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Any comments please? <a href="/wiki/User:AndrewRT" title="User:AndrewRT">AndrewRT</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AndrewRT" title="User talk:AndrewRT">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z-Rename" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z-Rename"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z-Rename"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kittybrewster-2011-01-27T20:07:00.000Z-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z"></span>Renamed per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kittybrewster" title="User:Kittybrewster">Kittybrewster </a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kittybrewster" title="User talk:Kittybrewster"><span style="color:#0000FF;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Kittybrewster-2011-01-27T20:07:00.000Z-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kittybrewster-2011-01-27T20:07:00.000Z-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kittybrewster-2011-01-27T20:07:00.000Z-AndrewRT-2007-03-11T17:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Requested move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Orlady-2011-02-26T04:49:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>The following discussion is an archived discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>Move</b> per proposal. Plurality supports a move, and given the need for disambiguation, the arguments for the current name ring hollow. <a href="/wiki/User:Orlady" title="User:Orlady">Orlady</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orlady" title="User talk:Orlady">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Orlady-2011-02-26T04:49:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Orlady-2011-02-26T04:49:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Orlady-2011-02-26T04:49:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan_(politician)" class="mw-redirect" title="Eluned Morgan (politician)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>Eluned Morgan (politician)</a> → <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eluned_Morgan,_Baroness_Morgan_of_Ely&redirect=no">Eluned Morgan, Baroness Morgan of Ely</a></span>. </p> <dl><dd><b>Oppose</b> - Better known as a politician in general. Was not a peer and MEP so is begtter known without the title.--<a href="/wiki/User:Lucy-marie" title="User:Lucy-marie">Lucy-marie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lucy-marie" title="User talk:Lucy-marie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kittybrewster-2011-02-01T15:15:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a> is quite clear. This peeress is no longer wholly or exclusively known by her pre-peerage nomenclature. Disambiguation very much needed there are 2 Eluned Morgans and 3 Baroness Morgans. <a href="/wiki/User:Kittybrewster" title="User:Kittybrewster">Kittybrewster </a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kittybrewster" title="User talk:Kittybrewster"><span style="color:#0000FF;">☎</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Kittybrewster-2011-02-01T15:15:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kittybrewster-2011-02-01T15:15:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kittybrewster-2011-02-01T15:15:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Born2cycle-2011-02-01T20:10:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> in the strongest possible terms for consistency in naming per policy and guidelines like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TITLE">WP:TITLE</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:D">WP:D</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRECISION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRECISION">WP:PRECISION</a> that apply to all Wikipedia article titles. The subject is most commonly known by the current title (disambiguated per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:D">WP:D</a>); adding peerage information is additional precision that is completely unnecessary, all good reasons to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">ignore</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Born2cycle" title="User:Born2cycle">Born2cycle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Born2cycle" title="User talk:Born2cycle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Born2cycle-2011-02-01T20:10:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Born2cycle-2011-02-01T20:10:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Born2cycle-2011-02-01T20:10:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-02-01T20:59:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a>. Disambiguation is needed, and using the title is the correct way to disambiguate per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a>.<br/>B2C's arguments are bogus, because the policy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TITLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TITLE">WP:TITLE</a> explicitly permits topic-specific naming conventions such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:BrownHairedGirl" title="User:BrownHairedGirl"><span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl" title="User talk:BrownHairedGirl">(talk)</a> • (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl" title="Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-02-01T20:59:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-02-01T20:59:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-02-01T20:59:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-2011-02-02T12:39:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> - useful for disambiguation. <a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deb" title="User talk:Deb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Deb-2011-02-02T12:39:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deb-2011-02-02T12:39:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deb-2011-02-02T12:39:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Necrothesp-2011-02-04T14:25:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. The best way to disambiguate. