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There is absolutely no possibility that a consensus to delete this article will occur. <a href="/wiki/User:BD2412" title="User:BD2412">BD2412</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BD2412" title="User talk:BD2412">T</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-BD2412-20241111155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="2028_United_States_presidential_election" data-mw-thread-id="h-2028_United_States_presidential_election-20241107190700"><a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="2028 United States presidential election">2028 United States presidential election</a></h3>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: 2028 United States presidential election">edit</a>]</div> <div class="other-afds" style="width:33%; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: var(--background-color-interactive-subtle, #f8f9fa); color: var(--color-base, inherit); margin: 0.5em 0 0.5em 1em; padding: 0.2em; float: right; clear: right; font-size: 88%; min-width:20em; max-width: 100%">AfDs for this article: <ul class="mw-prefixindex-list"><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2028 United States presidential election (3rd nomination)">Articles for deletion/2028 United States presidential election (3rd nomination)</a></li> </ul> </div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248391630">.mw-parser-output .afd-help{border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa);color:var(--color-base,#202122);font-size:88%;line-height:1.5em;padding:0.4em}.mw-parser-output .afd-help .user-show{float:right}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .afd-help{width:24em;clear:right;float:right;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em}.mw-parser-output .afd-help ul{margin-left:2.6em}}</style> <div class="afd-help afd-help-box"> <a href="/wiki/Template:AFD_help#Hiding_the_box" title="Template:AFD help">[Hide this box]</a> New to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">Articles for deletion</a> (AfD)? 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Speculation about who might run is not enough to sustain an article. Several editors have violated policies about copy and pasting others' work in order to create this article. I propose that it not only be re-deleted as the redirect target is not appropriate, but administrator protected for at least three months. It may even be necessary to delete the draft and start from scratch. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241107190700-2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Comment: Due to some political scholars predicting (as sourced on the article for the 2024) the destruction of Democracy under Trump, could it be considered a violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> to assume there even will be a 2028 election at all? <a href="/wiki/User:StrexcorpEmployee" title="User:StrexcorpEmployee">StrexcorpEmployee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StrexcorpEmployee" title="User talk:StrexcorpEmployee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-StrexcorpEmployee-20241107191700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment: The holding of an election is legally required, there is no legislative proposal or policy suggestion that mentions (for instance) not holding a presidential election in 2028 - let alone any state or federal election. It would be a greater violation of WP:CRYSTAL to remove this page because 'there is a possibility this event may not happen'. This suggestion is a somewhat akin to someone saying 'the <a href="/wiki/Next_United_Kingdom_general_election" title="Next United Kingdom general election">Next United Kingdom general election</a> page should be deleted because the UK may not exist by 2029 because Scotland and Wales may leave', which is far more likely but currently there is no indication of that happening, similarly to this idea. I can't make any assesment as to whether this page should exist, I just wanted to give my view on this line of reasoning in particular. <a href="/wiki/User:NotADev" title="User:NotADev">notadev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NotADev" title="User talk:NotADev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-NotADev-20241108070000-StrexcorpEmployee-20241107191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I agree with you <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108193300-NotADev-20241108070000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh to be clear I personally think such claims are pure fear mongering, but, nevertheless, if reliable sources are predicting it, what choice do we have? <a href="/wiki/User:StrexcorpEmployee" title="User:StrexcorpEmployee">StrexcorpEmployee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StrexcorpEmployee" title="User talk:StrexcorpEmployee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-StrexcorpEmployee-20241108212900-TopVat19sEver-20241108193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:NotADev" title="User:NotADev">notadev</a> explained it, a reliable source can only take you so far <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108231600-StrexcorpEmployee-20241108212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Unless these sources have a crystal ball, they’re merely speculating on what could happen, and there is likely an equal or greater chance of it not happening. I would argue that we should continue to operate under our current understanding of the situation, and that until some legal change is implemented, it would be dangerously speculative for this page to be deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:NotADev" title="User:NotADev">notadev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NotADev" title="User talk:NotADev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-NotADev-20241109002000-StrexcorpEmployee-20241108212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment There is a vote on the talk page. Should we move it here? <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109221300-NotADev-20241109002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Question Why is this discussion called the "3rd nomination"? I cannot find a 2nd one. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241111114900-Renerpho-20241109221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a>: Please see the article talk page banner; there were two prior deletion nominations at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFD">WP:RFD</a> back when this title was a redirect, so supposedly those "count" as the 1st and 2nd nominations. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Left_guide-20241111122800-Renerpho-20241111114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a>: I see, thank you! For anyone looking themselves, because these aren't linked above: That's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_17#2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 17">24 April 2021</a> (delete) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_11#2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 11">11 August 2024</a> (refine to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election#Comparison_with_other_U.S._general_elections" title="United States presidential election">#Comparison with other U.S. general elections</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241111134400-Left_guide-20241111122800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TRANSCLUDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRANSCLUDE">transcluded</a> to the log (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFDHOWTO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFDHOWTO">step 3</a>). I have transcluded it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2024_November_7" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 7">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 7</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Cyberbot_I" title="User:Cyberbot I">cyberbot I</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyberbot_I" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Cyberbot I">Talk to my owner</a>:Online <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Cyberbot_I-20241107193100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Per precedent in previous US election articles, anyone listed needs TWO RECENT and SUBSTANTIVE sources establishing they are likely to run, not pre-2024 mindless speculation of throwing a huge list of names out there. I'm fine with there being an article, but it should not be full of absurd pundit blabber. <a href="/wiki/User:Reywas92" title="User:Reywas92">Reywas92</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reywas92" title="User talk:Reywas92">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Reywas92-20241107193300-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Do you have a link for that? Never heard about it. Probably a number of those listed can be deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Mrfoogles-20241107193600-Reywas92-20241107193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If you look in the source code at this <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=726354040">2016 version of the 2020 election article</a> there's a hidden comment that says "Potential candidates must have at least TWO separate references from reliable sources from the past year. Sources should provide substantive discussion of individuals, not a "kitchen sink" listing of numerous people". In the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=524300576">2012 version of the 2016 election article</a> the article said "Individuals listed below should have been mentioned as potential 2016 presidential candidates in at least two reliable media sources in the last six months." <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=987941734">This 2020 version of the 2024 election article</a> says "Individuals in this section have expressed an interest in running for president within the last six months." and "The following people have been subjects of speculation about their potential candidacy within the last six months".