded a new cohort to Wikimetrics a couple of weeks ago and there was no banner on Wikimetrics saying it was going away. There was no message on my talk page letting me as an active user know it was going away. I'm just surprised and sad that you'd remove a tool, delete people's data, and not give any advance warning that it was happening. --<a href="/wiki/User:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">LiAnna (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Very Sorry that this caught you by surprise but sunseting of wikimetrics was announced last month via e-mail to all individual users (plus couple e-mail lists) and has been on the plans for over a quarter, please see: <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211835">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211835</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NRuiz_(WMF)" title="User:NRuiz (WMF)">NRuiz (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NRuiz_(WMF)" title="User talk:NRuiz (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Event metrics was developed to be a *better* wikimetrics which had not seen upgrades for quite a few years. Again, our apologies about this catching you by surprise. <dl><dd>Hmm, I definitely never got any email, and I've definitely been a user for many years (I even helped test it when Ryan Faulkner was developing it in 2013 and it was called User Metrics API!). Can you check to see if I was just overlooked, or if you have a host of users who will also be surprised when they try to use it next and discover it isn't alive anymore and all their data has been deleted? I'm wondering if there was some problem with your email notification. In the future, I'd encourage you to alert email lists where program leaders are (education, libraries, GLAM, program evaluation, etc. -- I'm subscribed to all of these but didn't see a message on any of them) if you're sunsetting a tech tool used primarily by program leaders. And please do put a banner up on the tool itself, to catch any users not subscribed to a list!</dd> <dd>In terms of it being "better": Wikimetrics enabled me to get a specific list of which users in a cohort had made how many edits each month for a many-month stretch in a csv; this was a really valuable tool for tracking activity for months and years after the end of a program. It looks like the new Event Metrics tool is designed more to give a count of people active between 0 and 30 days after the end; that's a lot less detailed information. It also allowed me to get a daily count of how much content was added by our participants, rather than just a sum total for the program. I used this data regularly to create projection worksheets for our programs, which enabled us to project whether we were on track to meet our goals or not based on past performance. I'm sad to see a tool removed entirely in favor of one that provides much less detailed information -- and indeed, nothing that the Dashboard doesn't already give me. I will acknowledge that Wikimetrics wasn't the most intuitive app, but if you knew how to use it, it was REALLY powerful and gave you amazing data. The idea that Event Metrics in its current form is "better" than Wikimetrics in terms of the data you get is ridiculous to any Wikimetrics power user like me. --<a href="/wiki/User:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">LiAnna (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-26T18:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z"></span>Please do file phabricator tickets for event metrics functionality that you feel is missing, this is an example of some functionality that was added as of recent to event-metrics: <a class="external free" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217058">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217058</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NRuiz_(WMF)" title="User:NRuiz (WMF)">NRuiz (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NRuiz_(WMF)" title="User talk:NRuiz (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T04:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">LiAnna (Wiki Ed)</a>, Event Metrics provides the following reports, in both csv and wikitext format (I'm linking to the tickets that define what metrics each report includes): <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T205561" class="extiw" title="phab:T205561">Event Summary</a>, which provides topline metrics for the whole event; <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206058" class="extiw" title="phab:T206058">Pages Created</a>, which lists all new pages, along with stats about each; <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210775" class="extiw" title="phab:T210775">Pages Improved</a>, a similar report but for all pages that were edited; and the All Edits report, which is a Recent-Changes-style, chronological record of all edits made during the event. For each report, impact metrics (like pageviews) continue indefinitely; contribution metrics are designed to follow users as long as the event is still active. I see you work with WikiEdu Foundation. It's true that Event Metrics isn't designed for an education setting, where it's important to follow students' progress as they learn. There is no per-participant breakdown of contributions or activity. But as you say, this is where the Dashboard excels. I hope that helps you understand this new tool. <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z-NRuiz_(WMF)-2019-03-27T22:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T17:47:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a>, yeah, it seems like Event Metrics gives pretty much the same stats as the Dashboard, just presented in a lighter weight way for users for whom the Dashboard is overly complex for what they're trying to get, metrics-wise. All I'm saying is I wish it had been communicated that this tool was *replacing* Wikimetrics. My understanding is it was a *supplemental* new tool to have a lighter-weight alternative for event organizers for whom the Dashboard and Wikimetrics were overly complicated. That's fine, but that's not my situation. Wikimetrics provided a lot of really advanced data-reporting features that the Dashboard doesn't, and it was an important supplementary tool to the Dashboard that I used regularly. I get that you all can't maintain everything, but I just wish it had been made clear from the beginning that you were sunsetting Wikimetrics with the launch of Event Metrics. I didn't understand that from your communications about Event Metrics, and while I read about it when you announced it, it seemed like a tool for people who the current Dashboard+Wikimetrics offering wasn't working, so it didn't seem applicable to me. If I'd understood it was killing Wikimetrics, I would've participated in the discussion to document all the ways I use Wikimetrics to get vital statistics for me: in particular, per-user per-day and per-month edit counts and content added in csv form, which is not possible with the Dashboard or Event Metrics. --<a href="/wiki/User:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">LiAnna (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T17:47:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T17:47:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LiAnna_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-03-27T17:47:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-03-27T17:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shouston_(WMF)-2019-04-18T17:30:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NRuiz_(WMF)" title="User:NRuiz (WMF)">NRuiz (WMF)</a>:</span> - Hi Nuria, quite a few people have asked me if it is still possible to get their data out of Wikimetrics? For example, old cohorts they had, so they can move them over to Event Metrics. Is that possible, or is their data lost? Some of these people are grantees who have been using Wikimetrics for a while (like our Affiliates), who had a lot of cohorts there. Thank you! ---- <a href="/wiki/User:Shouston_(WMF)" title="User:Shouston (WMF)">Shouston (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shouston_(WMF)" title="User talk:Shouston (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Shouston_(WMF)-2019-04-18T17:30:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shouston_(WMF)-2019-04-18T17:30:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shouston_(WMF)-2019-04-18T17:30:00.000Z-What_happened_to_Wikimetrics_data?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="organisers_at_the_event_level?" data-mw-thread-id="h-organisers_at_the_event_level?-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="organisers_at_the_event_level.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-organisers_at_the_event_level?-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>organisers at the event level?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-organisers_at_the_event_level?-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: organisers at the event level?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-02T01:59:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-organisers_at_the_event_level?"></span>I tried to additional organisers to my upcoming event as I will have some local Wikipedians assisting me and could not find a way to do this. They will be adding the participants into the Event Metrics so I have to have them as organisers (right?). The only way I could find was to add them as organisers was at program level which would then give the rights over all events within the program not just the one they are supporting. Now while I have no reason to think these folk would misuse this ability, it will soon lead to many organisers existing at the program level (which I intended for all for our chapter’s events and I feel that perhaps only chapter members should have the right to create new events within our chapter’s program). I think we may need to have organisers at both the program and the event level (perhaps they could have different role names to distinguish them, say organisers and helpers) where organisers have the right to create an event within a program and then they can add helpers who have rights only over the event. Although not the situation with my upcoming event, some of our chapter events occur with regular partner organisations (mostly libraries) and they will want metrics over their events and hence their own program. With the old dashboard I can add a program into more than one campaign, so I will need to be able to associate an event with more than one program, where we have a regular partner (not so important with the more one-off events) but they will still want visibility on the metrics to their event (these will be public like with dashboard, right?). Neither of these are immediate show-stoppers but I can see that they will become issues for me sooner or later. