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href="/wiki/Help:IPA/English" title="Help:IPA/English">/<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted"><span title="/ˈ/: primary stress follows">ˈ</span><span title="&#39;m&#39; in &#39;my&#39;">m</span><span title="/aɪ/: &#39;i&#39; in &#39;tide&#39;">aɪ</span><span title="&#39;s&#39; in &#39;sigh&#39;">s</span><span title="/ən/: &#39;on&#39; in &#39;button&#39;">ən</span></span>,<span class="wrap"> </span><span style="border-bottom:1px dotted"><span title="/ˈ/: primary stress follows">ˈ</span><span title="&#39;m&#39; in &#39;my&#39;">m</span><span title="/aɪ/: &#39;i&#39; in &#39;tide&#39;">aɪ</span><span title="&#39;s&#39; in &#39;sigh&#39;">s</span><span title="/ɒ/: &#39;o&#39; in &#39;body&#39;">ɒ</span><span title="&#39;n&#39; in &#39;nigh&#39;">n</span></span>/</a></span></span>; <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248666159">.mw-parser-output .tfd-dated{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .tfd-default{border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);clear:both;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .tfd-tiny{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .tfd-inline{border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1)}.mw-parser-output .tfd-sidebar{border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);text-align:center;position:relative}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .tfd-sidebar{clear:right;float:right;width:22em}}</style><span class="tfd tfd-dated tfd-tiny"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_12#Template:Lang-grc-gre" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 12">‹See Tfd›</a></span><a href="/wiki/Greek_language" title="Greek language">Greek</a>: <span title="Ancient Greek (to 1453)-language text"><span lang="grc">Μύσων ὁ Χηνεύς</span></span>; fl. 6th-century BC), also called "of Chen", was, according to <a href="/wiki/Plato" title="Plato">Plato</a>, one of the <a href="/wiki/Seven_Sages_of_Greece" title="Seven Sages of Greece">Seven Sages of Greece</a>. He is not to be confused with the Myson of 5th-century Athens who ran a pottery and inspired, and taught, many of the Mannerists including the <a href="/wiki/Pan_Painter" title="Pan Painter">Pan Painter</a>. </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Biography">Biography</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Myson_of_Chenae&amp;action=edit&amp;section=1" title="Edit section: Biography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>According to <a href="/wiki/Sosicrates" title="Sosicrates">Sosicrates</a>, who quoted <a href="/wiki/Hermippus_of_Smyrna" title="Hermippus of Smyrna">Hermippus</a>, Myson was the son of Strymon, a tyrant of his country.<sup id="cite_ref-Laërtius_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Laërtius-1"><span class="cite-bracket">&#91;</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">&#93;</span></a></sup> All sources agree that Myson was a plain farmer, though they differ as to his place of birth and residence. He is said to have lived in the village of Chen, though this is variously located in <a href="/wiki/Laconia" title="Laconia">Laconia</a> or <a href="/wiki/Crete" title="Crete">Crete</a>. 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Translated by <a href="/wiki/Robert_Drew_Hicks" title="Robert Drew Hicks">Robert Drew Hicks</a>. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. Volume 1. 1982. Page 113</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-2">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text">Diogenes Laërtius 1.106-108; see also <a href="/wiki/James_Adam_(classicist)" title="James Adam (classicist)">James Adam</a>, <i>Platonis Protagoras</i>, page 159. 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