</dd> <dd>We should not be listing dozens of people briefly mentioned in a single year-old source, we need a higher standard of multiple recent sources that focus on someone actually considering running – ideally substance on the person's participation in the <a href="/wiki/Invisible_primary" title="Invisible primary">Invisible primary</a>, not just who the columnist wants to run or considers high-profile. I have removed the outdated punditry from the article, but folks are welcome to start over with something more grounded in the present. <a href="/wiki/User:Reywas92" title="User:Reywas92">Reywas92</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reywas92" title="User talk:Reywas92">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Reywas92-20241107194900-Mrfoogles-20241107193600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Comment: Not a lot of coverage on this, but here's one: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.newsweek.com/who-will-run-2028-seven-potential-democratic-candidates-1981214">https://www.newsweek.com/who-will-run-2028-seven-potential-democratic-candidates-1981214</a>. It will essentially be entirely "Which people are likely to run?", but maybe if the boilerplate was removed and only the potential candidates section was kept (with the 2 reliable, recent sources mentioned above) it could be a good article. Personally, I'd like to know who might be a likely candidate, even if it's unknown right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Mrfoogles-20241107194200-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">deletion sorting</a> lists for the following topics: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Events" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events">Events</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Politics" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politics">Politics</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/United_States_of_America" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America">United States of America</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Wcquidditch" title="User:Wcquidditch">WCQuidditch</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wcquidditch" title="User talk:Wcquidditch">☎</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch" title="Special:Contributions/Wcquidditch">✎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Wcquidditch-20241107194900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Delete <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions". To do so would open up a whole category of speculative articles, dragging on and on in debate. None of us know the future, not even as near as January 2025. How many people envisioned in 2004 that a black man would run and win the 2008 Presidential election? That wasn't on anybody's radar. Also, as long as there are living descendants of any past president, who knows on that issue. A key factor in any election is how the US Supreme Court will have dealt with issues in the previous four years. We have no business sidetracking Wikipedia into a debate forum. <a href="/wiki/User:Maile66" title="User:Maile66">— Maile </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maile66" title="User talk:Maile66">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Maile66-20241108005100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Draftify premature <a href="/wiki/User:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Andrevan">Andre</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrevan" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Andrevan">🚐</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Andrevan-20241107201600-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> (as the next general election is specifically listed there as appropriate). The 2028 election is the next US presidential election. It is scheduled, verifiable, and there are sources that talk about the election. While I agree there can be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> problems with adding certain content to the page, the fact that an election is on the books for 2028 is not in doubt. --<a href="/wiki/User:Enos733" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enos733" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Enos733-20241107220500-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep per the reasons outlined in the comment above. Nothing premature here, it is the next election. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Arkansawyer25KADIMA" title="User:Arkansawyer25KADIMA">Arkansawyer25KADIMA</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arkansawyer25KADIMA" title="User talk:Arkansawyer25KADIMA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Arkansawyer25KADIMA-20241107230700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Keep the 2027 governor election pages were put up right after last year's elections, this election is far more notable, why are we changing the rules left and right? No reason to not have the page up. <a href="/wiki/User:TheFellaVB" title="User:TheFellaVB">TheFellaVB</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheFellaVB" title="User talk:TheFellaVB">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TheFellaVB-20241108000300-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep Clearly notable and mentioned in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> as an example "Examples of appropriate topics include the 2028 U.S. presidential election and 2032 Summer Olympics." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D" title="Special:Contributions/2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D">2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-2600:100F:B1BF:78F7:31D5:D64B:57DF:473D-20241108003100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep (strongly) per above. LITERALLY mentioned in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>. It's "the next general election", which is absolutely appropriate to have an article on. <a href="/wiki/User:Paintspot" title="User:Paintspot">Paintspot Infez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paintspot" title="User talk:Paintspot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Paintspot-20241108003700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep It is both notable and yes, it is expected to happen as usual (and per the three users above me). It is the next election anyhow. In fact, why was it necessary to have this AfD Discussion in the first place when its going to happen anyhow? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:20chances&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:20chances (page does not exist)">20chances</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:20chances" title="User talk:20chances">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-20chances-20241108012200-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>● Keep To Quote WP:CRYSTAL: "1. Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2028 U.S. presidential election and 2032 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2044 U.S. presidential election and 2048 Summer Olympics are not appropriate article topics if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research." <a href="/wiki/User:InterDoesWiki" title="User:InterDoesWiki">InterDoesWiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:InterDoesWiki" title="User talk:InterDoesWiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-InterDoesWiki-20241108021200-20chances-20241108012200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:InterDoesWiki" title="User:InterDoesWiki">InterDoesWiki</a>: I'm not sure if you are aware of the "intricacies" behind that quote. See my own comment to my !vote below. The reason why WP:CRYSTAL lists those examples (including the 2028 U.S. presidential election) is problematic. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109213100-InterDoesWiki-20241108021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Paintspot_Infez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Paintspot Infez">Paintspot Infez</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Enos733" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a>: Seeing that you've also made similar arguments, I think I should point you there as well. <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">Per WP:CRYSTALBALL (as the next general election is specifically listed there as appropriate).