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Necrothesp" title="User talk:Necrothesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Necrothesp-2011-02-04T14:25:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Necrothesp-2011-02-04T14:25:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Necrothesp-2011-02-04T14:25:00.000Z-Lucy-marie-2011-02-01T14:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Need_to_improve_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_to_improve_references-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_to_improve_references-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"></span>Need to improve references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_to_improve_references-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z-Need_to_improve_references"></span>There is a surprising amount of biographical information on this page without references. I've added the refimprove tag and I'm now going to spend some time trying to get some references. I'm also a bit troubled by potentially close association to this article by some of the users who have edited this page in the past, including a user called <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eluned_Morgan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eluned Morgan (page does not exist)">User:Eluned_Morgan</a>, but I won't jump to any conclusions at the moment. <a href="/wiki/User:Seaweed" title="User:Seaweed">Seaweed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seaweed" title="User talk:Seaweed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z-Need_to_improve_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z-Need_to_improve_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z-Need_to_improve_references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Seaweed-2015-11-29T16:50:00.000Z-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"></span>I've added some references and removed some non-notable information. It's quite tricky to find good, verifiable references because I think that many websites that come up in searches with biographical information probably have got their information from this very Wikipedia page in the past (i.e. without good or any references).<a href="/wiki/User:Seaweed" title="User:Seaweed">Seaweed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seaweed" title="User talk:Seaweed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Seaweed-2015-11-29T16:50:00.000Z-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 29 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Seaweed-2015-11-29T16:50:00.000Z-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Seaweed-2015-11-29T16:50:00.000Z-Seaweed-2015-10-29T09:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?-20240721182100"><span id="Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?-20240721182100"></span>Specific section for Betsi Cadwaladr?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?-20240721182100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwiltherin-20240721182100-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?"></span>I'd augur that the main thing people know about Eluned Morgan, if they know anything at all, is her close association with the Betsi Cadwaladr crisis. Taking that into consideration, shouldn't it have it's own dedicated section, or at least be part of a broader 'Controversies' section? <a href="/wiki/User:Gwiltherin" title="User:Gwiltherin">Gwiltherin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gwiltherin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Gwiltherin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Gwiltherin-20240721182100-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwiltherin-20240721182100-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwiltherin-20240721182100-Specific_section_for_Betsi_Cadwaladr?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sionk-20240721225200-Gwiltherin-20240721182100"></span>Last year's vote of no confidence is already in the article. I guess there's no harm in adding a bit more context, but we tend to avoid general "Controversies" sections. To be frank I'm surprised there isn't more about the "crisis" in the <a href="/wiki/Betsi_Cadwaladr_University_Health_Board" title="Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board">Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board</a> article. <a href="/wiki/User:Sionk" title="User:Sionk">Sionk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sionk" title="User talk:Sionk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Sionk-20240721225200-Gwiltherin-20240721182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sionk-20240721225200-Gwiltherin-20240721182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sionk-20240721225200-Gwiltherin-20240721182100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gwiltherin-20240722081700-Sionk-20240721225200"></span>Fair enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Gwiltherin" title="User:Gwiltherin">Gwiltherin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gwiltherin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Gwiltherin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Gwiltherin-20240722081700-Sionk-20240721225200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gwiltherin-20240722081700-Sionk-20240721225200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gwiltherin-20240722081700-Sionk-20240721225200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_25_August_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_25_August_2024-20240825234900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_25_August_2024-20240825234900"></span>Requested move 25 August 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_25_August_2024-20240825234900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span id="requestedmovetag"></span><span id="reqmovetag"></span> </p> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ravenpuff-20240825234900-Requested_move_25_August_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-move" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/36px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png" decoding="async" width="36" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/54px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/72px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="36" data-file-height="40"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>The request to rename this article to <a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan" title="Eluned Morgan">Eluned Morgan</a> has been carried out.</b> <hr/> If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using <span class="nowrap"><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:RM_top" title="Template:RM top">subst:RM top</a>|'''page moved'''.}}</code></span> and <span class="nowrap"><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:RM_bottom" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:RM bottom">subst:RM bottom</a>}}</code></span> and remove the <span class="nowrap"><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/dated" title="Template:Requested move/dated">Requested move/dated</a>|…}}</code></span> tag, or replace it with the <span class="nowrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Requested_move/end" title="Template:Requested move/end">subst:Requested move/end</a>|…}}</span> tag.