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-organisers_at_the_event_level?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-organisers_at_the_event_level?"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-organisers_at_the_event_level?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:00:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a>. Thanks for this helpful feedback. I've <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219823" class="extiw" title="phab:T219823">created a ticket for your ideas</a>. I'll talk about them with the team but the word I have so far is that this may be a pretty big change for Event Metrics. If that's the case, it's probably not something we'll get to in the near term. Until then, it sounds like you may have to be more strategic about how you set up Programs, so that you can give your partners and helpers access to the right events (and only those events). — <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:00:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:00:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:00:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-02T01:59:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>We have the ability in Dashboard to put a program (EM event) into multiple campaigns (EM program) so I guess I never considered this wouldn't be the model here in EM. It meant we could have a campaign like 1Lib1Ref2019 with all the individual libraries having programs with in, but at the same time, the libraries could also be under their own Library Campaign where they have other Wikipedia activity. We have partners that want to see the whole of their activity at a glance <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/state_library_of_queensland/overview">[1]</a>. But equally we have Wikimedia Australia which has an obligation to report to WMF for grant money so we need an easy way to show all of our events. Unlike some lucky chapters, we have no paid staff who can be asked to do the administrative work for reporting. We are all volunteers who already give up a lot of our time both on-wiki and doing outreach and I frankly don't want to increase my workload by now having to do manual aggregation across all events split across partner programs. EM is supposed to support WMF's demand for metrics and WMF wants us to form strong partnerships. Please make it possible for us to meet both expectations. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-02T01:59:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-02T01:59:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-02T01:59:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Migrating from dashboard to new eventmetrics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Migrating from dashboard to new eventmetrics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:36:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics"></span>I’ve got a couple of long-running ongoing programs on dashboard, plus obviously some historic ones. going forward, are we going to be able to migrate these over to event metrics? or will dashboard continue to be maintained? The problem is that regular partner organisations like to report (boast) about their impact metrics so I need those page views to keep growing for both their current and historic programs/events and so I don’t want to lose their past or currently ongoing activities’s metrics and ideally have all events past, current and future accessible to them through a single system not split across two systems. i’m less concerned about migrating old events that don’t involve partners but our partners are very important to our events due to our geography. Again this is not an immediate problem but will probably become so sooner or later. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z-Migrating_from_dashboard_to_new_eventmetrics"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:36:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Kerry Raymond</a>: see more details below, but the Dashboard is definitely still going to be maintained. An API ought to be possible, so that Dashboard users could automatically get Event Metrics stats as well, but <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192738">that feature</a> is in the "freezer" and isn't planned for implementation.--<a href="/wiki/User:Sage_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:Sage (Wiki Ed)">Sage (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sage_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:Sage (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:36:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:36:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:36:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-03-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"></span>Event Metrics versus Dashboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Event Metrics versus Dashboard"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lirazelf-2019-05-07T08:04:00.000Z-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard"></span>Would the Event Metrics replace entirely the Dashboard ? If that what is planned, I have a couple of essential elements on the dashboard that I would miss here, namely </p> <ul><li>the list of articles suggested and attribution of such suggestions to participants (or adoption by) : whilst it is not a MUST HAVE, it will be a serious loss not to have this feature anymore</li> <li>the possibility for ANY person to create an event and link it to an already existing overarching program. For example... how would we run big campaigns such as WikiGap ? the official organizers would become bottleneck as we would have to contact them to ask them to create the event for us and put us as event organizers.</li> <li>the possibility for ANY person to see what's going on within a campaign. I do not see any means planned to do that. In the current tool, I have no mean of knowing that there is a WikiGap program ongoing for example and no way to see how many events are registered within. And no way to download general stats from a campaign or an event I am not organizer of.</li></ul> <p>All those features are missing in the current Event Metrics. </p><p>So now... IF the Event Metrics tool is going to operate along with the dashboard, would that mean that we would have to manually duplicate things ? As in entering events, date, participants in both tools ? If that is the case, then we would probably need to have a system to replicate the events to save us time. </p><p>I reserve my other comments till I understand better what would happen to the dashboard when the Event Metrics tool is done. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthere" title="User talk:Anthere">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theredproject-2019-04-01T14:40:00.000Z-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"></span>Here are a few more current dashboard features that I think are also essential: <ul><li>Alerts on articles that are currently under some form of deletion review. See for example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/artfeminism_2019/alerts">[2]</a></li> <li>The ability to create accounts via this tool, and have them automatically be attached to said event/program. See this <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ArtAndFeminism-full-training.webm" class="extiw" title="commons:File:ArtAndFeminism-full-training.webm">video on commons</a> around/after 01:07:00 for How to create accounts with dashboard.</li> <li>The ability for an event to belong to two campaigns - it is unclear to me if this is possible with the current tool</li></ul></dd> <dd>As far as I can tell, these are missing from this tool. As I have previously stated on the talk page, and in interviews: as the group conducting the largest campaigns on Dashboard, Art+Feminism is unable to use this tool until these features are added, as they are core to our organizational process. --<a href="/wiki/User:Theredproject" title="User:Theredproject">Theredproject</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theredproject" title="User talk:Theredproject">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Theredproject-2019-04-01T14:40:00.000Z-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theredproject-2019-04-01T14:40:00.000Z-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theredproject-2019-04-01T14:40:00.000Z-Anthere-2019-04-01T10:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Just realized I never used the account creation tool... thanks for the link ! <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthere" title="User talk:Anthere">talk</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education" data-mw-thread-id="h-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"><span id="Programs_.26_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span>Programs & Events Dashboard will continue to be supported by Wiki Education<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education-Event_Metrics_versus_Dashboard-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Programs & Events Dashboard will continue to be supported by Wiki Education"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education"></span>Anthere</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org">Programs & Events Dashboard</a> has been developed and maintained by