</q> and <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">LITERALLY mentioned in WP:CRYSTAL</q> both are not -- technically -- true. It's not mentioned "literally", and it's not listed "specifically" either. No human has ever added those examples, and it doesn't appear in the <a href="/wiki/H:WIKICODE" class="mw-redirect" title="H:WIKICODE">wikitext</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109214100-Renerpho-20241109213100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Even if we don't like the text of WP:CRYSTAL, there are plenty of articles that provide context for the election (even discounting speculation). There are articles about whether Trump can run again, about how the 2024 elections may have created additional swing states, and there is the basic information about how the 2028 election will proceed (e.g. number of electoral votes). - <a href="/wiki/User:Enos733" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Enos733" title="User talk:Enos733">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Enos733-20241110023300-Renerpho-20241109214100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Enos733" title="User:Enos733">Enos733</a>: To be clear, I am still voting "keep" -- just not based on WP:CRYSTAL. I've struck part of the rationale for my vote, not the vote itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241110032400-Enos733-20241110023300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd>Strong Keep It is notable and the next U.S. presidential election on the schedule. After the 2023 gubernatorial elections, the 2027 gubernatorial election pages were created immediately. I think it is 100% appropriate to have an article for 2028. There is no reason not to at this point in time. <a href="/wiki/User:TheMrTropical" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheMrTropical">TheMrTropical</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheMrTropical" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheMrTropical">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TheMrTropical-20241108020900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Comment: Should this article have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HISTMERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HISTMERGE">WP:HISTMERGE</a> with <a href="/wiki/Draft:2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:2028 United States presidential election">Draft:2028 United States presidential election</a>? –<a href="/wiki/User:Gluonz" title="User:Gluonz">Gluonz</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluonz" title="User talk:Gluonz">talk</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gluonz" title="Special:Contributions/Gluonz">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Gluonz-20241108021700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, I was unable to move the draft into the Main namespace because they already made a redirect with the same title so I just copy pasted the draft onto the redirect and then made the draft page redirect to the Main namespace. Please do this inshaAllah. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108143400-Gluonz-20241108021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok. I have requested a history merge. Next time, use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RMT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RMT">WP:RMT</a> in situations like that. –<a href="/wiki/User:Gluonz" title="User:Gluonz">Gluonz</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gluonz" title="User talk:Gluonz">talk</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gluonz" title="Special:Contributions/Gluonz">contribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Gluonz-20241108202600-TopVat19sEver-20241108143400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Yes, I am in favor of this as well, keeping the edit history all in one place makes sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Sal2100" title="User:Sal2100">Sal2100</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sal2100" title="User talk:Sal2100">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Sal2100-20241108202800-Gluonz-20241108021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Keep: There is a strong <a href="/wiki/Public_interest" title="Public interest">public interest</a> in this topic which compels it to stay; and while there may be articles that need deleted, this ain't one of 'em. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sapienna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sapienna (page does not exist)">Sapienna</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sapienna" title="User talk:Sapienna">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Sapienna-20241108022200-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Comment — Obviously, no one is claiming that the next U.S. presidential election is insignificant. The question is whether a page for the election is sustainable this early. Four politicians who have expressed interest—their plans changing notwithstanding here—is not enough to justify an article at this time. Tucker Carlson is among the potential Republican candidates, cited solely by a prediction from Joe Rogan. That conjecture is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">reading into the crystal ball</a> from a source who is not foreign to espousing falsehoods. From <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FUTURE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FUTURE">WP:FUTURE</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented</q>. No preparation is publicly known at this time, only gleaned from either dubious figures or journalists jockeying to be politically savvy. I am not against a draft to gather information and establish a general page structure, but it is very apparent that there needs to be a second administrator intervention to ensure that this process aligns with WP:FUTURE. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241108041600-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>Strong Keep. The speculated candidates section probably needs to be reduced in size (we don't need to put every single Democrat and Republican with a national presence there), but some candidates such as Whitmer have already started floating runs. <a href="/wiki/User:HadesTTW" title="User:HadesTTW">HadesTTW</a> (he/him • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HadesTTW" title="User talk:HadesTTW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-HadesTTW-20241108051500-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Strong delete. Speculation about candidates and polling data are not sufficient reasons to keep an article. There is no notable coverage beyong that and this article should be deleted until someone notable declares. <a href="/wiki/User:Esolo5002" title="User:Esolo5002">Esolo5002</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Esolo5002" title="User talk:Esolo5002">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Esolo5002-20241108072700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li><del>Strong delete. Pure speculation (check sources: "2028 Presidential Wannabe", "What if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez", "Ted Cruz says he expects", "Mike Pence looks like", "we just don't know what it will be", etc.). Nothing really substantially notable and covered by decent sources. <a href="/wiki/User:RodRabelo7" title="User:RodRabelo7">RodRabelo7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RodRabelo7" title="User talk:RodRabelo7">talk</a>) 09:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</del> Late keep as per below. <a href="/wiki/User:RodRabelo7" title="User:RodRabelo7">RodRabelo7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RodRabelo7" title="User talk:RodRabelo7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-RodRabelo7-20241108091900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong keep as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place</q>, which is the case here as US elections are fairly notable and are fixed every four years, so it's fairly sure it is almost certain to take place, barring a world-ending event or the US turning into a full-blown dictatorship) and past precedent (articles for "next" elections are typically created once a winner for the previous election has been called; there is even a specific section for how to name future election articles at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCELECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCELECT">WP:NCELECT</a>. Furthermore, this is specially true for US elections: check the case for the 2024 article which <a href="/wiki/Talk:2024_United_States_presidential_election/Archive_1#Now_that_it's_November,_when_should_we_move?" title="Talk:2024 United States presidential election/Archive 1">was created/moved into mainspace on 8 November 2020</a>). Also, we already have primary polling and multiple sources covering the 2028 election, so this is obviously not unsourced. <a href="/wiki/User:Impru20" title="User:Impru20">Impru20</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Impru20" title="User talk:Impru20">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Impru20-20241108105900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> — <a href="/wiki/User:Gor1995" title="User:Gor1995">Gor1995</a> 𝄞 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Gor1995-20241108120000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep Articles on the next general election in a country usually are created before they take place. Keeping that in mind, the article is in the spirit of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(events)#Future_events" title="Wikipedia:Notability (events)">NEVENT</a>. There are already enough sources, post-5 November, to determine notability. The speculative nature of some of the sources is not contrary to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">CRYSTALBALL</a>, because this is a scheduled, notable event, very likely to take place. <a href="/wiki/User:Dege31" title="User:Dege31">Dege31</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dege31" title="User talk:Dege31">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Dege31-20241108142800-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Keep per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a>. US elections are certainly notable, especially given recent events. <a href="/wiki/User:Procyon117" title="User:Procyon117">Procyon117</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Procyon117" title="User talk:Procyon117">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Procyon117-20241108162700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep As of now, this is still the soonest legally scheduled US presidential election. Until we have a solid reason to believe this election will not occur, i.e. a piece of legislation passed to prevent it from occuring, i see absolutely no reason to delete. <a href="/wiki/User:MagicalFishing" title="User:MagicalFishing">MagicalFishing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MagicalFishing" title="User