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan,_Baroness_Morgan_of_Ely" class="mw-redirect" title="Eluned Morgan, Baroness Morgan of Ely">Eluned Morgan, Baroness Morgan of Ely</a> → <a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan" title="Eluned Morgan">Eluned Morgan</a> – Once upon a time, this article was moved from <a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan_(politician)" class="mw-redirect" title="Eluned Morgan (politician)">Eluned Morgan (politician)</a> to the current title as a better way to disambiguate, in line with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCPEER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCPEER">WP:NCPEER</a> – the previous move discussion can be found above. However, now that this article <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1236494824" title="Special:Diff/1236494824">has been found to be the primary topic</a> of "Eluned Morgan" since her selection as first minister of Wales, I think there is a prima facie case that we can omit her peerage from the article title, as it's no longer needed for disambiguation, and she isn't using her noble title while serving as first minister and on leave of absence from the House of Lords. Moreover, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg58ndd4myo">the BBC have started referring to her as "Ms Morgan"</a>. — <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Ravenpuff" title="User:Ravenpuff"><span style="color:#006">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#960">PVFF</span></a></b></span> <b>·</b> <span><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ravenpuff" title="User talk:Ravenpuff">talk</a></i></span> <b>·</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Ravenpuff-20240825234900-Requested_move_25_August_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ravenpuff-20240825234900-Requested_move_25_August_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DankJae-20240826165200-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ortizesp-20240826171000-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span>Support</b> per nom.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ortizesp" title="User:Ortizesp">Ortizesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ortizesp" title="User talk:Ortizesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Ortizesp-20240826171000-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ortizesp-20240826171000-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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I think this might also be getting into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNOW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNOW">WP:SNOW</a> territory now. <a href="/wiki/User:ThatRandomGuy1" title="User:ThatRandomGuy1">ThatRandomGuy1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThatRandomGuy1" title="User talk:ThatRandomGuy1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-ThatRandomGuy1-20240828125300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThatRandomGuy1-20240828125300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThatRandomGuy1-20240828125300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Necrothesp-20240829132400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span>Support</b>. Primary topic and well-known before her peerage. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Necrothesp" title="User:Necrothesp">Necrothesp</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Necrothesp" title="User talk:Necrothesp">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Necrothesp-20240829132400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Necrothesp-20240829132400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Necrothesp-20240829132400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_O'Doherty-20240829211400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span>Oppose</b>, although it's fairly futile now: I am not convinced that she is, per NCPEER, <span style="color:green;">almost exclusively known by her personal name</span>. It's true that the BBC refers to her as "Ms Morgan", but the <i>Guardian</i> and <i>Independent</i> both (usually) opt for her title: a small point maybe, but when there is <a href="/wiki/Eluned_Morgan_(author)" title="Eluned Morgan (author)">another Eluned Morgan</a> this is the natural disambiguator, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Eluned+Morgan%2CBaroness+Morgan+of+Ely&year_start=1890&year_end=2020&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false">for most of the 2010s</a> she was more commonly referred to as "Baroness Morgan of Ely". Unlike Thatcher or Eden she holds the most important role of her career whilst being a peer. I would wait until she renounces her peerage, if, as she has said, she will do. Cheers – <a href="/wiki/User:Tim_O%27Doherty" title="User:Tim O'Doherty">Tim O'Doherty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_O%27Doherty" title="User talk:Tim O'Doherty">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Tim_O'Doherty-20240829211400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_O'Doherty-20240829211400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_O'Doherty-20240829211400-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Goodreg3-20240830235800-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span>Support</b>, per nom, and the fact she is best known now as First Minister of Wales, and not as a member of the House of Lords. <a href="/wiki/User:Goodreg3" title="User:Goodreg3"><span style="background-color: blue; color: white">Goodreg3</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goodreg3" title="User talk:Goodreg3">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Goodreg3-20240830235800-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Goodreg3-20240830235800-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Goodreg3-20240830235800-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sionk-20240831093300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span>Support</b>, a welcome change, this is Wikipedia not Burke's Peerage. Morgan has always been involved in elected public life so better known by her personal name. <a href="/wiki/User:Sionk" title="User:Sionk">Sionk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sionk" title="User talk:Sionk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eluned_Morgan#c-Sionk-20240831093300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sionk-20240831093300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sionk-20240831093300-Ravenpuff-20240825234900"></span></li></ul>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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