Wiki Education, and we plan to continue supporting it in the long term; it runs the same software as our own dashboard.wikiedu.org site, and we're committed to making the work we put into that as useful as we can for the rest of the global community as well. The last time I talked with <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni_(WMF)</a> about the relationship between the two projects, my impression was that Event Metrics will be focused on metrics and reporting rather than program organizing tools, while the Dashboard is significantly focused on the program organizing and monitoring side of things. Event Metrics has a more limited scope, and may be good option for people who only need to get the numbers without worrying about things like keeping track of which users are working on which articles, what the timeline of the event is, account creation, training modules, and other more specialized features of the Dashboard. (Joe, please jump in if that doesn't match your take.) </p><p>I've been advocating for an Event Metrics API, such that Event Metrics stats could automatically be generated for any Dashboard program (once we update the Dashboard to hook into this API). That way, no one would need to duplicate their work setting up a program on both tools or miss out on any additional metrics from Event Metrics if they are using the Dashboard. That didn't make the cut for this first version, but I hope it will be a priority if/when additional work is done to extend it. </p><p>For the future of the Dashboard, we're going to continue working on features that make it easier to organize, run, and track whatever types of programs people are running. As of 2019, work is accellerating: Wiki Education now has two staff primarily focused on building the Dashboard — myself and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wes_(Wiki_Ed)" class="extiw" title="w:User:Wes (Wiki Ed)">Wes Reid</a> — and we've got tentative plans around improvements specifically for global Wikipedia Education Program courses and for better stats support for non-Wikipedia wikis. We're also likely to add support for `references added` stats (including for Wikidata!) in the coming months. (Suggestions and questions always welcome at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard" title="Talk:Programs & Events Dashboard">Talk:Programs & Events Dashboard</a>.)--<a href="/wiki/User:Sage_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User:Sage (Wiki Ed)">Sage (Wiki Ed)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sage_(Wiki_Ed)" title="User talk:Sage (Wiki Ed)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z-Programs_&_Events_Dashboard_will_continue_to_be_supported_by_Wiki_Education"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lirazelf-2019-05-07T08:04:00.000Z-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span>Those are excellent news Sage. I also support an Event Metrics API now :) I will look again at the Event Metrics tool tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:Anthere" title="User:Anthere">Anthere</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anthere" title="User talk:Anthere">talk</a>) <dl><dd>A little late to the party on this, but yes, I'd welcome the integration of an API such that the useful Event Metrics stats could be auto generated for any Dashboard programme - at the moment I'm going to be looking at having to create the event in both EM & P&ED which.... isn't great. <a href="/wiki/User:Lirazelf" title="User:Lirazelf">Lirazelf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lirazelf" title="User talk:Lirazelf">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Lirazelf-2019-05-07T08:04:00.000Z-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lirazelf-2019-05-07T08:04:00.000Z-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lirazelf-2019-05-07T08:04:00.000Z-Sage_(Wiki_Ed)-2019-04-01T17:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Testing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Testing-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Testing-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"></span>Testing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Testing-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Testing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T23:07:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-Testing"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">Joe</a>, </p><p>I took it out for a spin, with the idea of seeing whether I could replicate the annual report for WikiProject Medicine, which is usually organized by <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">User:Doc James</a>, to see how things were going for the first quarter of 2019. </p><p>Bottom line: No, and that's not just because it still says "Please wait, currently crunching the numbers..." (for ~25 minutes so far). </p><p>The setup process isn't impossible, although there are a few quirks. Here are a few notes from that: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a>. Thanks for this detailed input. I will preface my point-by-point comments below with a general note about where we are in the process now. CommTech, as many people know, is tasked with addressing the top-10 wishes from each year’s Community Wishlist. That means the average CommTech project needs to be relatively short—averaging out to about a month. This project, a large one already for us in terms of effort and features, is a holdover from the last year's Wishlist, so the team will be moving on from it after April 15. We need to bring our wish-granting efforts to new groups of deserving users (in particular, we need to get started on this year’s list). So at this point, we are not entertaining new feature requests, but looking for things that are really broken. Having set that frame of reference, let me respond do your issues in turn. <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-Testing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-Testing"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-Testing"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z"></span>I want to be able to use "enwiki" (abbreviations that the config files use) instead of en.wikipedia. Also, I want to be able to search for names, like typing "English" (works in Compact Language Links). Alternatively, maybe we could use separate drop downs for project (Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, etc.) and language (English, German, etc.), so I can find my target wikis in a list. <ul><li>See my answer above; i.e., this would be nice but we're devoting our efforts at this point to fixing critical problems. —JM</li></ul></li> <li>Please default to UTC tiimezone (not browser time). That's the default for timestamps on the wikis. <ul><li>I’m not sure I agree with your premise. When I create an event, it’s quite likely that it will take place in my local area. So using my local timezone seems valid and convenient. To switch the timezone to UTC, users need only type a “u” into the field: the menu will scroll directly to the UTC option. —JM <ul><li>That depends upon whether your event is "two hours at this library" or "all month". <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-1"></span>On the next screen, I discovered that it doesn't work on talk page categories (to produce results for article edits), which means that I can't do what I want, which was to track anyone who changed any article with a given set of talk-page categories. <ul><li><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200373" class="extiw" title="phab:T200373">Talk-page Category filtering</a> was a feature we really wanted to add. But it turns out to be somewhat tricky with a potential for significant impact on performance, so we weren’t able to sort it out in time. You can filter using <i>hidden</i> categories. So depending on the policies of the wiki in question, that should provide a solution for some. — JM</li></ul></li></ul> <p>Well, that's okay; I'll fall back to the list of WPMED participants. However, that introduced two problems that <a href="/wiki/User:Harej" title="User:Harej">User:Harej</a> will want to know about: </p> <ul><li><ol><li>A bot removes people's names from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Members" class="extiw" title="w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Members">w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Members</a> if they haven't edited for >30 days, which means that I can't use that list to run a quarterly report.</li> <li>There's no way to extract just the usernames from this list, except by copying the whole thing and stripping out all the extraneous stuff. <ul><li>The program can do some stripping of extra characters, like underscores and extra spaces. It can even <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Les_sans_pagEs/ParticipantEs" class="extiw" title="fr:Projet:Les sans pagEs/ParticipantEs">handle a list like this</a> with no problem. But the list you link to is pretty heterogenous. —JM</li></ul></li></ol></li> <li>But now that I know that my list of usernames excludes people who edited in January or February, but not March, I don't know whether I can go back to the previous step and change my dates. <ul><li>Yes, you can always change your dates. —JM</li></ul></li> <li>The next step was to discover that three of the 94 usernames were invalid. This was the most confusing part of the process. The error message said "3 usernames are invalid. Please edit or remove and then re-submit to save. Check for incorrect spelling, capitalization and extra formatting." Here's what I learned: <ol><li>It thinks Doc_James is different from Doc James. This makes it hard to copy usernames from URLs.