talk:MagicalFishing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-MagicalFishing-20241108162900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Strong Keep Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Khronicle_I" title="User:Khronicle I">Khronicle I</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Khronicle_I" title="User talk:Khronicle I">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Khronicle_I-20241108165600-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Keep In an earlier deletion discussion in which I participated regarding the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/42nd_Canadian_federal_election" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/42nd Canadian federal election">42nd Canadian federal election</a>, the position was expressed that we create an article for an election as soon as the previous election is over, not before then and not after then. That precedent actually has been followed for this page, as this page existed only as a redirect until shortly after the 2024 election wound down earlier this week. However it is not a precedent that has been consistently followed. For example the article <a href="/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election" title="2024 United States presidential election">2024 United States presidential election</a> had substantive content as far back as 2016, well before the conclusion of the <a href="/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election" title="2020 United States presidential election">2020 United States presidential election</a> or even the <a href="/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election" title="2016 United States presidential election">2016 United States presidential election</a>. On the other side of the same equation, the page for the <a href="/w/index.php?title=2030_Russian_presidential_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2030 Russian presidential election (page does not exist)">2030 Russian presidential election</a> has not yet been created despite the fact that the <a href="/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election" title="2024 Russian presidential election">2024 Russian presidential election</a> ended some time ago. The precedent with Russia might be relevant due to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> concerns expressed by <a href="/wiki/User:StrexcorpEmployee" title="User:StrexcorpEmployee">StrexcorpEmployee</a> that the threat to US democracy might be sufficiently severe that the 2028 will not be held at all. Given the prior precedent, I'm a Keep, but I'm not a Strong Keep, as I think there are questions we need to resolve regarding what the actual precedent is before I can support keeping the article really strongly. <a href="/wiki/User:Dash77" title="User:Dash77">Dash77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dash77" title="User talk:Dash77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Dash77-20241108165900-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment — Editors citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> have thus far failed to demonstrate how that policy supports this article and have not addressed substance issues. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241108175000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>They quote the specific part of the article where it cites the 2028 Election as an example that does not apply to the policy as well as the olympics, and the issues you guys expressed is already removed from the page now. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108182400-ElijahPepe-20241108175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>WP:CRYSTALBALL specifically states editors should avoid creating articles <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research</q> by mentioning an election article in the far future. It is clear that there is some information about the election of 2044, that it will occur and involve the Electoral College. That does not make it worthy of inclusion at this time. Is the information here not a duplicate of Wikipedia's article on U.S. electoral processes? The editors arguing for deletion are asking to keep this article space vacant until such a time comes where there is unique information. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241108191500-TopVat19sEver-20241108182400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>"1. Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2028 U.S. presidential election and 2032 Summer Olympics. By comparison, the 2044 U.S. presidential election and 2048 Summer Olympics are not appropriate article topics if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research." The 2028 election is not any old "next event" that will take place, it is specifically listed in the policy as one of two "appropriate topics". It is notable because it is the next one in line, that is what makes it notable, verses the 2044 election, which does not happen until after many elections. The article also is not just "that it will occur and involves the Electoral College", there are reliable sources that discuss future candidates, from after 6 November 2024, and the consensus is sources from a few months before are okay, and there is even sources discussing if the election won't happen because they think President Trump is a dictator, which although it is silly, sources Wikipedia considers as reliable state it, therefore what they say can be included. This is all things that could be included in the page from reliable sources. Strong Keep. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108192900-ElijahPepe-20241108191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>As noted by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> does specifically mention this article as one that should be kept. So there is that. However I would still like to understand the policy a bit better. In particular, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> states that if nothing verifiable can be said about a future event yet, it is premature to create an article. What, specifically, verifiable is known about the <a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="2028 United States presidential election">2028 United States presidential election</a> so far? Actual references to verifiable sources seem a bit thin so far, although I expect there to be more coverage from reliable sources at some point. So I remain a Keep, but think the policy could be made clearer than it is. <a href="/wiki/User:Dash77" title="User:Dash77">Dash77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dash77" title="User talk:Dash77">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Dash77-20241108185000-ElijahPepe-20241108175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dash77" title="User:Dash77">Dash77</a>: I agree with keep (per my vote below), but I've also explained in a comment under my vote why <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">WP:CRYSTAL does specifically mention this article as one that should be kept</q> is not actually true. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109212800-Dash77-20241108185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep The only substance issues are caused by ElijahPepe who continues to blank the article without consensus and should be topic-banned from election-related articles. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.0.191.77" title="Special:Contributions/72.0.191.77">72.0.191.77</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.0.191.77&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.0.191.77 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-72.0.191.77-20241108180800-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This is vandalism likely from people who think President Trump is a dictator due to the legacy media repeatedly referring to him as one. Someone also was making the page into a redirect for the page "hoax". I requested it for semi-protection and Alhumdulilah they accepted it, so this should stop happening now inshaAllah. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241108181400-72.0.191.77-20241108180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Why is an IP editor so vociferous about topic bans? To correct your incorrect statements, I reverted two edits that were not conetructive for this article, the first being vandalism and the second violating copy and paste policies regarding articles others work on. Neither of those reverts were because of Trump's election or what policies he may or may not enact. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241108190400-72.0.191.77-20241108180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep - standard practice is to create an article for the next upcoming election in a regular election cycle as soon as the previous election concludes, and since the United States has fixed elections, this is at the correct title. Issues with sourcing regarding future candidates are editorial issues, not issues compelling deletion of the entire article. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Ivanvector-20241108181200-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep per Enos733 and several other Keep !vote arguments. <a href="/wiki/User:Sal2100" title="User:Sal2100">Sal2100</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sal2100" title="User talk:Sal2100">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Sal2100-20241108184000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep: Now IS the time for this article. We know Trump, Clinton and Obama can't run and we know the Electoral College map will be identical to 2024. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">pbp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Purplebackpack89-20241108222000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>What else? Knowing that alone does not justify an article. