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Sections may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span> when more than 4 sections are present.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-November_2024-20241123193700","replies":["c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"],"text":"November 2024","linkableTitle":"November 2024"}--><h2 id="November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2024-20241123193700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2024-20241123193700"></span>November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2024-20241123193700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-November_2024-20241123193700","replies":["c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","timestamp":"20241127231700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-November_2024-20241123193700","replies":["c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"],"text":"November 2024","linkableTitle":"November 2024"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"></span>Hello Mr. Ollie! </p><p>I seen that you removed my added text from the article <a href="/wiki/Smoothie_King" title="Smoothie King">"Smoothie King"</a> for the reason of not encompassing a neutral point of view. I'm not looking to conflict with your reasoning, but from the actions you've taken on my edits, I will take your feedback into consideration and revise my changes! To avoid this in the future from other editors, if not yourself, any recommendations you don't mind giving to a neophyte, such as myself, for editing articles on Wikipedia? I have a definitive understanding for some of the required principles (sources, respectable tone, research) for editing on Wikipedia, but now is when I am actually applying them, hoping to avoid extremities! Thanks Mr. Ollie! </p><p><i>~~~~</i>Kelly Carolinian <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kelly_Carolinian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kelly Carolinian (page does not exist)">Kelly Carolinian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kelly_Carolinian" title="User talk:Kelly Carolinian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123193700","author":"Kelly Carolinian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700-November_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span>My recommendation is to use only independent, secondary sources. Don't use press releases or press-release <a href="/wiki/Churnalism" title="Churnalism">churnalism</a> articles, and particularly do not import wording from press releases into Wikipedia. When you start with promotional sources you are going to end up with promotional results, and that doesn't meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123194200","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span></dd> <dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span>Strikethrough</s> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/201.227.221.154" title="Special:Contributions/201.227.221.154">201.227.221.154</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:201.227.221.154&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:201.227.221.154 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127231700","author":"201.227.221.154","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700","replies":["c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"],"text":"Do not spread misinformation","linkableTitle":"Do not spread misinformation"}--><h2 id="Do_not_spread_misinformation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700"></span>Do not spread misinformation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Do not spread misinformation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700","replies":["c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900","timestamp":"20241129022300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Do_not_spread_misinformation-20241128044700","replies":["c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"],"text":"Do not spread misinformation","linkableTitle":"Do not spread misinformation"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"></span>Chris Messina was not the first person to apply usage of a hashtag on the Twitter platform, I cited the source which was Sylvain Carle in Montreal, Canada from his Twitter account. If you don't like my change, at least <a href="/wiki/Hashtag" title="Hashtag">remove that Chris Messina used the first hashtag on Twitter, which is completely FALSE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Perspicaciousonion" title="User:Perspicaciousonion">Perspicaciousonion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perspicaciousonion" title="User talk:Perspicaciousonion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128044700","author":"Perspicaciousonion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700"></span>You added a link to a search, which is not a usable citation on Wikipedia, and which doesn't actually show what you seem to think it shows - not unusual, since twitter search links are notoriously unreliable and show different results for different users. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128132000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700","replies":["c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000"></span>So which source do you think is most reliable to disprove that he did not in fact, send out the first hashtag onto that platform? <a href="/wiki/User:Perspicaciousonion" title="User:Perspicaciousonion">Perspicaciousonion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perspicaciousonion" title="User talk:Perspicaciousonion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128161900","author":"Perspicaciousonion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900"></span>This is a well researched topic, I would expect you can find something like a peer-reviewed article or a book on the history of computing or social media. Also have a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, which explains sourcing standards for Wikipedia articles. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: hey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kafudoariri-20241201083100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-hey-20241201083100","replies":["c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey","timestamp":"20241201083100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kafudoariri-20241201083100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-hey-20241201083100","replies":["c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey"],"text":"hey","linkableTitle":"hey"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey"></span>gREAT TO SEE YOU </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kafudoariri&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kafudoariri (page does not exist)">Kafudoariri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kafudoariri" title="User talk:Kafudoariri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201083100","author":"Kafudoariri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC-20241201222400","replies":["c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC"],"text":"Relisting Polyvagal Theory RfC","linkableTitle":"Relisting Polyvagal Theory RfC"}--><h2 id="Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC-20241201222400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC-20241201222400"></span>Relisting <a href="/wiki/Talk:Polyvagal_theory#Lead_of_Polyvagal_Theory" title="Talk:Polyvagal theory"> Polyvagal Theory</a> RfC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC-20241201222400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC-20241201222400","replies":["c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC"],"text":"Relisting Polyvagal Theory RfC","linkableTitle":"Relisting Polyvagal Theory RfC"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC"></span>I began this <a href="/wiki/Talk:Polyvagal_theory#Lead_of_Polyvagal_Theory" title="Talk:Polyvagal theory">RfC</a> on 6/14/24: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polyvagal_theory&diff=prev&oldid=1229062847">[1]</a> The RfC template was removed by bot on 7/1/24: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polyvagal_theory&diff=next&oldid=1234254965">[2]</a>. I attempted to restart the RfC on 7/25/24 in hope of drawing more participants to the discussion but I put the code in the wrong spot, and the RfC template never appeared:<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polyvagal_theory&diff=prev&oldid=1236590841#Lead_of_Polyvagal_Theory">[3]</a>. So it wasn’t actually restarted. I have also checked the all RfCs page and could not find this one listed. When I noticed, I fixed the placement of the code on 8/23/24 - restarting the RfC for the first time: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polyvagal_theory&diff=next&oldid=1236590841">[4]</a>. Eleven minutes later, you reverted my action, effectively stymieing further participation. Your rationale was: “nope, we don't keep relisting these indefinately.(sic)” <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Polyvagal_theory&diff=next&oldid=1236590841">[5]</a>. So, this RfC has never been relisted, not even once. I therefore wish to relist it, but before doing so, I wanted to explain the circumstances and be sure you were not going to revert it again. . </p><p>By the way, even if it was relisted once, it has now been 4 months since then. According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC</a>, discussions can relisted so long as they aren’t closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Restarting_an_RfC" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment">Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Restarting an RfC</a>. There is no policy prohibiting more than one relisting. </p><p>Please let me know if you intend to delete the relisting again, in which case I would rather discuss it here first. <a href="/wiki/User:Ian_Oelsner" title="User:Ian Oelsner">Ian Oelsner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ian_Oelsner" title="User talk:Ian Oelsner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201222400","author":"Ian Oelsner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400"></span>Ian, you did in fact relist the RFC once. You then relisted it again a month later - RFCs are not meant to be relisted again and again - this is not something you can keep open until you get the result you want. Even relisting it once was inappropriate, given your COI. It is time to stop starting RFCs over and over, and then relisting RFCs over and over. That is an abuse of the process. Instead, it is time to accept that the Wikipedia article will not be what you or your employer would like it to be. I definitely will revert if you continue to try to relist the RFC. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202004500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400"></span></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐ext.codfw.main‐8574fdc5fd‐rzjbt Cached time: 20241203144640 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.016 seconds CPU time usage: 0.111 seconds Real time usage: 0.160 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 568/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 10255/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 362/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 15/100 Expensive parser function count: 18/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 2179/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.025/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 1391868/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 112.073 1 -total 83.25% 93.297 1 Template:Archives 32.91% 36.881 9 Template:Th/abp 18.83% 21.104 9 Template:HasTemplate 16.60% 18.600 2 Template:Talk_other 16.43% 18.413 1 Template:Archive_list 14.04% 15.737 1 User:MiszaBot/config 7.76% 8.697 5 Template:Tmpv 5.71% 6.400 1 Template:If_empty 2.56% 2.868 1 Template:User_talk --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:19389694:|#|:idhash:canonical and timestamp 20241203144640 and revision id 1260959818. 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