</li></ol> <ul><li>In my tests, the system accepts both “Doc James” and “Doc_James” equally. You can even put them both in and the system de-duplicates. —JM</li></ul> <ol><li>It can't handle renamed accounts or redirects to usernames. <ul><li>Correct. You have to enter a valid name. —JM</li></ul></li> <li>When you correct a name, it doesn't remove the red warning triangle. <ul><li>When you correct a name, the error messages will be cleared only when you Save. You do get some validation: when you start entering the name, the username menu fives feedback in the form of listeing valid names. —JM</li></ul></li> <li>I don't know what to do after correcting the three usernames. Eventually it turned out that I needed to click the button to save the names again. <ul><li>Yes, you need to Save for the system to clear the errors. I wish it were otherwise too. The big red banner does say what you need to do: maybe that message could be more clearly worded? —JM <ul><li>That might help, but the likelihood of looking back at the top of the page when my problem is in this one little tiny spot might be low. Perhaps a (i) button or some hovertext? <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-1"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-02T22:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-01T22:29:00.000Z-1"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ol></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z-Testing"></span>Now we enter purgatory: How long should I wait? I know it will eventually time out, but does that happen in five minutes or five hours? If I think my query might be large, could I have a button to just get whatever metrics are the easiest to calculate? Or maybe a button to submit my query as a low-priority report, and it can e-mail me (or something like that) when it's done? I don't know if I should be leaving the tab open longer, or if it timed out 20 minutes ago and never told me. <ul><li>Thanks for <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219835" class="extiw" title="phab:T219835">filing a ticket about that delay</a>. We're evaluating the system's performance now, and encourage people to report issues of this type. It's very helpful. At a minimum, you should get clearer messaging. We will investigate. —JM</li></ul></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)">Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z-Testing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z-Testing"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z-Testing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"></span>Being able to track all medical editors as an "event" could be interesting. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 1 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z-Whatamidoing_(WMF)-2019-04-01T18:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z"></span>Hi<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"> Doc James</a>. Event Metrics may not have the power to track <i>all</i> medical editors. It would probably time out. You'd need to break them up somehow— by subject specialty, for example. That's what the Category filters are meant to do (<a href="/wiki/Event_Metrics#Filter_by_Categories" title="Event Metrics">help page</a>). You can't use talk page categories, unfortunately (a feature I'd really wanted to add), but you can use hidden categories. I'd like to see that experiment; let me know if you try. —<a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-01T21:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="User:Whatamidoing (WMF)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z"></span>User:Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> we have "Category:RTT" which is a hidden category of some 1200 of WPMEDs most read articles. It is the category that the Translation task force runs on. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T16:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:31:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"></span>Hi<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"> Doc James</a>. I created an event for your hidden RTT category. I went for broke and tracked the whole of 2018. I'm happy to report that setup took under a minute (it's just one category, after all) and processing took about 5 minutes. Below is a screenshot of the results. As you can see, those are popular articles indeed—viewed 1.4 million times a day and kept up to date by some 5,500 contributors! —<a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:31:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:31:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:31:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Measuring_RTT.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Contributions to the hidden category RTT in 2018. The articles in this category are viewed 1.4 million times a day." src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Measuring_RTT.png/600px-Measuring_RTT.png" decoding="async" width="600" height="440" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Measuring_RTT.png/900px-Measuring_RTT.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Measuring_RTT.png/1200px-Measuring_RTT.png 2x" data-file-width="1217" data-file-height="892"/></a><figcaption>Contributions to the hidden category RTT in 2018. The articles in this category are viewed 1.4 million times a day. </figcaption></figure></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both"></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Wonderful thanks <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">User:JMatazzoni (WMF)</a>. Will look at this more soon. Yes they get just over half a billion pageviews a year :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T18:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z"></span>My pleasure <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"> Doc James</a>. I made you an "organizer" in the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/76/events/370">RTT event mentioned above</a>, so you can have a look and maybe download a report. I hope you get a chance to give it a try. <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z-Doc_James-2019-04-02T21:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T23:07:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z"></span>The tool gives the 5,500 participants. Is it possible to get a list ranked by number of edits? Can we break bytes changed into "added" and "removed"? And what proportion are reverts? Were the size of the edit just before or after is the exact opposite? <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><span style="color:#0000f1"><b>Doc James</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T23:07:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T23:07:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doc_James-2019-04-02T23:07:00.000Z-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-02T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Total pageviews vs daily averages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Total pageviews vs daily averages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-10T07:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages"></span>I think partner orgs would much rather see total pageviews than daily averages. They like the big numbers you get from total pageviews and frankly it’s the gift that keeps on giving as it increases as each day passes. For what purpose does anyone want average daily ones? You can’t use them to compare between events because different articles have naturally different popularity and hence page views. And if WMF did anything to signal that they were rewarding high daily averages, the obvious way to game the system would be to work on very popular articles at events, which would be the worst place to start beginners. A sensible beginner strategy is to stay in the quieter backwaters. Given the wildly varying nature of events, I doubt they are comparable by any metric. Even in Evnts I run I would expect different outcomes with different groups. Bring back total page views! <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z-Total_pageviews_vs_daily_averages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-05T21:28:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a>. Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad you brought this up. I get it that big pageview stats can be very encouraging for participants, partners and sponsors. But where counting pageviews accumulated since article creation is the obvious way to go for Pages Created, the case is different for Uploaded Files and Pages Improved. Counting pageviews since creation of articles that event participants didn't create would not be meaningful, so we had to find an alternative. The two cases differ somewhat, however, so let me take them separately.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>For Uploaded Files, the goal was to give a count for all the articles on all wikis on which Uploaded Files have been placed. There's a log of all the articles where a file is placed, so we're good there. But unfortunately the wikis don't log the <i>dates</i> on which the files landed on the various articles. So there's no easy way to count the actual pageviews to the files. That's why we came up with the idea of average daily views. It's an average of the most recent 31 days, so though it doesn't tell you the cumulative total, it gives a good picture of the current <i>rate</i> of accumulation—which a person can certainly project forward in a rough way.