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241109021200-Purplebackpack89-20241108222000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Bro, are you going to bludgeon every single keep vote? 72... might have a point above, that you need to take a break from this topic. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Purplebackpack89" title="User talk:Purplebackpack89">pbp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Purplebackpack89-20241111151700-ElijahPepe-20241109021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep: Keep the article as it's relevant but remove the section about potential candidates, at least for now. <a href="/wiki/User:GandalfXLD" title="User:GandalfXLD">GandalfXLD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GandalfXLD" title="User talk:GandalfXLD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-GandalfXLD-20241108222500-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Keep: per all reasoning mentioned and based on the previous precedent of 2024. <a href="/wiki/User:AlAboud83" title="User:AlAboud83">Alhanuty</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlAboud83" title="User talk:AlAboud83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-AlAboud83-20241108231100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Piling on Keep: The article for the 2024 election was create uncontroversially the day after the 2020 election was called for Biden. No reason not to do the same here. {{u|<a href="/wiki/User:Squeeps10" title="User:Squeeps10">Squeeps10</a>}} {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeeps10" title="User talk:Squeeps10">Talk</a>} Please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PING">ping</a> when replying. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Squeeps10-20241108232400-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF">WP:OTHERSTUFF</a>. There is a reason not to do it here: it has no current coverage beyond speculation. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241109020700-Squeeps10-20241108232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Strong Keep:Like others have said, the article for the 2024 election was created right after we knew who the president-elect in 2020 was. To have an article for the next election in a series of regularly scheduled elections is, in my opinion, good practice and keeping in line with tradition. <a href="/wiki/User:Lj123" title="User:Lj123">Lj123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lj123" title="User talk:Lj123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Lj123-20241108235400-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong Delete: All of the information is just speculative, not encyclopedic. We don't have enough information yet on any of the potential candidates or what their platforms will be. Just because a 2024 election article was created too early doesn't mean we have to make a 2028 version too early as well. <a href="/wiki/User:SouthernResidentOrca" title="User:SouthernResidentOrca">SouthernResidentOrca</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SouthernResidentOrca" title="User talk:SouthernResidentOrca">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-SouthernResidentOrca-20241109001700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Draftify until after the 2026 Midterm. Then bring it back as a proper Article when the Midterm is over. Probably the best possible compromise, for everyone saying how premature it is for its own Wikipedia Article. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mysterious_El_Willstro" title="User:The Mysterious El Willstro">The Mysterious El Willstro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mysterious_El_Willstro" title="User talk:The Mysterious El Willstro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-The_Mysterious_El_Willstro-20241109035300-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep - from a cursory <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=2028+presidential+election">Google</a>, there are numerous news articles / pieces discussing the 2028 Presidential election. Wikipedia's job is to reflect what the outside world considers notable and it's clearly considered notable by the outside world. --<a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-B-20241109035800-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Strong keep: This is the next U.S. presidential election, and it's entirely appropriate to have an article dedicated to it. There's precedent for this, too. Let's look at the last few presidential elections and when their Wikipedia articles were moved from draftspace:</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election" title="2016 United States presidential election">2016 United States presidential election</a>: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=521499154">5 November 2012</a>, 1,464 days before the election, and before the previous election even happened</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election" title="2020 United States presidential election">2020 United States presidential election</a>: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=688158785">30 October 2015</a>, 1,831 days before the election, and before the previous election even happened</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election" title="2024 United States presidential election">2024 United States presidential election</a>: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_United_States_presidential_election&oldid=865719472">25 October 2018</a>, 2,203 days before the election, and before the previous election even happened</dd></dl> <dl><dd>But here we are debating whether to keep the article less than 1,460 days before the election, well within the timeline that past articles have followed.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>The election is both notable and almost certain to occur as scheduled, as outlined by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a>, where, in fact, "2028 U.S. presidential election" is cited as an example of an appropriate article. <a href="/wiki/User:Anopisthograph" title="User:Anopisthograph">Anopisthograph</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anopisthograph" title="User talk:Anopisthograph">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Anopisthograph-20241109043000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>MashaAllah, this is a nearly perfect explanation of why to keep the article Alhumdulilah brother <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241109050100-Anopisthograph-20241109043000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep - it is standard practice for the next scheduled election to have an article. <a href="/wiki/User:R._G._Checkers" title="User:R. G. Checkers"> R. G. Checkers</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:R._G._Checkers" title="User talk:R. G. Checkers"> talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-R._G._Checkers-20241109065600-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep: Very rarely is there a policy that explicitly advocates for the existence of a specific article, and in this case there is. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> point #1 in the fourth sentence says: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote"> Examples of appropriate topics include the <a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="2028 United States presidential election">2028 U.S. presidential election</a> and <a href="/wiki/2032_Summer_Olympics" title="2032 Summer Olympics">2032 Summer Olympics</a>.</blockquote> Consensus on Wikipedia is judged by the strength and weight of arguments with regards to how much they are backed with policy. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Left_guide-20241109082700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Strong Keep, it shouldn't be deleted <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nohorizonss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nohorizonss (page does not exist)">Nohorizonss</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nohorizonss&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Nohorizonss (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Nohorizonss-20241109150500-Left_guide-20241109082700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Come on, man <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">"Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place."</q>, and even lists the <a href="/wiki/2028_United_States_presidential_election" title="2028 United States presidential election">2028 United States presidential election</a> as an explicit example. Keep and salt against deletion. Though I would support removing potential candidates for now. <a href="/wiki/User:DarmaniLink" title="User:DarmaniLink">DarmaniLink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DarmaniLink" title="User talk:DarmaniLink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-DarmaniLink-20241109171500-Left_guide-20241109082700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></dd> <dd>Delete per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CrystalBall" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CrystalBall">WP:CrystalBall</a>. Way too early to be making an article based on pure speculation of who will be running for President. <a href="/wiki/User:CNC33" title="User:CNC33">CNC33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Conman33" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Conman33">. . .talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Conman33-20241109184100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That is not the only purpose of the article, and in the policy you cited, it literally specifies that the 2028 election is not violating the policy. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241109192000-Conman33-20241109184100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep, per precedent cited by TopVat19sEver, <s>and the arguments that explain why WP:CRYSTAL explicitly allows such articles</s>. Leave it to the politicians to scrub this election.[<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Humor" title="Wikipedia:Humor">Humor</a>] <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109203400-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Comment I cannot ignore that there are problems with the arguments that are citing the example given in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>. Note that since 18 January 2014,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWhat_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=prev&oldid=591290801">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> is using a <a href="/wiki/Regular_expression" title="Regular expression">regular expression</a> to determine which article titles are appropriate, and which are not. In this case, they're using <dl><dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">[[{{#expr: {{CURRENTYEAR}} + 4 + ({{CURRENTYEAR}} * -1)mod4 }} United States presidential election|{{#expr: {{CURRENTYEAR}} + 4 + ({{CURRENTYEAR}} * -1)mod4 }} U.S. presidential election]]</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Right now, that formula leads to the 2028 election, and it has done so since 1 January 2021. This means that it already was given as the explicit example of an appropriate article title when we last deleted it on 24 April 2021 (when it was still a redirect to <a href="/wiki/United_States_presidential_election" title="United States presidential election">United States presidential election</a>).<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_17#2028_United_States_presidential_election">[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> will automatically switch this to the 2032 election on 1 January 2025, and I don't think that article would have any chance to survive AfD for another few years.</dd> <dd>This was brought up in the April 2021 discussion. The most interesting arguments I find there come from <a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Reywas92" title="User:Reywas92">Reywas92</a>. Reywas92 argued for salting the title, and that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">it should be protected until November 2024, just as the 2024 page was protected until after the 2020 election</q>. I find that a sensible policy, and a strong counter-argument to what the nominator said above. Things have actually changed since 2021; namely, the 2024 election is over. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109210900-Renerpho-20241109203400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I find the arguments problematic because 1. I don't think that formula has ever undergone vetting by the community, 2. there is no way to mathematically calculate if an article title is appropriate or not, and 3. it gives the impression that the specific examples have been listed purposefully, which is not true. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241109212400-Renerpho-20241109210900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm sorry guys I did not know this forgive me, I am still strong keep inshaAllah <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TopVat19sEver&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TopVat19sEver (page does not exist)">TopVat19sEver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TopVat19sEver" title="User talk:TopVat19sEver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TopVat19sEver-20241110023600-Renerpho-20241109212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li>Keep. Sources like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-swing-states-2028-election-1982240">this</a> express notability without needing speculation. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.234.120.14" title="Special:Contributions/50.234.120.14">50.234.120.14</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:50.234.120.14" title="User talk:50.234.120.14">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-50.234.120.14-20241109203500-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment Support a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNOW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNOW">WP:SNOW</a> at this point. <a href="/wiki/User:DarmaniLink" title="User:DarmaniLink">DarmaniLink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DarmaniLink" title="User talk:DarmaniLink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-DarmaniLink-20241109210700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You should keep it, since the 2024 U.S. Presidential election already happened. After the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, the 2024 U.S. Presidential election Wikipedia article was automatically created. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/67.184.44.198" title="Special:Contributions/67.184.44.198">67.184.44.198</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.184.44.198&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:67.184.44.198 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-67.184.44.198-20241109224500-DarmaniLink-20241109210700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Keep, as per Ivanvector (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=1256191121">see above</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD" title="User:Миша Карелин">M.Karelin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD" title="User talk:Миша Карелин">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Миша_Карелин-20241109225500-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <ul><li>Strong keep that Drumpf supporters want there to be no more elections so they can remain in power forever doesn't mean we adhere to their delusions by deleting articles here. <a href="/wiki/User:Acalamari" title="User:Acalamari">Acalamari</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Acalamari-20241109231700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>● Comment Is it too early to close this with concensus to Keep? <a href="/wiki/User:InterDoesWiki" title="User:InterDoesWiki">InterDoesWiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:InterDoesWiki" title="User talk:InterDoesWiki">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-InterDoesWiki-20241109232700-Acalamari-20241109231700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd>Keep, clearly notable. <a href="/wiki/User:Alexeyevitch" title="User:Alexeyevitch">Alexeyevitch</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alexeyevitch" title="User talk:Alexeyevitch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Alexeyevitch-20241110001300-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <ul><li>Strong Keep Clearly a notable event that will indeed happen (despite what Donito Trumpolini has claimed). <a href="/wiki/User:TH1980" title="User:TH1980">TH1980</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TH1980" title="User talk:TH1980">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-TH1980-20241110011000-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Lean delete While it is true that the next presidential election is scheduled for 2028, no preparation has been done for 2028 by any organization, potential candidate, or election official. Sourcing for the potential candidates is poor, with it using sources that are marginally reliable and syndicated. Of note is that every potential candidate except two uses <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSWEEK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NEWSWEEK">WP:NEWSWEEK</a> as a source. For a breakdown of the sources for the remaining two potential candidates, Pete Buttigieg and Andy Beshear: The <a href="/wiki/Washington_Examiner" title="Washington Examiner">Washington Examiner</a> is only marginally reliable; Yahoo! News is a syndication article from <a href="/wiki/Fox_Television_Stations" title="Fox Television Stations">Fox Television Stations</a>, which might violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FOXNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FOXNEWS">WP:FOXNEWS</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_385#c-ElijahPepe-20220811143300-ElijahPepe's_assessment" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 385">the only assessment I could find regarding FTS</a> at RSN; Kentucky Lantern is tied to <a href="/wiki/States_Newsroom" title="States Newsroom">States Newsroom</a>, an organization <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.axios.com/2024/06/11/partisan-news-websites-dark-money">Axios covers here</a>; and the final is <a href="/wiki/WHAS-TV" title="WHAS-TV">WHAS-TV</a>, a local ABC affiliate, whose article focuses on a breakdown of a betting website's odds. --<a href="/wiki/User:Super_Goku_V" title="User:Super Goku V">Super Goku V</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Super_Goku_V" title="User talk:Super Goku V">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Super_Goku_V-20241110015700-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <dl><dd>KEEP - I find it astonishing that someone could even put this page up for deletion this event has a 99% chance of happening not to mention if we go forward with this we would need to delete <a href="/wiki/Next_Indian_general_election" title="Next Indian general election">Next Indian general election</a>, <a href="/wiki/Next_Australian_federal_election" title="Next Australian federal election">Next Australian federal election</a>, <a href="/wiki/45th_Canadian_federal_election" title="45th Canadian federal election">45th Canadian federal election</a> and many many more pages <a href="/wiki/User:John_Bois" title="User:John Bois">John Bois</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Bois" title="User talk:John