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>For Pages Improved, it should theoretically be possible to count forward from the first edit to a given page of the event to get a cumulative total of all the times that page was viewed after it was worked on during the event. But doing so is a somewhat intensive operation, and the team has been worried about performance of the system in general. Event Metrics is doing a lot already, and a lot of things that are new, and there have been reports (e.g., <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219449" class="extiw" title="phab:T219449">this ticket</a> or <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219835" class="extiw" title="phab:T219835">this one</a>) of it struggling with larger events. So we have to work those out before we can think about adding to the load. In the meanwhile, I hope the pageview average figures will prove useful. —<a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-05T21:28:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-05T21:28:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-05T21:28:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span>I have previously pointed out that we can store past totals and just add to them. We don’t have to recompute the lot every time. It’s a performance problem that can be solved. Events are all about participants, partners and sponsors, who else are we trying to keep engaged and happy? If the metrics are not for them, who else is wanting them and for what purpose? <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z"></span>The presumption here seems to be that events generally create new articles. This may be true of edit-a-thons but not of events like 1Lib1Ref. Even with edit-a-thons, because of the restrictions on new users creating new articles, I sometimes create the stubs and let the participants expand them. As I am not included in the participant list, these articles won't be tracked. I usually do not include myself in event participant lists because if I did, they would pick up all my normal editing during the event window, which would over-inflate the metrics. One of the things we try to avoid with new users is getting them to start new articles (because it often ends badly and erodes their confidence) so with new users it is preferable to have them expand existing articles not creating new ones but we need exactly the same metrics. I appeciate the issue with photos is different, but even so <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/baglama2/">BaGKAM2</a> seems to be able to do it. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-06T06:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T00:02:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a>. It's clear to me that event participants generally do a lot more page "improving" than "creating." And rightly so, for the reasons you cite. The issue is how to get a meaningful metric about pages that were improved but not created during the event. I think "Average daily views to pages improved" is useful and provides insight. It would be nice to be able add a cumulative metric as well, to track each page improved from the first edit to it of the event. And that should be possible theoretically. But right now we can't do anything to increase system load since we're still seeing performance issues on larger events (we are working to optimize this). Such a metric should be possible in future, though we probably wont' have the bandwidth to add it as part of this project, since we need to be moving on to start granting 2019 wishes very soon. Still, the team has discussed it, and I will write up a ticket to make sure we capture the idea. — <a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T00:02:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T00:02:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T00:02:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T00:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Then, could we just multiply the "Average daily views to pages improved" by the number of days since the event started and use that as a "estimage total for improved pages"? Combine it with the total views for pages created and we have the "big number we really like to see". A bit rough and ready but it's fast to perform. It does have the risk that if the average daily views drop, then the overall total will drop but the number of months would be increasing, so you'd hope it would keep the total going up overall (although it's possible it would fall). <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T16:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a>. If a rough-and-ready metric would suit, then the one that makes sense to me is something I might call "Views to pages improved (since the event)". (I'll keep working on that name.) We could simply count forward from the start of the event. That way we wouldn't have to first determine the date and time of the first edit for each page and count each page differently. Would that work for you? Also, do you need this metric for each article in the Pages Improved report, or could we start by just adding it to the Event Summary report for a grand total? —<a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T16:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-09T16:48:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T02:06:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-10T07:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-10T07:06:00.000Z-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-05T06:37:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: The mystery of the missing participant and their missing edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T01:24:00.000Z-The_mystery_of_the_missing_participant_and_their_missing_edits">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T01:24:00.000Z-The_mystery_of_the_missing_participant_and_their_missing_edits"></span>Having wanted to send out some thank you messages to the participants, I went to grab the list of user names from Event Metrics and discovered that, while I could add in a list of Participants, I couldn't get it back out again as the users are listed individually and no attempt to copy seemed to be able to span the list as displayed on my screen. So I thought, OK, I'll get the CSV and extract it from there (as in strip it down to the Participants column and then remove the duplicates). But no, that doesn't work either. It returns 22 participants and not 23 as claimed on main Event Metrics screen. Eventually, after poking around comparing the CSV edits against User contributions, I realised that the CSV isn't including all edits but only mainspace edits on WP and File space edits on Commons and that's why one user didn't appear as it seems they never made a main space edit (a fact it would have been useful for me to know at the event!). I understand (and prefer) that the displayed metrics relate to only specified name spaces, but the CSV of edits does need to include everything for the benefit of the event organiser. I shouldn't have to go to that much messing around to find the missing participant. As a corollory to this, I am wondering if we have another problem. New articles by new users are going to be in Draft. If the event organisers wait for Articles for Creation reviewers to accept the articles (a process that can take weeks), then am I right in thinking that no metrics will appear for those articles until they are accepted? As I am an AfC reviewer, I accepted all of the articles at the end of the event so they were in main space, so there was nothing left in Draft, so I cannot easily test myself what happens if articles are left in Draft. But again, forgetting about the metrics, as an event organiser, I do need to know if there are articles sitting either in Draft or the User sandbox (or any other random place that new users may write things -- and you do occasionally get some weird places). The organiser can't easily deal with any of any of these scenarios if the CSV omits edits to other namespaces. It would be much better to include all edits but add a namespace column so it is easy to filter out the ones you aren't interested in for whatever purpose (which would include the calculations of the public metrics). <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T01:24:00.000Z-The_mystery_of_the_missing_participant_and_their_missing_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 7 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T01:24:00.000Z-The_mystery_of_the_missing_participant_and_their_missing_edits"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-07T01:24:00.000Z-The_mystery_of_the_missing_participant_and_their_missing_edits"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="comparing" data-mw-thread-id="h-comparing-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-comparing-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span>comparing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-comparing-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: comparing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-08T21:41:00.000Z-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z-comparing"></span>first real spin in the tool. I'm comparing my <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/Fisher_Fine_Arts_Library_UPenn/BLT_Fisher_Art_Library_(April_5_2019)/home">Outreach Dashboard</a> to my <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/165/events/387">Metrics totals</a> and they are definitely different. Also where do I add other language wikis? I tried to add sp.wikipedia to no avail. Just poking around for now. Thanks!<a href="/wiki/User:Heathart" title="User:Heathart">Heathart</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Heathart" title="User talk:Heathart">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z-comparing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:25, 8 April 2019 (UTC)</a> cc:<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Raggachampiongirl" title="User:Raggachampiongirl">Raggachampiongirl</a>:</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z-comparing"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z-comparing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-08T21:41:00.000Z-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Heathart" title="User:Heathart">Heathart</a> and <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Raggachampiongirl" title="User:Raggachampiongirl">Raggachampiongirl</a>:</span> To add another wiki, click the Settings button and then click "+Add wiki." You have to know the <a href="/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias" title="List of Wikipedias">language abbreviations</a>, which is less than ideal, though auto-complete should help. (E.g., Spanish, if that's what you're looking for, is es.wikipedia rather than sp.wikipedia—because Español!)