Bois">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-John_Bois-20241110063100-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Strong keep per precedent explained wonderfully by <a href="/wiki/User:Anopisthograph" title="User:Anopisthograph">Anopisthograph</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Altorespite" title="User:Altorespite">Altorespite</a> 🌿 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Altorespite-20241110220600-ElijahPepe-20241107190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> Keep to all the people saying, it’s just speculative and not Fitting of Encyclopedia Well, no one can just edit any book which is what a Encyclopedia is And who cares if it’s just Speculation it gives people ideas and help people understand the current political situation better — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/217.180.216.79" title="Special:Contributions/217.180.216.79">217.180.216.79</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.180.216.79&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:217.180.216.79 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-217.180.216.79-20241110033100-2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Keep we typically keep articles on next elections. <a href="/wiki/User:SportingFlyer" title="User:SportingFlyer">SportingFlyer</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SportingFlyer" title="User talk:SportingFlyer">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer" title="Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer">C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-SportingFlyer-20241110063400-217.180.216.79-20241110033100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep A preemptive article is traditionally accepted for other relevant events such as the olympics, world cup, etc. Nothing wrong with adding information as long as it stays within the encyclopedic relevance <a href="/wiki/User:Camilo_Sanchez" title="User:Camilo Sanchez">Camilo Sánchez</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Camilo_Sanchez" title="User talk:Camilo Sanchez">Talk to me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Camilo_Sanchez-20241110071100-217.180.216.79-20241110033100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> This article should not be deleted. The 2028 presidential election is a real event that is very major that will be occurring in the future. — Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/45.46.10.230" title="Special:Contributions/45.46.10.230">45.46.10.230</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:45.46.10.230#top" title="User talk:45.46.10.230">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-45.46.10.230-20241110032300-2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Keep: Documenting early developments and potential political shifts is crucial for clarity, as relevant information and references can often be forgotten or lost over time. <a href="/wiki/User:QEnigma" title="User:QEnigma">QEnigma</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:QEnigma" title="User talk:QEnigma">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-QEnigma-20241110082500-45.46.10.230-20241110032300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> As the 2024 election has passed this article should stay and continue to be updated and the redirect should be deleted <a href="/wiki/User:NeonBluMoose" title="User:NeonBluMoose">NeonBluMoose</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NeonBluMoose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:NeonBluMoose (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 23:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC) copied from talk page <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-NeonBluMoose-20241107231700-2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] This article should not be deleted. This is a major future event. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lktm87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lktm87 (page does not exist)">Lktm87</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lktm87&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lktm87 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 04:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC) copied from talk page <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Lktm87-20241110042700-2028_United_States_presidential_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Keep per others <a href="/wiki/User:Jjj1238" title="User:Jjj1238">{ [ ( jjj</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjj1238" title="User talk:Jjj1238">1238 ) ] }</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Jjj1238-20241110140700-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Snow Keep No policy reasons stated to justify deleting, clear-cut keep per the text of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>. And as others have mentioned, it is standard practice to begin work on the page about the next election after the most recent election has passed. The 2024 US presidential election has taken place, so there's not really any reason not to have this page exist now. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanilla_Wizard" title="User:Vanilla Wizard"> Vanilla </a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanilla_Wizard" title="User talk:Vanilla Wizard"> Wizard </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vanilla_Wizard" title="Special:Contributions/Vanilla Wizard">💙</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Vanilla_Wizard-20241110155700-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The 2024 Election Is Done And Over So This Article Is Staying <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.140.177.9" title="Special:Contributions/24.140.177.9">24.140.177.9</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.140.177.9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.140.177.9 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-24.140.177.9-20241110231200-Vanilla_Wizard-20241110155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li> <li>Keep. The previous election is over and there is already a winner. On to the next one. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Theparties&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Theparties (page does not exist)">Theparties</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theparties" title="User talk:Theparties">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Theparties-20241110235500-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep Unless Trump or US courts or lawmakers bans elections we should keep the articles as per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> this is a exception and is allowed <a href="/wiki/User:Isla" title="User:Isla">Is</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isla" title="User talk:Isla">la</a>🏳️‍⚧ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Isla-20241111005800-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>Comment: Unlike in most other countries (where the Federal Government runs its own elections), in the USA even the elections for the Federal Government are actually state elections. Trump can try to cancel elections, but states would have to cooperate, so it isn't likely.</li> <li>All that being said, I agree that this should be kept. I voted "Draftify" earlier, but I've since thought better of my own vote in this discussion. Yes, Keep. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mysterious_El_Willstro" title="User:The Mysterious El Willstro">The Mysterious El Willstro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Mysterious_El_Willstro" title="User talk:The Mysterious El Willstro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-The_Mysterious_El_Willstro-20241111012300-Isla-20241111005800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:The_Mysterious_El_Willstro" title="User:The Mysterious El Willstro">The Mysterious El Willstro</a>: Each participant is only permitted one boldfaced !vote within a single deletion discussion, so if you have changed your mind, please strike out your original draftify !vote, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Left_guide-20241111070900-The_Mysterious_El_Willstro-20241111012300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Keep, speedy close. Possibly one of the most ludicrous time-wasting AfD nominations I have ever seen. Yes, the United States will be holding a presidential election in 2028, and in fact it is the very next election. <a href="/wiki/User:Chessrat" title="User:Chessrat">Chessrat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chessrat" title="User talk:Chessrat">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chessrat" title="Special:Contributions/Chessrat">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Chessrat-20241111032400-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep per all the reasons above, primarily <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> being met. <a href="/wiki/User:Conyo14" title="User:Conyo14">Conyo14</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Conyo14" title="User talk:Conyo14">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Conyo14-20241111035300-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Comment — I have yet to see an argument to support this article that does not already note that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTALBALL">WP:CRYSTALBALL</a> mentions this article, which should not be treated as gospel when the intent of CRYSTALBALL goes against this article, or does not run afoul of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF">WP:OTHERSTUFF</a>. I would love to hear an argument that is not either of those two invalidated points. Editors who are supporting keeping this article should read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOPAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOPAGE">WP:NOPAGE</a>, which states <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Sometimes, when information about a future event is scarce, coverage may instead be better suited to a larger encompassing article (see also Wikipedia:CRYSTAL).