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>If the numbers are different from other programs, perhaps we made different assumptions in defining the metrics. E.g., a lot of metrics count main namespace changes only. Each number has a little "i" info icon next to it on the Summary page that you can hover over for an explanation. Or the Help pages have a whole page for <a href="/wiki/Event_Metrics/Definitions_of_metrics" title="Event Metrics/Definitions of metrics">Definitions of metrics</a>. I hope that helps. —<a href="/wiki/User:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User:JMatazzoni (WMF)">JMatazzoni (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMatazzoni_(WMF)" title="User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-08T21:41:00.000Z-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-08T21:41:00.000Z-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMatazzoni_(WMF)-2019-04-08T21:41:00.000Z-Heathart-2019-04-08T03:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drafts_at_the_end_of_events" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z"></span>Drafts at the end of events<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Drafts at the end of events"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events"></span>Further to my thinking about drafts at the end of events, maybe we need to show "short-term metrics" and "long-term metrics". Clearly in the long run, it's really only mainspace metrics that matter and their impact. But while the event is in progress (or in the AfC reviewing lag), we really need "short-term metrics" to motivate the troops/partner/host/sponsor and to let the organiser stay on top of a rapidly evolving situation. For example, at run-time, the organiser needs to know what articles are developing in Draft and User Space, and we probably need an easy way to provide a list of articles from an event that need AfC review. If event organisers are not AfC reviewers, sitting back and waiting for AfC to run its course both takes forever to happen and almost certainly involves an infinite cycle of rejection (for reasons that mystify many of us, the standard at AfC is far higher than the standard to survive AfD). Every event needs an AfC reviewer standing by (whether on the ground or shortly afterwards on-line) to consider acceptance of drafts to mainspace; letting AfC run its natural course is a disaster for an event. So therefore it might be useful if friendly AfC reviewers could be pointed at an event and easily get a list of what needs reviewing to try to get as many as possible into mainspace ASAP. Realistically most event participants do not continue to edit after the event. Most will not even be logged in so won't see any dialogue in relation to their AfC submission. Also many event participants will not even click the Submit for Review button, so that's another thing event organisers must do. Again, metrics could help if the status of drafts can be split into "not yet submitted for review" and "submitted for review". It would nice if events were all as simple as people like to imagine they are (just a bunch of folks doing some edits, creating some articles), but in fact, organising a good event is a complex matter of managing a truckload of risks, especially when new/occasional participants are involved. So anything event metrics can do to draw event organisers attention to "problems to be sorted out" is highly beneficial to the event's success. It highlights the difference between short-term input metrics needs (how is the event going) and long-term impact metrics (what was achieved). The purposes are very different; in the short-term the metrics need to expose problems while in the long-term metrics need to focus on success. <a href="/wiki/User:Kerry_Raymond" title="User:Kerry Raymond">Kerry Raymond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond" title="User talk:Kerry Raymond">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kerry_Raymond-2019-04-09T00:23:00.000Z-Drafts_at_the_end_of_events"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Things_failing_to_work?!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Things_failing_to_work?!-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z"><span id="Things_failing_to_work.3F.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Things_failing_to_work?!-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Things failing to work?!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Things_failing_to_work?!-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Things failing to work?!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MargaretRDonald-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z-Things_failing_to_work?!">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MargaretRDonald-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z-Things_failing_to_work?!"></span>I created <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/258/events/642">[3]</a> with 8 categories and 5 participants. The summaries, after crunching the numbers, appeared to specifically exclude the categories (and/or) to exclude the wiki (enwiki) of which they were part. I thought I would simply remove the categories (and wished to remove some participants at the same time), which gave me 2 participants and 0 categories. When crunched with the new settings, I learned that just one article had been created. Yet I know that within the time period I had created at least four articles.... Is it just unhappy with resetting the settings, because, certainly, at least some of the numbers are wrong. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:MargaretRDonald" title="User:MargaretRDonald">MargaretRDonald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MargaretRDonald" title="User talk:MargaretRDonald">talk</a>) 20:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC) I forgot to add. At no time has it given correct numbers for uploads to commons. <a href="/wiki/User:MargaretRDonald" title="User:MargaretRDonald">MargaretRDonald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MargaretRDonald" title="User talk:MargaretRDonald">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MargaretRDonald-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z-Things_failing_to_work?!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MargaretRDonald-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z-Things_failing_to_work?!"><span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MargaretRDonald-2019-07-27T20:41:00.000Z-Things_failing_to_work?!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stats_on_usage?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stats_on_usage?-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"><span id="Stats_on_usage.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stats_on_usage?-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Stats on usage?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stats_on_usage?-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Stats on usage?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-05T22:29:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z-Stats_on_usage?"></span>Is this tool functional? Are there any available usage reports, including information like </p> <ol><li>How many active users in a year</li> <li>How many programs</li> <li>Sum of all metrics from all programs</li> <li>Any analysis of trends?</li></ol> <p>I think that this software never got development to the point of functionality, and that the <a href="/wiki/Programs_and_Events_Dashboard" class="mw-redirect" title="Programs and Events Dashboard">Programs and Events Dashboard</a> has been since about 2013 the community platform of choice for this functionality. </p><p>Is there anyone here awake overseeing this tool who can say what data is available for and about it? <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e"><b> Blue Rasberry </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluerasberry" title="User talk:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z-Stats_on_usage?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z-Stats_on_usage?"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z-Stats_on_usage?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">Bluerasberry</a> Gosh sorry for the very delayed reply; I guess none of us were watching this page! The product manager who responded to inquiries here has long left the Foundation. Anyway, yes, Event Metrics is functional :) We can definitely get the numbers you're asking for with some effort. I can confidently say Programs and Events Dashboard is by orders of magnitude more popular than Event Metrics, if that's what you're getting at. Event Metrics still does have regular users, but not very many. <a href="/wiki/Community_Tech" title="Community Tech">Community Tech</a> hasn't put much time into this tool after the year we spent developing it, and are unlikely to invest more time unless we see more interest in it. If there are features you're looking for, please feel free to <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=event_metrics">create a task on Phabricator</a>. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 3 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2020-09-30T16:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a>:</span> Thanks for the reply, my motivation for asking was to determine whether anyone recommends this tool for use, if it is alive, and if has a community. If there is anyone around to describe its life then I would accept whatever report is routine but do not want to put anyone out of their way. I run lots of events and want to be aware of what tools to use. I am using the P&E Dashboard which is maintained, and where the community is easy to find. I would not even know how to explore this tool, but maybe it is not ready for mass use. If you have anything to share I would check it out; otherwise the tool can sleep if it needs to do so. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e"><b> Blue Rasberry </b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluerasberry" title="User talk:Bluerasberry"><span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T17:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-05T22:29:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">Bluerasberry</a> It certainly ready for mass use, and has been since we finished the project in 2019. We first presented it at the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin in 2018, I believe. The project began as a replacement for the old metrics.wikimedia.org that was maintained by the Analytics team. From our private usage statistics, I see we average around 5-10 visits a day, and have users from all around the world. It is a much more simple tool than the P&E Dashboard, and I suppose that's probably the selling point. If you don't need all the bells and whistles, Event Metrics might work for you. If you're happy with the Dashboard, then there's probably no reason to migrate. Documentation is at <a href="/wiki/Event_Metrics" title="Event Metrics">Event Metrics</a> if that helps. I'm not sure our user base is big enough to be called a "community", but that doesn't mean the tool isn't worth using :) We haven't invested more time into building new features, etc., but it is in fact maintained. We just spent a lot of time updating it to work on the <a href="https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/News/Wiki_Replicas_2020_Redesign" class="extiw" title="wikitech:News/Wiki Replicas 2020 Redesign">new database cluster</a>, for example. If there are any critical bugs we will fix them, too. Give it a try, if you want! If usage goes up, we may be able to devote time to new feature development. <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-05T22:29:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-05T22:29:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-05T22:29:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2021-04-04T14:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_multiple_participants" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_multiple_participants-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_multiple_participants-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"></span>Removing multiple participants<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_multiple_participants-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Removing multiple participants"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-04-03T22:20:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z-Removing_multiple_participants"></span>Is there any easy way to remove multiple participants at once? If one have more than a hundred participants and wants to delete the event or just reupload the list of the participants, it takes a lot of clicking. :-D I would suggest "Remove all participants" button (with "Are you sure?" pop up). Should I suggest it at Phabricator or is there other way? Nevertheless, thanks for useful tool. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User:Vojtěch Veselý">Vojtěch Veselý</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User talk:Vojtěch Veselý">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z-Removing_multiple_participants" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z-Removing_multiple_participants"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z-Removing_multiple_participants"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"></span>Sorry for the late reply. No one was apparently watching this page! A "Remove all participants" button is something we can look into but admittedly is very low priority for the team right now. A task on Phabricator is always better and guarantees it will be seen, but I'll leave that to you to create as I suspect by now you've surely moved on and found a workaround for your issue. Apologies again for the slow response! Best, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z-Vojtěch_Veselý-2020-11-10T04:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-04-03T22:20:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a>:</span> Thanks for your reply! So I create <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T279242">a task on Phabricator</a>. My workaround is to create new event instead of update the original. Not ideal but better than carpal tunnel syndrome. :-D --<a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User:Vojtěch Veselý">Vojtěch Veselý</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User talk:Vojtěch Veselý">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-04-03T22:20:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-04-03T22:20:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-04-03T22:20:00.000Z-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-2021-04-03T18:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Error_report" data-mw-thread-id="h-Error_report-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Error_report-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z"></span>Error report<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Error_report-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Error report"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z-Error_report">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z-Error_report"></span>I would like to report an error. When trying to calculate totals for <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/134/events/2283">this event</a>, "something goes (always) wrong". The only workaround is to change the settings: instead of "all Wikipedia + Commons + Wikidata" assign only "cs.wikipedia". But we would like the metrics from the other projects too. Any ideas? --<a href="/wiki/User:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User:Vojtěch Veselý">Vojtěch Veselý</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vojt%C4%9Bch_Vesel%C3%BD" title="User talk:Vojtěch Veselý">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z-Error_report" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z-Error_report"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vojtěch_Veselý-2021-12-14T11:18:00.000Z-Error_report"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Track_Wikiquote" data-mw-thread-id="h-Track_Wikiquote-20231102193100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Track_Wikiquote-20231102193100"></span>Track Wikiquote<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Track_Wikiquote-20231102193100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Track Wikiquote"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121212800-BamLifa-20231102193100">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="tracked tracked-floatright mw-trackedTemplate"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r27690877">.mw-parser-output .tracked{font-size:85%;margin:2px;background-color:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);border-radius:.5em;padding:2px .3em;width:12em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tracked-floatright{float:right;clear:right;margin:2px 0 2px 2px}.mw-parser-output .tracked-floatleft{float:left;clear:left;margin:2px 2px 2px 0}</style> Tracked in <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Phabricator">Phabricator</a>: <br/> <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190461" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T190461"><strong class="trakfab-T190461">Task T190461</strong></a></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BamLifa-20231102193100-Track_Wikiquote"></span>Hey! </p><p>I'm trying to find Wikiquote so that I can track it in an event, but I can't find it. Can you add it, please? <a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BamLifa" title="User talk:BamLifa">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-BamLifa-20231102193100-Track_Wikiquote" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BamLifa-20231102193100-Track_Wikiquote"><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BamLifa-20231102193100-Track_Wikiquote"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121212800-BamLifa-20231102193100"></span>Hello! This is tracked at <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190461" class="extiw" title="phab:T190461">phab:T190461</a>. I'm afraid Event Metrics as a whole hasn't been maintained in a while, so it would likely be non-trivial for us to add more projects in the near future. That said, I have noticed usage of Event Metrics is growing, so I will consult my team about picking it back up and adding support for the remaining sister projects. <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121212800-BamLifa-20231102193100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121212800-BamLifa-20231102193100"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121212800-BamLifa-20231102193100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category" data-mw-thread-id="h-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category-20231121052600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category-20231121052600"></span>Statistic is not reflecting number of photos uploaded in a category<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category-20231121052600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Statistic is not reflecting number of photos uploaded in a category"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-BamLifa-20231130183100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BamLifa-20231121052600-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category"></span>Hi! I'm testing this tool almost two months ago, but I notice that the counting does not reflect the reality of contribution. Is this a feature or a bug. Let's just take an example. We are running a photo contest and I filter by category. The given <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WMDRC-ma_ville_sur_commons" class="extiw" title="c:Category:WMDRC-ma ville sur commons">category</a> has 132 files, but the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/901">tool</a> says 125. And not all users are listed if we check the details. Is there any explanation? <a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BamLifa" title="User