</q> There is no information about this election other than it will occur, that it will involve the Electoral College, and that there are some states that might vote one way. If that is the criteria for an election article, I'll start working on <a href="/w/index.php?title=2032_United_States_presidential_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2032 United States presidential election (page does not exist)">2032 United States presidential election</a> immediately—or, the next fifteen election articles, should time permit. An article should not exist because it is notable. If there is no coverage on a future event, it should not have an article. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241111045500-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>There is a standard followed near-universally on Wikipedia that information about the next election (regardless of country, election type, etc) is considered to be worthy of an article. I don't know if it is formally written down anywhere but if not, it probably should be formalized as a guideline to hopefully dissuade the proliferation of time-wasting AfD nominations like this one. <a href="/wiki/User:Chessrat" title="User:Chessrat">Chessrat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chessrat" title="User talk:Chessrat">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chessrat" title="Special:Contributions/Chessrat">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Chessrat-20241111053600-ElijahPepe-20241111045500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF">WP:OTHERSTUFF</a>. If there are equally-as-void articles about other future elections, some of which I am aware of, then those should also be sent to AfD until information emerges. Articles should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis, not because it is "standard" to write these articles even if it means including the opinions of random journalists. How does this address the point about this article having no information? Why is the next election important to note—when there is no information currently, might I reiterate—and not the next next election? The same amount of information exists about both topics, and both are notable. The point here is that topics, such as the one in question here, may not have information currently. Wikipedia should not have this article up until that changes, in the same sense that creating <a href="/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Jimmy_Carter&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Death of Jimmy Carter (page does not exist)">Death of Jimmy Carter</a> might be premature though notable—despite the fact that there is more information about preparations for his death than there are for the next election.</dd> <dd>As an AMPOL editor, I'm well-aware of what sources are currently stating, but I was struggling to find pertinent articles to support my userspace draft of this article save for an affirmation that Trump would not run again that is now self-evident. If there are a few headlines specifically containing the year "2028" about the presidential election, beyond the passive inquisition "Here's who might be running in 2028", then an article would be suited. Presently, that does not appear to be the case. This is not an arbitrary standard—it is effectively <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. If an article is only supported by material that would otherwise violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORUM">WP:FORUM</a>, as speculative articles about who might be running in 2028 are, then it would be deleted without hesitation. No <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a> about the 2028 election exists, as far as I am aware. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241111061200-Chessrat-20241111053600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>> then those should also be sent to AfD until information emerges</dd> <dd>That has unfortunately happened many times. Every time the result is the same, the vast majority of users calling out whichever user made the nomination for wasting time and the AfD nomination quickly being closed. This is why there's probably a need to draw up an actual policy on this to stop it happening in future. <a href="/wiki/User:Chessrat" title="User:Chessrat">Chessrat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chessrat" title="User talk:Chessrat">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chessrat" title="Special:Contributions/Chessrat">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Chessrat-20241111093800-ElijahPepe-20241111061200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This is not a time-wasting exercise, valid points are just not being shared. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241111152600-Chessrat-20241111093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>It's just an internet encyclopedia, a website.</dd> <dd>It's notable, its presumed notable, we have precedent supporting it, it's causing zero disruption by existing.</dd> <dd>The community doesn't want it deleted, and quoted a policy with their reasoning. Why not edit elsewhere? <a href="/wiki/User:DarmaniLink" title="User:DarmaniLink">DarmaniLink</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DarmaniLink" title="User talk:DarmaniLink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-DarmaniLink-20241111131700-ElijahPepe-20241111061200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Arguably, that is not true. When the article about the 2020 election <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/987734518" title="Special:Diff/987734518">was moved</a> to mainspace almost four years ago to the day, there were plenty of candidates there who had no realistic chance of running, e.g. Meghan Markle, the Trump brothers, and Mark Cuban. This article is in a better shape than that one was, but there are still speculation issues, namely with the prospects of a senator-elect, Ruben Gallego, running for president. "It's causing zero disruption by existing" is not an argument, nor is stating that editors have quoted policies—erroneously, I might add. Again, this does not address any of what I said last night. Assuming that the speculation was removed, what would be left is duplicative content. If this article isn't deleted, what does that set a standard for? As long as an event is notable it deserves to be an article? If that is consensus, it seems only justified that editors should get to work creating the next twenty election articles in mainspace. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElijahPepe" title="User talk:ElijahPepe">elijahpepe@wikipedia</a> (he/him) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-ElijahPepe-20241111152600-DarmaniLink-20241111131700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I'll start working on <a href="/w/index.php?title=2032_United_States_presidential_election&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2032 United States presidential election (page does not exist)">2032 United States presidential election</a> immediately—or, the next fifteen election articles, should time permit.</q> -- I don't like to expose users, but this is so close to the reason why you've been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1171#c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241108183900-Elijah_Pepe's_article_creation" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1171">topic-banned from creating new articles</a> 3 days ago, I cannot let this stand uncommented. I'm sorry. <a href="/wiki/User:Renerpho" title="User:Renerpho">Renerpho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renerpho" title="User talk:Renerpho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Renerpho-20241111112300-ElijahPepe-20241111045500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Keep: per past precedent and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> which allows articles on next election. But also having a list of potential candidates (where none have announced their candidacy yet) is purely speculative and violates the spirit of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a>. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Therefore, potential candidates section must be eliminated and only factual information be preserved. —<a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom" title="User:CX Zoom">CX Zoom</a>[he/him] (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CX_Zoom" title="User talk:CX Zoom">let's talk</a> • {<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CX_Zoom" title="Special:Contributions/CX Zoom">C</a>•<a href="/wiki/User:CX_Zoom/X" title="User:CX Zoom/X">X</a>}) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-CX_Zoom-20241111131100-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li> <li>Keep: likewise, we don't know for sure if <a href="/wiki/2028_Summer_Olympics" title="2028 Summer Olympics">2028 Summer Olympics</a> will indeed take place, but no one suggests that Wikipedia must not have the article on them. This election is something that is very likely to happen and will soon gain context. If for some reason it won't happen, this alone would be a reason to keep the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Trepang2" title="User:Trepang2">Trepang2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trepang2" title="User talk:Trepang2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2028_United_States_presidential_election_(3rd_nomination)#c-Trepang2-20241111140000-Lktm87-20241110042700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <dl><dd>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. 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