talk:BamLifa">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-BamLifa-20231121052600-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BamLifa-20231121052600-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category"><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BamLifa-20231121052600-Statistic_is_not_reflecting_number_of_photos_uploaded_in_a_category"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-STei_(WMF)-20231121120600-BamLifa-20231121052600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifathanks</a> for raising this, we will get back to you. –– <a href="/wiki/User:STei_(WMF)" title="User:STei (WMF)">STei (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:STei_(WMF)" title="User talk:STei (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-STei_(WMF)-20231121120600-BamLifa-20231121052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-STei_(WMF)-20231121120600-BamLifa-20231121052600"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-STei_(WMF)-20231121120600-BamLifa-20231121052600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300-BamLifa-20231121052600"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a>! Perhaps it wasn't clear, but the reports don't auto-update. I just used the "Update data" button and now I see the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/901/events/3290">report</a> is indicating there were 195 uploads in November 2023. This matches what I see when I run a <a href="https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/78255" class="extiw" title="quarry:query/78255">database query</a> manually, as well as what I see at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WMDRC-ma_ville_sur_commons" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:WMDRC-ma ville sur commons">commons:Category:WMDRC-ma ville sur commons</a>, as of the time of writing. It should also be noted that the count you see on-wiki may sometimes be inaccurate; see <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18036" class="extiw" title="phab:T18036">phab:T18036</a> / <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221795" class="extiw" title="phab:T221795">phab:T221795</a> for more on that.</dd> <dd>Does this resolve your issue, or are there any other issues with data integrity that you've noticed? Best, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300-BamLifa-20231121052600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300-BamLifa-20231121052600"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300-BamLifa-20231121052600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BamLifa-20231124204100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:STei_(WMF)" title="User:STei (WMF)">STei (WMF)</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a>, thank you so much for answering. I think one issue is resolved: number of photos. But I still can have the exact usernames of all participants. E.g: the user WilthineyKap who has uploaded <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ALWALLED.jpg" class="extiw" title="c:File:ALWALLED.jpg">this file</a> is not in the list. <a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BamLifa" title="User talk:BamLifa">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-BamLifa-20231124204100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BamLifa-20231124204100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BamLifa-20231124204100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231121220300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BamLifa-20231127105500-BamLifa-20231124204100"></span>I notice that when you download the report, everyone is there. Is there an issue with pagination? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BamLifa" title="Special:Contributions/BamLifa">BamLifa</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-BamLifa-20231127105500-BamLifa-20231124204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BamLifa-20231127105500-BamLifa-20231124204100"><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BamLifa-20231127105500-BamLifa-20231124204100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500-BamLifa-20231127105500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a> Ah! Yes, there is indeed an issue with pagination. I don't think I was even aware this view was still visible. The issue is tracked at <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T276413" class="extiw" title="phab:T276413">phab:T276413</a>. It may be a bit before I can fix the pagination, but I will try. As you discovered, downloading the report is the workaround for the time being. Apologies for the inconvenience. <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500-BamLifa-20231127105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500-BamLifa-20231127105500"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500-BamLifa-20231127105500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BamLifa-20231130183100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500"></span>Great! I would be happy to help with the code. I claimed task already, as you showed. But I'll take a little time in order to understand the code base. <a href="/wiki/User:BamLifa" title="User:BamLifa">BamLifa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BamLifa" title="User talk:BamLifa">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-BamLifa-20231130183100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BamLifa-20231130183100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BamLifa-20231130183100-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20231127190500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports-20240520125000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports-20240520125000"></span>Problem when trying to download reports<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports-20240520125000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Problem when trying to download reports"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221200-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800">6 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports"></span>Hi, thank you to be there, available to help. I was not able to download two out of the four possible reports to download from the Event Metrics events (problem with articles created and articles improved). <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/476/events/1510">https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/476/events/1510</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fernando_Archuby" title="User:Fernando Archuby">Fernando Archuby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fernando_Archuby" title="User talk:Fernando Archuby">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports"><span id="ooui-php-65" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000-Problem_when_trying_to_download_reports"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Fernando_Archuby" title="User:Fernando Archuby">Fernando Archuby</a>, this should be fixed now. Apologies for the disruption, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User:MusikAnimal (WMF)">MusikAnimal (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MusikAnimal_(WMF)" title="User talk:MusikAnimal (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221200-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800"></span>Now works, thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Fernando_Archuby" title="User:Fernando Archuby">Fernando Archuby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fernando_Archuby" title="User talk:Fernando Archuby">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221200-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221200-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221200-MusikAnimal_(WMF)-20240524043800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics" data-mw-thread-id="h-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics-20240520125300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics-20240520125300"></span>Problem generating a report with Event Metrics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics-20240520125300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Problem generating a report with Event Metrics"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221400-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300">6 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics"></span>I did not succeeded when trying to create a report for 209 participants, from 2020 to today, for different wikipedias + commons + wikidata. Link to the event: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/473/events/2194">https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/473/events/2194</a> Thanks a lot! Fernando <a href="/wiki/User:Fernando_Archuby" title="User:Fernando Archuby">Fernando Archuby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fernando_Archuby" title="User talk:Fernando Archuby">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics"><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300-Problem_generating_a_report_with_Event_Metrics"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221400-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300"></span>I have tried every project in separate event and the only one that fails is en.wiki:</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/473/events/3790">https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/programs/473/events/3790</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fernando_Archuby" title="User:Fernando Archuby">Fernando Archuby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fernando_Archuby" title="User talk:Fernando Archuby">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Event_Metrics#c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221400-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221400-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300"><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fernando_Archuby-20240524221400-Fernando_Archuby-20240520125300"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&oldid=26829743">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Metrics&oldid=26829743</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 24 May 2024, at 22:14.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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